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canadafollower posted an update in the group The Humaniversity 12 years, 5 months ago
For a person to make a decision to go to the Humaniversity or not, one should be armed with as much information as possible from both positive and negative sources on the internet. A lot of the people with whom I have spoken have had many positive experiences at the Humaniversity. However, it is clear that many people also had bad experiences there due apparently to a lack of ethics by leaders there.
We all know where to find all the good things on the internet about the Humaniversity in places like humaniversity.nl
However there are also places on the internet where we can find not so positive experiences.
These are the following:
http://www.onwardoverland.com/offline/therapy.html
This is webpage that was created by a Brazilian sannyasin. It is his personal viewpoint of how things can improved for the Humaniversity. He talks a lot about his perceived flaws of the Aum Meditation. After publishing this, he got a long distance call from Holland telling him never to come back to the Humaniversity.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humaniversity-friends/
This is a forum (people have not been posting there for at least 5 years though) between participants of the Humaniversity but Bhavala (a staff member from the Humaniversity) emailed Yahoogroups to have this yahoogroup shut down when the moderator of the group no longer followed the rules and allowed dissent of the Humaniversity to be posted. Bhavala fortunately did not succeed.
Also one may get interesting results if one visits the http://www.rickross.com website and types ”humaniversity” into the search box.
can any one help me for sanyas
where r u? what r u looking for?
Yes the first article is quite good. I have also read the rickross pages on the Humaniversity. I must say sometimes I think the Humaniversity epitomises the decline of the West into complete materialism with no values at all except anything goes….greed is good and the survival of the fittest.
some of that rick ross anti-cult stuff is even more dubious than the propaganda of the cults themselves.
i would take that lot with a large rock of salt,for sure.
some guy wrote on there,inventing a story about how a girl he knew had got into eckhart tolle.cut off from her family,stopped eating,acting weird and ended up killing herself,all from reading ”the power of now”…a kind of 50s ”reefer madness” tone horror story.
the regular idiots on rick ross all responded with outraged tones to the story.
”typical”,i”nevitable,”they knew how dangerous all this stuff was etc.etc etc
the guy revealed his trick a few days later.
they were so prejudiced they bought such a daft story hook line and sinker.
they are bigots.
The thing that bothers me the most of about websites like http://www.rickross.com is that they have a huge list of religions considered to be cults and yet mainstream Christian churches, for example, do not appear on the list when they are often the biggest violators of brainwashing, blind following etc. This is bigotry. If what you say is true then I agree with you that this is pretty bad. That does mean though that there is nothing truthful posted on this website and it should be ignored?
What I am trying to do Frank is to expose people to alternative viewpoints when it comes to the Humaniversity. I am sick and tired of people in my sannyasin community who shared only positive things about the Humaniversity but got extremely angry with me when I expressed something negative about the Humaniversity which I saw was true.
I am trying to make people aware of websites that are both positive and negative towards the Humaniversity so that people can make balanced. I am sick and tired of negative viewpoints being stifled.
I invite other people to point out other interesting websites about the Humaniversity.
I agree that the rickross site should be read with a critical mind. But I agree with Canada when he says ”That does mean though that there is nothing truthful posted on this website and it should be ignored?”
Somehow a lot of sannyasins have misinterpreted Osho’s work in having the idea that sannyas is freedom and it means that they can do what ever they want including stepping on other people’s toes. Freedom to them means, for example, using false therapy to rip people off. A sannyasin cannot make an honest living so he invents some gobbly gook as therapy. The ends justify the means.
its true that the rick ross site probably still has some valid points on it,but their closed mindedness spoils it….
out of interest,canadaflower re. humaniversity as a rehab.do you know anyone who actually got off all drugs by going there?(i dont mean eg stopping smack and replacing it with puff and booze etc)
most folks i know eneded up doing more?!
I agree with your assessment of the Rick Ross site. A lot of anti-cult organizations such as Rick Ross are financed by mainstream churches such as the Anglican Church when mainstream churches themselves have been in the business for hundreds of years of brainwashing and manipulating their flock. Hence these mainstream churches are not against these malevolent practices per se. They are against new groups such as the ”new age” groups because they are threatening to compete for their flock. Yes there is bigotry on Rick Ross like you say but I think there is still useful information on the site. Alok John is right though when we must go on this site with a critical mind.
About the Humaniversity helping someone to kick the drug, I know nothing about this.
I agree with Canada….”Somehow a lot of sannyasins have misinterpreted Osho’s work in having the idea that sannyas is freedom and it means that they can do what ever they want including stepping on other people’s toes…”
What I find most apalling is how Veeresh, Chandrika, and other people responded the website published by the Brazilian sannyasin and the Humaniversity Friends Yahoogroup.
Instead of Veeresh, Chandrika et al responding to questions and concerns of people on these 2 websites, they chose to banish the Brazilian sannyasin and they contacted the Yahoo administration to attempt to have the Humaniversity Friends Yahoogroup shut down.
That is how they reacted when valid questions are asked.
Veeresh, Chandrika et al showed by these actions that they feel that they do not have to be accountable towards other sannyasins. This shows that they only have callous disrespect towards other people.
As far as I am concerned, a sannyasin therapist who does not feel that he or she has to be accountable towards anyone else has no place at all in the sannyasin community.
You are right of course Canada. That so few sannyasins protest the Humaniversity shows there is something wrong with most first generation sannyasins.
I would like to add that that the Brazilian sannyasin who wrote that webpage wanted sincerely to suggest improvements to the Humaniversity. If Veeresh, Chandrika et al dropped their egos and listened to what this fellow said, perhaps the Humaniversity would be a fantastic place today for personal growth.
What do you mean by first and second generation sannyasins? I take it that you mean that first generation sannyasins are those who were attracted by Osho in the beginning but somehow got sidetracked by adulating guru minded sannyasin therapists. My guess is that a second generation sannyasin will assess a sannyasin therapist by his or her merit but will never consider the therapist to be a master. To them, only Osho is a master.
Canada wrote ”What do you mean by first and second generation sannyasins?” Sorry I was not clear. Roughly I meant a first generation sannyasin is someone who took sannyas when Osho was alive and was an adult at the time. Say people born between 1930 and 1970, this would include the baby boomers. When I first visited an Osho centre in the mid 1970s, you could say sannyas was humanistic psychology. As you say we hope second generation sannyasins, born a bit later, will have more sense and better judgment.
I guess that many ”first generation” sannysins had gurus like ”Fritz Perls” and Osho was only secondary.
Once when I did a group with Vismaya, about 1983, the first thing she siad was ”Never mind what He (ie Osho) says.” I thought this was a bad omen for the future of the movement.