Osho was asked once for his ten commandments.
Sannyasnews offers them up for discussion. Bear in mind that Numbers 3, 7, 9 & 10 were underlined by Osho in his original letter.
“You have asked for my Ten Commandments. It’s a difficult matter, because I am against any kind of commandment. Yet, just for the fun of it, I write:”
- Never obey anyone’s command unless it is coming from within you also.
- There is no God other than life itself.
- Truth is within you, do not search for it elsewhere.
- Love is prayer.
- To become a nothingness is the door to truth. Nothingness itself is the means, the goal and attainment.
- Life is now and here.
- Live wakefully.
- Do not swim – float.
- Die each moment so that you can be new each moment.
- Do not search. That which is, is. Stop and see.
Master said don´t follow any commandment from any body, so we follow our own ego!
>> 4. Love is prayer
I don’t get that one. To me ‘a prayer’ is a kind of ‘begging’.
According to wikipedia, “Prayer is an invocation or act that seeks to activate a rapport with a deity, an object of worship, or a spiritual entity through deliberate communication.”
So by saying that ‘Love is prayer’, it makes my love an imposition on you and there is definitely a law about that.
I agree with Shantam that there is only one commandment in sannyas and that is that there are no commandments.
Osho has actually referred to prayer as nagging.
(You know who you are, Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. )
”You have heard the story in Greek mythology of King Midas, who had been praying his whole life to God: “Just grant me one wish, that whatever I touch must turn into gold.” And it seems God became tired of his continuous nagging …because what are your prayers other than nagging?
And a poor God, and so many nagging people, and he has been nagged for millions of years — it is no wonder if he has disappeared or committed suicide or whatever has happened. Nobody can tolerate that much nagging.
Finally, God granted him the wish — “Whatever you touch will turn into gold. And now leave me at peace!”
Osho.
Bodhidharma: The Greatest Zen Master
Chapter #7
Chapter title: Get ready and claim your inheritance
BV- that type of “prayer” is the traditional prayer that organized religions teach people, and it starts when they are kids. Real prayer is not saying, asking, or begging for anything- just being thankful.
As many of the contributors of this site were building their meditation in the real world of survival and prosperity; Just for the sake of record, let me write, other than casually spoken ten commandments, which one can read on facebook, copied and pasted everyday by someone; Osho has given lengthy discourses on Basic Human Rights.
Osho was giving point to point response to the basic human right charter of United Nations.
Naturally, no group claiming to stand for Osho´s work will highlight that book anymore; as there is no moral authority left to preach.
I guess wandering around in the Sinai with his tribe and keeping some semblance of order for forty years, Moses needed some commandments.
Something like “Thou shalt not kill” was a good commandment and not just for him, but arguably for all time. Endlessly broken. Nation states do it all the time, and expect their citizens to do it.
I remember my uncle who was a Marine Sergeant Major in the Commandoes in the second world war saying there was something wrong about him having to shoot Germans, and it seems quite a lot, and it did not sit easy with him in his old age. I think he was clinically depressed and disturbed by it. Thank God for the Bertrand Russell’s of this world. Pacifism needs to spread like wild fire.
That Osho was a good Jain, we should not even kill flies unless our own survival is at stake. Almost everything can be achieved without killing, look at Gandhi’s achievement with non violent means in India. It was only after Indian independence that the killing started. Someone told me that commandment about not killing is also in the Koran. If so, my God, what on earth is happening round the planet with these Islamists?
If I was asked for just one commandment it would be “Thou shalt not kill” – even animals and insects, let alone human beings.
Parmartha, that I see different. Not Islamists… the materialist Priesthood succeeded again… putting themselves forward and makes forget facts of what is good.
Parmartha, I hardly think your uncle had any real choice though, did he? Just like all the other millions caught up in the war who simply had to do what they had to do. I hope his unease in old age wasn’t made worse by this commandment, because that would be another instance of a religious tenet ‘poisoning’ someone because it’s simply impractical to follow. But I suppose those guys in the Marines might have been involved in particularly nasty exchanges that would have left deep scars. No post-traumatic stress therapy in his day either.
But who’s to say whether we would kill or not given particular circumstances? If it came to saving my life or perhaps someone else’s then I can envisage killing. Also killing animals, either due to being attacked or needing to eat to survive.
Re insects, I recall Osho himself instructing someone plagued by mosquitoes to “release them from their bodies”!
As for the Islamists, well, I’ve heard some of them quoting the Koran to justify killing ‘enemies of Islam’, the same old self-serving fundamentalist nonsense found in all major religions. But I suppose even they might tend to regard this as a matter of their ‘survival’?
Come to think of it, isn’t this question of ‘survival’ the major key to the whole pathological scenario? Isn’t the drive to survive, as well as being a biological imperative, also powered by the equally insistent fear (conscious or otherwise) of being obliterated? Isn’t that why religions, ie priests, stress the promise of a ‘perfect after-life’, heaven and (for Islamist men anyway) all the virgins you can ever desire?
Not that any mere belief is going to do the trick, I guess it’s actually experiencing ‘immortality’ that counts.
Take away the fear of death and you might well virtually obliterate the major cause of human conflict. Then there’d be little or no need for any commandments, would there?
Easy, innit?!!
Thanks SD. My uncle volunteered for the Commandos as he told it, and was accepted after training. They did some tough things, like being dropped behind enemy lines at Arnham, etc. His own life was saved by Dutch people who sheltered British soldiers during that action, and he went to see them every year by way of thanking them for each year after the war. In old age he seemed to “think” more, and became a pacifist really, an option that he could have pursued in 1940.
I am a Jain really, just happened to be born into the English working class! All my aesthetic sense etc is into non killing, and I feel it defiles one’s karma. All these creatures and other men are manifestations of God in their own right, so why kill God unless it is absolutely necessary?
Actually the Old Boy described Gandhi as violent. Osho said Gandi’s fasts were violence against himself. And he said Gandhi used the threat of public violence should he die in a fast to manipulate the British. I think Osho blames Gandhi for the partition of India and associated violence.
Osho was not always against violence. See chapter 1 of ‘Krishna The man and his philosophy’ (available on the web.) He is critical of Russell there.
PS there were two different sets of Osho’s ‘Ten Commandments.’
Hi Alok,
why not post the second version of Osho’s commandments? I didn’t realise there were two versions.
I confess I dont know so much about Gandhi, so wont take you on there. However if you or I had murdered someone and lived in pre-1960 Britain we would have been hung, if caught. I never understood this, when clearly quite ordinary soldiers of all nation states, both then and now multiple murder each other without a thought and society heaps praise upon them…
Good point, Parmartha.
It reminds me of another strange thing in the affairs of the world, to me bordering on the absurd, where countries use all manner of so-called ‘conventional’ arms to terrorise and murder while urged to keep away from chemical weapons, as if these are the unacceptable face of war while the other types are considered perfectly normal, perhaps even ‘civilised’!
Absolutely, SD.
If the UN is to be believed, tens of thousands have perished in Syria, both combatants and civilians with the use of “conventional’ weapons that far outstrip those my uncle used at Arnham!
And who supplies these weapons…… even bigger nation states. Obabma could not have been more wrong when he made his red line over which either side should step.
It is killing itself which is wrong.
Well, yes, war is very big business for the arms manufacturers (and the scientists and technology experts who research and build the weapons). As highlighted around a century ago by Bernard Shaw in his famous play, ‘Major Barbara’.
Old GBS was a eugenicist and admirer of national socialism.
He also was a colleague of Swami Nirvan’s father WW1 air ace Cecil Lewis…(Nirvan’s maternal side great great grandfather was General Kutusov who was Russia’s most revered general and who battled old Naploeon himself) …the Cecil Lewis, who was co awarded the Academy Award Oscar for Pygmalion with Shaw in 1930 something, and the Lewis who co founded the BBC and then went on to meet Bennett (Gurdjieff disciple) in the Crimea in 1921 with the British expeditionary force where Bennet was working as a British Military secret service attache…One of Cecil Lewis later wives went on to Canada to establish the Gurdjieff circle there. War , mysticism , famous people and GBS and a venerable sannyassin named Nirvan…you read it here first…
Remember we are only six steps removed from actually knowing someone who knew someone else… Sannyas news is here to tie up any loose ends.
ps GBS was a vegetarian…
I am not sure if killing is always wrong, particularly as Osho often suggests that dead people soon reincarnate. Why don’t you read Chapter 1 of ‘Krishna — the man and his philosophy’ (available on the web.)
It is one of the most interesting Osho discourses. The Old boy is v. critical of pacifism there.
AJ says, ‘I am not sure if killing is always wrong, particularly as Osho often suggests that dead people soon reincarnate.’
Herein lies the danger of interpreting a guru’s words via an unenlightened mind.
AJ, how would you actually feel if faced with the hypothetical prospect of taking another’s life? We’ve all read Krishna’s rap to Arjuna, which is all very well if you are speaking from the level of universal omnipotence. You are definitely not. From the murderers I’ve interviewed in my life they had all ruined their lives due to their despicable acts.
Even soldiers who have killed in the line of duty often have a job coming to terms with what they have done. You seem like a gentle peace-loving guy from what I can gather and now you are saying ‘I am not sure if killing is always wrong’. Sounds like armchair philosophy at its very worst.
Lokesh says:
>> Even soldiers who have killed in the line of duty often have a job coming to terms with what they have done.
‘Offensive killing’ differs from ‘defensive killing’ and the psychology of each differs too.
… and there is also ‘revenge killing’ which psychologically is also justifiable. It’s all armchair philosophy.
And you want to know if somebody asks you about my philosophical standpoint…. It is not going to be that easy, because I see man as a multi-dimensional being. You will be able to state it standing on one foot, there is no need for sentences, but you will have to state ten non-commandments.
The first: freedom.
The second: uniqueness of individuality.
The third: love.
The fourth: meditation.
The fifth: non-seriousness.
The sixth: playfulness.
The seventh: creativity.
The eighth: sensitivity.
The ninth: gratefulness.
Tenth: a feeling of the mysterious.
These ten non-commandments constitute my basic attitude towards reality, towards man’s freedom from all kinds of spiritual slavery.
Osho.
Beyond Enlightenment
Chapter #23
Chapter title: Ten Non-comandments
P- Moses today would be considered a mass murderer and be put on trial for genocide, did you read about his antics while he was roaming around the Sinai after he “freed” the slaves? Genghis Khan must have been his reincarnation some 3500 years later- Moses, the butcher, screw his “Ten commandments”, they were given just to keep his psycho tribesmen and women in line, sort of.
Parmartha says:
>> Someone told me that commandment about not killing is also in the Koran. If so, my God, what on earth is happening round the planet with these Islamists?
1. You can do a lot worse to human beings than killing them, but let’s not go there.
2. There was a prog, ‘The Truth About Killing’ by Grub Smith which said that, up to and including WWII less than 2% of soldiers actually shot at the enemy.
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Personally I would enjoy to hear about some of Osho’s exploits when encountering a burning bush.
yeah,moses and his possee must`ve burnt a lot of bush.
40 years lost in the desert to get from egypt to palestine….
have you seen a map?
that mustve been some bush!
or else those tablets that god gave to moses to give to his people must have been pretty good too.
no wonder his people started to feel wicked…
worshipping a golden ass…
wow.what were those guys up to…..?
moses sounds like he was just a typical bloke….
he wouldn’t ask for directions
Yeah, I caan dig it. Guided by voices in his head. Was he one of the last bicameral men?
Lokes- some people think Osho died of the after affects of his bush hunting.
Well, that’s what one gets from beating around the bush. Perhaps a visit with Peter Tosh, the alley bush doctor, could have saved the day.
According to me there is one important commandment that needs to be included in the 10 commandments of Osho( seriously…).
Whenever someone in the commune meets him to bid farewell, he used to tell them : “Good. Come back when possible. While you are there take care of my people”.
-love you all my fellow travelers.
moksha : i love gurus and authority and i was wondering about the rules
and the 10 commandments…( everybody laughs )
( laughing ) swami rajneesh answers :
commandments? i have to scratch my head
somewhere that is a jesus story…right ? moses !
you caught me there ok…i will answer you tomorrow !
i do not know how to count after five
i am so stoned i cannot count…
number ten is too far away any commandments ?
just that word is so…command…commandment
my god…double dose…command and meant
the universe is so beautiful no human being needs any command or ments
it is so aggressive and who is going to command whom ?
and who will follow whom ? so ugly…
even the buddha does not want anyone to follow him
even the greatest masters cannot give you a single commandment
they see you so uniquely you
they see your freedom to be so uniquely for you
no thought can arise ! it is impossible
break all rules ! break all rules…
they are not for human beings you are not a prisoner…
the whole sky is yours
no commandment can fit anybody
and no buddha can give any commandment
for teachers it is very easy
they can make a rule…one two three four five six
and create ten directions of closure
they can close you from many directions
they tell you…do this or do not do that… both are the same
the moment you are saying yes to something
you are saying no to something else
even if the ten commandments are positive …do this…
it also implies do not do that
utter silence…no do…no do not do
no positive no negative no direction
whatsoever can be given to anybody
not even the positive direction
every positive direction given to men has become a poison
the do gooder has become the enemy
everything done for you in a loving way has become a chain
no commandments good or bad
either way is ever possible for any human being
specially one who is a mystic searching for truth
the whole sky is yours
the so called guidelines as they use in the resort in poona
every so called guideline in the hands of unconscious people
becomes a chain and a tool to prosecute the individual
every guideline of any given master
has become a hindrance to that individual who does not fit
and your work is to not fit anywhere …never fit …never !
even if you have to purposely do something wrong not to fit do it…
purposely ! be a misfit…be a rebel
never fit in any commandments…judgments or good wishes
good wishes are worse than bad wishes
better to reject a good wish than a bad one
just say…bad wish i accept…good wish you can keep
i think there is no possibility
to create any kind of rule for any living being
it is simply ugly…undignifying and i know it perfectly well
i am not talking philosophy
i am talking through my own experience
i am a disciple of osho and i have lived in the greatest commune
the greatest experiment ever in the history of man
and through my own experience i can say
the organisation simply cripples the individual
j krishnamurthy is absolutely right
that every organisation cripples the individual
the commandments…good or bad…
in the hands of the unconscious people are dangerous
The idea that survivalism is a knee jerk subterfuge that endemically relies on or self justifies most if not all forms of violence leaves out of consciousness the nature of orchestrated corporate criminality and the mass mind, tribal or otherwise. There is every difference between terror whether state or religious and individual one to one acts of localized violent insanity.
Alok John correctly identifies the passive aggressive of Gandhi, being that he was an ex lawyer and understood the shame that underlied the British Empire’s guilt, which he used effectively. These were the actions of a politician suited to outplaying humbleness and deference and civility that the British laid claim to, as pure humbug on the part of the British , and using the embarassment factor in an age of ‘the poor show old chap’ and ‘that really is unsporting ‘ epithets of missionary bureaucrats out to extract as much duping of the locals as possible while painting the world with the Union Jack. Because of that, Gandhism cannot lay claim to more than what it is .. a useful tactic, of superlatives.
What we are challenged with is now to understand and fully expose the corporate mechanisms which allow for synthetic mass murder to be rationalized. The use of language in the tripartite state of Judiciary, Media and Politicians(including the Educational emotive controlling hierarchical conditioning of proto-religious secular schooling) to be the new architecture of common virtualised rationalised belief (and its concomitant denial)
These are the direct inheritances of the ancient Theistic state, brokered by divine kings, which the age of enlightenment replaced with man as god rationalism. The problem lies in that the same militant secular mind can create secular wars of mass destruction as much as theocratic empires could or can. The tyranny lies in the fabric of the systematic internalization of the flag waving credo, dispersed amongst the control mechanism of thought a la 1984, as much as in overt faith or belief. Furthermore the issue of self belief in advanced nations having achieved an evolutionary but necessary pragmatism , prevents us taking the initiatives that Osho through consciousnes was a direct testament of. The fact that we despair of the game being played is not sufficient cause, by who Osho was, to prevent us from engaging it.
That was his indomitability, and what love does, because it cannot do otherwise. The essence is evidenced not by outrage or despair, but by its ability to manifest despite adversity or opposition and yet to be untainted by it.
I wouldn’t necessarily argue with any of this, PM, except to say that apart from being further causes, these are also all basically further effects of the fundamental cause, which is ‘simply’ man’s ignorance of his deeper reality.
Given that blindness, that lack of true perspective, our human world is ruled by fear and its offshoots (greed, will to power, selfishness etc. etc.), with all the catastrophic consequences we know only too well.
SD…
So as to avoid the risk of disappearing up my own lyrical bottom, and thus providing only trite reflections from the sidelines I can only offer a tune where words fail me.
The unfortunate subtext of world news, as we know by now is that it re-enforces by the tailored provision of relentless desolation the agenda of disempowerment in the face of adversity….Until we all are asked to become progressively implicated in the same cauterized neurology of the lost and damned. So much for sub texts.
Anyway…
Here is Sinead O’Connor.
.and hearing in her singing, even as a wider metaphor for the human condition, a protest song for inspired faith or if that word appals…. then as a tune that invites and uplifts deed to redemption whoever and wherever you are.
Thanks to Osho for opening the gates and catch Sinead’s smile at 6.28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9yjhcp0EK4&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL7D2041893DE676C1
Thanks for the Sinead song Martyn. Very moving.
Do you have her CD “Theology”. ?
She dont smile t’is true, but somehow I like that.
SNews…ur Welcome…
I only discovered that album a couple of months back, I should have another look at all the tracks again, because I don’t actually have a stored copy.
It was a poignant moment many years ago when I met her sitting on a low garden wall alone in a quiet back street in Notting Hill. I was too gobsmacked to ask anything more than a ‘How’r you doing’.
Thank goodness for her voice, her passion, outrage, and inspired musicianship. Natch, a vegan.If that’s what being a crazy one does for you, then count me in ….please.
Yes, the world is ruled by fear. Criminal doings of political Mass murder, Wars created by Royals, Bankers and Politicians too keep people away of their natural Freedom.
The West led by U.S. and their stooges in the Gulf States supplies weapons to terrorists, especially for Muslim Brotherhood.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/21/world/middleeast/cia-said-to-aid-in-steering-arms-to-syrian-rebels.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&
Here’s one to make your day, Preetam…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gNDw4rDG5vg#t=29
I’m not an Icke friend, but if you share his links here, I share those for you…
http://wideshut.co.uk/albert-pikes-3-world-wars-letter-hoax-wideshut-webcast/
http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/masonry/Captain_William_Morgan_-_The_Mysteries_of_Freemasonry.pdf
Just to understand that structure, possibly lots to learn from.
Well, Preetam, the first one is demonstrated to be a transparent fake, the second is simply too much effort to read.
I’m not an Icke ‘follower’ either, I still find his “lizards” stuff laughable nonsense, produced by a mind that has taken psychic symbols for physical reality. No doubt he’s had certain realisations, but apparently hasn’t moved on from purely worldly concerns. Perhaps not surprising for a former tv journalist with no stated affiliation to any spiritual teacher or teachings.
But I also think he talks a lot of sense, is a gifted and compelling public speaker, and a most courageous man.
would be better to make the effort to read the second one,instead to listen to the confortable bullshit of David Icke(wich,btw,work for the CIA)
Oh yeah, sure, Icke’s a CIA agent!
So am I, mate.
And don’t worry, btw, I know you’re from the KGB.
Not too bad. He has a general idea. What he forgot mention was that just after 9/11 we decided that there are too many of them for us to fight, so we were going to make them fight each other.
Lenin calculated that only internal revolutions could stop international war, and the median time for an effective change of government is reckoned to be three full weeks of a total general strike. Just remember those stats when it comes to full war with China and Russia over Iran.
Tip: I always keep a spare can of baked beans in the larder for emergencies.
I have watched this movie ‘ History of the World ‘, in my teens , it still is one my most enjoyed & loved movies .
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Is this too a commandment-
“The mind should be trained to be a servant of the heart. Logic should serve love. And then life can become a festival of lights.”
Yes, that is the point where Humanity is forced by pressure into a shift of facts. The pressure of religions, politicians and royals mainly focused here. It shifts humanities self-worth about 180º into confusion of reason, self doubt and puts Logic above Love.
But perhaps we can get too concerned about what’s so ‘wrong’ in the world (and attempting to change it), a diversion from finding our inner reality – and maybe tending to make us part of the problem, not the solution?
Here’s Eckhart Tolle on this:
Q: How can we create a better world without tackling evils such as hunger and violence first?
ET: All evils are the effect of unconsciousness. You can alleviate the effects of unconsciousness, but you can not eliminate them unless you eliminate their cause. True change happens within, not without.
If you feel called upon to alleviate suffering in the world, that is a very noble thing to do, but remember not to focus exclusively on the outer; otherwise, you will encounter frustration and despair. Without a profound change in human consciousness, the world’s suffering is a bottomless pit. So don’t let your compassion become one-sided. Empathy with someone else’s pain or lack and a desire to help need to be balanced with a deeper realisation of the eternal nature of all life and the ultimate illusion of all pain. Then let your peace flow into whatever you do and you will be working on the levels of effect and cause simultaneously.
This also applies if you are supporting a movement designed to stop deeply unconscious humans from destroying themselves, each other and the planet, or to continue to inflict dreadful suffering on other sentient beings.
(FAO PREETAM!):
Remember: Just as you can not fight the darkness, so you can not fight unconsciousness. If you try to do so, the polar opposites will become strengthened and more deeply entrenched. You will become identified with one of the polarities, you will create an “enemy”, and so be drawn into unconsciousness yourself. Raise awareness by disseminating information, or at the most, practise passive resistance. But make sure that you carry no resistance within, no hatred, no negativity. “Love your enemies”, said Jesus, which, of course, means “have no enemies”.
Once you get involved in working on the level of effect, it is all too easy to lose yourself in it. Stay alert and very, very present. The causal level needs to remain your primary focus, the teaching of enlightenment your main purpose, and peace your most precious gift to the world.
SD:
Sounds like sense to me. Although re “love your enemies”, well, who can do that? To have no enemies I prefer the saying, “let go your enemies”.
Funny, SD, I have no enemies, only challenges.
Which structure is making enemies and is creating terrorists all around the world, by killing our kids. Poisoning any well’s water for power and money success, since eons? Absolute peace is precious, but if someone places his Tank before your flat to make sure that your natural peace is disturbed.
Giving me advice of a person who love’s dog’s psychic more than human’s heart is not really nice, SD.
Humanity is challenged; it can stand up or surrender unto the structure of power same as they did in the arena under Nero. I don’t mean to fight. I mean to stand up reaching each other our hands and celebrate this gift of life together with no compromises.
You don’t convince me here, Preetam.
You say you “have no enemies, only challenges”, yet immediately go on to identify the very “structure” you deem responsible for all the world’s current ills. Which you have reiterated in most of your posts for a long time, stressing the ‘oppression out there’ rather than whatever might be your and others’ inner issues and their possible solutions. You’re far more specific and articulate about what’s ‘wrong’ than about any ‘cures’ or alternatives.
If I have the wrong impression of you, ie of a man concerned to the point of obsession with socio-political pathology then I suggest it might well be down to how you present your views.
As for your remark about Tolle, well, it’s a bit of a self-defensive cheap shot, isn’t it? Again, unconvincing.
Before a few day’s I saw a report. I don’t know what the issue was, but it showed a very old temple. This Temple had a stone slide, perhaps the first slide in the world… sure an outer expression of this one which aims into our self.
Not sure what you’re getting at here, Preetam. Please clarify.
SD said: “You’re far more specific and articulate about what’s ‘wrong’ than about any ‘cures’ or alternatives.”
The very old slide is cure and alternative.
Please clarify!
With respect, we can Pray and Dance for others; Meditation and Realizing each does alone.
You mean pray and dance WITH (not “for”) others?
How is that relevant to the slide you mentioned?
I can guess, but please explain so there’s no chance of misunderstanding.
Oh yes, with…
though prayer is a kind of service on our “one self” level.
What do you mean exactly?
The stone slide to me is the symbolization of a happening what can be described as “self realization”.
shantam prem says:
>> Logic should serve love.
Logic lasts longer than love. Therefore, my dear Shantam … all one has to do to override the heart is … wait.
(Did I just say that?)
So many prophets, messiahs and masters are living all around the universe. Most probably in their retired stage.
That is why, no TV camera goes towards them for an Interview!
Why not consider exactly why the media are apparently not interested, Shantam, unless there’s a ‘scandal’ to report?
There is no ‘media’, just propaganda by the elite. There is no ‘opposition’ either. It’s all ‘manufactured’ to stop us from looking where we are not meant to be looking.
In ancient greece there was no word for art (media). Art in greek is techni, the techn-ology of manipulating emotions. What we see as art in ancient greece, were works commissioned by the elite to assert their (social) position.
What kind of commandments and dictates are written in books is one thing, what is humanly possible is another, then comes interpretations from the alpha males; the self appointed or chosen successors.
Out of many do´s and don´t s, one I like the most is-
Let the world follow, what we read!
‘the self appointed or chosen successors.’
Like you, you mean.
SD, “Prayer’s service juice depends on our awareness”; guess a risky statement… it’s just a no statement.
Awareness again is only assessable through our self realizing otherwise we need Osho’s 10.
Here are my Ten Commandments which are not instructive but just for the fun of it you can read next time you’re having a cup of tea or coffee.
1) Listen to Van Morrison and Bob Dylan (link below )
2) Visit Ireland
3) Swim with Dolphins
4) Sort out your life
5) Get help as needed
6) Offer it without making a song and dance about it.
7) Then go dance and sing
8) Make trouble, fun
9) Make fun, trouble
10) Choose to be born and and take portable notes with you on where you were before you got here, so that it all fits
”….I’m going down to Geneva where the kingdom has been found……..”
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Here are my Ten Commandments which are not instructive but just for the fun of it you can read next time you’re having a cup of tea or coffee.
1) Listen to Van Morrison and Bob Dylan (link below )
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Go to concert as well.
2) Visit Ireland
Lived their.
3) Swim with Dolphins
I wish.
4) Sort out your life
snigger.
5) Get help as needed
Good one.
6) Offer it without making a song and dance about it.
Yep.
7) Then go dance and sing
Yes. Yes. Yes.
8) Make trouble, fun
Yes. Yes. Yes.
9) Make fun, trouble
Yes. Yes. Yes.
10) Choose to be born and and take portable notes with you on where you were before you got here, so that it all fits
In progress.
Great post oh troublesome one.
>> 10) Choose to be born and and take portable notes with you on where you were before you got here, so that it all fits.
I have always followed this commandment (and have even gone as far a to say that we choose the parents we are born to) and it works for me and for 99.999% of the ppl I have applied it to … but … How do I collate it when somebody says, “Why would I choose to be the ninth child to a family that didn’t want me?” (I have been confronted by this dilemma twice recently.)
“How do I collate it when somebody says, “Why would I choose to be the ninth child to a family that didn’t want me?” (I have been confronted by this dilemma twice recently).”
Maybe the only answer is to find out who this “I” is who allegedly did the choosing? (Almost certainly not the “I” that asked the above question!).
Are these two people prepared to wait – maybe a lifetime or more – for the answer?
Or are they willing to make the effort to find out for themselves?
Another way of looking at what one might term ‘personal burdens’ (“Why me?”) that I’ve at times found useful is to ask,”Well, why not me?”
After all, presumably someone has to take that particular load, don’t they?!
Something grim occurred for me last year.
I’ve been saying the same thing.
‘Why not me?’
If you have any kind of spiritual deviation, follow my simple suggestion-
Find suitable Husband or wife, who nourishes you like a baby.
chances are 10 in 10,000
Find a Master, where it is easier to bend. I mean a real master, not just photo.
Chances are again 10 in 10,000 to find the Real One.
Find a Psychiatrist for Psycho analysis.
There are tens of thousands in every developed country.
Participants of Sannyasnews and readers can judge their own life and see, which category is fitting.
shantam prem says:
>> If you have any kind of spiritual deviation, follow my simple suggestion-
I don’t think you have a clear understanding of the term ‘spiritual deviation’. It doesn’t always mean what it says. It can be something as simple as looking for divinity in patterns (that might not even exist) or as complex as deviant sexuality.
PM ,1 – 9 is ok , the 10th , that’s a tough one !
”10) Choose to be born and and take portable notes with you on where you were before you got here, so that it all fits “
KV.
If you can’t remember where you leave the front door keys, or have trouble remembering what you went to the supermarket for, skip 10 and just enjoy the tea and that life has chosen you, to combine tea , enjoyment and remembering how to forget, exceedingly well.
Those Swami Shanti prints on the Caravanserai are truly a bargain buy.
I am also particularly pleased by the photo of the Bhaktofronti naked devotees reminiscing. That photo was apparently taken before they were sent as the Indian delegation’s last ditch attempt, of mediation for peace at the UN brokered ‘ Prevent Lying Thugs from Carving Up the World ‘, Conference .
The latest news is that the fab four have succeeded in bringing everyone back to their senses, by forcing even the most unwilling to look at themselves. It is also the first time the United Nations failed to use a spell checker on the invitation especially on the word ‘mediation’, adding extra letter T’s . The UN secretary invited delegates in any case , ‘to not worry and be happy’ , if faced with things going arse upwards especially during the gents all-in Yoga display later this afternoon.
Lastly, The Tibetan Monks were still banging their drum outside the hall, late last night, after being denied entry as they were told the delegates had refused offers of assisted reincarnation in association with the Swiss Youth in Asia clinic, at Oberamgamsteinfurtenvaldamseehinkelgruber Sur le Lac de La Plume de Ma Tante.
I am not a good skipper & being on this choiceless ride , I guess , a well brewed blend is enjoyed by mostly anyone .
Btw PM I don’t usually forget both , where I left the front door keys or why went to the supermarket , on the same day , so I hope you shall give some grace marks for that !
Ahh that must be the old Sufi story of the Key , the Tea, and the Shopping trolley…
Once upon a time, long ago, there lived a girl who through no fault of her own wondered how long and how often . Many times during the day she could be found drinking tea under a big old tree wondering. How many and mostly were her favourite thoughts. In fact she liked anything that could be enjoyed, particularly delicious tea and well brewed delicious ideas.
Anyway, one day…..
…. . . . one day , after enjoying so many delicious brews & ideas , her taste buds became numb & all her ideas vanished , so finally she along with her beloved made a tree house without any locks , on that very big old tree , which was surrounded by many tea gardens , so they didn’t need that trolley anymore , now she & her beloved sipped tea at their leisure , ever after !
My last comment on this thread.
People can chew the books and all the words, as far as reality is concerned, May be Osho has left during his last hours; one simple commandment.
Jayesh will decide, you may follow!