Sannyasnews thought that given the fresh awareness about rape, particularly in India, after the madness of the last three weeks, it was time to look at the Master’s words.
What Osho said about Rape:
But the way the society has been against sex, they have made it a serious problem. It should be simple playfulness – and that’s exactly what it is. Two people are playing tennis, there is no problem. Nobody ever hears that somebody raped… there is no question of raping in tennis. You can play; there is no need to rape. When two people are playing tennis they are using their bodies, their minds. What are they doing when they are making love? – it is just there is not a net in between. And all the contraceptives are nothing but the net! The contraceptives make it really a game, with the net.
The net was missing. God did not supply it to Adam and Eve. Perhaps out of anger he simply kept the net to himself; otherwise, in throwing those two poor people out of the garden of Eden he should at least have given them all the provisions for life.
The society goes on making you very serious about sex. It goes on making you repress your energies. There is a limit to repression; after that limit, the energy takes over. Whenever a man commits rape, he is not in his senses, for the simple reason that the rape cannot help him to solve his problem. The rape cannot give him the joy that his whole physiology is asking for. Rape cannot give him the warmth, the love, the receptivity that he needs. It is simply not the answer to his need.
But you have left no other ways. You have forced the man into such a condition that he simply explodes like a volcano. Seeing a woman in a lonely spot he forgets the consequences. He forgets hell, God, The Bible, church, court, constitution; he forgets everything. He is not in his real self, he is not himself; he becomes almost like an animal.
And this is not a way of making love: the woman is screaming, she is shouting and trying to escape. You can call it a fight, you cannot call it love. And he forces himself upon the woman by sheer physical violence. He interferes with the independence of another human being and he gets nothing out of it – he gets castration, or fifty years of imprisonment. This is the orgasm that he gets. And the society is responsible for the whole thing: the court and the judge and the law – they all represent the society.
This is a very cunning way of destroying individuals. On one hand you force them to be criminals, on the other hand you are ready to punish them. But your punishment does not seem to be compassionate; your punishment seems to be a kind of revenge.
If the man has raped, and that is a crime, then the judge who orders his castration – in what category are you going to put that judge? He is not in any way different from a rapist. The society is taking revenge. The society is not being fair, it has not looked into the whole phenomenon.
Osho, From Misery to Enlightenment, Ch 26.
interesting, though the rumors and stories about the old man back in bombay and pune 1 with regards to his sexual encounters must then all be lies.. care to comment? easy to give lectures about a subject, totally different when you have to live it.
”easy to give lectures about a subject, totally different when you have to live it. ” baba do you mean to say only a person who lives ‘ it ‘ ,
( whatever that ‘ it ‘ means ), is able to lecture , in most cases the one who is living / lives ‘ it ‘ is mostly not in a position to even talk / share , forget about lecturing & many dont even have a choice , but to live / die & everyone does not have an interest in sharing / lecturing .
so what part of “it” don’t you understand? pretty clear to me… you’ve been hanging out with shantam for too long.. time to get in from the cold.
to me in this context , ‘ it ‘ could mean osho/ anybody should be a victim of rape , to speak about rape , anyway from the looks of it baba you seem to be hanging out with sufi & time to freeze
kavita darling, Frank just wrote a nice piece about Osho quotes… yes it is good to disagree or agree, as long as you think for yourself and not accept things blindly.. eyes wide open, even when doing meditations.. that’s the point of it all, maybe?
btw baba jani , thats exactly what Iam doing ‘ keeping my eyes wide open ‘
babasvetlana says:
> the rumors and stories about the old man back in bombay and pune 1 …
It was merely the Indian mind misunderstanding the signals being given out by the white chicks in the early days. He soon caught-on on how the game played in this part of the woods. He was not a repeat offender. I come from the middle-East so I had half His problem.
“he was not a repeat offender”.. that’s a laugh. you being middle-eastern, now that’s scary… you arabs and persians make indians look like boyscouts.. anyway good luck on your travels.
babasvetlana says:
> anyway good luck on your travels.
These days I’m a white man so you are safe. Just don’t leave your goat unguarded.
there was another gang rape just the other day… same old India, women traveling alone need to be paranoid.. so many wolves, not enough sheep to satisfy their hunger… this, in the world’s most spiritual of places- India.. land of the untouchables, land where women are ripe for picking…
Baba Black sheep, you have a big mouth but no courage to express yourself without the veil of annonymity.
Don’t talk about India or Osho, start from your self first. Be honest and stand for your thoughts.
What is your name and where readers can see your photo?
like you said shantam, start from yourself first- so where is your photo? i see nothing posted…
This Osho’s article about Rape is so different than all the socio political class and religious elites are speaking.
More or less, Osho Publications from Pune and Delhi would also not like to highlight Osho’s stand. Be in India as Indian do.
Today i hade a chance to visit famous wellness center in the region i live, everytime i go to Sauna, the thought strikes in my Indian mind, will this kind of life will ever be possible in India, where Body is just a fabric, and asexual one.
Rapes in India will decline only when fear of law will go in the guts. Change in mind set of 1.2 Billion minds will take minimum few decades.
o ye soothsayer, ye fortune teller.. the all knowing shantam predicts change of indian mindset will take “minimum few decades”. one wonders where this yo-yo gets his info.. from osho books, Gandj-goo goo recitals, from his magic crystal ball he found in a cereal box as a boy? well done shantam, I’ll book you for the next world circus tour.
Shantam, there is more to life than hanging out in gay saunas. Such activities will keep your perspective as it is….very limited.
hanging out?
or sticking out?
either way,as you say,
pretty limited….
There is obviously a lack of Pune trained expert insightful deconditioning instructive Tantra weekend sex coaches in countries which don’t have weekend working class boozer shagathons with photos on facebook of best toilet shagging moments….either that or its caused by a complete underinvestment in BDSM exploration, fisting, and permissive indulgent humour which allows for every conceivable sexual act to be used as comic material on the media and stage.
However I do think the final cure is really to sit on cushions looking for the no self having done all that (or not), because then it all has a purpose and isn’t part of mass western society’s deep existential psychosis, but is part of a quickened approach to a libertarian , ‘of course there are no rules’, sannyas vision (lol) , which actually is full of aspirational air dispersed cum as the result of collective mutually approved head nodding bourgeois wank-ins.
Is that clear enough or should I write a more condensed sentence?
you mostly always get me to a point of no return !
Kavita, Thanks..
You are welcome..
I believe they may be called Kirkegaard moments …
I buy mine in packs of three…
Martyn , you sure are proficient in whatsoever you do , btw just to let you know, I havent yet returned from my last trip !
I haven’t returned from my last trip either. I knew I should have stayed away from the brown acid…it’s nobodys fault but mine.
kinky kinkegaard in a BDSM philosophy session deconstructs sannyas
150 years before it happens.
nice one marty.
like it.
failing which a mass psychotic event can be regularly held, like football matches, for those with surplus testosterone.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21006259
http://www.fiveaa.com.au/photo_nude-cuddles-at-sydney-opera-house_115083
sydney:
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mexico:
first few minutes in spanish then there’s english
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free …of the need…. to be free….(thanks to Arpana’s video yesterday)
After seeing Martyn link of nude cuddles, i remember, today Great Kumbh Mela has started in Allahabad. During next 55 days 100 million people will participate.
12 years ago, there were no photo handys. but this time, it is possible few guys will bring forward many wet sarees photos.
What western do with grace and easiness, Indians do with hit and run style.
There is one exception, with Osho’s sannyas, rules of the mental games went up side down.
Sannyas is screwed by hit and run majority mind. Few of them are gracing the pages of sannyasnews!
shantam- you always demand seeing a person’s photo and info when you has a beef with what they’re saying.. you just can’t take it…. typical of the fanatical mind osho talked about.
what on earth are you babbling about now? i can imagine you as a child playing with puzzles and building blocks.. you put them together like a hippie on an acid trip- a bad trip at that… now you use words… Mumbai psychiatric hospital is admitting new patients, there is a line around the block, in your case they’ll let you cut the line…. pleasant dreams.
Shantam, how long have steamy windows been a source of erotic stimulus for you? Is it a childhood thing?
I am Shantam Prem(Iqbal Singh) at facebook.
I am not a creative writer otherwise i could have written for stand up commadies or dialogues for Hindi movies.
Yet i write, call it emotional outbrusts. I write as being disciple of Osho and stand behind each and every sentence. I don’t need to feel embarrased as quite often i get foot in the mouth virus.
On the contrary, it gives me hope to be in the company of great men. Majority of them have given big adjectives to their foot in the mouth disease!
In a bid to stem the rising tide of criticism the Indian Govt today launched a nationwide hunt for Freud’s repressed libido, which Indian experts at Dun Lucknow University have confirmed to be the cause of most of India’s psycho se*ual-(unmentionable) problems.
According to their spokeseman Lt Colonel Goondas Chowpatty , no effort is being spared or made to find exactly where this chap is hiding. ‘ We have heard that this fellow, Fred has been causing a lot of tittle tattle amongst the teenagers. It is said that he forces young men to stand around kulfi bars clicking their tongues and going ‘ hey ma, kss , kss he he he, you want ride my bicycle , giggle giggle.’ ‘This Fred Libido is a very dangerous man who seems to have some yogi powers over our Indian men and our thousands of years of lingering lingam worship. Our top detectives also are reporting he is very most likely a Scottish person , as he has a fondness for sweet lassis at the kulfi bar, also very correctly sir’.
Despite this and other measures there were calls today for the improvement of se*( unmentionable) education today. The government has agreed in principle to ensure every parent has the right to decide on their child’s future by actually studying in their child’s place at university. The minimum age for starting university will now be raised to 45, and parents will be required to study for their children’s exams in person and also the new se#- (unmentionable) classes, where they will learn for their children how kissing makes babies and other essentials of relating, including just how se*y (unmentionable) is a 2nd class degree in engineering,and when someone asks how you feel , always give a decisive inviting non committal waggle of the head and look embarassed.
‘With all these measures we expect to raise the minimum psychological standards for all men in India, said the Defective, to at least a mental age of 12 or 13 if we are lucky, and women complainants will be protected by the latest technology in our police stations including opening the door, listening , writing down the details and perhaps even prosecuting the culprits.
Hoots, mon, it’s no’ me. Even if ah do love the lassies.
Just in case you were not expecting it “westernisation” is being blamed …
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/15/india-gang-rape-women-attitudes
There’s another statement of Osho blaming Indian sexual attitudes on repression which is nearer to the mark than anything else. Most ppl on earth ‘think’ they are not getting enough sex and there is nothing we can do about any of it, so I don’t know why we are bothering to talk about it.
its bound to happen.
the traditionalists who want a return to old trads,religious forms etc versus the modernists who want to get rid of the legacy of dead holymen with beards and motor on into the future…
hang on a minute,that sounds rather familiar….
now where have i come across that kind of thing?somewhere around here,i think it was……
thats the real archetypal battle for the soul of the world.
maybe not good vs evil
bosses vs the plebs
pandavas vs karauvas
god vs heathens
etc
but the past vs the future.
me,i`m rooting for the present….
Sitting around any actual diy advaitist, or by watching videos of a legacy guru and declaring oneself to be progressing the mores of a humanist credo seems to be less than credible, more than ever , in these days of intolerant religious insanity and its personal violence versus social democratic , legalistic state secularism and its corporate often exported destruction.
Based around values already well spawned since the european age of enlightenment and its libertarian values, this humanist, sensualised and psychologically familiar ‘enlightenment’ is given added impetus in a more faith-based let alone a secular one to evidence and replace the injunctions of those who would oppose it.
Abandoning, by an already provided ready-made religious identity, the encumbering ‘society’ to its own solutions whilst portraying the Osho communities as idylls of resolved revolutionary and definitive ‘loving’ environments is neither accurate nor useful to others or its inhabitants or visitors.
The manner in which ‘we’ as the self defined legacy-holders of any inspired behaviour, redress that claim or evidence its revolutionary effects for ourselves and others is neither useful by way of secondary paternalistic grandstanding (osho was free and by his unique example only, so will you be too) or by referring our integrity to a single item (meditation) or individual(teacher /guru) for deferred validation of any of our missing mores.
To produce a socializing effect then we would do well to espouse idiosynchratic and collaborative engagements everywhere without predeterming their validity through, yet again, a quasi religious example or metaphysical definitives when other more direct, more personable, more useful and more accessible validations of our humanity already exist.
cheers..
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/01/14/mind-the-gap-on-no-pants-day/
u all KHANTUS are nothing but disciple of unconditioned Honey Singh. shame on u khantus. u r absolutely good for nothing. not helping society … only playing with words ….crap bla bla bla bla …. hahahaha …
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… shame on you khantu peoples … no solution … only complex and crap bla bla bla…. because all u know … as soon as u will give someWhat clear solution and write in simple words with wisdom … u all will be naked… shame shame shame… u all khantu disciples of Honey Singh …. hehehehe ….ROFL!!!!! u peoples are lonely and saddist. General peoples in society are living more happy life with lots of fun than u saddist people. some people in society have gone to extreme end just like u people gone to other extreme end in spiritual world. get a life ….low life homo pimps. Why u people are not comingUp with yr own uncondition Ashram. If u see yr posts …there is repeated dialouge and crap bla bla bla … nothing else. Enjoy life instead repeated crap bla bla bal … be silent now and if getting angry than start same repeated crap bla bla bla … why are u afraid and threatned and showing resistance. Just open yr uncondition ashram… no one with wisdom will follow you. Only GandhuLokka Maraj and Sattu Debraaaa will come to join yr lonely and saddistic ashram. anyone can make spoof of anything … Jesus , Krishna , OSHO , J , Mooji , tyohar etc. no big deal in it. haramkhoro agar gand mein dum hai to apna khud ka ashram shuru karo…….. hahahahaha …LOL!!!! now comeUp with something new sense of humour. no repeated dialouges and words… OK …. All the best .. LOVE.
“Only GandhuLokka Maraj and Sattu Debraaaa will come to join yr lonely and saddistic ashram. anyone can make spoof of anything … Jesus , Krishna , OSHO , J , Mooji , tyohar etc. no big deal in it. haramkhoro agar gand mein dum hai to apna khud ka ashram shuru karo……”
Mmmmm, that’s SO very true, little egg. I particularly like the last sentence….
egghead,
you use a lot of words,but just 2 will sum up your contribution more clearly:
impotent rage.
heyyyy frankie burger …. opto circuit has developed stent for u …dont worry.. u will be cured soon. now calm down. GandhuuLokka is arranging little prayer for you. Be Silent !!!!
frank says:
egghead,
you use a lot of words,but just 2 will sum up your contribution more clearly: impotent rage.
To which I would add a 3rd : directionless
I want to be insulted but I don’t know where to begin.
what is yr DIRECTION for uncondition… Buddhu Vikrut BABA… hahahaha … lot of fun on this board… NJOyyyy ..fun fun fun
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Osho did the sex act (coitus)??….Who knows?
What is clear on this page is a lot of skilled writing…. verbal diharrea in abundance amungst many egos.Write -on!
Dear Mr A Reefer,
Is your question spurious , rhetorical, or where have you been ?
FYI..Osho shocked everyone in lecture one day at the age of roughly 50ish when he confirmed that if he didn’t have a bad back he’d still be enjoying sex, but that his wrestler type body had been wrecked by spending years on the road giving out discourses etc.
….Shriek, gasp, shock, horror, phone a friend, pass me the gin and tonic !!!!!
(somebody else might send in the exact reference, if you play nice , cos i don’t have it)
Next time you wish to cast aspersions could you try and stick to the format and be at least a little bit creative or humorous or insightful or just plain sannyas with a little bit of participation and playing to the three audience members here who often have to pitch in for a lack of any other decent material?
If you want the job of writing for SN , just send in a half decent opinion, if you can’t find a full one of your own.
Ta.
The Residents and all the team at number 17.
“Dear Mr. A Reefer”: good one!