Almost a year ago, I had written an article here on Sannyas News about Osho Tapoban’s official announcement of the upcoming four new communes in Nepal. Recently I made a trip to one of these communes, Osho Upaban in Pokhara, and what I saw there has impressed me over expectations. In just a few months after its constructions started, the commune has already taken shape and is ready to welcome Osho lovers.
Under construction Osho Upaban view from across the river
Perched high on the rim of the deep Seti gorge, Upaban is practically an island bordered by two huge mountain rivers, the Seti and the Phusre. Osho Sannyasins have now changed the name of Phusre as Mandakini. Mandakini is the tributary of Ganges, which starts from Kedarnath in North India and has the same color and water quality as Phusre.
Situated at a 10 minutes drive from the Pokhara airport, the commune is connected with a metal road and is only 4 kilometers away from the main city of Pokhara. In Sanskrit, ‘Upaban’ means garden and this commune really looks like an exquisite garden located right at the base grounds of the Annapurna Mountain range from where one can enjoy an uninterrupted dramatic view of the whole Annapurna range and the intriguing Macchapucchre.
Apart from the rivers and mountains, the commune is also bordered by a lush green forest hill on one edge while the high rising gorges on the other side of the Seti River form dramatic scenery of almost surreal landscape. In addition to this, the commune is also connected to a turquoise colored natural swimming pool sourced by the fresh waters of the Phusre (now called Mandakini) that the visitors at the commune can enjoy at any time.
Arriving outside the commune, a driveway walled by towering cliffs overgrown with moss and long grasses leads to the main entrance of the commune. Beside the entrance is the beautiful bungalow of the semi-circular reception block that houses the spacious welcome center with its future modern audio-visual lounge. This complex is also a guesthouse with huge deluxe rooms that open to a balcony overlooking the beautiful scenery around.
Very close to the welcome centre is the three storied residential come meditation complex with three halls on each floor, two of which are dormitories and one a multipurpose meditation and therapy room. Situated right on the brink of a cliff overlooking the Seti River, I was impressed to see that even the bathrooms of this complex bear a five star view of the deep gorges and the river around.This complex also houses the common bathrooms, a small kitchen for the future Zorba Restaurant and guest rooms with attached and non attached bathroom facility. Until the construction of the main Buddha Hall is complete, all the meditation sessions are being facilitated in this building.
The other part of the commune is the adjoined long strip of flat hill where the 40 individual residential bungalows and the Buddha hall are being constructed. The construction of seven two-storied bungalows with three bedrooms, a living room and a kitchen have already started and are estimated to be completed by the end of this year. A beautiful walk through garden has also been built by the residential sannyassins living in the commune that extends a long way from the front of the welcome centre, through the residential buildings and right up to the edge of the strip where a silent meditation pagoda cum view tower has already been constructed.
Moving towards the northern side of the commune is a vast stretch of wildly vegetated land behind the reception block, which extends from a wide flat land at the base to the highest spot in the whole commune. Right at the edge of the flat land is the first hut of the commune. This orange house can be seen from the road and looks spectacular amongst its wild background. A silent meditation temple is to be constructed at the top of the hillock here.
When asked about the amazing pace with which the work is being done in Pokhara, Swami Yogananda the President of Upaban replied, “I don’t think it is coming too fast, we could have done faster but due to our limitations, we are still lagging behind. It is all because of the continuous efforts of Swami Anand Arun that this commune has taken shape. It is all because of Osho’s grace and His blessings.”
Regarding the meditation programs at Upaban he said, “I would like to invite everyone to come and have a taste of our commune. Next meditation camp of Sw. Anand Arun has been scheduled from 19-24 Nov. For this camp, we have accommodation available only for 75 people and as we expect more bookings, we will be confirming them at a first come, first serve basis. We have also been doing weekend meditation camps when we also have sannyas celebrations. Apart from that we have 3 regular Osho meditations – Dynamic, Kundalini and Whiterobe meditations everyday so people can come for the daily sessions also.”
After meeting the sannyassins here and living in Upaban for three days meditating, taking long walks or just sitting silently looking at the river or the mountains around Upaban I had a great time and it was one of the most beautiful experiences for me. Seeing the way things are coming up in this commune, it does really seem to me that mere human efforts are not the only inspiration behind it, but also the undying love and devotion for the master that can be felt everywhere in Upaban. Well whatever it is, Upaban is one of the almost impossible masterpieces that I have come across, both naturally as well as human wise and I recommend it for everyone.
Swami Aatmo Neerav
With the kind of passion in Pune, the main seat of Osho´s work, our collective and individual growth would have a totally differant dimension.
The way western managers burdened by their Christian past are running the show, it is a shame for human emotional intelligence.
The people like Arun ji must be invited by the resort management board for an hour of discussion.
But i know, they won´t do.
Balls hanging around, know all about human anatomy. Situation of male and female pride!
With this kind of passion at lackluster Pune….
One can ask..when the Jayesh/Amrito approach is so right, why they are unable to create a second “resort” in any part of the world, whereas individual sannyasins with their own money are creating little little oasis all over the world.
I think, the resort people should shift to some beautiful seaside or hilly area. Ashram at Polluted and over crowded Pune will still attract people, because it is an OSHO ENERGYFIELD. It has HISTORY, a history created by OSHO and His PEOPLE from around the world.
Neerav, sweetie, thanks for the update! I saw the video-the place is overwhelming! Congratulations to all of you guys, who have put work and money into this project.
Of course, the driving source was Arun Sw- no doubt. Sincere thanks to him for this addition into the sannays world.
Although, now this makes my life difficult. Where to go now? Tapoban or Upaban? Will have to be both! See you in April, guys!
thats nice
im glad the nature is so beautiful and people will be able to meet other people
and
will it be non hierarchical, naturally rebellious and avoid emotionally illiterate relationships like all the other osho centres..,also charging reduced fees and building a state of the art biodynamic intrelligence facilitiy….. or will it be a spiritual oasis in the fondue of life…… enriching our inherent skills of cake making, sitting around, breathing , waiting for a date,, smiling a lot…., taking life easily and becoming free of the world and all its nasty bits?
i do hope so… i cant wait for another osho pipe dream..
still the mountains are nice… and as far as dreams go…
my blessings…
enjoy….
take me down
to the paradise city
where the grass is green
and the girls are pretty…….
nice landscape.
shame about the cult!
the problem is that they like the Hilton are selling a promise…
but the details are in the fine print…
you may have a lovely time you may not..
….. but nobody in the history of any osho centre has been supported to openly dissociate, challenge, deny, refrain from, usurp, rebel against, take a stand for, anything …ANYTHING that resembled opposition to the main party line..whether it was therapy or character promoting ambitions with added ‘ presence or spiritual gnosis..
by supported i mean .that as a new blood you will be encouraged to participate and take on the mantel of ‘progress’ or revelation and oshos undeniable energy—-
this was and is promoted by the great khan himself……
but consequently watching your ass is your own affair..and no one ever mentions openly in public forums at these centres, the back stabbing malicious usury in the name of religion.which unfortunately most if not all humans are prone to..its as if we are all at primary school again…
the payoffs can be good..more friends, greater self expression, networking , a new identity… even ..wait for it .. more love- !!!!
but the rip offs are huge too..
whilst in the normal world you can be part of the push and pull of not too much happiness negotiations..it is pretty obvious what is bullshit or not…
however
as a new blood in an osho centre it could take you years to develop a bullshit detector..
because its all being done in the name of love…..
even rebellion
but rebellion is never organized for you on a plate..paradoxically—
i have no idea what osho tapoban or its new offspring is like…..but from my experience the cutting words .. ‘stick my cock up your arse’ will never be forthcoming from an osho centre microphone ..like say a comedy stand up evening might have us enjoy…instead everything will be geared to the smooth running of the joint…..
when i participated in teaching at an osho school i was more than happy to openly threaten and intimidate anyone who told me what to do..acording to ideology/love/being a sannyassin /etc etc
and no it, my response, wasnt about sharing feelings but making sure everyone knew what to do in case of finding sabotaging beleief system corporate ideology and its emotional or sexual manipulation…
the ability to fight back openly if abused or harassed
im very satisfied i did that and continue that way of living and what i learnt from being around osho….and no you wont find that in any osho company statement…
and its much more powerful than all the isolationist jumping up and down cleansing meditations
hopefully..there are other good new stories like mine..i wonder though that having your own voice is not anathema to the whole osho social network from holland to poona to nepal… i really hope there’s an oasis somewhere…(.and i know of a few good souls who avoid all the glitzy goo gah and just like to meet with a few frenz to play with….
and im glad to remember a sannyassin is self declared..its not a legitimate licence by a recognizing authorty or a stamp of approval…unfortuantely all the ritualized ceremonies reenforce the notion of collective approval..and the ones i have attended make me sickk..similar to being stuck in an elevator with miten and premals oozing ego bollox tunes.. theres no escape….
stay playful and remember the cock up ur arse detector–
ps
life IS wonderful..
x
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Prem-good comments and I agree with you, but if we take everything so seriously I’d rather not live in this whole world at all which in my view is quite sick.
I go with “we see what we want to see”. Going to a place like Tapoban or Poona, for that matter, does not have to be anything anti or for. This obsession with being a rebellion for me is just another form of catharsis for kids. A child sees/feels something he does not like and he starts crying straight away. To me he is just not mature enough, otherwise why to make noise and waste energy which is so much needed?
Mind your own business!
that`s right
hanging with a cult is just the same as life everywhere.
just go for what you want ,love,power,chakra-cred,karmic kudos,cash,enlightenment,whatever,
humour the jerks when you have to,,
avoid the real assholes and
dont worry be happy…..
“Love Remains”
If you have loved me,
I will live with you forever.
In your love, I will live.
If you have loved me,
my body will disappear but I cannot die for you.
Even if I am gone I know you will search for me.
Yes, I can trust you will hunt for me in every stone and flower,
in every eye and star…
And I can promise you one thing:
if you hunt for me,
you will find me – in every star and every eye –
because if you have really loved a Master,
you have moved into eternity with him.
The relationship is not of time; it is timeless.
There is going to be no death.
My body will disappear,
your body will disappear –
that will not make any change.
If the disappearance of the body makes any change,
it simply shows that love had not happened.
Love is something beyond the body.
Bodies come and go, love remains.
Love has eternity in it – timelessness, deathlessness.
OSHO
The Divine Melody, chapter 10
These are the words of OSHO.
When was the last time, the organisation representing His name has published such quotations.
WHY they don´t do it?
If they are not agreeing with the words, expressions and feelings of their Master, what right they have to impose their dogma over the vast majority of His people.
Patient has died two decades ago, dosctor is still charging the fee…
It is not gentlemanly.
chetna…
i notice your evasiveness and
i oppose it
i notice your strategy and investment and i oppose it
im having my fun
at my expense… not yours..
nice of you to oppose that…
Yes, and I notice that there is no mention of the nuclear power plant.
martyn, it looks like you went to sannyas school at the insistance of your sannyasin parents good intentions.
It is very natural if you show your rebelliousness to prove your own identity.
Technically speaking, Osho was given to you as a heritage, it was not your own earning. How a man of soul can appreciate the inner journey given but not earned.
Same is about me.
Even if the good intentions of Ashram Management has done all the possible ways to sell their 24 Carrot Osho, it is not more than a dust..because how dare they give the refined floor, whereas the joy lies in sowing and reaping one´s own wheat.
i¨ll reply tomorow shantam.. and i like your inference of unearned grace….plus gratitude…thats the opening
more later…
nite
Would some learned sannyasin will shed some light over Mr. Chuck Spezzano, founder of Psychology of Vision.
I came to know about this through one of the friend and feel amazed how well run the structure is.
It seems western mind is expert in creating franchise system out of small small things.
And yes..they burn the toast and the Omallete if they cook Indian product.
No need to say, all the export quality Indian gurus are rolling in the foot notes of the Time, From Aurbindo´s Pondicharry to Osho´s Poona, inbetween Mehar baba or Mahesh yogi. The western mangement has simply curbed their growth.
May be they have put too much white paint over the black crows.
It is an open secret that more than 90% of the regular resort goers(Indians plus westerns) complain about the shrinked heart of the managers.
But they only whisper, never say too loud because the fear of getting banned creeped IN.
I just want to ask these ladies and gentlemen( to say Ma´s and Swami´s will be too degrading the spirit of Osho), Is this the quality of Osho´s vision of sannyas.
Do the impotant silence has the quality of SILENCE?
Shantam, be quiet! Can’t you see everyone else is fast asleep?
Lol, Let us go on gossiping silently.
Only the jailors have the right to disturb the sleep of inmates.
OshoTapoban or humanversity or Osho Nisarga, i have no idea how much is private property and how much is a joint trust.
Bt as far as Osho Pune is concerned it is a collective heritage of Sannyasins, even though few people have invested their life long savings and investments.
Therefore i envisioned the institution where every year, management team invites through an open notice, ” Dear Friend(s), if you feel that you will prove better managers to run this place according to our Master´s vision, please walk in and take the seat.”
Without doubt this generosity and letting go of the mantal will go a long way to create a true meritocracy in the world.
As it looks in the word of spiritual institutions, monks sitting on the throans are as greedy and lusty for control as any wall street manager.
With that news, can we all vomit now? but first, what nepali politicians have visited? The overthrown group or the neo-maoists? Gotta get my face in the local newspaper just to let everyone know I’m “spiritual”….. just about to upchuck now….. talk to you guys later…
I allowed myself to be persuaded to go to a satsang the other day. The satsang-giver was called Samdarshi. I found the whole affair to be like some sort of bizarre three dimensional joke.
I sat unblinking for a while watching this man go through his moves. It was like watching Osho, although the voice destroyed the illusion. People sat nodding their heads like metronomes as this ‘spiritual master’ delivered an hour and a half discourse in response to two very simple questions. The thing is, most of it was a mish-mash of Osho stories that at times lay in stark contradiction to one another. Yet, by the end of the satsang some people were moved to tears.
For a while I wondered if I had turned into a complete cynic, because my bullshit meter was going into the red. I thought the man was a complete phoney. I wonder if anyone would care to comment on this, because sometimes I think I’m just a jaded Scotsman.
i agree with guru palak…
only 24 carrot osho should be allowed.
the whole thing is going bananas…..
the buggers must not bugger our fruit trees…
they have put beef fat in our malas…
come on shantam…
spirit of `57..
talk is cheap…
get your chuddies on
get your kirpan sharpened..
and sort out hese boozed-up whiteys who are destroying our religion…….
death by bonga bonga is too good for `em……
well, duncan mcdiogenes,
you may be a cynical jaded scotsman.
but four words spring to mind….
the emperor`s new clothes.
Ha ha! What ever you guys say, its a commune in Paradise, a lot of effort has been put into building this commune. Even though none of you appreciate, does not make any difference. A rose is a rose is a rose!
And Shantam, I see you are still talking about Pune and its blah blah heritage. I know its a beautiful place, but unfortunately get over it man! If they could do anything (besides creating trouble for all) they could have done already. There is no hope that they are going to pitch in and not that anyone is expecting them to do so.
All are indeed welcome to experience Osho Tapoban and Osho Upaban for meditation and celebration and to get a taste of Osho.
Love
Samdharshi came to England a few years ago. An Osho clone. Self deluded, I’d say, but in too deep to stop. I don’t know how anyone who’s been with Osho could take him (Samdharshi) seriously. Samdharshi – more like Shamdharshi.
Shamdharshi….now that I can relate to.
Isn’t this the same Samdarshi who was thrown out when he went to visit the ranch a couple of years ago?
Yo Krishnananda–A lot of effort went into building the “Wolf’s lair” , the Berlin Wall, The Roman Coliseum and Madam Rosie’s Woopie Parlor… So what… do you construction workers, administrators, slave drivers, et.al. want a medal for your efforts? A pat on the back? Your names posted on the sannyanews web site? What? come here so I can give you a swift kick in your ass–hole!!!
Are you sure your not Sw. Rajneesh in disguise? or Pope Polack the II ?
Krishananda wrote Ha ha! What ever you guys say, its a commune in Paradise, a lot of effort has been put into building this commune. Even though none of you appreciate, does not make any difference. A rose is a rose is a rose!
Why do you think none of us appreciate…….we talk about pune and its heritage because commune in pune is source.
These new centers are fine, but one should not forget the source and golden past .
All the osho centers are branches of that big tree which once stand tall in sky.
osho told us to leave ugly past behind , but not golden past.
Anugrah, you say: commune in pune is source.
Source of what exactly? If you want to return to the past and look for a source of the sannyas movement why not go back a step further to Osho’s Mumbai apartment on Malabar Hill.
Krishnananda is using the right expression when he quotes that a rose is a rose etc, and therefore surely it follows that the past is the past etc, be it golden or ugly it is the past ,and ugly and golden are in themselves relative terms delivered via your conditioned mind.
Joking apart, I think everyone who contributes to this blog, except for one or two fools who have their heads stuck so far up their yazoos that they are blind, are perfectly aware that the setting for this new sannyas commune is probably one of the most beautiful in the world.
All this Poona ‘heritage’ programme that some of you are running on sounds like a load of cobblers to me, because one has to maintain a very incomplete picture of past events to carry around such a notion. Osho’s message was an inner one and had nothing to do with setting up or maintaining monuments to the past. Sannyas has in my opinion nothing to do with the past but rather having the guts to live for this very moment.
its a shame we moved on so quickly from Paritosh’s forthcoming posthumous book on acid…
I was just reading a review of it ..he was a grand soul in his abilities to cover the acid /situationist/ thence osho experiences….
i didnt know him ..only met once…didnt really know who he was until it was too late…..
in reply to those who still want something from Osho
the krishnanandas and the chetnas…
i wish you good luck…
To just be absolutely clear on the difference between me and the yea sayers and the mish mash of human interaction in so called communes….
the theory and ideology i follow is this:
people like me prefer parody..
total and complete waste of time parody
in your face self ,collective and any other parody
das is Klar ja?
when was the last time any therapist or commune leader parodied themselves and their munificence
i trust you will agree thats a
simple definition
of what turns me on…..
and why i avoid collective ‘heart searching’ bed hopping betraying nonsense in the name of a religious community
Osho never parodied himself at least not with a declaration of look out guys here’s a parody of me for you all to enjoy….
if you’re enlightened you probably definitely dont give a stuff anyway about what anyone thinks…
trouble is he became a model for all the wannabes… thats :..ALL the therapists ..yes i mean all of them every single last idiot of them… not an ounce of self parody to weigh between them..
and the meditators…..oooohh how serious are they… we are in our hearts… we are watchers…(have.come out of kundalini recently and heard anyone say… well that was a waste of time?? i dont think so…)
even just as a tease.??.. no parody is served to ridicule the powers that be in that awful thing called ‘normal society ‘.( a good start ).but never your own community.. oh no… theres too much at stake…
and all the other psychoguruwannabes i dont mention the mental asylums are full.. why pay money??
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Yo Bubbie i really like the one about the arse licking of the Tapoban centre leader Arun to Nepal’s prime minister and the army cadres… i made mention of that many months ago too…
xtra babepoints to u
—
shantam
personally im really glad osho is dead.. i didnt want him screwing with the rest of my relationships for the second half of my life like he did with the first half… just like a part of me is glad both my parents are dead.for other reasons. so in that there might be some connection to what you say about expectations …
ive never heard anyone be offensive about the great khan..some of his legacy was and is shit… no need to be grateful for everything .. im not here to fulfil a sannyasin role….or to discover the universe by shutting my mouth..in holy reverence… if he was still alive id like to tell him personally…..in western style profanity…..
so i try my best to shake things up…one day someone will be glad im dead..maybe even me !!!! big deal i’ll be dead…i wont care…
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Frank i never hear enough from you… its always great to hear a recluse talk… though just like we know bubbie reads theosophy books in the slash can closet out back… can we please know more of your pedigree…your ejaculations of insight burn into my 3rd eye.. but i cant get enough of them.. please write at length…
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Lokesh
i thought you said you were buying the next round….oh your wallets stuck with superglue…
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Anyone like the joe cocker vid…?
look after yerselves y’all
apologies for the grammar and spelling mistooks..
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im not going until someone posts a thumbs up ‘like’ to this vid
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krishnananda,
who are all those guys dressed in army uniform in the youtube video of upaban?
frank
they are the dancing troupe known as Aruns friends in high places…..he also has a fan in the cabinet of ministers of Belarus.
…there, if you meditate in silence they are nice to you.. but if you protest on the streets they break legs…..same cabinet of ministers different meditations….
martyn,
you have a point about the self-parody.
humour is as “sacred as prayer” only when it is not directed at the therapist or guru!!
osho said that the real humour was laughter at onesself.
yet,can anyone give me an example of one occasion when osho laughed at himself?
of course,devoted disciples see this kind of inquiry as negativity.
that`s why,in their book the fault always lies in the other,the “rotten society” the inner circle who are “destroying osho`s vision” “the ego” “the mind” etc..etc….
or the latest one,endorsed by arun,that western sannyasins “abused the freedom that osho gave”.
the holy self-image has to be kept intact at all costs,even when you are working to destroy your own ego!!
which of course includes blaming others,however subtly or unsubtly….
arun also said he knows that osho would not have asked for the pyramids in pune to be painted black as he knows that osho didn`t like the colour and it is negative.
krishnananda?
what is that all about?
sounds like sub-theosophical mumbo jumbo to me..
but it serves to prove to his followers that he is right and the rivals are wrong……
these neo-hindu tapoban guys,let us call them the tappers.
they just cant let go of that singalong hare krishna rub a bit of red ash into your forehead stuff,can they?
what a conditioning!!
to me,these guys dont look any different to hassidic jews whacking themselves over the head with a dead chicken as a way of getting to heaven.
will you get to “drop the ego” by enacting the kind of daft social rituals that create the ego in the first place?
you can try…..
martyn,
i enjoyed joe cockupthearse`s version of “into the dipstick” very much.
thanks.
Och, who the hell put super glue on my sporran flap? I’m sorrry lads you’ll have to pay for the drinks. Now where did I leave my lipstick?
frank:
yet,can anyone give me an example of one occasion when osho laughed at himself?
SD:
Maybe there wasn’t actually all that much of a ‘self’ to laugh at?
And if there was, what the hell are we or any others doing around ‘sannyas’ anyway?!
anugrah:
we talk about pune and its heritage because commune in pune is source.
These new centers are fine, but one should not forget the source and golden past .
All the osho centers are branches of that big tree which once stand tall in sky.
osho told us to leave ugly past behind , but not golden past.
SD:
If one were a sort of spiritual mentor, a teacher even, and wanted a fine example of one of the things a ‘seeker’ (apologies for this word, btw) would be well advised to avoid, you almost couldn’t wish for a better example than this one. Congratuations, Anugrah!
A wonderful snapshot of the attached mind, with all its sentimental yearning for what has gone, the dead past.
No rose-coloured specs required for this man then, his imagination does the job brilliantly!
satya deva
what u say about osho’s self
is called semantical claptrap to get out of a squeeze
its rhetorical and leads to the usual evasive brush offs, of daily life around osho wannabes and hide and seekers…
spiritual claptrap includes :
dont like the result… avoid the conclusion…
So he didnt exist.. now pay the drinks bill..and we can all leave… cheers
sd : “what are we or others doing around sannyas anyway?”
cos we`re mugs……
unenlightened,unconscious,delusional mugs…
perfect and complete cockupthearse idiots…
“those who realize their folly are not the true fools”
–chuang tsu
Agreed, frank!!
Not sure I agree with you though, Martyn…
Why are/were you ever with Osho? For the women? His jokes?
Nothing better to do? The therapy? His intellectual expertise?
What was/is his intrinsic attraction?
i got born…
…..a failure
you’ve flummoxed me there SD…
guess its back to the enlightenment intensive week with thin lemon verbena tea ..
i’ll get back to you when ive got the answer….
last time the answer was ‘ ?>%@? ?ting ting’ but it might have changed since then….
sd
this could run and run.. do u have a monthly broadband or is it pay as u go? These sorts of questions and answers are charged by your isp at national call rate… can you hang on??
L .. u .. v .. S .. D
C .. Tao
No, no, don’t be daft, my friends will pay the bill. That will be a double Glenfiddoch, and dinnae be puttin any ice in there. You’ll ruin ma drink.
I’ve only known you for five minutes and yer the best pal I’ve ever had.
Oh, Kavita, has anyone…burp!…ever told ye that ye have beautiful…. hic!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
:-0 .. my Locky boy .. j .u . s . 4 .u
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Kavita you are back…
thanks for the goodtimes babe… i have to admit that i missed you so much that i decided to become you for a while… they call it transnetual behaviour…
im currently sitting at my computer underneath snow covered mountains .. enjoying the beauty and wonder……
and fingering my fishnet stockings as i write ….
and i must admit its really rather lovely being you….
isn’t life great??
Marty Boy … ‘ Gee .. U . R . U ‘
O .. U S e d .. U .. K .. P
“Man lives such a dull and drab life that he wants some sensation.
Those who are a little wiser, they read scientific fiction or detective stories.
Those who are not so wise, they read spiritual fiction”-
OSHO
Like always i started my computer with the Osho quotation. For this, osho.com is my first site, and its utility lies in 15 seconds of Osho´s words.
I think..the words of Osho are enough to say, why some of us go to travelling “spiritual” teachers and their Satsang business, The table dance for the soul. it is a pathetic scene to see the proud western people giving Lap dances to these highly mediocre leaders.Truth they may not get but some kind of brain Virus definitely.
I was thinking the whole day, whether it is a Jungian desire for Power or the Buddha´s idea of compassion behind such entrepreneurship or whether the demand creates the supply or the supply finds its own market.
T E A … R S .. OF .. G8T .. I .. To ..DE .. I .. Q .. B .. ALL
The death of Pune as it was during Osho´s life time is a definate source of relief for many, just like, if someone is unable to get some particular person as lover, the death of that person brings some sigh of relief.
That which i could not have, nobody else is also not getting.
Creating and spreading richness is a tremendous creative endeveour. Those who can not particiapte in this process, prefer old soviet Russia kind of system.
Such people are quite vocal at sannyas scene too.
sd :”maybe there wasn`t that much of a self to laugh at”
sd that statement is as lame as a one-legged theosophist in an astral arse-kicking contest.
obviously,you couldn`t come up with an example of osho laughing at himself.
so “no” would have been a better answer….
kavita these texts msgs u r sndng jst dnt mk cents…
but try this…
bby wnts t fk u ….
ok ?
isnt lif grt ?
When a prostituion dies, does her customers weep?
No, why they should weep. With a certain amount, one can always hire someone else.
Only a emotional bond, a quality of love makes people weep and mourn.
Who says everybody who changed his bloody name and got Mala, was also emotionally bonded with OSHO.
Yet, it is also a fact every bond is a unseen chain, it is surrundering one´s free will.
But where lies the free will, we go on surrundering before our partners, children, even the person who provides job opportunity.
FRANK .. Lee .. S ..H . U .. T .. U .. P .. WILL .. U
Chronic dis-ease of the punters, SP, something that not even 24 hours phone-in radio stations, promises of health, wealth and happiness from New Age entrepreneurs, or even regular counselling sessions can successfully treat for long…
Great quote, btw!
T I M E .. 2 .. G .. O .. NOW .. DO NOT MISS .. THIS TIME
frank:
sd :”maybe there wasn`t that much of a self to laugh at”
sd that statement is as lame as a one-legged theosophist in an astral arse-kicking contest.
obviously,you couldn`t come up with an example of osho laughing at himself.
so “no” would have been a better answer….
SD:
I tend to disagree, Frank (excuse me while I light my pipe and adjust my grey flannel trousers)…
You quite clearly, self-evidently and incontrovertibly, have no valid conception of the, er, ‘enlightened consciousness’.
Consequently, sir, your original question is based on a false premise.
Now, if you’ll excuse me, my toast is burning and then I have several essays to mark….
WHY TAPOBAN OR OSHO COCOM etc.CANNOT HAVE WIDER APPEAL?
Because a branch can never be as thick as the root of a tree.
Will someone travel few thousand kilometers so that one can have a tiled bathroom and clean comode?
I think, few will do, specially if they are born and brought up in poorest parts of the world.
For the rest, these basic things are as taken for granted as to say, God is everywhere.
So if some establishment says, come meditate and celebrate with us, it implies also, where you live, the place is so rotten and dry that the possibilty of meditation and celebration does not exist.
If people go somewhere, for first time it can be just a touristic curiosity but for the repetition one needs to develop some inner bonding with the people and places.
In this sense, those few hundred people who have developed some bond with the founders of these places will surely feel excited to have such possibility, for rest it is nothing more than new construction sites here and there.
HI…I`M A PRE-10-TIOUS–SPIRI2AL AIRHEAD….
GOIN SHOPPING IN NR,VANA…C U…..
SD
did you mean why or how or when i am/is/was with osho that the self of the love that expanded in the joy kept the tears of open …. oh dear its getting confusing… putting into words
try this
osho tries experiment with other peoples lives
gets himself killed
and we have to argue amongst ourselves for the time remaining on planet Zog
you mean the self that doesnt fuck for a living or the one that does.. im so confused….
SD please explain….and show photos of before and after…
otherwise i might not care less… which could be life threatening….
hellpppp i need a masterrrrrrr
actually,i can remember a couple of occasions off the top of my head where osho pointed humour at himself.
on the ranch,he said in discourse,one day
“every man is hen-pecked(pause)and i mean every man”(with emphasis on “every”.
people laughed.
at which joke,i ask?
also,remember when he posed for a photo shot of himself laughing and holding on to the handlebars of a small motorcyle in greece?
shoortly after the ranch/riolls royce demise.
that was agood one.
“no self to laugh at…”
hohohoho,these satsang junkies,they`ll say anything to keep getting their fix….
KrishnaNanda, be sure, i am using my words more prudently than most of other Osho writers and speaker. Out of this neither i am getting power, money or sex in return.
So the words are the intact power capsules. They have not sold their soul. There time will come.
Every age and time have their own David versus Goliath fight.
With the best compliments to others, i am definitely convinced..my words will be the source of change at the Base at 17, Koregaon Park, Pune.
Shantam is the Name of Osho´s Parchnada!
The source is not the blood thirsty Maoist philosphy but OSHO, Pure Osho.
yes,your words will shake the very sannyas world to its foundations,o shantam.
the chuddies of the inner circle are already heavily stained at the thought of having to confront the terrifying reality of your words….
your concept of 24 carrot osho has already shaken amrito to the core
“what`s up doc?”…
rest assured shantam that you are pure osho,unsullied by the filthy western ignoramouses who have watered down osho`s gold to the consistency of moraji desai`s morning lassi….
i am glad that you are not getting any money power and sex for your part in this….
but,were you getting any anyway…?
We human beings have a inbuilt desire to relate with some person or cause.
If it is not Shakira´s hips than it must be Britinay spears-Perky Tits.
If some guy, the wise guy, the intelligent white and therefore “wise” guy feels it is no good for disciple´s soul to relate with dead Osho´s image-what will be left than..
People will relate to Jesus, Krishna or Buddha.
Old religious beiefs are reviving themselves.
Long live Old man and woman.
Holy books are still holy, Osho´s books are good for Xmas gifts.
Frank as it is in every country´s politics, Only those fight for some cause who are well fed in their belly and few inches down.
Bus conductors, pilots and nurses etc. fight only for their wage hike.
Let me know..where you stand?
From those to whom much is given, much is expected!
Luke 12:48 (New International Version)
48But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.
Such simple and small small sentences have inspired the people of Jesus to change the face and body of earth.
These people have believed ” let us make the earth as it is in the heaven.”
With passage of time, the generation next, who were reaping the fruits of their ancestors sweat, went to the guru of Air condtitioned comfort, thinking it will be “Cool”.
and just in 20 years, time has shown.. it is no cool to be a Osho sannyasins.
God bless the Osho Vatican-Pune, New York, Zürich.
thats why he got himself killed.. so that we could do whatever we want….
.
i do
its more fun than religion
and im better off now than in any commune… with or without no self searching…
im grateful to acid im grateful to osho’s energy but not his social experiment… my address book is empty… and thats great
well,shantam.
osho also thought westerners were cool.
right from the get-go,when he first met a european couple on a train in the 60s,he was impressed with their relaxed unmarried,open,friendly style – a way of being that he had never in his life up to that point encountered…
due to indian “religious” attitudes.
osho deliberately reached out to such westerners.
he is on the record to have take the side of hippies aginst the criticism of his indian selfrighteous fellows.
when he got himself a girlfriend,she was fair fair and from the uk home counties….
no orgasm-free desi brides for him!!!
in bombay he had to speak about sex as if he was a celibate,or he would have been beaten with sticks by your religious countrymen.
maybe he was celibate at that time,but seeing his later life,it was only due to the fascistic pressure of your oh-so religious countrymen…
so his overtures to westerners…just to enlighten the western soul,at no advantage to him?
btw.osho was the one who was keen to boast about having “air-conditioned”comfort.
and in the sixties in india,that meant,a fan !!!
and yes,all that is deemed “good” for us now,luxury,medicine,freedom… has been paid for with enormous suffering and sweat of our ancestors,(and,i would add, co-inhabitants of the planet)
this is a favourite theme of osho`s favourite philosopher, neitzsche……
so…..?
lokesh..
r ye fegging staggerin in thay street man,….?
wots mekin yees keep saay silent… have yees go’ a woman on yer tibura o^wot?
ps kavita says:
isnt life marvellous
the old acid thread got whooshed away too quick….
to try to weave the threads together…
does anyone know whether there was any truth in the story that osho,like ramdas` old blanket guy,took some acid?
on the ranch,was it?
his choice of drugs was,like his choice of cars and secretaries,maybe not so great!
he was taking sleeping pills to “balance his conscious and unconscious mind” back in the late sixties,apparently..
the account is in his life story on the oshoworld site…..
just looking at the doolali-tappers video….
these hindu holy ash on the end of your nose guys are really severely past their sell-by date….
these characters could do with a shot of ayahuasca,shrooms or acid,for sure….
5000 years chanting the same tuneless song?
gimme a break!
ho he ho he ho he, ur jus as dronk as me
ho he ho he ho he, headinfer th` deep bluu sea…..
Och, away with yees. Kavita a loves you…ah want to be yer lucky boy. Of course I’ll have another wee whisky…the lads wull pay fur it…burp! Enlightenment, as seen through a botul…I belong tae Poona, good auld Pona toon, a couple o’ drinks oan a thursday night an’ Poona belongs tae me…….burooof! Aw fuk….av jist thrown up over ma freshly washed sporran…..buuuuuroop!
good work frank, respect…
rare to see a person make a criticism here at sannyas news (‘osho never laughed at himself’), and then turn quickly around after some retrospective viewing, and come up with examples to show the opposite (‘every man is hen-pecked’…’EVERY’…, and the motorbike photo in Greece).
i can think of a lot more examples…how about the whole neo-sannyas movement he created, replete with orange clothes, new names, a mala with his photo that has to be worn publicly, and the capper…”I will be known through my sannyasins”, when he knew damn well his sannyasins were a motley crew of international misfits with livestyles that would make Scotland Yard’s ‘Rogue Gallery’ blush a few shades of deep crimson. Now there’s a parody that would make Monty Python look like a bunch of Shakespearian thespians out for a tour of the quaint playhouses of merry ol’ England in the summertime.
bob,
hahaha.
that`s where my argument falls to the ground!!!
talking against religion like krishnamurti was one thing.
setting one up and then watching it collapse like a deck of cards…..
genius…
do you remember the scene in “zorba the greek” when they build the contraption to get the wood down from the hills,and on the day it opens every dignitary,representatives from the monastery and everybody is there and it all crashes to the ground?
after the mayhem had finished, zorba and the boss just piss themselves laughing and end up dancing on the beach….
i can see osho as a young man in a cinema in india watching that one over and over in 1960-61-63……
must have stuck in his mind……
frank:
“no self to laugh at…”
hohohoho,these satsang junkies,they`ll say anything to keep getting their fix….
SD:
Ah, young man, you need to open your eyes and pay more attention, sir! I actually wrote “not much of a self”, not “no self”…
A tiny, tiny one, sir, tiny, tiny – you surely know what I mean?
Have good fix, sir, enjoy!!
sorry,
no=mind
It’s like this, sir frank, sir:
You, me – everybody – bloody big self!
Bhagwan Shree – tiny one, sir! Just enough, no more….
sd
you seem to be a bit of an expert in this field.
is enlightenment a sort of reverse macho locker-room game?
whack your “self” on the table,and the guy with the smallest one wins?
What do you mean, they ran away without paying the bill? Burp!
Tonight’s words of praise come from Chogyam (let’s smoke a chillum) Trungpa.
‘You only arrive at the other shore when you finally realize there is no other shore. In other words, we make a journey to the ‘promised land’, the other shore, and we have arrived when we realize we were there all along. It is very paradoxical.’
Now pass me that bottle and I’ll sing you all a real song.
frank:
sd
you seem to be a bit of an expert in this field.
is enlightenment a sort of reverse macho locker-room game?
whack your “self” on the table,and the guy with the smallest one wins?
SD:
Yes, well…you’re, er…on the correct lines, sir…in a way…perhaps…
Bit of a way to go…
Interesting perspective…
Er, a bit more reading might be an idea…?
sd: reading?
no chance….
you can stick that up yr base chakra,i`m looking for some proper non-dual action here,mate….
more psychedelic trips
all-night dancing..
lots of mind-blowing tantric sex
a dodgy get-rich-quick scheme like dope running or a pyramid scheme..
or at least getting to sit on stage with a bunch of losers paying to see me do my serious stare and talk bollocks and occasionally shag their girlfriends..
reading…?.
my arse…..
Oh dear – the younger generation…
Have I and my contemporaries all lived in vain?
(Never mind, Saturday’ll soon be here…We’ve got Man City away – who’ve your lot got?)
Alternative response:
So, you’ve seen the Light at last, Frank, and put all that Indian nonsense behind you…
I always knew you’d settle down to a career in local government one day…
Welcome home, son!
So there I was, nearly 3am, still not in bed, just rounding off my night meditation and…I just had to get to the computer and write that (and this)…
Now you really know what a sad old git I’ve become….
(Never mind, Saturday’s almost here).
hey Satya Deava, how the fuck are you?…. now on to more important things!!
Lokesh, this new ashram maybe located in the world’s most beautiful location, but it’s also known as bait….
frank- have you been possessed by Osho’s ghost? Throw that bum out, quick, before you start fucking everyone’s girlfriend… A.K.A. “The 3 minute egg”.
It’s 3 a.m. SD deary, it is Saturday… now you just keep on the late night meditations, you’ll get it eventually!!!
‘You only arrive at the other shore when you finally realize there is no other shore. In other words, we make a journey to the ‘promised land’, the other shore, and we have arrived when we realize we were there all along. It is very paradoxical.’
When Mr. Chogyam can say this, M/s. Samdarshi, Samarpan and Bros. can say this-what is stopping you Lokesh, to say such paradoxies before the audience of two till two hundred.(all the sannyas sellers are like Iran made Squd missiles, range is not more than few hundred people)
May be you can also make few people shed tears, finally they found someone to relate-Sri Lokesh.
MAIN KEHTA ANKHAN DEKHI
( I say what i see)
This tille is one of the master pieces of osho´s work regarding esoteric, occult and mysterious issues of spiritual journey.
Because it is in Hindi, therefore, is not talked or reffered by those who are proud to have English as there one and only language.
In a simple language, Osho has explained the esoteric meaning behind the statues, the scinece of temple creations etc., almost similar to the hard ware which makes our internet works.
One does not need to be in the freindly terms with Google founders to avail the benefits. But creating an account before signing in, is similar to INITIATION.
He has also shed the light on the tragic comedy in the words of religious organisations. Due to over zealiousness of the preachers and followers, somewhere locks have been broken somewhere keys have gone lost.
So to avoid the locks and keys issues, the scientific bent of Osho decided to have the numbered locks.
Is this has sorted out the perinnial issue?
Does not look like. All the spokepersons have understood a different number….
The most mysterious organisations go shut down because of small technical problems.
Jail bait?
heeye yooz guyyzzz…
Im too busy shaggin…..
but i hirr yuz boyzz frrem the street arguing the tosss.. can ye no’ feggin keep tha noise doon…ma ears er burnin from the mass o bollox been swung aroon… have ye no ahdeaa o’the taimmm …
… feggin spratchewel seegers…
spratchewel feggin gooroo debaters … gayye fegging go master-bating summuz eelse
feggers
..oh aye….
an u suck ma deva too ,feck’ol
ps bubbie
heilige nacht.
the extract above as reportedly
written on the banks of the Kyle of Loch Alsh by the Laird of Lokesh.
ps i dont need anyone at the moment… ( because im well shagged out)
kisses kavita,..
life is so great….and nice
“Vocation, profession or Compassion”
It was not the sense of discontent with the religious atmosphere i was born into, but a curiosity to know the other aspects of life that i went on purchasing lots of second hand books during my B.A years.
But to search for a living Master was beyond the question, on the contrary i was thinking these guys have more entrepreneurship than the paid priests or may be some accumulated good Karma that out of mediocrity they have created the army of followers behind them.
Only when i read J Krishnamurti or Osho, the pride and ego simply fell down by itself. These two were the people, i sensed a sense of compassion behind their work.
Both were living a good life but it was not possible for me to say, ” Suckers are living on other people´s gullibility.”
What they were giving was always more than what they have ever taken in terms of comfort or luxury.
After the demise of J Krishnamurti, i have not heard a single name, who is whirling around the world on a lecture tours.
Whereas after the demise of Osho, compared to small number of disciples, proportionality a large no. of Samdarshis and Dolanoas are whirling around the world.
If the intimate band of disciples who were with Osho like a shadow for decades would have gone on a mission, it would have been easier to understand.
So as a part of Osho´s shrinking movement(at least i see it like this), i am curious to know whether these FINDERS are motivated by a deep sense of compassion or it is a push to have a cushy profession.
What motivates these reality stars of new age spirituality?
SHUT .. UP .. StuPid ..
pa .. ra .. sites .. here & every where . . . . . . . . . . .
kavita…
u have a broken keyboard?
or u talk in code..
…how are your shoes?
ps are they wonderful?
l .. Dont ,, need .. l .. dont .. go .. Out
A note for all contributors here:
Following recent scurrilous reports in the media that Osho was in fact dead , Sannyas news is happy to report that he is actually alive and well and currently living in his people…
So as to prevent such malicious gossip in the future from confusing anyone the editors of sannyas news have decided to offer a weekly calendar of front line reports from Osho’s people .Offering insights on the best meditational experiences that Osho’s people are having.. alone or in his centres around the world..
We begin this week with a a contribution from Ma Kavita
Sannyas news Meditators forum PRESENTS :
My Daily Meditation: by Ma Kavita..
Today i woke up feeling myself as usual.
As you probably have already guessed i am a regular meditator. A lot of people actually phone me up during the day and begin meditating on the phone .At least thats what i think the heavy breathing is. Usually the caller ends the ‘session’ as i like to call these interludes with an intake of fresh air, and a sound similar to Yahooo..
But anyway i’d like to describe my meditational moments for you dear readers as a little sharing, from my heart to yours…a mini highlight to help you offload.. like my callers…
Today was different.. i woke up …
….then i immediately started meditating…like i was in the no-mind space immediately… usually i like to paint my nails to achieve this state in preparation for going in…. but today was different.
All of a sudden there it was….
I had achieved nothing..
(Which , strangely my dear school teachers had always predicted i would,)
Yes
there i was fully awoken from deep sleep..just like Osho explains in the ..ahhh ..oh.. u know somewhere in well u know .. that book ..go find it yourselves if you are so clever .. anyway…
.sitting on the edge of my bed
not painting my nails not doing anything useful like that…
and i heard a voice call… at first i thought it was me calling to myself from a higher plane….
the voice kept calling
Cooeee Kavitteeee its mee
Yes Yes I realised this is me I am I am… finally awoken……
then
the door swung open a bright light entered in
Was this going to be it … goodbye world hello nirvana i asked myself????
Kavita hunny bun.. (I recognised the voice.instantly).. it was my ex ex ex ex…( a lover from three nights ago)
‘ Wait a minute i told him … I’m having a peak experience..’
‘Can I have a peek too ? he offered, unsurprisingly’
Well of course i like to share my aloneness, so of course everything just took off from there dear readers…
First he took off my shoes
then he took off my barbie doll nightie.. then…
————
Okay thats enough from todays front line meditators forum…
Later we will be having a letter competition entitled..what happened in Dynamic on Thursday…
The best letter wins a case of Aruns instant chai mix fresh from Ladakh..
Keep those letter coming
the editors
Ah woke up this morning with the mother in ma bed….the mother of all hangovers. When a checked oot ma sporran, all ma muney was gone. Am in a bit o’ a nay mind space, because a cannae remember onything aboot last night. But a seem tae remember like flashs. Something about Bubbie, Frank and Martyn leavin me tae pay the bill….the way o’ the fookin white cloud right enough. Now am broke but a still have my wee Kavita tae keep me warm in my flight of the alone tae the all one. Is this the nature of enlightenment, that only losers can win at this game? Ooooh! My poor heid. It is burstin like a hammer oan the rok. is their nay rest fur the wicked. Now where did I leave that whisky bottle….there were a few drops in it….hair of the maya an aw that comick stuff. I think am gonne be sick.
Dear Kavita and Shantam,
I think, you people feel pleasure to waste your time and energy amongst the stupids and idiots. Is it true ?
Dear Kavita and Shantam,
You have great stimina to be amidst ABC XYZ.
Bravo.
chin .. this is All .. maya .. u idiot . . . ( : anyway . . .
We can’t all be brilliantly enlightened beings like you, Chinmaya. Have a little compassion for us simple folks,,,,burp!
Chinamya, i don´t see any stupid or idiot neither here or any where else in the world.
But yes.. i see gold plated iron rings sold as “hallmark” gold in the world of inner longing.
So there are wolves and sheeps in the world, but not stupid and idiots.
And here at sannyasnews, all the writers are creating their style of writing. Much better than any Osho Times, the Sovier Era magazine on Glossy papers.
Shantam, babe, right on!
From .. now On .. We all .. will be Wonderful Beings .. not any animal / any other categOry .. & this .. Will apply to us .. Sannyas .. sINs ..
chinmaya,
remember.
the presence of the low caste xyz idiots here at sannyasnews is giving you the chance to be enjoying the feeling of being the superior lotus sitting above the mud….
our idiocy allows your superiority.
some gratitude would be in order…..
osho said more than once,if he had to choose between zorba and buddha he would choose zorba everytime….
and he did.
look at all the whackheads,dodgepots,half-chancers,potheads,boozers and pillpoppers he hung out with and endorsed…(bob`s scotland yard rogues gallery comes to mind).
and buddha? well,he kicked him out of his jacuzzi didn`t he?
a dull finickity guy with irritating sleeping habits according to osho.
buddha probably said to osho something like:
“why are you hanging out with these abc xyz idiots?”
osho evicted him on the spot,and rightly so….
And now it is time for a wee song from Milarepa.
‘If the thought of demons never rises in your mind, you need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within.’
But who evicted Osho from His own place?
Who is selling peacock feathers at Amazon to be decorated at book shelves?
The small town man from India wanted to change the wheels of religiousity, who punctured those wheels?
Buddha is still relevant through His imaginary statues, Original face of Osho has gone lost in the crowd.
And don’t forget the Lord Jesus, whose girlfriend, Mary Magdallen, was aparently a lass of ill repute.
The Rolling Stones!
Well when you’re sitting there in your silk upholstered chair
Talkin’ to some rich folk that you know
Well I hope you won’t see me in my ragged company
Well, you know I could never be alone.
Tame your mind within, Leave your shoes and mind outside…
If we could gauge the depth of love from the love songs at youtube; world has no demons, only the angels reside on the earth.
i was chatting with gottfried von purucker on the astral plane the other night….
he got out his copy of the akashik records,and we had a good look through it…..
we came to a section about the esoteric significance of osho`s samadhi….
the ascended masters have got it all worked out….
the rolls royce in the entrance signifies zorba….
the samadhi room cold and silent represents buddha…
and the dental room represents the third and final stage…..
let go back in your chair in a room full of mirrors where all you can see is reflections of yourself fom infinite different angles,
(that`s the world)…
keep breathing…
nitrogen,oxygen,a tiny bit of argon…
that`s all there is to it…
and having a bloody good laugh
and a cry,too………
Shantam, none of that stuff you are waffling on about is any of your business. Why not be concerned with your own original face?
You might do well to check your history too. You say Buddha is still relevant through His imaginary statues.
Bullshit. The Buddha requested that no images be made of him after he died, because he knew how stupid people are and that if statues are made they would start worshiping them. In much the same way as some wish to sanctify 17 koregaon park.
By chance came across few pages of Osho´s top lieutenants at facebook, advertising there meditation events in Italy.
Seems like the people, Osho nurtured for decades are happy to run Cigarette and magazine kiosks.
Cats will remain the cats, even if they get appointment letters as secretary general from Mr.Lion.
Thanks God.. Buddha´s statues are worshipped, otherwise people would have started worshiping those Tiny Zen gurus, manufactured by Honda Japan.
When too much theoratical Zen goes in the brain, psychology of humaity becomes distorted in one´s own brain cells.
beedi baba ran a real cigarette kiosk…..
he was enlightened…
wassa problem……?
your conditioned snobby anti-tobacco and lowcaste prejudices slipped out there shantam……..
quick,whack your self on the head with a tandoori or stick some holy red ash on the end of your nose……..
before guru palak catches you…..
Buddha requested no images of Him to be made after he died.
This original discourse in Buddha´s voice is available at Sony Entertaiment channel at cost price.
Life is really a beautiful journey when here say become our road maps.
When too much theoratical Zen goes in the brain, psychology of humaity becomes distorted in one´s own brain cells.
Ehm…Shantam, does it ever occur to you that some of your statements might have…ehm…something to do with you?
Guru Palak! Aieeeeee! Run for your life! It’s every man for himself!
Defination of Enlighenment-
If something mesmerises the western mind, it must be enlightenment.
People could find some Bidi seller as enlightend, why these discoverers did not go to interview the CEO of Philip Morris, this man must be beyond enlightenment.
Adoloscent guys like Frank looks at the tits and bushes photo at the recess time in the school and than go on dreaming, it must be the most beautiful woman on the earth.
Chinmaya:
Dear Kavita and Shantam,
I think, you people feel pleasure to waste your time and energy amongst the stupids and idiots. Is it true ?
Chinmaya:
Dear Kavita and Shantam,
You have great stimina to be amidst ABC XYZ.
Bravo.
SD:
Well said indeed, Chinmaya – I’ve thought along similar lines for some time, but couldn’t manage to raise enough grit or determination to say it myself.
Kavita, in particular, would appear in need of wise counsel.
Again, thanks – it was good to find at least someone here with a vestige of real spiritual sense (at last!).
Please come here more often!
Let us presume, Buddha requested His statues should not be made after his death.
One thing is clear, there was no photography technology was not developed till that time.
But as far as Osho is concerned, till His last, His face and gestures were continuously photographed.
Thousands of eye witnesses and circumstantial evidences are available.
Why In the first place, He allowed still and moving photography.
May be Buddha was a Buddha, Osho was just a narcissistic chap.
Here, here, I’ll second that. Damned idiots!
Shantam:
Defination of Enlighenment-
If something mesmerises the western mind, it must be enlightenment.
SD:
Substitute ‘human’ for ‘western’ there, SP, and you’ve got a decent enough idea….
you are right Satya Deva-
If something mesmerises the human mind, it must be enlightenment.
As far as i know from India, the wall street of religious business, disciples of most successful gurus don´t use Enlighenment, awakening kind of Neo Buddist terminology.
They treat their Master, ” As if God has taken birth to redeem the humanity. So any old Mantra or word given by Him becomes sacred, the code word to open the hidden doors.
Just the idea that someone has more devine power than me, is enough to create the vibes of happiness. Who does not want to have the most successful attorney by his side.
Redeeem humanity? It often occurs to me that humanity might be a biological accident that has worked its way into an existential cul-de-sac and that all of our religious concepts might be our way of imposing a form on a reality founded in chaos.
I agree with Satya. All this eastern/western mind label is wearing a bit thin.
Time for a cup of tea.
News Flash
the little known Al Zheimers Virus Terrorist Herpes Defence Group has released a scratchy video purporting to be from their leader Al Bin in de Khazi…
It reads..
We of the Al Zheimers Action in non Action group are determined not to forget the glorious memory of .err the our…
and furthermore…..
from now on all the erm things that…ah .i put them over here..what spoons..??. have prevented all the freedom loving peoples of the world to…take…appropriate.. next to the pots next to the pots next to the er umm
hang on a minute ..not spoons i meant erm those other things tha.. oh anyway
and if you carry on your evil western ways we will be forced .. no it definitely was spoons or something in the kitchen..or the bathroom…
—-
End of News Flash….
Lokesh, Idea of redemption is differant in differant cultures.
In India, the small real estate with one ffth population of the world, A Master is a redeemer, if business flourishes, son/daughter gets admission in some American university, corruption charges are suddenly droped from a civil servent disciple. In this case, no bribary, no wine or meat during master´s birthday.
Osho does not fullfiill such wishful basket, so no heart space for Osho. He is treated as a good philospher but not a master with prophetic power.
This is the reason, small band of people are controlling the whole of Osho´s work. Social backlash from the home country is not possible. There is no social or political force behind Acharya Rajneesh.
what time ….what energy !! what idiots!! these words can be expressed in a variety of tonal range, to create different effects…
isnt being a human being just great!
amazing
If anyone is visiting New Delhi, please, do visit Akshardham tample complex. The new addition in tourist map of India´s capital.
A small Hindu sect from Gujrat has built one of the most gignatic tample complex with a gold plated statue of their founder in the sanctrum sanctrum. Traditional Rama and Krishna statues also adore the hall.
Simlar tamples known as “SwamiNarayan Temples” are already in many US cities,
Those disciples who look at Osho´s picture with the idea of social boycott from the top brass will feel astonished.
Did the disciples of this sect have got their third eye opened?
Who cares about third eye. It is the improved business sense that matters.
They have got the most lucrative deals in the global business. Temples around the world are just a small gesture to say, Thankyou.
Kan .. u .. W B ‘s . . c . . announcement . . made . . by me earlier . . at . . Oct 22, 2010 at 7:58 pm . .
K // Oct 22, 2010 at 7:58 pm
From .. now On .. We all .. will be Wonderful Beings .. not any animal / any other categOry .. & this .. Will apply to us .. Sannyas .. sINs
Is it not be a beautiful world, where we have no name, family name, sannyasname. Everybody has only one alphabet as name,just like verybody is wearing the similar robe.
End of the individual egos. We are one like a country with 26 states.
Hey .. guys .. lam back .. to my .. normal self .. this is really 3 .. much .. it ‘s too dizzy .. UP .. there .. being .. K .. so l withdraw .. both statements .. anybody .. wants .. to B … or not B .. is up to U .. lam done 4 now .. good to be .. home .. Sweet .. home .. thanx for ur Support ..
wherever u r ..
Sooo, Prem Martyn/Kavita is now into spooning… what will he/she think of doing next?… eerr right Saya D.?
I knew it… Frankie baby has been possessed by Osho’s ghost all of this time…. p.s. how was buddha’s visit? did he like the joy ride in the rolls?
Kavita, i think your satsangs will sell like hot cakes. Lokesh must visit as speacial invitee or may be He sponsers your tour.
“Satsang with Kavita
in Ibiza”
shantam,
you`ve got me wrong there….
as an adolescent,i was the guy,with my mates,who used to steal porn mags(they were pretty soft in those days) from the shops,sell them to the other pupils.
then we would steal them back again off those guys and re-sell them to other pupils,and then re-stock the first guy…
you were the type of customer we would have had going for months…..
all the beer we could drink and chocolate we could eat…..
so now you can underatand how i came to be so knowledgable about the ways of “religion”……!!
as alan watts said…
gurus and priests pick your pocket,then sell you back your own watch…
I’m afraid Kavita’s message of enlightenment will have to wait before it is launched on Ibiza’s spiritual seekers. Gurooz, masters etc are landing here by the plane load. Retreats, satsangs and magic porions are all the rage on Spain’s answer to Monacco. Everywhere I go there is spiritual talk. The rich and famous, having nothing else to seek, are becoming increasingly interested in all matters spiritual and there is a rush by the cash-strapped to filll their needs by those who have the skills or cons to play the appropriate role.
Why, just yesterday, I met a journalist who is down here to write a satsang-giver’s biography. This particular spiritual guide, as the satsang-giver calls himself,is perhaps the dullest person I have met playing such a role. So, I am sure Kavita is in with a shout, but remember the competition is fast and furious, so better polish up your presentatation while you plot your take over Ibiza strategy. Be prepared and plan for a shambles.
No .. thank u .. dear … no … Shitsangs .. for me .. and no .. sponsors too .. will have tell you why .. after my father’s death .. on my 18th birthday .. l was given a sponsored trip by my Nazir mama .. to .. Ajanta / Ellora with .. one his Canadian Friend Pia ..
Oh…erm…thanks for clearing that up, Kavita. I am sure everyone concerned appreciates this deep insight into your personal life and is somewhat relieved to hear it.
l have .. NO competition .. anyways . . . whatsO ever …
U .. BETTER .. BE .. RELIEVED
Kavita dear..
or as i like to call you my little
expense account
Your magic is working …how do you do it ? now everyone is interested in this Kavita..
See life really is great isnt it…?
first you are in
then you are out
then you are in again
.. then you are out
what a game of hide and seekers
and a metaphor for your other hobby
you crazyyyyy girllllll
And like a real guru-ess you are very humble, self effacing and deliver your messages so very telegraphically that we have no way of misunderstanding your dew drop gems of wisdom..
(.if we understand how to have text ….long slow text .. we understand you)
you crazyy modern girl guru
the important thing here to remember , if i may be so bold as a humble curiosity monger-er.. ( and boy am i curious about your monger….)
is that
you really do not have to be so elliptical in your utterings … we can see, ….those of us with a facebook account, that you disappeared as a self years ago…
yes You
really dont exist anymore …
you have become the Alfa …in the romeo,… the Omega… in the erm swiss watch collection of time…
and whats even more stunning as your divine image clearly demonstrates is that you have ensured
that really nobody, nobody cares… no method, no guru(ess) no disciple and no message..WOW
kavita… so little effect in so little time….
how do you do it ?
Amazing… any chance of not caring a little longer …pleaaaasse dont go
it will be like mysticus coitus interruptus if you do
ill be nice… (promise.).
ps. we are all great aren’t we ..
Kavita
You know how Enlightenment Intensive, the week long group has changed its name over the years..
Satori ?
Who am I ?
Who is In ?
Can we book the latest couple’s ones
Is it In Yet ?
No i’m not In
Maybe you’re tired and thats okay as I dont need it In tonight.
I promise I’ll be watchful …you can choose any one you like from the shops..
I love life
Somehow I get the feeling that somebody round here is not getting the joke, which makes it even funnier.
jokes .. are .. not .. funny .. they R . . . pal . .
later we will be publishing more
Letters from a Meditator
in
Front Line Forum.
today:
Satya Deva writes
‘You only need a little Self..’
…the rip roaring meditational tale of how growing only a little self can save humanity from the Oshzone crisis in the rarefied upper atmosphere…Here he provides careful instructions on growing your own little self ..in any small space…to save the world from extreme amounts of hot air…
read all about it later on ..
Front Line Forum
Yes, but is growing that little self legal? This is the burning question. People have been seriously injured or even killed when these new fangled hydroponic systems have caught fire due to a short circuit and lots of hot air has rushed into the Oshzone. Easy is right and I prefer to grow my little self naturally.
I always loved .. u .. for .. ur naturalness .. didnt .. get a .. chance .. to tell .. u .. B4 …
Thank you for all the comments and opinions. I’ ll soon be writing about the other commune in Lumbini also, the birthplace of Gautama the Buddha, It’s called Osho Jetban, the construction work has already started there. The bulidings are under construction and sannyasins have already built a hugggge pond and a bridge over it. It’s beautiful. And by the way if you want to join there is a meditation camp with Swami Arun in November at Upaban, for details visit: http://www.tapoban.com
Thankyou all, much love
Well .. k O . . m.e … Neerav . . .
‘Twould seem one or two of you haven’t quite ‘got the point’ yet, so allow me to clarify before you all go off, er, ‘cottaging’ for the weekend (in your country cottages), home and, er, abroad…
The point, you see, is not that one “grows a small self”, no, not at all…(and, Prem Martyn, you would be well advised to study my earlier mini-lecture on this topic – ‘twould hopefully “save the world from extreme amounts of hot air”, from, er, your direction, young sir..).
The process is rather of firstly, ‘normal growth’ – not necessarily ‘easy’, of course, especially in these benighted times, hence the ever-burgeoning ‘therapy business’…
Then, if and when one has, er, ‘had enough’ of this process, it is time to ‘go into reverse’, as it were, another sort of process altogether, where the emphasis is more upon what might be termed ‘giving up’ of many aspects of ‘the self’ – reactive emotions in particular, perhaps (kindly make a note, Mr Bubbie) – in order to reach what might be termed deeper levels of, er, ‘reality’ within…
Some call this ‘meditation’ – not to be confused with a few minutes of relative ‘silence’ here and there, more a, er, ‘way of being’ in , er, life itself…
Hence, lady (good morning, ‘Special K’!) and gentlemen, the ‘self’ undergoes a sort of ‘death’, rendering it ultimately really rather small. Why? So that the ‘greater Life’ may, er, take its place, of course!
Elementary, really…
Further questions may be submitted on Monday morning…Have a good weekend!
Prem Martyn:
“to save the world from extreme amounts of hot air…”
Guru and satsang craze is in decline in the highly intelligent german market.
Out of innocence, people have given enough rope to these truth sellers, but out of their German dignity and pride, they have found, these people are as small pricks as the priests in the Church, atleast there you don´t have to bow down before someone like oneself.
Many times, plastic is much better than the Syphlys coated real thing!
But Ibiza…nature is beautiful, people are rich but does the collective vibrations radiate the sharpness of wisdom or pure intellect?
In that sense, Ibiza is very close to the neo rich enviornemtnt of India. no doubt, “Bhagwan Shri” is a thing of the past.
“Sri Bhagwan” kind of people are enjoying their 15 minutes of fame.
One thing is good in our time. everything comes in replaceable plastic, including the gurus.
That time seems to be over when posterity used to remember the milestones of the past with reverence.
In that club, Osho was trying to get the entry, thinking after His death, he will spread like a wild fire, the way Buddha and Jesus could spread because of the sheer tenacity of their disciples unbreakable belief in them.
Enlightenment has become so simple, just like taking the wrapper away from the chewing gum.
No doubt, when i see the faces of these awakened people at the net, my head bows down before the masses in the trams, buses and trains. At least these people are making some journey.
Er, sorry, before you go, one last point: -
Even for those who have undergone ‘the whole process’ and have lived to ‘tell the tale’ – I think you’ve all come across one or two?! – a functioning ‘self’ (small, but able enough) remains, to manage the remainder of this bodily existence…
Such a ‘little self’ might well appear ‘flawed’, even, in certain respects, annoyingly so even, not, er, ‘perfect’ at all – although ‘worshippers’ of the, er, ‘person’ concerned might choose not to notice any apparent, er, ‘deficiencies’…
No matter – for they remain Vaaaaaaasssstttly conscious within!!!!
Lokesh
This question you can answer.
When many of the porfessional Satsang givers were crowling in their homes, you were with Osho in India for 6 years and i am sure have given the best to your inner evolution from that time onwards.
What is that which makes these people to sit on the chair and someone like you sitting in the small crowd at their feet?
Even afterwards you say, these people are dumb as dummbles yet, they did not come to you, you went to them. You paid the money to be with them.
What is that they have got and you or other contemprary seekers have lacked.
I hope, you have understood what i want to know.
In case of ambiguity, ask anything.
reactive emotions:
i found a short cut… get kavita to sit on your face…i did and couldn’t move…she kept glaring into my eyes..
‘Apologise , she screamed APOLOGISE..’
I could barely muffle my response..
.But in truth i could neither react nor move
all i managed was a small withered self of my previous smugness..
.that and a few strange heretofore unseen stains…
.(and the only stains i had known in my innocence were those from the childrens cartoon series :
Captain Pugwash and his friends Seaman Stains but then i suppose i am young and naive..and never knew whhat a Pugwash was or his other fellows on board: Master Mates. and Willy.
.the BBC never recovered…
ps
life is always great except when its isnt..
Marty if l really sit on ur face ..
maybe .. ur Willy ..
will die for sure . . !i
Shantam, I’m having a tea break from land and garden maintainence. So I will not go into this in too much depth.
You ask: What is that they have got and you or other contemprary seekers have lacked?
I can only speak for myself and I’d have to say the brass neck to sit a foot above everyone else in the room as if they know something that everyone else doesn’t. I don’t feel I go to a satsang due to a lack of anything except perhaps a better source of entertainment. I enjoy satsangs. They are always good for a laugh.
You ask: What is that which makes these people to sit on the chair and someone like you sitting in the small crowd at their feet? I believe that satsang givers have a need to be acknowledged, I suspect many of them did not get enough breast-feeding as a baby. In a small section of society there exists a small group of people who think it is spiritual to sit at the feet of someone who talks about so.called spiritual topics, reincarnation, meditation, karma etc. I’ve already explained what I go to satsangs for. Some people go to football matches. I go to satsangs once in a while.
You ask: Even afterwards you say, these people are dumb as dummbles yet, they did not come to you, you went to them. You paid the money to be with them.
They are not all dumb. I think the question of stupidity enters when it is made quite obvious that someone is deceiving others by making others believe that they have something worthwhile to share. This is a stupid game and ultimately the one who suffers most from it is the pretender. It causes strain and tension in one’s life to keep up an appearance that is unreal, especially in the salvation and enlightenment stakes.
Yes, it is true I go to the satsang, that is my choice. What I enjoy most is debate, but most of these people just want you to ask a standard question so that they have an excuse to speak a lot of recycled spiritual claptrap for an hour or so. Samdarshi was a perfect example of this. I would have enjoyed to engage him but there was so little opportunity I did not want to have to draw attention to myself with something that could have been mistaken for aggresion.
The amount of money involved is not worth mentioning.
Recently there was a teacher here who charged 250 euros for a four hour event, A friend told me this morning that you could have condensed what he had to say intto a few sentences.
The point is that giving satsangs and gathering disciples has been turned into a business. Osho also turned such things into a business and even integrated it into his philosophy. I don’t have a problem with that. In fact I don’t have a problem right now other than having to do a few boring jobs round the house, which I know I’ll enjoy once I get around to doing them.
That is one thing I enjoyed about Osho, he was a great entertainer. I loved those darshans on the back porch when you could talk with him and share a laugh. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. One of the most important things Osho taught me was that is a mistake to take yourself seriously. I’m for anything that makes people laugh and share a joke about the the absurdities that take place on the stage of life around us.
FRONT LINE FORUM PRESENTS THINGS THAT JUMP AROUND..a way of MEDITATING
by satya deva
Working at the Hadron Collider Nuclear facility , I, like my colleagues do spend an inordinate amount of time in our brains…..waiting.. for something
this is because what we are looking for really doesnt take place 99.99999r of the time in 99.999r of any given place.with 99.999r of predictabilty…
You see these tiny nutron particles are shameful buggers… like Nils Bohr said, if you look at them they’ll stick their tongue out and change shape… and if you dont look at them they become unbalanced and chaotic…
he also said these tiny tiny things just couldn’t be measured or assessed..because that would require the exclusion of an assessment or an assessive method….
but i think ive beaten him on that one ..ol Nils nice but swedish ..lacked that indian charm…which u only get by meditating…
But tiny they remain….very very small anyway and we scientists spend most of our time chatting in a huge big aircraft hangar underground… really big waiting for these buggers to jump up and down….
.so what has all this to do with meditation you may ask.
Well i thought if these small insignificant things that dont have much of a life can get so much attention… then what about me?
What about if i jumped up and down a bit in a large auditorium…could i not create the ideal conditions for a fusion collision.
So last Tuesday I turned the Hadron Collider off.
And said to myself I am the Universe–quite a big statement for even me…and i pluggged myself in..( remembering to put up a favourite photo of mine one of the MIghty Khan taking off on his space rocket chair to the stars)
Up and down I jumped
up and down
higher and higher i reached
(i almost got stuck on the ceiling like a veritable piece of gravity free indian private boys school poo
the stuff that you find sprayed around the walls in Indian toilets and wonder how the hell did that get up there?)
and then i landed .. i so much wanted to tell people of my experience but no-one would believe me at least not 99.9999 r% of the time..
so i decided to use a compact scientific explanation to make things easypeasy for those who unlike me were underprivilged and never had a super mario brothers or playstation to pit their wits against….
yes i was ucky ..super damn lucky….and id got a big score too to prove it…
my neurons were now fused in fission like grace….
from now on im could be both a particle and a wave
both ….a disciple and…. a guru…
really i suppose thats what the mighty khan would have liked , looking down on me from his space-out rocket chair beyond the stars…
thank god for meditation, the mighty khan and my ability to help people
nice….i might even save the oshzone layer now from captain bhagwash
kavita .. you’re a natural
anytime hun ….anytime…
Prem Martyn:
“to save the world from extreme amounts of hot air…”
Welcome to the massed ranks of ‘psycho-spiritual’ hypocrites, PM…Cup of tea waiting for you right here…
Konfession .. time .. I .. Love … alL .. of .. U … dearies ..
I feel luv.
Some people go to football matches. I go to satsangs once in a while…
sounds very good and simplistic.
People who are good in football, never go to watch others play unless it is a paid assignment.
it can be true that lack of breast feeding is the source for need of aknowledgement. The crystalised longing may create some high achievers, but what about those souls who are looking for redeemers, mostly the women who throab with gratitude to see her favourate Satsang giver.
I feel sorry for their husbands/boy friends.
Shantam Prem:
People who are good in football, never go to watch others play unless it is a paid assignment.
SD:
That’s utter nonsense, SP…
Try another one, please!
When one looks objectively, Osho has also recycled and repacked the tits and bits from here and there, but in such a unique way, that many people chose the way to be His disciples
Hardly i have seen any person who did not get the worth of His time and money.
The collective growth of these thousands of people could have created enough attraction for genartations to come and feel the experience.
If small small wolves are ruling the jungle, the credit goes to the management team of the Osho Jayesh Meditation Resort.
They have truely tammed the LION. OSHO after death is as effective as some old man in the nursery, counting His last breaths.
No doubt, Delhi group of Freinds international are trying their best to save the Chrishmatic old man with the help of something like ASPRIN.
In India it is said hundreds of times, Sweet maker (Halwai) hardly buys the sweets even when he is in different town.
SD, Tell me when you see, Wayne Or Bechaam standing in the Q and paying the cash to see football.
A victory for greed: In the week the nation is told money’s tighter than ever, shameless footballer Wayne Rooney lands a £50m pay deal
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1322744/Wayne-Rooney-staying-Manchester-United-star-U-turn.html#ixzz13Cq5hQLy
One needs to study the collective psychology to find out why The people contribute their life energy and money so that they can see some footballer or Satsang giver.
May be Universal health insurance should provide free psychoanalysis to these spectattors.
so .. nice .. to be .. home ..
after .. Jet .. lag .. its ..very ..
different .. Kind .. Of .. relaxation ..
thankS .. for .. co -sponsoring ..
the flight … and 2 .. the pilot ..
.. his .. crU .. & co -passenGers ..
for .. a .. safe .. land .. IN .. g … &
for .. giving .. excellent .. service .. &
company .. & ma .. self .. 4 .. being ..
courageo..us ..
ksera . . sera !i
ps – & the r ..un .. way .. ofcourse ..
made .. it .. eff 0 rt -less !i
People who are good in football, never go to watch others play unless it is a paid assignment.
So let me modify the sentence,
People who are BEST in football, never go to watch others play unless it is a paid assignment or their chidren are playing in the school team.
J, UG or Mahesh Yogi are too far away, can you imagine Mother(not mine) Meera going for a Satsang with some Samarpan or Samdarshi.
Will she go to get the hug from Huggy Amma?
Will Huggy Amma ever thought to come and take Darshan with OSHO, when both were in Pune.
looks ..like .. u ..
have a .. long .. way .. to go ..
this .. W .. or ..ld .. is .. Free …
from ..comparison !i
Kavita has reached home, ground staff is standing in the noisy cold whether.
It is one of the most theoratical cliche that some world some where is free from comparision….
Trillion of stars and galaxies are continuously expanding to assert their space, swallowing the adverse forces, collisons and coalitions..
Someone has gone free from the grip of life and death, pain and pleasure…atleast to me, it is not an impressive story.
I hope Buddha too will be on the earth, to watch the “fashion shows”.
looks ..like .. u ..
have a .. long .. way .. to go ..
Do Spiritual realisations ( hallusionations and hallogen lamps) come with Google Maps?
it seems as if like every other components of life, our spiritual beliefs also get influenced by the prevalent fashion trends and social enviornment.
For example, if one looks at the life of Christian priests, for thousands of years, they spend much more time in contemplation, reading, prayer and in Silence than any of the disciples of new age gurus.
Still those people will not speak about something like enlightenment, because it is not part of their vocabulory and no body was giving them the idea, it is soooooooooooo simple.
Such is the power of beleiving if someone like Osho says, with Dynamic medittaion, Breasts can increase 2 sizes and with Kundalini, little brother can take 3inches jump, within six months many people will feel like this.
Need for any … re -cognition ..
is .. dis-solved .. INside ..
where .. all .. shapes / sizes ..
planets / galaxies …
can / will go on increasing …
this universe ..
inside will always be no – thing ..
ofcourse .. l know .. u will / can ..
awaken .. l guess .. v ..
All .. have .. our .. time ..
anyway dear ..
sleep well ..
so 1 can awaken . .
schlaf ‘ .. gut . .
maybe you have to look at chidren`s games and the force of play in human actions and development to understand the satsang thing.
its a game.
like follow the leader.
or hide and seek.
it just comes up out of nowhere.
variations are found the world over.
about hide and seek,one could easily say:
why bother to hide,then seek.
you are here and i am here,why go and hide behind a shed?
we are here already!
there is no point at all!
but that would be missing the point of the game,which is simply played for the experience of playing,the joy,the fun…..
so being “deluded” about the neccesity of playing the game is part of the game.
all the players have to act “as if”..
then it works…
and through the play,other human interactions happen,too.
they fall in love,laugh,cry,fight,fall out,start their own new game etc etc…
play is the driving force in these human interactions.
maybe a kind of “enlightenment” wiould be in recognising this.
or maybe its just about chopping bits of your “self” off,till you`ve got the smallest one on the block…
then you can get the guy with lumbering big`uns to play your game….
that`s a good game,too…..
I wouldn’t be a member of a club that would have me. Groucho Marx
The definition of torture :
replay ad infinitum
http://www.scienceandnonduality.com/videos.shtml
notice the klingon in the second video….
helppppppppppppp
‘to boldly go where’ …dada dada da…
please no more………..
ahhgrghhhhhh
Very nice site Martyn. Om is equal to mc square.
SO much is happening in the world of spirituality, spirituality means drop your Christian beliefs in favour of Advaita!!
“Cross” has created the shell and BP, “Om” will bring the horses back, i mean eco friendly system.
More than one horse power per person is an EGO manifestation.
Erin Go Bra-less
Shantam’s flipped at dawn!!!
p. martyn the transvestite…. kavita- Hermann Goering in drag.
S. Deva…. a pompous ass????
lokesh— green thumb, or, green manure brain
I think nobel prize organisation should add one more catagory, ” Nobel prize for spirituality”, the way it has the rewards for economics,physics, medicine etc.
But yes..as a matter of fairness, papers and lip talks should not be beleived, important will be to bring I-less brainy people under the microscopic observations for authenticating their claims.
Money and prestige wise, biggest break through will be in this domain, ” Technology to come out from Ego as simply as pealing the Banana.”
Eggs any day / nite …
. . . . .
banana nana baba na …
l love a re .. all good breakFast …
brains r required 4 that ..
sin .. ce .. without the brains …
how touch .. wood .. a ..dam .. find the …
apple and eat it 2 !i
t heart .. of .. livINg .. O !i ..
Shantam, As far as Noble prize organisation is concerned it is full of people who just like to make masses happy and pick wrong people . They never ever consider osho for a peace prize. during his life time
I know osho was not intersted into that kind of nonsence and would not have accepted the awards, if it was offered to him……..
last year Noble price went to Obama for peace and same week before accepting the prize Obama sent one lakh army to afghanistan.to fight with merely 200 talibans. …..if noble prize committe had any guts and wisdom, they would have re voke or void the prize to obama and gave to someone who is truely engaged in peace efforts within world
Watch out for those”reactive emotions” there, Bubbie – they’re out to get you…In fact, they’ve gotcha!!
Shantam Prem:
People who are good in football, never go to watch others play unless it is a paid assignment.
So let me modify the sentence,
People who are BEST in football, never go to watch others play unless it is a paid assignment or their chidren are playing in the school team.
SD:
Again, that’s rubbish, SP – of the unadulterated kind!
You don’t realise the extent of the, er, ‘love affair’ people have with the game…
It’s like saying top musicians would never go to a concert, or film stars never go to a watch a film.
Of course, the ‘celebrities’ almost certainly never have to actually pay, but they would, if they had to (why not, anyway?!).
No, you’ve got into a foolish analogy – time to get out of this one!
Frank:
or maybe its just about chopping bits of your “self” off,till you`ve got the smallest one on the block…
then you can get the guy with lumbering big`uns to play your game….
that`s a good game,too…
SD:
Nah, really? Wouldn’t fancy that game…Not my idea of a good larf, that one…
Shantam Prem:
People who are BEST in football, never go to watch others play unless it is a paid assignment or their chidren are playing in the school team.
J, UG or Mahesh Yogi are too far away, can you imagine Mother(not mine) Meera going for a Satsang with some Samarpan or Samdarshi.
Will she go to get the hug from Huggy Amma?
Will Huggy Amma ever thought to come and take Darshan with OSHO, when both were in Pune.
SD:
You’ve got your ‘mere entertainment’ mixed up with your ‘Real Life/ Being/ Love & Compassion’, SP…Easy enough to do, I suppose, at this place….
Anyway, if someone is genuinely ‘enough unto him/herself”, a ‘Light unto him/herself’ even, why bother going to someone else to learn how to become that?!
Sheer waste of time/energy, wouldn’t it be? Time/energy lost from helping their particular segment of the human race….
Would Osho bother to visit any other teachers? Idea’s absurd.
Same goes the other way round.
Shantam Prem:
One needs to study the collective psychology to find out why The people contribute their life energy and money so that they can see some footballer or Satsang giver.
May be Universal health insurance should provide free psychoanalysis to these spectattors.
SD:
Do you really need to go that far, SP?! Can’t you find the answer in yourself?
Do you ever watch a film, even on tv?
What’s wrong with ‘entertainment’ anyway?!! It’s a unique characteristic of the human being, a wonder-ful thing….
Very entertaining actually – maybe you should try some, some time….
Anugrah; They never ever consider osho for a peace prize. during his life time.
Well, that is hardly surprising now is it. The old boy slags the pope, mother theresa and every other pillar of society he can get in the sights of his verbal gattling gun, then some of his disciples poison hundreds of people in a bizarre plot to win a local election in USA and you expect Osho to get the Nobel peace prize. Can anyone be so stupid as to imagine that Osho could be a candidate for such a prize, The answer, if I look at you is…yes. Unbelievably stupid.
SD .. waiting for tea-se?… how many sugarse?
tease is good ,
better than asking me if i want to go fuckoffee..
xx
Locky boy .. stepped … out of the .. hOuse .. after .. 4mnts & 17dayS .. thanx .. to u .. for tick .. ling me .. IN .. the rite .. place .. x x x
. . .
thats because i must’ve hit your
K spot
. There its always sunny and shining
after 4 months 17 days…??? What prison was that– .. What did you do?? Not enough seeking??
Bad girl ..crazzyyy girl
I love .. being .. home … rite .. now ..
only .. seeing .. now !i
.. Marty . . . bye dear . .
ah
drugs
…of course…
Reminds me of the time when Bubbie disappeared for three days…
we all thought he’d gone on a retreat
,to get away ..
..from himself
,,, turns out he’d locked himself in the back yard khazi/slam dunker
he’d been having an experience that came out of his body.. (he reckoned they were all out of body experiences in the slam hole, he’s cute like that)
anyway turns out he’d been looking at photos of Madame Blavatsky..(we’d heard grunts all day) ..and locked himself in…to ‘commune’ with her
by the time we found him , on the thursday, he’d managed to get the walls covered in slime…
the police were called and a doctor ,as he was slumped in the corner…
turns out he’d been guzzling the hooch again..
and the slime was , according to Bubbie ..
.erm
sticky..
‘ectoplasm’
k
are you near the town of Osh in Kyrgistan?
lots of drugs there..
hapenis to you
Osho for Nobel peace prize; Disciples may have pumped His ego( Do enlighentd people are also not prone to boasting?), but objectively speaking Osho was not a deserving candidate for Nobel peace price or literary price. Discourses are not literature.
But as a university professor who wrote the titles as “Beware of Socialism” and “India´s Burring Questions” in late sixties, He deserves posthumously “Nobel price for Economics”, Not a single Amritya Sen or Dr. Manmohan SIngh of that time could visualise where India´s problems are and how India can become a economic super power.
What Osho spoke in 1965-70, India followed step by step, that road map from 1990 onwards and No wonder the whole world has become free from the ghosts of Marks and Russian glossy propaganda about Socialism.
Even the 93 Rolls can be justified as a symbolic gesture for the demise of socialism.
Will India ever Give Bharat Ratna(jewel of India) to Osho?
It could have happened with a proper lobbying and the intelligence shown by the disciples.
When disciples fight like cats over the legacy of a cake, when disciples show from their behaviour how much constipated EGO is hidden behind their Dynamics, when disciples are prone to dictatorial attitude, when disciples are unable to built a worthful organisation even though they have the blue print from the Master, when disciples are not willing to print His photo, definitely Mahatma Gandhi will rule from the currancy notes of 500 Rupees.
Don´t ask others to recognise Osho, ask His own people why they have locked Him in the cellar?
Any Organisation worthy enough for survival in these times, must know that Oxygen lies in the democratic norms, in collective responsibilities, in the system of check and Balances.
Some person or the system which ignores the TAO of Governance, is not more useful than the regime of North Korea.
Esoterically speaking it is also very much possible few of the Popes have taken birth as Osho´s lieutenants.
They are holding the command at Osho Vatican in Pune after His demise.
With this logic what about the break away factions operating from Delhi or Kathmandu?
I have no right analogy for these Sub lieutenants.
Prem Martyn/kavita/goering: tasty hooch i’ve got, doesn’t make you insane or kill you. On the other hand, what’s with the stuff you’ve been drinking? Tainted for sure. a visit from your shrink is in order.
Shantam, i don’t know what the fuck you’re drinking…”Popes taken birth as osho’s lieutenants”. What the fuck are you talking about, AGAIN!! Take a sabbatical, go to Goa and sit in the presence of his holiness, the MR. Sw. Rajneesh…. your brain is turning to toast bro. Another shock to your head and you’re certain to become a vegetable….. cheers
Shantam…..stay away from the brown acid!
So bubbie, you are back from your daily wage job at Maxico boarder!
Why the popes cannot take birth as Osho´s lieutinants?
When somone like you or me can be accepted, why not others.
Do your sense of imagination has limit.
You are may be thinking Popes are not worthy of any human life or a tatse of disciplehood before a LIVING JESUS.
If that is the case, please make Drama in your family get together during Xmas.
Dear advisor Lokesh, let me also offer you an advise.
Please, stay away from Satsangs.
If your wife will kick you out from the house in case, you visit different women. Don´t think your master(S) will tolerate adultary.
PS- the holy texts say, ” Even to meet one Sadguru is aa act of grace.
Popes are also nice human beings, only with one flaw, like the queen of England or the drunkard Sheikhs of Arabia, they think, they deserve to be head of the state till the death makes them apart.
This i think..is not the spirit of Sharing.
Atleast OSho popes should live their life more in the spirit of sharing and broadheartedness.
Bubbie u been sending that hooch to shantam? he’s flying tonight…
between kavita texts and shantam’s rearranging of syntax and satya devas football reports … who needs religion…
pass the aciiiidddd maaaann im tripping
im not getting enlightened until
im sure i can take you all with me
its called collective enlightenment
…im currently collecting pledges
I only spike the hooch when it’s for Shantam… mozoltov!!!!
prem bubbie . . only l / concerned 1 .. can … say .. who they’ve been .. in their .. past lives . . so . . save . . your energy . . for yourself . . dear . . until .. then . . its ALL .. Waste .. of . . time / whatever
& . . Shantam . . looks like this . . Economics . . is . . still . . a Big .. part . . of . . your . . Life’s . . Problem . . anyway . . Dear . . I . . pray . . that . . is . . solved
By .. the .. way … Iam .. INjoying .. my .. Sleep .. like .. never .. before . . .
I told Shantam to stay away from that stuff, but obviously he did not listen. Pass the straightjacket.
THE FASHION OF ENLIGHENMNET
Is enligtenment a strechable jeans, one fit for all the sizes?
Is enlightenemnt a tonic, take once and your IQ and emotional intelligence level will increase?
As i can say “thoeratically”, it may be like a vasectomy process for the mind, thoughts like sperms are unable to grow and expand.
No children, no Trouble…one is free.
Great.. has mother earth has ever said, ” She will miss those who have gone free from their trips to her.?
JUst like love, it looks like we make too much fuss for this E SPOT.
Enlighenment can also be like the real estate prices in India. The whole country is in a rush, prices are increasing on daily basis.
If you have not got 250 sq mts. today, tomorrow it can be too late.
Every soap bubble brusts sooner or later. Same can be said about illusion of Enlightenment. Even it is real, it is not worthy of any fuss, unless there is a desire to create a Coca cola” around it.
And some how “enlighenment” is also very much needed as a source of population control. More people drop their Visa to earth, better it is for the ecological resources.
KAvita, Not just economics, sociology, psychology, theology, philosphy, literature and their branches… i am too much part of the muddy world.
In this muddy world, something like Lotus grows too, but that is a very private affair.
I am in awe with the humanity, the way it lives.
Even in the world of religions, other than Osho, i am not impressed by anybody as i don´t buy lotus flowers from the farmers market. I like to have the pond.
Mud and the lotus… Spirituality wth economics, psychology, erotica, literature……
shantam .. maybe . . u .. get .. some … sense .. from these .. words .. spoken ,, by .. your .. Osho .. or perhaps .. this is .. my .. personal … Osho …
anyway
” Only things can be possessed; beings cannot be possessed.
You can have a communion with a being.
You can share your love, your poetry, your beauty, your body, your mind.
You can share but you cannot do business.
You cannot bargain.
You cannot possess a man or a woman.
But everybody is trying to do that all over the earth .. ” Osho
Osho has taken my heart, not because of being a Jaina with long beard, when India is full with Advaita Cabbage, Osho offered all the vegitation in His menu.
Spirituality was part of the whole Leela.
Power trips and egogames were equally adjusted.
When such things exist, why not aknowldege them.
What happened after wards, is a story of some whimsical resort, which has every comfort but no toilet pots, at the most urinals.
Why so.. because in this way, we save the water and keep the place free from the Stinky bowls.
Will the vast population will visit such place.
Yes… when few think it is a zen Quan.
Kavita, Quotaion is beautiful but its stiching with the discussion is out of context, like a YKK zip on the buttuck side.
With due respect to your or other people´s supposed Awakening, one thing i want to convey as part of my Divine obligation, awakeing does not mean Sister Maira will become Dr. Müller.
These awakened people need to learn to accept their humanly limitations,,but the way they behvae as if they are the experts in human interiority.
Nodoubt, people coming in these people´s contacts end up even more confused, just like after the party hangover.
l dont need .. branded .. stuff .. whatsoever will do .. 4 me .. but perhaps u understand only .. this .. language .. Dear . . so ..
” The absence of attachment is detachment; it is not the opposite of attachment. It is not that attachment will disappear from your heart and detachment will take its place — attachment will disappear and nothing will take its place. This is the ultimate detachment. ” Osho
kavita thats lovely… are you on day release..are there visiting hours… ?
could you wait until
we all get IT..?
i mean about dear frank really….
i get worried sometimes he’s not getting it..
so could you wait so that we all get to ride on
on your carpet
i mean really theres no such thing as personal moksha
so lets all party..
4 months ???… u must have been playing with your prajna alone for too long…
here let me take a look ..
thats it
easy girl….sure i love osho he’s great…
wow
thats nice…….really cute…
xisses
from the valley of perfumed enchantment….
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a marxist guide .. via groucho and chico
enjoy
Marty .. u .. r . . a .. Darling ..
some .. timeS . . Dear
xisses . . back .. to U . .
would guru palak qualify as “an advaita cabbage”?
surely…..
Shantam, you can relax, because as far as ‘you’ are concerned enlightenment does not exist.
‘Advaita cabbage.’ Well as far as a potatoe head like you is concerned it might be educational for you to check out how your beloved Osho followed the Advaita path leading up to his claimed enlightenment.
Now stop muttering about your aloo and go back to sleep. You’ve been having a nightmare. That is what you get for taking the brown acid.
Shantam – why do you bother even mentioning ‘Satsang teachers’ and their audiences any more? Haven’t you already pontificated more than enough on the topic?!
What more is there to add?
Can not your outpourings these last few years be boiled down to just this:
‘Osho is the greatest, but the Poona management has failed to nurture his legacy, esp re the Resort. Therefore I and others are losing out, therefore I am very angry’.
As English actor Albert Finney once said, “All the rest is propaganda’! (As your apparently compulsive advertising of the above has long become).
It’s also a great excuse for you to hide behind, I guess, if your own life isn’t quite ‘working out’ as you’d ideally wish?
(Maybe you’re ‘perfectly ok’ though?!).
Atleast i am stearing the wheels here at sannyasnews, most of the run away heros are only reacting, or correcting my analogies and spelling mistakes or having fun´ to recover their lost adoloscent in these retirement years of life.
How so ever a run away soldier jumps out from a buring ship to save His life, deep down he will feel unripe, unworthy.
This is almost with all the disciples of every single sect, who out of their greediness for fast trains jump out to see some one else.
These people if have a chance, will call Madonna, ” Mama mama mama”, after all she is more beautiful, rich Diva than the mothers.
if your own life isn’t quite ‘working out’ as you’d ideally wish?…
This is such an absolute truth almost like ” Buddha´s saying, Jeevan Dukh Hain..” To Live is a pain”
And in my eyes, hero is a person who takes the bullet out from His own wound and goes on His mission smiling and also with anguish and pain.
When many high school drop outs are hankering about Enlightenement, and crowling like refugees before Un convoy, and showing their rice pudding to their loved ones and neighbours
It is a gratitude to recite Rudyar Kipling´s “If”
I hope few will enjoy the video.
love
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If i remember correctly, some where is an echo of Osho´s words, ” I am not here to fullfill your dreams but make them break.”
When fear comes in to see the dreams, hopes, wishes and inspiration going down the drain…only two ways are left to go on watching till the bitter end or a new dawn or run away to some saviour, some nurse, some insurrance agent..
everybody has their own ways, Ways of a warrior will definately will be differant than the ways of a Clerk.
though in the end, both will get their pension from the same treasury.
‘Osho is the greatest, but the Poona management has failed to nurture his legacy, esp re the Resort. Therefore I and others are losing out, therefore I am very angry’.
Some minor yet significant modifications-
Osho is not the greatest, but one of the greatest.
Poona management has failed to nurture his legacy esp re the resort.
I agree and therefore it is worth an effort to go into the depth of psychoogy, why it is so.
In the military scinece institutions, lessons of great wars are discussed again and again.
Muslims are still beating their chest because of Karbala. Christians do the same about the unconstitutional hanging of jesus…
Osho and His work, deserves also a centuries long discussion.
Therefore I and others are losing out, therefore I am very angry’
Tell you truthfully, those who have stayed with their conviction of sannyas and are willing to walk alone without a New mama/daddy, are getting ripe into their adulthood. rest are simply checking in the market.. from rajneesh to meera, a private nurse to give them bandage.
And when most of my colleagues have taken shelter into resignation, someone like me is creating Literature out of anger.
After all, Anger like air or water has its own positive potential, anger is a call to go beyond the status quo, to make world more and more refined.
In my case, this rage can be an inspirational gift from elephant God.
“Om Shri Ganeshay Namah…”
Prem Martyn And Kavita…even it is virtual… my heart beats faster to see your love blossem…your both deserve a solid coming together.
When Romance is in the air, you both are requested to share the dinner with me at “Madhuban” Resturant.
Even dr. Amrito has shown his human side while eating Palak Aloo with Nann at Madhuban.
To cherish his infuence, i also clean the clean plate with tissue paper.
Darling . . Shantam . . to tell u . . if . . b4 . . l . . came / was . . invited to come . . to Osho . . l have been with . . other Masters . . IN . . their physical . . form . . too . . so dont . . give . . this holy . . crap . . you can eat punjabi Samosa too . . and lick . . the Green Chutney . . 1 of Dr’s favourite . .
from . . jaiShree sweets . . but . . that shop . . closed few years . . ago . . wonder . . why . . and . . U . . can . . recite
1 Omkaar Satnaam freely . . now . .
Shantam, you have this fixation about ‘loyalty’ to a Master, to a ‘Path’, whatever…
As if we’re fans of some football team, perhaps!!
No, such ‘loyalty’ is just a stupid, redundant, even absurd concept in this context…
Here we are, ‘in life’ – it’s up to each of us to somehow work it out for ourselves, however best we can…
Grateful for any help along the way, of course…
But ‘when you gotta go, you gotta go’…
The voice inside, if authentic – and we only know by testing it from experience – has to be followed, not NECESSARILY keep on ‘blindly’ attached to the words and precepts, community etc. etc. of a particular Teacher or teaching.
One thing’s certain, my friend:
YOU for one, have not the SLIGHTEST clue what is good for anyone else, it’s not your concern at all.
So, I most strongly suggest you simply stop yourself from making critical comments about those you most foolishly deem ‘deserters from the cause’.
It’s just stupid.
Or perhaps you think you’re part of some (potentially conquering!) army?!!!
Shantam:
Atleast i am stearing the wheels here at sannyasnews, most of the run away heros are only reacting, or correcting my analogies and spelling mistakes or having fun´ to recover their lost adoloscent in these retirement years of life.
SD:
Sheer delusion, SP!
You imagine you’re doing ‘some great work’ here? Laying down the terrible truth several times a day to, er, about seven hungry-for-such-truth readers?
Hilarious!
You’ve been a fully paid-up member of the massed ranks of the psycho-spiritual deluded for…God knows how long….
prem martyn:
SD .. waiting for tea-se?… how many sugarse?
tease is good ,
better than asking me if i want to go fuckoffee..
xx
SD:
I may also be another psycho-spiritual hypocrite – but, as that old Judge once said to MIck Jagger, “Why break a butterfly on a wheel?”
Alternatively: Toujours la Politesse!
Btw, Shantam – What’s yours – green, Darjeeling – or ‘British Rail’?! Sugar too?
Poor Shantam, that brown acid his left him brain-damaged.
shantam,
as you are a fan of “if” by rudyard kipling.
are you familiar with “if”,by backyard diogenes…?
if you can start the day without caffeine
if you can always be cheerful,ignoring aches and pains
if you can resist complaining and boring people with your troubles and repetitive thoughts
if you can eat the same food each day and be grateful for it
if you can take criticism and blame without resemtment
if you can resist treating a rich friend better than a poor one
if you can face the world without lies and deceit
if you can relax without booze,drugs or medical help
if you can honestly say that you have no prejudice against any creed colour religion or politics…
then,my friend you are almost as good as my dog….
Is Brown acid The Chai or it is a British slang for people of Indian subcontinent?
The way Osho amazed His 93 cars-today this small indian town has gathered news headlines, it shows also new India rising like a phonix.
Biggest Mercedes-Benz deal in a day in Aurangabad Fri, Oct 15 08:03 PM
Aurangabad, Oct 15 (IANS) This sleepy Maharashtra town showed its massive spending power Friday as 150 gleaming new Mercedes-Benz cars purred out of the company premises with all the paperwork in order.
The buyers, known as the ‘Aurangabad Group’, included top industrialists, businessmen and professionals.
‘We wanted to put Aurangabad on the world map by this,’ commented Rishi Darda, managing director, Lokmat (newspaper) Group and one of the proud buyers of a Merc.
The customers started trooping in since Thursday for the deliveries of the vehicles of their choice and the entire programme ended Friday afternoon on the auspicious Navaratri ashthami day.
The 150 cars which were lovingly grabbed included 13 S-Class, 74 E-Class, 39 C-lass, and the imported variants — six GL-Class and 18 ML-Class.
An elated Mercedes-Benz India Managing Director Wilfried Aulbur said there is tremendous economic power in tier-two and tier-three cities of India. ‘Today, it came to the fore in a bold, aggressive and dynamic manner with the sale of 150 Mercedes-Benz cars at one stroke.’
The total sales figure for the day came to Rs.650 million (Rs.65 crore), making it the single biggest deal of its kind in a day for the company in the country, said Manas Dewan, deputy general manager, product management and corporate communications.
‘All of us have worked very hard to reach where we are today. We all felt we deserved to satisfy ourselves – and to realize a long cherished dream. It could only have been the best – the Mercedes-Benz brand,’ said Rahul Mishrikotkar of RHS Ventures, who bought an E-Class.
Aulbur said that Friday’s record sale showcases Aurangabad as the ‘new face of India’.
The deal has created significantly high interest from investors many of whom are now actively contemplating entry into this city, besides several large brands which are now aggressively eyeing Aurangabad as ‘a preferred destination’.
Situated in the backward region of Marathwada, Aurangabad is world-renowned for the world heritage Ajanta-Ellora caves, the Bibi Ka Maqbara, Daulatabad Fort and the grave of Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb.
woof woof.
no racist slang there.
brown acid is a byword for bad acid that will damage your head or at least give you a bad trip.
“watch out for the brown acid” from “woodstock the movie”,one of osho`s favourite movies.
there he was,sitting in the movie theatre in calcutta or delhi,1970,watching satchitananda coming on stage..
hey man,god`s coming on stage….
300 thousand longhairs off their faces dancing naked,singing in the rain…
osho turns to his friend/disiples and says:
“these are my people”
hahaha
“white-bearded old satan and abominable misleader of youth….”
give him a nobel prize.
he`s run out of bog paper….
Shantam, you have this fixation about ‘loyalty’ to a Master, to a ‘Path’, whatever…
If there are few set golden rules, life and surely the inner journey will lose all its mystery. After all, it is not like doing 2 years M.BA. or M.Sc.
Set course for a certain path…
Loyality with Osho kind of man is also irrelevant as the man himself was not loyal to someone else, and neither He asked for it.
But still people sticked around Him, may be the message delivered was too powerful, potentials were too charming too risk everything.
Still somewhere a certain common sense is needed. A person who lefts the conferance at 4.00 PM must not boast what was the closing agenda at 6.00 PM.
People who gott engaged somehwere else after 1978 or 87, atleast should show a sense of honesty by admitting they don´t know what conspired afterwards.
i was sitting/sleeping in a church where few nuns and few others were meditating(not praying) for an hour or so.
At the end of the sitting, i simply looked at them with a sense of appreciation for the reason, they are not spoiled with this temptation, meditation could have gone deeper in the presence of some Sri Swami Bhagwan ABC.
SD
you can be awfully concise..
….concision
whittling things down.
circumspect also
…not making an obvious remark unnecessarily
gracious even ..offering tea
and a scribe also
of a certain quaint circumscription
delineating by refined perusal
and with incision
Kavita wants to know then..
are you?
as
she seems to like plain old knobs like me…
( i’ll put in a good word for you )
xx
Guys ..In joy .. ur selves .. / or whatever . . Iam . . IN to . . some . . place . . else . . a friend . . sent . . me . . mooji . . shitsang . . where he said . . there r no good byes . .
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1674597749805
l would like to say
Adieu
Adios
Au revoir
Cheerio
Ciao
Farewell
Good-bye
Sayonara
So long
Ta-ta
Toodle-oo
Toodle-pip . . .
Bye Dearies . .
K sera sera . .
I think it is a right decision for You Kavita to say, Good bye to Snews for a while. Discussions are good for solving the Kashmir or resort aka ashram issues, a male version game of war and peace.
Delicate feeling of arriving home simply gets polluted in public platform.
Love you Sis
Maybe Shantam is on Angel Dust.
Poor Shantam, that brown acid his left him brain-damaged, and this has led him to the Angel Dust.
somewhere one must land, alive or otherwise.
kavita..
bye .. u touched my heart…
though.. if you’d stayed we could have gone deeper and lower
but not necessarily longer…..
im too old for real spirituality.. i get mine second hand from shantam in his used clothes and – let me stay in your good – books store
good bye Ryvita ..goodbyeeeeeee
just cant trust chicks who do drugs…
this is the future
of our communes
worldwide ..
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otherwise
they will remain superficial
aye aye.
here comes another one who is a few dna strands short of the full atlantean quota…….
permaculture..
will we all have to be french?
Kavita, you say you’re enjoying your sleep like never, hmmm, also babbling in your sleep like never, so much so, your boyfriend Shantam sleeping next to you, picks that jibberish up while he sleeps and starts mumbling when he awakens…. ever try Scotch tape, babe?
Kavita departs and Meera arrives…. trick or treat from the same costumed clown, quick change/ flip artist…
p.m.- no, just fanatical about truffle hunting
yo
nice one Bubs..
me im just turning in for the night… no customers, and its raining.. and this damn mascara and lip gloss takes so long to wash off–
ttfn
prem martyn:
SD
you can be awfully concise..
….concision
whittling things down.
circumspect also
…not making an obvious remark unnecessarily
gracious even ..offering tea
and a scribe also
of a certain quaint circumscription
delineating by refined perusal
and with incision
Kavita wants to know then..
are you?
as
she seems to like plain old knobs like me…
( i’ll put in a good word for you)
xx
SD:
Flattery will get you – and K – everywhere, PM…
Reckon I might copy and frame that post of yours, no one’s ever said anything like that to me since school!
But, sad perhaps to say, I write better than I live…
Not that that’s ‘wrong’ or even unusual – I recall Osho telling someone in darshan (while looking straight at me) that there are two types pf people: those who express themselves better through the voice, and those who do it via writing.
I’m in the latter lot.
Which is partly why I tend to be one of “the massed ranks of psycho-spiritual hypocrites”, I guess….
Virgo Rising might also have something to do with it, I’m told.
so ur not jewish ?
ps.. kavita said she had to paint her nails…
Truffle badgers unite. Do any of you guys actually know what Kavita looks like? I do, due to Facebook. She is really beautiful.
Lokesh.
.beauty is treatable these days…it usually manifests in many debilitating conditions..
one of them is known as the typically self replicating syndrome of
Fugme
fugYu ! 
it can appear in men but usually found in little princesses…
many many many sannyassin women suffer from it…
( though it is known in the Osho centers as Univarsehole gazing
xxx
As some folks here may have realised, i do not offer spritual testimony, or ask for any, in lathered tones…
but any other money will do
Martyn, Most of these little princesses have grown into graceful ladies with soul and smile, they have seen lots of sticky and leaky pens and have earned SILENCE.
Because OSHO organisations on the top level have become exclusive clubs of male chauvanistic, chain smoker experts in wheeling and dealing, these graceful ladies are left on their own.
It needs little imagination to think, when the Australian, American, British Ma´s groomed by Osho himself, go into the Indian Metros for leading meditation camps.
The impact would have triggered a Volcanic energy.
But this has not happened in 20 years.
AGAIN A MANAGEMENT FAILURE.
Thousands of people were sitting in the gathering.
As there was no successor left behind, God came himself on the earth to conduct a referendum.
Some symbolic structure was needed.
So he asked in the gathering, ” Who will be the ears of the Master.”
Two hands were raised simultaneously.
Good, God proceed further, ” who will be the lips of the Master, the same two hands spoke in their best English, ” We sir, we.”
same was about every other organ. Whenever someone else tried to raise the hands, ” The British voice, objected. “No Dear God..person may have the infection and you know.. How much delicate master was prone to infections. Listen to Doctor´s advise.”
In this way, in the most democratic referendum of our times, two people became the hands, feet, eyes, ears, lungs, testicles of a legendary master.”There was some discontent. When the Journalists asked later to few in the audience, usual reply was, ” We have come here to learn silence and love.” As one can see, new body of the master is working quite fine. There is a little itch somewhere in the ass.
But it is not infectious.
A rebellious, intelligent and graceful woman, Someone like Osho would have groomed her into something more…..
I pity the nation that needs to jail those who ask for justice: Arundhati Roy
Read more: I pity the nation that needs to jail those who ask for justice: Arundhati Roy – The Times of India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/I-pity-the-nation-that-needs-to-jail-those-who-ask-for-justice-Arundhati-Roy/articleshow/6814239.cms#ixzz13S8ncXVm
i dont have a problem with a single doctor or a single master or a hierarchy…..
i have a problem with….all.. sannyassins…
anywhere anytime any place for any reason
and its incurable…
i could die of it….
Thank you for all the comments and opinions. I’ ll soon be writing about the other commune in Lumbini also, the birthplace of Gautama the Buddha, It’s called Osho Jetban, the construction work has already started there. The bulidings are under construction and sannyasins have already built a hugggge pond and a bridge over it. It’s beautiful. And by the way if you want to join there is a meditation camp with Swami Arun in November at Upaban, for details visit: http://www.tapoban.com
Thankyou all, much love
Em..er thanks for the update Neerav.
Martyn, you have a problem with all sannyasins….oh dear….have you tried epsom salts?
MArtyn, is there some group or a bunch of people, where you don´t have the problem but LOVE.
One thing i can imagine, which is probelm free and makes you happy, the group of hairs, just three inches below the navel
Four communes in Nepal?
Are there more than 5000 residents that one need, not one or two but four communes.
Or there are four type of personality types, so not to allow the conflict between them, one needs a separate cantonment for every barrack.
Most probably it is an property expansion plan.
There is nothing wrong in this.
Every religious leader, collects money from devotees in the name of their Ashram, commune, temple, church, Mosque, Gurudwara and what not.
After all, every Shepherd needs shelter and store room for their bunch of sheeps.
PS- Personally speaking, i find Arunji one of the most sincere disciples and human beings. He has earned His space in the crowded market.
loikesh… er… thats incredibubble fartt whirrr slusshh… and i thought it was a result of, prttttahhh… frittt… not realizing the inefffuutttaaable…
whoah thats better…
much..
do have a remedy for 25 wasted years….
is it a bigger dose ?
bubble fart squeak
ummm greeaatttt
do u have…
shantam…
yes u r right
there its
bliss
no sannyas needed
but the epsom salts are a good stanby if anyone has the same problem
xx
MArtyn, somewhere i must appreciate the inconvinient truth-
i have a problem with….all.. sannyassins…
anywhere anytime any place for any reason
And it is a open question to all those who consider themselves Sannyasins, (with or without the prefix Swami or Ma) to address this question.
WHy the Sannyasins have NO CREDITIBILTY left in their veins….
Too many holes to disappear into shantam…thats the problem…
out of the number of sannyassins i met/ lived with /laughed with ….hundreds and hundreds
half of them at least had severely disfunctional problems…
only two were a comprehensive friend who would throw you their lifebelt in case you were drowning….
the others
well many went their own ways like me..
a few never even bothered to look back and wave which was really sad….
those who wouldnt take the piss out of themselves werent worth hanging with anyway..
there was an enormous amount of self aggrandizement still is… makes me ill..
so i found the cure
epsom salts…
and avoid anything which says osho….
two things one of which is parody.. the other of which is apology….none of which osho did,.. bar the odd rare moment…
even when he said the ranch debacle was his responsibility and took the blame (remember he doesnt exist.. its just a figure of speech).. he still contextualized it by saying if things got out of hand he would step in as he did..
i appreciate that..
unfortunately.. i in my experience i rarely came across tenderness beneath sannyassins honesty… guilty of same myself… badly trained…
and guess who our role model was…
the great khan and his bunch of therapists..oh and his self reproaching autonomous meditations… (my foot)
for what end..
personally my end gets a great soaking now… far away from the selfish buggery of osho’s madamemoiselles….
and im eternally grateful to myself for having a good nose and smelling them far off…
all lathery mouths and pussy juice….
teensy weeny bit immature and self indulgent??
i hope so..
for the rest its groucho and chico and harpo
and for us rockn rollers.. i got tickets for joe cocker on his ‘hard knocks tour’
yaaaay
now shantam and anyones else whos listening… what would your life look liike without the herd…and with a combustible identity…
no osho no tapoban nothing
omg…
!!!!!
and warm lovers who really can love without knowing zip shite about consciarseness
reminds me of star trek… when captain kirk had to move on for the safety of all on board he would ask…..
Scotty we have a problem.. thrust the engines to warp factor 5
‘Captain, they only go to warp factor 4–, the engines wont take it….
Scotty i need all you’ve got……
‘Aye aye very well captain…’.
and somehow they all lived happily ever after.. despite the odd kling-on
What’s that smell? The photon condenser tubes will no’ take it!
News Flash..
following the recent number of man-made and ecological disasters around the world…. osho followers have just about managed to organise ‘ a piss up in a brewery ‘ rescue service..
From now on when the call goes out a dedicated team of ‘rescuers’ will respond to these emergencies with ready made provisions
these include :
A two week residential osho book and video study programme to help the confused and befuddled.
Answering the questions.’ So you’ve lost your home’ ,home is in the heart… all this is illusion….
An aromatherapy-aura cleansing and oshotarot deck for figuring out just why they attracted the disaster to themselves in the first place.
A refugee program mystic rose at the food distribution centres run by a team of swiss bankers.. You cry.. they laugh …then one week where nothing happens at all.. run by Indians..
World Peace development programme.. where members of competing forces are invited to Osho Tapoban to cross dress and find their feminine side whilst gazing into a military commanders eyes and saying I love you , just let go…….here pass me your rifle…
Followed by jumping up and down under pictures of the mighty khan…
then marching out of the budhha mess hall to the tune of the stars and stripes.
Realizing you are truth you are bliss you are freedom , feeling great.. and shagging aa many naive refugees as possible…
A fully paid up volunteer* force of past their sell by date Path Of Love (hourly rate *) therapists will scream abuse at the refugees , while they chant .. You cannot touch my purity . i remain the watcher on the hill.
oh and its a your responsibility tool kit….
Yes, that is all very well, but what about the photon condenser tubes?
Capn
im still building the personal rapport enhancement facility… they’ll have to wait….
achh damn klingons
Shantam,
I just wanted to share the practical reasons behind these communes. There are approx 75,000 sannyasins in Nepal spread all over the country, Tapoban can only accommodate max number of 200 residentials at one time and can have 500 visitors attend a session at once. When Osho was in Nepal after Rajneeshpuram he had strictly advised Swami Arun not to build huge communes so as the camps have started getting overbooked and crowded in Tapoban and we have no intention of making the commune so huge that people are known by numbers and not names hence the need for the new communes. Swami Arun is the inspirer behind all these projects but all these communes are independent of each other…of course they are an expansion of the work that Tapoban is doing but they are not an expansion of property. All the communes are expected to raise their own fund and run themselves, through camp charges and the sale of Osho books and discourses. That is how Tapoban runs. And this is just the beginning and soon there will be 75 communes in 75 districts of Nepal and I am not exaggerating. And by the way the updates is that its not four new communes anymore, its five…one was recently built in Dhading and one more thing its not just structures here, all the communes and centers thrive with Osho sannyasins and what is practiced here are pure Osho techniques nothing more nothing less. The work being done here is different from the rest of the world. Here you go…this is just the truth here but I understand that nobody believes it but we are so used to being doubted upon specially by the Old sannyasin’s community all over the world and what is the need anyways, happiness and joy to everyone here
well,arun and his gang are like
“star trek,the next generation”
the newer show is more modern,tech-savvy etc,but will it ever have the same oomph as the original series,with the charismatic and inimitable captain sitting in his chair,blasting through space,turning the warp factor up to 9 and beyond….?
the old fogeys will always swear blind that the original is best and un-trumpable.
the new generation will have their own ideas………
certainly,arun looks capable of baldly going where bald guys go…..
bon voyage……
how could the show ever be as exciting as before the old captain beamed up after his visit to the this obscure planet…..?
clean the whole of nepal up.
and turn it into a meditation theme park.
rename it shambala.
that would be a resort worth visiting……
surely that would pull in a bit of lucre….?
i guess those creepy guys in the khaki uniforms might want their cut….
slip `em a few brown envelopes and promise them a good job in the next life….
it`s doable…..
will there be jumping up and down Neerav, and lots of impersonal excusable shagging… with big smiles…
book me in…
words of warning from mister spock…
“its curious how you humans manage to obtain what you don`t want”……
martyn,
i have always found the human activity you refer to as “shagging”
most illogical…..
loneliness does strange things to the young and naive….mister spock
‘illogical captain… but forgivable…’.
Swami Atmo Neerav:
what is practiced here are pure Osho techniques nothing more nothing less. The work being done here is different from the rest of the world.
SD:
This I don’t understand – Could someone, preferably from or with relevant experience in Nepal – kindly, er, ‘enlighten’ me on what this statement actually means, please?
Does it imply, for example, that at least some of what went on in Poona and elsewhere (eg Veeresh’s work) while Osho himself was alive was ‘impure’, not really “true Osho” at all?!
And what is meant by “pure Osho techniques” – just the various meditations, publically offered for decades?
Things extracted from his books, eg ‘The Orange Book’, ‘The Book of The Secrets’? Gazing at his image for half an hour or more, or jumping up and down yelling “Hoo!” at his picture?
Any provision for those needing a bit (at least) of therapy (might be quite a few of them coming, esp from our part of the world)? Or are you believing that Osho meditations alone are more than enough to cater for everyone?
Many questions you see…more info required before such as I begin to kit myself out for yet another trip East….
Or does it just refer to the post-Osho period (ongoing)?
Last sentence above should be 3rd paragraph!! (Sorry)
And, to carry on Prem Martyn’s enquiry…
What ABOUT the, er, ‘sex issue’ anyway?
I have the impression that Arun & co. are comparatively ‘conservative’ on this matter, some would say somewhat ‘puritanica’ even…
Might that attitude be to placate the powers-that-be in the country, perhaps?
I have the impression that Arun & co. are comparatively ‘conservative’ on this matter, some would say somewhat ‘puritanica’ even…
You are wrong, my friend! you are wrong!
Frank, you make me laugh and cry at the same time as what you say/think is probably true.
thanks chetna,
always glad to be of service to the 24 carrot satsang cabbages and aloo-gurus on this allotment…..
turn on
tune in
and
veg out!
This is Scotty here. I am definitely tuned in, like, but a cannae get my masala pulveriser up to optimum Gs. On toap o’ that there are rumours about a Kligon attack on planet Pluff in 2012. I’ve factored in the Mayan alphabet and set the controls for the heart o’ the omniverse, but I doubt if the engines will take it. Please advise.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708473/
Star Trek
The Naked Time (TV episode 1966 #1.4)
The crew is infected with a mysterious disease that removes people’s emotional inhibitions to a dangerous degree.
captain,it would appear that mr scot has already consumed far beyond the recommended dose of psychoactive drugs ….
nonsense spock,
bones….,give scotty a shot of pure acid mixed wiith
special k immediately ….that`s an order….
Aye, Bones, that’s mair like it. I can see clearly now. Set the lasers for maximum impact. Count arun’s hordes are massing and preparing…..em..er..my minds gone blank….what exactly are Arun’s hordes doing. Please advise.
chetna:
I have the impression that Arun & co. are comparatively ‘conservative’ on this matter, some would say somewhat ‘puritanica’ even…
You are wrong, my friend! you are wrong!
SD:
Well…What a, er, er, relief!
Lokesh, um, what’s a “Facebook”? Got a http for that sweet young thing named Kavita?
What Arunji in Nepal, Neelam in Dharamshala, Yoga Chinmaya in Almora(most silent one) and few others all over the world are doing is a WORK WORTH COMMENDABLE.
What they have received at Osho´s feet they are sharing with their volks, they built the facilities from the scratch, there places were not bestowed the presence of Osho..still the way, i heard from people time to time, they generate warmth.
If Meditation does not sparkle Love and Love has no warmth, these people should go to their heart specialist, may be something is block in the arteries.
And those 6 feet and above westerns, who are so impressed by the Little Little Zen masters, should book their tickets from Japan Airlines. I think India is already too polluted, to take cold uranium pollution any more.
I hope these people will listen at least once, where Osho says, ” I am using all these old names and scriptures as Hangers, for my own coat.
Call it a Narcissistic number one of our time, but so is Osho, the man who was prone to use, misuse and utilise each and every thing.
I will call, redefining Compassion*
they`re taking over the world,captain…..
alien creatures with odd-shaped bald heads,funny eyes and beards are flooding every part of the universe…
nepal has already gone……
the tappers are sweeping all before them…
the world is fast becoming a morass of tantric extacy,sexual bliss,heavy breathing, superconsciousness and endless singsongs…….
its enlightenment,jim,but not as we know it…..
P Martyn- we are all herd animals, period. working on a Bio-dynamic dairy many years back i noticed how cows behave and have their hierarchical structure. Very similar to humans, but humans are to arrogant to admit it. Hence our problem(s). Tough nut to crack, it’s in the genes as “they’ say. Nature is built on evolution, it’s backbone from the very beginning on this planet was survival, and using each other as food; the hunter and hunted etc. etc. Some simple shit if you want to put aside one’s arrogance and stupidity and use honesty, truth(no matter how much it hurts) and common sense. But NOOO!!! Drama, stupidity, arrogance, rules every moment of human existence. I think when “nature” decides it wants love, compassion, intelligence as it’s foundation for existence for life on earth on this plane, then and only then will organized religion and gurus disappear, and clowns like Shantam, SW.Rajneesh, et.al. will stop babbling and become silent. Enough of my babbling, on to Kavita, yo, Lokesh got any nudes of her? Come on, boy, don’t hog the snaps, share with your horny dog bros. Wuff
“We’ve got phasers, I say we blast ‘em”- episode-”The Corbomite Maneuver”. Still applicable today.
Kavita- ” Didn’t I see you on Billbie’s Pleasure Planet”?– episode-”The Man Trap”
Shantam-a.k.a. Garth of Izar
I think when “nature” decides it wants love, compassion, intelligence as it’s foundation for existence for life on earth on this plane, then and only then will organized religion and gurus disappear….
(Bubbie D grade)
So atleast this much is clear, nature does not want comassion, intelliegnce etc. at its foundation therefore Organised religions are surviving and thriving.
Now let us, preseume Organsied religions disappear, what will be the next substitute?
Will it be like the Mom and Dad´s corner shops again when the organsied retail disappear, Organised industry disappear.
One thing is clear, Indians will still have the role to play. They will take Shit classes, how to wash the pow wqith hands, disappearance of organsied industry will also take the toilet papes away.
PS- I know, Bubbie..you will learn it yourself rather going to some Mauji/fauji or bauji.
Please, wash your hands two times, before touching the key board*
and clowns like Shantam, SW.Rajneesh, et.al. will stop babbling and become silent….
Should i treat it as compliment to be in the same sentence as Sw. Rajneesh…
One policy i appreciate from the resort Managers.
(thanks God.. it gives a nice feeling, once in a while to appreciate the high ranking fellow traveler. Do the passangers sitting in Business class and people crammed in economy class can be termed as fellow travellors).
The Osho Vatican in their path and past breaking decision few years ago have forbidden the use of Swami and Ma prefix. It takes the hirachy away, though everybody knows, who the boss is!
I think it is a realistic decision. These people have seen, dog will remain a dog even when you call it Tiger.
Why to confuse the already confused humanity.
In their place, i should have gone one step ahead, no need to take Hindi names also.
Scotish will remain a Scotsman…. British will be a British.. why to insult one´s family and cultural background.
And any way, if one is so fetish about the names from Hindi, why not reserve a womb of an Indian woman during the next visa application submitted to Dear God.
bubs.. fair play …the life is shit syndrome.. theres no getting away from that one….
trouble is that frank’s home made acid.. adds more to brain mapping issues… as the cia in talking to goats tried to figure out …and cows and sheep…
and then theres the whole issue of Darwinism being relevant to 19th century capitalism..
reductionism .. (even my finely honed ‘every sperm is sacred’ versions of reality) are only versions of the greater model…and so ad infinitum…
in truth theres no checking account… and osho’s definitions of limitation.. that unhappiness can never be satisfied … is not redemptive..and still allows misery or sin or stupidity to occur… not because of survival but because …death has as great a hold over consciousness as life does….
hierarchy exists..,though mammalian dominance enshrined through shared values are social interpretations, promoted by vested interests in historical phases… we cannot access all interpretations all the time….and only use whats relevant or useful…..pragmatically.
Osho did just that despite reputation for being an individulaist rebel , he was instinctively a social programmer.. he admitted that too…obviously
so..
what? …. transparency then becomes the only way to fuse opposites…
its the lack of transparency or accountability that leads to animalistic morbidity , stagnancy ,ambition ,greed….which in humans is de-humanising….
osho figured his consciousness could prevent a disaster whilst using methods of surrendering our self-protecting faculties to the greater good……
he tried….and so the bloody hell did we…at our own expense… and unfortunately each other….
but apparently the universe doesnt give a shit either way…does that make us stupid… or fragile….?
Question – Osho, Why are you called the Master of Masters?
Osho – Reverend Banana, Michael Potato Singh, Michael Tomato; dear gentlemen or ladies as the case may be… Because nobody has yet been able to decide whether these fellows are gentlemen or ladies.
It is a difficult question. I had to look in the Akashic records, and not in the past Akashic records — because it is not recorded there — but in the future Akashic records. This is a future story. Listen carefully.
It happened in Moksha, the ultimate resting place of the awakened ones. A journalist for the local newspaper, THE NIRVANA TIMELESS, was desperately seeking material to fill up the center page of the next edition which was due to appear in twenty-five hundred years. There was not much news around in Moksha, and soon he realized that he would have to make something up himself if the center page was not to be left empty again, as it had been for countless ages.
Finally, he hit on the idea of choosing which of the many Buddhas, Arhatas, Bodhisattvas, Christs, Kutubs and other enlightened beings abounding in the lotus paradise was the Master of Masters — in short, a spiritual Mr. Universe competition.
He summoned all the enlightened ones together and asked them to encapsulate in a short phrase the essence of their teaching, which would entitle them to the title of Master of Masters. There was, as usual, a deep silence which lasted a few hundred years. Finally a Zen Master stood forward and hit the journalist hard on the head. This was considered to be well deserved, but not very original.
Another hundred years passed and then a Sufi stood up and began to whirl. Unfortunately he was out of training, and after a couple of months he fell flat on his face, causing some merriment among the Hassidic Masters, who had been surreptitiously pouring oil on the floor to bring the uppity Arab down.
After some goading by Manjushree and Subhuti, Buddha slowly stood up and addressed the gathering in the following way: “There is no teaching and no one to be taught. There is no Master and nothing to master. Nothing can be said; there is no one to hear it.” Then he held up a flower and Mahakashyap giggled as usual. Many applauded the Buddha, but to the journalist it did not appear like the kind of news which would help him to sell his paper.
One after another the enlightened ones came forward to make their bids for the title. Moses gave a few new commandments. Bodhidharma stared at a wall for ninety years. Jesus made a mountain out of a molehill, and delivered a sermon from it. Diogenes displayed his suntan. Shiva and Parvati ran through one hundred twelve now positions they had invented. Gurdjieff drank twenty bottles of brandy, then walked on his hands on a tightrope over the plenum void, smiling with the left side of his face and grimacing with the right.
Lao Tzu had a good belly laugh at all these antics. Mansoor would not stop shouting, “Ana’l Haq! Ana’l Haq!” and finally had to be put in a straitjacket and given a couple of valium. Vatsyayana gave himself a blow job to demonstrate existentially that sex and samadhi were manifestations of the same energy — and so on.
It proved impossible to choose which of the awakened ones was the Master of Masters, since even the journalist h.ld attained to choiceless awareness long ago. But the day seemed saved when Teertha, a relative newcomer from England, stood up and declared with typical British diplomacy, “The greatest Master is the one who has yet to come.” Suddenly an Indian mahatma jumped to his feet and cried triumphantly, “Then that must be me — for I have been celibate for eighty-four million lives.”
By unanimous agreement the awakened ones decided that the mahatma’s samadhi was not yet “seedless”, and he was dispelled back to samsara to spill his seed once and for all. Just as the mahatma disappeared from sight, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh came out of his room, where he had been sitting all this time, and made his way towards a small marble podium in the corner of the hall. A deathly hush gripped the audience, and even Mansoor shut up. If a look of dread could be said to cloud those tranquil eyes, this is what happened to the gathering.
As Bhagwan sat down and leaned towards the microphone, a cry arose from Mahavira, “Wait! Wait! We proclaim you Master of Masters! Now please go back to your room.”Bhagwan smiled innocently and left the hall. There was a sigh of relief.
The journalist turned to Mahavira in consternation: “I don’t understand. Why did he get the title? What did he do?”"Nothing,” said Mahavira, “but last time he spoke here it took us seven hundred years to get him to stop, and send him to Poona!”
Source – Osho Book “Tao : The Golden Gate, Vol 2″
One may be able to dissolve the self .. but one cannot dissolve justice…
and its incompleteness asks for each one of us to at least acknowledge its existence…even if the universe hasnt quite got there yet…
prem martyn,
your above writing is worthy to be called, ” Post of the Day.”
i mean 9.58 pm post and its extension.
As per your insane postings, mr shantam you just don’t have the mental facilities to understand my points… try your luck with a herd of cattle mr. S. at least cattle use all their mental functions to exist, you on the other hand, either seemed to have decided “consciously”( a relative term) not to use yours, even partially to live your life, instead you go about babbling incoherently, in your luxurious rubber room called home, hoping those sound waves eventually bounce around and out to some poor unknowing sucker just passing by, and maybe those sound waves of “wisdom” will find that person to be gullible enough to partake in your “born again” buffoonery called neo-sannyas a la Osho. I just started a business renting out furnished closet space for dopes like you…. Business is unfortunately booming… i just put a down payment on a Rolls, my first of 94… gotta do one better than the old man…Gotta go, my Cristal is getting warm….
Just to make another repeated point… it’s obvious Nature’s intent, with their being so few “enlightened” persons existing at any one time. If the majority of the population were enlightened, then Nature is truly more insane than it seems.
Psycho Shantam… Why do you keep posting these Osho quotes…they don’t do a good job of disguising your psychosis. White Wash, by any other name
nature has only one provable aim.
to ensure that every creation or “emanation” is entirely original…..
nature “gives a shit” about that….
all the billions of humans through all eternity.
not one of them identical.
all one-offs….
if you look closely enough,not even two identical leaves or snowflakes….
you dont have to be “enlightened” to qualify for this uniqueness……….
what`s it all about?
no idea…..
prem martyn:
so ur not jewish ?
ps.. kavita said she had to paint her nails…
SD:
‘Fraid not, pure Aryan stock, Mr Tricky-Pricky!
Prem Martyn:
its the lack of transparency or accountability that leads to animalistic morbidity , stagnancy ,ambition ,greed….which in humans is de-humanising…
Prem Bubbie:
Some simple shit if you want to put aside one’s arrogance and stupidity and use honesty, truth(no matter how much it hurts) and common sense. But NOOO!!! Drama, stupidity, arrogance, rules every moment of human existence
SD:
And what are the underlying causes of this apparently unyielding “arrogance and stupidity”, “lack of transparency or accountability”?
Emotional pain…fear…fear of death, actual and symbolic…insecurity…Aren’t these a few?
Bubbie’s ‘solutions’ remind me of the encounter group/therapeutic community ethos – Veeresh & co., for example, might well agree.
Any other causes or solutions?
I thought the idea of ‘the spiritual path’ (please excuse this phrase, I realise it’s very outdated in these arcane circles) was to look into and hopefully deal with these very issues, primarily within one’s self?
PS:
Btw, Bubbie, although you have said you enjoyed 2/3 of BL’s ‘Origins’ book, your damning comments of a couple of months or more ago suggest to me that you haven’t properly grasped the point(s) there at all.
SD- by “BL’s”, do you mean Mdme. Blavatsky? Never said i read 2/3′s of any of her books… De Purucker is the author.. I am flattered you bothered to even check my postings from way back… once a bullshitter, always a bullshitter,; can’t help myself.
Shit written from 100 years ago needs updating even more so than Osho…. wisdom is always growing….tell that to these idiotic , stuck in the past sannyasins… and theosophists. Isn’t it the problem with all “religions”? Now entre the Neo-sannyasins a la Osho. Welcome to the club boys and girls.
Sd, it’s obvious its a genetic thing… can’t wait until Mother nature/ Father Sky gets tired of their cheap thrills and creates some “meaningful” genes. and P. Martyn, “life is a shit”…. Nature then must be a big shitter… cheap thrills..sadistic creature isn’t she/he? “One’s gotta know their limitations”… Dirty Harry
Psycho bro shantam, you say,” Now let’s say Organised religions disappear…” if nature does make the “love/compassion/empathy” gene dominant in humans(I’m sure if it can), i’m assuming it wouldn’t make humans degenerate into your view of that possible reality. People won’t start to scrape tobacco off the filthy floor into beedies; it might just happen you filthy Indians will wipe with the right instead the left after 10,000 years… “it’s a miracle!!!”- Shantam exclaims. And Jesus Christ shakes his head..”Can’t top that one, Lazurus, get back in the cave”.
“I’m sure”= “I”m not sure if it can”
Tapoban’s August/September Newsletter
So many things to talk about, laugh at, appreciate and criticize…here you go
http://tapobangallery.com.np/newsletter/augustsept10/
Tapoban’s August/September Newsletter
So many things to talk about, laugh at, appreciate and criticize…here you go
http://tapobangallery.com.np/newsletter/augustsept10/
From one of my interviews with Swami Arun:
Please share with us one of your most memorable moment spent with Osho.
There are many but I can tell you one. When Osho was in Manali after Rajneeshpuram he stayed there for one and a half months and I was there with him. There were only 18-20 disciples. Every morning at 9 o’ clock he used to walk near the Vyas River and sit in silence watching the Himalayas and the river for an hour. Sometimes he used to call somebody to sit with him in meditation or talk intimately with him. He called me on the very first day I arrived and I was the first person who was given this privilege. He was sitting on a wooden bench and I was sitting on the sand near his feet and I was free to ask him any question. Just sitting in his presence was a blessing and I can’t describe it to you in words. I can’t create that milieu. You are immediately transported to some other plane whenever you are in his presence. So a few times he called me and I was with him for an hour. Those were the golden moments of my life. No river can be compared with the beauty of a Himalayan river and no mountain can be compared with the energy of the Himalayas. So amidst this beauty I was sitting with Osho, something I had not even dreamt of. I asked him many personal questions because it was just two of us. I asked him one question which I would like to share with you.
It had just been two days after he had come back from Rajneeshpuram where he had access to all the luxuries in the world including his palatial bedroom, bathroom, and his 99 Rolls Royces. And now here he was in Manali living in a small room which was around 12sqmtr. His bathroom had a geyser but there was not enough power to heat the water. He had come from the airport in an old ambassador car and you know how dirty Indian taxies are. But he had no complaint and he was not missing anything. I missed Rajneeshpuram and I was sad and everybody else was sad except for Osho. He was damn happy in the Himalayas. So I asked him, “Osho don’t you miss anything?” and he replied, “Why should I miss anything? You look the mountains are so beautiful and see that cloud over there. Do you have this type of cloud in Nepal? Oh I love the Himalayas and I had always dreamt to come here and finally the existence brought me here. I am so happy in Manali.” That was his statement.
I said to Osho that when I was in Pune I had purchased a second hand bicycle in 40 Rupees and somebody stole it. It was my entire saving and after that I couldn’t even afford to take a rickshaw. I missed the bicycle for a long time. I asked Osho, “You had 99 Rolls Royces, don’t you miss the cars?” Bhagwan said, “No, I don’t miss them because I had never thought that they were mine. They were toys and I played with them. The play is over. You miss your bicycle because you thought it was yours. I never thought that the cars belonged to me. I was not attached with them but you were attached with that old bicycle. That is the difference and this is the lesson that I want to give to you. Don’t get attached with anything but enjoy everything that life gives to you. And in that way you will always remain free.” That was his message.
LIfe is shit /death
this is an opening gambit
not a closing one
think orgasm…and consciousnarse
death the great orgasm
in between get the foreplay right
or you end up like Adolf…
cows too can realise this suchness of this life according to those who testify to such things…
and enlightenment apparently doesnt lead to a state of non violence only non-aggression …..(only choice does that..)
think martial arts….etc
is life still shit….on a scale of interpretation yes….but luckily its at least 50-50
is this day or moment a struggle..?
again same answer..
Inayat khan said once that if god had not given us sex ,human life would be made of sorrow…..
and thats the whole sex experience i guess….not just the five minutes (okay two, im getting older…when it gets to none .. im outta here)
what is understanding ..if not the resolution of this…if it leads to more disease its no understanding at all…
is form merely a ‘content’ container.. which changes shape according to influence.. remember the bad acid trips and nils bohr’s unclear/nuclear ruminations
over to the teleporter captain… im disintegrating..
xx
Hey Neerav..
Ive got a very pretty girlfriend at the moment.
Do you think it would be a good idea to have her brains fucked out by other men,( sorry open hearted osho devotees..) in an osho centre… would i make more other men friends , with whom i could share notes on her clit …and real commune experience…Reaally .. what a fine exchange.. Let me consider that…Oh you say they dont give a shit once they get their leg over.. Oh that changes things..I mean i like rickshaws and bicycles and mountains, but it gets a bit tricky when six inches of knob gets stuffed up my girlfriends jacksi after an osho discourse that no one belongs to any body.. u understand that im not as pretty as even half of my girlfrenz and much older too so getting shagged for me is an investment… would looking at Oshos picture be a good subtitute for plugging my ears from the ah ahhh ahhh ugghh sounds…
ps isnt osho geat,,,especially all his male disciples…
so full of trust..and gratitude to errr bicycles….
..
another excerpt of an interview that i took of Swami Arun..
Are you a self-proclaimed guru?
I have seen Osho go through so much torture just because he was trying to help people. The first thing is that after he started giving sannyas his health deteriorated and he had to be confined to his air conditioned room all the time. He was criticized all over the world because he declared himself a master or Bhagwaan. He was not only tortured in America but many parts of the world because he wanted to help this dying humanity. If he had lived by himself, he could have lived a very comfortable life for a century just from the royalty from his books. But he suffered because he wanted to help this humanity which is MAD, SICK, which doesn’t understand compassion and always misbehaves with the masters. Anytime any master is born in any part of the world, this humanity will always crucify him whether it is Socrates, Jesus, Rajneesh or Mansoor. It could not even tolerate a simple and honest man like Mahatma Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. who were murdered simply for telling the truth and didn’t even claim themselves enlightened. So I have seen how this world behaves with a real guru. And the torture I have seen Osho go through in American jails, in Indian media, it is horrible. Still people are devaluating Osho and they haven’t been honest with him. In India, anybody who writes two or three popular books or serves the Indian language gets a lot of respect; he gets Padmashree, Padmabhusan or Gyan Pith Puraskar. Osho has given about 300 classical books in Hindi and 400 classical books in English that havev been translated in all major languages and are bestsellers and yet he was not duly recognized even as an author. He has designed 300 beautiful techniques of meditation for this sick society, do you see anybody giving him thanks? I have seen how this cruel society, how his own disciples have misbehaved and tortured my master and are still damaging his work. So looking at the whole drama only an idiot will try to become a guru and I am not an idiot. I will be the last person to become a guru.
ps grow up
….and fuck off
Many western as well as Indians disciples have the same privelege to ask Osho personal questions or serve Him.
But both relate to these feelings according to their colective DNA.
In the final analysis,as the results of a shrinking Osho movement shows, The steering command to Indians would have been better, keeping in mind their centuires long expertise in the matters of Master-Disciple relations.
I am sure, If Osho dies today He would have taken the decisions otherwise, simply for the reason, Indians in these 20 years have grown more influence in the matters of money and wheeling dealing.
Just imagine some Ambani, Birla or Modi becoming Osho´s disciples…present chairman will be shifted to main gate guarding or chopping carrots in the kitchen, not in a rude way…master´s way of chopping the Ego.
Osho was not attached to material things, but was a demanding child to have the toys. I bring meditation, you bring the money and we are a team. As the times were, whitemen had more money at that time.
Nothing wrong in that. After all, Osho was not born as a prince, one of the 10 or 11 siblings of a village cloth merchant.
Och, hoots. I’ve repared the condenser tubes and am having a wee break before maintaining the transporter room that transports ye to dimensions beyond the known.
Shantam I actually enjoyed the master of masters anecdote, but I suspect my your comments that you are a victim of meta-amphetamine addiction…..speed kills!
Bubbie, all you have to do is become a Facebook friend of Luke Mitchell and then check my friends out to find out about gorgeous Kavita.
Neerav, I enjoyed the story about Arun, sitting with Osho. Sounds amazing. I too talked to Osho many times and like Arun used him as a screen to project my spiritual dreams upon. This is where so many go wrong….they project their aspirations and spiritual conditioning on the masters. It took me many years to wake up to this. Many times Osho said that he was an ordinary man and nobody wanted to believe him. He was telling the truth. It took another teacher to show me that all this amazing nonsense we project on people like Osho is bullshit.
Ive got a very pretty girlfriend at the moment…… u understand that im not as pretty as even half of my girlfrenz and much older too so getting shagged for me is an investment…
Martyn….
Don´t you think martyn like most of the sannyasins of your generation you also have devloped some mind power to attract the solid skins with gullible minds.
After all, being with Osho has its own perks. One can play, left, right or central Liberal spiritualist and this quality definately makes 25-35 years women wet….
And if by chance,,,these obedient girls ask for a child.. stuff them in the backyard with Osho´s recycled material about
over population!
hhahahahaahhaha so that made you angry, you are such a baby..hehhhehee.
and by the way about your previous insecurity query regarding loosing your girlfriend in a commune because you are ugly, I m sorry Martyn, I am quiet good looking and very young so havent had that problem so far, so even though i really want to solve and answer your query, I can’t step into your shoes.
ps: i dont want to grow up because i may end up as an old insecure loser just like you. my prayers are with you , dont worry…LOL
Dear Shantam and Lokesh,
its quiet amazing to read your comments here, i find insights that i can take, appreciate it. thankyou.
In no other demographic group, so many May-December relations are exisiting as in the world of Sannyasins(ex. too).
And in almost 99% cases, MAy is the woman, who came to know Osho through the Harper and colllins compilations and December is the sannyasin of Poona one phase, telling stories How Osho used to give personal darshans, and we were just 15-20 people at one time, and since than i have stayed on the path unwavering !
Hold her with one hand, clear the moisture in the eyes with Other and use your instinct to see, whether the surrunder has happened. First Finger test will be done 35 minutes later!
and thats why u r a wanker neerav and im not….
no irony in your dick
just hidden agendas .. behind osh cock sucking….
and as i believe in appropriate violence id also happily smash ur face in
haha ha
Dear Friends,
All the things said and heard………………………………
There is always something that goes behind every creation be it small or big …..be it bears any importance to everybody or for a handful of human beings……..Same is true for Osho Upaban.
Osho always loved himalayas.When he was in Kathmandu after Rajneeshpuram(say manali),he instructed Swami Anand Arun jee to look for a place where he could live in himalayas.We have already a beautiful commune RAJNEESH TEERTH in Pokhara .Swamijee came to Pokhara to purchase a already running resort called Fishtail Resort.Osho also gave his consent to live in Pokhara.
Due to we Nepalese sannyasins bad luck,some thing went wrong due to which the resort could not be purchase and Osho also had to leave Nepal.In the mean time our running commune of Pokhara was closed due to various reasons,unknown to many os us.
Swami Anand Arunjee always used to talk about this with us,the pain and the shock of not being able to keep Osho in Pokhara ( aka Nepal),closure of our commune RAJNEESH TEERTH….Hearing all this from him,one day i visited the now closed RAJNEESH TEERTH of Pokhara.When i stand at near to the once vibrant meditation hall,tears started rolling and i was sobering like anything.There i also felt strong empathy towards Swamijee’s feelings,we will have to give one more try to establish a beautiful meditation hub in Pokhara once again .
After that i regularly used to request Swamijee to make commune in pokhara.May be due to Swamijee’s wish of keeping Bhagwan Osho in himalays’s lap has culminated in beautiful natural space Osho Upaban by Osho’s grace…By seeing Upaban flowering …Swamijee is also happy…..May be Osho is smiling and showering grace upon us ,like every body else….
Neerav, i have no idea, how is the sex scene at Arunji´s Osho Nepal.
But since my youth, i have immense respect and hungry looks towards Nepali women.
In 1983, i went to famous Delhi area GB Road with my two friends. It could have been my first time. MY eyes were focused on a Nepali woman, named Durga.
My heart said, ” she is too beautiful to be treated as paid sex. I told her so.. she smiled, touched my hand and said, ” you are just like my younger brother.”
Still..it makes me shiver with the feeling of right decision.
Now..at this age of my life, if i get a chance to marry a Nepali woman, it will be a home coming( no Puna kind of relating games any more).
thanks for the confirmation shantam…..
im just reading between the lines as always…
you know i like things straight.. from the start….
we say in england
‘put your knob on the table ‘..
Swami Yoganand,
after your devotional expressions, one technical question.
Do all these commune porperties are run as a trust or as a family enterprise?
it means, after the demise of the founder, share rights go automatically to the children and wife or some kind of inner circle will take care.
As i have seen in Osho´s case, and my heart bows down thousand and one times, He enever ever used the institutional influence and financial clout to protect or nourish His blood relatives.
Little bit help to some were offered as an elder brother, but as minimum as any middle class brother would do.
In a culture, where family is the be all and end all, Osho is a rare example.
When you put your nob on the table, it means, you are having a good dividend in the form of young chicks from the not so lost investment in Osho bonds.
A thankfulness is due to your ex guru?
Attraction is not in the looks but in the raw power Mick jagger kind of poona one sannyasins(ex.) radiate.
that would be inverse gratitude…
like thanks for hitting my head against the table mr police officer.. now i will leave the room with my head gushing blood but without broken legs…
who i am now is in spite of not because of osho’s…. ahem …work…
as i said a while back… my address book is empty…unlike mick jaggers….
i appreciate your ‘ up and at’ em’ encouragement… but i found my love elsewhere……intact…and
away from the rock n roll gurus
another excerpt from an interview with Swami Arun
Recently the American court made a decision against the Osho International Foundation suspending their hold over the word Osho as their business trademark. Please comment.
This is a rather late decision. It should have come much earlier. Because of the confusion created by the management of Pune resort, uselessly for ten years sannyasins had to fight a court case. Pune resort also spent a lot of money to protect their trademark and Sw. Atul and sannyasins also spent a lot of energy and money to make Osho free. So a lot of money and energy was wasted in something which was useless. Right hand had to fight with the Left hand and the energy which could have been put into Osho work was wasted in fighting. It was a nonsense decision to create Osho as a business trademark and have copyright over it. But thank god that truth and justice has prevailed and Osho is free from this trademark. All over the world people are happy except for a few managers who want to make a business out of Osho. This is a good decision.
Democracy or Sedition-
India is very much engaged on this issue on the backdrop of Arunadhati Roy´s comments regarding Kashmir being not the integral part of India.
I wonder, why someone does not ask her, is there something integral part. The whole life on earth is a patchwork. few patchworks fit quite well, few need restitching, few simply fall apart like great Soviet Russia.
Question comes in my mind why the organisation running in the name of Osho, who was speaking a very liberal language and who got hold of those young Christians who were fundamentally opposed to the low sighted decisions dictated by the Vatican.
As i wrote earlier, Moses or Osho kind of people have inbuilt Charisma to make the people follow them to the unknown terrains in search of a hold land, with in or outside. Everybody else must follow the path of dialogue and communication.
In Vatican, you are not suppose to pick up the opposite sex for a good night, in Osho Poona residents can do anytime of the day.
Is this all in the name of new man, new age.
Is this the end result of freedom.
Does this is enough to break the hierarchy of decision makers and the followers.
For more than 2 years, i am engaging myself on these issues at this site.
What international Herald Tribune is to America, in the same proportion, sannyasnews is to the world of Osho.
When none of the management dares to come out and address the issues in a dialogue, it simply shows, Popes, and Ayatollahs, Imams and Shankracharyas have only got a new coat.
Seems like, even Osho is unable to change the mind set.
When His closest people are the same like every other religious body , it puts questions on the effectiveness of social engineering called Neo Sannyas.
Neerav, you say, Recently the American court made a decision against the Osho International Foundation suspending their hold over the word Osho as their business trademark. Please comment.
I cannot understand how anyone can get hung up on a name. Such activity is pure nonsense. Osho also called himself bhagwan does that mean all the masters’ disciples whose master was also called Bhagwan should protest. Anyone who is passionate about such issues is a first class fool. Such mental activities are symptomatic of a person who is completely out of touch with the big picture. Meanwhile they rattle on about how Osho taught non-attchment. How about applying it for a change instaed of talking about it.
Beam me up, babe!
Osho taught Non attachment, Osho taught freedom, Osho taught Sharing, compassion…
Osho taught this this this..
Buddha Taught this this this and This…
Sri Bhagwan is teaching THIS plus this mius that multiplied again by this.
Beloevd God tell me, ” Is there some humility, some inetlligence, some light around us, which is not the private holding of someone.
Just a non cultivated goodness..when a stanger smiles and greets another stranger…
here on sannyas news we can call spades spades…
as such this activity is doing oshoness… whatever the merry fuck u want that to be….
next time im in tapoban i’ll ask about bicycles non attachments and Aruns penis on the buddha hall microphone…
then offer to screw someone elses girly… as a a way of commune building…and post the piks on sitonmyfacebook
or if u prefer announce an orgy fest… after every kundalini… that way we’ll all know what the concert tickets are for..
by this transparency …im doing osho’s non attachment blah blah.. and i feel great
by selling a commune business without any mechanism /structure for public debate or settling of scores you are not…..and i end up feeling like shit…
in fact everything gets sublimated to a dishonest fandango of medicrapitation…
beautiful women are not objects of social experiments, or a gurus plaything… they are the whole fucking point of existence
read your literature .. and discover what men have done for a womans love….and eyes and body…..and her joy….and care
u can tip all your gurus in the sea for all of that as far as im concerned…
Prem Martin, I struggle to read your comments filled with swearing which does not help. What do you mean by “offer to screw someone elses girly… as a a way of commune building…”
What happened? Have you been to Tapoban?
Lokesh I take your point regarding projected dreams, desires etc. near the Master One thing I am learning now-Do not trust anyone, especially all those gurus on their little/big trips full of nonsense.
chetna.. if ou dont know what happened under the masters gaze, whilst he was alive.. then im sorry i dont have the time….
if one more person says its all changed now, or this place is different… i’ll wank myself to death… and as for the swearing,
tits cunt fuck arse cock wank… are u cured now?
see
british humour still at work in meditational circles…!.if you want more go log on to frankie boyles website…
cheers…
oh and as to what happened….
i paid
now its pay back time
no i havent been to tapoban… i just have x ray specs from Bones on the Starship
Neerav, would you please respond to my queries of yesterday, please (copied below)?
Satya Deva Oct 26, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Swami Atmo Neerav:
what is practiced here are pure Osho techniques nothing more nothing less. The work being done here is different from the rest of the world.
SD:
This I don’t understand – Could someone, preferably from or with relevant experience in Nepal – kindly, er, ‘enlighten’ me on what this statement actually means, please?
Does it imply, for example, that at least some of what went on in Poona and elsewhere (eg Veeresh’s work) while Osho himself was alive was ‘impure’, not really “true Osho” at all?!
And what is meant by “pure Osho techniques” – just the various meditations, publically offered for decades?
Things extracted from his books, eg ‘The Orange Book’, ‘The Book of The Secrets’? Gazing at his image for half an hour or more, or jumping up and down yelling “Hoo!” at his picture?
Any provision for those needing a bit (at least) of therapy (might be quite a few of them coming, esp from our part of the world)? Or are you believing that Osho meditations alone are more than enough to cater for everyone?
Many questions you see…more info required before such as I begin to kit myself out for yet another trip East….
Or does it just refer to the post-Osho period (ongoing)?
(Last sentence above should be 3rd paragraph!! (Sorry) )
Neerav, would you please respond to my queries of yesterday, please (copied below)?
Swami Atmo Neerav:
what is practiced here are pure Osho techniques nothing more nothing less. The work being done here is different from the rest of the world.
SD:
This I don’t understand – Could someone, preferably from or with relevant experience in Nepal – kindly, er, ‘enlighten’ me on what this statement actually means, please?
Does it imply, for example, that at least some of what went on in Poona and elsewhere (eg Veeresh’s work) while Osho himself was alive was ‘impure’, not really “true Osho” at all?!
And what is meant by “pure Osho techniques” – just the various meditations, publically offered for decades?
Things extracted from his books, eg ‘The Orange Book’, ‘The Book of The Secrets’? Gazing at his image for half an hour or more, or jumping up and down yelling “Hoo!” at his picture?
Any provision for those needing a bit (at least) of therapy (might be quite a few of them coming, esp from our part of the world)? Or are you believing that Osho meditations alone are more than enough to cater for everyone?
Many questions you see…more info required before such as I begin to kit myself out for yet another trip East….
Or does it just refer to the post-Osho period (ongoing)?
(Last sentence above should be 3rd paragraph!! (Sorry) )
Apologies!
Prem Martyn, reading your posts, one thing shines through:
An overwhelming anger, grief even, at failing (just a word, I’m not putting that on you at all) to have found ‘real love’ for any length of time, in the ‘wonder-ful world of sannyas’…
You sound like a man whose dearest dreams have been ‘betrayed’…
And whose almost every word is coloured by that disappointment, esp as it’s hardly as if you never tried…
Hence the cynicism etc?
satya deva .. u have the same specs !!
er its not cynicism… darling .. last time i was near an osho centre it n greece….lived about 100 metres from the front door.in my own cottage..never entered the centre again after first six months. lived there nearly 4 years..with my partner who also shared the same values
.. u see after a few of those cynics, had got hold of things.. you know the therapists the centre leaders etc etc,,, you just had to look and you found brown nosing everywhere…..dreadful stains…
its not cynicism darling its a battle against hypocrisy with the only weapon i know
venting the spleen via british humour…..
i can quite happily call myself an idiot….
im an idiot
i can even over a cup of tea itemize my idiocy…..
but i dont sell it or offer it up as growth
so u can take it or leave it–its personal and offers little in terms of grandiose breakthroughs…
and
one thing sannyas never offered was pay back…
and pay back is needed more than ever when u r told that only meditation will heal you….and listening to osho for moments you were touched… and left pay back on the back burner…. but strangely pay back heals better than medtation…..(duhhhh did i not understand anything.. oh god let me try again to be pure )
i remember one time however, it was his last discourse… and everybody kow towed in that effortless head bowing…..i however (and remember this was the last time unbeknownst to me he was ever gonna speak…) just kept gazing at him .. with difficulty, saying to myself nope you are not different from me and im not gonna give you that this time.. you are a bloke… and either we are equal in my terms of reference or something is wrong with me or you..and after all the crap youve put me through in your name osh, i guess the least you could do is take a staight look back.. i was about eight rows in….
guess what …..i got the distinct impression he didnt give a shit what i did.!!!
.. a bit of a stony buddha, but that was usual… after that… well i felt like id been just childish… and then i thought….as the years went by…no i did the right thing… no more religion for me in this or any other life……no more sieg heil to the great white effulgent light… i’ll just take life on the chin… or not… without looking for anything more than my nose…
and guess what
it became a marvellous bullshit detector… from carnivore oshoists protesting their love of the universe.. to therapists encouraging girls to let their partner watch while they were multiple fucked to let go of their jealousy… to bullshit artistes who used every trick in the book to hide all their disfunctional violence…….
and so on through teaching at Ko Hsuan… just ask anyone who was there….the kids loved me… and kids have great really great bullshit detectors…..
and no im not gonna post what happened there… its too personal and would be unfair without a committee…
and then theres the 1 year with psycho nirmala in the london humaniversity……given her blessing to run the joint under osho/veeresh blessings
u see satya deva..
i was young
then there were good times.. but nothing that resembles the freewheeling me..now
. under khan the magnificent it was always gonna be sieg heil to the great white light…
and no pay back….unless you include the fact that after he opened his big mouth again he got killed… but strangely ..im more an opponent of the state authorities who did that, than of oshos experiment( i trust in anarchy.. and well, shit happens and osho’s paradox was that he was not a signpost for the ambitious commune builders… they turn up in their gleaming land rovers and gucci fashion at miasto in italy.. but actually an anarchist drop out role model dream boat).. so really the bad guys won….
and is he still my master..?.only as much as i am his master too now? see we are equal.. and he is still cute.. but no his dream isnt….
and now we me and him are both joined up with one voice
mine
non dual
come shit or shinola….
hope you like the humour…i do…thats why i write…
its not cynicism….
its bellamy’s world..on bbc
. its hilarious
and dont take it from me sd…ask someone who knew me… not a million miles from the editorial board here… am i an ineffectual cunt or not..
Thanks, PM.
Great stuff. I’m really enjoying some of these posts. That is why I keep popping back here, to see if that pheonix is rising, not from the ashes but the flames, because someone’s been putting out the fire with gasoline. Och, ye cannae whack it. Now who the fook stole ma x-ray specks. Give em back. they’re mine I tell ye.
re.the story of arun`s projection onto osho of the great non-attachment to rolls royces that he wanted so badly for himself and his pedal bike…..
the story is misleading.
first,osho really did never own those cars.
did he fill in all the registration documentation?
look under the bonnet?
fill up with gas?
book the mot?
of course not.i doubt he could tell one from another.
it was just test driving.for a few miles.
no attachment,no problem.
what we don`t know so much about is his attachment to,for example,vivek…
now,there,he actually got to look under the bonnet,
he got his spanner out and got his hands a little dirty….
excuse me for being nosey,but the story of this attachment or lack of it will be more interesting than a hagiographic eulogy to non-attachment car-hire……
btw..
satya deva,
don`t expect to ever get an answer fron neerav about “pure meditations”…
some sub-hypnagogic gobbledegook maybe….
he is on a great propaganda roll….
and truth is what works,remember,
even when its bollocks……
Frank you know what gets me really upset…
i mean really
is the fact that you spotted..
‘ to baldly go where no bald man….’
im still reeling from the sheer dumb stupidity of mine… not to have seen it before you… damn damn damn …( thats beginning of the theme tune by the way not my upset….)
well,i certainly can`t argue with the fact that he is clearly showing non-attachment to a full head of hair……
just had gottfried von purucker on the old astral skype….
its amazing the stuff he finds in those akashik records….
in there,it clearly says that over 90% of enlightened beings….
a. their heads were large in proportion to their bodies…
b…they were below,usually well below avarage height
c.. were bald…
at first i thought itv was just eso-mumbo-jumbo…
but check it for yourself…
the large head is for the highly evolved brain.
aparently,they found the skeletons of a whole bunch of these guys who lived in what is now namibia,on the skeleton coast, thousands of years ago….
the strand-lopers
beach walkers
they just wandered up and down the beach,enjoying having a huge brain functioning at 100%,apparently,its a hell of a lot of fun,(we vegetables here now use about 10%) and taking it well easy.no possessions,plenty of seafood watching the sun and moon sinking into sea………….
they didnt leave much trace,just a few large skulls….
archaeologists reckon they might have got wiped out by some more dimwitted psycho guys from inland who thought they were easy meat and hadnt bothered to get tooled up….
These days all enlightened men have bald heads. Take me for example….
Yes, the Vivek story was a bizarre one. I would be lying if I did not say I was curious about her tragic ending. Thing is, although Osho was a very public person, quite a lot of his time was spent in a private world.
Osho gave a lot. I mean to say, he threw parties on the grounds of his home for years on end, not only that, they were great parties. Yes, he had the perks. take all the Rolls Royces for example. All that glitters is not gold. For the kind of driving Osho enjoyed (very bad and dangerous by most accounts) he was driving the wrong car. I had a job once where I got to drive lots of Rollers. Once the novelty wears off, they are a boring old tank to drive. Gimme a top of the line Merc any day of the week. Osho, really did not know much about automobiles.
Back to Vivek. My wife is good friends with a woman who lived for many years in Osho’s house. She was also close friends with Vivek and one day she explained something to me about Vivek that cast her in a very different light in my eyes and her death. I would be breaking someone’s confidence to speak about such private things on a public blog and I will not do that. Suffice to say that Osho was amongst other things a human being who had a private life and what went on it it is really nobody’s business. Osho was a giver and he gave more than most. Joking apart, sometimes even on a shit-slinging website like this a little respect is due.
he gave more than most… ahh he shagged every night…well thats fine by me…
ps they’re both dead …they wont mind….
lokesh,
not only vivek was caught in that gap beteween private and public life…
that blur between private and public life is where sheela operated…
the laughing gas story is wedged in there,too…
the inner circle live there too,their power is based on it….
Prem Martyn,
Every psychiatirst will tell you to drop this borrowed name first, The Osho kind of name which is sticking with your Po like a dried Pamper.
Can you still remember the name, your Parents and grand parents were calling, how long you will go on insult them with sannyas name.
So.. pay back, be a whisle blower but reclaim your lost identity first.
Suffice to say that Osho was amongst other things a human being who had a private life and what went on it it is really nobody’s business…
This is true about each and everyone who is born and die on this earth. Without the photo shop work, and paparatzi kind of scrutiny around, Buddha or Jesus or those little little Zen Darweshes will also look like human beings, may be more efficient in their branch of action.
Any way, Satya Deva, should shed some light about his adorations for that homely looking south Indian lady.
What Arun is for Nirav, Meera can be for few others.
if u stop eating meat mr iqbal and calling urself a spiritual seeker…then u can call me whateverb u want
The mythological stories say, ” Buddha is standing at the gates of heaven. Like an efficient gate keeper, He will enter the show, when all the 6.7 billion audiences have enetered the huge cosmic hall of heaven.
It wil take hell of the time. May be some one out of charity should offer him an internet connected device.
Definately he has not seen the boobed jobed WAG´s and other Bikini clad beauties….and free downloadable movies.
MAy be he should resign his job and get birth again, may be this time as some Indian industrialst´s son.
Earth is really the interesttin place to be.
Like you martyn, i am also in the identity crisis.
To be honest is good for the heart.
But in this game, you are doubting the king Osho, i am blaming His lieutenants, the imported ones.
My eating meat and publically saying it has a symbolic value. It is like breaking the discipline of the school.
When people have broken the very constituion, breaking some discipline is just a small act.
burning the buddha is very zen , no?
but please feel free to call me anything u like.. freedom higher than love !
oops suddenly im getting all quotey with you… how dare i ?
thats cos you’re so quote….and trusting of er the er um that the ..ah i know lets say..Osho ..
yes im sure u feel better now calling it osho instead of shantam speaks… just like all the other power trippers…
power trippers for love…
how cute
I think, the present generation of seekers, specially those who have travelled to India are strong enough to burn Buddha, to chop Osho when he comes on the way.
But for God sake..don´t take the imagination of enlighenment away.
This is the biggest hope for such people.
I hope, in the coming decades, it will be proved, as one of the mind game.
And even if it is real, so what.
If even after enlighenment one has to travel like a sales man and that too in a crowded market, i think..it is not worth a product.
dont worry shantam…
the earths future is safe with us…have u ever thought of being an archivist….
and btw
theres a lovely piece on radio 4 about writing about things we dont do..
like instead of why i like painting— the subject is ‘ why i dont…etc etc
should keep us all engaged here…
lokesh.. tell me more about why you dont speak about things you dont speak about….
ive got all night….
had a quote from plumber once who said if I didnt pay him for the work he hadnt done, then the work he hadnt done would cost me hundreds of pounds in having it done, again.
Just an open Question ..Is there some interesting videos at Youtube other than puppet ji, in the same line of subjects Osho was dealing with.
If someone refers his choice, i promise to watch that video from bigining till end.
It will be a joy to taste Paneer cooked in a differant art, yet 5 star taste.
shantam,or anyone…
try: arj barker-sickest buddhist
on youtube
Frank u da man….
most xcellent dude…
Martyn….lokesh.. tell me more about why you dont speak about things you dont speak about….
Well if my sources hear that I’ve betrayed their trust they won’t tell me anymore top secret inside stories. Having done a spot of hard time myself I do so very much enjoy a good inside story. Surely that is not so hard to understand.
A little respect is due…ha fucking ha. Osho himself told me that one of the most stupid things a person can indulge themselves in caring about is how they will be remembered when you are dead. Anything I write on here is just for fun. I’m a real drag to be around when I’m serious…ask my wife.
Matyn says…dont worry shantam…
the earths future is safe with us.
He’s right…in fact the earth is also safe without us.
Shantam maybe you’ve seen George Carlin, maybe not…when he is good, he is very good….you might enjoy this.
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Arun says he was the first person given the privilege to sit with osho in Nepal…. give the fuckin’ guy a medal!!! you guys in nepal rave about the place like it’s a polynesian paradise, the glorious views aside, it’s just a half step above India, you people can’t even form/retain a government for more than a few months…keep on building those communes and keep on hob-knobing with those political losers of yours-it won’t do you pee brains any good… Arun, you remind me a little of that turd Dalai Lama, and please, someone deflate that Goodyear blimp of an ego of Arun.
Lokesh- yeah- I heard reliable stories from the old-timers about the “old man”. Mentioned them quite a few times, seems people don’t want to hear them, just too afraid to accept his “ordinariness”. Yet, it’s understood he wanted these things to be kept secret, he wanted this “holiness” aura that he had with sannyasins to be retained and knew that if the truth were to be revealed, people would drop away like flies… the general public has this absurd idea of what a “holy man” should be like and fucking and partying is NOT part of that fantasy…. 20 years later….as you well know from reading posts on this site, the stupidity and retardation continues, and getting bigger and better organized by the day….
frank-talking about big heads being reserved for “holy men”… those that were found in Namibia from thousands of years ago… fast forward to today…. it obviously doesn’t matter…. for it to matter, nature would have to give the majority of humans big heads… obviously she/he doesn’t care to do so, hence my earlier points.. Hey mama Nature– stop the tease-please, you’re obviously pissed off at something– take a quaalude and then think it over, babe.
lokesh- if Shantam wathces any of Carlin’s stuff he’ll end up like the “wicked witch of the west”…I”m M E L T I N G !!!!
Just another thought re your ‘sannyas experience’, Prem Martyn…
Would you say at least part of its net value was to teach you – in real life-experience terms (ie the only way anyway) – the folly of having ‘expectations’ of people and situations, however ‘hyped’, seductively attractive and/or longed for they might be?
As well as ‘seeing through’ your perhaps immature, child/adolescent illusions (and/or delusions!), eg of an ‘all-wise, all-protective father-figure (and ‘extended family’)?
If so, it seems to have done a decent enough job, doesn’t it?!
Hard way to learn such things, I guess – but many of us have gone down a similar route, however approximately.
I’m just wondering though, whether you think you might be over-emphasising all the negativity, at the expense of whatever ‘freedom’ you’ve achieved out of it…
As you can sometimes sound more like a ‘victim’ – an angry, aggrieved one! – than the ‘finder of truth and freedom’, which I reckon you are, in your own, ‘crazy’ (note the inverted commas, please!) way.
(Oh well, up very late again…Hope I haven’t put my foot in it….
Satya Deva,
Im sorry with so many comments coming through I missed your query.
Pure Osho Techniques- Meditation techniques that were designed by the master himself… i think you are not aware of the new cults in Nepal, India and West that think of themselves as enlightened and have tampered with many of his techniques since its not “good enough”
prem bubbie is so jealous! and mad at the same time!
Who is he hurting? himself!
“I will be known through my sannyasins” – Osho
Nice line on the beginning of the board, I hope people read it before writing on this discussion!
another osho quote-yet again!! give it a rest Krishnananda, for I can quote osho saying the exact opposite, one for instance which he said that he would leave things in such a mess, on purpose, so no religion would be build on his name. Forgot that one rather conveniently, ey, mr k.? who needs jealously to point out the stupid shit still being done by using osho’s name. Sounds rather familiar, say like Christ and the christians that followed… amazing arrogance on your part and other sannyasins, Mr. K.
Neerav, and what do you think you belong to, Fool!!! A cult, an overbearing, pompous- ass group of psychologically unbalanced, hormonally deprived, full of overgrown infants, needing to prove to the world they’re important and deserve to be in charge. So, Mr. Neerav, put a sock in it. Got balls, dude, sheer balls to post your shit about other “Cults”
hey Lokesh, which “Luke Mitchell” are you? there are 500 of you guys… how about location, that’ll help in my search—btw- just kidding about “What’s a facebook” Not that old of a fart, yet.
Bubbie….here I am….on Facebook I will become friends with almost anyone, so everyone is welcome. In the real world I have a handful of real friends. Some of them are sannyasins.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/profile.php?id=617034054
did somebody say K . . here . . l heard . . that . .
1 jus has to click on my name . . above . . and if 1 is already a FB’ite . . he / she will c . . me . . but thais cud B . . dangerous to 1′s life . . its UP 2 U . . Always
Locky boy . . the1st . . :- Lokesh // Oct 27, 2010 at 10:34 pm . . link works . . 2nd 1 . . U have to go to ur profile page . . and then copy the link . . lf u copy . . the home page link . . then 1 reaches 1′ s own home page . . Dear
anyway . . did that . . hOpe u don . . mind . .
Lokesh / Luke Mitchell ‘s FB link : below
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=617034054&ref=ts
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@ . . Sannyas News . . wondering if moderation / any thing really . . Exists !i . .
Kavita, click yourself. It is an empty page.
I know it will make you happy to see it E M P T Y::..
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SD … i dont have any answer for my condition…..
lets just say its all process…
and if reading it makes you laugh or think or analyse my motives…thats cool…
does it do the same to me… of course..
am I Ok with the way i turned out… very much so when I look at what was being fed to me…and how others turned out… so they remain naive..(dont all rush to blog ). i escaped it…..hooray….
and the emphasis has to be equally on the abuse of power not solely the abused’s response to it ..
am i happy?
lets just say .. i havent found any one else id wanna be… though i wish life was easier…and more obviously ridiculuous in the real world where mother nature forces people to go out to work…9-5…to survive….
no wonder we wanted a commune of something more fun…and were willing to pay with our testes for it….
thats a shit planet…. or a shit humanity…. viva george carlin….and thanks for trying to osho…
Shantam . . thats probably bcos . . Sannyas news . . doesnot . . have enough . . funds . . to . . UPgrade . . I guess . . anyway . .
Ksera Sera . .
Bye . . I fly . . again
IN . . My . . Own SKy . .
up ur own arse
we have a rear entry available captain…
‘steady Scotty, she’s not from our world…’
i meant the Enterprise , Capn…
How innocent people, educated and articulate people, gave up their life for the cause of a commune, the most prestigious social engineering institute of its kind.
The moment founder died, test tube mouses tunred lions started eating each other. Survival of fitess forced it into a meditative resort, where you can bring your bicycles for fixing the puncture.
One of the biggest emotional rip off.. !
Swami Arun’s upcoming camp on a cruise in USA. You are all invited.
Osho Meditation on a cruise with Swami Anand Arun – Art of Gratefulness. Here are the pictures and the ad:
http://oshona.com/carnival/
about the profile links people post… stop being retards and dont fuck with virtual… u r already virtual .. how much more anonymity do u want?
the links to these things are always sniggers…how much effort do u need to post a snigger?
kavita’s profile includes a link to premal and miten….
ooh what a surprise…
miten’s music… and i knew him from years ago .. is now populist bandwagon elevator music shit… they bought the osho sannyassin personality profile hook line and sinker…
what a pair of wankers…
they were recently interviewed by that piece of shit Clare Solway… (no thats not a halloween costume her face is actually .like that.ex of .teerthas/Paul Lowe the sex Psycho )
about the interview…
laughed my tits off.. couldnt watch more than ten seconds
so much pus between them… the music must be some form of toilet relief….
Swami Arun’s upcoming camp on a cruise in USA. You are all invited.
Osho Meditation on a cruise with Swami Anand Arun – Art of Gratefulness. Here are the pictures and the ad:
http://oshona.com/carnival/
SD
why do i say these things… cos nowhere do you find anyone bothering to…say it straight….
went to a reunion in UK .. i was actually asked to perform comedy..
and as soon as i went in the hall i saw teerthas brother… what a lump of shit…..so i left the hall returned to do the comedy and spent the whole evening avoiding contact with anyone by walking the villages darkly lit streets and going home asap
thats how much i love sannyassins
Why not avoid sannyasnews too, Marty?
But it seems, sannyasnews is playing the role of Agony Aunt.
Neerav, the enthusiastic young Nepali Sannyasin from the linage of Osho and Arun,
The information ad. for cruise meditation camp is well fitting at the notice board of Snews or sannyasworld, the portal for events and happenings.
By bringing it in discussion area, you simply show, feet are not on the reality.
More over better place will be Times of India, millions of enquires can come. Arrange Visa for inner study tour and four days later become, one of the millions illegal immigrants.
PS- In the history of America, Millions of illegal immigrants have got the legal status, but it could not happen with Osho.
I see two reasons.
Osho was too smart, intelligent and agent provocateur, the fragile ego of American collective mind could not digest, some one from third world making jokes about their religious heritage.
Secondly, the legal and think tank team was too much burdened by their over estimation about their own cleverness and the divine graceintervenece..
’steady Scotty, she’s not from our world…’
Aye, captain, I suspected as much. Send in the truffle badgers and steer a steady course. The further away we are from that damned Arun planet the better. Oh Oh there is a new blip on galactic sonar, seems like the clingons are onto us…warp factor om…hyperventilate the dynamic ventillator tubes and just for fun call it a spiritual experience,
Neerav, luv, pure techniques is an arguable point. In Tapoban (which I love) you have Arun’s style White Robe (not Osho’s, not Oregon’s as Arun sw says-watch the videos.), there are energy darshans which Osho instructed to stop, you wear malas that were dropped and marron clothes. You have loadsa hindu mantras which have nothing to do with Osho. Bowing downs to all sorts of Saints.. You have a more religiously organised commune than anywhere else. But compared to other places, you guys think this is pure Osho and you are better than others. A bit of enlightment trip there too…..we are the best, you will save the world!
And I know all this is quite innocent, as frankly, most of Nepalee guys cannot go anywhere outside of Nepal/Asia to open their eyes a bit more and see for themselves and not just trust every “holy” word of Arun sw. That I wish will change with time and you can make your own independent judgements.
Sorry, but even though I love Tapoban and its people, I do see “the other sides” too.
And just to add, Tapoban and Puna, as far as I am aware are the only places that charge “white faces” MUCH more than locals. I do not like that!
shantam i can ignore u any time u want just say the word…
thanks for the post chetna..
very interesting
im not an ex sannyassin.. im a big troublemaker…who loves to party…
ttfn
Swami Aatmo Neerav:
Satya Deva,
Im sorry with so many comments coming through I missed your query.
Pure Osho Techniques- Meditation techniques that were designed by the master himself… i think you are not aware of the new cults in Nepal, India and West that think of themselves as enlightened and have tampered with many of his techniques since its not “good enough”
SD:
No, I can’t say I do know about such “cults”, Neerav.
And you haven’t really been that specific in your answer (from your response to Prem Martyn, too busy, perhaps, impressing the ladies with your youthful virility?!).
So would you say, then, that various therapy endeavours – Veeresh’s work (‘Humaniversity’ therapy), for example – fall into that category?
And specifically, what is on offer now at the new place(s) in Nepal – daily public meditation sessions (ie as per Poonas 1 & 2)?
Is that it, or is there more, please?
shantam i havent read a personal story of yours in ages……
do u actually exist as a person and not just a metaphor
shantam is like the writing on the sannyasnews, which is like the mantra of the museum guardian , which is like the repetitive formula, which is like i cant personalise anything, because i have like a collective indian metaphorical condition , which is like inherited at birth which makes little girls like scared of me as if i am like a gibbering walrus, lumbering around , like a part time psychologist without any experience of therapy, which is like all the untalented osho wannabes who are like …me….
You nailed him!
PS: Shantam, it’s not YOU, it’s only your, er, ‘literary persona’ (surely?!)…
Isn’t it?
Leave Shantam alone. He can’t help it if he is an acid casulty.
premal and miten- as it’s always been- they’re out to make lots of cash, playing lots of trash(music), to hoards of new-agers into the latest fash(ion) with the osho tag. from the pyramid schemes of the early ’80′s, selling “holy” liquids and powders, to laser lights treating headaches that good screw could cure… and selling “special” music meant only for seekers and charlatans… I’ll take a blowjob, Johnny Cash and Jack Daniels straight up anytime.
Spoken (or was it written?!) like a good ol’ boy, bubbs!
As the Chicago Police used to say, during the anti-Vietnam War riots of ’68 (I was there), “Let’s go get ‘em!”
Or, as we (slightly more polite) Brits have it, “Cheers, old boy!”
Thankyou Marty, Lokesh and Satya deva for nailing me.
I love well deserved punches and feel thankful to you.
I hope you will do better home work next time, there was not enough conviction and authority.
SD, it is not my literary persona but me as Shantam Prem, take responsibilty of all that i have written.
The pain, the anguish the unjust one sees, simply takes the form in words.
It is no theory, it is not a job but love affair with Osho´s teachings, insightfu sharing.
It is the eye witness account of rocket going up and than…. FUUUSSSSSSSS..
Shantam, you experiencing ego loss. Suggested reading, Bardo Thodol….the bit about being chased by monsters will be something you can relate to…oh oh, gotta run….here comes a wrathful diety.
thanks for making me laugh. Laughter on self is soo good.
Wrathfuk diety and me?
I am as melllow as an elephant or may be like a lost Indian dog on the streets. Few dogs prefer to be hungry than to eat anything from anybody or a barking dog, when others are carrying In Silence batches.
bubbie . . u . . son of a whatever . . u mind / police . . l guess . . u jus need a chance . . to show your true colors
Satya Deva . . u . . no different man . .
u . . Bloady britts . . u guys need to be wanked . . real badly . . (:
Marty boy . . l have added some more music .. do police around . . again . .
Locky boy . . any of ur experts comments . .
for all us . .
” for us all . .
”
Locky boy . . Oidhche mhath . .
have to rest . . now . .
Shantam..
heres a song sung to the tune of Premal and Mitens
la la la music
and Performed by Kavita…
Its called
‘ Let Me wank You Brits Off ‘
….
I cant write like
I cant sing like
I really cant do anything
Im like an elephant who is mellow like
a cowed lost hungry little dog fellow ,like
anyone who sings in snatches my words are written indecipherably in batches,
so in love with Osho’s teachings like
a firework in the sky
i would tell you all to go fuss yourselves
(like his words , whatever you say)
my writings will never die
My compliments are like faint praise like
you’re damned if you do or dont, like
i really am not that bothered like
as long as I can gloat..
like my love is just like oshos
inspired by humble pie
like if i meet a wrathful deity
i’ll tickle its solar plexus and laugh, like
until one of us dies
altogether now….
Chorus:
Premal you’re one ambitious chick,
the mogadons didnt work
when you and miten corner the market in la la tunes,
its easier than going to work…
Shantam Prem:
SD, it is not my literary persona but me as Shantam Prem, take responsibilty of all that i have written.
The pain, the anguish the unjust one sees, simply takes the form in words.
It is no theory, it is not a job but love affair with Osho´s teachings, insightfu sharing.
It is the eye witness account of rocket going up and than…. FUUUSSSSSSSS..
SD:
Who or what’s making such a “FUUUSSSSSSSS” about it then, SP?
Ever looked into who exactly is constantly re-creating and feeding this “anguish” you like to write about?
Ever wondered who or what – in the final reckoning – is making you – apparently – unhappy?
Careful S.D. Shantam-dogster is still in mourning for big-dog papa-san…. I can hear him howling way over here in the left-coast of N.A. someone please give the dawg a bone
Yes, Kavita, you go rest now…. please remember to unplug the electrodes before your head hits the pillow–excuse me, er- wall.
Neerav- regarding that cruise next year, personally I think the ship will sink with all of those big, heavy egos hopping around. man the life boats, de ship, she’s a s-i-n-k-i-n-g!!!!!! Aye, captain…..Ride, captain ride, on your mystery ship—not!!!!!
Neeran, about the cruise next year, I think the ship will sink, with the big heavy egos farting around… The Ship, she’s a sinking!!! Man the life boats– aye, captain. Ride captain ride on your mystery ship- not
neerav, not neeran– yo sannyas news- why the difficulty with the posts? Git off yer lazy asses
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In case anyone wants to understand shantams metaphors better.. please watch these
and this one is to explain shantams love of osho
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or this
as to what indian puppy love looks like
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In case anyone wants to understand shantams metaphors better.. please watch this
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or what shantams love of osho is like
My first thought coming out of bed was, ” somewhere on a personal level Martyn, has shared much of his personal outpourings.
MAy be one Martyn is hidding hundreds of others people behind, who think in the similar way, who feel ripped off, who will prefer No Sannyasin around.
The image of sannyas has taken a real beating!
MAy be it is always with mass religions and spiritual movements, with one guru and thousands or hundreds of thousands of disciples around.
As far as nos. are concerned, a normal local guru in India has more following than Osho´s all international sannyasins together.
But they all offer, simple sugar pills or at the most Asprin like stuff in their PARSAD, same is about export quality gurus or Tolle´s of western world… Even if you folllow with your whole being, you cannot fall deeper than in the children´s swiming pool.
To see this goody goody measures, Osho i think was offering Anti Bioltics on a mass level. Many got reverse side reactions, but His over the confidence approach was not willing to accept that some after the sale service is also required, that just by being closer to Him is not enough….
Results of last 35 years are not very encourging…people in leadership positions must think that their Aura soma bottles are good, but not that good.
Teeth whitener pastes may create a nitche in the market but the people in its manufcaturing and distributing are having still yellow teeth.
People who sell fantasy can be forgiven but not those who are in the business of selling truth….
Osho as a human being, as a master has shared enough…it was the excess ego trips of the Disciples, the inner circle disciples which has always plunged the Osho´s world in deep ditches.
When there is no Sheela, there is no hostile American adminstration…even on a plain road..milege is less than a scooter..Osho´s new man, new humanity, new medittaion techniques.. NEW NANO world.,,
It is not a faliure on the part of TATA OSHO but His managers… The people who brought Sodexo IN.
Thousands of His people had gathered enough experience, their collective wisdom can be used to plug the holes..
But it won´t happen.. Arche type western mind at the root level is hell bent to use their brainy sand…rather than cement created out of crushed stones.
And now for something completely dufferent.
Someone has discovered footage of a weird-looking person talking on a mobile phone on the film set of a Charlie Chaplin movie in 1928. I’d be interested to hear your comments on this.
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lokesh…its an actress practising her lines on an imaginary or held object…….even in later silent movies actors said sentences 2 camera so as not to llook as idiotic as the victorian ‘mummers ‘…of earlier movies…
next ….
the imaginary object being a telephone, she would use in a scene…
“go inside, all the tearures are inside.. you are wasting your life outside.
Onece you have this inner tatse, all duality disapper, This is ADVAITA in the real sense.”–
Something siimilar is being repeated for thousands of years,,,one speaks..hundred listens, here and there every where..
This business is much easier than to learn how to cook, clean, manage, heal..
When it is so… one wonders.. where is the self esteem of people, who listen similar sentences from dozens of sources..Buying underwear from each shop and still naked…
Spirituality in its best.
er…imaginary objects…
mime…..
that`s a difficult one…..
also,the presenter repeating “urea” was a vital clue as to the nature of the video……
talking about news items.
have you seen that one-way tickets to mars will come available in 2030?
one-way `cos its such a long journey….
i think we should organize a raffle and get brian rajneesh or arun or someone a ticket…..
oshoism could become the religion of mars….
wahay…
take me to your leader…..
i bet silly walks would go down a storm on mars,with the low gravity and all…….
Martyn, that makes sense.
As for Shantam, not at all. It might appear that he is talking the talk but without a doubt he is not walking the walk or dancing the dance. How could he be when he wastes so much time writing all that rot on here that only pea-brained fools could be interested in. If he thinks that people waste their time ‘outside’, how come he is hanging out there so much?
and shantam .. lets just be clear on one point.. if by any stretch of the imagination, your writings express anything that i understand brought me to osho…then you and me do well to only meet virtually as i would be of no use or recognition to you in the real life …and thats so liberating a thought… and also counts for millions of people who luckily are separated by all sorts of things in this life..and who luckily dont have to engage at all….
Oshoists everywhere, have in truth, less in common than they like to presume…..
just think,you might come to in your next life to find you`ve just been born on a starship with a bald guy at the helm boldly blasting thru space at warp factor 9,next stop,mars central,fasten your seat belts…
man,i reckon you`d have a few past life flashes…..
prem martyn // Oct 29, 2010 at 11:33 am : comment
Totally agree wid Marty . .
careful,kavita,he might just whip out his british passport,then you might have to prove your own theory….
jus shut up frank !i
Kavita and Frank.i was looking at a brainwave synthesizer sound pattern on you tube last night..u know the ones that put the brain into alpha theta states…
and in the centre of the pattern there emerged a distinct image of a babe doing lotus posture whilst the man..it could ‘ a been frank was gyrating in space to a speeded version of pre’miten top rock n roll hits….is it me or is my inner world focusing on the important things in life at last…?
ps thats the best i can manage in reply as i gotta take the dog out… and she wont wait….
Marty boy 4 u
http://soundcloud.com/martypartymusic/martyparty-purple-sexpistol?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=facebook&utm_content=http%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Fmartypartymusic%2Fmartyparty-purple-sexpistol
ref to : prem bubbie // Oct 29, 2010 at 3:13 am
bubbie . . well . . l . . sleep on a nice cushy pillow . . made of dog fleece / hair . . and the house walls r specially made shock proof . . for my electrodes
. . & ur UGliness is speading . . woof woof . . rememeber . . u exist only bcos . . Beauty . . exists . . and . . Truth . . IS beyond . . both . .
mmm . . Marty boy . . l perform . . only for my self . .
Iam a 1 wo – man show . . where lam the Director & All
& show this 2 ur doggy too . . when u back
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show this 2 ur doggy too . . when u back
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Yo kavita…
well my musical pedigree does include some hippie punk stuff..from 1977
the here and now band …with daevid allen
Planetgong… and
their
classic Opium for the People
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and Zounds whom i lived with in Oxford
who recorded with arch anarchist bands
Crass
we like to think of ourselves then i suppose as continuers of the Chicago 1968 Yippies with whom Satya Deva protested…
and of the grand and slightly inaccessible Situationist international of whom Paritosh was a formative figure in UK…see previous acid post…
I dont think Arun looking at bicycles really cuts the mustard as a rebellious statement….
What do I think of the music that hit the festivals in mid late 70′s, now ??…
Er historically interesting …..but i dont like it one bit.. didnt much then.. but we did great street theatre……still thats another life….
are you leaving now , again?
not forgetting ozric tentacles
who r a bit more party frendly
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acid space casers ….
bubbie,man,
you`re quodrophrenic,at least
first you`re channelling ma blagatski and gottfried von and now
a boy named sue…..
martyn, you hippy dippy commie pinko leftie fag punk,you been listening to that anti-american drug music, boy?
i shot a man in reno just to watch him die…
that`s what i call music…..punk…
life sucks,the universe is a crock of shit..
and freedom`s just another word for nothin left to lose……
c`mon dollie,gimme that blowjob,
i`m clean outa jack an`
i gotta catch me a freight train
and let that lonesome whistle blow my blues away……..
kavita,
fantastic,
that dog is so zen
he makes the power of now
look like the power of then…..
to tell u . . Marty . . l like any soothing . . instrumental music . . in . . which no . . words r used . . but l guess . . all music . . is . . for listening . . with / without . . words
. . so jus listen . . whenever . . its possible . .
do u need . . me to leave ?
lam here . . to stay other wise . . lam 43 years . . & love being alive . . all the . . while . .
frank . . lam glad u found . . it fantastic etc . .
Frank… when uv finished googling with yourself….u’ll see that hippies and punks had a crossover in the above mentioned music scene…and punks were not prone to acid but speed…. as far as the fag bit goes they were an american import.. we used herbal cigarettes….
you sayin` a dont know all o` the man in black`s songs off by heart,you yellow bellied limey punk hippy fag..?
step ouside in the mud the blood and the beer
a`m gonna cut off a piece o your ear…
urea…
its around…
if u keep googling with kavita, ur heart will definitely find some new tunes….
in the meantime i think u’ll find that your inner self is actually from kentucky
kavita…. u love being alive….
please state the manufacturer of chemicals…
its really great to tell everyone how much u love life…makes it even greater…
and lovelier…
ps
could you make our lives great here at snews
by typing in ur ten favourite great moments…
frank cant wait…
Marty . . l like to take my time . . to tell my story . . & isnt it better to speak for 1self dear . . bye for now . .
It is not first time, i have noticed. Lokesh jump on the conclusion before he has finshed reading the contents.
For example, my comment about “going inside and etc”. was a satire to those people who are brain damaged, to go and listen other people speaking like this, not one time but whole of their life.
And when nothing happens..they take the revenge by degrading their master of that time. A smost of the Brits are doing at this site..
Those who get their true calling by listening Lady Gaga and her tribe, may get constipation till their neck while listening Osho…
No fault on the sellers side…
Every product is not suitable for everyone.
First of all when the conquer´s race´s offsprings go to India and sit at the feet of some Mr. Brown, it already shows, how dysfunctional they are….
There collective mind and heritage must be feeling pity.
How one can make one´s parents proud by such a low act, a borrwed drama from a superstitious and irrational race.
In the end..when the eyes get open, only way is to spit back, all that foreign element or tell to people back home, i am a CEO of ” I&I Pvt. Ltd”
this can become the game changer.
Lady Gaga is kid’s music. I very much doubt anyone writing on here is a fan. Well…..maybe Kavita.
Anyway, I’d no idea that you, Shantam, were actually coming from such a lofty intellectual peak when you delivered your tid-bits to us mere mortals. Please forgive me, all-seeing being.
Lokesh . . l . . have not yet . . seen . . Lady gaga ‘s face .. leave . . alone her . . music . .
Onlee yoking, dahling. Here is a link to Lady Gag’s groundbreaking ‘Telephone’ vid…90 million people have watched this so she must be doing something right even if it is only making truckloads of money. Ring Ring a ding goes the cash registar. Beats the hell out of Lucky for sure.
lady gaga telephone official music video
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she`s a post-modern genius….
the kinky violent sex and the killing is so ironic…..
it really holds up a mirror and has something to say….
she`s a feminist icon,too.
murdering losers in a diner is incredibly empowering for women….
ask sheela,
she was gaga too….
Well maybe, but she’s definitely butt ugly… No amount of make-up or Halloween costumes can hide that…. butt up, bro.
Isn’t that Lady Gargoyle on that skate board–”Hey Bulldog!!! BTW we here in the states consider that old news…. do they still ship vids via banana boat?
And frank- since everyone on here is a bullshitter…. my play has already been written for you guys to read…. like Kokonut Kavita says…”I like to take my time… to tell my story…”
Kavita says, “Iam 43 years…& love being alive…” well wait ’till you hit 50 and menopause, keep your cyanide warm just in case. You….. Vixen
hey bubbs,
you are soundin a lot like the man in black himself these days…
“tell the long tongue liar,tell the midnight rider
tell the rambler,the gambler,the backbiter
gods gonna cut you down
gods gonna cut you down”
whassup…
run out of jack?
dolly put her teeth back in?
miten and premal recorded a version of fulsom prison blues..?
Lady Gaga is not British but very much a news in British taboloids.
Sorry for the queen as she can ordained her with the title of Sir Lady Gaga.
Everything is in the relative terms, everytime i see her face, i appreciate Satya Deva´s choice to spend his time with Mo Meera.
If Martyn finds Deva Premal music as toliet music.. i wonder what he says about his plastic doll and her guttering noise.
During 80´s Osho was saying about the kind of noisy music west produces shows what kind of noisy people must be living there.
So the inspiration of His presence created, “Music from the world of Osho”.. silent..siren..peaceful trance..
And it seems this music has made people so silent, if murder happens in the next door. listener will pretend,” He has heard nothing. He has seen nothing as he was “inside”. Any way, why i get unneccsary involve myself and to create another round of Karma.
I hope, beloevd God will not renew their ATM life card.
Freedom…..
But
for what?
Shantam, as I wrote earlier (yesterday?):
“Ever looked into who exactly is constantly re-creating and feeding this “anguish” you like to write about?
Ever wondered who or what – in the final reckoning – is making you – apparently – unhappy?”
But why drone on and on and on here?!
Are you merely practising before you unleash the full might of a carefully-prepared multi-media propaganda campaign aimed to shake the sannyas community to its very foundations?
Because otherwise, I suggest you’re wasting your time in what amounts to mere mental masturbation…
I wonder at what point you are likely to stop this self-hypnotic bullshine – weeks…months…years…decades?!
How long before you realise what you’re doing?
“Ugliness” is subjective; i for one consider an “ugly” person, a person who can’t take a joke…even sometimes; someone who can’t take themselves lightly. Kavita, or whoever you maybe, it’s obvious you can’t take a joke, an insult- too bad… Why bother meditating, when all you can do is to take yourself seriously. Love- that’s a laugh!! A phony love, that it maybe. Hence, you have all of the posters/posers raving about osho, blah, blah… how nauseous… all the while uptight and outta sight!! Good grief Swamiji Charlie Brown
Are you merely practising before you unleash the full might of a carefully-prepared multi-media propaganda campaign aimed to shake the sannyas community to its very foundations?
SD, if it is in my hands to shake the sannyas community, i will be glad to offer all my finegrs of the hands.
SO may be a divine prudence is reuired, the hands from the above, may be the call of the sannyasins heart may create a turning point but as far as human efforts are concerned, collectively sannyas community has disintegrated, as it was left after Osho´s life, because as i see the reason, most of the western sannyasins from the early times, have not poured their total heart out, there was always a door left to run away to some where else, As if wheel of life and deth needs to be broken in this very life, so why not enage more than one master, Day and night work…
I think, this approach has not worked.
Atleast, i am not impressed, If this is the de-costruction work of EGO..
From the time, i have seen the gatherings of western seekers as Osho´s sannyasins, truthfully speaking i was more happy to work with the daily wage workers, who were cleaning the pots in the kitchen.
And also i was impressed by the western Ma´s. Their body language, their confidence in their own destiny..
May be i am derived by the hormonal attraction,, but in my eyes …western sannyas women have left their counterparts far behind, not just in high school education but in the inner world too.
It is a pity.. that Osho movement at the top level is ruled by the White Ayathullas…Again so much anti climax..keeping in mind life long approach of Osho
SD, i am contented with my anguish, my frustraions. They are the powerful energy derivatives, and hide behind them multitude of emotions.
As i have writen before, Prozac is much healthy alternative for the soul than the peace received in the begging bowl of head.
Impotant silence, which descends on all of us any way with ageing process is still much more natural than the borrowed kick of silence, purchased at the rate of 15 Euors an hour.
Still.. we are so unique in our talents, choices and the tastes. Even two introverts are not the same what to say about extroverts.
While living in Switzerland and feeling bored, i thought to visit UG at St. Gallen. So to fix the appointment, i called at his residence, one of his competant Englishspeaking follwer gave the phone to Him, and in these few seconds of talk with him and few introductory sentences with UG, before the end of the phone it became clear in me, ” Better to die in this boredom kind of state than to get a kick from someone else.”
But it is my personality on the other hand, i will touch the feet of someone who teaches me the art of making money. I feel hopeless in this branch.
We are all week somewhere, but strong somewhere else.
shantam you obviously never did the look at osho photo and tell him what ever you want or scream it too….like we did in poona 1 therapy groups…
try it u might vomit some crap out of your system…
we didnt just hear osho.. we fucking lived it…between each other at super extra volume
But it is my personality..
Before some inteligent person notices the word personality and explains the same notes, most of us have read
let me remind myself.. the word personality is derived from the Latin word Persona, which means mask, Mask worn by the actors in the theater.
It is not our original face.
What is our original face?
So simple, just add the word, Prem or Deva or Dhyan or Anand or Antar or Yoga as a mask over the first mask…these yogic names will skratch away the first to reveal the original face.
If it is to tiresome and has no social acceptibilty anymore, simply give a Kiss to some enlighend satsang giver, its alchemical power will work as a catalytic agent for melting away the persona.
This is called “Volcanic Energy of Inner Dimensions”.
(VEID)
Before i put the computer off, came across the comment of Martyn, the ex. sannyasin who was vomiting his crap out of the system.
Without doubt, British vomiting(pure British, like the 100% honey, without residule elements of sannyas within) is resaleable at Boots pharmacy stores.
As a person i am not racist, but when i think, who is the brain behind the decline of Osho movement, I feel to provoke Britishness in British sannyasins.
The country which has uncomparable contribution in the world civilisation and democratic institutions.
bubbie .. this probably . my longest post . . but jus to clear few of ur . . fundas . .
ref to – prem martyn // Oct 29, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Yo kavita …
are you leaving now , again?
Kavita : do u need . . me to leave ?
lam here . . to stay other wise . . lam 43 years . . & love being alive . . all the . . while . .
ref to – prem bubbie // Oct 29, 2010 at 3:13 am
… Yes, Kavita, you go rest now…. please remember to unplug the electrodes before your head hits the pillow–excuse me, er- wall.
Kavita bubbie . . well . . l . . sleep on a nice cushy pillow . . made of dog fleece / hair . . and the house walls r specially made shock proof . . for my electrodes
. . & ur UGliness is speading . . woof woof . . rememeber . . u exist only bcos . . Beauty . . exists . . and . . Truth . . IS beyond . . both . .
bubbie . . if your comment below . . is for the above . .
then baby . . read again . .
prem bubbie // Oct 29, 2010 at 11:25 pm
“Ugliness” is subjective; i for one consider an “ugly” person, a person who can’t take a joke…even sometimes; someone who can’t take themselves lightly. Kavita, or whoever you maybe, it’s obvious you can’t take a joke, an insult- too bad… Why bother meditating, when all you can do is to take yourself seriously. Love- that’s a laugh!! A phony love, that it maybe. Hence, you have all of the posters/posers raving about osho, blah, blah… how nauseous… all the while uptight and outta sight!! Good grief Swamiji Charlie Brown
bubbie . . dear l dont meditate anymore . . probably never did . . as lam always in it . . so cut all the crap . . you are the one who is nauseuos . . look in the mirror . . and another thing . . lam . . on the heavier side . . so how can take myself . . lightly . . hahaha . . so chill man . .
Shantam, you are a misguided fool. Most of your opinions are so off track they are not worth reading. Man, they are not even funny. You fill your writings with what you obviously think are witty metaphors but they are only an extra coat of shite on the absolute nonsense you write. Perhaps it is time to seek out professional help.
its great to know you can do shit loads of Osho centre/commune/ house sannyas living and still come out like me,,,and do fuck all and come out like shantam……
Long live Shantam! What would SN be without him? Our very own communal shit pot. Plop!
every commune needs one…gets rid of those awful amoebitious dysentery attacks
I knew Lokesh, your well built ego of a Scotish Seeker /conquerer gets shaken.
DO Papaji has not given some band aid for fragile Advaita?
We are all one.. Different expressions of a same energy.
Yet, If i have to be you, i will prefer to be me.
True for me, true for all other creatures in the cosmos.
lay ur arse on the line shantam…
and others like u … u dont have any rights over fuck all… cos u paid for nothing….did nothing …and gained nothing….and now tell others how to live…….u couldnt live it urself cos u were too busy getting ur bourgeois credentials together, and never told ur parents to fuck off..like millions of other respectful indians who came after the osho explosion.. cos u r cowards…
hello mr shantam khan community leader
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its that live video of you shantam… u get around mr iqbal !
Paul Lowe AKA teertha as seen via Bellamy’s people comedy programme on bbc
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Somebody pull the plug, Shantam is full of intestinal waste.
What is Paul Lowe up to? Click!
Oh, I see. A three week long orgasm. What are things coming to?
martyn, You seems to me very noisy guy inside and outside that is why you condemed miten and premal music .
have you ever listen their album called In wonder. it is one of the best ………
you seems to be very loveless and heartless fellow
martyn. wake up budyy . sooner you wake up , it is better for you
please come out of toilet you have created in your mind about miten and premal music. you are simply jealous because they got rich and famous and you still the same …………
you are right… now go away….and be happy…
i saw what happened to miten and why….and others like him…..shame..
what i dont like anugrah is the hijacking of anyones elses conscience and credo….if i have to inanely smile at people who say this IS butiful OSHO music or risk ‘spitual’ condemnation for not being aware or ..worse …not having done enough meditations… then please condemn away….
if the bandwagon wasnt so large and so gooey.. i might shut up… but having seen the success of my conscience over the years just a few might find it in themselves now online to agree.. and say .. yes its idiotic , i just was to scared to speak up and face rejection…. along with all the other formulas
I personally dont care if anyone reads my crap… but im enjoying posting it, for now… but one day soon i’ll have said enough and will go away ….i just thank Parmartha for having the idea to let us do this.. i know what happened years ago when we lived in the ‘work as meditation shut up or get ot laager communes-’
when necessary, u must have the courage to say…my sannyas is my affair…in any way i choose…. with or without going in , up sideways, or arse wise—
when u involve others in living together etc etc it becomes everyone elses business too…
i post cos i can….
now go spin on a crystal
and by the way miten is talented… premal isnt…
Kavita: “Ain’t gonna bump no more, no big fat woman”!!
Premal & Miten, gimme a brek, Jimmy. Their music is absolute shite. If I were condemned to live in some hell world those guys would be supplying the music.
I like the soundtrack for this vid and really dig what this guy is doing. This is real hi-power stuff and it has nothing to do with Miten and Premal, whom I have asolutely nothing against personally. I just can’t stand sugar sweet tripe like they produce. Differant strokes etc.
Check this.
http://vimeo.com/15479617
“…Dear I don’t meditate anymore… probably never did… as I am always in it…” The REAL Kavita has emerged–FINALLY….. what an arrogant CUNT!! Bow down to her holiness, Ma Cunt Kavita!!!
“…PROBABLY never did>>>” either you did or you didn’t, what’s this bullshit “Probably”…. “O, chubbzee ubbzee, You make me sick”.(“Our Gang”- 1932)
Anugrah= a sucker is born every minute.
Ah, Bubbie, Saturday night just ain’t that special, but when I read your latest comments I let out a spluttering laugh.
I was bored, and it’s not even Sat. night I was wondering can you, I, and Kavita go trick or treating tomorrow night? Shantam can chaperon us…. It’ll be a hellava time…. I’ll be fattered, er hem, flattered if you’d join us Kavita.
Fuck Off . . bubbie . . with / without . . a chaperon . . lam not here to flatter anyone . . u dont even have the guts . . to use your real name . . so forget it . . Dear . . & yes lam an arrogant Cunt . . at times . . & you are always . . an arrogant Cock . . sleep well Always . . whenever . . you do . .
She is one wacked out chick…like i mean, she’s one crazy babe, sock it to me, sweetheart.
I wonder why you’re on the heavier side…. maybe all of that residual NO2 has built up to toxic levels…hazardous waste indeed….. you even put a “smiley” at the end of your last post- how bizarre. Ma Prem Jiggles is your new sannyas name—
bubbie . . no more names . . for me dear . . had enough . . of them already . .
lam wondering how come . . you come up wid . . this bizarre -ness . . sweetheart . .
does anyone on this site where is swami vimal these days. i am looking for vimal who used to ask questions during discourses in absence of maneesha.
he was the one who selected jokes for osho which we heard during discourses. any one have info about him please post it here
thanks
I know a Vimal. He works as a male prostitute in Amsterdam, although I don’t know if it is the same one. The Vimal I am describing wears a flowing orange robe, an old.style oval locket on his mala, and has waist.length hair. His number is 0031 20 89756453. Good luck.
Bubbie & Kavita, it is obvious that you two are very fond of each other, but it is questionable that you should use this site to talk dirty with one another. Is that appropriate? After all this is a spiritual website. Can’t you feel the vibes go up whenever you login?
Lokesh . . I c . . green vibes . . rite . . now . . dont u worry Dahlin . . u will always be . . my Locky boy . .
Ooooooooohhhhhh!
look!
without commuty leader shantam khan,very important person in this commuty,no one has anything important to say..
see?
commuty leader…
leading commuty…
mr shantam…
everybody knows him….
british resort managers and advaita gobis not listening but 24 carrot truth he is telling,only…….
anugrah and lokesh,
yeah,i remember that guy too.he was the one who was found walking around dam square,jerking off with a banana stuck up his ass…..
on arrest,he claimed to the police that he had been a victim of a hypnotherapists` prank…
Yes, that is the guy.
I hope we haven’t hurt Shantam’s feelings. He is a very sensitive type. Deep, if you know what I mean.
look i was too busy with spiritual research all fucking day if u know what i mean….
we gotta get it while we can…..
and my neurons are still er spinning .. so i really find focussing on the key board a wee bit tricky….
currently my meditation involves smoking a cigarette and smiling deeply..
now what osho book was that in….
…ok babe yes im just typing some important email.. sure , yeh love u …
( see guys…
reality awaits )
xisses
and dont tempt the gods..looking for commuty leaders. its nice right now… real nice…
Yeah, yeah, I can dig it. And remember if you don’t dig you won’t find any gold.
Now where did I store my Donovan’s greatest hits album?
Still waiting a full response from Neerav re the Nepal initiatives…
Swami Aatmo Neerav (Thursday, October 28, 2.18pm):
Satya Deva,
Im sorry with so many comments coming through I missed your query.
Pure Osho Techniques- Meditation techniques that were designed by the master himself… i think you are not aware of the new cults in Nepal, India and West that think of themselves as enlightened and have tampered with many of his techniques since its not “good enough”
SD:
No, I can’t say I do know about such “cults”, Neerav.
And you haven’t really been that specific in your answer (from your response to Prem Martyn, too busy, perhaps, impressing the ladies with your youthful virility?!).
So would you say, then, that various therapy endeavours – Veeresh’s work (’Humaniversity’ therapy), for example – fall into that category?
And specifically, what is on offer now at the new place(s) in Nepal – daily public meditation sessions (ie as per Poonas 1 & 2)?
Is that it, or is there more, please?
satyadeva,
your restless western mind ….
always asking questions….
trust,relax.
go beyond your mind and its petty concerns…..
listen to mital and premen
la..la..la….
feel the energy….
breathe…
that`s right….
going deeper…
surrender…
ego is gone…..
now….
reach for the banana…….
you do your 24 carrot,totally pure osho meditations and techniques.
ok.
you move from everyday consciousness into the consciousness induced by the technique.
the aim is “enlightenment.”
but you dont get to “enlightenment.”
so where are you…?
a kind of hypnagogic inbetween consciousness smorgasborg
you label that “spiritual”
you hang with others who are wading around in the same psychic custard.
convince yourself its a “growth” of consciousness.
and bang.
you are enjoying that singular pleasure known as
being in a cult,mystery school,
its fun.
but is it any better than listening to johnny cash,getting a blow job and drinking jack daniels….?
that`s the question real seekers are asking…..
sweet dreams tout le monde
la la music that seems to keep on rocking …everytime its played
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the wonderful bonzo dog doo dah band…
jollity to all of you
I once saw bonzo dog doo dah band in the Roundhouse at Camden Town, I think it was, I was tripping at the time. They were great back then, but it all looks very dated now. But I do get your point, Martyn.
Kavita- You invite name calling for that pompous ass shit you posted, so it would have been impolite for me not to call you names…BTW, how is jiggling lard nowadays -Ma Prem Jiggles
S.D I think those Nepal centers that are adding hindu rituals to the daily collage of “meditations” are doing so to “reclaim” osho.. It’s as they’re saying this guy was and is ours and fuck the west, we’ll make this guy a hindu god. Maybe jealously, since Osho defected in the early ’70′s and embraced the Euros and Americans. Nationalism at its best… they just don’t get it at all.
bubbs dear . . l jus love it when u . . feel threatened by . . me . . but thats not my . . intention . . darrlin . . jus cool it bubby . .
in fact . . theres . . no intention . . at All . . Dear . .
Is there a single sentence worth reading being written during last 36 hours, sentence which can inspire, which can motivate, which can put some new questions about ourself, sentences which can provoke a wider discussion.
The thing which i cannot use as butt plug( like Miten-premal music for my esteemed friend Lokesh), must be a helly, smelly shit pot!
somehwere i can understand, a man like me with a cronic foot pain inspite of surgery will be happy to walk normally, to think i can be in a Marathon, is too far fetched a reality.
Problem will be for others, when i start propagting that Racing tracks are wastage of money and so on.
A crack pot as a policy maker or a public opinion maker is a virus worth to tackle with anti biolitcs.
Rock-a-bye Baby . . on the tree top . .
. .
Shantam, you’ve surpassed yourself, your latest post is absolutely priceless – I’m printing it out and having it framed for a place of (dis)honour on my wall (the toilet wall, that is, of course)!
Btw, Shantam – what’s your take on the Nepal ashram situation?
I’d have thought it sort of solves your particular ‘issue’, doesn’t it? You can just go up there, pretend it’s Poona 2, ‘let go’ and enjoy yourself…surely?
In which case – what’s your problem, man?!!!
Post of the decade, Frank!
PS: Any comments, please, Shantam Prem?
Frank:
you do your 24 carrot,totally pure osho meditations and techniques.
ok.
you move from everyday consciousness into the consciousness induced by the technique.
the aim is “enlightenment.”
but you dont get to “enlightenment.”
so where are you…?
a kind of hypnagogic inbetween consciousness smorgasborg
you label that “spiritual”
you hang with others who are wading around in the same psychic custard.
convince yourself its a “growth” of consciousness.
and bang.
you are enjoying that singular pleasure known as
being in a cult,mystery school,
its fun.
but is it any better than listening to johnny cash,getting a blow job and drinking jack daniels….?
that`s the question real seekers are asking…..
frank you have fans….. any chance of a compilation of quotes .. like ‘the Best of sannyas news’ album for Xmas…
we could even have a gift catalogue
A set of Franks biofeedback x ray specs and a compilation box of Priten and Mimals organic relaxing jam.
A Scalextrics formula 1 Osho self assembly seekers kit…where you get to go round and round in 1:190 scale ratio of a real ashram.. doing the same things until you fall off( Nobody wins** but its hilarious fun for all the family )**competive labels available.
A starters science potion kit where you get to experiment with undetectable fizzing potions and administer them to members of your family in salads…plus a free weekend for two in a luxury location with real actors playing ‘ Who dunnit?’
A self hypnosis ‘Trust in Me’ training CD ,in cooperation with Kaa and Arun cartoon productions..
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whaddya think frank.. ?
Whoaaaah – another contender!
SD . . for u & all u . . X ‘ massers . . have a nice bon fire . . this winter . . to keep urselves Warm . .
since Ice Age is coming back . . !i . .
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martyn,
bang on!
all we need is an old guy with a white beard and a daft hat…
i will personally see to it that he is perfectly balanced on the top of the xmas tree,with it firmly lodged up the appropriate place…..
Frank . . whats that a suppository . . then it should be placed down . . dear . . thats the only . . appropriate place
. . dear . .
bye dearies . . enjoy all your festivities . . so will I . .
A suppository! Isn’t that Shantam’s department.
Where is he? Don’t tell me his U-bend is blocked again and he’s nipped out to buy some Draino. We need him to provide us with, and I quoteth Him: sentence which can inspire, which can motivate, which can put some new questions about ourself, sentences which can provoke a wider discussion.
Just his living presence is an inspiration. When he is among us life seems to be worth living instead of a dull routine.
Hail, Shantam………….our leader! Initiate us into Shantass.
can anybody help me please…
im breathing in regularly but im still not full of love
is there a problem with the technique?
or am i unworthy?
yours
a seeker…
sorry but this is urgent…
i need to find love…
please i need some sensible advice and not the claptrap you guys are fond of…
im a real seeker and hope to find useful advice
immediately…
cash paid no questions…
‘ Shortly before his death, Osho believed that one or more audience members who attended evening meetings at the Pune ashram (now referred to as the White Robe Brotherhood) were subjecting him to some form of evil magic.’
ok guys i have my answer i am possessed by demons…..
tricky but i think i can fight them off with phasers set to stun…..
http://meditation-handbook.50webs.com/osho2.html
i cant believe there is a another form of sannyas news out there offering a no holds barred account of the man…known as Osho….
what is there left to malign or write about….
bang goes my blogging career
..
P.M. read the calder piece… still pissed off after all of these years… he tends to be repetitious… Personally, i believe most of what he says… though he doesn’t even consider the notion Osho did all those things on purpose… now, considering the shit that went on at the ranch, most of the back stabbing, snitching, and thuggery was mainly amongst the higher ups… I had a blast, plain and simple, hard work – I used it as catharsis and lots of play, .. A person was able, for the most part live out their head/heart trip.. A power trip, sex trip, mediation, catharsis, play etc… That’s why it didn’t work in the end; everyone did their own thing- a “Commune” it wasn’t, What name to give it- i have no fucking idea. Now, fast forward to the present– all of these Bozos mostly in India and Nepal–What the fuck are they doing– morons!!!
Calder’s Web site has the intro- “no spirits, souls, ghosts, gods”… Sorry Calder dude, you’ve got your head up your ass on this one….
Managing Director Shantam Prem of this blog is absent ???
The Calder piece is old hat, but it is still quite interesting. I think the chap’s bitterness has perhaps tipped the scales on his objective judgement, yet I also believe much of what he says could be based in truth, So what?
Osho was responsible for putting a lot of things in motion. Most of them were very positive. It is inevitable that there were a few skeletons in the cupboard…there always are……in Osho’s case some of them were dinosaurian in proportion. I prefer to acknowledge the old boys great accomplishments in life than focus on mistakes that were made.
I’ve always maintained a warts and all vision of Osho and his work. If there is one thing that I find difficulty with it is those Catholic sannyasins who believe that Osho could do no wrong, that everything he did was some sort of device created by him for their awakening. This is stupidity in one of its purest forms.
Osho was in some ways a brilliant but mad scientist and some of his experiments went pear-shaped. He also proclaimed that he was going to blow everyone’s ideas about how an enlightened man should behave clean out of the water. At this he was tremendously successful. Twenty years down the line since his death and we are still discussing him. Nobody will be doing that twenty years after you are gone.
You do not exist. That is the truth. That sense of I and YOU, the sense of separateness, is an illusion. It does not really exist. For example, as you are listening to me, you are seeing me but you are not hearing me, and when you hear me, you are not seeing me. But that is happening so fast, that you have this illusion that you are seeing and hearing. The two senses have got coordinated, like in a movie, unless you have those 16 shots moving per second you will not see the hand movement, in the movie theatre. If the projector is slowed down it becomes only like a slide. Similarly, here the senses are coordinating at a particular speed whereby you are feeling that you are seeing, touching as though all these things are going on at the same time. It is this illusion that creates the sense of Me and I. If this is slowed down, you all just vanish! So, now you are there. If I were to slow down your senses, if you would give me permission, you would just disappear. You will go back home minus yourself! But you will still be very functional, you will in fact be very efficient. The sense of separateness would completely be gone. What remains there is life or you may call it pure consciousness; the stuff from which this whole universe is made. What is there ultimately is consciousness and that has to only to be experienced. How can you see yourself? There is no way to see consciousness, because you are that. Its true nature is Ananda and Love. It is a causeless Love.
What you call love is not truly love. You either beg for love, asking somebody to give you love, or if you give love it is because somebody is big or famous or great or wealthy or you have something to gain from that. You love your wife or husband because he or she means something to you. You possess somebody, you are attached to somebody. That is not the love we are talking about. This love is a causeless love. It is just there. This can happen only if the I the self disappears. Its a very simple thing – the senses have to be slowed down a little bit and behold; You are not there! What is there is only life. You will feel you are one with the universe, completely one. It is not a mystical experience. A mystical experience comes when the kundalini rises to the chakras, but when it comes down the experience is lost.
I posted the above just for fun. It is not a personal statement, but something I came across and authored by someone else.
Being in the masters presence whilst listening for black magic chants was an uhm unusual way of behaving even for more seasoned souls…
what a psycho guru must do in the name of nitrous oxide degeneration of the brain cells a guru must do…..it would have been nice to know at the time though.. we could all have laughed instead of cringing into our ever so closed eyes…
Yes of course we all know the various websites of pro, anti and unbelievable… just thought i’d give it a rehash…. instead of my usual creative output….might have more populist appeal…
do any of us care about what went down in the name of our growing up….
well actually the way it informed our thought processes, structures relationships etc etc uhmmm
yes i suppose i do .. care in the way i wish us people around osho had been more gracious to each other….instead of to an inanimate object such as meditation or aloneness or the interiority of er uhm er love
was there anything better on offer…
sorry i had only one pair of eyes and my own naivety
still do
love is
a warm pretty girl…
and thats the bottom line
even for those of us who experienced shaktipat or satoris…
i can unflinchingly declare the first to be true over and above all other definitions in what counts for me….and always has…
toot toot
lokesh .. must be the script from the new avatar movie…
but it needs 3d goggles and popcorn… otherwise u cant enjoy the science fiction….
That is why we are here…to watch the show. Pass the popcorn.
that`s spi-fi….
forget the the popcorn,you need crunchy shrooms for that..
acid casualties love it…
bones: captain,i`ve lowered the vibrational rate to zero,you are now merging with the cosmos….
kirk : spock,i am he as you are he and you are me and we are all together…
spock : fascinating,captain,but most illogical……
This month, Osho world´s E-magazine is about Prayer.
As there is much smoke screen is created by the root management comprising of best sannyas brains and hearts of the western sannyasins, it is interesting to read, What Osho has opinioned about prayer and devotion..
If i am in India, i will prefer the bottled water of MNC´s who are head quatred in western cities.
But as far as Osho and allied issues are concerned,,,,if it comes from Western sources, sense of pollution, adultration and Purification is much more than permissible limits…
Who says, everything can be mastered by everybody, individually and collectively.
sorry i had only one pair of eyes and my own naivety…
And than one day with life, naivety disapaers.
and one pair of eyes…they get weeker and weeker….
Is there some capable optician who sells real glasses for imaginary issues?
People may come, people may not come, New entry prices for high season are in force at one and the ONLY- Osho Jayesh International Medittaion Resorts,
(pvt. Litd), Pune, India
Indians 400 Rupees, White-850 Rupees….
I wonder who decides about such worldly and non worldly issues. is this the outcome with direct hotline with Existance´s prodigy, the gentleman addressed as OSHO.
Shantam, we missed you terribly. You are back to lead us into the light with your insipid prose and undecipherable metaphors (what the fook is he talking about?) ehm…oops….I mean hallelu….jah…rastafari!
Your latest post is brilliant and any fool can work out that it is an oblique reference to the truck driver in England who dropped twenty tons of aluminium sulphate into a town’s water supply. Shantam, add genius to your list of accolades.
Yes Shantam, I know that you know that we know that you know that we all know. Heil Shantam!
Dear Anugrah,
You asked about Question Vimal. He is living in Japan. We distribute his Osho Joke Book, which is titled Take It Really Seriously, if you are interested.
http://www.oshoviha.org/oshohereandnow/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=take+it+really+seriously&osCsid=40852985bc835229152b41496771082b&x=7&y=4
You can email me at oshoviha@oshoviha.org if you want to contact him.
Regards, Dhanyam
I’m telling you, that is the wromg Vimal. The real one works in Amsterdam’s red light district in The Pet Shop Boys Club.
Here Fido, down boy. Damned poodle!
i sent Vimal a book of jokes i picked up in the hotel Amir bookshop once…
and he had the audacity to include some of them and my name in the communist themed zen fire zen wind series….
what a nice man that vimal…
nice to have osh tell ‘em and giggle
Which discourse is that one Martyn, with your jokes and your name?
now thats a good question…
i dont have that info to hand…not impossible to locate as there were only a few jokes at end of each discourse…look for one on an italian named martino sitting in a cinema.. and getting mistakenly slapped on his bald head…
theres one video at homeoflife.com but it may or may not be the actual one
Facebook generation loneliest among all age groups-
http://www.ndtv.com/article/technology/facebook-generation-loneliest-among-all-age-groups-64086
Osho´s idea about communes could have been a good solution, but when His own people have stopped experimenting with the teachings, why others should bother to swallow the bitter pill.
So..simple thing is too keep oneself busy with facebook…
it is so much better and calmer to slowly become a sedimentary rock inside your own self but before that the chaos of a whirlpool is also needed. peace to all of you.
im crazily madly in love with Osho and thats why its special for me, this is special for me.
i m sure all of us here, new ones, old ones, ex ones still love him madly beyond the point our mind ceases to understand. i would like to know about that special individual relation each of us share with our master. Tell me about it? much love-N
Dear Neerav, it sounds to me like you are entertaining hallucinations, exciting ones, spiritual ones, but hallucinations just the same. What I mean by that is that you are attaching values to people and events that they might not necessarily have. You project your version onto what is there. In this case Osho. And so it happens that you become immersed in a reality that is of your own creation.
You say that you are madly in love with Osho and it is ever so special. The ego loves to think that whatever it happens to be identified with is special. Special is a key word in ego land. Go to a nightclub and watch the people in the VIP lounge….they think what they are doing is special. The only difference is that you think that your special is spiritual. It is an illusion. Osho was a finger pointing at the moon..now you are madly in love with the fimger. Wake up! The real master is who you are, you cannot love that because you are it and therefore simply are love.
We sannyasins are in catch 22 situation.
If we say, we love Osho, the man(master) who died 20 years ago, than what is the problem if majority of the population says, ” We love Jesus”, even after 2000 years.
If it is so, why Osho was speaking so much against the people who are die hard Christ fans.
Was he snatching some sheeps and cows for his own diary form?
If sannyasins avoid this emotionally charged words like, ” we love Osho”, than it gives a feeling of healthy self esteem but behaviour as good as a dry lemon!
Osho was a finger pointing towards the moon. Real Master is a finger pointing towards the moon…
This example is being used so much in the last 30,40 years that it has taken the shape of very mediocre example of our time, almost like a knife, which cannot cut but surely can make children and old people afraid in the dark night.
First of all, what is the bloody need for someone to satnd with his finger pointing towards the moon. Does the person wants to collect coins as a clown in the busy market place?
Does the person has the idea that others are blind enough not to see the moon. And why people should see the moon, they may be happy to have street lights.
This example can also means, Master is a father figure and he is showing moon to an infant.
In that case, it is very normal, the infant will feel love for the protection provided by the father figure.He may look at the moon for few seconds, but the man pointing the figure will be there with his towering personality for many many years to come.
The facebook generation is the loneliest amongst all ages groups because they are afraid to go out and meet others, face to face. Totally out of fear- fear of rejection, humiliation, violence. Says a lot about human beings… in the old days… as kids, one had to deal with bullies; adolescence, both bullies and peer rejection, as adults, , mostly rejection, unless you’re in a pub or soccer game, then fear of getting your ass whupped. Used to be only the geeks or mentally impaired stayed at home and watched T.V. , now, it’s honest human response to the cut-throat, back stabbing, two-faced, rich vs. poor- human nature that has(finally) surfaced…. Strong vs. the weak and timid… Wall Street has the strong, the rest, a bunch of pussies— You Euros and Indians fill in the details for your locations…. Where’s General Patton, when you need him– wasn’t sheela the reincarnation of Patton?
On the Calder issue: we have to take his word on things about osho… most of his shit that he talks about comes from others… Now, Calder why do we have to take your word about osho and mysticism? Never mind Shantam and Brown acid.. Calder’s acid has turned to tar heroin.
if calder was chaitanya christ of poona 1… well he was taken off the microphone , in the preambles to the meditations cos he was putting his own spin on the instructions, and getting up everyones nose…
i know chaitanya christ became a born again osho nay sayer somewhere on the http://www...
btw
next on sannyas news forum we bring you
number 43 in our series…..
Things I dont do…..
I dont spend time trying to get deliriously intoxicatedly phenomenally happy alone….or even wondering how to….
Next week we bring you no 44…
How to avoid working things out….
Shantam.. those facebook kids should get out more…
here’s the ashram stompers showing how to have a great time
erm i think they are the Ashram stompers but i might have misspelt it..
is it chaitanya christ on the mike?
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Still waiting for a response from Neerav…I see he dropped in earlier today…Obviously a very busy, important chap…madly in love as well, too….
Satya Deva: Oct 31, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Still waiting a full response from Neerav re the Nepal initiatives…
Swami Aatmo Neerav (Thursday, October 28, 2.18pm):
Satya Deva,
Im sorry with so many comments coming through I missed your query.
Pure Osho Techniques- Meditation techniques that were designed by the master himself… i think you are not aware of the new cults in Nepal, India and West that think of themselves as enlightened and have tampered with many of his techniques since its not “good enough”
SD:
No, I can’t say I do know about such “cults”, Neerav.
And you haven’t really been that specific in your answer (from your response to Prem Martyn, too busy, perhaps, impressing the ladies with your youthful virility?!).
So would you say, then, that various therapy endeavours – Veeresh’s work (’Humaniversity’ therapy), for example – fall into that category?
And specifically, what is on offer now at the new place(s) in Nepal – daily public meditation sessions (ie as per Poonas 1 & 2)?
Is that it, or is there more, please?
Shantam you ask: First of all, what is the bloody need for someone to satnd with his finger pointing towards the moon?
Well it could be that people like yourself need specs.
This hypothesis about the Facebook generation being the loneliest is based on what exactly? Some lonely persons ideas perhaps?
Wasn’t Sheela the reincarnation of Patton?
Even though ‘Patton’ was Osho’s favorite movie it requires great imagination to put Sheela in such a role. Pattton was in a fight to prevent the spread of fascism. Sheela was a bit of a fascist. Patton was an intelligent general and brilliant strategist. Sheela’s biggest crime was perhaps her short-sighted stupidity….that is, except for having the foresight to stash a lot of stolen money away….or is that hearsay? Like much of Calders stories….could be true, though.
Bubbie, are you for real. Are you some dyed in the wool, redneck, American patriot? Tell me it isn’t true.
@ Lokesh i like what you said… i took and learnt what i had to
thank you
@satya deva i haven’t been to any of veeresh’s sessions so i dont know… but im not a big fan of the Marathon, to me it looks more harmful than nourishing, and many people i have met who’ve done it have never told me good stories about it…but thats just my opinion and choice. I was talking about OSHO Dhara, its this place here in Nepal, India and all over the world run by two men and a woman, two of which are Osho’s brother Shailendra and his wife Priya…. there u do courses and when u complete the most expensive one you get a certificate that claims that u are enlightened. they have changed the name of dynamic and all other meditations and mixed the different stages of different Osho meditations and come out with their own for instance there is one technique where the first stage is of chaotic breathing of dynamic and second is of kundalini shaking and so on…. and funnily despite of all the clown business you will still see large followings at their centers. And a more funnier thing is I have met some of those who have finished all their courses and they so fully, truly whole heartedly believe that what’s written on their certificate is true and put all their efforts to prove it…Its strange you haven’t heard of them, an even Osho Times was promoting which is even more ridiculous…i still have some of those last editions of the magazine where Osho Dhara used to have quarter page ad on the last page or inside the back cover ….. It wont be hard to find an Osho Dhara Center anywhere, go take a session its quiet entertaining
( p.s. i was actually busy and was not avoiding your questions.)
Thankyou
N
@ Satya Deva and your LAST QUERY about the activities at these communes in Nepal. Every day is just like an intensive session day. I dont know what it is called but its something like Intensive Meditation Program, where six or Five Osho techniques are offered. The morning starts with Dynamic, then breakfast and samadhi darshan (samadhi darshan only in Tapoban) then the next session can be nataraj, chakra sound, chakra breathing, stop meditation, kirtan meditation, mandala, no-dimension etc. during meditation camps an extra session also follows of sharing…then lunch… and some relaxation time then nadabrahma, then tea, then kundalini…. The evening sessions can be either white robe brotherhood or the evening satsang..it only happens here in Nepal and i also saw some videos of OSHO Risk and some groups with Vasant Swaha where i saw them doing it… if u dont know what it is then its like what used to happen in pune 1 and rajneeshpuram, if u see the celbration videos of Guru purnima or Osho’s birthday celebration from those days you will see it. Music, celebration, gacchami. humming, Osho’s video then again celebration….This is a normal day at any of the commune of centers in nepal. Other activities include weekend meditation camp when many people from the city come to stay and participate in the session…these are usually new and young people along with other sannyasins. then every month there is one 3 day meditation camp when again people come to stay and meditate for 3 days. Then we have 7 days Intensive Silence Meditation Camp 5 times in a year. These camps are over crowded with participants from all over the world are great events so more 7 day programs are being added. from next year we will have six such programs in a year. in these camps for seven days participants are encouraged be with themselves as far as possible and remain in silence…all the participants participating in these camps have to actively participate in all the meditations that include different Osho techniques which sums upto about nine hours of meditation a day.. ofcourse its just techniques and the main purpose is the silence. And yeah other programs include seven day No-Mind group, Who am I group, i think its called enlightenment intensive, The 21 day mystic rose group which is actually happening now and started around the last of October…. And then there are sannyas celebrations that happen every week, on seven day and three day camp also, when new friends take intitiation into Osho Neo sannyas. Apart from this we frequently have Music, Art and other workshops and infact there is a beautiful school in tapoban called the School of Music, Laughter and Arts that take care of these programs and organizes live music celebrations on Celebration days like Master’s day, Osho’s Birthday and Osho Mahaparinirvana day. Then there is also one thing every week one Osho book is declared the book of the week, or some discourse package is declared the discourse series of the week or month…. a twenty percent discount is offered on the original prices of such weeks and yeah we also have these huge Osho book fare in the city which is also a great event…. SO basically these are the things happening here. I am really sorry if i am late in replying your queries, i have to juggle between my commune life, little ashram work, attending meditation camp, college, running a business in the city and running an Osho meditation center at Home… I can be late in replying but I wont avoid your questions.
much love
N
Neerav, you surprised me with your respense to my comments…………pleasantly.
I also enjoyed your report on people receiving enlightenment certificates. That sounds completely absurd and it serves to show how gullible people can be.
You are obviously sincere in what you are doing and I suppose in a way that accounts for the exhuberant manifestations in your, life like imagining yourself to be madly in love with Osho. Many seasoned sannyasins who have been with Osho for decades describe themselves as Osho lovers. I don’t. I’m a bit of a tough nut and that kind of language is too sweet for my palate. I loved Osho like a friend while I was with him and now…well I suppose I just don’t have a need for someone called a spiritual master anymore because I’ve come to realize that I am completely alone and I’ve embraced that aloneness. I think in truth that is what Osho wanted, but he did so much enjoy to have a crowd at his feet, worshipping his divine tootsies and that is never a good sign in the enlightenment stakes.
Lokesh, if you allow me to make an opinion: what you say is all well and makes sense, and I would even buy that you are as cool as Osho and all this super-duper realised soul. But what is missing in everything you’ve said is humbleness and real gratefulness to the Master. If you think you are the Master, why the hell did you go to Osho and Papaji? Why didn’t you realise it all by yourself?
I think that you are also full of illusions, of a different kind. And you love to teach others. To me these are the signs of an ego trip, but a solid one. Your statement “I loved Osho like a friend”-like a friend? So you split love? love is love and if it was total you would not have been able to describe it and downgrade it. Moreveover, if you were toatally with Osho you would not have gone to Papaji either! You are probably a slow student, you need more help.
Some way to go, my friend….
Love
Chetna
Neerav,
are you based in Nepal in one of the Arunji´s communes or you are one of the Nepalise student who got “settled” in USA/Canada, like most of the students from Asia.
From there it gives a right base to follow one´s own religious beliefs more passionately, and these people support all the expansion plans of their respective faiths.
To be fair to all, it is relevant to call Osho´s teachings/meditation techniques etc. also a part of some people´s faith and belief system.
As time has shown we, the lovers/follwers/ participants of Osho´s techniques are not worst or better than other group of people or individuals.
It means, in super speciality hospitals too, stink of the humans will have the same stink though the disposing system is more advanced, like the way sannyas community does, hiding the dirt under better carpets.
The other day, a reader of sannyasnews asked me on facebook chatting, ” have i seen the Oshodhara Tv ads. at Astha(beliefs, faith and religious channel).
I asked, ” What is so special about them?”
The ad says, follow the Osho dhara courses for 84 days and get freedom from the life and death cycle of 8.4 million Yonis.”
Definitely, competition is cut throat in the country of 1.3 billion people where salvation is offered on mass level.
With this kind of relatives, Osho(The rajneesh, the original one) will also have to go through the courses conducted by his brother.
and His sannyas initiation name will be-
“Osho Bechaara”
Osho means, waves in the ocean, Bechaara means helpless.
Chetna, I enjoyed your somewhat feisty post and it certainly deserves a response.
I’ll start with the end of your post: love. Signing off a communication in this way began in Poona One. It kind of means that anything goes because it is all in the name of love. Well in your case it is not. I am not from the school that is a bad thing to judge. Were it not for our capacity to judge we would not have got this far as a species. As it is, you are coming from a very judgemental place in yourself and it has nothing to do with love, so you can drop your hypocritical standpoint for a start.
I’m cool but not as cool as Osho, I only saw him angry once in the seven years that I knew him. I have a bad temper, especially when it comes to self righteous twats in the theatre of spiritual mumbo jumbo. I’m not in competetion with Osho, or anyone else for that matter, with myself, yes, I’d say that I often try to better myself.
I don’t think I am a realised soul. In fact, I am beginning to doubt the existence of the soul. Perhaps it is a case that we are not born with a soul and have to create one during our time on earth. I doubt the existence of anything permanent that survives death- Yes, something continues but it has little to do with anything vaguely resembling personality.
I went to Osho and Papaji because I neede help. They provided it and I moved on. This is one of my main arguments. What I see being built around Osho now is a cult of personality. What good does that do anyone? Unless, that is, there exists a need to worship a name and form and therefore Osho will do, but I never heard of Osho himself getting into such a dumb activity.
You say that the desire to teach others is the sign of an ego trip but if that is the case it will surely follow that Osho was on an ego trip because he spent his life teaching others. I am not out to teach anyone anything other than perhaps how to enjoy a good debate.
Let me make it clear. I use this blog to sharpen certain skills. My motivation is totally selfish and has nothing to do with anyone else.
The word love has been bandied about for centuries. Your interpretation of loving Osho like a friend is just that…your interpretation.
You say: you would not have been able to describe it and downgrade it.
Chetna, if anyone is downgrading anything in this case it is you. To love someone as a friend is for me one of the greatest compliments I can pay another human being.
You continue, Moreveover, if you were toatally with Osho you would not have gone to Papaji either!
All this says to me is that you have boxed yourself in to an outmoded believe system. You are living in a room full of mirrors. I recognize it, because I was once living in such a cage. One thing Osho taught me that I am forever grateful is that you can only understand another person to the depth that you understand your self. You are approching the matter from a limited perspective.
This is reinforced by your snide comment: You are probably a slow student, you need more help.
And you’re parting shot: Some way to go, my friend….
The idea that there is some destination to be reached other than where you are right now is a huge illusion and fuels this whole stupid nonsense that we know collectively as ‘the spiritual journey’.
You call me your friend but really you do not speak the language of friendship, neither do you speak the language of love, even though you claim to do both with your words.
I might me full of illusions but one thing I am certain of, you are a misguided fool.
Chetna, Chetna Darling..
What a brave woman you are, showing red scarf to Lokesh, the sannyas Bull from Scottland.
On the other side, thanks to Osho and His “Sangham Sharnam Gacchami”, we the people are this much capable for caring each other, so that a small push could make each other move, little more little more.
A dead master´s disciples need to show more steal and smiles, a sign of getting maturity.
Shantam, please, that’s the ‘ZEN’ bull from Scotland, or else it’s bullshit.
Believe it or not you were in my thoughts this morning. I was thinking about how we both know who we are in the sense that we do not hide our identies. I appreciate that about you, Shantam.
Misguided fool! You are right and I am your mirror!
Lokesh, I enjoyed your post and your attacking mechanisms as self-defence. They just proved my assumptions.
Shantam, I am not scared of any man, I am actually thrilled by bulls with balls. In that sense I respect Lokesh. I just wanted to tease him and tell him what I can see from his posts. I could be completely wrong, but am convinced he is completely wrong by thinking that he is not in illusion that he is “out of the cave” and free. It is just the game he is playing with others to feel better about himself.
I like most of your posts Lokesh and you are quite clear on guru trips etc. But are you clear with your trips with Osho and Papajee? I can’t believe you (some little man with big ego from Ibiza) dare to compare yourself with OSHO to start with!
things i dont do….
number 47
not hiding our identities…..
number 48
not meditating..
having someone else meditate for you instead…
osho did a grand job of being enlightened on my behalf….
( i tried the same but got distracted in the first few moments by a sheer inability to breathe in and out for long periods….whaddya mean i do it all the time… i do..????.. wait get me a hat and a beard…..i said waiittttttt !!!.)
chetna…
how thrilled..? which country…?
what time…????
.. er
any chance?
no hope…?
five minutes
3 ?
trust me im a sannyassin…?
lokesh ur married right..? im thinking of saving u therapy time, im not being selfish..
chetnas just … being flirty and i hate a flirt going to waste….
sure im even part scottish.. ma family heritage name is actually Turnbull.. from the lowland clan…
er kavita….
u still r special to me .. nono.. i was just explainimg to chetna and lokesh and shantam that er .. we er .. mm could all ..
meditate together..
u know with our clothes off
old school
masturbation and meditation is similar , shantam, when will you learn..
they are both done to the sound of one hand
and they both lead to having no frenz on facebook..
aloneliness
Chetna, you ask, But are you clear with your trips with Osho and Papajee?
The answer to that is not so simple but I will try and be concise, which means i will not go into great detail.
For seven years being around Osho was the filcrum of my existence. Then I had an extremely uncomfortable awakening that jolted me into acknowledging certain realities that I had turned a blind eye to. I would be lying if I did not say that I became thouroghly disillusioned with Osho and sannyas, both of which I had a lot of expectations about, for instance believing that they would both always be there for me as some sort of safety net, some kind of spiritual security.
I don’t know if I would go so far as to say I was bitter, but it did take some years to get back around to seeing that I had a lot to thank Osho and sannyas for. Today I view my time with Osho in a very positive light, but I do not dwell on it because it is history. If someone were to ask me if I am a sannyasin I would answer yes, with a wry smile.
Papaji was a great guy. A real liberator. There is no need in my eyes to compare him to Osho on any level but I will say one thing. Papaji was very differant from Osho in the sense that he was not interested in dealing with masses of people or the prestige and power that comes with being the centre of attention for a lot of people. I hung out with him for six very intense and enlightening weeks and when I left Lucknow I did so knowing that there was no reason to return there. The job was done, the circle that had opened in my late teens was finally closed, even though I had not realized that there was unfinished business to be attended to until I met H W L Poonja.
So when you ask me am I clear about my trips with Osho and Papaji my answer is a resounding yes! And I am eternally grateful to those two wonderful men for helping me to be who I am now.
So where does that leave me now? Well, I’ll leave you with an enigmatic answer. I am dusting the shelves.
It has taken me sixty years of living to get here, but finally I am free from the need to have an external teacher. The real master is within and anyone who tells you otherwise is either a fool or a deceiver.
It may sound contradictory, especially taking into consideration that I spent decades doing it, but I think that seeking enlightenment is a waste of time and the quicker an individual wakes up to that the better. That is something I really appreciated about Papaji, he made no secret of the fact that what he had to transmit could be received in three days. All these organizations built around the idea of spiritual growth are bogus. The truth is yours to understand right here, right now and all you need is the guts to stand up and claim it,
I see no harm in people playing guru games other than it keeps people in a childishly dependent state. The herd mentality is not for me and it is thanks in part to Osho and Papaji that I understand that and embrace my aloneness, knowing there is nothing more to be done.
I trust, Chetna, that this has satisfied your curiosity.
PS. I don’t claim to be enlightened. I’m not interested in enlightenment and all the rest of that golden carrot spiritual bullshit.
Half of the spices on the earth have balls, which make them proud on their masculinity, other half have the tits sometime in wholesale,which will make Victoria´s Secret designers hide in the cave.
May be Prem Martyn should milk a cow, it will be worth a Tantra experience, Cow´s warm milk flowing from her perky tits.
Turiya and Veeresh, please take notice.
Drop Osho, start worshipping Cow, the symbol of nourishment and Erotica*
And Chetna, if you like also another kind of balls, which are part of inner conviction, i can think to ask for a date in April, in Tapoban, Nepal.
Woman with balls in their brain..is worth an experience. Osho was implanting such balls in His disciples.
As with Siliknon, many balls have gone burst, punchured with in a period of decade or so.
Eternity must be somewhere else.
As it seems, What Ponzi schemes are for financial world, enticement of EnLIDLment is for spiritual sector.
(A Ponzi scheme is a fraudulent investment operation that pays returns to separate investors from their own money or money paid by subsequent investors, rather than from any actual profit earned. The Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering returns other investments cannot guarantee, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent. The perpetuation of the returns that a Ponzi scheme advertises and pays requires an ever-increasing flow of money from investors to keep the scheme going.
The system is destined to collapse because the earnings, if any, are less than the payments to investors)
I must say, this sarcastic approach can be born out of “Grapes are Sour”, story of a hungry Fox.
In my observation, somewhere down the road, All these neo or old Enlightnment diggers are not more helpful than the family physician or the priest.
With God´s grace, they have found the profession, which is a cause of envy for many.
But in the case of real help, the push,the motivational punch always comes from non professional helpers, the back benchers of seekers path.
These kind oe people and cool attitude can attract people with the backbone around Osho, the backbencher Master himself.
talk to the hand shantam… …cos the face aint listening…
Obama humbled by conservative wave
Republicans seize momentum in House of Representatives as voter disillusionment leaves Democrats facing a tough future
Republicans seize control as millions of U.S. voters turn their backs on Obama
When countries with hundreds of millions people can follow the system of public opinion and public voice.
When the man with Yes, we can do, approach also gets the taste of dust, WHY ON EARTH…
Fellow sannyasins around Osho head quarters are treating the place more as a VATICAN than as a WHITE HOUSE.
It seems, out of million disciples only few got the proper implantaion, rest are lying in a used condom of Sannyas getting dry or crying, where is the new Master… Advaita..please help…SOS.
Martyn, don´t forget a Cow, mother and beloved in one.
Packed milk even from Bio shop is no good. It gives no sensation in the fingers, the warmth to the lips.
Who was that historical figure who got so called enlighenment” while sitting in a cow milking posture?
Lokesh-thanks, it does answer my question. I am grateful you’ve shared your experience. And I think you have been extremely lucky to meet those people in your life and learn from your own experience.
The point, I would still like to make, is that now you are imposing (maybe the wrong word) your life experience on others. The conclusions you came to are not necessarily the truth, or at least the truth to another person. So to me, there is no difference between you and someone from Tapoban. Both sides are convinced that what they are doing/thinking/believing is the truth and is the way. And it is natural, because one speaks only of what he knows. And do not get me wrong, I am in the same boat.
Unlike you, I think there is enlightenment, but would not like to go into describing what I think it is. It is a mystery! And I do not think Osho was an ordinary man in the sense of his role to humanity.
Do you think when you die people will keep falling in love with you, after 20-100 years? With Osho they do, and not because of his cars and so many sannaysins around him.
Many of us have not been with Him and somehow now I see it as a benefit. The whole concept of dependence drops. But you are right; all those emerging gurus are a kindergarten.
I have realised recently that if I was not shown meditation, my life would probably be so dull and unconscious. For sharing meditation I will always be grateful to Osho, his sannaysins who meditate and the whole world!
PS Shantam, do you want to be a bull too? I am afraid I think you a pussycat, a very sweet one!
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Once there came a young enthusastic Iranian American young man at Sannyasnews, who was speaking the limitations of democracy but without outlining what is the replacement.
OSho has given much importance to the world Meritocracy, everytime he uttered this world, there was a sense of satisfaction on his face, as if Social engineer is giving the best clue for modren bridges.
IS HIS ORGANISATION IS A SYMBOL OF MERITOCRACY.
Yes.. employees of “Sodexo” bring this meritocracy to Osho inc.
‘ Do you think when you die people will keep falling in love with you, after 20-100 years? ‘
no that would necrophilia….
but chetna when you write of love… it kills me..
Photos?
single?
polyamorous?
Shantam, do you want to be a bull too? I am afraid I think you a pussycat, a very sweet one!
Not a bad observation Chetna. Some where in 1991, my German colleague at Sannyas Initiation Office told me during the coffee, ” Don´t feel offended, i say as a compliment, i think ” you are a woman in man´s body.”
I think, it is not a bad thing to know, what woman want!
I have tried to deliver, but order gets change before its touches the delivery door.
‘ Do you think when you die people will keep falling in love with you, after 20-100 years? ‘
The reward goes to the makers of Buddha´s statues and the carpenters who craft Jesus on Cross. It is their effort that these two gentlemen are the most sought after names in the modren history.
I love you and envy you!
Masters, specailly dead and gone ones are not like the pious Muslim wife in Hizab. They need a createive team to project them as the best whore on the net…
I am content to have one person falling in love with me while alive. People might still be ‘falling in love’ with Osho when he has been dead for twenty years, That is their problem. because it is highly questionable who and what they are falling in love with. That is the problem with worshipping dead masters: you can get away with anything because the master is not there to guide them. If you are fortunate enough to find a master who is bona-fide and has the time to share with you.
I’m not forcing my ideas on anyone. I just like to let people know it is also okay to let go of their attachments to fingers pointing at the moon.
You think there is such a thing as enlightenment but don’t go into describing it because it is a mystery. How trite and how very convenient. Life is a mystery to be lived etc. We all know that one. Perhaps it would be a good idea to go into describing what you believe enlightenment to be because that way you might convey a sense of clarity as opposed to being very vague. There is nothing mysterious about that.
“no that would necrophilia….”-ha ha ha Good one
Martyn, I am afraid already taken.
Lokesh, I would simply not be able to do that as it is not my experience as yet. And I am not interested to argue this point, as it actually does not matter. I started to meditate because it makes me feel good, and if enlightenment happens to me I would only be pleased.
Dead Master, reincarnation, spiritual experiences are again arguable and there is no point in proving one or another. If I tell you about my experiences in life and meditation you would tell me they are my projections, dreams etc etc. So there is no point in talking about this at all.
To me death is a mystery, my Maser is a mystery and enlightment is a mystery. I will not shut the doors in front of them just because they are not tangible and cannot be proven to you.
If you think that Osho is dead-you do not meditate! That’s my view.
That is the whole point, Chetna. You might be comfortable with all this mystery that you wish to surround yourself with. Bully for you. But one thing that is coming clear here is that you are entertaining misconceptions about the nature of enlightenment. You demonstrate this by saying if it happened to you, it would be something to be pleased about.
You claim to be so into Osho but you seem to have paid little heed to what he said. For enlightenment to happen you have to get out of the way. In this case the ‘you’ in question is a spiritual seeker who shrouds life’s deeper questions under the conveinent blanket of mystery.
You are also dealing in abstractions that could be interpreted on any number of levels. I don’t think you are really interested in genuine communication or else you would not trade in such banal headlines as, quote: ‘If you think that Osho is dead-you do not meditate! ‘ For the benefit of the unenlightened among us, including my self, what exactly does your parting shot mean, what are you talking about, or is that a mystery too?
That’s your view, you declare. Once again you box yourself in because you are obviously identified with your point of view and, spiritual realms aside, even in life that is a mistake, because it implies a lack of flexibility on your part.,
chetna its a great projection .. but its better if its xxx rated…
do u and ur boyfrend upload anywhere?
number 149
not adopting the position of the person in front of you
i dont ,meditate before love
but after love… as a good sannyassin
ur on ur own in alonessssssssss…
and dont touch me there… im not ur possession
do u and ur boyfrend upload anywhere?-we do and we are very cute (toegtehr or alone).
Lokesh, I am always in a rush. Will try to find time to answer properly….but am not a good intellectual…
i would like to download your upload .. any chance ur boyfrend could offload.. on yur face…whilst u meditate…
xxxisses osho’ not dead but im not alive yet type ones
im not an intellectual either….. but a lot of people say it suits me….
Come, come now, Martyn, you’re being modest and that really does not suit you.
i was an intellectual once but i thought myself out of it..
i’m a self-thought kinda guy…
i got ‘Teach yourself enlightenment for dummies’ once…great for keeping the fridge door closed…
and thank u kindly sir lokesh… have u noticed i’m playing hard to get with the girls…. and it seems to be working… they dont want me….
whereas u and ur talk of erm god knows what.. well they come back for more…..
i might have to shag shantam at this rate….anything with tits.. im easy
That is why, Martyn, Cows direct milk is the solution.
four tits in your fist.
Shantam has tits?!
Well…he’ll just have to ‘work on himself’ then….
So, Shantam, Neerav has replied to me (copied below) and given all the details of ‘what’s on’ up there in lil’ ol’ Nepal…
So, as I mentioned a few days ago, isn’t your ‘social problem’ solved now, or at least a significant aspect of it? (No doubt you’ll cling tenaciously to the rest of it, as long as ‘those bloody Western infidels’ are i/c of Poona).
IE, you can just hop off (toujours la politesse!) to Nepal and drown yourself in music, meditation (9 hours a day enough for you, sir?) and… all those eager young ladies whose ‘company’ you so clearly crave (and why not, indeed?!)…
Plus de probleme, monsieur, n’est-ce pas?
For Neerav…
Thanks for the fulsome response, appreciated.
Sounds pretty ok to me…
But what’s this we hear re Hindu mantras, chants etc? And ‘gacchaamis’ – why drag those in, don’t you know why they came in on the Ranch?
Shantam, here’s Neerav on the Nepal ashran scene:
@ Satya Deva and your LAST QUERY about the activities at these communes in Nepal. Every day is just like an intensive session day. I dont know what it is called but its something like Intensive Meditation Program, where six or Five Osho techniques are offered. The morning starts with Dynamic, then breakfast and samadhi darshan (samadhi darshan only in Tapoban) then the next session can be nataraj, chakra sound, chakra breathing, stop meditation, kirtan meditation, mandala, no-dimension etc. during meditation camps an extra session also follows of sharing…then lunch… and some relaxation time then nadabrahma, then tea, then kundalini…. The evening sessions can be either white robe brotherhood or the evening satsang..it only happens here in Nepal and i also saw some videos of OSHO Risk and some groups with Vasant Swaha where i saw them doing it… if u dont know what it is then its like what used to happen in pune 1 and rajneeshpuram, if u see the celbration videos of Guru purnima or Osho’s birthday celebration from those days you will see it. Music, celebration, gacchami. humming, Osho’s video then again celebration….This is a normal day at any of the commune of centers in nepal. Other activities include weekend meditation camp when many people from the city come to stay and participate in the session…these are usually new and young people along with other sannyasins. then every month there is one 3 day meditation camp when again people come to stay and meditate for 3 days. Then we have 7 days Intensive Silence Meditation Camp 5 times in a year. These camps are over crowded with participants from all over the world are great events so more 7 day programs are being added. from next year we will have six such programs in a year. in these camps for seven days participants are encouraged be with themselves as far as possible and remain in silence…all the participants participating in these camps have to actively participate in all the meditations that include different Osho techniques which sums upto about nine hours of meditation a day.. ofcourse its just techniques and the main purpose is the silence. And yeah other programs include seven day No-Mind group, Who am I group, i think its called enlightenment intensive, The 21 day mystic rose group which is actually happening now and started around the last of October…. And then there are sannyas celebrations that happen every week, on seven day and three day camp also, when new friends take intitiation into Osho Neo sannyas. Apart from this we frequently have Music, Art and other workshops and infact there is a beautiful school in tapoban called the School of Music, Laughter and Arts that take care of these programs and organizes live music celebrations on Celebration days like Master’s day, Osho’s Birthday and Osho Mahaparinirvana day. Then there is also one thing every week one Osho book is declared the book of the week, or some discourse package is declared the discourse series of the week or month…. a twenty percent discount is offered on the original prices of such weeks and yeah we also have these huge Osho book fare in the city which is also a great event…. SO basically these are the things happening here.
Satya Deva,
Neerav has explained beautifully the life in the commune at Tapoban. With a little differences added, according to the local tastes and sensibilities.
Similar kind of Osho devotee will run the commune in France, but with a difference. It won´t be a big thing to stroll naked on the beach together and say three times, ” OSHO”.
in America, it won´t be inappropriate to add Xmas also a festival day in the calender of Osho festivals and install a huge Xmas tree, ask Dr. AMrito to wear a Santa Claus costume and distribute gifts. Being Osho commune, it will not embarrass anyone, if few get a packet of condom, some naughty underwear and so on.
Similarly in Germany, once in a while Brat Würst at Lunch time with a glass of SEKT..
What is happening in Pune is a complete reconditioning of Old man by the old men. It is deprogramming the social engineering. It has all the Osho meditation techniques, all the white robes but Osho soul is turned into a snake without the poison..
As we all can see,Osho Pune is not in the news, it is existing like a old man in a caring home. Yes..Caring home has also added Gym in their facilities!
Why other than Pune has no emotional place in my heart-
First of all, what Osho Tapoban is for Neerav, Pune is for me or for other sannyasins of my generation.
It is like in the natural creation. All the trees have the similar style. People like You(SD) or me or Lokesh have grown as branches with Osho directly. we have no sub branches.
Arun ji, Neelam or few others like rajneesh are raising their own sub branches and leaves.
Between us and Osho there is no intermediate, same is with Arun and Osho, same is between jayesh/amrito and Osho…
If we have to meet, the Pune will be the right place. Other than Osho, there is no super hero there.
It means me or first generation sannyasins can relate with these people on one to one basis as students of the same class but to sit in their class is for the students of another genartion ant time…
So my observation is, Whereas Arun ji has taken a small branch of Osho and by implanting in His country, we are seeing a huge Banyan tree getting bigger and bigger… it is nourished with heart energy.
But in Pune, at the Original tree a shrinking is happening not because of some natural reasons but because DDT is being sprayed by someone who think they are the doctors of Osho´s work.
Their doctored version is not growing, it is a little Bonsai…The bold and courageous decision would have been to take their Osho to England and Canada and to raise their version of Osho Resort there, but cunning yet missionary superiority….**
Being the eye witness and the participant in the original version , i owe it to life to say as i have seen.
Martyn playing hard to get, when all he really has to do is act naturalee.
Nepal sounds fascinating. Last time I was in those parts was in 1971 or something and I was out of my mind on drugs(permanently). I maintain that if you want to get out of it you have to get into it, something which was easy in those times because of wonderful places like the Eden Hash Centre etc. It is great to hear that the meditation path is becoming more popular than the shining one. Quite remarkable and I dig the enthusiasm.
At Jayesh´s Osho resort, Bollywood beats are allowed but not the heart songs created by Osho sannyasins.
Such is the paradox of life.
These people have not realised that if few people are still coming, it is because they treat it as a original workshop of Osho, Master himself was residing and working here among His people. It is the history, its heritage status which attracts people, Not the swiming pool not the gym, not the coffee and bear bar.
One must be a very poor soul, living in a card board houses to get attracted with such trivia nd travel thousand of miles.
It is just like love.
People jump in the sea of fire and swim till the other shore. Just SEX is not worth than 20 to 200 dollers for an hour, according to the cites and countries.
What is the hourly price Martyn, in your neighbourhood.
I may send you an hour of such service for the coming Xmas season.
When an hour is too much. A story from Jeevan´s circulatory mail-
“Morning Sex”
She was standing in the kitchen, preparing our usual soft-boiled eggs and toast for breakfast, wearing only the ‘T’ shirt that she normally slept in. As I walked in, almost awake, she turned to me and said softly,”You’ve got to make love to me this very moment!”
My eyes lit up and I thought, “I am either still dreaming or this is going to be my lucky day!” Not wanting to lose the moment, I embraced her and then gave it my all; right there on the kitchen table.
Afterwards she said, “Thanks,” and returned to the stove, her T-shirt still around her neck.
Happy, but a little puzzled, I asked, “What was that all about?”
She explained, “The egg timer’s broken.”
Perhaps we could suggest a ‘Writing Course’ in these Nepal places – first lesson: Paragraphs?
(Or would that be a shocking affront to, er, ‘the spontaneous expression of breathless excitement’?!)
Power lies not in the hands of those who are elected or selected but in the people, who were supposed to be served.
Similar sentence i have just heard at CNN from humbled Obama, still the most powerful man on the earth.
Never heard such sentences from the elected or selected people who run the spritual organisations. Their humility lies in their arrogance, only before the mighty God or similar entity,, they will bow down.
Small ego pricks serving the higher voices….
So in fact, Shantam, your discontent with the Poona situation far outweighs your concerns about ongoing opportunities to enjoy ‘love, life, laughter’ , regular celebrations, the whole (former Poona) social scene you have mourned here so many times?
This must be the case, given your recent responses.
If you really wanted to go through the ‘post-Osho-in-the-body sannyasin trip’ then it seems you could, in Nepal.
If not, why not?!
Satya Deva, it is impssoible to explain to an outsider or to someone who left the movie in the middle about the climax scene, directed and written by OSHO.
It is a matter of HONESTY and Inner INTEGRITY, not to temper with someone´s creation, and that too when it is created by somone in the league of Buddha and Jesus.
I will feel equally offended, when some enterpreneour will open a resturant at the peak of a mountain.
Few things take the form of our collective heritage, almost national monuments.
It is too simple to say, ” Amma is a Avtara of Durga, but to say Love life laughter and Dynamic Kundalni plus easy relations is Osho teachings, simply show, how superfically one knows the working style of a master of Osho´s stature.
I am not a person who gets sick from his mind and needs some hugs, some wonder energy of some healer mystic, i also care a shit whether something like enlightenment exist and it make no difference in my adoration for Osho, even He is the biggest conman in the history of human religiosity.
I appreciate my master for His bold message and His attempt to create a visible tangible workshop not just theoretical blah blah…
What a man could do in His little life span of 59 years was a momentous task in the atmosphere of over all hostility.
If the disciples post master death dilute or change the working environment at His workshop; it is a shame to the whole idea of being a disciple,
After all, Pune two was based on the life long experience of the master and there was nothing illegal or inhuman in His approach.
And moreover as the time has shown, vast majority of disciples have shown their complete indifference to the present day resort.
How someone like me can go on continuously criticising master´s place if it´s broad band of popularity is taking roots in the hearts of seeker´s spread in around 7 billion inhabitants of earth.
Hey Lokesh— I sent you a ten gallon hat, didn’t you get it yet? check the inside before flopping it on your head, since I am full of shit I thought, I might pass some of it on to you. Do have the addresses of the rest of the schmucks on this site…. shit is a terrible thing to waste along with ten gallon hats….
Do have= Do you have; so sorry boys and girls
To sum up the merry-go- round that’s been happening on sannyasnews for eons… Osho extremists think they know it all since they are lovers of osho and what he says is eternal, absolute law, along with wanting the world behave in accordance with their interpretation of his osho’s spoken word. Those with at least some intelligence, see differently and challenge these fools at every opportunity. It’s one thing to share your views and another to try to force others to live by them… The church of Osho members just don’t see it that way… welcome to organized religion …. are you so blind to see it, Neerav, et al.?
Bubbie, you are also one of those fool who try to clap when their kind of interptation rule.
It makes life easier to live in one´s own comfort zone of thinking…
Let there be as many religious beliefs as there are human beings. Millions of shades between black and white…
Let there be churches for those who want to visit and let there be no Talibans, who feel itch in their buring ass, when they see a statue of Buddha…
Simply Fuck off to narrow and closed minded defination of life.
Shantam Prem:
Few things take the form of our collective heritage, almost national monuments.
It is too simple to say, ” Amma is a Avtara of Durga, but to say Love life laughter and Dynamic Kundalni plus easy relations is Osho teachings, simply show, how superfically one knows the working style of a master of Osho´s stature.
SD:
My point, Shantam, is to ask in what ways you (think you) are living whatever truth you have received from Osho.
If it’s just sitting around wringing your hands (and writing here) about how bad things are in Poona and how much better they were 21 years or more ago, then you yourself are doing nothing except spout hot air…Just like any old fool out there, whatever might be the cause of his nostalgic discontent.
And are in danger of becoming a fossilised old “monument” yourself.
It has become a sign of convinient middle class psychology of superior intelligence to sing praise for Sushi and complain about Organised religions.
Never heard somebody speaking about the alternative to the Organised religions.
And wonder is these disillusioned ex. Christians feel on offence when they go to the touring Indian Nuns and monks.
Has someone dared to ask, to which organised religion these Amma´s of south India belong?
im not disillusioned
i never understood anything i was doing anyway,,.. how could i possibly be disillusioned….
that would mean there was a point or a feeling or love….or something unusually full and transforming…
now how could i possibly have been involved in anything like that…
a man shall be known by his words
…TITS
and his deeds
…WANK
‘ its aloneness Scotty but not as we know it ‘
bubbie
ive been reading a second hand book published by the theosophy society in 1890…
‘Turettes syndrome and Fuck me bollox bollox Im not enlightened shit ‘
Prem M… Duh, Huh, humna humna, ooo ooo ooo, Say Wha?
Prem M. – Say that again?
Prem M. Are you a stingy fucker not to buy a new copy- Pass the hat for Marty. Just don’t by a bottle of Wild Irish Rose with the money.
Shantam you say: Never heard somebody speaking about the alternative to the Organised religions.
As far as I am concerned there is no need for an alternative. Just drop the whole trip called organized religion. Organized religions have caused nothing but trouble. Now Islam is rising and the Christians are mobilizing and all we need is for the Talibs to get really organized and open the door to Pakistans’s nuclear arsenal and then BINGO! We have a result and organized religion will do what it has always done….kill lots of people.
bubbie..
its not cheap skate-ism…re second hand books
but my first hand is busy right now…
thinking of shantams tits…and really looking for enlightenment by extended indecipherable metaphor
and nepal is lovely in April….
because i care… everyone .. because i care
when obama or any other formar american president goes to india , so much fuss and so much welcome and so much news media?
why not same treatment for manmohan singh or other formar prime ministers of india when they visit america……..? is india lives in infearity complex or any other reason………..
please comment on my comment. good or bad i do not care anymore, but comment
“Javed and I (shabana) invited by the prime minister for dinner with Obama on 7th Nov,” Shabana wrote online. “USA full of doubts whether he will get a second term. I am pretty sure he will,” she added. Actress-activist, lyricist, PM and prez – we wonder what the dinner-table conversation will be like?
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satya deva…
is it me or is there some reason reason that i find having
Harraps Easy French Reader by my keyboard helps to fully comprehend your
je ne sais quoi..your extase des mots, your Plume de ma tante?
alternativelythiscanbereadasonefullsentenceintrueurgentseekerstyle
dont mind the gaps just listen to my words
Frank do you find most of what others in the northern India subcontinent are writing to be utter tosh …quite erm.. nepalling?
Lokesh
I really am not an intellectual…
..but i’m thinking of becoming one….
Anugrah- Why, you say the indian p.m.(s) don’t get the same media treatment as obama– why…?? Well because my dear indian pm’s run a country , one of the fastest growing countries that still doesn’t have running water, sanitation pickups, human shit all over the place, one of the highest HIV rates in the world, a caste system… the list is almost endless… so why the fuck should those lowly scumbag politicians get any media coverage, period…. take your head out of your nationalistic ass and smell the shit that’s in the air in your own neighborhood. denial and envy makes an enlightened man-not!!
Prem M. take your first hand away from that important work and get it back to the bottle of Wild Irish Rose, then back to the back of your throat and clear out that throat chakra of yours… you need to talk to somebody quickly; enough of that pig latin that you’ve been typing. Umday!!!!
shantam
nepal and jumping up and down all day reorientating your neurons wil be great for you
early in the morning in Tapoban you can hear thebirds cooing in the trees
‘cooee’ they call ,
‘cooeeee !’
quickly followed by
hallo my nepalese beauty, chirrup chirrup, ..you have the greatest pair of incense burners in the whole nepalese ashram…nearly as big as mine….ooohh ooooh…i have to go my sweet…. i feel the urgent need for some extended metaphor, behind these bushes….
as they say here ‘ a metaphor in the hand is worth more than a bird in her bush.’
and remember its
because i care..
bubbie
i was wondering what the sticky mess was in my throat..( its the overtime.that pays the bills .)….caused by your heavy Latin
dick’ …’n hairies
Satya Deva,
there is nothing such as hindu mantras, different types of music are always being experimented in the commune…its is only an effort to play good music to which people can dance, relax, meditate, celebrate etc…the different purposes…
sometimes people like something and it is played for a long period until people get so bored that not even a finger moves to it and its dropped. All kinds of music are played here,Buddhist Music, Hindu Chants, Sikh Music sometimes they are awesome, Osho songs, Old Osho kirtans, Osho celebration music, English Rock Music, trance music, English Rap songs, Indian classical music, bohemian music, Indian and Nepali Folk,you will find it quiet funny and corny but Venga Boys are quiet popular with people during Stop Meditation…its so funny but its amazing…
so it just depends on the mood and the session…But whenever something is played, its not because it belongs to some religion but because its good music.
Once a group leader played a very corny church music sung by some old Osho sannyasin from the west that even praised the pope and talked about benevolence and philanthropy and all that jazz that priests at churches talk about…it was so funny it became a joke in the commune for a whole month… so nothing is taken seriously …
but its just that when a hindu chant
(we play Krishna Das alot and his songs are usually chants about Ram and Krishna, and the music is just ammmmmaaaaaziiiiing and has such a good climax…listen to some of his songs) is played in a majorly hindu Country, people, specially sannyasins with their own non-religious conditionings pin point that the commune plays Hindu Chants and is promoting Hinduism…We also play musics that could be associated with other religions, culture or practise but nobody has any issue with that…its something to think about.
The human mind is always looking for reasons to complain, even one opportunity to show the other’s flaw is prior to appreciating 100s of reasons to appreciate…
last line : The human mind is always looking for reasons to complain, even one opportunity to show the other’s flaw is prior to 100s of reasons to appreciate…
Satya Deva was not in Pune for ages, may never visit Nepal, and for what?
when Idli and Chapati eating traveler monks and nuns are making home delivery at a little bit of extra cost.
Anugrah, before you ask for equal respect for Indian Prime Minister on American soil, ask yourself or few from other millions of Indians living in US, what they were missing in their mother land?
Matter of fact, Salvation and redemption comes last in the list of reincarnation believers Indians, first and top most priority is to have a business degree from an American institute and than the most beautiful thing in Life, THE GREEN CARD.
On the other side, India has received tremendous respect and clout on the world stage, not because it has produced J Krishnamurti or Osho,not because Amma´s sandalwood hug has the best cooling effect but because it followed the free market economy and is on the way to economic super power.
So if someone follows the foot prints of western pioneers, will be get success and appreciation and if someone like Osho tries to replace the Christianity with his brand of spirituality will rot in the prison or will be deported.
Any way, why to blame America, even His own people have downgraded Osho´s brand of spirituality.
America as a whole worships money. If America sees that it can make lots of money working in conjunction with another country the red carpet is rolled out. Really basic stuff.
Shantam, I don’t really see it that Osho’s brand of spirituality has been downgraded by his own people. It has perhaps more to do with the fact that some of Osho’s work (play) had to do with a particular period in human history and it is no longer relevant to what is current. Meanwhile the more eternal parts of his message are still relevent.
‘Osho’ as a brand name is somewhat tarnished not because of the activities of his own people but rather because of his own actions. The general public remember him as the Indian guru with 99 rolls royces who was imprisoned in America.
Just the idea that Osho had a ‘brand’ of spirituality says much about Osho. The brand in this case being associated with liberal sexual politics, excess etc. What was Krishnamurti or Ramana’s ‘brand’? They did not really have one. That is another thing that does not bode well as far as the public is concerned, because whenever spirituality has to do with branding it also has to do with commerce and traditionally real spirituality has nothing to do with money. Sannyasins in general, at least in Europe, have a name for being money-orientated and in certain sectors of business cuthroat and mercenary.
These are my personal objective observations and I don’t feel particularly concerned about any of this, because this has nothing to do with my own business activities, which are of a more altruistic nature.
Shantam:
Satya Deva was not in Pune for ages, may never visit Nepal, and for what?
when Idli and Chapati eating traveler monks and nuns are making home delivery at a little bit of extra cost.
SD:
Your second sentence is so laughably wide of the mark, SP, I’ve just cancelled today’s belly massage.
Any chance of responding to my last question, btw?
Or is it a topic you’d rather avoid?
Both the above posts are worth discussing.
But let me go first to clean the staircases of four houses.
This pocket money gives me the freedom to spend hours before my Osho computer.
FAO Neerav:
Ok, that’s the HIndu chants etc. cleared up, thanks.
And the gachaamis?!
whats with the gachammis and they were not made in rajneeshpuram, they were there in Pune 1 also, see old videos, the satsang sessions with osho..
we love the gachammi,
it means i bow down to all the enlightened masters of past present and future, i bow down to all thier ashrams, communes, temples, i bow down to all thier teachings…
i think its beautiful…osho taught us that every spiritual school had its good and bad qualities and made it open and taught his sannyassins that the good things could be taken from them…the gachhamis are sybloic to this..
i would like to know what’s wrong in it?
It was used in Rajneeshpuram in order to make sannyas look like a ‘religion’…
After the debacle and the return to Poona, it was dropped.
Why again take up something that Osho didn’t want any more?
Because it happens to suit your Eastern religious mind conditioning?
In some ways, you know, the present-day ‘sannyas movement’ without Osho – despite all ‘good intentions’ – simply – perhaps inevitably – stinks.
Not good enough, Neerav!
help help im drowning in explanations…
and nobody cares……….
throw me a pair of aruns lifesavers please.. the ones where you have to sublimate your own intelligence in order to survive……and get nooky…for free
saw Joe Cocker live last night…..
fucking amazing voice..
doesnt have a commune though… just enjoys himself… and sells music….
fucking brilliant…
as i was saying you can take all your unfulfilled wish fulfllment … and sing…
forget religious bollox… its a wank….and better done in private….
Falling in love with a Master, for no reason at all – just for the sheer joy of falling in love with someone who has disappeared, who is no more, who has become a great nothing. Who has become a silence.
Shantam dear, No enlightened Master ever dies in total, only His body say good bye to this world, whether His Sanyasins or otherwise, only oxygen ends in the body. And He leaves the link with the body, with His reasons connected to cosmos.
the only time u need religion is when cover your pretty young girlfrend with a burqah , before entering an osho commune…you then practice jumping up and down on a swamis head until you feel it crack if he tries to make a pass
thats what every commune needs lots of security to protect you, from the people inside it…
the world is a much much more fun place to be… and with high doses of integrity to boot….but communes.. nahhh .. just watch your back…
and by the way i did not make a career of fucking other swamis babes….
ethics and sentiment make me a decent charmer, not a shit bag like osho wanted you to be….
dont take my word for it..
try it yourselves for a few years….
“falling in love with someone who has disappeared,who is no more….”
those words strike a chord with me,and jolt my anglo-saxon brain….
how does an englishman know his wife is dead?
sex is the same,but the washing-up piles up……
i`m not really such a fan of jokes.
i had a disagreement with someone about an osho joke,some time ago.
i am sure i remember osho telling this joke but he denied it saying he couldn`t find it in the (electronic)files…
maybe there is an expert reading this that could enlighten me.
the joke:
a man is pacing nervously in the waiting room of a hospital waiting for his wife to give birth.
suddenly,the door bursts open,and in rushes the doctor holding the new born.
the doctor hurls the baby into the air,it hits the ceiling and crashes to the floor with a thump..
the doctor then proceeds to jump up and down on the infant.
the father is mortified,he manages to mumble…”my baby…what are you doing?”
the doctor strightens up,looks him in the eye with a smile and says: “c`mon,he was born dead.can`t you take a joke.?
another friend said he thought it was an allegory.
with osho as the doctor,and the baby as the osho movement,but maybe that`s going too far…….
about the burqah .. i was joking…
no
really
how about a cocks and cunts gallery to satisfy curiosity instead of the happy cheesy smiley faces we get at communes…
Cockbook.com ?
that way we could all just get it out of the way first… and focus on jumping up and down..
not that i care oh no of course not… just that there might be a few 18-30 somethings out there who might find communes aren’t that communal… unless its something you’ve got they want…..
everything i got from osho i paid for… double
make a note seekers , make a note…
Anais Nin
I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated…’
who needs a commune when u can love like that…
anais nin got shagged by her dad…
hence,she was in a similar position to anyone in a commune with a guru….!!
I love Joe Cocker’s version of the Staples Singer’s ‘Respect Yourself’
If you disrespect everybody that you run into
How in the world do you think anybody’s s’pose to respect you?
That is a good question.
yes i told everyone she was incesting as a person….some while ago
but her dad refused to dress up in a hat and beard…
called her a little tarte, she smiled and off they went…just like any guru
kascading kundalinis batman
you’re right….!
quite true lokesh…
have you seen the spoof rapper “fur q” by chris morris?
he says,(thoughtfully)….
“you gotta kill some people..uh..you can`t kill everyone….cos ..uh…there`d be no one to respect you….”
lokesh
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this is from the same concert series i believe… cologne…..(geneva last night. wooohoooo)
the sound was majestic …in real life my ears are still pulsing…….. standing underneath the man…..
loads of dance space…
sorry not the same concert series.. thats 2002
and by the way i did not make a career of fucking other swamis babes….
ethics and sentiment make me a decent charmer, not a shit bag like osho wanted you to be….
If you cannot get a cow for milking and sucking four wonderful breasts and find goat in the process, will it be the Osho´s wish, Dear Martyn?
what so ever, rent a cow or buy a goat.
If you get the desired benefits, circulate my advise to people, who think “Tantra” is something different.
Frank, you have a good idea about a commune with a guru, what is your take about a country with a Monarchy.
No wonder, Doc from Britain feels at ease when the commune turned resort is being run as an extended monarchy.
I think before someone designs a new commune, must study the working of the Bees. I have heard, the life around the queen bee is like a well oiled commune life.
;ay be in their brains, queen bee is a symbol of Durga, kali or simply an AMMA.
shantam,,
osho was never a democrat.
his commune was much closer to a monarchy,even to the extent of the practise of “droit de seigneur” for the therapists………..
i struggle to follow your metaphors which have the appearance of being knocked up in a cement mixer with faulty wiring from the commonwealth games building site in delhi………
but, are you saying that the doc is a queen?
i havent heard that one.
maybe he just realises that white man`s burden has extended from building the railways to looking after enlightenment…
how tiresome…
oh well,someone has to do it……
Ah yes, Papa Doc, he was a man after my own heart.
White man`s burden has extended from building the railways to looking after enlightenment…
This is a jewel of a sentence and somewhere showing the Horse Power.
One of my friend in India always says, “Indians are like cows.Westerns are like horses.”
A rustic way of saying about introvert and extrovert types.
As i have written many times, ” Masters can afford to be the feudal lords. It is not about the land holdings, where the daily wage labourers have to sit onthe floor and landlord on the higher place.
In our time, people have gone greedy about awakening, about enlighenment and for this, they make all the yoga postures to bent and melt Ego, posturing before feudal lords.
Thanks God, atleast Osho was an educated one, has a good command over the language, has interest in literature and allied human subjects.
There are other 1008 Maharaj in India, who think their navel is the center of the universe.
If someone has not been satisfied with a master like Osho, can try these 1008 types of dictators…
And one should not forget, Osho being Osho has not chosen someone as successor. One among the equals must not play the wiser one, the smarter one.
Joe Cocker is pretty good singing that song about respect, with the 2 gospel background singers filling in just right, gotta love it…
but…
i would say he needs to lose a little weight. if joe was sitting like a bird on a wire, he would probably fall off that wire very quickly.
the ancient wire.
joe falls off.
plop!
same goes for Arun. needs to cut back on the food, and not spend so much time traveling, throwing malas around people’s necks, with all that shakin’ goin’ on. just stay home and do some calorie reduction, that should be his first priority.
he’ll live longer, and feel better too.
I was phoning a friend in Pune who is in a flat renting business. High season of October to March was shrinking every year from the time of name and policy change at Osho Pune.
It is a first time, that most of the rooms are still empty in November.
and this year, one cannot shift the blame to recession, to German bakery blast.
May be people are not coming because Obama is suppose to start His India trip.
Shantam has been hitting the brown acid again.
Quote: Indians are like cows.Westerns are like horses.
The man is having weird hallucinations.
And deep insights into the nature of reality.
Quote: May be people are not coming because Obama is suppose to start His India trip.
Shantam is going where no man has dared to go before. He is having strange visions.
Quote: I think before someone designs a new commune, must study the working of the Bees.
Hail Shantam! Our hero,
May be people are not coming because Obama is suppose to start His India trip. (!)
I think i forget to put exclamation mark(!!) at the end of the sentence, to show, how the Junta mind works.
Always blame the outer circumsatnces.
It also validiates my point of view that since the place has become resort, it has lost its Midas touch.
Simllar exclamation mark is needed for. I think before someone designs a new commune, must study the working of the Bees!!
It means if someone wants to impress the western people on a mass level, this religious figure must use the modren ways of mamangement, because Bee´s kind of life has no future.
On the floor, sitting westerns doing Gachhamis or laughing with teethless Papaji on His grandfatherly talks, may have got some warmth, some cozziness but they are not worth to call, Messangers of new man, new humanity, same is about Rajneesh, arun, Samdarshi kind of Indians…
To see them, if one goes to their Satsang, hundreds go back to the churches.
Back to the roots is the home and the heart.
how comes bob appeared out of nowhere and speaks of lenny cohen…
tell me more bobsy.. for we welcome visitors on board the enterprise….
I’m quite fond of Lemmy from Motorhead.
Shantam, I actually went to two churchs recently while visiting Scotland. When in Rome etc. The church is dying. Most of the people who go are grey-haired pensioners, who don’t sing along to the hymns, most of which are pretty uninspiring. I give the church twenty years and it will almost be extinct. when I listened to the preacher it was pretty threadbare subject matter and going by the blank looks on the congregations’ faces everyone was bored stiff. I found myself asking, what on earth are these people doing here. Then again, I ask myself that when i see people attending satsangs given by people who are thoughroughly unenlightened.
This is why we need people like Shantam, heroes to lead us into the light….with exclammation marks!
Onward sannyasin soldiers marching as to war, with the mala of Osho going on before!
Ace of spades! Ace of spades!
i have this theory that its a lot about class….
that old british value of breeding…
and that ones’s breeding and class (the two are not synonymous) come out winners above and beyond all this twaddle about a confraternity of seekers…
i mean you wouldnt want a working class girl to be your lifetime partner if you had decent breeding… similarly one would not have much in common with the average rotund nepalese seeker or indian for that matter..
what..
tally ho
good day..
(plebs the lot of em)
Yes, I’m all for a racially ordered empire. Now where did I leave my swagger stick? Damned fuzzy wuzzies are getting restless. Kundalini rising, what!
shantam,
if you want to “impress western people on a mass level”..
try wearing a bikini made out of meat…
declare yourself a hermaphrodite…
or making soft s and m lesbo porn to an electronic music backing..
do you think arun or brian or the ic is up to it?
you?
no?
then you can forget mass awakening of the new man mumbo…..
About one part of your question in the morning, Lokesh, these two news items can create the background.A
And as i know, you are taking that part of Osho,which fits with your idea of spirituality. Osho as a super market is keeping those products too, which are in the corner shops of Shri Raman and Punja ji.
You are free to chose your take and remain oblivious to all other things.
Problem with spirtual bigots is that what they don´t need, they think nobody else need that too. They are so sissy in their brain that if Nutella is not on their breakfast table, it must be withdrawn from the market.
Something has changed drastically from the time of bearded westerns chanting about love. Even without the disaster of rajneeshpuram, Mala and orange looks outdated.
But what is still the eternal longing and will remain so…and here Osho is the pioneer, to bring the emotional and sexual love in deep harmony with divine love.
where 50% of the marriages end in divorce, even before the marriage there are series of separations, longing for love has taken the prime spot in the developed world and than you add divine discontentment born out of out of dated orthodoxy, Osho is the pioneer to address these two issues of love and meditation, meditation and love.
It is an inbuilt duty for his managers to allow the Osho river to take its natural course, their mind management has no takers..it is not serving the needs of contemporary men and women.
Where traditional religions can fail and where the match making sites can not reach, Osho has not only addressed but raised a solid platform built on legal grounds.
One needs farsighted leadership. Doc and financier must go. They have ruled the place for more than two decades like a Military junta in Burma.
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“osho is the pioneer to bring sexual and emotional love in deep harmony with divine love”
shantam.
hand on heart.
heve you achieved that harmony yourself?
ah but you dont have to jump up and down in the name of a guru to betray someone on the internet…
being a seeker makes your skin slimy…like kaa from jungle book… but less funny…
….due to an increase in demand , currently there is a restriction on indian metaphors
from now on there will only be an allowance of 4 indian metaphors per reply… and none of them to include ‘nutella’.
failure to retain a 4 metaphor limit will result in the immediate suspension of interest by other bloggers.
yours
the management.
now marty, i didn’t appear out of nowhere. i really come from the
same Source as you and Joe,
…Larry, Curly, and Moe, ,
..Mr. Spock, Doctor Spock,
and all the other Jabberwocks, Cohens, and Mighty Khans…
to Jupiter and Beyond,
I say…one multi-variegated humanity on their journey home…!
Beam me up, Scotty…
and frank, since our president obama hasn’t done it yet, i will…i apologize on behalf of all americans to the rest of the world for the travesty of gaga, … i am truely sorry. Roman Catholicism meets American garbage culture at its worst. even makes a jaded man cringe, doesn’t it?
“osho is the pioneer to bring sexual and emotional love in deep harmony with divine love”
shantam.
hand on heart.
have you achieved that harmony yourself?
Frank, with hand on the heart, in a relative terms not absolute but quite satisfactory, “ja” with small letters.
I am discontentidily quite contented, and feel more light in my heart than those ISO 9001 certified satsang and thearapy leaders.
With their kind of rip off and failure, I will commit Harakiri.
Gratitude goes to Osho and His complete package.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
(Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening
Robert Frost)
About the emotional rip off by holy one person industries, i have a real story.
I had a chance to go for speed dating. With one woman there was a common bond, India. She was with Sai Baba and in Europe, every year she visits Amma for a hug.
When we met another day for a walk and a coffee, she told honestly, “after her divorce around 10 years ago, she finds it impossible to open her up to a new relation. So men feel frustrated. öast time she was with someone in 2004.
As a Pune resident, i have seen so many frozen food coming to Ashram and getting defrost in few weeks.
I asked this woman bluntly, ” don´ tell me how great this man or that woman is, could they open your refrigerator and bring the frozen heart in the day light?
After the meeting, i had really a sense of sadness, and seeing the Bhakti kind of expired product on the shelves.
Solution does not lie in the excess commited by the hungry wolves wearing Swami and Ma´s titles but somewhere in the middle.
And i hope,one day a leadership team evolves from among Osho´s people, who make it possible, a sense of remorse and reconcilation with past and present.
Agony Auntie writes
Dear Shants,
Thats a great letter..It seems that youve nailed the hit on the head. After all theres no telling what fudge anybody orders when they get to the chocolate shop. You did very well. If more sandwich makers made the happy go lucky wolves with the sheep then no one could blame you for being a shepherd. After all there is more pudding in the ocean than you can buy in the corner shop.
Shantam – you said you would respond to my (and Lokesh’s) questions…
But you haven’t, have you? (You slippery little eel, you!)
Btw, as for:
“Osho is the pioneer to bring sexual and emotional love in deep harmony with divine love”
Oh yeah? Judging by the state sannyasins have been and are in I hardly think so!
Unless you can persuade me otherwise – and I mean by making a proper case, not just giving out airy-fairy bullshine – that will go down as possibly the biggest load of misguided, hypocritical junk even you have uttered.
I’m off now – you have 12 hours to make your case…Otherwise I’ll never speak to you again!
Prem M. Don’t you mean Lenny Bruce? I wonder if Shantam is actually the reincarnation of Lenny Bruce…
Frankie Bubbles: the head gansters at the ranch forgot to look up the meaning of commune… same with us all… then again, weren’t dictionaries banned from the ranch?
gansters=gangsters; shantam’s vibe is rubbing off on my keyboard.
Great stuff. Shantam is onedurfool.
There will never ever be any leaders in Poona and I’ll tell you why.
The commune scene is ‘spiritual’ and therefore it follows that the leaders will have to be very spiritual. The problem is that anyone who actually breaks from the herd mentallity and declares ‘hey, I got it!’ is immediately shunned and seen as a traitor. I’ve noticed a lot in your comments, Shantam, that tell me that even though you are dating or whatever you still come across as a sexually suppressed Indian. You like many others of your ilk are completely stuck in the role of seeker. What you are involved in keeps you in the role and you probably stay in that groove because you have become accustomed to it and it feels comfortable. You are not really interested in waking up and thus you will never become a finder. If you were you’d stop wasting your time writing all the shite that you do.
Personally I enjoy having you around. You are like the village idiot of SN and thus provide the important psychological yardstick that is part of every healthy community, because as long as a person cannot relate to the utter crappola you write one knows they are doing alright.
Thanks for that.
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dylan via tom the voice…
… just a bit of music for the late owls…
nite
And the early burds too it would seem. Never been a fan of Tom Jones but you have to hand it to the guy. Seventy odds and still going strong. Not as wide a vocal range as when he was a young un but still a great voice.
Cheers, Martyn. I saw this show on tv, was impressed at the time, but didn’t realise this is a Dylan song. Superb.
Instead of going to university, few people went to Pune or Varanasi in early 70´s. was it a individual decision or the fashion of that time, is a matter of another article.
Definitely these people got intense experiences and infections and viruses too, which were unusual for the mass of people back home, who were running businesses and social services.
One learns a lot in the adverse circumstances and also it brings back the longing to go back home. Let us make peace with parents and eat together. Whether it was some acute sickness which uprooted many from Pune or it was the gathering crowd, which turned away the children who were bottled fed or it was shrinking money, which made the seekers of 70´s going back home. Home is not too far away from the parents home.
So a maturity descended…
Such Pune one types could also see the ray of hope in monogamy after experiencing fuck me here and fuck me there. So man meets a woman, German meets a British and ground the family. Alternative family, middle class values are still being resisted.
What they have not forgotten to take with them from India is the warm sun. Lucky ones could get hold of sunny oceanic belts in Europe/Australia or America.
Home coming of wise Prodigal sons!
These people have no experience about Osho. Bhagwan of rajneeshpuram gave them the last shock of disillusioning.
Many such people know about Osho only through media or here say.
Life is in 30´s and 40´s. Who will give a reasonable good job to someone who were having immense spiritual journey rather than university degree.
But money every one needs…Naked truth itches the skin and the bones. Money gives the warmth, to the spiritual seekers/finders or to the so called worldly beings..
Other than meditation and Buddha talks these people also could learn the street smartness. When you have no degree, you must have smartness. Currency trade or simply supplying the joints back home, consumers became also little business people. Few ended up in Prison so that they can test their retreat feelings, rest stooped once a basic groundwork was laid.. Many also got inheritance..
My feeling is that like any 60, 65 years man who are enjoying the fruits of their legal or illegal or ancestral wealth in the company of their loved ones, feels at ease, in its natural way.. Few of them are regulars at Snews. Hardly i see someone who has lived and experienced the last phase of Osho. It will be an humbling experinece to be corrected by them.
So somehow in my observation The ants of Pune one whether they became individual seekers after deserting their loser commander in chief or those who are still sticking in Pune and teaching people about self sufficient meditations, have not contributed worth to the organisation, which gave them this extra ordinary superiority complex. a feling of finder rather than a mere seeker.
Yes..they have paid the bill like an upright consumer, few even complain that they paid double the bill for mediocre services. After all Master Disciple relation is not more worthy than student teacher relation. Service rendered, fees paid…
Well, Shantam, that was quite a well written comment. Difficult subject matter and you fall well short of the bulls eye, but nice try. Truth is you could write a book about. I spent three years doing that and even then I cannot encapsulate the whole story, which for me is one of the greatest stories ever told. The book should be out by the end of this year.
Now, Shantam would you please return to your routine nonsense or we’ll have to find another village idiot. Me perhaps.
at this stage,i would like to offer an apt neologism…
relig-idiot
relig-idiotism is a growing problem,and the most dangerous manifestation of idiotism of all…..
it can be caused in a number of ways…
over-tightening of the turban when the head is still soft…
chopping the end of the dick off is another popular one…
flagellation,threat of retribution from nobodaddy or bhagdaddy….
embracing no-mind whilst being a bit dim anyway…
folly is an endless maze……..
using general aphorisms instead of local metaphors gives you a wider net linguistically but fails to penetrate…..
so your use of language is borrowed from ideas already produced before you and not under your control…
you’ll have to declare your own experiences to become relevant…something which is difficult for you it seems…and produce your own conclusions for your own life…..
instead of seeking validation through opposing others…..
there is no object to defend here… only values of use, temporary,or permanent personal or social
those of us here who live the variety of cause and effect can afford to declare without hidden investments….. its not a model …its an expression….of experience..its less linguistic than writing here allows for… thats why my links allow for a multimedial approach…comedy, singing cartoons etc .. its effectively creative
personal
social
relevant
contemporary
unobliging
you obviously by your own expression.. (and in this u reveal that which and those who i condemn.)..cannot declare more than addiction..and its language of compulsion…. and like an addict you remain in an incubus….
protective and resolute and linear…
religion strips those who seek its protection of their liability .. and needs supraveneration to survive
i dont …
do you?
life is raw
and continues
thats why osho was a vegetarian and you are not…
do u know who u might be ?
Wonder whether Shantam will actually reply to my and Lokesh’s questions today…
Perhaps he doesn’t want to answer…
Maybe he doesn’t fancy the quetions?!
Much more ‘relaxing’ to try to summarise other people’s history than look at one’s own reality….
‘Intermission’ – Feedback wanted, please…
As it’s nearly the weekend, I’d like to continue the somewhat musical theme started earlier by Martyn, by recommending a brand-new, as yet unbreleased ‘feel-good’ song by Canadian Ron Sexsmith, ‘Love Shines’…
Easily found at ronsexsmith.com, ‘News’ page, in a box at right side…Headphones recommended…
This man has been writing and performing great stuff for a number of years and is widely acclaimed by critics and ‘stars’ (eg Costello, McCartney, Elton, Coldplay, Bono, even Dylan himself) – but has barely penetrated the public radar…
Could this – far more obviously ‘commercial’ – number do it for him?
“Perhaps it would be a good idea to go into describing what you believe enlightenment to be because that way you might convey a sense of clarity as opposed to being very vague. There is nothing mysterious about that.”
Hi Lokesh, I have thought about your questions and again would not be able to supply you with intelligent answers for the simple reason: MIND and Meditation go in opposite directions.
I am not trying to avoid questions, but this is truly my experience that life and death are a mystery. I have come to know there is more in me than the mind and that more I cannot explain in words. And this is where I am amazed with enlightened people because they can explain unexplainable. Every time I think I’ve understood something, it gets taken away by another meditation. So the onion is being peeled off, but I have not come to an end.
Enlightment is not my experience so it is stupid to give an explanation to it. The mind can only digest and reproduce what it knows. I can repeat what Osho has said, but is there any value? But I know that consciousness can expand and one can feel bliss-that has been my experience in meditation! So I just trust my Master. Otherwise, there is no even a point to be a sannaysins. Trust comes with sannays! And many people just get lost in questions with Osho rather than trying to experience his words.
When I hear your conclusions about things and life they seem stuck. I do not think a person that meditates daily can park anywhere. The river keeps flowing.
With meditation one comes to know about the fiction of separation from existence, and Osho is a part of that existence, thus you come to know he is not dead (his body is). That’s all I can say.
Can I prove it to you-NO! Can you come to know it in meditation?-yes.
That is my experience and many friends have come to know the same. And this is more than just a thought of logic, your being knows it and questions do not arise. That’s where I know the mind is quiet.
And last thing, I still will call it all a mystery, because I do not really know anything!
first thanks for asking
firstly what comes to mind is jackson brownes musicality with the dirges… and the voice … paul young type too—-
its lounge music…more fairport convention.. meets the carpenters… all the chimes but few surprises……
and his name doesnt fit…with his appearance.. i was expecting a jon bon jovi..
not my cup of tea
oops the above from me is to sd
chetna in ur public reply to lokesh…
thats very youthfully vigorous of you
my dog looks at me silently too…
should i make of him a religious object ?
i cant explain it .. i can sing it to you if u like…
it goes
lalalalalalala woof
Chetna, thanks for taking the time to reply. I still find much of what you say to be a bit vague. For instance, you say, Osho is a part of that existence, thus you come to know he is not dead (his body is). In an eastern oneness mindset I suppose someone might be able to make sense of that in a vague kind of way. That is the problem that I am beginning to notice more and more with this negating mind to attain some sort of oneness experience…it makes people lazy and stupid. You can sit there counting up all your bliss chips but you are not really communicating. This has nothing to do with the mind versus meditation argument and everything to do with a flakey attitude. If you are interested in spreading the good news about your inner development to the uninitited I suggest you brush-up your communication skills. A blissed out expression and a good vibe is all very well but in today’s marketplace it counts for little. It was Osho’s wish that his sannyasins take it to the marketplace because it is there that you will encounter challenges that will make you grow if you take them on.
You say: When I hear your conclusions about things and life they seem stuck.
To be on the receiving end of such a statement does nothing for me as an individual. You are speaking in generalisms. Why not take one of my conclussions and explain exactly what it is about it that is stuck? Unless you do that I won’t take you seriously as someone who has something worthwhile to communicate. It is up to you.
whats potentially disabling u see chetna
is the presumption or engagement of a prelinguistic collective sensibility that affords you the presumption of a collective identity,…festooned with approval, that guarantees you certain input for a whole series of undeclared investments that ride on the back of our ‘spirituality’ , which are either private or unconscious or both..
to be religious only requires us to be humane… not religious…
and love is not dependent on a progressively heightened sensitivity.. in meditation… only the dispersal of barren ones….in affective interaction..
what meditation u achieve is only received through love….not through practice or anti practice…
its simple
love is love and is a privilege of those who mutually affirm it in each other because they suspect it in themselves
love for our puposes feels like love and if it doesnt… it aint love….
in a barren world, one creates collective mutual agreements in religion to help one fulfil multiple human needs and affections. but when one does
…
you dont see the religion anymore…
just people
nothing obliges or prevents you….but formulas are formulas…..and should be seen as such… instead of salvation….which is the hook…
here endeth the lesson..
aaammennnnn
Satya Deva,
Formulate your question(s) once again, almost with judicial precision, and me, like a defendant or a witness, answer this with truth* and nothing else.
* truth is also a relative term. it also means with utmost sincerity what one believes.
Martyn, it is worker’s playtime and your last comment is a kracker, also very amusing. Great to have you around man, coz I likes a larf, especially a cosmic one. As everyone who knows knows the joke is on us. The world is turning.
Shantam, does that mean you are a believer?
Shantam Prem:
* truth is also a relative term. it also means with utmost sincerity what one believes.
SD:
If you have to believe something it ain’t the truth, SP. You either know the truth, or you don’t. No belief – that’s for fools, isn’t it?!
Shantam:
Satya Deva,
Formulate your question(s) once again, almost with judicial precision, and me, like a defendant or a witness, answer this with truth* and nothing else.
SD:
Hey – this goes back to before you went off stair-cleaning, a morning or two ago…You assured us you’d deal with the issues after you’d come back…
So how about using some of that “judicial precision” to go back and check it out yourself?!
(Bloody cheek! Who the hell does he think he is?!!?! Wonder what his answer to that one might be…).
SD:
My point, Shantam, is to ask in what ways you (think you) are living whatever truth you have received from Osho.
If it’s just sitting around wringing your hands (and writing here) about how bad things are in Poona and how much better they were 21 years or more ago, then you yourself are doing nothing except spout hot air…Just like any old fool out there, whatever might be the cause of his nostalgic discontent.
And are in danger of becoming a fossilised old “monument” yourself.
Thus replied Shantam-
It is really a work to go through old posts. writing spontaneously with heart on the sleeves is one thing, to dig through yesterday´s work is almost like writing thesis for Ph.D.
what ways you (think you) are living whatever truth you have received from Osho….
This is quite simple yet a broad situation. If i am answering this question in a Satsang, my memory will repeat Buddha´s story, heard from Osho.
Buddha says after the end of the sermon, ” Now you go and do your work.” Prostitute goes to find her customer, thief looks for an unprotected house, Bhikshu go for Medittaion.
My living the truth is to live and walk like everybody on the earth, No special aura, no special clothes..yet with a difference….
My soul does not tremble with the fear of hell and greed for heaven. neither i check my email account to see, whether existence has send me a Certificate Of Enlightenment, just like Nigerian scam, Mr. Singh..you have won the Swiss lottery of one million frankes..!
And if writing on a public platform with a single pointing vision about Osho Ashram and to annoy powerful lobby on the way is that simple, thousands of hands would have been on the Key boards of fearlessness expressions.
If we feel something is wrong, and don´t say it but swallow out of fear, fear of revenge and vengeance…i think it is a biggest letting down of Osho.
Speaking about a rebellious Master and chickening out oneself… i think my consciousness will kill me. I will fall in my own eyes…..
and living teaching is a day to day, moment to moment work. Just like Osho´s story about Buddha..where he makes a fly, fly…
What i have got from Osho is a self respect. If i go to heaven, it is because i paid for the entry ticket and not because of the compassion of someone like Buddha or Jesus, Nanak or Osho…
Though every single tear and laughter is dedicated to these great path breakers.
and yes..i have as many desires and wishes as any worldly men and can slap that son of Satsang giver…who preaches something else and live something else.
Shantam Prem:
And if writing on a public platform with a single pointing vision about Osho Ashram and to annoy powerful lobby on the way is that simple, thousands of hands would have been on the Key boards of fearlessness expressions.
SD:
Is it that it’s hard, or is it that it’s simply a waste of time and energy to go on and on and on, ad nauseam, repeating the same old – very quickly boring (and therefore ineffective) – story, to an audience of, well, rather few (if any) interested readers?
I do think you are enmeshed in delusions of grandeur, SP…Easy enough, alone at a keyboard, of course….
You’ve seemingly become a sort of automaton – very predictable, if not in your crazy, often incomprehensible metaphors, then certainly in your stance and tone.
I think it would do you some good to decide to forget about mentioning your favourite topic for a while (at least 3 weeks) and at least perhaps experience how addicted you’ve become to it all, to your self-chosen, self-proclaimed, ‘special role’…
But you won’t, of course – too stubborn, too much the robot, too addicted – too unintelligent, frankly….
Sorry – how dare I presume to know what would be good for you or for anyone else? Will have to pray for forgiveness later tonight…
Better put “might” instead of “would”….
Prem Martyn:
and his name doesnt fit…with his appearance.. i was expecting a jon bon jovi..
SD:
Cheers for bothering to bother, PM.
Btw, that’s his family name, from parents, PM, nothing artificially-created!
The man is actually rather shy and self-deprecating, a self-effacing type really, although very confident on stage (and a stunningly good live performer).
Melody and meaningful words are what he’s about
Elvis Costello recently commented that he (Ron S) “has sole access to the purest stream of melody since McCartney”, and it was Macca’s endorsement that first brought him to my attention, back in ’03.
(Just in case you’re anywhere near The Barbican on Saturday night, April 30!!)
There is no special role for me, SD.
See, i don´t call myself Father Shantam , the way a much younger woman than you, has become your mother…
I mean Your MM..
Mother Meera, born Kamala Reddy (born 26 December 1960) is believed by her devotees to be an embodiment (avatar) of the Divine Mother (Shakti).[1]
(from Wikkipedia page)
What do you say little boy, about this?
SD is pretty much on the money with you, Shantam. You have an audience of about a dozen on this blog and except for a couple of stupido twats I reckon everyone here agrees with SD. I mean to say get a life, man. You think it takes fearlessness to write all that shite you are writing…that is a bad joke and if you really believe that you are being fearless you are not really alive.
I suppose we all have our reasons for writing here. I enjoy it because I’m not writing just now (work) and it poses a small challenge for me to write here because some of the guys are damned funny and witty, and I don’t want to bore them. I live in the countryside and am currently working on a renovation in my home. I don’t smoke so when I take a break I check out a few sites and see what is going on, SN is one of them.
Tonight I am off to a party and therefore have a better alternative than sitting here writing my wee story. My wife is in Berlin so when the cats away…only joking. I am very blessed in having a great relationship with my wonderful woman on all levels I can imagine. Funny enough, we met outside the gates of Lao Tzu house in 1977.
Just received a message from Pune. Obviously some people still really dig it. Different strokes etc.
”Back in Pune, well what a great place, you must go and come back to realize the energy of this Osho buddha field fully!”
chetna,
i do love to get the old mind out and have a good philosophise about enlightenment
so here goes….
the “i believe in enlightenment” schtick doesn`t work.
have you tried the alternative?
long live the ego,noble vehicle created by millions of years of trial and error by existence for the best fairground ride in and around the universe……..
whilst remaining unenlightened,you might as well be really unenlightened…
when in rome,do as the romans….
why?
an “ego” that wants to be enlightened is a turkey voting for xmas!
an ego denying enlightenment would at least be honestly doing what “egos” do!
thus fulfilling its function better….
open letter to osho sannyasins who are leading satsangs ……..
In last 20 years since osho left his body , i have heard about 2000 osho sannysins have started to give private talks , satsangs.
i have news for them. Slowly slowly everone will find out the ego trip, power trip behind all those boaring satsangs…..
osho discourses are full of insight, juicy and real because osho lived each and every word he spoke…….that was his power ……….person with open heart will feel that .
These satsang givers allready find it in difficulty with old times who knows their reality ……..that is why they only approach to new comers to osho………
My point is that it is time for satsang givers to stop being between newcomers and osho ………
osho delivers something orignal , new and real to this insane world.
satsang givers are offering second handed and they do not live their talks.
Anugrah, what business is it of yours to say the above? I reckon you make it your business because you don’t have any real business of your own.
Not everyone feels the same way about Osho’s discourses. I can’t remember the last time I listened to a whole discourse. I actually find Osho’s discourses quite boring. Not as boring as you, though.
Also, my question was, esp seeing as this one’s very different to what he’s tended to do before, whether anyone might think it could be a commercial success, ie what used to be called ‘a hit’ (not of the ‘Zen’ sort)…
(Ok, I know it’s off-topic…But it is Fireworks Night after all….
Sorry – never saw the several posts above! That was fao Prem Martyn.
beloveds,
my feeling is,that i am tremendously grateful for open letters from authentic sannyasin seekers who share their vision and juicy sannyas cliches that enable me to feel osho`s energy whilst the unconscious masses commit global suicide in their insane world……
love…
swami X
Shantam Prem:
See, i don´t call myself Father Shantam , the way a much younger woman than you, has become your mother…
I mean Your MM..
Mother Meera, born Kamala Reddy (born 26 December 1960) is believed by her devotees to be an embodiment (avatar) of the Divine Mother (Shakti).[1]
(from Wikkipedia page)
What do you say little boy, about this?
SD: Hah, hah, is what I say, Shantam!
Firstly, because what you’re saying here is such utter balderdash (esp as you have not the remotest clue about my relation to MM).
Second, because such a stupid response would appear to betray that you might just be more than a little ‘rattled’ by what I’ve told you.
Wake up, man, I can hear you snoring from here!
Shantam Prem:
And if writing on a public platform with a single pointing vision about Osho Ashram and to annoy powerful lobby on the way is that simple, thousands of hands would have been on the Key boards of fearlessness expressions.
SD:
And you’re trying to tell us that you don’t think you have some ‘special role’?!!
You are really a joke, mate.
If i get Lokesh and SD kind of people as my disciples, i will treat it as a big failure.
This is also one of my reason to write continously, not to get befooled by the whiteman´s aura. Even my inoocent Master from a remote central Indian village could not penetrate their skulls.
Their cultivated mind cannot find whether the heart is near the left arm pit or below the balls.
YES..whitewomen are a differant case. They are sweet, sharp, witty and have a depth like the Nuns.
Mother Meera, born Kamala Reddy (born 26 December 1960) is believed by her devotees to be an embodiment (avatar) of the Divine Mother (Shakti).
SD, what so ever role you may have with this woman, whether you are her secret lover or whether you are her foot mate, is not my business.
Also i have no personal grudge against her.
Something is connected with deeper issues and principles.
have you ever dared to tell her or to the huggy Amma that it is a mental sickness to think oneself as Avatara in this age or rational behaivour?
If not, it will simply shows what kind of junkie and low self esteemed fool you are. Wwithout doubt, these low esteemed people have the sharpest ego.
In my heart i have more respect for a man who will not hesitate to kiss a woman with Aids, than a man who is not aboriginal, not poor and superstitious yet encourages such uneducated woman hallucinating as Durga or Kali or divine Mother.
I hope she does not know you with your Osho Sannyas name.
Anugrah, you should have little compassion for these Satsang givers and paid audience like Lokesh.
200 people have found their vocational apptitude, and they are playing their roles, as neo priests without affiliation to any particluar regulatory body.
Think about those belt and purse sellers before the Italian Churches selling Made in Italy, stamped in China Armani products for an Euro each.
Unorganised religion like unorganised trade gives equal opportunity to all.
Frank, your 7.25 PM comment is worth prescribing in GOLD.
it must be 24 carrot……
only the best for the donkeys at jackassnews…
eeyore
eeyore…
frank
you –you —you
never told me you had ……an
eg… an… eg… an
ego
FRAAAAANNKKKKKKKKKK
how could you after all these years…
thats awful you mean you.. that you .. er that you do..
uhm……
whats an ego frank?
its sounds like something we should all aspire to have… like er clean socks at the doctors…
is that what an ego is frank..? can you send me some here on sannyas nudes… as the other free gifts on this site like free unwanted advice and worship arent helping much……
everyone sing….that lovely 1940′s ditty
‘me and my ego …walking down the old kent road’
following a recent disturbance here on the front page forum , sunrise news is saddened to hear of the attempted ego death of several of its contributors.
our condolences go out to all members of their extended families
Frank ‘ the Ego ‘ ..I think therefore you are not
Chetna ‘ ..Cute Ego’ ..but it really is quite inexplicable how i got like that
Shantam ‘… I wish I had a decent Ego-ego
Bubbie’s … Im having an Ego out the back, in the yard, gimme a break schmuck.
Satya Deva… I left my Ego in San Francisco ( just after the riots there)
Lokesh……My Ego’s bigger than your Ego’s anytime pal even if it has disappeared a bit with age.
Neerav…….. Im busy building my ego with Lego
Osho………. I laughed till the bottle ran out of gas Ego
Arun…… Isnt it great to have an Ego in high places….
Martyn…Here wEgo again. say sannyassin one more time and i’ll meditate all over your Ego, you prolly pleb.
sincerely
The management
Frankie: “eeyore”= Bray, just to update your vocabulary… shall Shantam now be known as, Sw. Shantam Bray? Anyone second the nomination?
Martyn madness: Can your ego make room for a bottle of Irish Rose? Here’s to you(hic) pal. Where are the Irish when you need them to kick some Scottish tuches.
Hello everyone. Its been a while since I posted here. I am definitely not in the mood to read through all the posts here, so i hope nobody minds my jumping in mid stream.
I just thought i observe that many people fail to appreciate the significance of Osho’s revolution in the field of religion. After Osho religion will never be the same again. As word of osho’s vision travels and as more and more people become introduced to Osho’s ideas all the old religions are going to die. This is especially true in the west (as opposed to places where freedom of speech does not exist such as the middle east.) Comparing Osho’s revolution in values and thought to existing religions such as Christianity, I can confidently say that the death of Christianity is absolutely certain. It is doomed to die. And this time there is not going to be any sort of ressurection. The amount of conflict between western, modern values and Christianity is too much to be reconciled. And I don’t think the pope is going to be doing dynamic meditiation and wearing orange and a mala anytime soon, so we can say based on this, that Christianity is going to lose its hold over the western mind and ultimately disappear as western values and the values of the (historical. not to be confued with the mystical state of enlightenment) age of the enlightenment gain ground and as Osho’s vision and ideas spread. I would appreciate any thoughts on this. And i’ll try to pose more often.
Sorry, post, not pose more often. Lol.
I am not a big lover of freedom of speech because i have seen the dark side of it
for exmple freedom of speech in the hands of prem bubbie……….
Lokesh, Your reaction to my last post shows that your are narrow minded and support satsangs and feels un comfortable with osho and his discourses
well try to be cool and calm , that is when you will find osho discourses juicy …..try to devolop capacity , so osho can enter in you
I’m happy to burst your dust covered bubble, shahriar, but religion is still the same… the so called revolution of osho is just rehashed old news that people just don’t care to hear,or don’t have the ability to hear, thanks to genetic programing by the great cosmos a.k.a. Mother nature/Father sky…. Osho packaged it differently for the stubborn, dense modern man…. still 20 years have past since the old man died and it’s worse than ever… Sannyasins of this age packaging osho with a big twist of the ole’ time religion as in Nepal and India…. I think the time off you took, you spent it guzzling some good old Kentucky hooch(White Lighting), or just kept refilling your nitrous tank….. time for you to disappear again, Bro!!
Agony Auntie writes
A lot of people in the general population regularly ask me the universally accepted question which one usually hears often in most sannyassin circles.
That question is
How do you feel?
At this point a few people in some circumstances become confused and dispondent wondering if a vaccine is available at this time of year which can prevent yet more ‘growth’ or a rarer condition known as ‘seekers meditation’.
Recent research coming in from all over the place and published in medical journals both here there and everywhere confirms that this predicament or condition can be prevented from spreading by confusing the assailing question with a tested vaccine containing a variety of replies including
‘With my fingers’
‘ Autonomically, as a result of a parasympathetic nervous system’
‘Whenever I get the chance’
‘under a responsibilty to answer’
* Medically this question should not be administered to children without supervision of a professionally qualified seeker.
Heil Anugrah, mein fuhrer!!! Lesson #1 for Anugrah– In reality there is a light side and a dark side…. Lesson #2- if you don’t like it -fuck off!!! or perform a lobotomy on yourself and become a zombie…. I noticed you’ve perfected the backwards goose step…. any relation to wacko jacko?
Shahriar — the first one was correct- “pose”. posing as an intelligent, practical, meditative person…. now you just run along now; we’ll call you when we need you.
“The day that you can love the whole without in any way asking for anything in return you will have known what prayer is and you will have known what worship is and you will have known the most fundamental secret of life, because you will be showered with a thousand and one blessings. The whole universe will start pouri…ng its love energy over you. And that is the moment we have been seeking and searching for for lives together, but missing for the simple reason that we never create the right space for it to happen. Sannyas has to become the right space for love to happen.”
OSHO…..
Anugrah, you are so deep. Even deeper that Shantam, who seems to be turning into a racist these days. Shahriar, Islam is getting bigger by the moment and I doubt most Muslims have heard of Osho, let alone his vision, which nobody has managed to describe on SN in any coherant form. Perhaps you could be so kind as to describe Osho’s vision for us unenlightened ones at SN. Martyn, your ego list was great. Bubbie keep bubbing.
Prem bubbie, your post shows that you seem to be cynical. Ideas take time to spread. Nothing happens overnight.
As far as Islam is concerned, a war like world war 2 is needed to destroy the ideology of Islamic totalitarianism. (which is what some people call it.) Starting with a world war 2-like war declared on Iran and Saudi Arabia. (and other targets.) I think Osho has a discourse on Krishna talking about how Krishna would choose the side of freedom if he were here today. (Meaning America and Israel.)
I will give it a try Lokesh. The first fundamental idea is that consciousness is not a by-product of matter. This immediately puts Osho in a different category than materialists like Karl Marx, but it does nothing to differentiate him from people like the Pope who also believe this. The second fundamental idea is that there is no confict between this world and that. “Samsara is Nirvana” as the Zen masters say, or that there is no conflict between the beast and the divine as the Tantrics (right spelling?) would say. Therefore it is Osho’s view that the west has developed technologies of the outer and the east (not geographical areas.) has developed technologies of the inner. Spiritual materialism or materialist spirituality. Next he integrates the knowledge of the 21st century with mystisism as can be seen by the fact that he quotes freely from such people as wilhelm reich etc. etc. etc. He is also a psychologist, and he has developed a number of theraputic practices which are also a doorway into spirituality which he collectively calls meditation. A process of entering into the state of No-mind and Egolessness. He also works to deconstruct the existing religions, hammering out of peoples heads such ideas as celibacy, guilt etc. etc. etc. This revolution which he is bringing is what he calls working towards the birth of the new man as opposed to the old man. This is what comes to my mind off the top of my head.
And to Anugrah who said that he or she is not a big lover of freedom of speech. I would simply that Osho spent his whole life fighting for freedom of speech and you have given up on the values which he held. His whole, life this beloved man fought for freedom of speech, and here you are saying that you are not a big lover of freedom of speech. You might as well say that you are not a big lover of life, and love and freedom as well. Freedom of speech has no darker side Anugrah.
Also he is for abortion and condoms, against prayer in public schools, for the theory of evolution as opposed to creationism. I thought this should be included in the list of what ideas he is trying to hammer out of people’s heads.
Shahriar:
As far as Islam is concerned, a war like world war 2 is needed to destroy the ideology of Islamic totalitarianism. (which is what some people call it.) Starting with a world war 2-like war declared on Iran and Saudi Arabia. (and other targets.) I think Osho has a discourse on Krishna talking about how Krishna would choose the side of freedom if he were here today. (Meaning America and Israel.)
SD:
Oh dearie me!
So, Shahriar, would you yourself be fully prepared to die – and/or (of course) see all of your friends and family die as a consequence of such a war?
How about also many thousands of those ‘good people’ who also share this ‘great vision’? See them slaughtered as well, perhaps?
Not forgetting the myriads of innocent ones in your so carefully-selected target countries?
Alternatively, should ‘life go on’ in relatively unscathed areas – including (but of course) your own land – how about decades of bloody retribution exacted by considerable numbers of ‘enemies within’, thirsting for revenge and absolutely willing to die for it?
I suggest, sir, you take a good, long while to THINK befotre you come out with such fucking bullshine.
anugrah:
I am not a big lover of freedom of speech because i have seen the dark side of it
SD:
Maybe you should get together with Shahriar here and form a “Fundamentalist Sannyas Party’ (you already have a uniform after all)…
If you ever get fed up with quoting Osho, there’s always ‘Mein Kampf’…
Can’t you see the ‘Golden Future’ that awaits…A wonderful New Age – with you and him, right there, taking the salute, at ‘Drive By’ time…?
anugrah:
Lokesh, Your reaction to my last post shows that your are narrow minded and support satsangs and feels un comfortable with osho and his discourses
well try to be cool and calm , that is when you will find osho discourses juicy …..try to devolop capacity , so osho can enter in you
SD:
Spoken by a true, narrow-minded, self-righteously bigoted, crypto-sannyasin twat!
If you hit them hard enough, they will not seek revenge. Machiavelli says “men can avenge themselves for small injuries but cannot do so for great ones.” As as far as the loss of lives on our side is concerned, it will be a small price to pay for the greater good that will be acheived. I am not in the military, but if I was I would be expected to answer the call of duty and to lay down my life in the defense of my country.
I do not care about the death of innocents in the enemy territory. War should be waged as it was during world war 2 where as I remember neither side cared about the death of innocents. Neither should we care today. We do not differentiate between civilian and military personel. In times of war there is no difference between military and civilian personel. All are considered soldiers in times of war. The idea which best expresses this is total consciption. That is what we preach and what we propose. Read about technocracy if you want to know what total conscription is.
By the way Satya, I was ROFL reading your post. (and not in a sarcastic way.) I love the sense of humour found in the sannyas community.
Shahriar,
It is always nice to have you at sannyasnews.
Many people in the world are thinking something drastic and dramatic will happen in 2012 to change the diagram of human civilisation.
Once in rajneeshpuram, small booklet called Rajneeshmism was published to prove Sannyas as a religion so that Bhagwan of that time could get residence permission being the head of a religion.
Enlightened people play crooked and win the game, because divinity protects them. But that was all in the stories. Krishna played crooked and made His side won the epic war of Mahabharta.
Resurrection happens in stories but with Osho, long arm of the law simply destroyed the pyramid built on sand storm.
In that book , taking Nostradamus as base, it was mentioned, world will go through tremendous changes between 1984-1999, Los angels, New York, Bombay kind of cites will simply disappear in the high tidal waves.
Rest will die out of Aids and so on.
Nothing that sort happened. To turn an enlighented Master as a Prophet, as a future teller with vision simply fall flat.
World is still surviving, Osho movement is living on the periphery of the civilisation. Any way, Osho asked to burn that book and a new religion, the shortest surviving religion breath its last…
SO now about 2012. Most of the spiritualist people feel tired with the high waves of consumer society. Surely, it is making the heart and soul shrink. The bubble must burst to bring something new.
So i hope, Iran´s nuclear programme comes very close to success. It will give the right reason to Israel to make a preemtpive strike..and so will begin the first world war of 24X7 TV age.
Other than this possibilty, things will go on the way they are.
Out of this Chaos, may be some new paradigm will come on the force.
People like Martyn and Bubbie can already prepare their Anti War placards.
By the way Shantam, some people think Osho exists on the sidelines. Which is not true. Sannyasins are working to spread his ideas and his vision of the new man and the golden future that awaits. It will just take time and effort, but as more and more people become aware of Osho and his ideas, they will start spreading like wildfire, which in sense it is and has been doing so.
As far as being tired of the consumer society is concerned, there is nothing wrong with consumerism, I’m for consumerism. Spirituality is also a consumer good, just look at Osho. If he had wanted his religion not to be consumer/market-oriented type religion he would not have changed his name to Osho but would have kept it Acharya Rajneesh or Bhagwan shree rajneesh. He wanted it to turn into a consumer/market-oriented spirituality. Only the people who have no money to spend get tired of consumerism.
Iran developing nuclear weapons sounds like a death- wish. Let’s hope the America doesn’t allow them to get that far. Otherwise history will read, America, the mighiest military power in history was defeated by primitive, half-savages. (Full savages in my opinion.)
Shantam Prem:
have you ever dared to tell her or to the huggy Amma that it is a mental sickness to think oneself as Avatara in this age or rational behaivour?
If not, it will simply shows what kind of junkie and low self esteemed fool you are. Wwithout doubt, these low esteemed people have the sharpest ego.
In my heart i have more respect for a man who will not hesitate to kiss a woman with Aids, than a man who is not aboriginal, not poor and superstitious yet encourages such uneducated woman hallucinating as Durga or Kali or divine Mother.
I hope she does not know you with your Osho Sannyas name.
SD:
More complete bilge, Shantam.
You daily provide an excellent demonstration of how complete and utter ignorance likes to find and criticise that of which it has zero experience and about which it actually knows less than nothing.
And I’m referring to your concept of and ideas about me, btw.
As for Amma and Meera, they seem more than enough unto themselves, they don’t need my or anyone else’s half-baked ‘opinion’ to make themselves ‘ok’.
Certainly not a complete fool such as you, Shantam, who makes a virtual ‘career’ at this obscure place by spouting nonsense about people of whom you have not the slightest experience.
You are simply another utterly misguided nincompoop!
You and the other two, Anugrah and Shahriar, complement each other nicely…
You should perhaps form a trio: ‘The Three Twats’…
I for one can attest to the fact that many Iranian youth are attracted to and are reading his ideas. I’m sure this is happening in other places to. By the way, I think iranian youth might be more attracted to Osho than let’s say youth in america (debatable) because in Iran the rebellious youth are more discontent with Islam (although not with sufism.) than the american youth, at least in my opinion, (and only currently, not during the hippie era.) are with christianity. Although I’, sure people in America are also looking towards spirituality. An analogy to illustrate the difference, which Osho also used in a different context, is that iranian youth have been wandering in a desert and hence are thirsty for water (due to the nature of Islamic religion as opposed to today’s christianity, although I’m sure there was a time in the west when people were as discontent with christianity as they are with Islam. When for instance, Nietzche said God is dead and Bertrand Russell wrote his book Why I am not a Christian.), while american youth not so much.
have you ever dared to tell her or to the huggy Amma that it is a mental sickness to think oneself as Avatara in this age or rational behaivour?
If not, it will simply shows what kind of junkie and low self esteemed fool you are. Wwithout doubt, these low esteemed people have the sharpest ego.
In my heart i have more respect for a man who will not hesitate to kiss a woman with Aids, than a man who is not aboriginal, not poor and superstitious yet encourages such uneducated woman hallucinating as Durga or Kali or divine Mother.
While I agree about the part having to do with rational behavior and the foolishness of declaring oneself an Avatara, Satya you must be insane to respect a man who is willing to kiss a woman with aids. Have you read Osho? Do you know how much he emphasized the fact that people with Hiv/Aids should be quarantined? Do you know that HIv/Aids tests were mandatory in his commune?
Iran has passed the barrier of wishful thinking to the reality level.
First Islamic nation, soory Shia state closer to the nuclear energy. Predominantely Sunnis in the world are getting red with jealousy.
Israel has already done its home work with bunker burster bombs…
Obama, the ray of hope is getting dim and dim by the white supermist Sarah Palin…
We are living in a very interesting time of breaking news….
Shahriar, you seem to have misunderstood my point about consequences, ie that any such ‘war’ would inevitably provoke not so much a dawning of a great ‘New Golden Age’ of ‘Osho-inspired spiritual wisdom’, but rather an ever greater intensity of chronic violence, terrorist attack and interminable civil war, on a global scale.
And there ain’t a lot of ‘love, life, laughter’ in that scenario – unless you’re the type who might enjoy that sort of thing, of course…
If you believe otherwise, you are surely sadly deluded, breathtakingly naive, you simply have no clue about what’s going on in the world, at every level.
Amma.org
The life, teachings and charitable work of this Hindu religious leader. Includes a list of books and videos.
http://www.ammachi.org/
People who have gone tired from their parental religion and have the liberty to chose their path, and speak passionately against organised religions, feel like hungry starving children with empty milk bottles in the hand before the HINDU RELIGIOUS LEADERS.
who knows these are the tradional Indian souls born as White Christians. After all, where these Asian migrants will get their next door womb.
Shahriar:
While I agree about the part having to do with rational behavior and the foolishness of declaring oneself an Avatara, Satya you must be insane to respect a man who is willing to kiss a woman with aids. Have you read Osho? Do you know how much he emphasized the fact that people with Hiv/Aids should be quarantined? Do you know that HIv/Aids tests were mandatory in his commune?
SD:
KIndly redirect your remarks to the person who made them, Shahriar, ie Shantam Prem!!
And Shantam, I suggest you show who said what when you quote others.
My God, being confused with Shantam – what have I ever done to deserve that?!!
And Shantam:
As Lokesh has pointed out, you’re not only doing a passable imitation of a racist twat, you seem to be becoming one these days.
Right, I’ve had enough of these fools, I’m off.
Avatar is a Sanskrit word that means “an incarnation of God”. This is distinguished from the ‘reincarnation of a human soul”. It is a choice by the Divine Mother/Father to take human form and to walk amongst humanity at a time of need…
Avatar is India´s export quality product. Most of the one man, one woman Avatara industries are based in South India.
It seems when God shaves his beard, the winds take the hair to South India. As most of these Avataras are born in the pooor familes, one can deduct, parently coupling was happening in the open air, God´s hair started tickeling on the right places….
and thus born the world saviour Ammas!!
One big problem I can see with Amma is that she is not what Osho wanted a woman to be. She is the type of woman who remains silent, still and unmoving while making love. She is too much concerned with being “pure”. As opposed to Osho’s sannyasins who were very life-affirming and celebrated their sexuality. As Marliyn Monroe said “We are all born sexual creatures,thank God, but it’s a pity so many people despise and crush this natural gift.”
Satya, if we can hit them hard enough, they would be crushed not only in body but in spirit. But, this war would require that we kill at least 300 million muslims or more. 500 million muslims killed would be even better. 800 million would be fantastic, and baby if you can get all 1 billion muslims you are the krishna of the age.
My God, being confused with Shantam – what have I ever done to deserve that?!!
Very Good Satya Deva.. This deserves a spontaneous smile.
Be sure, your identity, reality and work will always be protected under unwritten copyright acts.
Great stuff. I’ll have something to say about all this, but unfortunately worldly duties call right now.
Shahriar, thanks for ehm…sharing…your interpretation of Osho’s vision. I’ll comment later.
what is ever so surprising-so called Osho sannyasins are actually against Osho!
Shahriar, thanks for ehm…sharing…your interpretation of Osho’s vision. I’ll comment later.
lol. : )
SHahriar,
tell me truthfully, were you born as Iranian Muslim or you are exiled Christain?
In case of former, i think you have taken much steps away from your childhood conditioning.
That seems to be the case Shantam. What did you mean exhiled Christian. (Sry, I know you’re just supposed to “get” these things and not ask for explanations.)
By the way I thought of an interesting use for Gurdjieff’s “man is food for the moon” idea. It can be used to scare children. Example: “If you don’t do your dynamic meditation, the moon will eat your soul!”
Merry Christmas! (Or at least very early christmas, even though its still nowhere near christmas.)
“Dashing through the snow
In a one horse open sleigh
O’er the fields we go
Laughing all the way
Bells on bob tails ring
Making spirits bright
What fun it is to laugh and sing
A sleighing song tonight
Oh, jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
Oh, what fun it is to ride
In a one horse open sleigh
Jingle bells, jingle bells
Jingle all the way
Oh, what fun it is to ride
In a one horse open sleigh…”
Excited already for the holiday season it seems.
chetna….great to have u back .. men here are waving their penises around and shouting war war…
do something… meditate.. or something
shantam isnt….he’s shrunk off to the toilets…
hey
mr khan shows us your leadership skills… we need you to rally the bollox around the penises…
fuzzy wuzzies of the empire are revolting again
best put pig lard up their muskets…that way they cant touch their rifles…
i say shants you got any of that Osho pig lard in your kitchen… u know the one you use on your dick for satisying your sexual repression-
heyMr Khan you are not a working class resentful immigrant pleb trying to better yourself in the west are you….dont tell me you are a brain surgeon….
thats pig brain
anugrah:
I am not a big lover of freedom of speech because i have seen the dark side of it
SD:
Anugrah, this place was founded upon the very freedom you affect to despise.
By this sentence you have just disqualified yourself from ever being taken seriously here.
Congratulations.
Something tells me this Shahriar character can’t possibly be for real…
No one, surely, even among the idiotic ones who come and post here, can be that monumentally, ignorantly stupid?!!
Satya Deva, i wish to write as a classification, It is not being racist but racism plays a important role in our life.
What to say about human beings, even rice and wheat have different varieties, they have their own timings own water and fertilisation needs.
You can check in super markets, how many kind of apples and potatoes are on the shelf, distinctively different taste and price range.
Osho was addressing to the world audience, but does every individual will give the similar interpretation.
But it is also a historical fact, humility and vulnerability are not the traits of few races who are always on the front line of scientific discoveries and inventions.
It makes me amazed how the people of most extrovert race are trying to be in the leadership position in the sphere of introversion.
No wonder, all the spiritual organisations created by Indian masters have taken a strong beating wherever Western predomination has played the role.
Be it Aurbindo ahsram in Pondichary, Mehar Baba´s work at Ahmednegar, Osho´s ashram in Pune…
The white management with their aggressive marketing blitz has alienated not just the native disciples, even there own countrymen look at their effort with suspicion and doubt.
Have you ever thought Why you and Lokesh, why Shantam and Anugrah think on the similar lines. why one group treats the other with contempt. Is it not the case of clash between different civilisations?
Have you ever thought, how far sightidly, Osho created a colorful group of 20 people from differant countries to take care of His work. Indians were 25% in this group.
ANd just in 10 years, Anglo Saxon group has put everybody aside and got hold of the whole thing through divide and rule, the policy which has almost become part of British DNA.
we are sorry for invading the world..
but it was either us or the french or the germans or the turks or the chinese or the russians…
but sorry
now please shut up
Shantam, you ask. Is it not the case of clash between different civilisations?
That clash you are hearing has nothing to do with civilizations and everything to do with the trash cans richocheting off the walls inside your head.
When you write like this, the way you write Lokesh, it gives a temptation to say, “your Gold is not Gold, man. only a Gold coated silver.
Only solace you can have is, life is not putting this goldy spiritualty on the fire test..
For that you need a oven like Osho….
Start listening and medittating over the sayings of your ex. Master.
(this is a sincere suggestion)
Matyn, you were in Pune till Osho´s last days and from the early years..
Are you saying sorry on behalf of Amrito and Jayesh too, for being taking the postion of only spokes person of Osho on the ground zero level, and alinated another vast percentage of non beleivers in their Osho interpretation.
shantam .. its an old zen technique…
i’ll apologise for anything… as long as you shut up…
zen via guantanamo…those other ‘orange clad sitting in stillness with blindfolds’ religious seekers who can never be safely released into the community …a bit like sannyassins really…
yes
sorry
stiill the doc is a vegetarian i think…. in which case i would have to seriously reconsider who to apologise to… you or him…
if you go veg… i’ll even say i have been wrong about you and that you are a grand boon to the world of osho….
a big sannyasi ‘baba’ boon… making monkeys out of all of us…
so will you go veg? for a while …. a long time…longer than a sandwich?
No need to aplogize to prem martyn for taking over the world. They (present company excepted.) are sore losers. You should feel proud of your achievements.
Satya Deva, I was serious about everything up to and including the Gurdjieff joke. After that it was early in the morning and I had stayed awake all night so that might have had something to do with why I wrote such a thing.
Btw, as far as Amrito and Jayesh are concerned. Amrito and Jayesh are not preventing anyone from speaking about their interpretation of Osho and his vision and they certainly are not the only spokesperson for Osho’s work. Maneesha james, and Veereesh and many other psychologists and therapists. Obviously someone has to manage the resort in Pune, and they have not legally commited any crimes. It is not like they have forced Maneesha and the other inner circle members with threats and the things that Sheela was doing. And as far as I am aware Maneesha and Veereesh have not in any way spoken about such things taking place, and they seem to approve of Amrito and Jayesh’s work. (At least up front, behind the scenes they may have their differences, but that is a different thing entirely.)
Shantam you advise, Start listening and medittating over the sayings of your ex. Master.
What you mean like this?
The real man of intelligence will not cling to any ideology — for what? He will not carry a load of readymade answers. He knows that he has enough intelligence so that whatever situation arises, he will be able to respond to it. Why carry an unnecessary load from the past? What is the point of carrying it? OSHO
Or this perhaps?
My sannyas is not a character that will confine you. My sannyas is an awareness that will give you more and more freedom. And if one day you feel that my sannyas is making a prison for you, then drop out of it — that will be the true sannyas spirit. But never allow it to become an imprisonment. OSHO
Or then again:
Each individual’s way is going to be different. Never follow anybody. That is the greatest calamity that can happen to a man. Once you start following somebody else, you become a carbon copy. You become an imitation. OSHO
So, Shantam, off you go back to your sheep pen. Baaaah Bah!
Lokesh,
What you and other people are doing is a common habit, buying from the butcher shop, a particular piece of meat. In the super markets too, one simple chicken is served in five different kind of packaging.
Quotations are like chicken wings, one can chose plain or paprika taste, with curry or Thai spices.
Osho has mentioned quite often about this cut and paste of His words to suit particular occasion.
So much so.. He was clear to publish His discourses in its entirely….
So don´t try to be smart by bringing few quotations. Take your time. Spend 90 minutes from your precious time and listen a complete discourse..Watch the effect and than write.
On the other side, Sannyas had always a exit door. No need of any excuse, just walk out. But than walk out means walk out..
One does not leave a suit case behind after the divorce…pack your things and go…
You come across like a very conceited man. What’s up Shantam, your feathers getting ruffled? Or should I say your wool?
I attended over a thousand discourses when Osho was alive and enjoyed every one of them. I don’t need to spend 90 minutes listening to tapes or watching videos of Osho, because they do not inspire me. For me Osho’s words were always of a secondary importance. Anyway, you obviously think listening and watching Osho discourses is the bees knees, But it obviously is not helping alleviate your confused state of mind. Baaaaah! Bleat! There’s a good sheep.
Shahriar,
i appreciate your study..The study of different travel guides. Without traveling an inch, you are quite capable of writing one more, and beleive me it will be even better than the people who have travelled for decades with Osho.
Without the presence of a master and His throbbing Ashram, where one meets people ahead and people behind, it is going to be the biggest challenge for the seekers to find out what is a truth from with in and what is the photo shop imprint.
To give a simple example, look at few pornographic sites. Body and mind will react in the similar manner as if a beloved has touched you..
And yes..next day…one can say.. i am in love..Is it really an experience of love though every one in the field know, solitary enjoyment can be more intense than the real one..And sex..is just one of the feeling in the prism of life. Writing a scholarly article about jealousy is one thing, seeing one´s beloved in the arms of someone else..*
Buying the petrol from the gas station and to dig one´s own well are too different dimensions. I hope.. this you will keep in mind…
If books were the right tool to make an angel out of a man, earth should have been already the paradise, even to make the creator, ENVIOUS.
To illustrate your confusion, Shantam, we have this posting of yours from earlier today, an Osho quote, which you obviously felt was needed to make a point..
“The day that you can love the whole without in any way asking for anything in return you will have known what prayer is and you will have known what worship is and you will have known the most fundamental secret of life, because you will be showered with a thousand and one blessings. The whole universe will start pouri…ng its love energy over you. And that is the moment we have been seeking and searching for for lives together, but missing for the simple reason that we never create the right space for it to happen. Sannyas has to become the right space for love to happen.”
I wonder how you manage to integrate that into your racist mentallity but anyway that is not my point. My point is that now you say: Osho has mentioned quite often about this cut and paste of His words to suit particular occasion.
Tell me, are there a lot of incidences of schizophrenia in your family? I suggest you seek out a psychiatrist to help you wiyh this.
Forgive me Lokesh to be blunt, your kind of people who were sitting in deep intimacy with Osho, at hundreds of discourses during Pune one show only one thing… even to be with a living master has no guarantee of inner upliftment…
but yes..idea and thought of growth definitely sticks with the portfolio..
Placebo effect…
If it was a reality, there was no need to go to somehwere else, specially to Lucknow..
If it was a reality, the same old discourses would have made you shiver with gratitude..
But it is my observation…only through your writings. Who knows..in reality you are the rare seeker of our time, who is a finder too.
Even a regular customer of a company does not become a share holder. To be a share holder, one need to take a risk, investment can go southward in the next days…
Shantam, your advice to and I quote: look at few pornographic sites. …once again illustrates the repressed nature of your psyche in regards sex. If you have a healthy sex life there is no need to look at pornography. Perhaps it is time for you to take the plunge and start getting into the real thing….you naughty ram—-baaaaaah!
Almost in all of the cases, when i post a quotation, there is no commantry. Just a quotation like a flower, but not the idea to prove this is the only flower of the season.
and if i find the contradictory quotation, i will definately add too.
The completion, the roundness; Middle path has left and right both..
Your above post shows, how fickle minded you are.
Even the pornographic content you have taken out of context.
The mail addressed to Shahriar is not even five, ten twenty years old, just half an hour ago….
Any one who will read this in the totality will see, what i want to convey to this younger enthusastic chap.
And wonder is i have chosen three different metaphors to describe the context.
Does the petrol pump metaphor means, i am applying for the franchise of BP?
Look, Shantam, you are back peddling. You are hung up on sex and everyone on this site knows it. Maybe if you lost some weight it might help you meet a woman but in the meantime I suggest that you use the services of a hooker. At least that way you will get that load off of your mind so that you can return to helping promote Osho’s vision.
ROFL= a lazy man’s guide to conversing. You go to all the trouble of bubble wrapping your ideas, then you do the “in” thing and use a tweeting acronym. How bizarre is that?
Shahriar: shantam, while experiencing love with one’s beloved is not the same as pornography, I would not disparage pornography for this. Pornography is an art form, just like any other field of art. Just thought I mention this.
Shantam: If books were the right tool to make an angel out of a man, earth should have been already the paradise, even to make the creator, ENVIOUS.
Shahriar: Shantam, the standard of living is increasing everyday. 400 years ago 9 out of 10 children used to die. Today 1 out of 10 or even less perhaps die. In the past the church ruled everyone. Today we have a republic. (at least we should have.) There is birthcontrol, abortion, people are in everyway more affluent. So I would disagree with your statement. The standard of living of today is enough to make the kings of those days envious.
One does not need a judicious mind to find out how many clicks, porn sites get per hour, per minute, per second.
Than one has to add also the purchased porn collection, and its contribution to the American economy.
I remember also one famous saying, ” 99% people have done self gratification act in their life, 1% who has not done, are lying.”
To use Cliche is very convinient. To look into the depth of the psychology needs time and moreover an openness.
People who watch pornographic sites are sexually supressed is as simple as to say, people who open guru sites are spiritualy evoloved.”
People who buy the magazines from the upper shelves are primitive, people who buy from the middle are having higher IQ.
So simple a life?
it must be a reality show!
I agree with Lokesh’s statement. Pornography is fulfilling a need, perhaps for those who don’t have a girlfriend or for some other reason. So I would not say that auto-erotic activities, and things which are meant to aid such activities are wrong, evil, etc. etc. etc. There is nothing wrong with pornography and using it as an aid in auto-erotic activities.
Shantam: I remember also one famous saying, ” 99% people have done self gratification act in their life, 1% who has not done, are lying.”
Shahriar: Shantam, to gratify oneself is not wrong. To pursure one’s happiness is not wrong. Osho himself many times spoke against the creed of self-sacrifice and urged his disciples to pursure their own happiness and ecstacy. Would you rather we become like mother theresa or the monks in the monastaries instead of pursuing our own happiness Shantam?
Shantam seems to have gone to the theosophists side… they were racists big time…. hail shantam!!!!
Shantam you seem to have a hatred for the material life, even though it was Osho himself who preached spiritual materialism or materialist spiritualism. Your whole post has hatred directed against capitalism and business and the profit-motive as if to seek profit and material wealth is somehow evil.
Yes, Shahriar, you are of course right in your comments about pornography. The thing is, any chance Shantam gets he is on about sex, quite crude, milking cows, four titties etc. He doesn’t realize how obvious his problem is to others or he would curtail his outbursts due to embarassment. I just think it would be a good idea for him to head down to the red light district, see something he fancies and go and get fucked. maybe it is a money thing. I’m willing to donate if the hat goes round.
shariar: wasn’t “taking oneself lightly” Osho’s best advice and main point of his vision? Also, taking a joke can be included. Neither one of which you seem to follow or have learned in your life… My past experiences with Iranians, both non sannyasins and sannyasins, is, they are for the most part uptight and super serious… more so than the fucking germans… Can you please explain why you seem to be so uptight and without playfulness? give it some effort, even once in a while, that’ll be a start…. the insane shit you posted with regard to war, killing, etc. is just that.. insane… you leave the rest of the numb skulls behind… i’ll gladly purchase a one-way ticket for you back to Tehran, it’ll seem like old times i bet.
To defend oneself against those who would seek to do you harm is not insane prem bubbie.
And I am not lacking in playfulness either.
“Seeking profit and material wealth is somewhat evil”… You, shahriar are one dumb fucker…. Blind as a bat… greed is taking a path away from wholeness, oneness, greed is a sea of madness, a vicious head trip… but from your pro-war, murder on a mass scale stance– no surprises….. I just replaced my bullseye poster from Shantam to Shahriar…. happy hunting(my Shahriar-ness is coming through)
murdering innocents is not defending oneself from those who are doing you harm–BOZO
Look, this is serious. I think we should club together and buy Shantam one of those blow up sex dolls. They are quite realistic these days and being an Indian Shantam probably won’t notice the difference and will think it is the real thing. Which only goes to show that a good illusion can be off great help to those in need.
Okay Bubbie, you work on Shahriar and I’ll stick with Shantam.
Do you think by doing this we will be fulfilling Osho’s vision?
Halloween is over now Shahriar- you can put away you Persian Immortals costume, along with your sword– you may feel naked without them but having your weenie flap around side to might just do you some good…. watch out for the cold spells.
You’re a dove shantam and I am a hawk. I would also remind of Krishna’s war, the Mahabharat. You don’t know anything about how war is waged. Look at world war 2. In war you do not differentiate between civilian and military personell. In times of war everyone is considered military personell. Hence I mentioned the idea of total conscription.
Sorry, not shantam, prem bubbie! I keep confusing shantam with someone. lol.
Lokesh, no, just helping the mentally imbalanced swing back down to earth. Say, I’ll chip in with the “Help Shantam Get Laid” fund, how can we make sure he doesn’t spend it on some Indian hooch(Sterno)? It’ll be tough to find a disease free chick for him, any of you girls here wanna help a swami in need bust a nut?
shantam its none of your business
none of your affairs
none of your interest
…
what sannyas is or isnt to someone else
end of story
and u know that perfectly well
its only your affair if you want to live with / in anothers reality
or you want to fuck them
none of which anyone here is offering
and u can have the last word on this in any way u want…
thats anarchy for you..
enjoy
Lokesh, your work on this schizo Shantam is very much welcome, it is your way to say, Hola Osho!
My Indian sannyas will never think to work on my fellow travelers, so i will simply stick with the idea of Sharing.
Sharing the vision of Osho…
The way orphans share their life in an Orphanage with responsibility and care, no need for any artificial mama or daddy in the form of mangers, directors, social workers or priestless priests…
And sorry..if somewhere my words have hit under the belt..
Shahriar, when you get back to Tehran, send all of the women over here- to the states…. some luscious ladies there. You’ve got all the goats you need there any way.. You and the mullahs break dancing together would be a hellava sight… swords and whips flying around…. oh, I forgot the chains.
Satya Deva wrote………….
Anugrah, this place was founded upon the very freedom you affect to despise.
By this sentence you have just disqualified yourself from ever being taken seriously here.
Congratulations.
who cares about Disqualification . i write my post out of joy if someone take or leave it is their joy ………..
this website is not for me and you to take each other seriously .
Only person we should take it seriously and at the same time with joy here is osho ……..
Satya deva, stop condemning others and pay attention to osho’s gifts to us……you will be always missing osho if you continue to attack others sannyasins. show some creativity and some humble ness next time.
and be aware of humble ego………..
take care and try to enjoy moment to moment
I was only joking.
shahriar wrote earlier,
Sorry, not shantam, prem bubbie! I keep confusing shantam with someone. lol.
shahriar , u need to make sure who do have in mind because often you write as if you are drunk and can not figure out what you want to write.
next time it will be nice if you look back what you wrote , it will help you certainly to be more creative……..
person who pretends to be confused is cunning…………no need to take anything personally here on this site ……..it is non profitable website to share gossips and share wisdom , if you have some…………………..
lokesh, I doubted if you were joking ………any way
admitting own faults and mistakes always help oneself
take good care
much love
You doubt if I was joking about what exactly, Anugrah?
anugrah:
Satya Deva wrote………….
Anugrah, this place was founded upon the very freedom you affect to despise.
By this sentence you have just disqualified yourself from ever being taken seriously here.
Congratulations.
Anugrah:
who cares about Disqualification . i write my post out of joy if someone take or leave it is their joy ………..
SD:
Thanks for being a living example of sanctimonious hypocrisy, Anugrah.
Gawd save us all from such wannabe pseudo-priestly tossers!
i was just browsing the gazillions of osho linked websites last night…..
its a form of Porno… you know getting to look at how much better a time someone else is having with more … more intelligence .. more friends… more open hearted connection… more relaxation….more no mind…. more good vibes……
and there are all these lovely white or indian people…. strong handsome men …indomitable self assured women….many of whom i have known …
and their personalities…
lots of expensive villas in serene nature you know….
and one thing struck me…is how every single event or group was an excuse to pay someone else to have a good time and be human…
the group events could be retitled.
me 1…. meeting other people who breathe
me 2…. meeting other singles who are alone
me 3…..meeting other couples/ people for sex
me4…..meeting other people for a massage
me5….meeting other people with a bigger ego than mine and more ambition
me6…. meeting other people for music then sex
me7….being too old and needing company before i die… no sex
me8…. sitting on an uncomfortable seat for extended periods.. and making a big noise about it….afterwards
me 9… working for someone else in a countryside retreat cos i dont get out much
me10 ….getting more of a shiny ego by learning new tricks….which i then sell on ..ad infinitum
why is it all so packaged… is human life really that desperate..?
me me me me me me me me me me me
(sold as the universe …in..little expensive bits …..by them…)
Like it, Martyn, like it! Well-deserved satire indeed…
PS: Nice one the other day re ‘egos’ as well.
PS: The ’68 riots were in Chicago, not SF.
I’ve concluded that Shahriar ‘can NOT be serious’.
But if he is for real and not a wind-up artist then he most definitely needs to be one of the first in line for extermination.
Anyway, on current evidence he’d almost certainly enjoy it…
He and Anugrah together, they’d hardly be missed, after all…
Any volunteers for the job?!
that`s it,martyn,someone is always getting more than you.
be it sex,holidays,villas in the sun,kicks,licks,thrills,pills,soft skin,shiny hair,penis length,cup size,enlightenment,spiritual growth…..
that`s advertising…..
i suspect that old william blake may have had a point when he said
“wisdom is sold in the desolate marketplace where none come to buy…”
well,just when we had established by democratic vote,that shantam was indeed the official relig-idiot of jackassnews,along comes a contender who threatens to blow him right out of the water….
its the towelhead turned klansman and rabid rabbi,
the lad who wants to lay down the shahriah law..
……..the ayatollah oshomaniac….
thanks guys..
sd..
the sf quote..
its from the 60′s song .. ‘ i left my heart in san francisco….’..
still they were running around haight ashbury.chased by the po-lice.. even if was only on campus and on acid…
viva abbie hoffman.’steal this book.’ where is he now?
frank
shall we set up a spiritual despair site instead…. we can take a few tips from these guys in marketing
http://www.despair.com/
blogging:never have so many people with so little to say said so much to so few.
despair is the new hope…..
Martyn…you ask: Abbie hoffman.’steal this book.’ where is he now?
That is debatable. He has been dead for over twenty years.
lokesh…
can we still say he’s alive as long as his vision continues ?
as captain manwaring says.. ah well done Pike just checking to see er um who’s on the ball this morning..
now i have to go and enjoy the fresh mountain air… so thats all for a while folks… chheeers and have a effulgently ‘ not I ‘ bliss of the joy day… and if that doesnt happen .. who cares….
Anugrah: shahriar , u need to make sure who do have in mind because often you write as if you are drunk and can not figure out what you want to write.
Shahriar: r u serious Anugrah? Except for the christmas post, I write pretty clearly. I know exactly what I want to write. And the christmas post was because of having stayed awake the whole night.
By the way everybody, do you all think its possible to contact the dead?
Yes,all you have to do is commit suicide.
when muslim bombers do a suicide thing in order to go to heaven……..
why does it not occur to them that they should give some credit to the infidel enemy for providing them with a situation where they are able to do the ultimate thing for allah…?
without the infidel enemy,who have played at least 50% part in the jihad,they could never reach such religious heights……
LOL, i’ve heard a story about a man who took off his shoes and left them outside the temple door to provide an opportunity to potential thieves to resist the temptation of stealing. He was regarded as a very virtuous man for this act.
Nice post about osho websites-P.M. The whole point of capitalism is for one person to take money from your pocket and put it theirs. Sannyasins are NOT exempt from this law. thou by the grace of osho, they think they are… Quite deluded bunch of boobs
Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money, Mo’ Money– Home Boy Shopping Network(In Living Color-1989-1992)
“The only person we should take it seriously… is osho”.- anugrah. he also says, “I write my posts out of joy…” First quote- the guy is dead bro and you are brain dead it seems….Second quote… Get a grip and reread you past posts… and lay off the NO2 before posting
To back track on Shahriar’s delusional posts– Since you’re a so called big fan of osho, didn’t he make a big deal about letting go of negativity, of violence, anger and hatred… his advice that one should take out their anger on a pillow and then thank the pillow (a.k.a.the richard nixon discourse). you on the other hand omit the above and go off on a tangent about mass killings. You seem take osho’s discourses and with your psycho-iranian mind filter come up with a point of view that rivals Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin. I’m setting up a “Send Shahriar Back To Persia” fund…. any contributions?
Bubbie…
i would contribute but im saving all my dimes for the community building extended network very important life saving and professional i’m not part of society’s ordinary mundanity intensive with jacuzzzi an extra five hundred bucks , speak in hushed approving tones about the wonderfulness of it all before i go back to the desk job on monday saving white exiles from day care, im always with myself so why am i paying you for the privilege dead guru photo worshipping , thats great for business what do u mean you want your money back ,weekend thats very very really important and so funny and ironic about itself i forgot to laugh (full time seeker outfit included )
meantime the ever so radical osho bandwagon has not a single centre producing any interventionist political or social initiatives that its awkward guru was famous for… unless you think sitting in a villa in the italian countryside shakes the foundations of society and that swopping car keys in the middle of the room was invented by osho’s meditation department to make the narrow western mind go beyond its limitations…( i know a hi class club like that in west london…they also dress up.)
somebody ought to set up a been there done that advice centre.website.. like a civic consumer advice centre for spiritual newbies… we could make millions… even start a new religion for the fainthearted lukewarm trekky.. with part time half truths that dont cost much….
As far as my advocacy of a world-war 2-like war against the ideology of Islamic totalitarianism waged (I will speak of targets later on.) according to the philosophy of Objectivism (the philosophy of Ayn Rand.), I do not see it as condradicting Osho’s vision. The reason I do not see a contradition is because the principle behind this war is self-defense and the protection of the lives and the individual rights of U.S. citizens Now as far as targets: Iran, Saudi Arabia, organizations supporting the ideology of Islamic totalitarianism etc. etc. etc.
The proper response to murder is not to beat against a pillow to “take out your anger” against the murderer, the proper response is retaliation with force. The same with foreign aggresson. The proper respnse against Islamic totalitarianism is not to beat a pillow to take out your anger against said ideology but to defeat the enemy.
bubbie
which level you on bro… i got as far as pulverise em with the phaser locator got an extra 300 points and was on level 16.. then the doorbell rang and i tripped over the cable…when i got back the software had gone into my ‘reverse the meditations and see what happens’ standby by default and i was losing points each time .. kept getting a virus calling itself OFI ..and a pop up trojanagent making a dreadfull racket about a new world order…..apparently they are originating from a kitchentowel headgear and crockery department secret lab in Tashkent…
could wipe out all my software for level 17 if im not careful…
I am going to post a poem here and I would like to know what you think about it. The poem is called Contra Conjugium T.B.B. (no idea what it means. Probably latin.) The author’s name is Aleister Crowley, from his book white stains. (a book of erotic poetry.)
Through nave and chancel drone the choir,
Their chant rolls through the darkened aisle;
Their song soars up beyond the spire;
The priest prepares; there waits his smile
A deed most vile.
Harken, thou fool at altar-rails
The still small awful voice of fear
Whereat earth shakes and heaven pales –
‘I am the Lord’; His voice rings clear:
‘What dost thou here?
‘Thou hast despised my laws, and stilled
The voice of Nature and my voice,
Now, shall thy life with joy be filled?
At thine own time shalt thou rejoice?
At thine own choice?
‘I gave thee life, I gave thee youth,
Four seasons fair, for love the same,
Health, strength and comeliness — forsooth,
And thou hast quenched my holy flame,
And scorned my name!
‘I gave thee life, life passeth by;
I gave thee youth, that youth is fled.
Thinkst thou that I will fructify
Now, at thine own good time, thy dead
And barren bed?
‘How worship me, yet break my laws?
Art thou a God? Didst thou devise
The infinite world? Did thy word cause
The silver Caucasus to arise?
Art thou all-wise?
‘Or hast thou mocked me, setting high
A molten calf, a graven block,
A fetish foul, a devil’s lie,
And worshipped that? Thou shalt not mock,
Thou barren rock!
‘Thou shalt not mock! Cold Chastity,
Father and child of Impotence,
Whom thou hast set on high for me,
From her foul shrine shall chase thee thence:
‘Avoid, get hence!’
‘And I — thou shalt not scorn my word,
All Nature sets it scorn on thee;
Sweet flower and stream, swift fish and bird,
Shall chorus out ‘Thou fruitless tree!
Thou salt dry sea!’
‘I will not aid thee in thine age,
Nor heed thee in thy piteous strait;
Live thou in thine own empty cage,
Forged every day that thou didst wait
Too long, too late!
‘Shall I turn back the seasons past,
Recall sun’s shine and cloudlet’s fleece,
Revive the ghosts of aeons vast,
And bid the scythe of Chronos cease
For thy caprice?
‘Because thou wilt, shall I accede
And change my laws that I have made
Shall I make grapes from thorn and weed,
Fresh water from the fountains stayed,
If thou hast prayed?
‘For thine outcry bring chaos back,
Turn over earth and heaven to hell,
And listen ‘mid the roar and wrack,
With pleasure to creation’s knell,
Thy marriage bell?
‘I will not turn the Red Sea back
That thou mayst pass again dry-shod:
Thou hast chosen, thou shalt live the black
Dry years out till thou cleave the sod,
And meet thy God.
‘What are thy good deeds? This one thing
Thou hast not done. This chiefest task
Thou wouldst not do. And shall the King
Of Kings do only what men ask?
Thou empty mask!
‘Repentance is too late, lost fool,
Dead flower, salt fountain, rusty sword,
This curse is on thee for thy dule,
That thou shalt know and be assured
I am the Lord.’
The loud-voiced choir would drown in song
The voice of God; their music woke
Echoes through chancel weird and long –
In thunder and fierce fire and smoke
Jehovah spoke.
‘On with the farce! My perjured priests,
The wolves that raven through my flock,
Nay, wolves in shepard’s garb, wild beasts
That fang and tear my lambs, and mock
At Judah’s stock.
‘On with the grim foul farce! Black hell
Gapes to receive all actors there.
Play on its brink! What soul can tell
But I, your God, may be as air,
A children’s snare?
‘But I am here, I will not heed,
I will not give more signs; But I
Will come with heavy hand and deed
And give men knowledge ere they die
How their priests lie.
‘A gospel marred, a bastard creed,
A dogma out of hell ye teach!
False shepards, ye shall learn your meed;
Not as waves breaking on the beach
My wrath shall reach!
‘I forget not — heed not my cry,
Play out the farce, wed fast the twain! –
Red judgement and black death draw nigh,
Your blasphemies shall all be vain,
And your souls slain.
‘Vipers! on him my mercy falls
Perchance, at last, in heaven; but ye
I will sepulchre in black walls
Of Hell, burn up and hide from me
‘Neath the blind sea!
‘Vipers! eternal fire shall quench
Your prayers and curses, hell shall hold
The vapourous vomit of your stench
Wrung from foul souls, no longer bold
But cowed and cold.
‘Vipers! his fooly I will heal,
Your sin I will not put away;
My Christ is vain for you; appeal
In vain to his shed blood; nor pray
I will not slay.
‘I will most utterly destroy
Your souls from off the earth; your power [31]
Sealed by your Satan I will cloy
With subtle strength; your church shall flower
No further hour.
‘Because ye set your hands to this,
Blaspheming nature and my name,
Cemented the unholy kiss
Of barren age’s fruitless shame
Your hell shall flame
‘Seven times more hot, that ye may know
My paths shall be most surely trod,
That I who answer thus, who show
Myself in wielding sword and rod,
Am high Lord God!’
Silent the voice, and through the nave
And chancel droned the choir; the sun
Darkened, as Satan’s perjured slave,
The priest, in blessing, made them one.
The Deed was done.
we really should all try gibberish at this point
so have a go with this…
Namaste
Örömmel köszöntünk a spirituális megvilágosodásra törekvők azon kis csoportjában, akik a Tantra ösvényére léptek. Anikó és Lajos a hosszú évek során, a világ számos területéről érkezett tantrikus mesterektől szerzett tudását osztja most meg veled.
A tantrikus kriya jóga hatalmas tudásanyagát alapul véve tanfolyamainkat úgy állítottuk össze, hogy azok rendszert alkotva, lépésről lépésre vezessenek el egy ismeretalaphoz. Ha úgy döntesz, gyakorlatban szeretnéd megtapasztalni mindazt, amiről a Tantralap oldalain olvastál, szeretettel látunk kurzusainkon.
Minden kurzusunk négy részből áll:
1. – az ezoterikus alapelvek ismertetése;
2. – az elmélet és az alapelvek gyakorlati oldalát jelentő jógatechnikák begyakorlása;
3. – az ezeken az alapelveken alapuló szexuális gyakorlatok ismertetése;
4. – javaslatok arra, hogyan építsd be ezeket az alapelveket a mindennapi életedbe úgy, hogy azok spirituális életed részévé váljanak.
A tanfolyam anyaga összefoglaló jellegű. Minden lecke, ha minden apró részletet megvilágítva ismertetnénk, több kötetet töltene meg. Ezért kiindulási pontunk az, hogy már olvastál ilyen könyveket, de még nem tudod az így megszerzett ismeretanyagodat az életed részévé tenni. Ebből következően tanfolyamainkat az igazi tudást keresőknek szánjuk. Feltételezzük, hogy már kipróbáltad a meditációt, már jártál a spiritualitás ösvényén; és már van gyakorlatod az éteri energiákat illetően. Ha ez nem így áll, akkor se ijedj meg, kurzusainkon megismerheted, megtanulhatod ezeket, de feltétlenül gyakorold a technikákat, és légy türelemmel!
Tudnod kell, hogy weblapunk nem szexuális terápiával foglalkozó oldal, nem is állandó vagy alkalmi társkereső vagy közvetítő lap, és a kurzusaink sem azok. Ezt rábízzuk azokra a szakemberekre, akik ebben igazán profik, ez a hivatásuk. Ha tehát az ismerkedés vágya hajt, rossz oldalakon keresgélsz, kérünk ne is lapozz tovább, mert ilyen jellegű szolgáltatásra nálunk nem akadsz.
Először nézd át a Tantralap című honlapot, hogy összképet nyerj a tantráról és így a tanfolyamainkról! Utána, ha kedvet kaptál, keress minket
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A megismerés és a haladás sebességét te szabod meg önmagadnak. A tantrában semmi nem kötelező! De a gyakorlat megszerzéséhez nélkülözhetetlen a rendszeresség. Minden nap szánj fél órát a tanulásra, gyakorlásra nézd át magadban az anyagot, majd emeld testedet és lelkedet bölcsességed legmagasabb szintjére! Az eredmény minden képzeletedet felül fogja múlni. Következetesen addig gyakorolj, míg magad is érzed ennek hatását.
Figyelmeztetés!
A tudatalattidban jelenlévő zavarokat a tantra gyakorlása egészen addig erősíteni fogja, amíg azok a tudatod szintjére nem lépnek: ekkor azonban ezek a problémák eltűnnek. Ezért nem jegyezték le a hagyományokat. Nem árt, ha valaki azon a nehéz szakaszon átvezet téged, amikor a tudatalattidban elnyomott anyag elkezd felszínre törni. Olyan emberre van szükséged, aki már átment a lelki megtisztuláson, és megérti azt, hogy mi zajlik le benned. Ha ez a folyamat túl intenzívvé válik, lehet, hogy pszichiáterhez, pszichológushoz kell fordulnod.
A múltban a guru őrködött tanítványán, most saját magadnak kell ezzel a feladattal is megbirkózni. Ha mégis segítségre van szükséged, lépj kapcsolatba szakemberrel! Mindenekelőtt ne próbáld ismét elnyomni a tudatalattidból feltörő anyagot! Ezek a különleges technikák mélyen felkavarják a tudatalattit, és az elnyomott emlékképeket belekényszerítik tudatodba. Ha nem tudod megfelelően kezelni ezeket a képeket, lelki konfliktusba kerülhetsz, amely újabb lelki gondokhoz is vezethet. Ezért hangsúlyozzuk ismételten, hogy nagyon intenzív technikákról van szó, melyek hatalmas energiát szabadítanak fel, csodákat hoznak az életedbe, de óvatosan kell bánni velük!
yes that definitely feels better..
burpppp… farrttt
now then
as this thread has now reached a complete irrelevance to all of us i thought id say goodnight by posting a link for all you subversionists out there…
its about the most definitive study of the historical origins and purpose of the way westerners are educationally destroyed from an early age….
an extract from harpers magazine here:
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/hp/frames.htm
P.M.- Wasn’t that Shahriar’s rejected poem? Sounds rather familiar– ah, now i remember, it was a reprint of Shaka Zulu’s war chant — sheela had it hidden in her vault for all of these years, say how did Shahriar get a hold of it?
Regarding Iranian’s totalitarian regime– it’s the iranian people’s problem let them deal with it… if every person were to act like you Mr. Shithead Shahriar, nobody would be left standing… too many paranoid people running around, yourself included… obviously doing osho meditations has screwed your head up pretty badly. lay off and go get laid– try tahiti- those savages deserve to be tamed by you.
I disagree with the article, but do not wish to say that I support public schools. Public schools are destroying america’s youth, but I do not believe that the advocates of public schooling are devious, but rather misguided. They are good people doing the wrong thing in the wrong place at the wrong time. The article is a conspiracy directed against the rich. I would also hasten to say that if you want to read conspiracy theory-free arguments as to why public education is destroying our youth read Ayn Rand. Also, she does not hate the rich and does not feel that the purpose of public education is to provide a “docile working class populace which does not lead a proletariat revolution.”, although she does believe that it is destroying our youth.
Shahriar- you are the golden example of what is so screwed up with the present day sannyasins— go ahead and take a bow, then exit stage left.
What is wrong with present day sannyasins prem bubbie, of which I am the golden example? Although i am honoured prem bubbie that you would consider me to be a sannyasin, and a golden example of present day sannyasins.
I had a sister who worked as a teacher in the public school system in New Jersey… Don’t give a flying fuck what happened to her but just to say, that having a person like her teaching kids anything would be like having charles mason give lessons on how to enjoy an acid trip. the public school systems have been fucked up for at least 40 years particularly on the East Coast.. started going south fast during the radical days of late 60′s -early 70′s the administrators hired and politicians in charge back then were of the so-called “progressive” school… they totally relaxed discipline, integrated schools, relaxed academic standards… all of this done by people not knowing their asses from their elbows. The typical, well meaning- do good, bleeding heart liberal… If any of you remember your youth, when we were given an inch by an adult we would take a yard… always trying to get over on the adults.. it’s still prevalent these days, these adults seemed to have forgotten their youth and are too timid to hold students accountable…. the last 40 years schools were in dire need of help and mo’ money, mo’ money kept on being pumped in the the system and shit just kept on getting worse…. stupid stupid people— Sgt. Stedenko- (Up in Smoke- 1978)
pardone me senor shahriar— sannyasin or not, my comments still stand
What is wrong with me then prem bubbie? As far I know you have still not answered the question.
Although I agree with you prem bubbie that progressive education is destroying our youth. Hence I mentioned Ayn Rand and her arguments, but I did not like the conspiracy theory, paraniod, marxist undercurrent in the article.
prem bubbie: Regarding Iranian’s totalitarian regime– it’s the iranian people’s problem let them deal with it…
Shahriar: it is our problem as long as they seek to harm the lives of U.S. citizens. Hence the proposed solution of a world war 2-like war waged according to the philosophy of Objectivism.
against the ideology of Islamic totalitarianism with the targets of Iran, Saudi Arabia and organizations which hold on to this ideology.
bubbie
for youth
accountability yes plus an equal say in schools strategy… young people are cogs in their parents lives and by default in readymade social economic mental formulas…
not a good idea for democracy…
or empowering destiny…
and its all been pre planned..for at least a century since industrial society began…
u dont have to meditate for solutions either…
i dont want to restructure society… dont give a toss about that….. just understand its motives for authoritarianism..
of course kids become their parents.. and in a large part reflect the worst of life…
but the responsibility for insight lies with those who benefit from the strategic manipulation… from cradle to grave,….
gatto is really good on that though less effective in solutions..
i believe that once you see the whole picture.. only dropping out is the real solution…the cracks are unfixable….
but then you end up selling snake potion to the adults to cope with the mess they get into later—
like therapy…
and jumping up and down
maybe its better to not rock the boat after all….(nah just kidding !)
keep rocking
lol
Prem martyn: and its all been pre planned..for at least a century since industrial society began…
Shahriar: I dislike the attributing of the cause of this to industrialization and laissez-fair capitalism. Progressive education is wrong, but I would not paint them as the proletariat would paint the bourgeoisie. Although some may have authoritarian designs, most are just uneducated.
prem martyn: i believe that once you see the whole picture.. only dropping out is the real solution…the cracks are unfixable….
Shahriar: dropping out is not the solution. Absolutely not. You can start by reading Ayn Rand. That is probably the first step you can take in fixing this situation and encouraging others to read Ayn Rand as well.
When I was a kid and the big people used to ask me what I wanted to be when I grew up I always replied, ‘A beatnik.’
There was a certain logic behind by reasoning. The beatnik girls had purple hair, which I found very sexy. By the time I was in my teens the beatniks were gone. But the hippies were dancing on the horizon and they were even cooler than the beatniks, because hippy chicks didn’t wear bras. It is therefore that I’ve been a drop out most of my life and consider myself a bit of an authority on the subject.
There are different levels of dropping out and Osho knew that. Shantam appears to have disappeared from the scene and therefore I judge it safe to leave you with an appropriate Osho quote that I think is right on the rupees.
To me the statues of Buddha and Mahavira in the East, sitting in a lotus posture under a
tree, do not mean anything historical. They mean something far more significant.
These are the people who have stopped running. They are the people who have steped out of
the road on which the whole procession of humanity is going.
They are real dropouts, not the Californian type which within a few years drop in again.
No, these are real dropouts who never drop in again…
Yeah, man, I can dig it.
Real drop outs again became the symbols of one of the biggest brand building in spiritual history…
If Buddha and Nahavira droped out from everything, what is the psychological need, which makes us inspire?
Same is about other names?
The other day, Lokesh was asking, who is behind the brand Shri Raman..
Does the winds are taking him here and there, there is a systematic though not ogransied effort behind this.
For me Shri Raman Maharishi’s legacy is like the vast empty land near the Indian railway tracks, anyone can built his hut or shop or the shole Shanti..
Unregistered construction….Christian drop outs migrating to the slums of Advaita….
It is a very natural human instinct to relate with somebody, some cause deeply.
This generate warmth, a sense of well being.
People who can drop gurus like a hat, will still cling to their life partners as if it is a last life boat. The adventures of Osho relating in their twilight zone of life are holding the last partner as the child holds the baloon, much stronger than the normal masses, so much so, as the news of that time was, Jayesh gave the offer to Neelam to drop Her Partner and ex. ashram Incharge Tathagat from the property, and she chose Mr. Tathagat, and built their own resort.
Same i see with hundreds of other sannyas couples and singles….
To protect their little comfort Zone they are willing to bribe anybody with their inner voice.
It is like the Hindi proverb, to cross the elephant through a door is easy, the last part of the tail always get stuck.
It seems, inner voice has no premium in the market though we work with our ass on the fire for this little thing.
I’m not usually one for making strident, sloganesque outbursts, but Shahriar here seems to have all the credentials of a crypto-fascist with strongly psychotic tendencies.
I guess the sort of situation that’s unfolding in the world is so potentially unsettling – terrifying even – that some, unintelligent as they are – are going to try to seek refuge in a relatively clear-cut, ‘simple’ solution – genocide, for instance…
And/or ’100% civilian conscription’, the Nazi-type ‘everyone’s a soldier’ credo…What a wonderful legitimisation of rage, violence – and the sense of hopelessness and helplessness behind it all…
Unfortunately, while such fools might find such apparently unambiguous ideas and programmes most attractive in theory, they have not the slightest clue as to how such bloodthirsty policies would actually play out in practice, their imagination and grasp of reality being so utterly limited.
Perhaps a nuclear holocaust is almost inevitable – who knows, it may or may not be? – but ‘exterminate them’ (hundreds of millions of ‘em!) alternatives aren’t real alternatives at all, they’re outpourings of a diseased, essentially impotent mentality, very much part of the problem, not a solution.
so mr shah,hero of democracy…
what contribution will you be making to the mass extermination of towelheads,in the fulfillment of osho`s dream?
why not join the marines…
you will get on fine,the boys will be well impressed when they find you`ve got a nude pic of ayn rand on the inside of your locker door…
or a job at abu graib,maybe….
you could read out aleister crowley poems to the inmates ,man,now that would be real torture…
It may also be the case that nothing can now be done, effectively, to ‘save the world’, the world of man and the natural world itself.
So all such thinking and struggles to ‘find a solution’ is a waste of time and energy.
Goes against our natural survival instincts of course, but there you go….
But if we’re in for a massive, er, ‘cull’ then I’d put forward such types as Mr Shahriar as prime candidates for first to go.
Yes…Shahriar and Anugrah, hand-in-hand, as they walk to their doom – a sort of ‘Noah’s Ark’ situation, in, er, reverse….
As for Ayn Rand, well…For a start, her faith in absolute laissez-faire capitalism, of, er, ‘rational self-interest’, has, I submit, taken a very severe battering recently, given the precarious state of world economics, esp that of the US itself!
Of course, these ideas can sometimes SOUND all very fine…As long as things are going along well enough – and as long as one doesn’t belong to one of the, shall we say, ‘less fortunate’ groups, be it tribe, caste, class or nation.
And then we have a self-evidently unconscious jerk such as Shahriar promoting these fundamentally flawed ideas, born of someone, however intellectually proficient, who is basically just as unconscious.
Blind leading the blind, as per usual…”We’re doomed, I tell you, doomed!”
Ok, so the 100% civilian conscription was/is the wrong idea. Although I still think that a proper war needs to be fought by America. Fascism/totalitarianism which is waht this 100% conscription would be is probably not the best of ideas, I’m sure it would play out horribly in practice.
As far as Ayn Rand, she blames government intervention so she does not agree when people say that free markets failed. Rather she says that government intervention failed, the mixed economy failed etc. etc.
Just so as you know, Ayn Rand is actually a one of those enlightened masters who only works through an esoteric group and does not create any exoteric group.
And I’m sure it is just as horrible in theory. (the 100& conscription.)
She works through secret. (like for instance, sufis.)
And her rational pursuit of self-interest is as strong as ever. You only have to looke at the tea party movement in America which arose. And her idea of pursuing one’s own self-interest is not that different from Osho’s own idea of being selfish, If I remember correctly. After all, you have only to read a few Osho discourses and you will see he is opposed to self-sacrifice etc.
By the way, I’m very surprised that Ayn Rand is known here. I thought she would be completely unknown.
Frank: or a job at abu graib,maybe….
you could read out aleister crowley poems to the inmates ,man,now that would be real torture…
Shahriar: I’m not sure if you knew this when you wrote this, but Aleister Crowley actually has a few homosexual poems in his book of verse. (p.s. I’m for the use of torture. etc.)
Satya Deva: And/or ‘100% civilian conscription’, the Nazi-type ‘everyone’s a soldier’ credo…What a wonderful legitimisation of rage, violence – and the sense of hopelessness and helplessness behind it all…
Shahriar: I said that this is a wrong idea in a moment of weakness. I felt guilty about having said it afterwards so I thought I write and say that I do not think it is a bad/wrong idea.
Hey guys, take my advice and turn on, boom in and rock out…it’s really groovy. Relax your mind and float downstream kind of scene.
PS My grandmother had an affair with Aleister Crowley when he had a house up on the banks of Loch Ness. Mr crowley was by most accounts quite a confused chappie. I really enjoyed reading ‘Diary of a Drug Fiend but I don’t think Ali is the guy to turn to when looking for a clear reflection about anything important.
shahriar, you have a very good knowledge of Osho literature and know about the main players in Osho Circus.
Through thr web pages one can get all the relevant information..
Now the question is, do you know few sannyasins in your locality as friends. Have you visited some Osho centre in your town, if the centre still exists, and more over how many hours of Dynamic or Kundalini is integrated in your bones?
This little information is needed to create a rough skatch.
okay guys its time for me to go…
thats it for a while….
and if you see turiya rafia variddhi bodhi ray svarup and prematha veerash…the doc.. the jewish dentist or arun… tell em from me…
lighten up…
its not such a big deal
living
I do not know any sannyasins locally as friends, I don’t think there is an Osho centre in town and I have done little to no dynamic/kundalini.
This was clear, my beloved friend, shahriar.
but you have spend hundreds of hours reading Osho, His pictorial words.When He speaks about Krishna and Mahabharta, one feels the part of it.
When he speaks about Buddha, One can cover the 25 centuries period while sitting in suburban train.
But it is the power of His words.
Still as He says, ” Word love is not love, word water is not water..
But through the books we get the idea, life and inner journey is very simple, so simple, one just need to read the books and get a degree in M.SP( Master of spirutality) and start giving lectures, after all lecures too are a game of word building.
Now think, why this man Osho created so many meditation techniques, Why He spend the life time to create an ashram, a meeting place of different seekers on different level of inner aging.
Without these neccasry steps, everybody can think to become the Master thinker, without leaving the arm chair.
But this is not our earning..It is the power of Osho words.
without doubt, hundreds of people in India have opened their shops of religious sermons..with as little investment as 25,30 Osho books(that too on cost price).
I am sure, when you do dynamic or any other meditation, when you spend some days in an ashram,,, people will look less intelligent, less in expressing Osho..and you will be also one of them because you have travelled few miles, too much luggage of theoratcial knowledge seems more like a garbage.
Complexity of the life is overwhelming.
Shantam -Have you visited some Osho centre in your town, if the centre still exists?
Shahriar-I don’t think there is an Osho centre in town and I have done little to no dynamic/kundalini.
It does not matter in which US city you live. Check the 15 years old telephone directory of almost any town(No web addresses were at that time), and more than 75% chances are you will find no. of Osho centre.
Why they got closed?
Have the recession killed them?
No, the emotional content became dry, because of the policies of the main seat.
Emotions fill the life energy in pictures, in stones in human beings.
In Hindi, it is called, PRANA PRITISHTHA(Restroing respectfully, the life energy).
It is this prana pritishtha that a ordinary books become a Bible and leads a civiisation for the last 2000 years.
Osho The Master is a master because He had the disciples behind, he was not a Book author.
To focus just on the books,casttes MP3′s is like selling the frozen meat.
It is a bloodless murder.
Shahriar:
As far as Ayn Rand, she blames government intervention so she does not agree when people say that free markets failed. Rather she says that government intervention failed, the mixed economy failed etc. etc.
Just so as you know, Ayn Rand is actually a one of those enlightened masters who only works through an esoteric group and does not create any exoteric grou
She works through secret. (like for instance, sufis.)
And her rational pursuit of self-interest is as strong as ever. You only have to looke at the tea party movement in America which arose. And her idea of pursuing one’s own self-interest is not that different from Osho’s own idea of being selfish, If I remember correctly.
SD:
Do you realise that Ayn Rand died in 1972, Shahriar?
Are you suggesting she’s kind of, ‘still around’, like some ‘ascended Master’, perhaps even ‘channelled’ by some, er, ‘very special person’? IE, that whatever she was or wrote has been hijacked by complete ‘bullshit artists’?!
You seem to have misunderstood Osho, if you really believe he and her were on similar wavelengths!
Do you realise, btw, that Osho (or any true Master) is primarily about ‘going inside’, rather than about concern for social or world problems (which, frankly, are never-endingly insoluble – once you think one’s sorted, another comes to take its place and off you go again).
Shantam’s right, I reckon – if you’re really into Osho you need to experience some of his methods – and watch a few video discourses.
How old are you, may I ask?
Satya Deva, I was being humorous when I said she was an enlightened master. It has not been hijacked.
As far as Osho’s primary emphasis being about “going inside” you should remember that it was Osho who talked about the new man vs. the old man and how his work was to create the new man, so I would not say that he is unconcerned about social issues. Secondly it was Osho who said that the East through it’s “going inward” may have become spiritually better, (debatable.) but has remained materially poor, the opposite situation w/ the west. (materially better, although I would not say that western civilization is unspiritual [I dont mean christian when I say spiritual by the way] And social issues are not neverendingly insolluble. They can be solved and life is never without problems. Hence the reason why i was recommending Ayn Rand, because I think she has the right ideas.
I am 19 (closer to 20 though) years old.
As far as my saying that I was joking about saying she was an enlightened master, I would rather say that I do not believe in mystical enlightenment. To me meditation is a therapy. I am a pagan and my focus is on living on earth, living an earthly life. Nevertheless, if I was to accept that such a thing as enlightenment exists and that enlightened masters exist, then yes, I would say that Ayn Rand is an enlightened master.
aleister crowley ended up in a b and b in bournemouth,shooting massive amounts of morphine and sinking an insane amount of spirits..
he probably didn`t get where he wanted to go,and his poems were crap,for the most part..
but his collaboration with lady frieda harris for the thoth deck produced a masterpiece….
and the beast got to do a bit of sex magick with lokesh`s granny on the bonnie bonnie banks of loch lomond before he took the low road……..
that`s life…
win some..
lose some…..
and being labelled the most evil man on earth by the daily mail etc,during the genocidal early to mid 20th century was no mean feat……
respect………
His self-destructive habits aside, i think he was a poetic genius. I actually really like his book of verse, white stains. (guess what the title is alluding to, i’ll give you a hint, it’s erotic poetry.)
As it turns out, he actually paid a visit to Gurdjieff’s school in Fontainbleu.
Would have like to see a meeting between him and Gurdjieff.
Shahriar:
As far as Osho’s primary emphasis being about “going inside” you should remember that it was Osho who talked about the new man vs. the old man and how his work was to create the new man, so I would not say that he is unconcerned about social issues. Secondly it was Osho who said that the East through it’s “going inward” may have become spiritually better, (debatable.) but has remained materially poor, the opposite situation w/ the west. (materially better, although I would not say that western civilization is unspiritual [I dont mean christian when I say spiritual by the way] And social issues are not neverendingly insolluble. They can be solved and life is never without problems
SD:
Shahriar, I’m afraid you hugely underestimate the extent and degree of the crisis in the world if you believe workable ‘solutions’ are within reasonable reach.
Are you blind and/or deaf? Have you, in your short life, seen anything ‘out there’ actually improving?
In any case, if you really want to ‘understand’ a man like Osho you need to cultivate a bit of inner awareness – perhaps even some inner silence, if you’re ‘lucky’ and/or ready – by sampling his meditations – every day, preferably, for at least 3 months.
And combine it with watching or listening to discourses, ie not just reading! His greatness, power, impact was/is of Being, rather than mere words.
It’s simply not good enough to interpret him as a political or social revolutionary, that’s just ‘surface stuff’, relatively speaking.
And, btw, let me assure you that the Western mind is still overwhelmingly material. Don’t be fooled by the ‘New Age’ bullshine – it amounts, in a way, to ‘sugar over shit’!
Also, Shahriar, Crowley wasn’t a Master, he was just another ‘psychic’ teacher.
You need more discrimination, more experience….
And…(deep breath!) – I wonder what your notions are of so-called “mystical enlightenment”…
If you imagine it’s finally anything unconcerned with in-the-moment living on Earth – and btw, PROBLEM -FREE (I suggest you really look into what that actually means, it’s surely the only ‘revolution’ that matters?) – then I submit you’ve picked up wrong ideas about the whole thing.
Not your fault, ‘for God’s sake’ (lol) – ‘enlightenment’ (and ‘love’) may well be the two most misunderstood words in the language….
I never said Crowley was a master Satya, although when i said I would have liked to see a meeting between him and Gurdjieff, the reason was that Gurdjieff is a no-nonsense type of person and he would have brought Crowley back to his senses.
As far as the world improving, I would like to point out that in the last 300 hundred years, individual rights (in America, through the constitution & declaration of independence.), a tremendous increase in the standard of living, women have become free through birthcontrol and are free to participate in society and achieve to their fullest potential etc. etc. etc. so the world is not getting worse, if anything it is improving. And problems certainly can be fixed.
Also I don’t like this “you shouldn’t be materialistic” undercurrent found in most spiritual discussions and everyone is full of hatred for the west because they live life to the fullest instead of wasting it on unearthly pursuits. (and the fact that they are successful and prosperous etc. etc. etc.) I think most of Osho’s followers ignore the materialist in spiritual materialist. They only see the word spiritual and not materialist. This is Osho after all who brought the very radical and revolutionary concept of Zorba the Buddha.
Anyway, Shahriar, as you may glean from the examples of the wise souls who come here to both give and receive daily spiritual sustenance…ahemmm…the, er, ‘road’ is long and full of, er, ‘potholes’ for the unwary…
With no ‘guarantees’…
Frankly, it can be like banging your head ahgainst a brick wall, mate!
Still, there’s always green tea and football, I suppose….
I would just like to make a correction and say that I don’t think that Osho’s followers ignore the materialist in spiritual materialist. Osho’s followers represent at least from what I have understood, spiritual materialism.
Re the importance of materialism, those of us brought up in the West simply take it for granted, Shahriar, it’s in our whole conditioning, in our jeans, er, our genes, even!
I somehow don’t envisage too many spiritual-type westerners giving up making money, do you?
It’s all a question of balance.
Careful, Shahriar – ‘Cutting through spiritual materialism’ is a fine book by Chogyam Trungpa, in which he undermines commonly-held preconceptions of what ‘spirituality’ actually is, ie common errors of what we might term ‘the western mind’!
IE watch your words!
Me neither. And there’s no reason why they should.
I don’t understand is Chogyam Trungpa against spiritual materialism or is he for it? Because I am for it, and Osho was also preaching that people should be spiritual materialists.
Hey, Shahriar, listen up. I’m taking a break feom building a brick wall so this is important.
Some of the bloggers on here have something worth while to say but I draw the line when Shantam comes away with condescending shite like this, Quote: This was clear, my beloved friend, shahriar.
but you have spend hundreds of hours reading Osho,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
There is a spititual expression for this kind of holier than thou shote it is ‘He has his head rammed up his own arse.’
take anything Shantam says with a pinch of salt, lithium maybe. I mean to say, what kind of an example is he stting for anyone. He wastes hours of his time writing a lot of undecipherable mumbo jumbo on this site that nobody is interested in reading unless they need to do a dump on <Shantam’s thick head.
Living in Iran (I’ve been there a few times)Osho’s books must come like a breath of fresh air. In sannyasin circles the ones like Shantam are known as Catholic sannyasins…kind of got stuck somewhere down the line.
Shahriar, you sound like you are doing alright. If you need a spiritual guide, he or she will show up sooner or later. It is better to get hooked up with a teacher who is alive or the mind will mess around. just listen to some of the catholics sanyassins on this blog to get directions for which way not to go.
Tea break over, back to work.
Shahriar:
As far as the world improving, I would like to point out that in the last 300 hundred years, individual rights (in America, through the constitution & declaration of independence.), a tremendous increase in the standard of living, women have become free through birthcontrol and are free to participate in society and achieve to their fullest potential etc. etc. etc. so the world is not getting worse, if anything it is improving. And problems certainly can be fixed.
SD:
Let’s say around 250 years, Shahriar (Dec. of Ind. was 1776)…Yes, sure there have been a few improvements, as you say, especially on the material level, fuelled by the march of science and technology, of course.
Yet these have also created huge problems as well, have they not? What about global warming, the threat of nuclear proliferation, the virtual rape of the Earth’s plant and animal species, the poisoning of the seas? Not forgetting the destruction of the Rain Forests, of course…
Then, how about the ever-spiralling rates of mental illness in the so-called developed world? Are you actually aware of this at all, btw?
And how about the divorce rate? Do you really think women are truly happier than ever?!! Try talking to a few, preferably over 30/35 years old….
Then there’s the overwheming greed – the prime cause of the current world economic crisis, which is centered in and felt keenly by the USA, of course…
How about crippling third-world debt?
Famine and disease in Africa?
Christ Almighty, I haven’t even mentioned Islamic Fundamentalism yet!!!
Wake up, man – these are likely ‘The Last Days’ the Bible talks about – give or take a few decades, perhaps. Are they not?!
Ok, you’re young, you think you’ll live forever…The sooner you realise you’re deep in illusion, the better!
That’s supposed to be a key aspect of ‘the spiritual life’, of course…You might already have heard?
Shahriar:
I don’t understand is Chogyam Trungpa against spiritual materialism or is he for it? Because I am for it, and Osho was also preaching that people should be spiritual materialists.
SD:
I was just pointing out to take care with the words. As I said, this book’s title referred to the inherent materialism of the western mind (now, pretty well all minds!), which is another way of saying its inherent spiritual ignorance.
EG Its innate capacity to misunderstand true spiritual teachings (and/or go for an inferior variety).
That’s why CT wrote his book, to illuminate our ignorance.
You, Shahriar, are using the term in a different context – but if I were you I’d alter it, to avoid unnecessary confusion!
Satya, I do not believe in environmentalism. I question the science behind it. You can probably find more about my views on environmentalism from the ARI (Ayn Rand Center for Individual Rights.)
As far as divorce, the very expectation that two people should stay together for all eternity is wrong. Hence Osho was against marriage and for love affairs. (now I don’t think marriage is going to disappear, but I people should abandon this unreal expectation of people staying together for eternity.)
As far as mental illness, man is constantly facing new problems. That is part of life.
I am not against greed, that is not the cause of the financial crisis, government intervention is the cause.
Let third world countries rot, we are not here to sacrifice for them. It’s their problem with it, let them deal with it.
Same with Africa. quarantine people with aids and let them rot.
As far as Islamic totalitarianism, I believe that Objectivism has the right solution as to what has to be done in this regard.
The bible is third rate. There have been much better works of literature produced. What to say of the fact that I disagree with everything written in the bible.
Now, Shahriar – and btw, I agree with Lokesh, that you’re not nearly as ‘bad’ as I first thought (you really had me worried, I assure you!)…
What do you think is the FUNDAMENTAL cause of all this dysfunction?
It surely can not be lack of material progress, can it?
So, what the hell’s going wrong here?
If I am not mistaken (although I think I might be.) Osho himself preached spiritual materialism. He called it Zorba the Buddha and he may have used this term also. Hence the reason why i was using it. There is nothing wrong with the term itself, it is just like God, so there is no reason why it should not be used. Of course when people realize that I am advocating for spiritual materialism, they will know that this is not what Chogyam Trungpa is saying, because from what I gather he was against it, while I am for it.
As far as I understand it from what I have read of Osho and Ayn Rand there is a conflict between two set of ideas.
Osho groups these ideas into two categories and calls the conflict the conflict between the old man vs. the new man. Hence he talks about the religion of the old man vs. the religion of the new man.
Ayn Rand calls it the conflict of the values of the historical age of the enlightenment and the ressaisance with the values which had dominated man previously in the middle ages. And she views socialism, communism and fascism to arise out of the creed of self-sactifce, altruism, collectivism and irrationaility which had dominated man in the middle ages and which encountered a resurgence through these ideologies.
Re Divorce and The Bible, I’m not too bothered really (I only mentioned Bible prophesies ‘in passing’, as it were).
But for the rest – oh dear, Shahriar…
Are you completely and utterly blind and deaf? Do you not know about the threat to the Earth – our physical home – on all fronts? Or are you a species of ostrich?
I’m afraid you’re also up the creek re the causess of the current economic crisis, which was surely engendered by encouraging the unbridled greed of profit-seeking speculators in an UNREGULATED economy?!
As for your dismissal of mental illness, this is an exceedingly shallow stance, ignorant and lacking in both understanding and compassion. Shame on you – although modified by knowing how young and inexperienced you are.
Not responsible for the condition of the poor countries, eh? Have you heard of how they were conquered and exploited? Yes, by the materially powerful West?
Also, have you grasped that they contain the majority of the world’s population? (That, btw, means flesh-and-blood, living, breathing, feeling people, like you and me, not mere numbers on a sheet of statistics).
And now you’re back to your ‘Exterminate them!” stance on the Islamists? I thought you’d renounced that idea earlier?
My God, what a truly ignorant young man!
If I had any faith in the human race I’d soon lose it reading your pile of excrement, Shahriar. I take back my previous positive comments about you.
As far as the period of colonialism which existed, the people who were being colonized were a bunch of primitive half-savages or even full savages. Anyways, I am not going to apologize for the actions of the west. I feel that they were justified in doing what they did, and they did exactly what any rational person would have done in such a situation: that is conquer and exploit the natural resources for the benefit of man and the improvement of man’s life. It is because of their actions that the west enjoys such a high standard of living and women in the west have such a position. If as you suggest, they had done otherwise western women would be locked in their homes wearing a burqa. What to say of freedom of speech and individual rights which are distinctly the wests contribution and nobody elses.
And we certainly are not responsible for the poverty of third world countries. We are not here to sacrifice for others. And I do not feel guility about the fact that the west is successful, prosperous etc. etc. etc.
Shahriar:
As far as I understand it from what I have read of Osho and Ayn Rand there is a conflict between two set of ideas.
Osho groups these ideas into two categories and calls the conflict the conflict between the old man vs. the new man. Hence he talks about the religion of the old man vs. the religion of the new man.
Ayn Rand calls it the conflict of the values of the historical age of the enlightenment and the ressaisance with the values which had dominated man previously in the middle ages. And she views socialism, communism and fascism to arise out of the creed of self-sactifce, altruism, collectivism and irrationaility which had dominated man in the middle ages and which encountered a resurgence through these ideologies.
SD:
It’s the so-called ‘Age of Enlightenment’, Shahriar, which has created the situation of crisis we exist in today (some symptoms of which I’ve listed above)…
The ‘triumph’ of intellectual materialism – soon enough (tomorrow? Let’s hope so!) to go up in poisonous, atomic-powered flames!!
And there’s you, perhaps a true product of the times – frighteningly so, frankly – happily going on about killing vast swathes of the human race and leaving even vaster numbers to simply “rot and die”.
And then, you have the breathtaking nerve – evidence, seemingly, of a serious failure of sensibility – to announce yourself as being very much into ‘spirituality’!!
With views such as yours I’d mark you down as a primary target for the chop – if I were so inclined…Spread that ignorant poison around enough and you’ll get your reward (and it won’t be in ‘Heaven’)….
I disagree, it is definitely not the age of the enlightenment (the historical one, for clarification purposes.) which is the cause of such things. And materialism, which most people take to mean paganism and earthliness is not wrong. And yes I announce myself to be spiritual (although I would hasten to say a spiritual materialist.) because I reject the premise that consciousness is a by-product of matter.
quote from above: And materialism, which most people take to mean paganism and earthliness
and which correctly means the idea that consciousness is a by-product of matter. people often mix these two up.
as a not when I said materialism is not wrong, I was saying that paganism and earthliness, Zorba, is not wrong. I of course disagree with the idea that consciousness is a by-product of matter. These two terms should be differentiated for purposes of clarity.
Shahriar:
As far as the period of colonialism which existed, the people who were being colonized were a bunch of primitive half-savages or even full savages. Anyways, I am not going to apologize for the actions of the west. I feel that they were justified in doing what they did, and they did exactly what any rational person would have done in such a situation: that is conquer and exploit the natural resources for the benefit of man and the improvement of man’s life. It is because of their actions that the west enjoys such a high standard of living and women in the west have such a position. If as you suggest, they had done otherwise western women would be locked in their homes wearing a burqa. What to say of freedom of speech and individual rights which are distinctly the wests contribution and nobody elses.
And we certainly are not responsible for the poverty of third world countries. We are not here to sacrifice for others. And I do not feel guility about the fact that the west is successful, prosperous etc. etc. etc.
SD:
Absolute tripe, Shahriar – absolute shite, in fact.
You have much to learn – about history, about personal and collective responsibility, about the consequences of one’s actions, about fellow-feeling, about compassion, about the nature of greed, about the nature of and the difference between enlightened and unenlightened selfishness…
In fact, about what it is to be a human being on the Earth.
As it stands, your ideas are those of a despicable, small-minded, ignorant, greedy little bigot. For which I have sheer contempt.
But there again…you’re still wet behind the ears, you have very little life experience, consequently you know very little (while imagining the opposite – an almost universal among 19 year-olds).
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Shahriar:
when I said materialism is not wrong, I was saying that paganism and earthliness, Zorba, is not wrong. I of course disagree with the idea that consciousness is a by-product of matter. These two terms should be differentiated for purposes of clarity.
SD:
Yes, well, all very well trotting out the ‘spiritually correct’ stuff re consciousness and matter – but so fucking what if the rest of your views are so screwed up?
If you live your life – which is all that counts anyway – in the light of what you’ve said are your beliefs and values, then for me you have not understood a single thing about so-called ‘spirituality’, not one single, infinitesimally tiny thing.
And as such, you are a danger to both yourself (but you would neither see nor accept this, at your present stage) and everyone else.
In fact, I see you as really another genre of ‘fundamentalist-type terrorist’, in a way, with your casual attitude to human life, assumption of superior, ‘ultimate’ values and in view of this, a sheer absence of genuine intelligence.
Now, I’ve had enough of dealing with your nonsense, I’m outa here.
I certainly do hold my values to be superior. And those which I was criticizing to be inferior. And this is not in any way a sign of a lack of intelligence.
For instance, I consider the values represented by the new man to be superior to those values represented by the old man. I also consider Osho’s vision of religiousness to be superior to the religions of the past, and I consider his vision of religion to be the religion of the future.
are you familiar with roger mcgough`s poem?
survivor.
everyday
i think about dying,
about disease,starvation,
violence,terrorism,war,
the end of the world.
it helps
keep my mind off things
crowley`s poems,”white stains”
hahaha.
at least he knew it was a load of toss.
crowley and gurdjieff did meet one time.
there was an account of the meeting in one of colin wlison`s books.
they were born and died in the same year.
apparently gurdjieff looked at crowley very suspiciously or something.
i wonder what mental state they were both in.
gurdjieff would have been drunk as a fart,and crowley was probably coked or smacked out…
pair of wasters if you ask me.
altho` some reckon that crowley may have come to the prieure,thinking it was possible to rehab there off the substances he was addicted to…
or that both crowley and gurdjieff were british spies,hence the suspicion.
one book on the subject has suggested that gurdjieff was irish..
it wiould explain the boozing, and try saying “food for the moon” with an irish accent.
works doesn`t it?
however,if he was irish,he would have been a better writer….
do you remember when some sannyasins used to boast how far they had got with reading “beelezebub`s tales to his grandson”?.
i tried it too.
i thought some kind of enlightenment was assured.
the result?
easily the worst written book i have ever (tried to) read…
osho said you could get all the worthwhile bits on to the back of a postcard.
and because osho said g was enlightened,that was taken as a compliment!
what a laugh.
young and daft?
guilty as charged……
He did intentionally make it difficult to read. I also read the book, I liked the first chapter, but the rest of it, I kind of skimmed through. Most people become acquainted with Gurdjieff through Ousepensky anyways.
Might be possible that they were british spies. Crowley did work for the MI6 so he is a confirmed spy. As to gurdjieff, nothing has surfaced about any such thing.
Shahriar:
For instance, I consider the values represented by the new man to be superior to those values represented by the old man. I also consider Osho’s vision of religiousness to be superior to the religions of the past, and I consider his vision of religion to be the religion of the future.
SD:
Unfortunately though, Shahriar, in your exclusivity, what I’d call greedy, unenlghtened selfishness and ludicrously impractical approach to the ‘Islamic terrorist’ threat, then I’d put you right dead-centre in the middle of the massed ranks of ‘the old man’.
In other words, you’re stuck in a false view of yourself and the world.
You’re in an unreal dream world, young man, within and without.
With all the misplaced arrogance of the thoroughly misguided.
Just like the fundamentalist Muslims!
Anything to say, btw, on Iran’s nuclear ambitions, its fairly advanced weapons programme (despite official claims to the contrary)?
And where do you actually live – there or in America?
Satya Deva: The “sugar over shite”, that’s a good one…. It was Osho who coined the phrase, “Lazy man’s guide to enlightenment”… westerners flocked to him afterward… very similar … the old hippies “dropping back in” after a short stint as “back to nature bums”– common pattern– I suppose it’s just nature rearing its head… why bother hand hoeing a garden when a tractor can do it– no need to break one’s back. From tending crops to tending to one’s minfulness (meditativeness- or whatever) the easy way is au naturale…. So, this is what god stuck us with? What a bastard!!!!
Mr. Shah-ria(law): !9 or 20 yrs old eye? Figures— still got your baby fat? When you lose your baby fat and get some crows eyes, come on back here. For now prepare yourself for a good whupping!!
Osho just went with what was popular to attract disciples- so western capitalism was/is the big thing. you forgot Shah-ria(law) that osho ranted big time against the king of capitalism-U.S. after he got kicked out. Back in 1971 he published a book called “Beware of Socialism”- raving about capitalism. about 1986-87 he then embraced the “green” movement that was the rage in Europe, especially in Germany, and Germans made up the bulk of the cash contributors to Osho’s/Pune2′s coffers. The man simply went with the energy/mind set flow at the time. the whole shit with Zorba the Buddha was a marketing ploy… Can anyone here actually eat dinner and take a shit and wipe their ass at the same time… or juggle while fucking? Naive, Naive, Naive…..
“People who were being colonized were primitive half- savages…” So Genghis Khan conquering most of asia and europe, was conquering “half-savages or full savages”? More stupid shit from the Shah– now who is the really the “half- savage”?
hair o` the dogyam trungpa?
that old toper back in the frame?
good show.
you know,when you think about it,talking about dropouts and beatniks etc,its amazing how many leading lights of the new consciousness religion thingy were absolutely trolleyed,as they say these days.
i have made this point before,that any “noah`s ark of consciousness” would need to have an extremely well stocked bar onboard,an in-house dealer with some pretty good contacts and a few well-stocked fag machines and a dentist,too…
trungpa
gurdjieff
ouspenski
blavatski
william james
alan watts
gibran
and of course,our osho
to name a few..
not to mention the crowley,ramdas and his mate with the blanket,leary,kerouac etc etc
all pretty partial to a puff,slug,toke,tab or two,three or more,a lot more….
the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom?
or just let the good times roll?
“you never know what is enough,until you know what is too much”
william blake….
Matter is a by product of consciousness— got it ass backwards Shah.
Shah-ria: I don’t think you’ve noticed that humans will get used to living in almost any conditions… New Delhi, Mexico City, L.A. Africa, etc. Yes, they get used to having shit, piss, cum, diesel, lead, mercury dumped all around them , on them and in them… Living in a big metropolis is not Au naturale, not improved living, healthy living… just desperate, lonely, fearful living…. so take your anti-environmental thoughts and suck on them for awhile along with my “johnny wad”.
I live in America, been here for 10-12 yrs.
As far as Iran’s nuclear weapons program, 2 things. First Iran should have been number one on our list of targets after september 11, not Iraq or Afghanistan. (I’m actually not sure about afganistan, I’d probably have to see what Objectivists think of it, but I’m pretty sure they are in agreement. Then Saudi arabia and the various organizations supporting the ideology of Islamic Totalitarianism. What to say of the fact that we called the enemy terrorists which is the wrong name. Terrorism is a tactic. To declare war on terrorism is like declaring war in WW2 on kamikaze pilots. The war is against Islamic totalitarianism, that is the ideology which motivates the enemy.
Second as far as its nuclear weapons program, Iran while it is a threat, is not a scientifically advanced country. Why they can’t even refine their oil in their own country, they have to send their oil abroad to have it refined for them because the lack the infrastructure. As far as military is concerned, Iran is not in any way close to what Germany was in WW2. Germany actually produced it’s own tanks and airplanes, the Iranians have to buy it from others. Irans defeat is absolutely certain, the only question is how long it will take before the America finds the backbone to lead a proper war against the enemy.
In a thought provoking new Oneness weekly magazine from Joy of Life and Spirit press…
we are asked to consider
is male masturbation purely a genital phenomenon….does penis envy create bigger beliefs ?
Foremost world famous loving and wise blogwriter Ivor Biggun analyses how using ordinary soap on stubborn stains leads to creative excuses.
On page 16 (extract from his forthcoming book): ‘ I dont eat porridge, how come its on my T shirt ‘, ..
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In the 2nd chapter : ‘Stains I cant explain’ Ivor takes us on a whirlwind tour from the comfort of your own laptop across 3000 years of tossing off in the name of joy and in the face of advaita… a young girl who he takes under her wings on his voyage through the mistake east (E.Croydon – Surrey ..indian sunday market)
Whilst seeking to understand all positions in his original face, Mr Biggun becomes a transendexual fan of relativism…. by repeating some of Anais Nins family favourites of pleasurefulness.
‘ A jolly thwacking read’ .. Onan the Librarian in Burrowing Monthly
‘I couldn’t pick the book up ‘ Leka Spittle in Readers Digest
‘ The pages were glued to my fingers ‘ Robyn Nuts on Public Air Radio
Ask for it now ayataller newsagents and corner shops and allother likely meeting centres of islamic tourism
Ps
Book now for The Osho therapist stand up comedy tour…. its a.’you talk, we listen’… laugh a minute.!!..( and 95 $ an hour…)
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A song from the Shah: “I want to leeve in amereeka, I like to leeve in amereeka.. I want to take jobs away from Amereekans”… (West Shah Story- 2010)
Also: “Kill the Poor”– dead kennedys…. “It’s a rip off for you- A Rolls for them”- Sham 69
Not the flaterry but the criticism fuels the inner fire.
As one can see from the videos,thousands of sannyasins mostly educated, rational westerns, Martyn, Bubbie, Satya Deva, and Lokesh kind were going Gagga for their Bhagwan during the ranch days of Rajneeshpuram.
I just wonder, why they remain silent at that time, has any one dared to write letter to Sheela or Bhagwan about the excess of everything happenig there?
Has any one ever discussed even in private that most of the constrution there will prove card board house as its foundation is not legally solid.
Has any one ever thought even in the private moments, that these rolls Royces will prove counter productive, how so ever Bhagwan treis to explain with his childish logic, ” I was provoking American Materialism.”
And once the game was over with in days, these same souls started behaving like the people with consciusness..
To throw shoes on broken statue of Saddam is nothing more than a ghetto mentality,which many sannyasins are perfect into, but to hit on the iron when it is hot, sparkes can burn the eyes or the face.
This much courage is unneccasry, after all, nobody wants to miss the bus to the inner world.
But than hitting on the dead and gone is also not needed.
er actually yes shantam… as the ranch closed .. all major centres and communes held a tell your centre leader.therapist exactly what you think of them, without regrets… i was at the medina. uk commune meeting.. and it was great… all the top brass had the biggest shock of their osho careers…one of them later ended up putting oshos robes into an oxfam bag to throw away…
the british in german centres because of their sardonic humour of anarchic nonsense were separated from working together… even told to stop cracking jokes….
in poona 2 …osho had to reprimand people in the first months because noone would take loving reminders or orders from the management… he gave a lecture on dont let smalll things get in your way, compromise on the details but not on the big picture ..if you dont let the small things happen easily nothing can get organized…..slowly we went from wearing jeans to robes again…
shantam you have a very silly way of living your originiality love of oshoness etc…i can easily take my loving devotion with me….and i can also switch osho videos off and call him an idiot….whilst stiil in love and present and open to the silence…things that endure .. endure……but i dont sell my version of reality as a package of development. like others do..that phase is over…after so many years thank god im not the same guy at my age now as i was then…
you dont seem to be able to account for much of real living …shantam, or to take love in a less than formal way…
and this is a result of formulaic input and external referencing…if you did you’d be more credible as a person..and more trustable as a devotee or whatever you choose…
as it is i couldnt rely on anything you represent because its text book verbiage..or i no longer recognise its use or language or solidity…if i ever did…
using your voice and self is not a banned activity in life..
i was thinking yesterday how those of our parents who risked their own lives in 1939-45 for me to play at getting happy, really would be laughing at all this so called soul searching…
ultimately what does everything you say make you.. thats all you have to consider…
what definition of yourself do you get after a good shantam harangue out the window…
what i did in public as a result of opposing the feeling based meditative manipulations made me feel who i am today..and its not ‘in the way of love or inwardness’ for me by my own or those whom i love appraisal of myself,,quite the opposite..
if its is in the way of others psychic manipulation .good GREAT….then they’ll have to dance with better moves to avoid trampling on others to get to where they wanna go…
and that goes for work , school and cults relationships… everywhere remains everything….
love remains….
is that enough free therapeutic meditation for u for today shantam…
or do you need to play the theatre game of me me me me me me me …try it ..do some theatre of your life story… and sing more.. itll get you out of your way…
its a shame that informality was/is not a commodity amongst oshite artistes..isnt really sellable i suppose and cant promise you anything either…loose affections and affinities that arent clinically decipherable tend to be unusable even if packaged…
do i regret not going to osho centers to get my me myself in the name of someone else…for someone elses benefit
no way jose…
i did that…its over..( FOR ME maybe not for you )….its a real fantastic relief….and still life says hello… thats amazing….
really amazing….
reallly farrr outtttttttt
and if you dont recognise osho in that.. sorry shantam… try the next guy…or girl preferably…
hope someone else can use that though…
living…
its not such a big deal…
As far as I am concerned, the last thing on earth I was doing back in the early eighties was, as you put it Shantam, ‘going Gagga for their Bhagwan during the ranch days of Rajneeshpuram.’ I had more important matters to attend to.
Does it ever occur to you, Shantam, that you have not even learned the basic things, like seeing how you project your own bullshit on others etc. I kind of doubt it. What is it like being incarnated as a roll of toilet paper, Shantam? Perhaps you’d care to enshiten us with some more of your delusional ravings.
as a remark on synchronicity…
it was last night that i was watching osho in the privacy of my own computer.. and it was at the point that he was talking about the rolls royce as joke episode.. that i switched him off…
fancy you mentioning that this morning..
do you do lottery numbers shantam?
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its a dylan song
here are the lyrics
and i dedicate it to the osho in all of us and those of us who have left this shore
Make You Feel My Love
When the rain is blowing in your face
And the whole world is on your case
I could offer you a warm embrace
To make you feel my love
When the evening shadows and the stars appear
And there is no one there to dry your tears
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love
I know you haven’t made your mind up yet
But I would never do you wrong
I’ve known it from the moment that we met
No doubt in my mind where you belong
I’d go hungry, I’d go black and blue
I’d go crawling down the avenue
There’s nothing that I wouldn’t do
To make you feel my love
The storms are raging on the rollin’ sea
And on the highway of regret
The winds of change are blowing wild and free
You ain’t seen nothing like me yet
I could make you happy, make your dreams come true
Nothing that I wouldn’t do
Go to the ends of the earth for you
To make you feel my love
.
bob dylan..
Our cultural conditiong apart, there is much with Martyn, i can relate too.
for example, one of the best post of his on the other day-(Nov 7, 2010 at 12:02 pm )
In this soft satire is hidden the mirror to show that sannyas face which has lived its shelf value.
Through my limted reach, i am pouring my energy to bring the discussion on the surface about the dirt and the diamonds hidden inside and collectively.
and i feel to raise questions, to appreciate thoughts and answerablity to the people in any movement is a way of growth, is a way of devleoping together.
To GO IN is almost impossible without paying the bills to the parents, country, nature,and to all in between.
And i am sure, Even the enlighend person has no presidential immunity, If there is some law of Karma. Everybody is bound by it.
So as a disciple it is my sincere wish that the way of Osho growth lies in utter honesty and transparancy, without respecting these qualites and integrating in organisational structure, all the discourses and meditation techniques may have the silence and feel good feeling, but this silence has no music, no divinity in it.
For this simple silence, better to have Prozac!
Lokesh, out of my three hundreds sentences per day, it is not much if you take three four for criticism, all the words can get slughtered, once they are typed on a public platform.
May be some iota of truth will be still left aside in that ashes.
but the problem with you is, you have a very limted knowledge about inside working of Osho as a movement and the sannyasins as a share holders of that movement.
After a certain while, once you got your desired elements, you left the Osho store for some another Kiosk…
There is not even a wish in you to upgrade the Osho software, still operating with the last modifeid version of 1977.
It does not really mean that you cannn’t be the best dressed man in the group of new age seeker.whereas i am totally in love with all that Osho stands for, its failure and pitffalls, potentialsand possibilites. Single dimension attention.
MAy be a cultural conditioning. Divorce in master-disciple relation is not heard of, and every other disciple is treated as part of the master.
Of the many qualities that people carry being smug is one that I avoid like the flu. Your last post comes across as very smug, Shantam. When I watch people who are smug I always think the same thing; how shallow and utterly stupid.
I’ve notice you adopt a patronizing tone with a few people on this blog and now you try it on with me, which only helps reinforce the idea that you are quite a conceited chap underneath the thin veneer of spirituality you hide behind.
I second the above, also Martyn’s earlier comments.
Thing is for me, Shantam, you’re just a mere commentator, you don’t seem to be ‘walking your talk’ at all.
If you were really into your ‘sannyas’, surely you’d be moving hell and high water to get to Nepal now, wouldn’t you?
I mean, what do you want, man? Nothing less than a real-life video replay of more than two decades ago?!
Er, sorry – you don’t and never will – have that option again.
Always safer to sit and complain, of course….
And btw, like Lokesh, I certainly wasn’t ‘going crazy for my Bhagwan on the Ranch’…Check your facts, Mr Lawyer Man!
Re the point Lokesh made about ‘conceit’, this might well be a common characteristic of ‘upper-to-middle-class’, professional Indians, who, by virtue of their whole upbringing/conditioning in the rigidly stratified Indian caste/class sysyem are led to believe they are ‘something special’ in the whole scheme of things…
You can sense similar bullshine in others’ posts here, Anugrah’s, for example. They have this robotic belief in how necessarily ‘right’ they are, clearly seen, of course, in Anugrah’s ‘distaste’ for freedom of speech.
I’d diagnose CSS (Catholic Sannyasin Syndrome) again, I guess…Would my learned colleagues here agree?!!
Another way of describing these people is that they are in a self-created ‘dream’, fuelled by a mix of Indian socio-religious conditioning.
Which they then ‘transplant’ on to ‘Sannyas’ – for their convenience.
sd
even figurative developed analyses are tempered by linguistic use..and interpretation
try seeing the flower i see
see
?.
so even facts have to be user friendly once they come off or into the page…
thats why i simply cannot read osho… because my experience and my knowledge arent congruous on paper..and paper or lcd screens lack flow…the most i can do is bloggingly interject…as i like the way ideas seem to reveal themselves once I start typing….
add to that tthe anonymity and removedness in virtuality… and its best to use inference…or stories as interepersonal psychological insight takes mutual recognition , which the momentary flicker of the eyeballs allows..
am i right? wrong? phone a friend? take away the wrong answer?
see?
here one will simply never know.. i might be quasimodo with a limp or pamela anderson…metaphorically speaking…
correction>
…which the exchanged momentary flicker .of our shared eyeballs otherwise allows for
there, there is no conditioning
Martyn, do you go all funny when you hear church bells? Is that ringing in your ears the call of the wild? Do you feel comfortable in the company of gargoyles? Do you wear a triple D cup bra? Would you describe yourself as a right handful?
Sorry for all the questions but I am curious by nature.
well ive seen pammy suck something limp that rang my bells…
a vegan vagina who played with Borat….my heroine… i’ll take anything she wants to give.. including viruses…
now as for quasimodo….my lump never gets that big….
actually she does have hepatitis.. so on second thoughts….
sad really…xx 2 pammy !
looks like a record is being approached here at Sannyasnews, 999 posts…
there we go, over the top…1,000!
bravo!
1001.
ali baba
sinbad
alladin
we can fit them in here also..
with
crowley
gurdjieff
ayn rand
dylan
roger mcgough
lokesh`s gran
captain kirk
spock
et al
come again
yet again come……
oshobob,
what about a section of the “living workshop” site listing all the people mentioned on sannyas news and related comments….?
it might lower the tone of your esteemed website of course……
Wow! Never thought we’d make it…Better get to Ladbroke’s to collect my winnings!!
(PS: Ladbrokes (Ladsbroke?) is a huge British bookmaker (betting) business)
Above re the ‘magic 1000′….
well frank, it would be a fascinating project to come up with a concordance page for the sannyasnews posts, but in unexpurgiated form…? that would be a publishing risk, to say the least…the raw language and twisted metaphors, no-holds barred action might make that Editor holding his red pencil tremble a bit…the Buddha stepping into a Wld West Saloon–the project is fraught with danger, but, still, worth considering, no doubt…
i got the feeling that this massive outpouring of posts here was possibly triggered by a combination of amphetamine fueled creative production tied with an Editor’s stern demand to “gimme some good copy, boys, i need it now!”
for “the Book” that everyone is always alluding to…
Just for the purpose of valid documentation, here is the snapshot of the historic event:
http://www.livingworkshop.net/1000sannyasnews.html
cheers.
Osho bob
looks like your creativity is overflowing again…
steady …save some for later…
damn fine picture.. you got any of your keyboard…?
Do you need to quote Osho for this memorable photo event, as i’ve got a few spare quotes if you need, just ask .
S.D. here in the states, we can sign up on line or over the phone and collect our winnings…. lazy man’s guide to poverty!!!
have you pam a.’s bj video— she needs lessons–
have you “seen” pam a’s… so sorry i’m in a rush, gotta go wank
ive spoken to Shantam about the film of the book of the western that you want to produce.. He loves the idea though…he reckons a film about sacred Cowboys and Indians would be a safer bet ..and that gangs of armed Pandits riding into town .on their bicycles and Gandhi hats, ‘armed’ with copies of Oshopedia quickfire quotes.. perhaps with a loud musical score from a sergio leone spaghetti western and awful indian dubbing…
try this.. im with ya all the way…
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/v2/
regards to the indian socio-religious issue; wasn’t that the real issue with sheela? Arrogant, obnoxious, conceited nasty cunt. yet the perfect choice for osho’s “great” experiment… how much more proof does one need to show osho was inhaling more than just air….
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/v2/play.php?id=145755
play the music roll the credits…..
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marty, i’m not being facetious,
i think the 1,000 mark is great. really.
an odd-lot collection of writings – some really great and insightful, some just standard middling good, and some downright rotten and unnecessary.
just like real life, isn’t it?
Here is Osho Tapoban’s newsletter for October, its got pictures more than the text about the events.
@Satya Deva its got the pictures about the activities i previously told you about.
http://tapobangallery.com.np/newsletter/octobernov10/
Yo Neerav, i cruised Tapoban’s newsletter and related sites…. many pretty ma’s hanging around, other than that I see that there’s still a pecking order there… All the big shots a.k.a. rich bastards get the front row seats… same shit different era… anyone warn the new, eager sannyasins that this is the same stupid shit that went on in pune2, ranch and pune 1? Still trying to hide the truth of the matter and shackle the closet closed, full of all of those skeletons… On an even funnier note.. the pics of the august trip to the Ukraine, had a bunch with good ole’ sw. Mr. Rajneesh yapping with Arun; one of the pics had him looking as though he was about to choke and devour Arun… What a bug-eyed dude… hope Arun knows that rajneesh is after his job… watch your back Arun bro!!!
Oh yeah– Neerav, that advice was free of charge to papi-san Arun. i may ask him to do me a service sometime in the future (Vito Corleone to the undertaker- The Godfather 1972)
yo bubbie, you got a good eye for those beautiful Nepali mas, some are downright stunning, no? they make a lot of the western mas look like sorry running dogs of the lackey capitalists. but it seems like Arun definitely is pulling out a major operating extravaganza across Nepal, from the looks of it anyway. maybe he made those politicos, neo-maoists, and foot-soldier cadre workers “an offer they could not refuse….” Quite interesting to watch it unfold.
but i couldn’t find those Ukraine photos of Rajneesh and Arun, the page link gave me an “Error, page doesn’t exist”.
what’s the good link bro’?
1000 posts…?
have we got any photos for the gallery…?
Like Bubbie having an ectoplasmic wank
Frank realising he needs some new liquid material for his spiritualism, though he rejects the concept of buying a round of anything for anyone here, proffering that they dont exist , really .
Shantam wondering what role of the three he’s gonna play in the new film , now that the good and the the bad have been taken …
Bob being very Zen and keepin’ all his cards tucked under his stool, as he’s sittin it out on the bench for this quarter.
Lokesh building himself a wall to poke his head above when rising above shantams mugness….
Lokesh with photos of Shantams mug being mistaken for the monster of loch ness by Mr Khan.
Arun and Rajneesh wondering how come two men discussing Penis envy in Ukraine is of any importance to anyone else.
Film of the raid on the Nepalese municipal asylum stores that provided seekers for their new wardobe of clothes..
Martyn offering to virtually love everyone , in a nearly approximate version of profound and profane meditativeness after coming over all religious seeing Pammy’s eat a vegan video.
Other devotees from around the globe all booking to see if they can really get higher up themselves in the Himalayas.
Shantam realising hima not gonna laya no ma eva again
and all others i missed out i leave a posthumous note from Kavita
isnt life great ?
undressed
bob
http://tapobangallery.com.np/?p=298&album=3&gallery=21
( re raj’ and arun )
go there now bob they may get wiped as incriminating evidence for two old farts making wind
Osho’s movement does not participate in politics, it does not voice it’s opinion on political issues, and comes out as anti-ideology in many places. Ayn Rand’s movement on the other hand does these things, it is not anti-ideology, it does voice it’s opinion on political issues. I feel that Ayn Rands philosophy of Objectivism is in accord with the spirit of Osho and complements his revolution in thought and values in the political realm where Osho does not participate in. I feel that without the complement of Objectivism, Osho’s movement will default to socialism, the welfare state and other forms of statism. I would welcome thoughts and comments.
1025th post on this thread.
Is the Tapoban thread so great or the lack of new articles?
Most of the sannyas article writers are from the age of print media, no interactive experinece; nobody can say any thing about their suger coated words..
This is also the reason, sannyas is losing the shine….
Move on move on till there is nothing left to go.
Go on digging, go on digging till there is no digger left…
This was in mind for the last few days, to address this to Lokesh and Satya Deva..
We have not met in our life, but through the Sannyasnews a bonding has developed. To know the thought process of each other is also a very intimate and friendly way, a commune kind of way, specially when the concept of Osho’s commune has become a loss making resort venture…
Many times a direct provocation to you, is simply for the purpose of continuing the dialogue, a process of self discovery…and not even a 1 percent wish is there to put someone’s efforts down, to put question mark on the journey undertaken…
Who am i or somebody else to judge the other on a personal level.
Without a deep empathy, brotherly provocation will also be not possible.
Amen.
Re the point Lokesh made about ‘conceit’, this might well be a common characteristic of ‘upper-to-middle-class’, professional Indians, who, by virtue of their whole upbringing/conditioning in the rigidly stratified Indian caste/class sysyem are led to believe they are ’something special’ in the whole scheme of things…
Another way of describing these people is that they are in a self-created ‘dream’, fuelled by a mix of Indian socio-religious conditioning.
Which they then ‘transplant’ on to ‘Sannyas’ – for their convenience….
Satya Deva,
You have made a very good psychological profile of “we”, the upper to middle class Indians…It is quite to the mark.
and it will hurt me to say, in this New India of last 20 years, where the life is taking jumps everyday from developing to devloped country..OSHO IS LOST IN THE CROWD.
OSHO has become the concrete to fill the foundations of coming religious super malls, with 99% emphasis on great Indian heritage, its yoga, Tulsi tea, Auervedic Massage and great Indian family system..
All this stuff is patronised by this Upper middle class Indians doing backoffice computer work for fortune 500 companies or the wheelers and dealers dealing with shipments of onion and rice…
Do you know, which Indian swami has brought a Scotish island for the pupose of spreading Yoga..and has created a Patanjali Yoga ashram of 100 crore rupees (210 million US Dollers) in just a decade.
This rustic looking Indian in late 40′s is the darling of India. His next project is to throw away the corruption out of Indian system with the help of 60 million active followers.
Check the profile of SWAMI RAMDEV at Google.
Do you know, which Indian Guru with a cherry blossem black shoe polish beard distribute ferraro choclates as PARSADA. This ex. disciple of Mahesh Yogi is eying for the Nobel Peace Price. This Hindu, Loving and proud Hindu has the biggest and most sophisticated PR machinary behind him.
Check the profile of Sri Sri Ravi Shankar at Google.
Than there are Sri Bhagwan, Jaggi Maharaj, and more than dozen Guru Ma’s and Amama’s.
Osho is like a share which was trading at premimum is almost out of the news….
In this atmosphare, i must salute those die hard Osho lovers who are taking smallmedittaion camps without any institutional support, because Instituion created by Osho is being run by the people who are authority unto themselves….
Haha, so you made it to the gallery. I love those pictures. and yeah Nepalese ma’s are very beautiful and are crazy dancers. Well here’s another candid moment of Swami Arun with Veeresh at the Humaniversity in Holland. Its a very funny picture.
http://tapobangallery.com.np/gallery/2010/europe/humaniversity2010/data/images/a_trip_to_osho_humaniversity_0.jpg
more are on
http://tapobangallery.com.np/gallery/2010/europe/humaniversity2010/
Look like Shantam is only person here who is making clear comments with ideas and contributing answers here.
Shantam, you put it all very beautifully. u bring genuineness to this forum. Thank you.
And Swami Arun and Swami Rajneesh are really the sannyains who are bring back Osho dream for all sannyasins now.
see i was right when i said my version of sannyas was only appreciated by the select intelligent few…
well off i go then .. into the wilderness… leaving all my insightful years behind me… and all because i dont want to live work or play in a post osho apocalyptic gathering of neophytes who never actually did what i did…and with whom there is no enduring recognition of the games these newbies are up to…..
i actually laughed my tits off last night…. then the nurse came in and administered me the dont remember who you are drugs…
zzzzzzzzz yah….zzzzzzzz osh…..zzzzzzzzzzz
on the other hand……i do quite like the mental asylum robes in nepal….and if those girls are willing then i’m er ohh very very spiritual… did i ever tell you about my satoris… oh its all coming back to me
uh ohh .. here comes the nurse again..
..’eyy whatt no ? nurse …..i have a mild palpitating heart full of love….yes okay sure no more internet today.. okayy bye nurse..
(see that fooled her…who the hell she think she is …)
ps editors
START A NEW FUCKING THREAD PLEASE…or im going to nepal for some serious shagfest….
XXisess
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/nepal/6632734/Nepalese-villagers-prepare-to-slaughter-315000-animals.html
above
with photo
hey Arun if you are reading this
have a word with one of your minister friends..
And Arun..love your Aura… its almost as big as your arse….
which gets licked by very important people.. you fat hindu twat..
Ritual animal slaughter begins in Nepal
“This is a divine power center,” Mangal Chaudhary, the head priest of the Gadhimai temple, said by phone. “When people wish for a son, a job, good health or anything else come true, they make an offering to the Gadhimai goddess.”
He expects more than 5 million people — 60 percent from India, which shares an open border with Nepal — to attend the festival.
About 15,000 male water buffalo will be slaughtered, up from 12,000 five years ago, said Chaudhary, who is the 10th generation of his family to serve as chief priest.
Water buffalo are slaughtered on the first day, and other animals on the second day.
Government officials say they cannot stop the centuries-old tradition, despite opposition from animal-rights activists from Nepal and India.
“This is a matter of people’s religion and belief,” said chief district officer Tara Nath Gautam, the highest-ranking government official in Bara.
From Martyn’s post, above:
“This is a matter of people’s religion and belief,” said chief district officer Tara Nath Gautam, the highest-ranking government official in Bara.
SD:
Oh well…that’s fine then…No ‘boat-rocking’ needed…Let all the blood flow…
There sure ain’t no beatin’ that ol’ time religion….
Swami Gyan Prakash:
Look like Shantam is only person here who is making clear comments with ideas and contributing answers here.
Swami Aatmo Neerav:
Shantam, you put it all very beautifully. u bring genuineness to this forum. Thank you.
SD:
As long as you two realise what he was agreeing with here, ie:
Shantam Prem (quoting Satya Deva):
Re the point Lokesh made about ‘conceit’, this might well be a common characteristic of ‘upper-to-middle-class’, professional Indians, who, by virtue of their whole upbringing/conditioning in the rigidly stratified Indian caste/class sysyem are led to believe they are ’something special’ in the whole scheme of things…
Another way of describing these people is that they are in a self-created ‘dream’, fuelled by a mix of Indian socio-religious conditioning.
Which they then ‘transplant’ on to ‘Sannyas’ – for their convenience….
Shantam Prem:
Satya Deva,
You have made a very good psychological profile of “we”, the upper to middle class Indians…It is quite to the mark.
Going to see Amma next week in London. If the queue does not get ridiculous may even hug her. What to expect? Probably Samadhi the least….ha ha ha Will update you.
Ok with that, Gyan Prakash, Aatmo Neerav?
Might see you there then, Chetna…
I’ll be wearing, er, trousers, I expect….
Satya deva and Chetna, going for a hug with Amma,
I thought you both have the dedicated and loving partners.
Do their hugs are not enough…???
Everytime a western hug AMMA, back home in India or Kerala, this belief get the strength that rich western are poor in emotional content…Broken family syndrom arose out of multi partner life style.
(it is no joke, Ask any Indie or Paki what they think about west)
Still i will say, any hug from Amma is more sunny than any possible hug from any women of British Royal Family.
It seems too much richness without work makes one dull and dry in the heart Chakra.
The hugs between two individuals, the almost disappered sannyas hugs were the backbone of Osho sannyas.
It was not mentioned in the discourses, but had the seal of approval from the boss, OSHO.
with the doc on the dock, these innocent hugs have disappered from the religious scene, what a beauty when two seekers irrespective of their country and sex simply hug….
i think 50% blame lies on INDIANS. Where even wife and husabnd does not hug properly, gender inequality on the hug scene became imbalance.
Western Ma’s were squeezed all the time and without doubt they were more beautiful and energetic in their below the heart chakra region than we Indians… Corruption” started.
50% blame lies on the upper class docs. and finanacers of Osho management…may be they could not tolerate class structure getting fractured…
Even when they speak about Dynamic instructions, they say as if it is a thesis for Oxford..Love is too far away a thing..
what so ever… demographically speaking sannyasins are in the for front to hug Amma, be it in London, Münich, Winterthur..
Actually, Shantam, in my experience – and I haven’t seen Amma for 2 or 3 years – very few sannyasins bother to go to her.
And I suggest you are yet again, as Lokesh has pointed out, projecting your own problems on to others, when you go on about people only going to Amma due to ‘dysfunctional’ backgrounds or lack of love etc. in their lives.
You see, one thing seems clear about you, sir:
You like to pontificate about and pass judgment on others – often in a rather snidey way – while never having actually experience yourself what you are criticising.
As I’ve said, you’re a mere ‘commentator’, a cafe/coffee pundit, an Indian from a privileged background who thinks he ‘knows’ things.
Fact is, you have no right to be taken seriously unless you know what you’re talking about, so until then, shut up would be what I’d recommend as ‘sadhana’ for you, ‘swamiji’.
Here’s something else for you to ponder:
A hug from Amma is qualitatively different from any hug I’ve ever experienced in my life…
And puts me in an inner space of deep meditation for a lengthy period afterwards.
Not to mention the beneficial effects of being in that energy-field, increasing as one comes closer to the stage where she sits.
Yiou may type whatever bullshine you like, but, for the sake of truth and common sense, keep, please, simply to what you know.
Ok, Swami Bullshiner?
Enough for today….
I loved hugging Mooji, he is so big, warm and strong. And it was only a tenner. With Amma it is free…So why not Shantam.
I am taking my partner with me-thrisome hug! Ever tried!? SD you can join us too….
I will ware a maroon robe just to attract sannyasins!
Christ, I forgot this little ‘gem of bullshit’ from Swami Ignoramus:
Shantam Prem:
Everytime a western hug AMMA, back home in India or Kerala, this belief get the strength that rich western are poor in emotional content…Broken family syndrom arose out of multi partner life style.
(it is no joke, Ask any Indie or Paki what they think about west)
SD:
Hate to disappoint you again, Bullshine, but many of the people at Amma’s London gatherings are, in fact, Asians – yes, Indians, no less!!
once you’ve had energy darshan from osho….
……:
and its a memory now guys ….so dont get jealous….
Prem Martyn I will NEVER compare any Amma with Osho.Just going with the flow, but not to look a for a new Saint like some do.
Begging begging begging…Just for fun
I can’t belive people think that Mooji is an enlnt Master..simply some teacher..and it is beautiful on its own accord.
Open letter to meat eaters sannyasins of osho…………….
DOES A VEGETARIAN DIET HAVE A REAL VALUE FOR OUR CONSCIOUSNESS
Question 4
BELOVED OSHO,WHEN YOU WERE TESTING YOUR ENLIGHTENMENT BY SMOKING, DRINKING ALCOHOL, AND HAVING SEX, DID YOU TRY EATING FISH AND MEAT? DOES A VEGETARIAN DIET HAVE A REAL VALUE FOR OUR CONSCIOUSNESS, OR IS IT OPTIONAL, LIKE SMOKING?
It is not optional. Before enlightenment, it makes you gross, destroys your sensitivity, does not allow you to feel the life that surrounds you. It keeps you blind to the fact that just for your taste, you are killing living beings. Their bodies may be different, but their spirits are not different from yours.Just think of cannibals. Has any cannibal ever become enlightened? Fortunately, it has not happened. If it had happened, the cannibals would have eaten that enlightened man first, just to have a little taste of enlightenment.There is not much difference between cannibals and the people who eat meat and fish; they are all killing living beings. And the person who can kill should not expect his heart to become compassionate, full of love.So before enlightenment, eating meat will prevent you from experiencing the light, experiencing your being. It is not optional.After enlightenment, it is optional, but no enlightened person can eat meat and fish. Not that by eating meat and fish his enlightenment is going to disappear — enlightenment cannot disappear, whatever you do. But the enlightened person becomes so sensitive, so aesthetic, that the very idea of killing somebody just for the few buds on your tongue is simply idiotic.Before enlightenment it is absolutely not optional. After enlightenment, it is optional, but no enlightened person can manage to eat meat or fish. I have tried, but I could not succeed. Fish… I cannot even stand its smell. To think of myself, even in imagination, eating fish, seems to be absolutely impossible. Meat has been placed before me, but I could not touch it. The very idea that life has been destroyed…. And enlightenment is all for life; it cannot accept death just to have a little taste. So it is optional but impossible.I know many of you are brought up in families where meat and fish are normal, routine. You have been conditioned from your very birth to think that God created all these animals for you to eat. And I don’t know why He created you
i really don’t understand why some of you are against these dudes like Swami Raj and Swami Arunski. It looks like they are doing some good work. Ok, so there is an element of acting and theater in their presentations, or performances, but so what? frank, you are a supporter of “entertainment” as the key part of this whole “enlightenment” trip, so why blast Raj for playing the part of the doppleganger as he travels around. He studied his role, and plays it to the hilt.
if i remember rightly in my basic algebra class, we were taught the fundamental lesson:
if a = b , and a = c , then, b = c.
so, inserting the current players into the equations, we would have:
if entertainment is good, and Sw. Raj is entertainment, then Sw. Raj is good.
but, you say the Raj is no good.
this just doesn’t fit with the math here, as far as i can see.
same goes for Arun, though he has taken a slightly different angle to the play…
thanks Anugrah…
i realise i may be an obnoxious fellow to many so called osho lovers… but iwhen you or they declare their love of all life forms , then in me they might recognise some of what osho left behind too….
its not proselytising or holier than thou ism but i dont hang out with meat eaters to get wise or love or sex…
but i admit i am very carnal….
does that make me approve of vegetarians by default…as it says on my facebook well lets say uhm ‘ its complicated’
Chetna, your answers are full with take it easy humour.
Life becomes easy…inner journey too.
It is no body’s intention that Osho sannyasins become Sati” after Osho or live like a typical Indian widow after the death of her God like Husband..
world is full with public figures…Movie stars, footballs stars and their WAG`S, why not to have few 100 watts enlightend beings and Avataras…they harm nobody..
any way..little Indian Burfi, dosa and Sambhar, Intoxicating Kirtan…and a Big MAMA with heart of pure Gold…
she has all right to beleive as an incarnation of arche type divine mother, whereas 7 billion people are born like the running meter of a petrol pump.
first of all apologies for being a heavy blogger to all these last days.. im convalescing at home.. and writing stops me going nuts ..(shut up already!!
so
bob .. here at the osho supermarket i can reply to your question by offering you a choice of answers
you say: ” i really don’t understand why some of you are against these dudes”
Im not… im just having fun … remember being against or for was and is the basis of all therapeutic situations…polarity…
raj is psycho.. and you would hide behind your early morning newspaper if he got on the metro and started jabbering
arun is fine its just that he’s no rebel and cant afford to be…he’s like st paul…full of the blessings of the lord travelling the world in a little boat doing his thing..
they are both great if all you want to get is ….head from the babes
they lack self abuse in traditional venerational style and lack the interpersonal light heartedness of osho… in both quality grace and output… arun is uncle ji ….and raj is crazy cukie neighbour who plays loud punk music.. however they both think an empty osho model will suffice… for many nepalese and ukrainians jumping up and down does.. its better than whats outside the front door……
the photos of their meeting are a dead give away…just add your own subtitles..
if what they are dping is harmless , do you have any peer to peer integrity in your life or would you fuck your filippino cleaner ?
millions of people out there never knew osho or felt his vibe.. ( howsoever an internal projection we wanted that to be )and will never know what that effect that love is physically. ….life is bittersweet like that.. so sell em methodical meditation instead.. its harmless and leads you nowhere… like life.. so what…
if you never learnt what humourless authority structures did to people, read up on second world war british surrealism via spike milligan….and why the germans lost…
if i wanted something from fellow seekers..sex love and laughter i’d go to arun not raj any day of the week… cash on delivery or leave..if it wasnt available …
but sociologically like amma he, arun, panders to the mediocre ..although his net is wide enough to welcome all comers…
neither of them will allow self governing anarchic communes within their headquarters.. neither knows what one is… they are autocrats .. with er love.. very tricky to deal with…but watch their second in commands those whom you have to engage if you want more than a veg buffet lunch
er thats it
back to the convalescence
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bob that ones for you
bob,
i never said brian rajneesh was “bad”.
on the contrary,i told him here at sannyas news that he deserved an oscar for his efforts.
also,i recommended him as a shoe-in for the part in “osho the movie”
further,any man who can be simultaneously meditating in the himalayas and hanging out in a pub in london,has obviously mastered extremely enlightened levels of “sidhis”…
this is the kind of stuff that most people can only dream about and read about in books like “autostimulation of a yogi”
Just watched ‘GURU’ starring Osho, Sheela and Hugh Milne. Osho was playing his part very well, almost like he wasn’t acting. Sheela’s lines were a bit hard to believe at times, but she was a nice looking woman when she was younger. Hugh was great, but don’t take my word for it. Watch the movie
With regards to the annual animal slaughter ritual… this is old news and we had a good catharsis some months ago on another post…. Nepalese – just another arrogant lot, full of denial… justify any barbarous act… no different from the Indians, English, Americans— oh i forgot, they “Think” they are superior -for all of the past enlightened gurus that lived there– stupid ancient shitty thinking, carried on to “modern” times. Another(Ugggh)- famous Osho saying– how religion hasn’t kept up with modern life, technology and science… low and behold– here’s the mirror, Nepal… no matter how many osho ashrams you build, your ghosts you keep carrying around, where’s Rinzai when you need him? Are you reading this Arun? Are you suffering from Alzheimer’s?
Anugrah you failed to read osho’s other comments about eating meat and enlightenment— he commented that it is possible to become enlightened if you you were a meat eater, just that it would be like carrying a heavy ball and chain while climbing a mountain, but it is possible… Eating fruits and veggies it makes a person lighter – energy wise( anyone with a half a brain would doubt this after reading comments posted by the so called osho purists). Which brings one back to the “Osho says one thing and then contradicts himself”, fact…. lesson learned: find out the truth yourself- dip shits. right? sw. dipshit anugrah
Do they (at Tapoban) do the goose-step michael jackson shuffle, before gachamies or after?
P.M i’ve been convalescing at home for the last 10 years– and i’m saner than i ever was…. gotta spend more time in a closet P.M.- works wonders, not just for the skin.
Bob- those are indeed babes in nepalese toyland.. but i’ve been with white chicks that made the nepalese look like bear hounds…. there are babes everywhere in toyland!!!
bubbie
without pushing pammy’s strident vaginism( i spelt that right ? ) theres one little oint here to be made…
animals dont like to be killed…
and it makes us all the more uglier.. in the slaughterhouse and on the xmas table….with the salacious laughter….
yes its all of life …death cruelty suffering survivalism etc….and its simple to discuss but less easy for people, usually adults to act on….
why? does it matter….
to a cow or a goat or a pig or even a chicken… yes it bloody well does…
whether i judge someone and use it against them is another matter for our egos..
now back to the adverts…
A million mongols every day pick up a tin of beans and say…..
The Who.
P.M. Yet, mother/father nature/cosmos gave us these genes… to hunt, to kill for survival.. so now we have this so-called higher consciousness, this higher mind/thought processes… Kind of funny, it’s these same higher thought processes that gets us in deep do-do with the earth/nature and with each other…. Are we suppose to “think” our way out of the “natural” urges, not to eat meat, we just can’t turn these genes off, can we? If the realization not to eat meat has come to a person(usually it means the heart chakra is on fire) well so be it.. it is obvious most humans are not functioning from the heart chakra, and those so-called vegetarians,( like those PETA thugs), are just nazis in sheep’s clothing. Ma Sheela types draped in fancy, colorful cloaks meant to blind stupid people into act in a way they are not mentally/spiritually ready to act. Yes, eat all the veggies you want or eat all the meat you want, but please cut all the bullshit when justifying one’s actions… Nepalese seem to have a pretty good racket when it comes to the bullshit… they are only surpassed by the self-righteous goose-steppers called PETA- whose ranks are occupied by psycho-neurotic, spoiled rotten, white trash of the Euro- American clique. “Eat Meat and prosper”- said Mr. Spock 1967
well … you have to praise him…praise him praise him. gimme that ol time salvation.. and ask for deliverance….
rumi says
The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you.
Don’t go back to sleep.
You must ask for what you really want.
Don’t go back to sleep.
People are going back and forth across the doorsill
where the two worlds touch.
The door is round and open.
Don’t go back to sleep.
whaaaaaa????
anyway
cutting out bullshit from the diet is tricky..
and yu are bang on the nail with the peta activists… i was with them for 3 months ..in virginia. and was literally interrogated as a threat to the stalinist group think …
their actions may well be counterproductive , though it would need a shrink to analyse cause and effect and successful strategy… on a human level though they are fucked in their HQ.. i have emails to prove it…
clear posts by all…marty, frank, and bubbie on the Raj/Arun phenomenon. well said.
misspelling corrected…
Doppelganger.
German:
doppel (double)
ganger (walker)
originally used to connote an “evil” personification of the doubled person, now, in the vernacular, it has come to lose that moral stigma, to some extent anyway….so says the wiki…
here’s arun’s training video for his nepalese prime mininster and army general friends…
he’s thinking of adapting it for use on osho quotes…
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fascist training in any language… even in gibberish!!!
Frankie- i wonder if sw.mr. brian rajneesh -is the reincarnation of the 6th dalai lama- the one who used to patronize taverns and hung out with hookers… also murdered by the mongols when they found out what he was doing. anyway, he’s got that “Mansonesque” look about him, with a touch of mongol madness…. anyone know his bloodlines? Praise the lord!! and pass the prostitutes!!
P.M. that rumi poem-very contradictory isn’t it?– smells familiar….
Bob and Frank: when Arun kicks the bucket, we’ll be seeing Brian’s mugshot all over the Nepal ashrams…. very cunning character this guy…. over here we call gullible people-”Born in Kansas”….. What is the Euro-trash saying? I was going to ask about the Nepalese saying, just no one there with intelligence to think of one…. so is the way of the lord….
here is a picture of Veeresh and Sw Arun at Humaniversity, i found it in one of the gallery pictures on tapoban’s website. its a funny one
http://tapobangallery.com.np/gallery/2010/europe/humaniversity2010/data/images/a_trip_to_osho_humaniversity_0.jpg
i posted it before but got moderated
some gift of joy for prem bubbie and lokesh on this site who seems to always re act no matter what i write …………….i have seen nothing but negative reaction
Signboard outside a prostitute’s house:
Married MEN not allowed. We serve the needy, not the greedy…
New AIDS awareness slogan:
Try different positions with the same woman instead of same position with different women.
Why is Sex like shaving?
Well, because no matter how well you do it today…
tomorrow you’ll have to do it again…
Q: What will happen if earth rotates 30 times faster?
A: Men will get their salary everyday and women will bleed to death.
Q: Why do 90% gals have left boob bigger than right?
A: Bcoz 90% boys are right handed.
Q: What is the difference between a PANTY & a STAGE CURTAIN?
A: When you pull down the STAGE CURTAIN, the show is over, but when you pull down the PANTY….. it is SHOWTIME!
Q: What is the similarity between a wife and a chewing gum?
A: Both are sweet in the beginning but become tasteless and shapeless later
Advantages of having an affair with married women.
They give like hell.
They do not yell.
They do not tell.
They do not swell and there is no wedding bell!
My dad told me that if Adam and Eve were Chinese, we would be still in Paradise .
Why? Because they would have eaten the snake instead of the bloody apple!
Anugrah, if you’re looking for a positive reaction ,try looking up Sheela for a blowjob….mmmm, those big, sweet Indian lips of her’s…. watch out for her big teeth!!!
I remember one gig in north london.. and veeresh hit squad of looney tunes….
it was in a club or something… and someone called out ‘fuck off veeresh’
and his goons got to the mike and said we love veeresh and we’ll knock your head off if you .. etc etc..
veeresh was banned from the UK for about 8 years after an episode involving a sannyassin falling down some stairs.. it could have been innocent but there you go.the law says therapy and stair falling are not compatible….. dont tussle with da man from de ghetto
and hugh milne it cant be THE Hugh Milne who allegedly broke a girlfriends leg with a karate kick in poona 1… no surely not the same .. maybe that was just another urban myth told to me by someone who lived in lao tsu at the time…..
of course i must be mistaken….
and on a similar note
nah … enough allegations…. !!
You wouldn’t be trying to sort of prove you’re, er, ‘liberated’, would you, Mr ‘I don’t like freedom of speech’ Anugrah?!
Tbh, your list of merry quips tends to come across as a bit, you know, ‘middle-of-the-road, ‘old hat’, somewhat juvenile,
Still, perhaps a ‘big thing’ for you though?!
not the same veeresh whose particular humaniversity therapist took a female participant to the bathroom , in between group leading …to give her ‘a special breakthrough ‘
i thought men had to pay for sex… not the other way around?
cut to:
arun and veeresh conversation…..
V. like i say,so yeah,like i`ve just done a coupla Es and smoked a few doobies,and i`ve got got 200 people wanking off in the basement looking at a picture of osho…
A. very meditative….
and what about discipline,one must observe the skandas and not abuse oshos freedom,isn`t it….?
V. oh yeah,right,discipline,sure man,we got `em all to come at the same time,and there were plenty of paper towels and stuff…
A. i see…
V. and this red stuff you put on your head when you`re chanting,man,that looks kinda cool,what do you put in that stuff.?
A. it is holy ash vibhuti…
V. booty?…wow,man,i like that stuff…
looks like you got a bit goin on here too..
na-ma-stay,honey,what you doing after the oshow,tonite?
come and try my nepalese temple balls..yahoo..
A. (annoyed) that`s my consort,my shakti..
V. hey man,ok,no prob…er…you know,osho said,in 200 years time this osho thing is just gonna take off,isn`t that incredible?wow,man go for it,you`re my soul brother man,c`mon let me show you how to have a real hug…..
According to Hugh Milne he ate a lot of choclate boxes in Poona One. A bit of truffle badgering thrown in no doubt. His decription of Osho taking first hits of nitrous through tubes up the hooter is precious.
Osho, ‘Enough, a little more oxygen…..that’s it! Who needs an airplane? I’m flying!’
Yeah…I can relate to that, because flying is a wonderful thing.
warp factor 9 and rising captain…
the zen bull dial up to 11 and counting….
to sum up:
osho was like jimi hendrix…
whether you think he was god,
or just a noisy racket,
whether you`ve got rid of all your old albums
or you`ve still got pics of him on your wall….
one thing is for certain…
the electric guitar will never be the same instrument again….
Veeresh and Arun launch supergroup
Scream
Humilate
Betray
Hug
Pray
Nepali Army meditative manoeuvres
Hob nob with Indian Ambassador
Wank
Start again
Es Dhamo Sanantano—
As Osho has made clear many times, whenever he has spoken about ancient mystics that on one side, he gives contemprary meaning to their saying and on the other side, he hangs His own coat on them. He gets his people from the established names.
Only when one listens His talks on Buddha, it gives the feeling of sincere love and regards, As if Gautama the Buddha is the arche type identity of Osho, as if Osho has the clear wish to project himself as the Buddha of our time.
And this step by step built up confidence was being radiated till the last breath. Something like this I have heard also where he feels thankfullness to have the disciples from all across the world, whereas Buddha was confined to the small Indian state of Bihar and neighbouring Nepal..
Truely Saying, Osho was the first to have seen such magnitude of mutinational disciples in His own life time, whereas most of the other religious movements were spread by the sheer marketing and political power of the disciples.
So whenever i Listen Es Dhamo Sanantano, my ears are extra alert to feel the meaning of Buddha´s sayings, and how cleverly Osho brings himself IN without directly mentioning Him.
Before writing this post, i made the pause after one hour and 5 minutes of 29th discourse, where He speaks about the need of the family and other social enviornement for the human child to surivive, and when such set up is needed for a physical reality to survive, for the spiritual world to unfold one also needs a family of like hearted people and His effort in this direction…..
No need to say, Osho has left very clear blue prints in spoken language and graphic realites…
but than He has also spoken many times, how people were innocent and trustworthy during pre industrial era..and how difficult he finds to work with US, the product of dysfunctioanl familes with a clear cut view to be free from ego so that we can SURVIVE as eternal being…
Me, me and my survival…!!!
prem bubbie, do me big favour , write small , but smart
and always read twice before submit your comment , it will help you and help all the readers who are slowly slowly leaving this site because of you .
i am not leaving by the way because i do not react , i feel sorry for you . it is not even funny what you write .
do me other favour read your last comments , it is always about someone else , not about yourself……….
dear lokesh…
im thinking that the sannyas voluntary brigadistas renegades international platoon needs a visionary statement that will endure give hope and leave a lasting legacy for every human being on the planet….
something a bit more catchy than aes dhammo sanantano but with similar street cred for active and passive meditators….
thanks to shantam for that one….
hows about
The road is long. With many a winding turn. That leads us to who knows where … He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother.
i think there might be a tune with it too…maybe we could all aum it…
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A . every sannyasin must meditate in a disciplined way and not abuse osho`s fre…..
V. so whats this discipline thing,man,like you mean cuffs and whips and stuff in the basement? yeah sure we can do a group like that…
A. no,no,the discipline of meditation and pure living and not over indulging in sex and the taking of intoxicants…….
V. oh right man,of course,you gotta keep those junkies off the dope,i run a rehab,dont forget..keep `em and jumping up and down pretending to be rabbits and stuff,while me and the staff sit in the staffroom getting blasted on smoke and pickin off the lookers for a bit of tantra….
A…it is vital to follow the middle way..
V…sure,man,it`s got to be the middle way for me all the way,lying in the middle of a pile of naked bodies,out of my h…….
A. sometimes i worry that westerners do not really understand meditation…
V. you are so right there,brother,they have all these ideas about sitting in funny postures and weird eastern spooky practices…crazy,man….i just about skin up and watch a few movies,like osho…..
A. it is important that people all over the world will come to accept osho as the sadguru and avatar of the age..
V…wow,you`ve seen avatar?now that is a cool movie,the visuals are just great…..
A..er,yes…..i would like to intriduce you to colonel badass badmash,the chief of police,who will be taking sannyas later today,would you care to hand him this large brown envelope,as is the tradition in our country?
V..sure,wow,man,i love these traditional ceremonies,here,man,badmash,you`re beautiful,man,just say,”i love you” to everyone in the room…..
frank
.. .. its a dream… wake up frank wake up…..
here…. slowly does it….
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frank its okay….you love everyone frank … remember….u said you do.. sure frank.. you do…
spot on frank.
V hey man,who`s this dude with the sarong?he looks kinda familiar…
A let me introduce you to swami rajneesh,who is doing great work all over the world..
V. wow,i`m sure i`ve seen you some place before,something about you just looks so familiar,somehow…
R. yes,my web presence is huge,people everywhere are talking about me,which is strange as there is no “i” to speak about…..
V. no,that`s it,man,that`s it,it was an irish pub in london in the nineties…whassup?
R. if you read my very important and yet modest considering my advanced devotion to the master,book “tears of a mystic bozo”,you will realise that at that time i was in fact meditating very deeply,deep in the himalayas….
V. wow,you mean youre in the bodhisattva gang? respect,man,how do you sit still on a chair for so long,i need to get up,smoke a doobie,have a date,watch a movie and stuff…
A. rajneesh is working despite legal threats and even physical threats from the popes in pune,have you heard.?
V. er…,um…like..wow,man i`m a real fan of your work in the lithuanian electro-shock hospitals,how do you do that? tai chi or irreversable neural damage?
A i think it is time for evening puja..
V. yeah,thanks,i`ll have mine straight,on the rocks…
so,guys about this carve up………
how about some real time interactive audience cyber-digital scripting input, across the pond, in the moment, do you mind me coming into your movie frank….?
Scene 13:
V. …and you know, like, i just have to share….out of my heart…
A. yes, that’s right, the heart chakra, it’s very important…
V. Arun, man, i luv ya man…we have to let out our love man…once, when i was 14, i was a heroin addict, and…i ending up at a place called Phoenix House, in New York City…and i had so much pain inside, that i couldn’t let out…
you know, we all want approval, right….of course, yeah, sure…and it was like…wow….i saw it, you know, i GOT it, in Phoenix House…in New York City….so much pain, so much love…wow man….its crazy….
A. You can come visit our Tapoban Center in Nepal…
V. For sure man…the Himalayas, that would be far out, smoke a little ganga, chill, scope the scenery…aaahhh, hug the mountains, hug the people, don’t hold back….anything man….AAAAUUUMMMMM, love…sharing…i don’t know if i ever told you, but, i was a heroin addict, strung out on shit, jacked up, and i somehow ended up at a place called Phoenix House in New York City, i don’t know if i’ve ever told you this story, but, like, i was fucked up in a bad way, see…and finally ended up with some other junkies at Phoenix House, which was in New York City, and i had to confront my issues man, and like one day, wow, I just saw it, it was like marathon sessions, and then, it was like Zen man, i just got it…that we have to let out our love, and i just hugged the guy next to me, i’ll never forget that, that was Phoenix House, in New York City, ….man, like ….wow, i’ll never forget that….
A. Come visit us at Upaban if you like….
V. Oh, yeah, right, I’ll come for sure, swamiji, those big white clouds, wow…that would be far out man….hey, did i ever tell you the story about how i was strung out on heroin in New York City and……………….
A i remember when i met osho in himalayas,i had had my bicycle stolen,i was so sad,then osho was saying he had lost 94 rolls royces…ah…such non attachment…..a true saint..
V ..i remember when i met osho at the ranch and asked him how to get people off drugs and he said dont worry no need to get em off just get `em to meditate and take drugs till the drugs drop.
i said “wow,thats amazing” and kept on blasting…….
its a great method,i`m still well out of it now!
A
V
R
These are the dialogues!
Somehow the right stuff for Osho World or Viha Connection, instead of Mullah Naserudeen stuff.
Martyn, yeah I can dig it.
Here’s how it is for me right now on Ibiza.
Just came in from my studio. Managed to get a bit of work done on a painting this evening. While I pushed my brush around the stereo was blasting big time. I’ve been downloading some hot tunes lately and at 500 watts a channel that new re-rub of The Stones’ ‘Sympathy for the Devil’ is killer diller. ‘Hope you guessed my name, but whats puzzlin you is the nature of my….’ ‘Hoo hoo hoo hoo’, nothing to do with dynamic meditation.
So right at the centre of the sonic cyclone little ol’ me is turning things over in my mind. My second book is coming out and I’m real excited about that…but no, that’s not I was thinking about. I was thinking about that movie, ‘Guru’ that I watched yesterday evening. Sifting my impressions, one might say.
It was interesting to see how the old man looked back in the early days( full on, a wild glint in his hypno eyes) and how he looked at the end of the ranch. He looked hammered. It was interesting to see how the people changed who were around him also as the years passed. In the early days you had the Indians going all birdy nam nam at his divine tootsies…nothing new there. But when Poona One got rolling the quality off the people went up…people looked happy, sexy, man…some of the babes were mega….and more than anything..intelligent….that is even though it felt like I was watching an orange clad Woodstock a la Hindustan styley. As the years passed the sannyasins began to look like normal people…kinda dumbed down…some definately had puzzled expressions on their faces at Osho’s press conferences…hardly surprising…it was a bit of a confusing time…Osho looked like he’d blown a cylinder head gasket. ‘Jumping Jack Flash, it’s a gas, gas gas…’
Yeah so the Stones are blasting and I thinks to myself, all those Indian sannyasins writing on SN haven’t got a fuckin’ clue. They are trying to make a religion out of what exactly? A load of half-baked ideas it seems to me. Hardly surprising because if the people round Osho were starting to look dumb back in the eighties what do they look like now…even dumber, I suspect.
It seems to me that people just don’t get what is coming down from on high. There is a revolution going on right now and I reckon it is pretty cool. People are getting more self sufficient on all levels. Spirituall I’d say it’s time for everyone to grow up a bit. This old holy guru bullshit trip’s sell by date is long gone. They’ve had gurus in India for millenia and what has it done for the place…it’s still a dump…people shitting all over the place etc. The cry goes up, ‘Enlightenment’ I say forget it because you are not going to get it…it is in effect the ultimate carrot.
The good news is that the creative spirit exists. It made you did it not? Well time to get reaquainted with your maker and you don’t have to practice no mumbo jumbo to tune in to your creator. All you have to do is get creative….even if it is just learning how to make a good cup of coffee. I immerse myself in creativity…I love it…it is my religion and it brings me more in tune with the creative spirit every moment. Jai Brahma!
This is real good news because you can merge with something magnificent and you don’t need anything external to yourself, including gurus…you are fully equiped…it is the very essence of life and it is your birthright to be it. You don’t have a life—you are life…live it and be free.
Time for a cup of typhoon tea I reckon.
A. Here at Tapoban, we see many young people coming in, who have taken illegal drugs, alcohol, wine, and other various things. But after just a month of courses in meditations, they automatically drop these habits, and a different energy arises, as Patanjali and Osho have explained many times in their beautiful talks, which are also available to listen to here in our library — we have many avenues open for inner growth, from all the different paths. Music too from all over the world — Indian bhajans, rock, jazz fusions, hard rap, and various other forms of meditative world music.
V. Woooooow! ……wow! You know, here at the Humaniversity it takes us sometimes years to clean a junkie or hard core alkie out completely from all their addictions, and let the river of love start flowing from their hearts,… their souls. Like, AUM Meditations, Marathon Primal Sessions, Encounter Groups, Boozeria Parties, Tantra Workshops, Art Therapy, Theater Psychotherapy, Hugging Sessions, Satsang with Me on Saturday Nights, Work-as-Meditation.
I don’t see how you do it man, in just one month.
A. With Osho’s meditations, it is possible. They are very scientific and modern in their approach and content. I don’t know why you take so long,Veeresh,at your therapy center.
V. Well, Arunji, it’s like this — to be honest man….first our patients run out of money, which in the first place comes mainly from fencing stolen shit, turning tricks, selling dope, and mooching off their parents….then we put them on a “pay you back with interest” program for some more “advanced” groups, then…..when they are enough in debt to the Humaniversity, we track them into the Therapist Training Programs, which are six levels — Flunkie Junkie,toZen Master 5th Degree Black Belt Therapist of Love — and then, we declare them “Clean”, and put them to work, plough them right back into the Humaniversity Programs as therapists for the next group of Sorry Beginning Losers. See, so that takes 3-4 years at least. But our motto at Humaniversity is “Making a Better World — One Junkie, One Flunkie at a Time”.
Like……….WOW!!!! I started out learning all this in New York City, when I was a heroin addict, and….hey, Arun….hey man, come back man, …Phoenix House, ….New York City…..hey man, you gotta listen to this story man….Arun, come back man…
MC Siddhartha`s last words to his homeys in da buddha `hood:
“get a life unto yourself……..”
Just like any other subject, Spirituality is also a subject and complete unto itself…
There was a time, when few people wanted to have the name made in the world of military science, they had read the heroic stories of great wars and wanted to be one of such heroes.
No one knows what happened, but few of them are running securtiy agencies in their suburbs. No they are not having the franchise. Theirs is one man securtiy service with the answer machine, ” all our operators are busy, please hold the line.”
I think some where in the world, where a Pune one sannyasin has opened a medical practise, just behind the doc´s chair, there is a slogen , ” How a patient can be sick when the doctor is healthy.”
I am what i write.. Mr Anugrah le douche… and if people are leave because of me, that’s just fine, one less stupid and superstitious imbecile the better… what are waiting for…. get a long little donkey…..
Over the years and in particular from living on the ranch and ashrams, most sannyasins can’t take a joke nor do they like hearing jokes- of any kind, never mind dirty,sarcastic ones. “Your feelings maybe hurt, Mr. Spock… so resign, freak”… (Star Trek- as spoken by Scotty to Spock)
leave= leaving; “what are waiting for= what are YOU…” I’m getting sloppy, i think these guys have put the malocchio on me, quick anyone know a witch doctor? Sheela will do in any case.
“Tears of the mystic bozo” great one frankie!! Is he still running for president?
R: Anyone wanna buy a cabin, cheap? Comes with…. can’t think of anything else… oh yeah, some acreage, ocean view, lots of western babes….. 1/2 off if you bring your woman with you….. gotta go now, meet some babes, giggle like a kid, cop a feel, can’t forget my boner pill…
Sheela is not a witch doctor. She pats brain-damaged elderly people on the head for a living and thus the past is forgotten.
Anugrah:
i am not leaving by the way because i do not react , i feel sorry for you . it is not even funny what you write .
SD:
Written like a true Prince of Awareness…King of Comedy…
And Hater of Free Speech!
Take a bow, son!
Shantam Prem
You seem to be busy, now a day. Not seen with your beautiful sermons for a long time.
Love
This site is better than watching a Sam Kinison celebrity roast…. hey Lokesh– just picturing shriveled up old Sheela patting shriveled up old swiss, has me rolling on the floor with laughter….
Yes, Anugrah, take a bow… then shout, “those of us about to die, salute you”!! (Spartacus -1959)… then hop up and down chanting “Hoo,Hoo,Hoo” while holding your balls in one hand while sipping a margarita with the other…. Don’t forget to eat the worm.
Chinmaya… you can catch his sermons on pay per view satellite, I’ve got some free coupons if you want… gotta make a living some how.
.
SD, do not call me son , you SON OF BITCH
You Guys
You think you are all so clever…
Well…
You try and set up an Prime Minister-friendly Ashram in the Himalayas or a Wire Tap in A Guru’s Shower or constantly repeat …An all night Scream and Hug event ..
You think its easy looking into people’s eyes for a long time for a living. Do you think you could do any better ?Longer?With more LOVE?
Some of our brothers and sisters out there in sannyasland actually care about people. They care about the naive lost desperate loveless souls for whom life has lost its spark.Because they know what its like to be one.
They themselves have spent years practising the same things over and over withouth learning anything and all they want to do is pass the same simple experience onto you.OK????
Do you think Veeresh gets anything out of it all? Do you think he likes staying the same after all these years?
Do you think he really wants you to prop up his version of one dimensional neurosis and corporate yea saying.Of course he wants you to want what you want him to want you for.
Do you think Arun has chosen to be an authority on someone other than himself.
Of course he is what you say he shouldnt be.He knows that and wants you to feel this same joy….. of ‘not knowing’.or not having a clue…… loads of people around him want that….
and the point is this..
its
whether you have a bicycle or not…
see ? gettit?spinning wheels? pedals? tyres? indian flag..same.things going round and round.. indian style… with a large crowd of toothy onlookers?
how much more spiritual do you want the picture to be , eh?
And poor old Sheela… she had no idea what was happening….and wants the people around her to feel the same way…
You know after all Osho has given us, its a shame that some of you just dont allow yourselves to just be grateful for once..
grateful you know like
thanks to all hierarchical community leaders
for setting up a religious seekers community
a therapy centre of screamers
an old folks retirement home
you never know one day you might need them too
if you ever get tired of your own company and crave wanton adulation
just think about that…
next time someone asks you to spare a penny for the caring commune leader…dig deep into your pockets and
RUN LIKE HELL
Frank I enjoyed your imagination. All those conversations that you made up are very funny and creative. you are a perfect celebrity worshipper i can see. and please dont be offended, i am saying it in a good way.
anyways since you are trying so hard to get to what they must have talked about. I’ll make it easier. Here is an interview of Sw Arun from Zouddha.com.
http://www.zouddha.com/video_arun_last.htm
In the program Chai with Nirmaan Sw Arun converses and answers Nirman in California, Antioch. Its quiet an interesting interview. There are other interesting interviews on the website where Nirman has talked with Veeresh, Ma Neelam, Sw Chaittanya Keerti, Aneesha, Sw Rajneesh, Ma Dharma Jyoti, Krishna Prem, Margot Anand, Maniko etc.
Now you don’t have to stretch your imagination so far. Congratulations you’ll now get a peek into their lives. My word…Arent you lucky, your dream just came true!!!
prem martyn is such a joker :p
Prem Martyn like many others are so full with themselves that it is not possible to look from a distance.
For example, this Nepal sannyas scene( I hope this thread comes to an end soon).
Will it take much stretch of an imagination that socio cultural, religio-political environment in Nepal is almost 180 degree different than than any part of Europe.
Even as an Indian, i can think about Nepal in terms of children labourers working as domestic help in many Indian houses, or the night watchmen on the streets or the prostitutions, still much poorer than their counterparts from Armenia, Ukraine etc.
Also Nepali soldiers have given their life for the queen´s Britain as it was the only job option to fight the other people´s war as their own. Most probably the most deserving candidates to have permanent residence status in UK.
Nepal, which was in the grip of civil war for more than a decade and before that more than two centuries of ego centric and selfish monarchy, only through God´s will and Shiva´s grace people were clearing their karmic debts and credits.
Without doubt, in his country, through His interpretation of Osho´s sannyas, Arunji is creating a self reliant and vibrant community in Nepal, whose confidence index has taken a boost through Osho. Meditative issues aside, it has helped young Nepalies in their persuit for higher academic education in western universites. No doubt, out of this gratitude, they will spread red carpet for “their “Arunji.
I will not go on writing against the ashram bosses in Pune if they live and create their Osho interpretation in their socio cultural enviornment.
But they have chosen the easy and most selfish way, being closer to Osho as functionaries they have almost hijacked the multi dimensional vision, and turned into a dull and grey as the whether of UK or Canada. How one can accept from a refrigerator to work as a grill or oven?
I would not have dared to raise a finger if the target seekers would have appreciated the changes and resort was a big success.
This is also not the case…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328904/Chinese-vase-sells-51-6m-lying-decades-Middlesex-home.html
Just a vase, how so ever beautiful it may be, even it i smade by the God´s own hands, cannot be worth of 51.6 million pounds.
Still a chinese has purchased the peace of his culture and tradition for this mind boggling price.
I think, whenever some one grows in his present, a sense of gratitude arises out of no where, for the roots. A sense of pride overwhelmes for the heritage.
A vase is still a vase..
If i have money, this much money,51.6 million UK Pounds, i wish to buy those few hundred square meters of area once known as Buddha Hall.
To restore it and surrunder this to the seekers following Osho´s liniage.
This area where Osho has shared His last years with a house full gatherings of seekers; His people, is the ROOT, the fundamental, the foundation.
Shantam asks: How one can accept for a refrigerator to work as a grill or oven?
Ehm….very deep. Perhaps one of life’s greatest questions.
In the movie ‘Guru’ there is a point in the film where the old boy is doing a drive by in a Roller and sannyasins are placing flowers on the bonnet of the car.
Cut to Sheela, talking about Bhagwan in the present tense. Her words described her beloved master and how, when he noticed that people were placing flowers on his car, he thought it would be a good idea to have someone selling flowers before he did a drive by. Sheela smiles and recollects fondly how Bhagwan always was business-minded.
Now if that does nor drop a penny on any number of levels in your head I deduce that you are useless at arithmatic.
A very altruistic Shantam says: If i have money, this much money,51.6 million UK Pounds, i wish to buy those few hundred square meters of area once known as Buddha Hall.
To restore it and surrunder this to the seekers following Osho´s liniage.
Apart from showing that Shantam has a very generous heart and that he can’t be bothered using a dictionary, this comment is in a way highly symbolic.
The word lineage is usually employed when speaking about descendents from one ancestor. Of course Shantam is referring to something that was left or handed down by Osho. But what exactly that something is, is none too clear. Shantam, for instance, believes himself to be doing Osho’s work by posting a lot of utter nonsense on this site that only idiots like Chinmaya (the flatterer) appreciate. Osho left his dream but did that dream have anything to do with writing endless outpourings on SN. The answer is of course ‘no’. The dream that he left is open to interpretation but there is no way that a highly inteligent man like Osho would have wished for a human being like Shantam to waste his time like he is doing.
So, Shantam, what exactly is this lineage that you are talking about?
SHANTAM, (AND ALSO FOR MANY OTHERS HERE)
I like what you write but sometimes you are too prejudiced or full of assumptions. I don’t expect that at least from you.
I really don’t understand what you mean by “Meditative issues aside, it has helped young Nepalies in their persuit for higher academic education in western universites. No doubt, out of this gratitude, they will spread red carpet for “their “Arunji.”
It is not only false but in fact in a way very funny and stupid and insulting also. I dont know how everyone gets this idea. I would like to know what you mean by that. atleast you could provide me with examples. Please be well detailed about ur assumptions.
And of course Nepal is a poor country with a very rough political scene but the sannyas community here is one of the richest even compared to the West, India doesn’t even come in the comparision. I have been to some of the Indian communes and centers and the situation there is so pathetic, mostly dependent on some rich donor and frequented by these pathetic jobless loosers, perverts and escapists, and such a low participation of female sannyasins. I have never had a good impression regarding the sannyas community in India, specially the qualitative aspect regarding everything. way below OSHO standards.
There are about 70000 sannyasins here in Nepal and more than 80% are below 30 and all of them have bachelor and masters degrees and are financially independent people. (i tell you this from the database we maintain through the forms filled before sannyas) Even if you go to the most rural part of Nepal, you will find that the Osho community is very rich everywhere and its all because of the lifestyle that the Osho people choose to live, I think its a revolution that Osho has brought in the whole psychological conditioning of the East that worships poverty and this revolution it is quiet evident atleast in the Nepalese sannyas community.
All the centers and communes are self sustained and are run by mainly young people (the staffs or volunteers) In Tapoban 85% of the residents, workers and volunteers are jobholders in the city and even the remaining 25% in the commune are either students, or old retired professionals with thier own financial independence. Its almost a shame in the Nepalese sannyas community to be economically dependent on others so everybody is well established in the world or is at least trying to.
And i don’t understand why so much of jealousy regarding VIPs, industrialists, politicians visiting the communes here in Nepal. Whats wrong with that. And all these allegations that we feed them with stacked brown envelopes only shows the pathetic tacky jealous sick prejudiced minds behind them. Nobody can see the strong impression that Swami Arun and the sannyas community have created on the society around, which can be only be responded with respect and dignity.
Here you ll find sannyasins everywhere from courts to ministries to schools to business companies to colleges to Shops to anywhere and everywhere. Ask Pune, we are their best clients, regarding purchase of Osho’s books every month and we are quiet successful in spreading them in Nepal also.
All these statements that you make have no base and truth in them at all. So with all due respect I DENY what you say, specially what you say above. And please stop judging us as a country, Osho Tapoban is an OSHO COMMUNE and should be compared with Osho communes only and in that case we are one of the most influential, rich, powerful, educated and thriving Osho community in the whole world. Its not a matter of pride but a matter of dignity.
And yes of course many of our sannyasins from Nepal go to some of the most reputed colleges and universities in the West, some of my sannyasin friends that I know, are in Vassar, Browns, The Ivy League colleges, Smiths, Hampshire, Columbia, St Stephens in India, NYU , Harvard etc but its not because Arun Swami helps them to get in these colleges, I m sure i dont have to prove to you that he doesnt have time to write our personal statements or give our SATs, ofcourse he does have an influence on the sannyas community here and that influence means that its not just about meditation and all the spiritual energy but being a sannyasin here also means that you have to be hardcore strong in the world also, its almost a matter of shame if you are not.
I woud’nt have cared if this was coming from these hocus pocus tom dick harry losers like Bubbie, Martyn or Frank here but as I consider and respect you as an intelligent analyst , i thought it was my responsibility to make things clear to you.
Neerav, I don’t doubt your sincerity for a moment, but I have to inform you that you are wasting your time addressing a comment like this to Shantam. You are trying your best to be magnimonious but to describe a deluded fool like Shantam as an intelligent analyst is stretching it a bit….to say the least.
The man speaks through a hole in his head that he calls a mouth. It is significant that you ask him what he means by saying things. I just asked him the same thing. I suspect that he does not have a clue about what he means at least half of the time. His writing behaviour on this site is pathological. I can’t take him seriously and i suggest that you examine your personal motives for taking him seriously.
Shantam, is SN’s village idiot, nothing more, nothing less. Don’t waste your time trying to relate to him like a rational being, because that is something he is not. In the role of village idiot he is absolutely perfect. Leave it at that.
hahahahahahhahahahahaha Lokesh,
yeah i almost lost it at his statement. it was very low life and soooo untrue. so i thought maybe he is misguided or something but now ill just play it cool and aloof.
thanks.
Let’s not forget: Shantam Prem is a 40-plus year-old qualified lawyer…..
Food for thought, eh?!!
Satya Deva:
Anugrah:
i am not leaving by the way because i do not react , i feel sorry for you . it is not even funny what you write .
SD:
Written like a true Prince of Awareness…King of Comedy…
And Hater of Free Speech!
Take a bow, son!
.anugrah:
SD, do not call me son , you SON OF BITCH
SD:
Spoken like a true ‘non-reactor’ !
Anugrah (remember the name!):
Prince of Awareness, King – and Connoisseur – of Comedy,
Hater of Free Speech!
Take another bow, son! Encore!
Any chance of some partner swapping tantra then…i’d stop feeling like such a loser…..
I’ll throw my car keys in the centre of the room…..
anyone else…
shantam….
those arent your car keys…
you ride a single seat moped…
……..
oh hello … mmm yes i love oshoooooo mmm yess closer hunny
So its curry flavour erm… chocolate boxes tonight… nice…
Change from the bottom up is always good
whaaat?
you want the tantra instructions for my girl…
oh sure yes sorry..
just poke ,lick and double partner penetration…..you know osho advanced tantra style
…
it usually works….
in a real commune…
mind out…
no really ….mind out… here comes the prime minister…
no he cant join…
he needs to iron his suit first…
oh thats not his suit…
sd…
just how much did you win… and
can you prostate yourself with Amma.as well as hug..as here at the osho supermarket they’ve run out of pretty prostrates and they are looking further afield
ps as you may have read apart from being a loser im also…
a spiritual loser seventh grade…. studying farm engineering Bangawhore University near to Osho centre .. you know the polite religious one
Let’s not forget: Shantam Prem is a 40-plus year-old qualified lawyer…..
Food for thought, eh?!!
Hey, come on Satya, that’s not food for that. Take myself for example. I have a Ph. D in economics and I’m struggling right now. Anyone want to buy buy a Ford Mustang with only 70,000 kms on the clock. Due to the amount of gas that thing uses that is hardly surprising. Forget that comment….it’s a wonderful car.
My problem is that I am too honest for this cut throat world. Donations welcome. Please deposit all funds in My USB account no. 4524232526665gniekoj-.
Thanks a lot Neerav for correcting the facts. Words, provocation of the words create the right atmosphare for the truth to emerge.
I have not the zero percent intention to claim my words are coming from the sky, as if existence itself is pouring through me.
Such kind of downright ARROGANT AND NARCISSISTIC wishes and claims, i wish never to make.
I have never been to Nepal though i have immense love for the Nepali people, and have always felt touched by the smiles of those kids called “Bahadur”, who seems to be somehow sweeter than the kids of their house owners.
Secondly, my piece in the morning was in the intention to bring the work of Arun ji in contrast to what my other co contributors are writing about.
As you have stated the facts with best of your intention and belief, it also proves my hypothesis that Master´s work can get roots and wings through the behaviour and strength of disciple´s character rather than Books.
If 70,000 sannyasins exist in the cream of Nepali society, much of its contribution goes to Arunji, His inspiring presence and a good patriarchal attitude.
I don´t think all these people took sannyas for Osho, but the Osho presented by Arunji and His team.
and no doubt networking takes place.
For example, a young Nepali studying in one of the universities, you have mentioned with the names will have more homesickness than a Sannyasins because the pear group is around.
And if i am such Nepali sannyasin, who came in contact with Osho through Arunji, i will do also the same passionate work as you are doing, and will not hesitate to put Arunji´s photo also on my study desk.
While writing this, i was also thinking to check who you are and how you look on the facebook. Like the love affairs, notes sharing on the way play also a role in the inner and outer journey. If i visit Osho´s Nepal, it will be more because of you than Arun ji, similarly, my eyes will look for Lokesh in Ibiza, SD in London and Bubbie…where ever he is..
I have come across your blog, but not much info. about you.
http://oshoinme.blogspot.com/
as some of you may have noticed in fact i am extremely narcissistic and very arrogant…
does that preserve me a place in a commune or exclude me…?
im not sure how to handle that one…..
while im looking at my ego… could you take your hands off my girls tits…
thanks
You watch your ego..someone´s hands on your girls tits..here hands are also not lying idle…
Watching ego is quite an ardous job… work hard, don´t lose the pateince. Next life God will reward you a plump post as His ambassdor.
And you give hugs..not as a south Indian Amma but Victoria Secret´s model….
God is great..so is His compassion…
Here hands…..both are on the key board..
I mean Her hand(s)
Her hands, Martyn´s girl hands..does she carry nail polish??
News Flash..
In a revolutionary statement from the Peoples Militia for the Transformation of Nepalese Society through Meditation , we declare the following.
Every morning facing the rising sun and with arms linked with our comrades er fellow seekers
We will search high and low not shrinking from our revolutionary endeavour to bring more than just a decent meal to our fellow nepalleesee
we will bring them far superior joys
a democratic new vision…
where everyone has the same rights
the right way to talk
the right way to meditate
the right way to adulate
the right way to lick arse
the right way to keep your mouth shut
the right way to fool some of the people some of the time
( but not all the people all the time)
the right way to collectively oblige people to your own standards in the name of beatific appointment
..(long after osho left us all to get on with it)
the right way to pull together as a nation of secret mala wearing accountants
look they are coming down from the foothills in their thousands… comrades.. put down your weapons.. yes jumping is the way..
jump up…
then …
and oh hello comradess… i love your military fatigues.. u nepallee women are such fighters… come here my sweet oh yes i love mao tse tung and
end of news flash…
one thing about the sheela story that has baffled me
is that,as a convicted attempted murderess and serial poisoner…
she managed to open an old folks home in switzerland…
the swiss authorities were not bothered?
could they have been ignorant?
i happened to have a interesting conversation with a criminal pathologist,not long ago,and she told me that poisoning is the type of offence that is considered in some ways like paedophilia,that is,that the offenders almost always re-offend and full re-habilitation is not common-very low statistically.
also,the pathologist opined that having been caught,it would usually be considered extremely likely that there had been many other offences in the past that hd gone unnoticed…
and here is sheela handing out pills for 25 years to old,vulnerable folks…
extraordinary,really…….
the psychological profile of a serial poisoner is also is very much linked up with compulsive deception, patholgical lying and huge levels of denial…
unfortunately all this would make sheela a bit of an unreliable witness…
which is a pity…
plus as an ameteur sleuth myself,i would say that she is probably hooked on prescription drugs, to keep the old shadow at bay……
she`s got that “look”
frank..
the nice way neerav apparently compliments you with the left hand whilst taking it away with the right is an old sai baba ash trick… personally i think tommy cooper was better at the laughs with the same gag…
ps ive lost my car keys whilst on a visit to a dutch commune
pps is brian rajneesh planning to appear on Britains Got Talent.. ‘ tonite simon i’d like to impersonate an Indian Guru ‘
Martyn, you mention the great British fakir Tommy Cooper, one of my first spiritual teachers. His statement ‘Just like that!’ has given me fortitude in even the most ardous of times. May Shri Tommy forever be blessed with laughter in the afterlife. I still wear the red Fez that he bestowed upon me on the night I was initiated into Cooperism. Now I will perform the famous disappearing trick by say the magic words.
Halla booloo baba doo doo. Just like that!
i am that
thou art that
jus like that
advaita for laughs
the only way to play it!
sufi master tumi kupaar…
24 carrot wisdom for living….
a man goes to the doctor and says
“i`ve broken my arm in several places”
the doctor says:
“well,stay away from those places..”
or tommy cooper,the taoist…..
a man goes to the doctor and says:
“my arm hurts when i do this (lifts his arm)
the doctor says
“well dont do it,then”
frank, on the MO of serial poisoners:
“…compulsive deception, patholgical lying and huge levels of denial.”
sounds to me like the profile of most Sannyasnews posters.
hehehehe…bob..
i am that
thou art that
jus like that!
martyn,
you are right.
but as the compliment was with the left hand and these guys are dyed in the wool neo-hindus…..
what else to expect?
“most influential, rich, powerful, educated and thriving Osho community in the whole world”
Ahh I do not like this statement. Sounds like the House of Parliament rather than an Osho commune. Ugly!
Neerav, you have not been in the whole world and your comments on Indian communes are rubbish. You KNOW how many good communes there are with much better standards than Tapoban. The fact that Tapoban is not necessarily friends with those communes is another matter.
And to put the facts straight, when I came to Tapoban 5-6 yrs ago there were hardly any people even living there. And things started moving since trips of Arun sw to the West, as far as I’ve understood.
And those number numbers of people taking sannyas is another marketing campaign. Most of the those sannaysins do not even remember now that they took sannyas. And moreover, in Nepal this number is not surprising. What else there to choose from? Many people come on Sat to Tapoban to look at Western girls (like in any Indian commune) and nothing else.
Shantam-dawg: with all of those millions I’d buy and burn the resort down, as i’ve stated dozens of times already…. india needs more living space for those billions of people who just can’t stop fucking without condoms or vasectomies… building another shanty town will be more profitable in the long run… as per osho always looking to make a buck…. so the resort masters should make a killing if they were to sell it to some developer…
poor chap is obviously used to being listened to and taken seriously in his “religious” world…
probably got a big robe and a big beard which impresses the xyz tom dick and harry tappers…
and thinks shantam is an”intelligent analyst”
unless the nepalese have some kind of ultra-dead-pan humour thing going on….
i`ve heard more sense out of guys with full frontal lobotomies….
neerav: i see the sannyas application forms have gotten more detailed questions for the prospective applicant…. way back when i took sannyas, i don’t recall, having to state one’s education level, bank account, and yearly salary… now i know who they’ll call whenever those places go into debt, to bail them out… do they also ask whether you’re sterilized or what sex positions are favorites? send some of those ma’s over to my place- i’ll show them
chetna …
im in love….
you go girl!!
…with bubbie
“many people come to tapoban on saturday only to look at the western girls..”
sounds like they might need one of veeresh`s wankathons in the basement……..
their phds and diplomas might actually come in useful…
to wipe up with………
as i always say…
red robes dont hide a red neck
and
white robes dont hide white stains…..
Prem, I though you are love?
“one thing about the sheela story that has baffled me
is that,as a convicted attempted murderess and serial poisoner…
she managed to open an old folks home in switzerland…
the swiss authorities were not bothered?
could they have been ignorant?”
frank,
if that story baffles you, try this one for a bigger baffle:
the Osho ma that was one of the main designers of the murder plan on Oregon District Attorney Charles Turner,(Australian Shanti Bhadra, aka Jane Stork, etc.) was extradited back to Oregon about 5 years back, run through the US judicial interrogation and court system, and LET GO
scottfree, with absolutely NO punishment or time served. For attempted murder! On a US District Attorney! Who worked in the state of Oregon in legal cases against the Rajneeshees!
Seem more than a bit odd to you?
Methinks….something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Many of us here in the states know the judicial system is corrupt, for a nice price , even serious crimes are dismissed, not that unlike of ndia and other east countries… just that we’ve figured out how to be discreet about it, not like the blatant and arrogant coppers and judges in the east… time and again.. the rich and connected get away with everything except murder. the only straight and narrow way in doing business seems to be in New Zealand and the scandinavian countries…. any clues?
only thing is Bubbs, is that shanti b was neither rich nor connected. Disconnected was more like it. So you go figure….
Chetna,
Your kind of gutsy women were needed during Osho´s life time too, who could dare to stay Stop, whenever road blocks were broken.
It is nice to see that you are not allowing the emotions to distract the facts.
Western women are the biggest brand amabassdor for any Indian guru and sub cults around him. Western bring the creditibilty, if these educated and rich people can follow a man, he must be having wisdom.
Only in the last few years a thought is also getting momentum, that don´t take their attention too seriously, because they can follow anybody as long as the season lasts.
Bob- could be the “authorities” don’t want the skeletons from their closets to come tumbling out… there was a deal struck with osho’s lawyers for him to leave scott free… the charges being dropped were done so by Bush’s government, and only by the higher ups approval… loved to had been a fly on that wall when that happened….. “compulsive deception, pathological lying….” seems I’m quoting from your previous post…. very contagious, these “diseases”.
Hey Chetna- do you have pic? I’ve gotta photo printer, Just want to hang your pic on my wall… Con/Sin clothes no matter. even with Amish fashion; i’ll take anything….. P L E A S E !!!!
Bob– are we sure she didn’t get a cut from sheela’s stash? Gotta be some bucco bucks hidden somewhere
Neerav, thank you for the updates.
“most influential, rich, powerful, educated and thriving Osho community in the whole world”
I wouldn’t use all those adjectives. But yes I agree with what you are trying to come up with here.
I am a German ma and I have been to some very good centers and Osho places. I like what they are doing but what I saw at Tapoban and what I felt with Arunjee last summer, I didnt find that anywhere. He is an amazingly ordinary man with a lot of simplicity and also a true Osho lover.
I have been to the Humaniversity and have done groups with other Western intimates of Osho whose names I wouldn’t want to take here because I really respect and cherish what they have given me. I have also been to many Indian centers when I was in India last summer. Except for a few major communes run by old Osho sannyasins, most of the sannyas scene there is very gross and sad.
The sannyasin’s group and community that has developed in Nepal around Arunjee can not be compared with any other places. As you put it, the quality of lifestyle that these people have in the commune actually shocked me because I thought Nepal is a really poor place but when I got so many facilities that I would only expect at Osho’s Pune I was more than grateful.
I have been to Osho Risk in Norway, to Zorba Studios in Atlanta, Venwoude in Holland and from all these places got really beautiful gifts that I cherish. But if I really want some amazing Osho energy and a permanent lasting transformation I would choose Tapoban. And I love Arunjee’s sannyas celebration, its just like those darshans we used to have with Bhagwan.
Regarding the comment by Ma Chetana, I am quiet surprised with what she write. Ma what I think is you are one of those foreign mas who used to come with so many expectations and dreams of getting to the top but when the Bhagwan used to hit them hard they turned into another Calder. Your complains show that your dreams were badly shattered and expectations bruised in Osho’s commune in Nepal.
You are the types like Shantam puts it so well here, “because they can follow anybody as long as the season lasts.”
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html
are you a cult above the rest..?
recognise group behaviour ?
a veeresh indoctrinee?
an aryan arunnite?
a dead guru groupie…?
a brian rajneesh wannabe…?
a Punite pretender?
veeresh -denny yuson- took synanons model to develop phoenix house in uk and become its first director.
A person’s personal affection for their guru/ friend real or imagined is their affair..
their corporate public dependent image/ business /social service/love depot/ empire/world salvation is mine
that is why i dont take corporate messages personally…
and why personal mumblings i take care not to take at all..
any more news chetna?
nice to hear of the independent roving reports…
Prem Martyn,
After wasting much of your youth around a Chrishmatic Indian guru, i can understand the sense of loss and betrayal.
Without these wastage years, there was always a possibility to have a govt. job, to have the proper wife, two three children, a dog and proper sex life in the suburban detached porperty.
ANd to satisfy the inner cravings, few hours per years for the Free Tibet movement, and once in three years, 35 seconds hug from Amma, specially when the wife has asked for the divorce….
To follow a guru is too expansive a youthful folly.
So i have gone through the nice points of Orange papers. I have tried to click on the name orange to find out who this person is, doing such a charitable work to make others free from the guruism and the cults around.
At the end of the site, there were two signs, to give a little hint about the man behind this elobrate site.
“One Free Tibet” logo and another the clock showing the deaths in the Iraq conflict.
I wonder, why this guy has not mentioned Dalai Lama as one of the cult leader. and what were Buddha or Jesus…the gurus of their time, who have been turned into one of the biggest salvation brand of human history.
I just wonder, why people hesitate to put every single garbage of its kind in the garbage bin. why to protect a certain kind?
May be the emotional attachment with the old and dry chunk of bread from a certain bakery…
But than this is the way, everybody else is doing…
yes but i had energy darshan shantam.. and all you got was a video…
its okay shants you were studying legal chicanery…
and
im still wasting my time
now who wasted their time?
erm… My post is not about tibet or iraq..
but it is about checks and balances ..( and not specifically financial either..)
of which in osho supermarket there are none in the models… not because of any specific enlightened instructions to avoid accountability , but simply because of adopted mores and patterns of conceit…
so thanks for the conversation on probity.. including catholics , unemployment and the disappearing rainforests.. but i prefer to stick to the subject…
collective bollox in the name of love and sold as venerable in the public domain by worshippers or those with special siddhis is not my ball game…
never was….
especially when fun at their expense is… my ball game…
but i agree on one thing..
its not as important as cancer, cruelty, or meat eating… ,which are also linked as a subject……
Martyn, Do you have some knowledge about the person, who created this orange papers.org site?
I cannot understand why Free Tibet Banner on this site.
Earth may die in some black hole but Tibet has become part of the China, it will remain so.
At the most cultural atanomy…may be in next 50, 60 years, when the tailors and shoe makers of the world will develop some inner values too.
Checks and Balances..
may be the spokesperson of Osho Nepal, Swami Aatmo Neerav can shed some light, what check and balances are being adopted in the communes around Arunji?
i mean the role of sex, money and control…
and when the founder leaves the body, will the vast expansion will be treated as private property controlled by the blood relative or there is some provision for Inner circle?
What so ever.. i hope Pune example can be the eye opener for everybody who are willing to invest their money and time to create Utopia..the abode of Newmen and Women..
sorry shantam .. i dont know about tibet…
all i can say was that last time i was in dharamsala at the age of 21 when i was a pretty boy .. a tibetan lama wanted to see my cock .. and all i had was a bad cough….
its amazing how wide slitty eyes can go…
then he rubbed his face in my beard…
free tibet ??
what for medeaval subsistence poverty stricken farmers to donate to their fascist buddhist overlords…
well if thats what they want…
its none of my business..
a thousand and one thank yous
what an amazing service you provide
I am utterly hooked on this soap opera
i spent two days reading your discourses
from June to the present
what a ride
get yourselves a publisher
do the radio play
get Chris Morris to direct the movie
a stocking filler book of 101 most elightentertaining quotes would also be welcomed
and remember:
there’s no time like the pleasant
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bill clinton goes vegan
I know, if i drop meat eating, i will lose weight, that 8 kilos more on my belly, and therefore will have more feel good energy around my body.
But i really doubt that vegetarians are better and senstive and more evoloved human beings.
This i also know, most of the religious heads are vegetarians, but whether they got the franchise from the allmighty or they are self appointed messangers, will always remain a mysterious question.
So one day, when i spend more time in India than in German, i will have automatic reduction of meat by 75, 90 %, even when i turn out to be 100 vegetarian still i will not undermine the meat eaters and brand them as cruel.
As i know…95% of the money lending business in rural India is controlled by vegetarian families, their exubarrant interest rate is the cause of many suicides.
Most of the sannyas enlightends are also vegetarians by birth, not to have that kind of enlighentment…may be i prefer to remain a little bit meat eater..
To good, to pious people are too greedy, too arrogant and less innocent…i have few such people in my family.
thanks shantam..
love from
antony the thoroughbred stallion
josephine the docile friendly pig
albert the old donkey
johanna the soft eyed holsteincow
and all your friends.who really think
you are very convincing
Ehm…er…what’s wrong with The Cult? I thought they were a great band. I enjoyed joining the cult at their Sonic Temple concert. I don’t understand why anyone would object to their no holds barred rock n roll. I was never a groupie but I once had a girlfriend who was…Suzie Creamcheese. Maybe you know her.
“But i really doubt that vegetarians are better and senstive and more evoloved human beings.”
One thing is certain meditation improves, the body becomes lighter and more sensitive when one becomes vegetarian. I think it is always best to try properly and see the results for yourself and your type of bosy. I stopped meat because of Dynamic and the results were almost immediate-less anger and aggression during the second stage. Certainly I am now more sensitive to smell, sound and light. But this can be even a disadvantage in the big city like London. You even start feeling everyone’s emotion around you… ahhhh that’s terrible.
However, now I feel like I will fly where the wind blows. There is is less heat, less energy and less grounding in the body for sure.
So I am not quite sure what is the best way. I started eating fish just to see the difference.
Chetna and Satya Deva how was the experience in The Great London Hug Marathon 2010?
The caravan has reached at Mannheim Germany.
One of my friend was insisting to drive with her to the event, and when i told her such things are not part of my inner world, she was upset, ”
Das göttliche ist viel in amma, auch in Dir, wie kann sie nicht Teil Deiner inneren Welt sein??
(the divinty is much in amma, also in you, how can she not be part of your inner world??)
not possible..
may be not of your mind…
Few compromises are too difficult, even the sex n love package is too alluring!
If meditation is first and last freedom ,than the attraction for opposite sex is first and the last bondage…
Mr. shantam, nice to hear from you about Tibet and the dalai lama-ding-dong… We had discussed this topic not too long ago(my opinion was trashed for the most part). To restate- the dalai lama is a FAILURE!!! His “Free Tibet Nonsense, is/was a PR campaign for him to regain his old post in Tibet. He schmoozed with known Nazis sympathizers, fascists, fascists disguised as capitalists disguised as Democracy advocates(particularly in the U.S.), not only schmoozed but close friends with them. Every politician,-the Lama is a politician btw-, needs a platform, an idea to wrap themselves around.. Free tibet was/is the ding dong’s platform, but you see in the mid ’90′s China opened it’s door to capitalism and as fast as the door opened, most of the dear dalai’s deceitful, dysfunctional darlings abandoned him to don the commie pinko colors of red and gold(no, they didn’t apply for sannyas, but close). Greed, Greed Greed…. And what to say about his
“Oracle”, the creepy old guy that sits by the dalai’s side during the religious ceremonies? He’s a failure,too, for the dear dalai looks to him for advice, since he goes into to a so-called trance and finds the answers, from the heavens!!– . For 35 years this guy told the dalai to find anti-communists friends and have them help him regain power(yes, even through force). Fast forward to the ’90′s- he then changes his mind and tells the dalai to be friendly with the chinese… Wa happun? I think Alzheimer’s is wa’ happun’.. the old oracle’s brain turned to putty- not unlike Ronald Reagan( a dalai friend)… With friends and advisers like these, why bother keep on keeping on…. These friends of his were only interested of one thing… to exploit him for their own personal gain…. Shows me the dalai is a damn douche bag… kick the bum out!!!
Shantam- repeat after me…”Greed, Greed, Greed- Shall set one free…” 1000 x a day for 100 days and you’ll achieve more than just enlightenment. Guaranteed to get you millions of Euros and laid or a trip to the Tabopan funny farm. (Offer not valid in India, China, Antarctica).
Dalai Lama Ding Dong(song from “Animal House- 1978)
lokesh
suzie cream cheese??
home made tofu spread surely…? you need your mother for these culinary inventions ?
” Then, in January 1990, Vaclav Havel appointed Frank Zappa as “Special Ambassador to the West on Trade, Culture and Tourism,” much to the disgruntlement of U.S. Secretary of State, James Baker, who is famous for declaring: “You can do business with the United States or you can do business with Frank Zappa.” Still, Vaclav Havel’s friendship with Frank Zappa grew, ”
Havel for emperor!!!!!!
shantam,
your german friend is a good exanple of cult mentality.
if you do not accept amma as god,it some how reflects badly on your relation to divinity…
familiar isnt it?
Frank, it seems till one is not raped in the feelings, cult mentality lingers on with us.
And i am utterly thankful to Osho as In His communes, the darkest feelings also became transparent, and as a result thousands of people went into a cult behaviour and came out also, most probably for ever.
It is almost like what is said in Hindi,” Rati ke baad ka Awsad” (despair after the coitus)…
where as in all the other cults, devotees are not allowed to go more than necking and petting.
This is as good as not to allow the gold coated jewelleary near the fire.
Intact illusion is the nourishment for cutls and religions to survive.
shantam,
you are right…
in the same vein
i also thank the breweries and
the drug dealers
without whom
i would not be so wise today…..!
life is a paradox !
You must obey…. you must submit…. you must follow orders…. you must be…german…. shantam, haven’t you learned to stay away from goose-steppers like her? whether Gaia, Amma, dalai lama, ABBA, (oops)… Disco sucks, rock n’ roll is the ONLY way!!! Michael jackson’s my hero…. now, how do get to Mannheim? Hugs and kisses…..
Read: upi.com article about wandering minds…”An idle mind is an unhappy one…” also on yahoo news.
Shantam:
Chetna and Satya Deva how was the experience in The Great London Hug Marathon 2010?
SD:
You’re too early, mate – she’s due this week, Wed/Thurs. (At Ally Pally, if anyone’s interested).
Beware, as you might THINK there’s nothing in it (her) for you, but you’ll never know unless and until you have the experience, will you?
As I said, I’ve always found the occasion uplifting in itself, quite apart from Amma’s hug.
Cynicism, ‘spiritual world’-weariness, ‘know-it-all/seen-it-all’ , ‘make a joke out of anything’ can have its limits….
sd so you like the vibe around amma.
so what?
for example,i enjoy the cult and their live version of “she sells sanctuary”
but do i have to convince other people of its great value ?
for what?
you call some south indian peasant woman god or divine and if someone doesnt agree with you,they are “cynical or jaded”..
cant you see how fascistic and dominating that attitude is?
cultish,too…
But there again…I’m a ‘late’, er, ‘developer’….(as the chemist said when I went to collect my photographs)…
(GO ON…LARFF! (It’s Saturday night, ffs!!)
No, Frank, what I’m saying is suggesting that such an attitude can become almost like a ‘reflex’, not only of people who, seemingly, are never open to the like, but also the so-called ‘experienced’ ones.
And I’m not out to necessarily “convince” Shantam or anyone else, certainly not anyway in a “fascistic”, “controlling” sense.
Basically, I don’t give a monkey’s whether he or they believe it, go there or not.
I’m interested though in putting another viewpoint, another angle, as I know how stubborn and set in our ways we can be, from my own ‘closed’ attutudes and experience.
Even someone of apparently vast experience, who extremely intelligently, articulately and perceptively satirises the range of human folly is not immune to creating his/her own brand of fixed ideas, which can effectively shut them off from – who knows? – maybe something good?
(Disclaimer:
Any resembalance in the above to any person(s) contributing to the SN Blog is purely accidental, of course).
Addendum to above:
…to any person(s), alive, half-alive, dis-eased, dead yet somehow still ‘alive’, or utterly dead, deceased…
Cynicisnm apart, Satya Deva, what do you think about those people who think they are the Avataras, prophets, Incarnations of Jesus or Durga or Mariam, the divine mother?
What is your take about the psychology of these people?
May be someone else too can shed some light over this deep inner belief/conviction of being Massiah, prophet/holymother.
frank:
cultish,too…
SD:
Not necessarily, not at all, frank.
I’ve never been part of Amma’s ‘movement’, nor ever assisted at one of her events, I’ve just been a mere ‘punter’, turning up for the ‘goodies’…
But having received ‘goodies’, why not tell others who might conceivably be into giving it a whirl? (
(Not on a forum debating serious ‘spiritual concerns’, of course, heaven forbid!!).
Sorry, SP, any response from me has to wait, there’s a meal to eat and a fight to listen to on the radio…then Match of the Day, of course…
I really live it up on Saturdays, y’know….
Dear all
Id like to have the experience of no holds barred utter dejection and spiritual disillusionment…..
without compensation
any chance of an address or name out there..
something less seekerish…
more in keeping with my active self
a loser
something a bit like life… where you get the joke… when its a bit too late
yours (on suicide watch)
somewhere on Alcatraz..
http://www.rainymood.com/
shantam,re avatars/incarnations etc…
dont people in india demand these people to exist…?
its a kind of groupmind need,a compensatory factor…
celebrity is a bit similar.here in uk,someone like keith richards can magically represent to people lodged in the tick-tock lifestyle,their hidden aspirations which they feel they would have liked to follow but somehow couldn`t… so he becomes the medium by which they live it vicariously.
i think this may be the origin of the word vicar…
was it you telling the story about that total tramp who lived for years in a pile of garbage on a bridge near the railway station in pune…
the locals recently started treating him as divine,feeding him,praying to him touching his feet etc,,,
that is the need of the people isn`t it?
i dont think he asked for it
it reminds me a little of the story “the guide” by rk narayan.
ps
the editors of SN have given up too …
and are currently staring out the window
anyway
..just one more knot… there that should do it
thanks guys .. ..gnfgghhrrrrrrrrrrrrr hahaha argggghllllll..
ufgh
pppamela andersonnnnnn….
martyn,
despair is the new hope
im currently hovering over all of you..
in the fifth body.. or is it the quarter past sixth one…
realising
that we are utterly deathless….
in the void
and yes i can hear a voice calling.. calling
its yes ,
its shantam….
i can barely hear him… he is asking..
where
where
where did i leave my car keys….and address list….
oh ha ha hhhhh.. mmmm?
id really like to help but i cant reincarnate just yet… i met this disembodied presence calling himself St Osho the Brian Of Amma…
well when you cant beat em….join em he said…
and btw
life was
so
….
u know…
really…
really ….
..must go now …a bloke with a blazing fork is asking for the rent….
Dear Ones,
Just send the unpolished piece of writing to the editor.
Is it not important to remind my fellow Osho sannyasins that 2010 is the silver jubilee year of RAJNEESHPURAM`S demise.
The new thread paying homage to that vast experiment and looking retrospectively is very much needed.
I’m going to look around an see if there are any celebrations going on…. in Oregon that is… a person has to be very low key in this part of the country… the locals still haven’t gotten over it, or it maybe the local press have nothing better to fill in the empty air time, gotta find something to broadcast….
Just why are YOU writing about the ranch-Shantam… at least let someone who lived there even for a few months put up a column… paying tribute or throwing poop at the ranch experiment… all you’ve done is read books on it, and maybe have been bullshitted by a disgruntled former sannyasin… stick with what you know best… gibberish.
Rajneeshpuram is worth discussing here. lots of new comers just heart about it briefly only about oregaon time…….. it was great place .
Osho was too much ahead of his time. and he decided not to compromise with politicians and priests in america. that was main reason place was shut down
shella played good and bad role . she needed to be tough to build such a big commune in middle of desert , but in the end she started breaking laws in america and flee…………osho was caught in middle of that and suffers in jail
there are many stories which are well knows among world of sannyas ,but there are also many things which we will not be able to uderstand about oregaon ……..it is always good to remmber that great experiment of osho .
fall of Rajneeshpuram was lesson for all the sannyasins not to take anything for granted……But some tend to forget the lessons and repeat them
mistake once is ok , twice same mistake can become one big big BLUNDER
I have seen in vedios that thousand of sannyasins in 1983 used to form a miles of line , just to get gilmpses of osho driving his rolls royce.
times have changed , but good memory remains
shantam ,if we discuss ranch, we should also share stories what used to happened in pune during 1980 to 1985
i heard budha hall was used for private indian wedding by mr bagmar and people used to sleep on marble floor in front of book shop……..is it true or just gossip…. indian wedding in budha hall does not suit with place where osho talked about freedom , love and meditation
Once osho explain why he stay away from indians while he was ranch.
Lots of indians went to see osho in oregaon who wanted to see him but can not dare to associate with him in pune 1 from 1974 to 1979
those days because they would loose so called respect in society just by being with osho in india .
.. seeing double faces of those wealthy indians osho decided not to meet them in ranch and remain alone ……..
by the was very few people know about osho leaving pune and flying to unknown journey ……..
Bubbie, one does not have to have cancer to talk about cancer.
it is ok for someone to talk about ranch , even he or she has not been there.
same way i talk about you and you talk about me , we never met , but somehow end up in some kind of relation here ……sometimes you call me buddy , sometimes you call me stupid……. this is relating
same is true with some places, you relate them even you have not been there physically……
locals in oregaon did not get it and they might never will get it , but i hope you get it some day what experiment went on there with osho
gibbrish
rajneeshpuram…
when you take it all too seriously….
today like every other day
no need to force the laughter ..just notice it
a tickle….starts a ripple
and dont worry
and rest assured
you wont get out of here alive….
or in full health…..
and you can have the last laugh
its on me…..
Anugrah, you really take the cake, man. Your dumb comments make those of Shantam’s seem like the words of a genius in comparison.
Your conclussion and I quote: fall of Rajneeshpuram was lesson for all the sannyasins not to take anything for granted is well short of the mark. The lessons of that shambles were multiple but surely the most significant was that Osho was coming apart at the seams. The sheep sannyasins to this day claim that the whole carry on that ended the ranch was all a device for awakening. It was not. It was simply a case of a large ship being steered onto the rocks because the captain lost the compass and his crew obeyed his orders unflinchingly, even though they must have somehow sensed the project was doomed.
Even a fool knows that nothing in life can be taken for granted, because it is obvious. No need to let a multi-million dollar project go pear-shaped to illustrate that.
A few days ago I watched the movie ‘GURU’. I think that for anyone interested in Osho this movie is a must to see, although not for the obvious reasons.
In the beginning, well, at least after Osho decided to attract western disciples, there were a lot of very intelligent and rebellious people around him. He was like a magnet for sincere seekers. By the end of the ranch most of those people had disappeared into the woods.
Your conclussion, quote: osho was caught in middle of that and suffers in jail. Is utter bullshit, based on a lack of education. Osho was always calling the shots right from the start. Sheela was a great fall guy and puppet, but the old man had her strings in his hands from the word go. If you watch the movie you will see that Osho declares this publically at a press conferance, not long before the shit hit the fan and the hunter was captured by his game.
As a final note I’d just like to say this is not a slur on Osho but my interpretation of some very relevant facts. I think it was pretty cool of Osho to show his sannyasins how utterly human he was. He was obviously fed up with being jacked up on that pedestal and the whole criminal waste of resources that was his creation. Quite recently I read something H W L Pooja said in relation to why he’d told certain people to do certain things.He said, ‘I wanted to get the leeches off my back’. In his own bizarre way maybe Osho wanted to do the same thing. When I look at the bullshit people project on Osho today it makes me realize he knew what was coming and that was why his body was hurried off to the burning ghats, for had he been buried he would have been turning in his grave at the sight of what goes on in his name today.
Lokesh, can one see Guru on net? Or where to buy it from? Thanks x
Editors of sannyasnews..
make a new thread…Rajneeshpuram and aftermath…25 years later need to be looked in new prospective, with more maturity and with distance…
We are not in the business of electronic gadgets, leather jackets, Rajneeshpuram was neither a water purifying unit from Coca Cola or to raise Chickens and grow organic salads for Macdonandls and Burger king..
Discussion about rajneeshpuram is more important in the sense, Osho and His sannyasins were challanging the centuries old organised religions to change their way and thinking, and were creating a lab test for better religious and human values…
If five thousand people from all around the world can live happily and in harmony, why cann´t the whole world..similar sentiments were expressed by the boss…
Church leadres must be having the last laugh..
A RESPONSE TO CHETANA’s COMMENT
“most influential, rich, powerful, educated and thriving Osho community in the whole world”
“Ahh I do not like this statement. Sounds like the House of Parliament rather than an Osho commune. Ugly!”
I agree with you Chetana, but I was responding to quiet a ridiculous statement that was made here which was not at all true. It was directed towards the various false claims, situations and blames that are continuously being fabricated here and on other forums on Tapoban. In that case I would still like to stand by what I say. But of course i would like apologize for using such an ugly word “powerful”. I was at a satsang session in the commune and it struck me hard that “powerful” is the last word i would like to define such a beautiful place. But yes it is definitely a very strong Buddhafield. The other adjectives i used i still stand with it since though it may sound arrogant but its true.
“Neerav, you have not been in the whole world and your comments on Indian communes are rubbish. You KNOW how many good communes there are with much better standards than Tapoban. The fact that Tapoban is not necessarily friends with those communes is another matter.”
You know me very well Chetana so you know that Visa and finance are not a problem with me like you have so many times said about Nepali youths. For me its not a matter of opportunity to go meet Mooji or hug Amma or do some Marathon with Veeresh but its a matter of choice. I know you tell me all these beautiful stories about energy darshans and spiritual “experiences” that you have with these different leaders and facilitators that you go to and i respect that. But I am not very curious spiritually and I’m more than happy, satisfied and content with what I have got through Swami Arun and Tapoban. I like travelling but not as a spiritual tourist. More than Swami Arun its the energy in the communes here. It makes me sad that you are so blind towards it and have no gratitude for what you experienced in this commune.
About the Indian communes. Chetana, yes I have been to some good Indian communes and some i even visited with you. But when i talk about standards, also read the various qualities that i list for a commune to be of a good standard. I am not only talking about warm weather and lower room rates that are so widely available in Indian communes. The other standards include self sustainability mainly financially(all the communes that i know you have visited to are run by donors), the rate at which they approach and appeal a larger mass and make available Osho’s discourses and meditation available to them, and the rationality in participation genderwise, agewise and nationwise. In that case apart from Pune, which is just a resort, all other communes lag way behind. I am not saying Tapoban is superior but I’m just stating the facts. And yes if you go to other communes and centers in India specially the ones in less urban cities, which i know you have not been to, they really have a very pathetic situation as i said before.
“And to put the facts straight, when I came to Tapoban 5-6 yrs ago there were hardly any people even living there. And things started moving since trips of Arun sw to the West, as far as I’ve understood.”
Yes, thats exactly my point. I am not talking about a situation so many years back. I am talking about today, it’s been a few years you have been here and all year judgement based on your primitive experience is quiet outdated. We are a growing commune and we are changing everyday.
“And those numbers of people taking sannyas is another marketing campaign. Most of the those sannaysins do not even remember now that they took sannyas. And moreover, in Nepal this number is not surprising. What else there to choose from? Many people come on Sat to Tapoban to look at Western girls (like in any Indian commune) and nothing else.”
I dont know why you say this or if you have any factual proof, I would be more than glad to answer that. As per i know you were not travelling all over Nepal when you were here while the 70000 sannyasins are spread all over Nepal. There are 75 Osho centers in 75 districts in Nepal, just because you didn’t see them overflowing in Tapoban doesn’t mean they don’t exist or they have forgotten that they are sannyasins. Its not a marketing campaign Chetana, its just the truth but i understand if its too overwhelming to believe and its ok if you dont.
Here I put the experience of Dharmen, editor of Sannyasnews which was published many years ago here. It speaks on its own.——–
“Sannyas is alive and well and living in Nepal”
Something is happening here in Nepal! I am visiting Osho Tapoban, attracted initially by the pictures on their website. Now I am here I find it even more beautiful than the pictures.
I arrived on the second day of a 7 day meditation camp. I have not done a meditation camp since Poona 1, so I am a little apprehensive that I might find that its not my cup of tea. Well, the tea tastes great! Its not so much the meditations themselves but the quality, the vibe of what’s here – its what I can only describe as pure OSHO.
Firstly I am surprised by the number of people participating, its well over a hundred. About 85 percent must be from Nepal, the rest is made up of Indians, a handful of Europeans and one Brazilian.
As the camp rolls on I am more and more taken with the joy and exuberance of everybody here. There is also a lot of weeping and wailing. The camp is doing its work!
Most of the Camp was in Hindi and Nepalese but there was enough English thrown in for me to be in touch with it all.
On the last night twenty-nine people take Sannyas. It is a wild crazy phenomenon. People running around with digital cameras and camcorders recording everything, no special privilege to the official photographer. The mediums or catchers interchange, picked in the moment as the night goes on. Arun, the center leader, tirelessly pours his energy into the initiations. It’s like energy darshan. I find I’m being beckoned to assist. A young Dutch woman is taking Sannyas, two mediums are by her side, I support her back. Arun’s thumb moves from her third eye to mine, my chest expands, my throat opens and I find I am precipitatiously leaning backwards, from somewhere, someone moves in to support my back. It’s a wild night. The singing, dancing and the flashing of cameras continue. Eventually, everybody has taken Sannyas and we listen to some Osho. Finally I leave the hall. As I do so I’m offered Prasad, I’m very touched.
So what is happening here, there are 52 centers in Nepal, most of them running two meditations a day. There are now more than 15,000 Sannyasins. The answer has to be something to do with Swami Anand Arun (Acharya) who started this center on instruction from OSHO.
Tomorrow I will interview Swami Arun and find out how all this has come about. Sannyasnews will publish this interview soon.
“It makes me sad that you are so blind towards it and have no gratitude for what you experienced in this commune.”
Neerav, do not overreact and dramatise the situation. The fact that I do not agree with some of your statements have nothing to do with my respect and love for Tapoban and Arun sw. You are being over-protective. I have stated before that Tapoban is a very special place, but this not relevant at the moment.
I live in London, and not in Osho commune so going to see Amma or Mooji can be very helpful. We do not live here in a buddhafield and meditation takes much more effort. They have beautiful gifts and to pay respect to other paths is not a crime. For you in Tapoban maybe. And I think you the only who is blind, not me.
I do not go to those people in search, I am already with the Master (Osho, not Arun for your reference) so going to other Osho centres makes no difference to me either. Every place has something beautiful to offer. And if you think that by me going to other communes I am betraying Tapoban or Aurn sw is cultish. And it is your problem, not mine.
By standards I meant more hygiene and food and not the price.Of course freezing your ass in the winter is also not fun, but that comes as a package everywhere in India and Nepal. And you have not been to the Western commune to compare, as far I remember, so pl go once and see for yourself how it should be if you want to know the standard.
You do not wanna know how many people, like me, are still sick in the body from Tapoban. And this is not fun! Hygiene needs improving, but, I understand this is not Tapoban’s fault, it is the fact that it is in Nepal and to do what you have already done, is very impressive.
And Pune, for that matter, has the strongest Buddhafield in my view than anywhere else. But I do not think you guys are even allowed to go there.
Let’s imagine those 70,000 sannyasins are truly sannyasins. Then let me just say about people here and in Russia, Ukraine-most of them do not practise and do not care. This is human nature and even Osho did not expect all people coming to him going all the way. In fact, they did not. So when such big numbers are given we all know that most the people will carry on sleeping as before. Thus, my skpticism on numbers.
I know how sincere you are and all the guys working for Tapoban, so that’s why the commune is full of love and people get healed.
Here after the camp, people do not do anything. Most of the ideas die.
Love
c
Sunday morning ‘kudos’ to Prem Martyn – wheresoever he might be – for a good laugh at his description of his, er, ‘Saturday Night Suicide’….
I see Anugrah is demonstrating his ‘Catholic sannyasin’ credentials once again…
Conveniently air-brushing from his mind any vestige of fallibilty shown by the Master…
A Master’s mastery is not necessaily of the outer world, he’s not a politician, pundit or journalist, for example, is he?!!
For me, Osho was like a proverbial ‘fish out of water’ in the West – and maybe he realised that and withdrew from an active role at the Ranch accordingly.
There might well also have been a concern that as he was officially supposed to be a ‘guest’ there it wouldn’t be appropriate to be seen to be in a ‘leader’ role, at least, not publically.
However, he clearly showed misguided judgment in appointing Sheela and that tragic flaw, together with a certain ‘cultish’, unquestioning mentality of the ‘inmates’ – how ironic, given the self-styled ‘rebelliousness’ of the sannyasin ethos! – led to the debacle.
Therein lies the ‘lesson’ of the Ranch, Anugrah, it’s far from being only complacency in the face of ‘nasty, destructive, ignorant opposition’ from the worldly powers-that-be.
Also, that Osho never acknowledged his part, his mistakes, might well be viewed as another flaw. Unless he felt that doing so might cause further legal issues, might ‘muddy the waters’, as it were, having pleaded otherwise in a US court.
We’re witnessing, with this historical ‘revisionism’, how a Master’s ‘legacy’ is corrupted by those who want the reassurance of ‘perfection’, in order to create another, ‘comfortable-to-their-mentality’ religion.
“I gave you your freedom”, declared Osho, near the end. For me, that freedom has to include a realistic view of a Master, not some conveniently self-created, sentimental concept.
And strangely enough, from what might appear a ‘tragedy’ of a missed opportunity (the Ranch) emerges a most valuable lesson:
A Master – however great – is just an ordinary human being – and fallible.
Not ordinary in his consciousness, fair enough – otherwise, he wouldn’t be a Master, would he?!!
But, notwithstanding how special he is in that respect, it’s no reason for anyone to imagine they need no longer be responsible for their decisions and actions.
I believe it’s called ‘growing up’, isn’t it?!
SD, may be for all of us, it makes sense to read one´s own words and expressions..but the above post of yours makes good sense in my brain…
“A Master – however great – is just an ordinary human being – and fallible.
Not ordinary in his consciousness, fair enough – otherwise, he wouldn’t be a Master, would he?! ”
If this descends upon humanity, Jesus not just being the son of God but the son of a human being too, and therefore must have felt blood racing after seeing Marry Magdalena…
Same is about Rama or Krishna…and holier than holy, Siddhartha in the Buddha Statue…
and all these Indian gurus of present age…. i don´t think any of their disciple will accept their humanly side, and their feet of clay like the way humans have.
That is the pity in the world of spirituality. Steve jobs of spiritual world must be PERFECT..greed less, lust free and yet i see…almost all of them are CONTROL FREAKS.
Only and only Death can snatch their carefully built kingdom, heavily invested by vulnerable devotees.
But YES…in their case, death should have first the direct signature from GOD. It is too dangerous for Yama to take the soul away from the bodies of nature´s own VIP´s.
Shantam:
That is the pity in the world of spirituality. Steve jobs of spiritual world must be PERFECT..greed less, lust free….
SD:
Although my understanding (for what it’s worth!) is that ‘heavy stuff’ such as greed and lust are somehow transmuted in and by an evolved consciousness – by the power of self-less love…
Still might be, to a certain extent, dependent upon a choice, however, I guess (and it certainly is a guess!).
Here endeth this afternoon’s lesson (time for the Arsenal match on radio)….
Perhaps I should have said ‘realised’ rather than ‘evolved’ re ‘consciousness’, ie indicating it’s a more a ‘discovery’ of what’s already there, than a ‘creation’?
Just a thought, maybe not important.
Satya Deva – http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-sadhana-effortless-mind-af957dc6-6cc.aspx
SD 12:32, good post.
Shantam if you keep posting intelligent comments you will lose your position of village idiot to Anugrah. Please, get some ridiculous flowery metaphors in quick, or else all is lost. A bit of Hinduistic racism might also boost your ratings. Come on now, we’re counting on you.
the power of self-less love…
Is there a differance when Mother Terressa and other Christian nuns radiate this power of self less love or when South Indian Amma´s and Sri Sri´s do radiate and manifest this self less love?
And yes…i will be utterly glad to know..how Dynamic and Kundalini do er´s and people blessed with Osho´s presence give manifestation to this
“Power of self less Love”?
PS- The question is pointed towards me also on personal level.
chetna…
about returning from india with longer term health issues…
yes that does appear in a number of notable cases..
i think friends who consider india as a ‘transforming’ event should consider their options with information and experience, where possible.
big up for lokesh and SD for their analyses of the 25 years anniversary… and for shantam in trying to put out a different thread and recognising a spade as a spade…
Its rare that either the opportunity, structure or acknowledgement of our own insights into running our own communes/friendships/lives is ever given the same prominence, validity or integrity as that of an acharya/therapist/leader…and the length to which they/that influences our language and subordinates paradox, integrity and even open conflict to holy /psychological veneration and agreement…..after all you cant save the world or open your heart until you validate a leader in trust…eh?
how could you ever trust a mere mortal without this special spirit version…its not a choice by any chance instead of a holy revelation?
ah yes did someone mention rajneeshpuram
trust is great
if you have no investment
whatever happens the guru is at work..
when you are feeling ripped off its your problem.. when you are happy its because the love here is special
but in one of these examples your responsibility is magically removed
but if you really have no investment
do you need to build an environment of externalised trust for internal growth ?
and whats the exchange rate for third eye darshans these days in nepal.?
Interesting post Martyn. reminds me of the Eagles line, ‘I just have to look good, I don’t have to be clear.
Sorry. I haven’t a clue how much a third eye darshan costs. Going by the economic downturn I’d hazard a guess and say cheap.
Great to see Shantam is back on the twisted track. He’s the man.
It was a beautiful sunny day on Ibiza and to celebrate the occasion I visited a market. I met a few friends, two of whom were old school sannyasins. Bootleg copies of ‘Guru’ are all over the island (Which answers Chetna’s question) and a wee discussion ensued.
The female sannyasin lent her take on Osho and Sheela’s thing with each other. She reckoned Osho was in love with Sheela. So much so the lady in question thought it was glaringly obvious. Huh!
anugrah…
keep going man…. ignore the jibes here from others
as a vegan i can tell you
im with you all the way..
when i think of you i think..
vegetable
and you can run for president anyday
like bill clinton…
he loves vegetables too…
he’s no longer a meathead like shantam
you get my vote anugrah…
keep going
Women, eh?!!
Typical!
Just in case – above responding to Lokesh, 6.11
As i see, Probelm with Sannyasins and ex sannyasins is, they know everybody else in the world is utterly mediocre, be it individual or the religions.
I am also one of them but the sense of fairness and justice requires that we raise the finger towards oneself or the group we are affiliated with.
May be this energy, not to doubt one´s own methodology, we have all got in the energy darshans.
Long live Osho…and your RESORT(one and the only one)
Call any vegetable and the chances are good the vegetable will respond to you.
I have a friend. He is 75. A few years back he was almost crippled by arthritis, a big problem here on Ibiza due to the humidity. He became a vegan and now he’s running around like a teenager. His arthritis is gone.
Neerav’s description of the goings on at Tapoban is interesting…. how on one night 29 people took sannyas and there were camera flashes and camcorders all over the place….hmmm…. what are you — fucking Japanese with those cameras? have to record it- for your fuckin’ scrap book, to show your grand kids how holy you were, at least at one point in your life….. What happened to- “being in the moment”? Absorbing, immersing oneself in the present? Noooo… gotta get that video, that photo, gotta send it quick to my pals so they can see….post it on Facebook— gotta brag about it some more….Talk about the ego… you guys lost the whole point of sannyas and meditation…. Neerav, thanks for the further in depth happenings at Tapoban. Those sannyasins were better off milking oxen in the mountains… time to pack it in OY Vey!!!
P.S. Chetna’s points about low standards regarding hygiene and food at Tapoban, also reinforces the mentality that the Nepalese are interested more in photo opps and video diaries than putting energy into providing safe, healthy food and accommodations(sound familiar- not too long ago the Swami Detectives ranted about “the Resort”s uncleanliness)…. Question for you Neerav: What exactly are the priorities at these ashrams in Nepal? even India? Capitalism? Mo’ Money? I’ll take what’s in your pocket now, just be submissive and everything will be alright? Clean up your act!! and please, take this advice quite literally!!
A you people quite bored to keep on rehashing the the Rajneeshpuram adventure? I don’t mean just posting a few lines about your opinion and experience, now and then.. but it’s every fucking 3 or 4 months this shit is ground down finer than any Turkish coffee can ever be. Okay, it’s the 25TH ANNIVERSARY, i’ll give you guys a pass, but enough after the next thread…. Madonna was right- the average memory span of the modern human is about 30 seconds…. wasted effort in meditation i’d say…. someone, please past the Jack Daniels, my voice is getting hoarse, don’t forgot to spin some Johnny Cash tunes– to clear up the head.
lokesh
re . osho being in love with sheela.
one thing that stands out for me was when osho talked about her after she left the ranch and revealed that she had been raped by an”uncle” when she was 15 and since then had hated all indians
“maybe i am the only indian she does not hate” he mused..
oh dear,she fed him the old :
“oh buggsy,i am a sad victim and you are not like all the other guys”
and he swallowed it hook line and sinker…and then she she just milked him…
and he never saw the sucker punch coming….
mugged by a psycho femme fatale….
about the ranch collapsing..
there was an article by someone in osho`s house,still a devoted disciple,here on sn some years ago.she told the story of when she was present when osho told sheela to irritate the us govt like gandhi irritated the british.
niren the chief lawyer stood up and protested that the cia/fbi had too much power for that kind of stunt.
bhagwan blanked him and he had to sit down.
talk about using a bullock cart on the highway…
he was in cloud cuckoo land……..
and its true,he was publicly supporting,and even saying sheela “had not gone far enough”,and this was after the poisonings etc.
when the sannyasins told him amrito had been stabbed with the poison needle,he did not believe it.he advised them to stay calm as one could not be sure..
he was the last to get it…
so,enlightened master devising perfectly hatched plans for his disciples spiritual evolution?
or criminal mastermind on the make?
i suspect the truth is a lot more prosaic
and involves frequent visits,a centre of operations,even
in cloud cuckoo land…..
persona
That movie “Guru’- just another way to rake in Mo’ Money…. Just like the satellite tv and cable channels always looking to fill in air time…. 24-7 open, NEEDLESS, neurotic bullshit. Take a walk on the beach, in the forest, get laid, whatever… soon movies about World War 1 will be flooding the air waves and local theatres… gotta make money some how…”Mr. Spock, Sensors indicate there are dogs chasing their tails at Warp 9″ “Beam me up, Scotty”
“There is a sucker born every minute”– W.C.Fields
CHETANA I am happy you responded back more detailed, thats all I wanted. I am with you. love N
PREM BUBBIE…Its amazing to see that you care about “being in the moment”? Absorbing, immersing oneself in the present?”
you also talk like an Osho sannyasin!!!!!?????
hahahahahahhahah
I am glad that you care. thank you. my work here is done
reading the posts of the weekend,
i always come back to my main viewing platform of events:
you can never know the truth of anything unless you are on the inside of those events.
but getting to the inside core is just like opening a never ending set of Nesting Russian Dolls – the dolls just keep getting smaller and smaller, and then…..nothings there – emptiness.
and the funny thing is, you know there’s nothing there from the beginning.
true,bob…
ah well,
nothing aint worth nothing,
but its free!
Neerav, you’re obviously too full of yourself, so as not to answer my question….”My work here is done”…. oh really? what a pompous ass you are…. I’d say look yourself in the mirror, that is if you can find one that’s not cracked!! By the way: I am a sannyasin, just flying on my own, for the most part. Still don’t get it dude?
Might be worthwhile giving an Osho quote at this juncture (I rarely, if ever, do this, so it’s very auspicious):
” My love is freedom…You are not becoming a member of any church…I bless all kinds of seeking, on all paths.”
And, why not this?:
“The new man, the new humanity means individual religious people, not organised according to any dogma, doctrine, cult, but simply in tune with existence.”
Well done old chap!! Maybe it’s time to rub it in further for the court jesters in Nepal…. what are the email addresses for the ashrams there? Good time as any to send theses quotes… yo Neerav what’s yours? that is if you were too afraid to read the above…. you’ll get one every day– as a “gentle reminder” as the ma’s used to say at the ranch.
ANSWER TO PREM BUBBIE ABOUT CAMERAS IN SANNYAS, FOOD, HYGIENE AND CLEANLINESS AT THE COMMUNE
The only reason behind ignoring your questions was because so far in this forum you have only portrayed yourself as a useless complaining fool trying really hard to devalue and mislead the forum and contributing nothing. SO its hard to consider u genuine.
But anyways, here are my answers.
Regarding the camera being allowed during sannyas celebration and all that paparazzi business. The article that Dharmen wrote was about many many years back and yes he is right about it and despite all that crowd, flashes and loud music people still had beautiful experiences during sannyas…everybody had their own individual experiences like sannyasnews editor Dharmen also writes about his. I don’t think theres anything wrong in that if people want to have pictures of them taken while taking sannyas. I know how in Pune people could have their picture taken by the official photographer during energy darshans and sannyas and get it from the office later. And by the way Dharmen writes this article way back when there was no facebbook like you say.
However nowadays only one official photographer and camera man of the commune does this. This is for our magazines, newsletters and other publications. I dont see anything wrong in using technology and taking it together with meditation. You sound like a traditional fundamentalist when you say having cameras around doent allow you to come to the moment. Its ridiculous.
Regarding your query about food, cleanliness and hygiene. First of all, what Chetana talks about here is a situation many years back. Even then the hygiene standards of Tapoban were way higher than what you find in other parts of Nepal. (Ask Chetana)
But still they were not of Osho standards or western standards. There is a hygiene inspecting team now in the commune that is always concentrated in improving the qualities. Most of the cleaning and hygiene is now taken care by western sannyassins staying at the commune. The only way to attain western standards was by letting the westerners do it… and now we have improved 100th times.
For instance there used to be a dumping site where 1000s of tons of plastic had been dumped inside the forest, though this site was not in the ashram premises..it was still very close. And trust me it was a gigantic hill made of plastic upon plastic. It took months for the sannyasins to get rid of this and get it recycled. This is only an example of how the commune is contributing to cleanliness and the environment inside and outside. Everywhere else deforestation is a huge problem in Nepal but because of Tapoban, 1000s of trees have been saved inside the commune and acres and acres of forest aorund Tapoban has been saved. The commune is joined with one of the most dense forest in Nepal and spread s far beyond hills into other villages and cities. The wildlife in the commune include rarest of birds and animals including bengal tiger and cheetah.
just go look at us on google earth.
Regarding the food. Yes! the Nepali and Indian food at the commune has always been very spicy and oily for our Western friends. Because of this Tapoban now has an amazing international restaurant called Zorba run by a Sw jee who lived in Pune for ten years. The restaurant was there before also but not as good quality as now. I’ll soon put up a film about a french group of sannyasins who were here. I wanted to talk about their meditations and their experience her but funnily they couldn’t help talking about the food at Zorba and i think to get unending compliments from one of the best connosieurs of food and drinks in the world is an answer on it self about the food at the commune.
So yes! I will also soon put interviews of other quests at the commune asking them about the food, cleanliness and hygiene.
Bubbie, the main priority here is spirituality that is supported by a good lifestyle.
Thank you,
Neerav
HA,HA,Ha,Ha,Ha…. I’m laughing now, Ha, HA, Ha, you’re so funny…. All of your vomiting, it makes me laugh HA HA HA HA HA Some swami’s fucking your girlfriend(without a condom) at the ashram while you’re up late responding to my question… Ha Ha Ha… she’ll probably sleep in and miss Dynamic in the morning ’cause she’s so tired. Ha Ha Ha… enjoy living at the ashram?
P.S. You’re even a bigger pompous ass than I thought–Ha Ha Ha Ha HA
And so after all of your bragging, what kind of medal do you want- gold, silver or toxic mercury? A little touch of mercury will certainly deflate that ego of yours!!
How do you like those “Ha Ha’s” thrown back in your face, dip shit?
I like it! honestly I do Bubbie…the only difference is that when i was laughing i was really cracking up while your Haha only shows a red angered boiling bubbie. just go back and read urself.
n by the way now i have at least a clue of What must have happened to you, why all this bitterness and negativity…hmmmmm you poor child
you are such a puppet, There was no need for you to boil my dear.
.N BTW when a comment that was posted from Nepal on sannyasnews shows that it was posted at 4 am it means it was posted around 9-10 am in the morning here in Nepal. Duh time difference! I really dont want to laugh at you seriously but u and martyn keep on making an ass-fool out of yourselves.
Seriously think about it, all those hahas and negativity and boiling up based on a miscalculated judgement of time.
I wont even laugh at you this time. poor you.
However, Neerav, I note you have as yet no comment on the two quotes I posted above (Sunday, 1.15) – pretty clear, crucial ones, I’d say, wouldn’t you?
” First of all, what Chetana talks about here is a situation many years back.”-sorry Neerav, met few peope this year telling me the same. . . In fact someone told me yest who came back 1 months ago..Thus, I am sayign get of nepal and India to see the difference.
You guys yourself hate that kitchen downstaris, so I do not understand why you are protecting it:( Upstaris I’ve heard is good, but my brother was still dead sick after that kitchen too
I should have posted this here, I’ve copied it from the other current thread…
Can’t help recalling old Kipling’s “East is East and West is West – and ne’er the twain shall meet!”
We of the West are conditioned so differently, by our culture, history etc. to you Easterners – notwithstanding how superficially ‘westernised’ you seem to wish to become, have become and are becoming…
We’ve had our post-war ’socio-sexual revolution’, for example, we’re used to affluence (even of the relative kind – our poorest are like royalty compared to India’s millions of impoverished), over here in the UK we’ve had a sense of being a power in the world for centuries…
Whereas India, for example – and only minority segments of its people – is only just awaking to vaguely similar potentials…With also little apparent notion of how ‘the Dream’ can turn into a ‘Nightmare’…
The East is beginning to ‘go West’ – How pathetically wonderful, how wonderfully pathetic it looks!
My theory is that these Indians at the cusp of such a change desperately need a ‘Hero’, a ‘Philosopher-King’ to look up to, to guide them in Uncharted Waters’, to legitimise their now unbridled lust (for wealth, power, sex – all the usual stuff).
Preferably Someone ‘Infallible’…With impeccable Spiritual Credentials…Seemingly ‘Omniscient’…
Ideally, Someone now feted (in his, er, ‘absence’) by Very Important People…
Someone to build a New Religion around…
Understandable, very – given their particular context?
But not, methinks, for such as us, in the sceptical, individualist West. We’re simply ‘not the same as you lot’…
Besides, the Western post-war generation has, in a way, ’seen it all’ – communes, the lot. We find it difficult to take this Eastern stuff seriously now.
Hence, the overwhelming scorn for and satire at the expense of ‘Brian Rajneesh’ and the scepticism at the seemingly youthful ‘puppy-dog’-like enthusiasm of Neerav for his Nepal venture…
It just all looks either more than a bit contrived (Rajneesh) or a bit ‘old hat’ to us, if not them ( Nepal)…
And not only ‘old hat’, but reeking of possibilities of corruption (perhaps esp of the psych-sexual sort, highlighted by, eg, Prem Martyn).
All this ‘taking sannyas’ hullabaloo – what a circus it seems from here! Smoke and mirrors is the phrase that comes to my mind….
sd.
smoke and mirrors…that`s it
it is as you say,a magic trick….
but once someone shows how a magic trick is done,in fact, that a trick is indeed being done,the idea that the trick is “real” is damaged forever…..
osho,like penn and teller in the world of stage magic, himself deconstructed many of his own tricks,that is ,stated overtly that they were just tricks “devices.” to an end.
however, once it is shown that “devices” have been used against (or for) the unwary,the game begins fall apart.
it is as if the donkey would stop running and see
“actually,this carrot is being held by a guy riding on my back,my running is not making it come any closer.when i stop,people will laugh at him……”
so the magic show becomes a comedy….
of course,osho did everything big,
so it was 24 carrots….
Nice try Neerav– your girlfriend was still fucking another guy no matter what time it is… just to show you that you don’t know what sannyasins are about… naive little turd.
Bubbie, you just made a poem about me on the other thread (((hahahah really!!!!???), jus shows the extent of your desperation. everywhere in every comment you have been stating my name and talking about Nepal. i even saw u started doing a research on how to attack Tapoban.
I am sorry for having bruised you so bad that you cant forget me for the rest of your life.
Prem Bubbie has ruined sannyas news with rubbish and foul behaviour.
Oh Prakash, learn how to take a fucking joke, will you. I’m just doing my part … from Neerav’s utter ego rubbish to Anugrah and Shunyam’s sheer maddening rubbish….. Being a rubbish sweeper doesn’t pay enough—- I’m easy, but not cheap.
Neerav’s ego is puffed up like a powder pigeon with all of the attention I’m giving him…. those were my pennies for your thoughts.
So I suppose, Prakash you skip over all of Osho’s dirty jokes given during discourses…. or do you pretend they aren’t there while reading. what’s the use of worshiping him at all?
Neerav: I forget you when I leave this web site… you keep proving my point about you… Sooo Stupid.
“They’re ruining this war”.-(Major Margaret Houlihan, MASH 1972)