It’s Up To Us To Do Something About Everything

Taken from unpublished comment from Prem Martyn.

One of most fundamental contributions Osho gave to me and us was the reminder that we live in a deeply manic, violent and phobic society, not just robotic as described by Gurdjieff or filled with selves who think they exist but don’t, according to advaitists like ganga /papa/ meatymooji. And it’s up to us to do something about everything. Or die trying or laughing at the effort.

Osho’s existence was a direct call to attention of the role of state violence and conditioned vested, bondaged mentality in limiting life. Osho, the man and his voice was a direct target of this mania and violence through the history of the ending of the ranch , his institutional imprisonment and the forced retreat to the backwaters of India.Whatever you think of Karma , you still have to choose a target of preference, and mine is always the vested power of the state and its agents.

By not only opening up the conversations , but by being an example of unsilenceable integrity against oppression, he stood as unique testimony to the role of the state in being the agent of violence, through corporate and institutionalized, cradle to grave suppression. This also was a warning to us as evidenced by all the exchanges we have had on here, at SN, as regards our own failures to safeguard ourselves from our own Quislings.

However where all other self-realized One’s miserably fail and weakly, cowardly so, is in removing the notion of consciousness from actualizing its effects and being responsible for it in the world as we go. And through redemptive accountability for the world which we make and agree to on the way to prescribed cosmic unity. They, the other you-tube realized Ones , refuse and fail to confront the world on it’s own terms, and provide nothing useful in fundamental collective, humanist and accessible examples as a radical or inspiring voice …not a single rebel voice amongst them.

By attempting to shortcut or prune their concerns into the actualizing of other-worldly consciousness they do a disservice to the experience of life itself, and prevent that solidarity which arises from collective social and parallel engagement. Engagement that confronts the world from which consciousness itself is painfully born.

Further, this website is tracked for significant communications of all the contributors, by vested interests of the government agencies for any forms of dissent that refer back to anything Osho represented as being potentially threatening to their political agenda. SN would be rated on that scale of things to watch, because of what happened in the States, whereas all the other ji ji’s just have nice disciples, we had troublesome for the State and each other ones.

The fact that none of us engage in that kind of effective debate here is not due to what Osho was capable of, and inspired, but what we have left OUT of the whole picture that our lives around him now represent in his material absence. That trouble-making provocative fire, where others are cool and insignificant by their lack of immersion or example.

Personally, as most of you should know well by now, I have a line in the sand for other sannyasins who have no interest in the consequences of Osho’s complete legacy to us, either in their personal or collective lives. That legacy includes libertarian radicalism, and animal compassionate humanist concerns. When actions are taken with integrity towards a complete fellowship with what Osho did, how he was able to voice with precision the double speak of hypocrisy, he offered a more relevant and complete understanding of humans living in suffering and responsible for the ecology of their own internal and external world.That’s why I have only had veggy girlfriends all my adult life and currently live with a dumb but kind hearted vegan.(ouch, she just thumped me).

To me it is a great shame that there are not the given examples of that intention, as living, thriving parallel self-sufficient politically confronting communities of complete political intent, and part of that failure was/is in resting upon introspection and psychology as being the solely formative representations of his market-place legacy.

I take very small initiatives here in lambasting those who claim anything less than a veg-eatarian lifestyle as being representative of what sannyas was and is ethically all about. I cannot sponsor now or before by my energies, those who want to be liberated and engage in the search for personal liberation whilst still being incapable of making some simple first steps.This has actually prevented me, happily so, from investing in the manifest hypocrisy of either therapist, meditation mongerers or those who espouse and mouth platitudes in Osho’s name.

Some of you will know about me living on a Greek island for some years and some of you will be surprised to know that the money backing the Osho centre there comes from a family who make or at least made then , their money from meat packing on the mainland. Draw your own conclusions about me or them, but just to let you know I have never been back and avoided the centre whilst living next door to it, literally for that and other reasons.

Now my opinion may not prevent hypocritical cruelty per se, but it comes down to who or what do you support when offered a choice, and in whose company in the market place. Further there are two Greek sannyas restaurants cafes there which make money from the selling every day of flesh. This was never my version of rebellion, and although I socialized and very rarely had a coffee at these places, my laughter was always tempered by the fact that despite our affinities we were never going to be deep friends. Somethings don’t wash, including spearfishing, lamb lard dinners, octopus legs and the tethering of a goat in the yard ready for slaughter at easter before the centre opened.

Most of the Greeks I met there were very very primitive in this regard and it came as no surprise when the cholesterol addicted centre leader dropped dead just a few years ago. There is a limit to hypocrisy. Some of you may even accuse me here of enjoying a dead gloat. As long as it died naturally, I have no problem with that.

So what of all this, well this piece comes about after watching what I could bear to watch about cruelty to animals on You Tube, prompted tangentially by the simple comment of elephants Lokesh made. It is not legally permissible to describe what I would like to do to the elephant torturers of Ringlings circus in the States, although I spent eight long weeks in Virginia chasing them up and down the state, informing the public what exactly went into this vindictive and cruel plebean circus market of so called childrens’ entertainment for the proles and by criminals. Luckily the Chief of Police in Norfolk VA then, was a feminist woman who sympathised with our actions and who knew very well of the circus’s employees criminality, some having been prosecuted for other offences prior so her force was instructed not to impede our protests.

So if anyone is reading this and could use my activist thoughts and experience in a location where consciousness, fun, ethical integrity and libertarian libidos come together , do drop me a line.

Further, when we ask ourselves what to do with living with oneself and how to best address the schizophrenic being /not being, here /not here , I/not I consolations of being out of step with a materialistic universe that doesn’t ask permission before it incarnates people willy nilly because of never ending piss taking/ infinite love derived from erm itself, then…. perhaps engaging in using those elements of pissed-off-ness, even if sullied by frustrated gloating or any other less-than-virtuous-motivated-motive, then we begin to feel and assume engagement in significance and absorbtion instead of fantastical displacement activity such as trying not to exist, when we quite clearly do, however greedy we might be of those who don’t.

Just a thought….as part of my contribution ,whilst here, to evolution.

Now back to the music.

for further info on how many political agendas does it take to have your website surveyed then read this…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-mcgowan/communication-management-units_b_2944580.html

and view here….

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/6/25/exclusive_animal_rights_activist_jailed_at

Prem Martyn

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37 Responses to It’s Up To Us To Do Something About Everything

  1. prem martyn says:


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    watch 35.11 onwards

  2. prem martyn says:

    Don’t all post at once .. there’s a queue you know…

  3. bodhi vartan says:

    Tanks PM. Deep and thoughtful as always.

    Our (Osho’s) rebellion didn’t work. They got us to “fight them” because they are good at “fighting” and we are not.

    All the old-rebels have been showing to the younger generation is that rebellion does not work because the structures they were rebelling against, not only are still here, they are now even stronger and mainly because of ‘those rebellious actions in the past’.

    >> (from the video) They are taken to CMU because they have a strong network of support …

    Today I am not sure if you know, that “Animal Activism” is second in “their sights” after Al Qaeda. So what do you go and do? Paint a target on your back!

    >> Further, this website is tracked for significant communications of all the contributors, by vested interests of the government agencies for any forms of dissent …

    Why do you think we talk bollox 99% of the time? Heh?

  4. prem martyn says:

    BV,
    ta for the like …

    It’s not entirely true in toto what you say re rebelling, although depending on the day of the week you could find me agreeing with you but stopping short of the implication you might be inferring that we /youth are now in thrall to descending spirals of hypocritical degeneracy with meditation replacing prayer as the Alamo of redoubt.

    Put it this way.. all my friends have to be personally insulted by me as a way of life and continuously tested for their endurance in the field of fire….failing which they have to invent new insults for me… I find religious sincerity deeply insincere…

    we are all the great players of our own mischief ,the derring-do farcical tragi-comedies .. and we replay our own company over and over again…just in case we haven’t learnt the role yet…..24/7
    so why not act out like Osh did….
    the fact that this me is ‘supposed’ to be socially hidden is absurd in itself and requires even more effort to keep it under wraps, which is just another self wrestling role. Rebelling isn’t actually an appropriate term, but truth-liver sounds like a medical condition.
    ‘ tsk tsk tsk, I say Doctor.. he has truth liver.’…”put him on a course of anti-repressants immediately”

    The holy ‘going in’ is just like the power of the prayer was to our ancestors, it’s a new-old code for opening up, dropping the mind, letting go, etc etc.. Go in .. you were never out !!! In fact out is the last place most people go. Because we still think of in as an in which we haven’t fully visited, and that creates hungup dopplegangers. Me and myself, thinking to myself i thought that … Basil Fawlty thrashing the car that won’t start with a tree branch…
    Overheard me to myself conversation…” Right I’m warning you , you are only making it worse for yourself.. if you don’t go in….fully.. go on that’s it… not like that.. you have to do it with more waawaaaaa…. god you utterly selfish bastard… i’m leaving”.

    anyway back to the script…
    I have seen in my lifetime how things have in some way evolved, and yet not at all also.
    The growth hormone for this was not surrender, but as I said to an undercover policewoman on a long protest bus ride once, we just can’t keep our mouths shut.. we don’t have a choice..at work, in the home, in the family etc etc etc.. The colour drained from her face as her colleague intervened….
    If you have a choice then these things don’t matter …in fact doing anything to create change without the notion that heaven is all the way to heaven is just postponement……… but when you are compelled by some sort of self enduring agency.. and fuelled by the trenchant absurdity that Havel pointed to over and over well…you just can’t help yourself…

    that’s why I dressed in beach shorts and turned up with a towel and inflatable ring, when in Budapest last May at my teaching course, for the dressing appropriately for work day. I said , the seaside would be an ideal place….. the proto communist instructor found himself short of concepts that morning….

    ”Anyone who takes himself too seriously always runs the risk of looking ridiculous ; anyone who can consistently laugh at himself does not.”
    V.Havel

    As for the bollox… i type so much that I’m thinking of getting a piano for my dexterous fingers and turning all this into tunes instead….

    The first tune would be .. Do your balls hang low do you tie them in a bow.. altogether now….

  5. shantam prem says:

    Martyn, If we meet for a dinner I will order only vegetarian, to salute your passion for fighting for a cause!

  6. prem martyn says:

    understanding our scripts through deliberately recreating them is what NLP is all about…

    it’s about becoming metacognitively knowing of how something arises so that it can be reproduced consciously through induction…. based on the work of Bandler Erickson Dilts et al
    subtle theatre of the body mind…

    how we become programmed… used for ethical and unethical measures..
    here is derren brown working on reproducing sacred experience

    I think it’s a useful insight into how our experience is not solely ‘ owned ‘ by an conductive supraconscious agent, (enlightened guide) but through our own engagement, or lack of it through inductions .. either conscious or unconscious immersion. We’ve had LSD, we’ve got technical, meditative bio-chemical, psychological, chakric, transconscious methods. Now we have associative symbiotic mood shifting.
    It’s in no way an attempt to reduce possibilities to solely one ‘theory’ but to add to our understanding range.

    I think this puts rooms of religious converts in bedsheets into context, yet again. A context that is used like a bosch power drill over the millennia for blessing ? Why always white bedsheets ?


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    • bodhi vartan says:

      prem martyn says:
      ~ Derren Brown ~ Fear and Faith Pt-2 Full ~ God Illusion

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      I can’t get any of those to work … it looks like it could be fun. There are a few things I don’t get in life and hypnotism is one of them. Opera is another but let’s not get into that.

  7. bodhi vartan says:

    I don’t really know what you are saying PM. You might be too complex for your own good. I recommend more Zorba, much more Zorba.

    By the way, it would easier to convert moslems to xtianity than greeks to vegetarianism …

    My Big Fat Greek Wedding “He don’t eat no meat?”

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    • prem martyn says:

      I had one of my very few satoris after reading Zorba the Greek …..
      one full moon night…
      it’s true… when I was but a sannyas virgin in the Green Hotel on Bundgarden Rd….funny things happen in buddhafields….

      wonder if Derren Brown could reproduce that…

      I wasn’t making sense ? I was actually practising the ancient art of gibberish, BV, not to worry.

      cheers for the vid

      • prem martyn says:

        BV the 11.07 post of mine works if you read it as paragraph by paragraph.. its about living life without ambitiousness for the inner self and letting all that propaganda about a meditative template just be trashed. Why not Make your own meditations and call it anything that suits you to give it purpose if you need…. i’ve stopped this compartmentalisation of experience….its all it. Inner Meditative Purpose is just stylised hype.

        secondly i hope some nlp-ers get the language of my 1.27 post .. watching the derren brown vid is self explanatory for basic guide to nlp

        • bodhi vartan says:

          prem martyn says:
          >> …. i’ve stopped this compartmentalisation of experience….its all it.

          I don’t doubt it for a mo.

          >> Inner Meditative Purpose is just stylised hype.

          The word “Purpose” confuses me. The “Purpose” is always “Entertainment”.

          “Inner Meditative”??? Is there an “Outer Meditative”. Samuel Jackson reckons you always look good in pictures if you look like like you are thinking about something and that is the only time I do the medative. Is that what you mean?

          • prem martyn says:

            BV, i’m not selling this meditwatsit stuff, so you’ll have to ask someone who does…

            i think we’ve already caught the wave of the in out semantics quite well….’nuff said…

  8. Lokesh says:

    LSD put me off meat back in the sixties. Vegetarianism is an asthetic thing as I see it. I rarely eat meat but I do love fish. I also have qualms about it when swimming in the sea and viewing marine species. Last year I dived down and freed a large octopus from a trap. I watched as he pulsed down into the depths and disappeared into the shadows. Setting him free made me feel good, but I’ll bet the fisherman was majorly pissed off about his broken trap. Message..you can’t please everyone.

    • prem martyn says:

      Loving fish is no problem,

      but you mean the man who eats them raw out of the tank in a Fish called Wanda who loves fish, sort of love….. mmm?

      In Bristol acquarium the Octopus there has to have his toys replaced because he gets bored, even doing the rubik cube, and sinks back into his underwater pot and sulks.

      When you hear of Arun’s stories of Osho and animals, all sorts.. well even St Francis would cheer and weep.

      ps..
      do not look at live octopus eating in Korea on youpuke, as it might sway your opinion into thinking that actually North and South is a bit like dog eat dog and deserve each other.

      Giving carnivores a hard time , I agree with you there Lokesh, is actually high on my list of aesthetic pursuits …..which is why I’ll be at Veggie Pride Fest in Geneva (see link) with my best beautiful meditative voice and insulting placard…

      http://veggiepride.ch/wordpressdataEng/practical-information/22-2/

      …Oh and also to make sure the media have me, the World representative of the Osho ECHITNDI foundation speaking about Osho’s vision for dietary love.

      Last time I was chatted up by the media I appeared as part of a full colour spread for one of Belgium’s weekly colour mags, interviewed by a female reporter ( Joanie de Rijke ) who later went to Afghanistan got kidnapped, then released for big ransom. Moral of the story ??

      Today placards, tomorrow editorship of Sannyas Veganistan News… it’s obvious innit ?

      • prem martyn says:

        As regards your dietary penchants Lokesh… you might actually be a reincarnated Cathar Parfait ,if you restrict yourself to fish and veg.. but you really ought to just eat it flappingly live, eskimo style, not just raw, and certainly not cooked for all the benefits and let the no self off the hook of having your fish and eating it, without the aesthetic preamble.The smell of fish is aesthetic ?
        Are we talking the same fish here ?
        Maybe you get yours from the English Chanel.

        • Lokesh says:

          Octopi are mysterious creatures. They love to gather shiney shells and line them up on a shelf to admire. It sometimes works to their disadvantage as speargun fishers know their ways.

  9. SCIFI says:

    heyyyy Pe POLE … wazzzzzUP !!! i am nothingness AKA scifi.

    • prem martyn says:

      This blog is about Octopee..and how you can catch from them Totnes Mutual Congratulation Introverted Aspiration Syndrome ‘ when after bathing in sea water the victim is grabbed and bittten near their tentacles.
      Be careful out there, it may look harmless but you could remain unaware of how unaware you are …..for life.

  10. prem martyn says:

    Goodbye Thatcher,
    Goodbye Galtieri and the fascists, Goodbye Putin, Goodbye Bush, Goodbye Blair, Goodbye Ayatollahs, Goodbye Obama,Goodbye DNPK, Goodbye Asian Dog Stranglers and Eaters.

    Talk truth to power…

    Thank you Osho.


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  11. prem martyn says:

    Sting later became infamous however for this…

    following his more personally fulfilling Tantric lessons and internal enquiry from top internal aviator and space case pilot ,Paul Lowe , aka motivation specialist and penis healer, the former Teertha of Pune 1.

    it’s amazing how much spirituality can really inform our ethics and sensitized self when we re-arrange our frustration into de facto fait accompli…Hey presto, acquiescent Magic baba. !

    I’m awaiting Moo-cow-jis single , every Cow’s throat you slit.

    http://www.uznews.net/news_single.php?lng=en&cid=33&nid=12553

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  13. prem martyn says:

    Come to International Veggie Pride in Geneva.May 18 demo. Its very meditative and good for the no self. Arun won’t be there or Sheela or Amrito or the Greek Afroz Meditation Centre Kapos… or Devateeth or Gurdjieff or MooCow ji as they are busy raising consciousness….but I will….and so will Osho….

    kiss kiss

    News….
    France

    In October 2011, the European Vegetarian Union reported that the French government’s Décret 2011-1227 and associated Arrêté (September 30, 2011) effectively outlaws the serving of vegan meals at any public or private school in France. Similar decrees are proposed for kindergartens, hospitals, prisons and retirement homes.[25]
    source:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country

  14. prem martyn says:

    they give 100 thousand euros a year from their ‘activism’ to sponsor Amazon tribes…

    ”FFF does in fact, have a solid record when it comes to the “forest” part of their equation. While accounting may not look like their strong suit, Leona estimates that the non-profit organisation has made in the region of €100,000 (£85,000) a year, since it started in 2004. Their website details how the money has been spent on buying up land and promoting permaculture and indigenous lifestyles in Brazil, Peru and other countries. And as the film attests, they also live a frugal lifestyle, wearing clothes and eating food they find in rubbish bins, rather than spending the charity’s money.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/11/green-sex-activists-documentary

    funky monkey…

    • prem martyn says:

      fff donated here to slovakian bears and wolf protection buy buying land in perpetuity. Havel also donated, to the same forest.

      http://www.wolf.sk/en/en-home

      http://www.fuckforforest.com/en/ecoslovakia.html

      the million euros it has donated in 9 years of fucking online is probably less than a few days of profits made by Osho Fuckit International in just a few seasons of its historical investments to save consciousness for humanity via lawyers in New York…..or car parks.
      money which has disappeared into swiss accounts that only sannyassin canadian fugitives from the Tax man are privvy to.

      And if anyone wants to know yes I donated when I had the cash to environmental and land purchase stuff , though I don’t think anyone would pay to see my donger online now, I support any fellow sannyasinners to join up.

      Crazy ……I hope so.

  15. prem martyn says:

    Prem Martyn would like to announce his forthcoming trainings at the Osho Paradisia Centre somewhere in Europe.

    Owing to the fantastic success of last year’s events where over 10 million people attended the ‘Hello and what’s your name’ festival.

    This year we have gone all 60′s nostalgia , remembering how we would often sit in the park and strum a guitar and then feel uplifted in the company of friends who just happened to be as high as a kite on some illegal cocktail.
    But our event is slighly different …you will get high simply through our prestige, which is quite remarkable really, as our ability to entertain anybody for longer than a few minutes in private company is severely limited. In fact we prefer to dine away from participants if possible, and at least at a separate table.

    Yes, this year We will be renaming our festivals Oshenge and Oshtonbury, just to get you in the mood.
    Luckily you will be in safe hands with a bunch of professional rebels who between them can count years of living in their own company and having others pay them for the privilege.

    Here is the Calendar of Events….
    Day 1 Morning
    Turn up and pay us a big wadge of cash for the coming three day bonanza.
    Day 1 A bit later.. Watch us as one of us goes down to the bank to cash the cheques.

    Day 1 Later still. Notice how some of us actually have a lot of experience in soft skill selling which will leaves you wanting to have the same intense look and smiles that we have, and leave you with a feeling that you must be missing out. That bit is actually quite clever of us we think. Even though we won’t ever tell you what our private lives are really like.That isn’t for sale.Ever.

    Day 1 Slightly later still and slightly delayed welcome as microphone speaker system is replaced with a loud hailer, owing to a technical hitch. Instructions by loud hailer help to keep order together with a handy whistle and a fog horn.

    The first actual meditation will be to listen to the number of trainings we have ourselves trained in over the years which should wow you with enough admiration so as not to be so stupid as to ask any further questions. If at this point you do not feel impressed enough , we will be handing out cardboard cut out faces of ourselves, which will help you disguise the profound and deep intimidation at being yourself and wanting to instead be more like us.
    These faces come in a range of easy to cut out masked looks including smiley,
    happy smiley,
    smiley happy,
    intense and conscious,
    knowing and smiley or just plain more powerful than you, you paying pillock.

    After lunch we will be trying to make sense of what exactly the ‘White robe swanning around am I bother-hood’ is all about including the discovery of how being very close to a master can actually build whole communities of aspiring wannabes.

    The evening concert will consist of favourite tunes sung by our resident Insannyas ,laden-with-deep-significance-music-Band, including :
    PlinkyPlonky on Bass
    Perky Planka on Drums
    Plonker Lonker on Flute
    Dinky Dulala on Tambourine
    and Stunning Vocals by The Swedish Chef from the Muppets.
    With their favourite Indian Tunes including
    Maha Accountanta Loves Dis Songji
    We are all rebels , Gosh yes we are aren’t we ?
    Where did I park my Range Rover, beloved Osho.?

    Please book early as we have our reputations to pay for together with the rent on our outstanding mortgages.

    *Prem Martyn has trained in Star Gazing neo Wish Fulfilment, Core Cleansing and Wallet Draining, Being Happier and More Conscious than You are because you’re new to this Game, Osho Orgasmic Hand Tantra, Sacred Wholistic Dance Worship and Not Spotting any Talent, with advanced Talent Spotting on Tuesday Nights. SunnShine Skycloud Inner Vision with Maha Hoho Valium Tyrebendazole.

  16. prem martyn says:

    Congratulations to the m5s movement for using internocratics and networking to shift the stupor and criminal mind set that was post war italy…

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elisabeth-braw/italian-protest-leader-be_b_3084346.html

    personally I consider the access to consciousness to be speeding up as a notional possibility in all spheres.. it’s at least on the map now, because of networking and the spread of information…and evolution..

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