In September, 1970, Osho began initiating seekers into what he callled Neo sannyas. He did this according to those around him after some cogitation. Laxmi, his personal assistant at the time, had offered the idea, but Osho took three days to decide whether it was a good one. (Seems somehow unlike him! )
Sannyas is an ancient tradition in India, but a foreign idea in the west. The word is not Hindu, but from Sanskrit. It means literally ‘Laying ti all down”. Osho’s concept of Neo sannyas, was arguably quite different, though one would feel that “command” of “laying it all down” was certainly part of it as experienced by many Pune one sannyasins, and maybe later ones too.
Some have argued that Osho owed some of his thinking around neo sannyas to Gurdjieff’s fourth way – basically the way of a spiritual householder. That is not leaving the family and heading for the hills and living in some shack devoted to God, but continuing in the world, doing one’s job, and caring for one’s family - but pursuing spiritual life at the same time. Certainly one had the feeling in the early days that whilst “renunciation” was not part of the Osho package this idea was not that relevant. Many did “give up” their lives as they had previously lived and experienced them, and whilst not heading for the Himalayas, left family and the normal sources of sustenance behind, and threw themselves on the wings of God. The spirit was really of exploration and leaving the past behind.
There would seem a discussion lurking here that has been unexplored. Our feeling at SN is that Osho’s sannyas, apart from the sexual renunciations of traditional sannyas, was actually more aligned in practice to the old sannyas that might have seemed the case from those devoted to the fourth way… ..
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Q: SIMPLY AND BRIEFLY: IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU CAN HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS TO BE A SANNYASIN? I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE: MOST PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH CHRISTIANITY AND CHRISTIANS. THEY BELIEVE THAT CHRIST IS THE SAVIOR, THE MESSIAH. CHRISTIANS TRY TO LIVE THEIR LIVES ACCORDING TO A CERTAIN SET OF STANDARDS. CAN YOU GIVE ME SOMETHING BRIEF LIKE THAT FOR HOW SANNYASINS LIVE?
A: I don’t have anything like that. I don’t have any catechism, any dogma. I don’t offer any principles, any philosophy, any theology. My sannyasins live individual lives in freedom.
Q: SO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BAD SANNYASIN, LIKE THERE IS A BAD CHRISTIAN,
OR…?
A: No. There is no good sannyasin, there is no bad sannyasin; there are only sannyasins. Good and bad are ugly words and I have dissolved them completely. Here is no judgment. Everybody has to be responsiblefor himself, his freedom and whatsoever he wants to do with his life. So it is difficult for me, impossible, to explain to the outside people how a sannyasin is. The only way is to invite him to be here, live with the sannyasins, experience what they are going through. Taste it — their fragrance will be my explanation. The taste of being with the sannyasins is my theology. Those people will have to come to the well, the well does not go to the thirsty.
Q: SO, IF THERE IS NO GOOD AND BAD AND NO JUDGING, HOW DOES ONE KNOW IF HE IS IMPROVING? OR IS THERE EVEN A NEED TO IMPROVE? OR IS THAT UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL?
OKAY, AM I HAPPY WITH WHAT I AM DOING NOW, AM I HAPPY WITH THE LEVEL I AM AT NOW?
A: I do not teach that you have to become somebody other than what you are. No improvement is needed. No goal is there to be achieved. Whatever you need is already provided by existence each moment. It is up to you how to use it, or not to use it.
Osho.
The Last Testament, Vol 1
Chapter #8
Osho speaks on enlightened individuals and mistakes:
Bodhidharma is more clear and transparent than any other enlightened person. But the experience of enlightenment is such that you can still commit mistakes. This is something to be understood. People ordinarily think that the man of enlightenment cannot commit mistakes. That is their expectation, but it is not true to reality.
The same has been the expectation of other religions, that their prophets cannot commit mistakes. Although the KORAN is full of mistakes, Mohammedans are not ready to accept that their prophet Mohammed can commit any mistake. THE BIBLE is so full of mistakes, but still the popes go on declaring for twenty centuries continuously that they are infallible. And their fallibility is so apparent.
Just as an example, Joan of Arc was declared a witch by the pope of that time. And the pope defined a witch — which is not the meaning of the word “witch” — as someone who has sexual intercourse with the devil. The meaning of the word “witch” is a wise woman. And it has always been the meaning up to the Middle Ages, when the popes started declaring wise women as being in the grip of the devil. It was easy; first they would torture those women to such an extent that it became unbearable. Day after day they were tortured.
Finally the woman had to accept that yes, she is a witch. That was the only way to stop her being tortured. And once she accepted and confessed that she was a witch, she had to go to the court — a special court appointed by the pope — to declare that she has been having intercourse with the devil, which is sheer nonsense, because never before had it been known, and never afterwards — nobody has seen the devil. And these poor women were having intercourse with the devil, and they had to describe the whole ugly thing in every detail. And once they confessed, the court ordered them to be burned alive. Thousands of women in Europe were in danger and thousands had already been burned alive.
Joan of Arc fought for the freedom of her country. She was a young woman of tremendous courage and she won freedom for the country. Hence, there was immense respect for Joan of Arc. And the jealous pope could not allow Joan of Arc to be left alone. It became a competition — who is more respectable, Joan of Arc or the pope. The easiest way was to declare her a witch. He declared her a witch and they tortured the poor young woman until finally she had to accept. There was no way out and she was burned alive.
But this created a very different result than that expected by the pope. He fell more in people’s eyes, and Joan of Arc became a martyr. She was loved more, she gained more sympathy. People almost started worshiping her. So after three hundred years another pope realized that it had been a mistake on the part of the previous pope. He had unnecessarily created a martyr; he should have been more careful. It was easy to destroy ordinary women but to destroy a woman like Joan of Arc …he had not been cautious enough.
After three hundred years, another pope declared that Joan of Arc was not a witch, she was a saint, and her bones were dragged out of the grave and worshiped. A great memorial was made, because now she had become “Saint Joan of Arc.” You can see, at least one of the popes was fallible — most probably both. But one thing is certain: both cannot be right. And the popes are not enlightened people; they know nothing of enlightenment.
The East has been very concerned for ten thousand years with the phenomenon of enlightenment. It certainly brings you great light, great clarity, great ecstasy and the feeling of immortality. But even though it brings so much, existence is so vast that your enlightenment is just a dewdrop in the ocean of existence. However transparent and clear your understanding may be, there is always a possibility to commit mistakes. And this has been recognized by the East.
Even Gautam Buddha is reported to have said that existence is so vast, so infinite in all dimensions, that even an enlightened man may commit mistakes. This is true religiousness and humbleness
Osho.
Bodhidharma: The Greatest Zen Master
Chapter #9
Chapter title: Dead men don’t bleed
Osho:
“However transparent and clear your understanding may be, there is always a possibility to commit mistakes. And this has been recognized by the East.”
It reminds me of something I have read from him recently when he’s saying that there are all the other paths to lead one astray, but only one that leads to the truth.
That path is the path that leads inwards. As long as the inquiry is within there can be no mistakes
I concur BV, though there is always room for ‘mistakes’ and infinite variation.
I wouldn’t say the koran is full of mistakes, but IS a mistake. The judgemental hate-filled ramblings of a psychotic, apart from the odd cherry-picked phrase to make it look like sufi mysticism. The old testament is an obscenity and the new a son of god revisionist fantasy. At least in India, these guys would have been just one amongst thousands of other nutjobs.
‘Some have argued that Osho owed some of his thinking around neo sannyas to Gurdjieff’s fourth way – basically the way of a spiritual householder.’
Some can argue until the holy cows come home, but the fact of the matter is that the concept of spiritual householder existed centuries before Mr G developed a taste for cognac and cigars and I’m sure Osho was very aware of this. Osho must have been also very aware that if you let people indulge in promiscous behaviour and call it spiritual it is going to be popular. He was right.
‘Our feeling at SN is that Osho’s sannyas, apart from the sexual renunciations of traditional sannyas, was actually more aligned in practice to the old sannyas that might have seemed the case from those devoted to the fourth way.’
Osho’s sannyas had nothing at all to do with the traditional sannyas that has existed in the East since Buddha’s time and to suggest it does is ridiculous. Osho caused an outrage in India by dressing his sannyasins up in orange garb, which I am sure was intentional. It was a great advertisment to draw attention to his cause…a masterstroke, one might say. To draw all these exoteric parallelels is bullshit. Laxmi and Bhagwan cooked the essence of neo-sannyas up between them and once the ball got rolling played it by ear. It was brilliant in its time and just what the doctor ordered for the survivors of the sunken ship ‘Hippy Dream’etc . What was once cutting edge is now old hat. I daresay that for beginners the sannyas approach can be beneficial. Yesterday I reccommended a young seeker to visit the resort and participate in Mystic Rose and do Dynamic etc.
‘Our feeling at SN is that Osho’s etc’. This is Oshospeak in the sense that having a feeling about something is vewed as being more relevant that what rational thought can produce. As time has shown following one’s feelings can often be a mistake and can short-circuit one’s critical faculties. Hence we have scenarios like the ranch developing and the sheep saying bah bah, its all a device for our awakening. Ultimately it perhaps is but I can still hear their mindless bleating in the distance and they have not awakened to anything much, except perhaps that they are growing older and prefer to live the old sannyas creedo in their heads than apply it to their lives. Time to move on. What may have been useful yesterday might well be obsolete today. Osho’s sannyas was a device that served its purpose in its time.
Teenagers.
Always so certain about everything.
Whoops!
Your not a teenager though.
Mid sixties. Hmm!!!
Perhaps there are no “bad sannyasins” (or even bad Masters), but there are clearly some very naughty ones!
Arpana, I daresay the authorities at the old folks home are happy to see you engaged in your copy and paste hobby. Just keep your nose out of the glue pot while you are at it, or you’ll end up like Shantypants…you know, saying stuff nobody understands.
Teenagers.
Yur so reactive and not at all predictable.
Arps, predictability is more your department, so run along and search for a relevant Osho quote because nothing you come up with has anything much original to deliver…you need the old man as a crutch.
Lazarus! Get up and walk.
I appear to have rattled your cage!!!
LMAO
Don’t kid yourself.
Lokesh says:
>> ‘Some have argued that Osho owed some of his thinking around neo sannyas to Gurdjieff’s fourth way – basically the way of a spiritual householder.’
The fourth way was a combination of the other three ways (of the physical, mental, and emotional paths) … a point do not lessen the achievement of any one (and all) by stating that they can be achieved in the marketplace by a householder. Most have trouble with just one.
BV, I was quoting from the original thread.
One wonders… So Laxmi cooked up the idea. She got a bit sidelined didn’t she? Anyways, neo-sannyas (no rules, no goals) vs trad. sannyas (lots of rules & goals…purify purify purify oommm). As it turned out there were plenty of rules, hidden agendas, shadow sides lurking under the rebel freedom banner. The Boss may be wrong or gone fishing but he’s still the boss. Yes the freedom to do as you’re told, aka surrender.
Nonetheless I think or rather, our feeling at DN (domnews) is that for all the broken dreams, our man was offering something new that continues to influence the zeitgeist and the evolution of the whole transformation, healing, awakening model etc. The elements that made up sannyas were already there but mixed up and developed into a heady brew, that had not been seen before (I’m guessing).
Without Osho many of us might have remained serious buddhists, holy hinduists (yoga, tm, et al), romantic sufis, born again non-dualists etc. Sweeping generalisation but zorba the buddha was a big 2.0 update on all previous images of what spirituality ought to look like. I’m sure some pundits here will prove me wrong with some other dionysian tantric path note worthies.
But what does neo-sannyas mean? Surely that depends on the individual.
The right to party, be “promiscuous” and get laid (if lucky), meditate, a cool place to hang out, reach for the stars, make money, abuse people, feel special, feel rich in a poor country (instead of poor in a rich country), join a club and have an instant community, maintain a healthy quota of hugs, not have to cook and wash up anymore (ash bliss!)… Lots of enlivenment, oh yes and that other word that sounds similar… en… something or other.
Recently I was at the osholeela festival in dorset. At the end there was a sannyas celebration, remember those… I certainly enjoyed the music, the silence and the hearty atmosphere and it was miiiles better (judgement alert) than the last one I had attended in poona 3… so sad. What it was all about or what it meant to people, I have no idea! Perhaps it’s just “Right now, right here I belong. Feels like home, this energy. Whoop dee doo!”. I certainly enjoyed my time there and still very at home with the osho buddhafield vibe and friends.
Sannyas seems to me to have morphed into a personal choice rather than a badge of identity. Certainly talking to people, most were all or had been actively involved in other adventures and paths. Some were there for the first time. To me there was little sense of inclusion/exclusion that had previously been a feature of sannyas. Just a motley band of crazies who jived with a certain hearty celebrating creative goforit vibe that you’d be hard pushed to find all together in one place. Where else could you wake up and have an option on doing dynamic meditation, yoga, self-enquiry, aum, vipassana, biodanza, theatre improv, cuddle sessions, boogie nights etc etc?
I had to do a short couple of work shifts which I was thinking ‘what an imposition on my “freedom” that was going to be !’. But I’ve never seen people have more fun while cleaning up a kitchen!
Ultimately I have no idea what sannyas means, it’s just a word, as undefinable as you know that en.. word thingy. I have no desire for a uniform or mala or to be called Ramadamadingdong but for someone else who knows.
Perhaps, call me a dreamer, but like the great indescribable mysterious one, it’s a feel thing, call of the heart, homecoming to yourSelf, by yourSelf for yourSelf.
Great post El Dom.
Good to hear a bit of insight based on experience, as apposed to high brow and low brow parroted nonsense.
‘I had to do a short couple of work shifts which I was thinking ‘what an imposition on my “freedom” that was going to be !’. But I’ve never seen people have more fun while cleaning up a kitchen!’
Some of the most enjoyable times in my life have been when involved with a group performing fairly mundane tasks, like helping people move to a new place, cleaning up a shit hole prior to putting on an event.
Yes, Dom, I can relate to that. Good post.
Just talking to a successful DJ the other night who took his inspiration from a Zorba night a few years back in Amsterdam. This is the kind of crowd I want to play for, he thought. Blew his mind when I told him how I, my wife and one of my mates built the Caravanserai disco in Poona one and in the process became the first independent discotheque that Osho officially sanctioned. The rest is history.
I’m still a DJ today and, in a funny kind of way, when I am doing my own gigs, I’m still playing to the same crowd I’ve always been playing for, which does not mean they are all in wheelchairs with grey hair.
Respect.
I see what you’re saying, I think. In your heart you’re still channelling that vibe of ecstatic celebration and let-go.
Osholeela had an an afro-latin theme this year, with live bands followed by great discos, djs, laser lights every night.
Great fun, it’s been a while. Seeing people letting go, getting out of their heads without getting off their heads, and enjoying themselves in a safe atmosphere is nataraj-tastic and a beautiful thang…
I think women are the best dancers so it was nice to be complemented on my moves by one. Though she was 60 and not the 20/30 yr old I had hoped for. Good to see the old hormones are still working anyway…
According to the DJ I talked to the old sannyas dance ethic is undergoing a renaissance. For the past two years I’ve been looking for a warehouse or old club on Ibiza to set the stage. What I need is an investor with a couple of million to invest. Double his or her investmnent in the first year. Does anyone know if the barefoot boogie still goes on near Archway in London. Any news on the alternative dance scene.
I’d like to ask all you neo-sannyasins what it is that you have renounced in the name of it all?
me,I`ve renounced renunciation.
mines a pint,2 Es and a packet of pork scratchings please,love.ta.
If you’d really renounced you wouldn’t need to announce
that to anyone.
Here’s a link for Tantric trance dance, run by a sannyas son, I might go to tomorrow with live music, mentioned by Parmartha.
I think barefoot boogie stopped but there are surely other similar events, as well as the usual 5 rhythms and biodanza.
http://www.meetup.com/london-ecstatic-dance/events/131940782/
I suspect that’s a trick question Lokeshji, nothing to renounce. Because I know that you know that I know that we all know that it’s all purrrfect, just the way it is, including shantypants and yes… hard as it seems, dhyan “the rage” raj and brian and…. You having a laugh God??
I am ‘trying’ to renounce mean postings…
“Though she was 60 and not the 20/30 yr old I had hoped for. Good to see the old hormones are still working anyway….”
Now that’s what I call an honest comment!
None of that ‘You can’t always get what you want, but you might find you get what you need’ claptrap….
Sannyas and Gurdjieff?
Yes, they fit like fish on the bicycle!
Sannyas is such a foreign idea for the west that it needs alpha males from the west to spread it in the east!
Shantypants has obviously renounced communicating in any coherant language. Is this a technique devised for exploring his aloneness?
ED: SOME EDITING HERE.
Shantypants has such foreign ideas. Is he alpha male, half a male, alfalfa male or just plain oops-ilon madderthanaboxoffrogs gone!
I think we need a cartoon caption competition for the photo at the top.
“C’mon eat up, fingerlicking good isn’t it ?”
(Osho thinking) “This is so humiliating.”
700 years in a freezing basement in Tibet ,just for this…?
man,those western snow bunnies need to start arriving, pronto…
Osho in a rare moment lost for words…
Before dating Vivek, he would spend hours having fun with Mrs Gandhi…
“Good boy! Now stick your tongue out while I rub it, just the way you like.”
>> (Osho thinking) “This is so humiliating.”
Just shows how little you understand the Indian mentality Dom …
I bow to your wiser and current experience BV.
I guess I should have written …
“This feels gooood!”, “Because I’m worth it!”,
“Jai Infantilism!” or some such.
He loved being fumbled and having the piss taken out of him … (or was it a device?)
http://www.satrakshita.be/images/AcharyaRajneesh7.jpg
Cute early photo op BV with swami(gee)ji, looking noble. Prefer these to all the gucci sunglasses, rollers and star wars emperor’s clothes.
From today’s Daily Mail:
England footballer regrets taking laughing gas: “Manager set bad example!”
The Sunday Mirror stated the Tottenham right-back had inhaled nitrous oxide when out with friends over the summer, alongside photographs of Walker breathing out of a black balloon.
The 23-year-old, who played for England against Moldova on Friday and is in the squad to face Ukraine on Tuesday, wrote on his official Twitter page: “Apologies for not commenting sooner on a story about me today. I’ve been training and am focused on Tuesday’s game for England.
“I recently took sannyas and had been impressed by my Manager’s experiences while on the drug. Now I know the health risks, it was poor judgement on my part.”
“I won’t be doing this again and hope that no one else is influenced into putting their health at risk by my or my Manager’s actions.”
Young sannyas footballer on hippie crack? That’s ballooney!
Unusual pic. Was pre neo sannyas and says something. The informality of the teacher and friend. Maybe formal sannyas missed this.
Sannyas is that wonderland where every citizen can print his own currency and trade it in the world markets.
How to check such currency is fake or real?
Simple, look for Osho´ hologram photo.
dominic says:
6 September, 2013 at 7:02 pm
UGLY
When I brought sannyas to my family, as the first witness of it to them early in the 80′s of Osho and my Pune experiences, I meant it.
I had to make huge efforts by living away from my mother’s home to live the truth of vulnerability with equals and be accountable for my responses and perceptions. It was and is great being able to have a singularity of identity and remain genuinely informed by that experience of actually being around Osho in his Ashram. Some people talk about things by presumption. They even refuse to account for themselves and refuse exchange or intervention at the ancient family home even conversationally, despite alluding to all sorts of spirituality and fraternity elsewhere. Claiming peace and quiet as a substitute. Theirs not yours.
Families can be the cess pit of the investigation. Some people hardly face up to it.
Relationships with women also informed my evolution. Living with women outside the maternal family home, or even at all, (and not just having them as visitors ) living in full relationships, under shared roofs, with the variety and range of emotive interactions that brought and the susceptibilities of it , for a lifetime , was definitely a challenge. But it definitely lacked the control and isolated protectionism of merely visiting and borrowing other people’s lives from a safe maternal refuge.And never committing to them. My own mother was so desperate for having her sons and daughter fulfil her meaning in life that she would even expect to remain unaccountable for the oedipus complex she avoided to address, despite investing heavily in her needs through the only ones she knew. One tended to overlook her desperation in some sort of permissive allowance, or offering residual and very late in coming ,opportunities for intimacy or… by clamming up and ignoring her like others did , despite being closest to her. It did nothing to build mutual trust between siblings. Our sister even died of cancer without a single word or stroke being shared between the remaining brothers.
That’s why I love sannyas because I noticed I had balls and could use them when necessary.
Sounds like the extended definition of “Loneliness”,
Osho often said to people in Poona one, go back, sell all your stuff, finish your affairs at home, and come back here and live in the buddhafield. I see such an invitation as being quite close to some aspect of traditional sannyas. leaving the home, and hitting the road.
I am reminded of Nicodemus, a sincere seeker, who came to Jesus before dawn. A similar request made of him as Osho made of some of us, go and sell all that thous hast, and come and be with me…. … Like many Nicodemus could not give such possessions up, for he was a rich man.
I remember leaving darshans in Poona one when friends of mine were terrified of such a request or suggestion from Osho, and even got sick such that they did not attend the darshan!
Came to sannyas with the idea, before meeting Bhagwan, that I should give everything away, and set out to do that, freaking myself out eventually, big time; then opened the second of his books I read, on the day of acquisition, and he said, ‘I am not asking you to give up your possessions, give up the ego that goes with the possessions’, so that was me of the hook.
However, four years later, did give virtually everything away, of my own volition; went to London, started again and have never looked back
Each had his (or hers) measurement of distance that they needed to be from Him and if in doubt He would have told them … a bit like in a cinema where everybody sees the same film no matter where they sit … and the best seats are not always the ones at the front (which are generally occupied by children, more preoccupied with each other, than watching the show).
A Sunday school teacher had just finished explaining about heaven. “Now,” she said, “hands up, all those children who want to go to heaven.”
All the children raised their hands except for little Hymie in the front row. “Don’t you want to go to
heaven, Hymie?” asked the teacher.
“I can’t,” said Hymie tearfully, “my mother told me to come straight home.”
‘Each had his (or hers) measurement of distance that they needed to be from Him and if in doubt He would have told them’
Have no idea what you mean by this!!
Some needed to be physically and long-term close to Osho (for the transmission to take place) and some didn’t need to … and some others didn’t know how close they needed to be, and had to ask.
Oh ok.
I began to tune into your drift after I asked you.
I’ll go along with that.
When I entered sanyas life , I thought I had renounced my biological connections , but when I came to live in Poona , I met a second cousin , Neerav in the ashram , whome I had met half a lifetime back when I was twelve , he is ten years older than me , I came to know that his wife & father were also ( Poona 1 ) sanyassins & that even his immediate family didn’t know of this , His father had worked for the Indian secret services , so I guess it wasn’t difficult for them to live in such a way . Now they live in a hamlet & have opened their place for meditation retreats to anyone who is interested , where they only facilitate for living & not any expertise on meditation .
Anyway this/that incident of meeting Neerav , made me realise I couldn’t avoid family even if I wanted to , my mother took sanyas after a year of mine & what a ride Sanyas is / has been !
More bizarre news from that most spiritual of countries.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/06/world/india-rape-charge-asaram-bapu/index.html?hpt=hp_t4
Seems he pissed off the authorities too, otherwise politicians and corrupt officials can be bought off. Did he do it? Who knows? But there’s a long and venerable lineage of Hindu holy men offering rape and molestation darshans. Is it just a case of a few bad apples or does it go with the the territory of religion and ‘renunciation’?
I would say the latter. The bigger the front , the bigger the back. No doubt this noble tradition has been going on for thousands of years.
Emphasising perfectionist ideals and renunciation will generate the opposite. It’s almost a law of physics that dark matter will be produced.
Osho had the right idea that awareness was the transformative solvent otherwise energies just remained stuck whatever the mind believed or willed and fantasised itself to be.
Put on a good theatrical show of being the holy embodiment of love and purity and offstage you’ll find a viper’s nest of predation and maltreatment of your underlings.
Every religion seems filled with hypocrisy. Lately we have romanticised the East, it’s traditions and Godmen/women, but really who can you trust?
That would be yourself I’m afraid and there are no shortcuts contrary to popular belief.
Once I happened to stop by at his discourse in Hyderabad. It was a pure rhetoric on Hindu scriptures and nothing more than that. Yes, there are “bad apples” and corruption in every field like Banks, Wall/Dalal street, poly/utics or any other business. Unfortunately, there are masses for everything and anything in India. Inspite of many positive things , there are certain negative things that are spoiling the whole atmosphere and pushing the nation into more poverty, inflation, rowdi-ism and so on. Hopefully there is a dawn soon after the long night. The night has been very long in fact. Close to 2000 years of invasions, oppression and loot from outsiders as well as insiders. Now I think finally the time has come for every down trodden to ask for equal facilities and comfort. That will continue to put lot of pressure on the system and hopefully it gets better.
Wonderful if India is able to remove what is continuing sucking it. The same face since Alexander the Great, over the British Empire and now the Banker G..g, keeps India fascinated. Guess, before this structure gives India free, it would rather destroy it. It is a limited War and Money structure what deceives humanity. Good to learn to identify the structure and their henchman. Getting rid of it is dangerous; the structure “owns” the whole material of the world. Pressure is their tool to keep people controlled. It makes the people surrender unto something even it is against them.
For me, Osho is from the first day a Rebel against the false. He made me clear that Intelligence without facts is oafishness and half knowledge is easy to entrap by lies. Osho’s Neo Sannyas combined Past, Presence and Future. Just Metaphorical: Strong is the help from realization if worlds in Harmony it makes the false obvious. That means for me: “the wheels running equal fast” and the heat is this heat of the oblation. Lay it all down… is our sacrifices.
Don’t know what you’re talking about P. Reminds me of the incomparable stanley unwin.
http://youtu.be/323kQis2zbM
Osho…”a Rebel against the false”. Seems in the end he needed to rebel against himself. The idea of ‘enlightenment’ as a cosmic sofa, where you have arrived, and can take your eye off the ball gets continually debunked.