BBC defames Osho: Alok John reports

BBC defames Osho

An ex-sannyasin, Michael Lyons, also known as Mohan Singh, has recently been sentenced to ten years’ imprisonment for rape and sexual assault by a London court.

This has been widely reported in the press. However BBC “journalist” Clive Coleman embellished his report about Mohan with the following words…

“It also emerged that in the late 1970s Lyons had been a follower of Osho, the spiritual leader otherwise known as the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, who taught his devotees that promiscuity was the path to enlightenment. Osho’s followers famously vowed to buy him a Rolls Royce for every day of the year, but ran out of money after 93 days.” (Article here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10770395.)

This is of course false. Osho never taught that promiscuity was the path to enlightenment. It is true that in Pune 1, a few people were encouraged by Osho to indulge their sexuality in a promiscuous manner. I think Clare Solloway, a well known ex -sannyasin, says in a video that Osho told her partner, then Teertha, this. However Osho’s central teaching has always been meditation and awareness, and it is for each person to find his own way.

Osho’s Rolls Royces were purchased and donated to the Commune by rich individuals. Here is a quotation from Osho “Just the other day Anando was showing me one book published against me in Australia by a couple who have been sannyasins for three years and have been in the commune. But just looking at their ideas, it seems they have never seen me. They are saying that they were working, working hard, and with their work I was purchasing Rolls Royces.
You can see the absurdity: their work was not bringing any money. Their work was making their own houses to live in, the roads – which were needing money, not producing money. But in their mind – and for all those three years also – they must have been resentful.
Those Rolls Royces were not produced by the commune. They were presents from outside, from all over the world. And I was not their owner – I had given them to the commune. They were commune property, and I have not brought any of them with me; I have left them with the commune.” Osho, Beyond Psychology, chapter 24.

Do have a look at the article which is here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10770395

It includes a little video of a little man, presumably Clive Coleman, interviewing an ex-member of Mohan’s cult. I love Coleman’s feigned expression of concern in the video.

According to the BBC website “Trust is the foundation of the BBC: we are independent, impartial and honest.” What a laugh!

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256 Responses to BBC defames Osho: Alok John reports

  1. prem bubbie says:

    “… a few people were encouraged by osho to indulge their sexuality in a promiscuous manner.” That statement is utterly false. Therapy groups were set up, with Osho’s blessing, for people not only to explore their sexual “energy”, but to shared their sexual energy with numerous partners even outside the therapy group setting. This, for the most part stopped or greatly reduced when osho moved to oregon, as the edict from sheela had it, to be monogamous if possible, celibate if your energy was at that state, or masturbate. For public relations sake and a little later, due to the HIV-AIDS epidemic. We all new that couples arriving to the ranch always broke up within days and sannyasins generally had multipe sex partners regardless of the edict. I was there and heard the lectures by sheela at various meetings at Buddha Hall/ Mandir. Back to Pune 1, This is what attracted so many westerners to pune in the first place….Sex, almost free, very loose, people fucked at the drop of the hat!!! This idiot BBC character, needs to be sued for libel or slander. But Alok you need to stick with what it was like at pune 1. Meditation was the end game, BUT SEX was the bait to get people to come and just maybe go beyond the sex trap, and explore a higher level of energy.

  2. shantam prem says:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10770395
    Story by Clive Coleman

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ifs/hi/newsid_4000000/newsid_4000500/4000569.stm

    Dear Sir/Madam,
    I am utterly appaled by Mr. Coleman´s unintelligent and biased understanding about Osho, while writing this story about a sex offender.
    Will you make Jesus responsible for all the sex crimes of this Mormon leader Warren Jeffs, because Jesus speaks so much about Love.
    It is true that this Man Michael Lyons has visited Osho´s main Ashram in Pune, India. I have met this man there,while he was travelling with three of his female friends/followers.But Osho in His life time was visited by multitude of people from diverse backgrounds and countries. His long time follower and present management trustee, Dr. Amrtio is a highly articulate and ethically upright Anglo Saxon British Physician. May be you can arrange an interview with him to see what made Osho so inspiring.
    whether it was 93 Cars or His talks about Sex, Osho has explained in length about these topics, point by point with logics and analysis, and yet he never claimed himself as some Messiah or Prophet or child or son in law of some higher force. just a man like you and me, who has reached His inner flowering, which is a birth right of all of us.
    I request the writer of this news Item to buy any Osho book or go through any of His Talks freely available on the net and than to form an opinion. If journalist of such reputed channel are ruled by the Cliche, i must say, God should provide bit more impartial brain to the people who write for living.
    Thanks

    Yours Sincerely,
    Shantam I Singh

  3. Alok john says:

    But Bubbie, maybe this is splitting hairs, but I took “encourage” to mean he actually told people to be promiscuous. For example Clare Soloway says He told Teertha to “Basically …Go forth and f**k.” But if you go to the Darshan Diaries I do not think you find many examples of his telling people to have multiple sexual partners.

    Maybe he saw that promiscuity was inevitable given the energies of many of the people he attracted in Pune 1, so he allowed the promiscuous groups in the ashram. I suppose you would say this constitutes encouragement but I am not so sure. On the other hand some people were told in Darshan to do the promiscuous groups, so I suppose this does constitute encouragement.

    My experience of Pune, albeit Pune 2, was that no one encouraged me to do anything. I was completely alone to make my choices, whether to meditate or not, do a group or not, etc.

  4. Lokesh says:

    Bubbie has summed it up pretty well.

  5. Lokesh says:

    SP: The media don’t only report news, they also make it up.

  6. Lokesh says:

    AJ You state: My experience of Pune, albeit Pune 2, was that no one encouraged me to do anything.

    Perhaps it was your aftershave.

  7. shantam prem says:

    Alok John has also summed it up pretty well.

    And the way wind is blowing, Alok John will go on defending Osho, unless He goes for some hugging mama or visiting dignitary with sandalwood on the forehead kind of from South India or he falls in love with some Muslim girl and changes his name too, Aladin Jahan.

  8. shantam prem says:

    Lokesh, As a single father in an open relation, it is justified if i am on the computer at this time of the evening. You married with German and still living a bachalor life, must appreciate your wife, Ma Prita.
    Convey my Gruss to her.

  9. Lokesh says:

    Okay, SP, I’ll do that.

  10. Satya Deva says:

    Well, yes, a friend of mine, for example, having sadly complained to ‘Bhagwan’ of his lack of sexual relations, was encouraged to stop masturbating for a few weeks, after which he would “f**k every sort of woman – tall, short, fat, thin, old, young – no one will be safe!”

    But Alok’s right on the money about that sort of ‘free sex’ never being taught as a ‘path to enlightenment’. If anything, Osho taught it as only the very first rung on a rather long ladder, as in his famous work, ‘From Sex to Superconsciousness’.

    So, well said on that, Alok.

  11. prem bubbie says:

    Osho knew that the “free” sex would attract all sorts of people…Short memories… The press in the west and especially in the States dubbed him as the “sex guru”.,when he arrived here, which still most non sannyasins will remember him by. As per the above article. yes, members of the media are scumbags, same with politicians and “religious” people.. The triumvirate of “power”. I still get the sense of some denial here from some of you. we’ve discussed this topic before several times in fact… The shenanigans that went on at pune 1, 2, and the ranch and ashrams and centers worldwide. I understand Osho’s ways of doing things to a point, I wouldn’t have done them but when you’re after a lot of fish the net and bait have to be big and enticing. Desperate times call for desperate measures… didn’t work out though, too bad. Nature of man and beast and life on this earth. These scummy reporters need to be put in their place though. I don’t think writing letters of complaint will doing anything…Maybe hiring some gangster thugs and…….. should remedy the problem…… non violently.

  12. prem bubbie says:

    “Free sex never being taught” word got around fast though, … but the groups that were available were given “blessings” by the old man. Non of the groups of any type could have been offered without Osho’s blessings(consent). Simple fact. The puritans of the world didn’t and still don’t like it and wherever they maybe and whatever occupation they may have, they will condemn osho and his actions and do whatever they can given the chance, to humiliate sannyasins and admirers. So, we now know there’s a repressed puritan with a chip on his shoulder working for the BBC….. this guy is now the bullseye …quick, anyone have any arrows?

  13. prem bubbie says:

    But it seems as history of those places have shown , most involved were there to get laid as often as possible, getting high, making a lot of money whatever way they could and any way possible and go on a power trip… as we have seen. Yet, many did get involved to raise their consciousness… not enough though to balance out the extreme negative bunch. Otherwise things would have turned out quite different and on the positive side.

  14. Satya Deva says:

    Just to clarify, Bubbie, I said free sex wasn’t taught as a path to enlightenment, ie Osho never said simple screwing around would lead of itself to ‘higher consciousness’. (I’m laughing now, the whole concept is so absurd!!).

    In a way, it was often viewed as a sort of therapy, certainly as that rather than as a ‘spiritual practice’.

    Whether that’s totally valid is another question though….

  15. shantam prem says:

    By the way, Bubbie during your glorious days in Ranch, how many chicks you have eaten?

    After Ranch collapse, i presume you were still active in sannyas scene, how many times you got the free sex.

    The journey of thousand miles starts from oneself.

  16. Sadhu says:

    Freinds, Yes Osho talk about sex, but all his work was how people can come out fron sex and rais there enery in high level, Osho never likes his name with sex…Pls friends never use Osho’s name with sex…His is enlgihtned master great mystick of whole humanity…

  17. Chinmaya says:

    Friends are writing on hearsay basis about the sex activities instructed by Osho. Nobody has written on the basis of truth happened/played by/with him/her as is being written, to the level of their wisdom. Tantra has its on mystic way of life and Osho was Master of masters on Tantra. But His whole energy was for Meditation and not on Tantra.

    If we cannot give respect to our enlightened Master, I request you all, please do not try to de-fame Him,by writing for which it is not confirmed. Media and prostitution are alike. So, they (Media) say so many things and later deny.

    Those who could not acquire even one Rolls Rpyce in their life, they feel jealous to talk about 93 RR of Osho Ranch/commune. It was not in His personal name.

    Amen……..

  18. shantam prem says:

    Sadhu, it will be a joy to know you. One cannot say how many spelling mistakes you have in your posts, but heart radiates devotion.

    I have thousands of sannyas faces in my memory but a special file for those, who take a public stand for or against Osho and His influence.
    To be indifferent is to be selfish and ugly.

    As, Shantam Astro, i am at facebook.

  19. Yakaru says:

    Umm, before everyone goes haring off to talk about what Osho said about promiscuity, Alok’s point was that this was mentioned in relation to a convicted sex offender.

    The implication from the BBC was that there is a connection between Lyons’ behaviour and Osho. That is obviously completely inaccurate and grossly unfair.

  20. Anand says:

    As far as I recall Osho said ‘go through sex to go beyond sex’, not to repress sex. The goal was always samadhi.

  21. shantam prem says:

    Yakaru, may be you can copy the post of yours for the BBC feed back.
    These corporations respect public opinion more than the bosses of religions and cults.

  22. Sadhu says:

    Sorry Shantam, My English is not good…sorry for all my mistakes, will not write on wards…bye for ever…

  23. shantam prem says:

    Sadhu, Read my post and your answer and if you cannot understand, please ask someone to traslate.

    MAy be i translate for you.
    Sadhu, mujhe harah hoga tumhe nazdeek se jaan ke.
    Kah nahi sakta ke tumhare likhne main kitni Shabdik Galtiyan hain paar Hridye..prembhakti se bhara Hain…

    Iska matlab main tumhe mubarakbad de raha hun na ki galtiyon ki taraf ingit kar raha hun.

  24. shantam prem says:


    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

    Satya Deva, Please, watch this video and share your opinion.

  25. Lokesh says:

    Some of you guys are very uninformed about life in the Poona One commune in regards sex. Get it straight….there is absolutely nothing wrong with having sex with multiple partners and promoting such an idea has nothing immoral about it.
    Sadhu takes the cake for being most out of touch with who and waht Osho was. Osho never likes his name with sex…
    Nonsense. One of Osho’s most famous book titles is ‘From sex to superconsciousness’ and in my opinion is that it is a great book title.
    Then we have Chinmaya: Osho was Master of masters on Tantra. How would Chimaya know that? He definitely doesn’t come across as an expert on the subject. Wishing to make Osho special is his way of making his own ego special. I mean listen to this deep insightful pearl of wisdom: Those who could not acquire even one Rolls Rpyce in their life, they feel jealous to talk about 93 RR of Osho. Well, Chinmaya, I’ve driven dozens of RRs and all I can say is give me a top of the line Merc anyday of the week. Rolls Royce is an old show-off man’s car and in my opinon very boring to drive.

    Sex was a big part of Poona One energy field and it was a lot of fun. Osho enjoyed to have a bit of fun too. I was not originally attracted to Osho because of the free sex happening in his shram, but as far as a topping on a juicy cake goes I enjoyed it immensely with loads of beautiful women. I don’t believe creating a promiscuous society had anything to do with attracting disciples as far as Osho is concerned. But it was his way that the best way to get out of it is go into it. Just reading some of you fools’ comments shows how hung up on sex you are. Osho was all for the natural and there is nothing more natural than sex. Now you jokers think you have to defend his reputation in regards how his commune was run…what a fucking joke.
    Well I spent six years in Poona one and in case you have not heard the truth I’ll tell you…nearly everyone was enjoying a lot of sex and Osho was enjoying the fact that we were enjoying ourselves. Sexually fulfilled people make happy individuals and good disciples and students. And Osho liked to have happy people dancing around him, especially if they had big tits and nice ass. Half of you tossers wouldn’t recognize a tantric experience if it bit you on the ass, because you are all too busy listening to the sound of one hand wanking. Really, what a bunch of misguided wankers.

  26. shantam prem says:

    You are right Lokesh, only mispoint is that your car has gone stuck on the muddy island of Pune One, as far as Osho experience is concerned.
    Most probably you have made your life richer through many other ways, but it won´t harm anyone including you if you accept the above fact.

    And as this topic has been discussed again and again and many people including the present managers are trying to project Osho as a deep and peaceful Zen Master by not showing complete Osho.
    Osho is almost like Ganges. Started as a small stream, flowing in the mountains with rafting speed, merging small streams into it and than enriching the wheat and rice fields around the flat land… and as it is with Ganges, so all and sundry industries feel it as a right to pollute Osho Ganga…

    Ram Teri Ganga Meli ho gayi… Papiyon ke Paap dhote dhote
    ( Oh God..your Ganges has gone polluted by washing the deeds of the sinners)

  27. shantam prem says:

    Puns for those with a higher IQ
    (Thanks to Prem Jeevan, The gutsy Ma who is running
    Osho´s Times on the web in her/His style.

    Those who jump off a bridge in Paris are in Seine.

    A man’s home is his castle, in a manor of speaking.

    Dijon vu – the same mustard as before.

    Practice safe eating – always use condiments.

    Shotgun wedding – A case of wife or death.

    A man needs a mistress just to break the monogamy.

    A hangover is the wrath of grapes.

    Dancing cheek-to-cheek is really a form of floor play.

    Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

    Condoms should be used on every conceivable occasion.

    Reading while sunbathing makes you well red.

    When two egotists meet, it’s an I for an I.

    A bicycle can’t stand on its own because it is two tired.

    What’s the definition of a will? (It’s a dead give away).

    Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

    In democracy your vote counts. In feudalism your count votes.

    She was engaged to a boyfriend with a wooden leg but broke it off.

    A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion.

    If you don’t pay your exorcist, you get repossessed

    With her marriage, she got a new name and a dress.

    The man who fell into an upholstery machine is fully recovered.

    You feel stuck with your debt if you can’t budge it.

    Local Area Network in Australia – the LAN down under.

    Every calendar’s days are numbered.

    A lot of money is tainted – Taint yours and taint mine.

    A boiled egg in the morning is hard to beat.

    He had a photographic memory that was never developed.

    A midget fortune-teller who escapes from prison is a small medium at large.

    Once you’ve seen one shopping center, you’ve seen a mall.

    Bakers trade bread recipes on a knead-to-know basis.

    Santa’s helpers are subordinate clauses.

    Acupuncture is a jab well done.

  28. prem bubbie says:

    After reading all of your posts, not only on this thread, Shantam, you truly are a nut job!! I wonder if Meera is actually Shantam Prem in drag… You mumble about incoherently. When confronted you quickly to pretend to apologize then a little later , go back to you mumblings. Weird….

  29. prem bubbie says:

    A little back track to Ranch days… The edict from the top was also to be “appropriate”… For America it was not only to tone down the sexcapades, but to cut the long hair and be clean shaven(for the swamis), Suit and tie for job interviews with mala tucked in behind the shirt. Skirts and pants for the ma’s.. and , get this, get off the Welfare rolls and get a job!!! In other words, drop the Pune trip and go western!! The fucking continued, and often without condoms as contrary to the edict, as many from the ranch can attest to especially the big shot ma’s who were screwing the newly arrived homeless guys… maybe the phrase “fresh meat” also applies to women as well as men, that and the craving for black guys!!! So, Sadhu, Chinmaya, Anurag and others… get off your high horse…. this point has been made over and over… so much denial, still, Organized religion Osho has become thanks to clowns like you…. Disgusting!!!

  30. prem bubbie says:

    Thanks Lokesh for a very well written, straight to the point posting… What part of this doesn’t anyone understand… first SP, chinmaya, sadhu, anurag, meera etc, you have to take your head out of your ass to be able to listen and then understand!! Or are you guys just fuckin’ brain dead?

  31. prem bubbie says:

    If anyone remembers, whenever osho drove by at the ranch he always stopped for a longer time in front of people who danced and played drums and other musical instruments… I remember this small group of Italians, every day he’d just sit there in the Rolls, smiling, throwing his hands forward almost like a conductor. yes, Lokesh he enjoyed those people more who sang, played music and danced.. funny though that was only a small percentage of all sannyasins from what I saw….. Yes, Sannyasins are a serious bunch PRETENDING to be joyful at heart… Seriousness can’t be hidden no matter how hard you try. Say What Meera?

  32. Lokesh says:

    Okay, Bubbie, thanks for that.

  33. Anand says:

    So the great news is that a bunch of twenty year old kids from the West had sex when they spent time in India.
    Woow….
    Can you tell me any place any time where twenty year old kids do not have sex? Ever heard of the German love parade.
    So what is the big deal. We were all world travelers at that
    time and ended up in some Sunder Lodge or bamboo huts in Koregaon Park. Then we did some of Osho’s meditations, listened to Osho’s talks and mingled around. From around 1976 therapy groups were introduced at the ashram and Teertha span his net with the famous encounter groups. There was dope, love and music in the air. These were the seventies!
    And Osho smiled and gave his blessings..
    You want to know more? read through the Darshan diaries from those years.

  34. Anand says:

    Oh I forgot and Lokesh met his Prita at that time too.

  35. Satya Deva says:

    shantam prem:


    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

    Satya Deva, Please, watch this video and share your opinion.

    SD:
    Just a fairly boring (for me tonight) devotional scene, SP!

    Very Indian/eastern, fine if one really enjoys that stuff, it’s a valid enough practice, isn’t it?

    Not my cup of chai though, although I have enjoyed the singing and music of the full Amma ‘orchestra’ and choir, when attending her events in London, they perform wonderfully well.

    (Btw, you seem to have some sort of ‘fixation’ about me and Amma, SP, as if you’ve got it in your head that I profess to be some sort of devotee of hers. Sorry, 0old boy, that’s not the case at all, although yes, she’s well worth seeing when she’s in town.

    Perhaps you simply see what you want to see, SP?!).

  36. Lokesh says:

    Anand: Oh I forgot and Lokesh met his Prita at that time too.

    That is true.

  37. Anand says:

    Amazing isn’t it? All this free love ashram lifestyle and now it must have been over thirty years, Prita and Lokesh.

    My understanding: get deep into it, get through it and come out of it…., transcendence, intimacy. Maybe the old fox looked through this web of maya from the beginning.

    And my guess is, no kids Lokesh?

  38. Anand says:

    Or wasn’t there a kid before with Prita?

    memories…..

  39. MEERA says:

    FROM SEX

    TO SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS

  40. Anand says:

    Shantam: I watched the 7:12 min video of Amma….
    I wonder why would you post it?
    This is exactly what Jayesh, Amrito and Yogendra are trying to avert in the Osho ‘ashram’ Pune.
    Mindless bowing down to old pictures of Osho and singing devotional songs. Might make you feel good, but the light is within you and me and all. So we need to turn our devotion around to US.
    The light is with you.
    The light is within me.
    Now.
    And always.
    And forever.

    So no harm done in singing, but it is a waste of time.

    In that way I also do not care much for Amma.

  41. Lokesh says:

    So no harm done in singing, but it is a waste of time.
    Thus spoke Anand.
    My question is, taking into account that time does not actually exist, in relation to singing being a waste of time how would you rank spending time writing on this blog?

  42. shantam prem says:

    Bubbie, Shantam is neither Meera nor Chaitanya; i write with my identity and stand with it.
    I apologise many times, because even to hurt idiots is not my way, they are as beautiful as everybody else.
    Sometime though it becomes necessary to shrink them a bit when they put their hand in every one´s pocket.

    And i have not forgotten my previous question to you, How many chicks you got during your circumstantial/incidental/ accidental or was it a clear and conscious decision to be a sannyasin* stay in Ranch and how many Ma´s took their panites off for you after wards, because Osho is for sex sex sex.

  43. shantam prem says:

    Anand, i posted the video of Amma for SD. Just wanted to show, how religious flavour smells like, specailly when it is in the mudland of Hinduism.
    As i see.. when a Christian blood goes to church he is conservative, when he goes to Hindus; it is liberation.
    as it is mention in the pun,” A man needs a mistress just to break the monogamy.”

    Still..it is a matter of faith and personal opinion; yet it will amount to treachry and cunningness, when the same people who are bowing down before Amma´s picture, take it away after her death, because they want to expand the movement towrads non believers also.
    This is fuck in the ass attitude.
    Again there will be an exception, if Amma states catagorically in her will to take the photos away, let the dust merge into dust for ever.

    So what Jayesh and Amrito are doing, is this the command from Osho, or it is that a certain segment wants to hear it like this. I mean Anglo Sexon sannyasins paranoid by the ghosts of their parental religion.

  44. shantam prem says:

    With the blockbuster movie “3 Idiots” , Indian papers were discussing the differance between the words Idiot and Stupid.
    The other day, i came to know personally when while visiting my son, i forgot to clean the Kitchen Slab and his mother said,” Doff remains a Doff”(Silly, Idiot), before i react, she clarified, it is not bad while her best friend´s husband is not Doff but Dumm(Foolish, Stupid)

    So Bubbie, don´t take it in bad sense when i used the word Idiot.
    My tendancy to apologise!

  45. shantam prem says:

    MEERA // Jul 31, 2010 at 12:59 am

    FROM SEX
    TO SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS

    Good to see you again Meera. Can you tell without quoting Osho/Rajneesh, is it possible that once one reaches superconsciousness, takes a ride back,
    FROM SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS TO SEX.

  46. shantam prem says:

    The light is with you.
    The light is within me.
    Now.
    And always.
    And forever

    Similar song i have heard in the Church. The young music student was pouring her being out in the voice.

    Waste of time?
    Romance is a waste of time, sex is little bit less waste of time, Procreation is the pupose.

  47. shantam prem says:

    This is exactly what Jayesh, Amrito and Yogendra are trying to avert in the Osho ‘ashram’ Pune….

    Is this not a situation, Anand that Osho sowed so many seeds and they flowered in these three, and thus were born the saviours of Daddy´s garden.

    What happened with Others?
    Are all other seeds enjoying the picnic in their Wheel Chair?

  48. Lokesh says:

    In relation to Shantam Prem my question: Taking into account that time does not actually exist, in relation to singing being a waste of time how would you rank spending time writing on this blog?
    No answer is needed because it is obvious.

  49. shantam prem says:

    Lokesh, those who think it is a waste of time to go on writing at this site, they must use their time in a more productive ways.
    As it shows..not even .0001% percent of Osho people write on this bolg, i am happy that they have better things to do for example writing about their first PEE till the Last of the day on facebook.

    The conflict and the stuggle comes, when few people take the patriarchal role and start accepting from others to use the time in their way.

    You are not part of it, Lokesh, but similar situaion exist in Pune. Kirtan is a waste of time, we don´t do in the resort, in our resort, build with our dollers, and being the custodian of all that intelligent is, we decide you follow.
    Multiplax is running the empty theaters.
    Good for the outsourcing company and good for those who don´t want another religion.
    Without bothering when was the last time another religion came into existance.

  50. shantam prem says:

    Taking into account that time does not actually exist; about this i have no answer. does not like to read such kind of books.
    Barry Long´s The origins of Man and the Universe” has arrived. Let me see whether in his “opinion” time exist or not.

  51. Satya Deva says:

    I trust you have the updated, better produced ’93 edition, SP?

    I’m actually re-reading this book myself at present…Reckon such cosmic/consciousness issues are well covered there – so no need to ‘worry’, ok, SP?!!!

  52. shantam prem says:

    1998 edition, reprinted in 2001.
    by The Barry Long foundation International
    It could also be
    J Krishnamurti Foundation International
    Osho Foundation International

    With the …..Foundation International, Diehard disciples want to give the impression; we are not into Religiousity but in Spirituality.

    Tell an Escort girl, you are a Prosti., she will freak out.

    I hope to read this, preferably in Sauna or near some Lake, when eyes are more open and judgement is less.

  53. Alok john says:

    Bubbie wrote : ” Sannyasins are a serious bunch PRETENDING to be joyful at heart…”

    I have often thought this myself. I mean most people in their twenties would have been able to find sexual partners in London or Berlin or where ever without travelling to Pune. I have often thought many sannyasins had a lot of problems and that is why they “had” to become sannyasins.

  54. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam Prem:
    With the …..Foundation International, Diehard disciples want to give the impression; we are not into Religiousity but in Spirituality.

    SD:
    My God, do you ever stop wanting to push your ‘ashram agenda’, SP?

    Here, you’re not only annoyingly obsessive, but also well wide of the mark as both K and BL had nothing whatsoever to do with ‘religion’, either in their teachings or in the way these were and are presented.

    So your comment is relevant only to the Osho element…And there we go again (please re-read my first sentence, above!).

  55. Satya Deva says:

    Alok John:
    I have often thought many sannyasins had a lot of problems and that is why they “had to become sannyasins.”

    SD:
    Absolutely spot on, Alok.

    (Apart from you and me, of course!!).

  56. Alok john says:

    SD,

    I am afraid this includes me, SD. But I am sure it does not include you :)

  57. prem martyn says:

    I’ve just had some free sex…..and left the telly on the bbc channel as foreplay….a bit weird but i’m into most things …..apart from witnessing during cunnilingus….i often forget that when really its on the tip of my tongue…..

    and.. I never got enough free sex in Poona 1,2,3 or around the world communes.. is there anyway i can re-live the past or am I truly fucked? Is sexual regret a form of masticism .(she was blonde and french and i was too shy…)..

    .will i learn to love the sound of one hand……wanking….
    ……….does gardening help?
    answers on any old tissue paper please….

    Ps mr lyons…You’re fucked now !

  58. Anand says:

    Lokesh: absolutely waste of precious summer time.

    Singing preferred.

    Bowing down to pictures: I have my doubts

  59. Lokesh says:

    SP Barry Long´s The origins of Man and the Universe” has arrived.
    Well, in my opinion that is good news. It is a very interesting book, lending some original perspectives. The last 25% of the book is very difficult to digest and after returning to it over the last decade I am still not sure what to make of it. The first 75% is excellent. Although you would have had more fun reading my book. Here is what one top Amazon reviewer had to say about it.

    6 of 6 people found the following review helpful:
    5.0 out of 5 stars One of the best books I have ever read, May 22, 2008
    By Charles Ashbacher “(cashbacher@yahoo.com)” (Marion, Iowa United States(cashbacher@yahoo.com)) – See all my reviews
    (TOP 50 REVIEWER) (VINE VOICE)
    This review is from: Mind Bomb (Hardcover)
    This book has one of the most unusual overlying threads to the plot that I have ever seen. Hamish Macleod is on a trip to Southeast Cambodia in 2005 and he decides to take a late-night stroll on the beach. A little fatigued, he decides to sit down under a coconut palm. There are few things that he could have done that would be worse, for the audible click and the hard pressure on his buttock inform him that he has just sat down on an unexploded land mine.
    As common folklore dictates, his mind begins to recapitulate his life. It begins when he and his twin brother Angus are born, an event that claims the life of his mother. His father, a fisherman plying the stormy waters of the North Atlantic off the coast of Scotland, dies before returning home when his ship is wrecked by a storm. Hamish and Angus are split up and it is decades before they learn of the others’ existence.
    Using interleaved threads, Hamish relives Angus’ life as well. Both boys and then men live wild lives, crime and drug involvement are prominent. The story ends with the lines “Free of thought, he closed his eyes and found himself tottering on the brink of a great abyss. He jumped.” While this line could mean that Hamish got up off the mine, it could also be metaphoric, where his mind is just continuing to work.
    What stands out in this book is the incredibly creative imagery that the author uses to describe the events. At times it is hysterical; there is no part better than the section on the pillow being used as a masturbatory organ by the boys. After it reaches the point where it is ripe from overuse, the pillow was thrown into the seas. Caught by a fisherman, he samples the contents and finds it tasteful and capable of mimicking the highest quality Viagra. Being the enterprising sort, he uses it to mix up a liquid elixir and sells it to his friends.
    From the information on the title page, this is “The First Book of the Landmine Chronicles.” I am eagerly anticipating the sequel as this book is remarkably imaginative and one of the most engaging books I have ever read.
    The paperback is better edited than the hardback.

  60. Lokesh says:

    PS All proceeds go to Cambodian land mine victims. XXX

  61. Lokesh says:

    Prem Martyn you ask, .will i learn to love the sound of one hand……wanking?

    Going by some of our pals’ comments on this blog, I would say yes, you can count on it. Practice makes perfect…chug, chug, chug!

  62. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    ANAND says :
    This is exactly what Jayesh, Amrito and Yogendra are trying to avert in the Osho ‘ashram’ Pune.
    Mindless bowing down to old pictures of Osho and singing devotional songs. Might make you feel good, but the light is within you and me and all. So we need to turn our devotion around to US.
    The light is with you.
    The light is within me.
    _________________________________________+

    Actually it is that Amrito and Jayesh want people to see the Special Light in Them as Inner Circle of Osho
    and want new sannyasins who come to Poona to Bow to their wishes and control of The Inner Circle Power

    Amrito and Jayesh want people to respect them
    and forget Osho. As Amrito places the statement outside the Samadhi
    ” Forget Me and Forgive Me” says Osho

  63. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    Remembering the past article of Krishnaprem
    also using the new rajneesh term The Rapist

    Funny thing about Swami Rajneesh
    He first called the Osho Therapists

    Now he calls them the New Age Thera Priests
    in his new Youtube videos which are pure fire provoking therapists at Miasto Italy

    Hilarious funnny..Ha ha ha ha….
    New Age Thera Priests

    i wrote an email to him and he stated
    That New Age Thera Priest was Thera Pissed off !!!

    Rajneesh is getting funnier every day and has such pun and humour around him…wow…

    The Rapist
    Thera Priests
    Thera Pissed

    What next ???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  64. Satya Deva says:

    Alok john

    I am afraid this includes me, SD. But I am sure it does not include you :)

    SD:
    It most certainly does include me, sir! How dare you impute that I wasn’t almost completely f***ed up until I came across the ‘god-send’ of dynamic meditation?!

    Practising that ‘religiously’ for months on end (and more) soon lifted me out of a chronic depression that had seriously blighted my young life for 4 and a half years since age 21…

    That, plus total let-go ‘kirtan’ dance and the immediate impact of those post-dynamic ‘Bhagwan’ tapes were more than enough to send me off to India…

    For what? ‘Free sex’? Not at all, that simply didn’t enter the picture for me, it wasn’t even mentioned, or if it was it didn’t affect me. No, I went over there aiming for even more ‘energy highs’, the prospect of meditating in those explosive ways in the very presence of such an extraordinary being, whose methods had probably saved my health, sanity and even my very life.

    Prior to dynamic I’d tried plenty of things – years of psychiatric therapy, growth movement groups, including 48 hour marathons, bio-energetics – none of which had made any tangible difference.

    Sex? That wasn’t really on my radar at all, I was just grateful to be functioning ok…In fact, in Poona, if locals would ask me about all the sex going on between ‘unmarried men and women’ I simply – and honestly – replied by saying I didn’t know about it and I didn’t think it was actually happening very much at all!

    And ‘Bhagwan’ even advised me to “forget about relationships”…The joke being that when i’d asked him about “relationships” I hadn’t actually meant sexual ones at all, but just ‘normal’ interactions.

    I reckon he thought I meant sex stuff, but in any case his words liberated me from any other concerns I might have had about how I might be ‘getting on’ or otherwise with the few people I met (in cafes usually, and by chance rather than by design).

    And it took well over 3 years before I got into anything sexual in sannyas – and that only lasted 3 nights! (I think she liked the way I used to do the dynamic – but unfortunately, I wasn’t quite so ‘dynamic’ in everyday life…). Then, I waited another 2 years or so before my next encounter – a ‘one night stand’!

    It wasn’t until I was 34, ie 8 and a half years into sannyas, that I enjoyed a normal sex life, when a lengthy relationship began. And this was instigated by the woman concerned climbing into my bed one night, not by my initiative.

    So you see, Alok, I have most certainly been ‘a suitable case for treatment’ – although ok, I’ll let you keep the World Championship trophy, if you insist!

  65. Satya Deva says:

    Anurag:
    The Rapist
    Thera Priests
    Thera Pissed

    What next ???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    SD:
    What next?

    Well, Anurag, perhaps you might condescend to respond to my question of 4 days ago at the ‘Shantam/Master’s Day’ thread?

  66. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    What question was it that i did not answer ??
    Please ask the question Clearly here
    and i will answer you anytime SD

  67. Satya Deva says:

    How very lazy, Anurag!

    All you need to do is look there, 4 days ago, I spelt it out there.

    OK?!

  68. Satya Deva says:

    Today is July 31…31 – 4 = 27….

    Anything else you need to know?!

  69. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    All is ask is what is the Question Clearly
    as most messages are not specific and jumbled up
    so you can ask the specific question as it seems important to you !!! So Ask a clear question OK ???!!!

  70. Satya Deva says:

    No, Anurag, in fact there’s no chance of confusion.

    You simply have to make a small effort, that’s all…

    You can even find ‘instructions’ in my post of today over there.

    Unless you’re too self-important, of course….

  71. Lokesh says:

    Satya Deva your 4:03 post made good reading and yes I can relate to it.

    Thanks for being candid.

  72. Satya Deva says:

    Cheers, Lokesh.

    Of course, one can ‘construct an ego’ / conveniently false self from anything, even the most flawed of ‘raw materials’…!

    So, I find it best to just be grateful for whatever small (and it really is ‘small’!) progress I might have made, because it could well have been much worse….

    That, plus seeing the funny side if possible….

  73. Lokesh says:

    Yes, indeed.

    Quite recently I asked Maitreya, an old friend of mine who now claims to be enlightened, how he sees Osho in retrospect.

    He answered, ‘Osho created the climate, the buddhafield, for thousands of people to grow and flower. Let’s remember him for this hugely significant contribution to consciousness, rather than emphasize his sometimes questionable behaviour.’

  74. Anand says:

    In a way, during Pune 1 and 2 the ‘ashram’ felt it was
    ‘ours’. We also had to pay a small entrance fee, but it was our place and we all participated in its growth and functioning with love and soul.

    Now the same place, as a ‘resort’ feels like ‘theirs’, meaning Jayesh, Yogendra and Amrito and with the gym included costs $ 20.00 per day just to enter. And instead of spending time with friends the Sodeco people taking care.

  75. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    SD
    I have gone through your post and there is no real specific question but short comments unrelated to any particular question about Rajneesh.
    So why is it so difficult to ask the question here instead of posting another 3 more posts where to find it. It seems you do not know what you are asking me !!!

  76. Lokesh says:

    I wouldn’t worry too much about that, Anand. Why not see things in a more expansive way? The commune has gone global.

  77. Anand says:

    maybe it did…to Goa? Not to the USA.

  78. prem bubbie says:

    Thanks Satya Deva for that post. Includes me too, but there’s no way to squeeze it into a post-able size…. At least we have/had the balls to admit that our minds are wacked.. for that matter it’s a genetic problem plaguing humans… so few don’t seek treatment. My point was that there are a lot of sannyasins who are great pretenders, for whatever nutty reason… Like joining up just to get laid, that kind of thing… and with regards to the nuts who post here, Lady Koo Koo-Meera and company, I haven’t the slightest clue….

  79. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    Yes it seems thousands of sannyasins are moving towards Goa from where it all began in1974 Poona Bhagwan movement.
    Goa is relaxed and inexpensive place to hangout and also chill on the beaches.
    Russians running away from ice cold long winters love the sun and beaches and now Rajneesh has attracted many old sannyasins into his Cocom project.
    I heard that 68 cottages are already sold just in the past 5 weeks to sannyains from all over the world
    and now only 12 remain available.
    It seems Goa will be the new Trance space if a real Osho Commune happens there.
    The idea of Free Osho Groups and Therapies and Osho Trainings are a great idea for these times.
    Also total freedoom and no entry passes and all based on donations only.
    Remember Bhagwan received more money through Donations out of grateful sannyasins and also received their total participation and love.
    Rajneesh knows what he is doing and it feels the Cocom is to become successful and a new model for communes perhaps ??

  80. Satya Deva says:

    Swami Dhyan Anurag

    SD
    I have gone through your post and there is no real specific question but short comments unrelated to any particular question about Rajneesh.
    So why is it so difficult to ask the question here instead of posting another 3 more posts where to find it. It seems you do not know what you are asking me

    SD:
    Then you haven’t looked in the right place, Anurag.

    Or, you’ve decided you can’t be bothered?

    It’s really very simple and on principle I’m not going to repeat myself.

    Either you’re tired, ill, stuoid, or don’t want to deal with it…..

  81. shantam prem says:

    Anand // Jul 31, 2010 at 8:24 pm
    In a way, during Pune 1 and 2 the ‘ashram’ felt it was
    ‘ours’. We also had to pay a small entrance fee, but it was our place and we all participated in its growth and functioning with love and soul.

    Now the same place, as a ‘resort’ feels like ‘theirs’, meaning Jayesh, Yogendra and Amrito and with the gym included costs $ 20.00 per day just to enter. And instead of spending time with friends the Sodeco people taking care.

    Lokesh // Jul 31, 2010 at 8:43 pm
    I wouldn’t worry too much about that, Anand. Why not see things in a more expansive way? The commune has gone global.

    Lokesh you are right to say commune has gone global, because you were not part of the end years.

    Yet like a priest, you are free to say, when someone dies untimely, ” The departed soul is every where. God´s garden has one more flower or like an angel, the soul is showering love from above us.”

  82. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    SD You are very busy and cannot be bothered !!
    So why be bothered to receive my answer ??
    And i have not found any specific question asked but just few comments and remarks. Where is the Question asked Specifically ?? Now who is dumb Stupid or does not want to deal with it here ??
    And i am also not going to repeat myself again !!!

  83. shantam prem says:

    Anurag has mentioned more than two three times that “The rapist, term has been coined by His Rajneesh.
    This is a statement of over zealous Taliban(Student) who thinks Jihad was originated by Bin Laden and Mullah Omar.

    From 1987 onwards, during many many comedy shows in the ashram, this term for therapists has been used quite often. No need to say, therapists skits were the most hilarious ones, every body could relate with them.

  84. shantam prem says:

    “In a way, during Pune 1 and 2 the ‘ashram’ felt it was
    ‘ours’. We also had to pay a small entrance fee, but it was our place and we all participated in its growth and functioning with love and soul.

    Now the same place, as a ‘resort’ feels like ‘theirs’, meaning Jayesh, Yogendra and Amrito and with the gym included costs $ 20.00 per day just to enter. And instead of spending time with friends the Sodeco people taking care.”
    Anand, in this paragraph you have diagnosed the symptoms quite well.
    have you some idea how, “theirs” will become “ours” again, without doubt in Us, They are also included.

    And Us is a generic term so that whenever some seekers enter the compound, feel like it is ours, whether it is 2020 or 2121.

  85. Satya Deva says:

    And he certainly wasn’t the first to use the term “priests” for therapists either. Sorry, Anurag, your man just isn’t an original.

    People like Anurag strike me as being in the grip of a certain kind of semi (even, at times, total) hysteria, seemingly almost blindly worshipping someone so obviously flawed as the clone rajneesh.

    I mentioned the doppelganger to a friend of mine recently, who told me this evening that she’d checked him out at youtube and found him very unimpressive, a vastly inferior, second-hand version of Osho!

  86. Satya Deva says:

    Anurag:

    SD You are very busy and cannot be bothered !!
    So why be bothered to receive my answer ??
    And i have not found any specific question asked but just few comments and remarks. Where is the Question asked Specifically ?? Now who is dumb Stupid or does not want to deal with it here ??
    And i am also not going to repeat myself again !!!

    SD:
    Go to the relevant thread, Anurag, and you’ll find a slightly revised version of my message of this morning.

    Are you deficient in English or something?!

  87. shantam prem says:

    Immigrants from Latin America, Maxico, Africa, India or Vietnam feel like reaching somewhere when they enter USA and look at the statue of Liberty, but never heard or read a single memoair, where someone says, He has reached Home.

    Few years before in Switzerland, i was soabing while reading the compilations of Khalil Gibran´s corraspondance from Chicago .

    On the other side, many people have reported that the day they entered India and felt its humid air and masquoe bite still something inside was feeling like reaching Home.

    This grace, this warmth, this motherly chest, Osho and many other modren mystics have tried to share with the western world.
    and one can see once these mystics left the earth, the western management has spread the carpet of sand over their fertile land.
    The growth of these mystics effort simply took a downward whirl.

    Few hyper senstive westerns may see this as a blame but it is not. May be they can see the long arms of mind crushing the whispers of heart energy.

  88. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    SD You sound very demanding and like an authoritative person here. I am not your servant !!!
    As far as Rajneesh is concerned he has just began to speak after almost 17 years in the mountains.
    Have you seen any pictures or videos of
    Mohan Chandra Rajneesh of 1954 when he became enlightened ??
    Have you seen any pictures or Videos of Acharya Rajneesh of 1964 when he started to speak ??
    This alone is a period of 10 years gap,
    Then we see him as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh in 1974. Yet another gao of 10 years !!
    So how whould you have recognised him as the greatest Master Osho in 1954 Huh ??
    All blind sannyasins seeing Osho 30 years after he had time to polish and perfect delivery of his message.
    Just answer if we have any footage of Raw Mohan Chandra Rajneesh of 1954 or even till 1964 till 1970 onwards.
    If you understand you will see where this is all leading towards and how Swami Rajneesh is coming ono the world of sannyasins soon !!!

  89. Lokesh says:

    The big question everyone is asking is: When are Satya Deva and Anurag getting married.

    I’m getting married in the morning! Ding dong!
    The bells are gonna chime. Pull out the stopper!
    Let’s have a whopper! But get me to the church on time!

  90. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    Yes Lokesh
    Jesus waits for you
    Good boy go to the church on time
    Tommorow is Sunday church !!!

  91. Lokesh says:

    Anurag. The mistake you are making here is that you feel you have to defend your pal Rajneesh. It is important to understand that whenever you feel the need to defend something that means your ego is involved. If that were not the case the need to become defensive would not arise. Therefore your story with Rajneesh is an ego trip. If he is any kind of teacher he will tell you this. Why not ask him about your need to defend him. If he is who you believe him to be, namely an enlightened man, he will tell exactly what I have told you. It is not that difficult to figure out’. If he does not tell you that this kind of defensive behaviour arises from the ego, then he is a fraud posing as an enlightened person.

  92. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    Strange as Rajneesh told me a few days ago that there was no need to speak for him as people will not understand.He always mentions this to his fiends to let things happen slowly.I am not defending him but speaking out of my heart and saying what i feel is needed here. Which is not my Ego but my Love.
    why do you all defend Osho. Out of your Ego ??

  93. shantam prem says:

    Just to make the above point clear, as an Indian who has blood bond with the west, thanks to the Oshofield
    innumerable times in a day, my heart beats with gratitude for the west, for ex. when i see street cars reaching on time, train conductors polite and friendly,not treating trains as their father´s property.
    with folded hands i say thank you because not a single time, an office clerk has asked for some Bakshish(bribary). On the streets, many times i look into the faces of police people and never see a devil waiting for his catch.
    i may miss the warm air of India and its mystical magic but hardly miss the political and bureaucratic fabric of India because i know even if i die in a stampede here(RIP 21 Love parade participants), life and death is more sacred than five to ten thousand dollars for a single count of dead body.
    As Osho has mentioned many times and is one of those honest Indians who has acknowledged the enormous contribution of western civilisation and also has pointed towards the head strongness of this civilisation.

    Therefore it is up to the representatives of this great civilisation that they stop their hegemony in those sphares of life, where they are students and not teachers.
    It is a sincere suggestion.

  94. Lokesh says:

    Anurag: your response is verging on the defensive again. You say: why do you all defend Osho. Out of your Ego ?? Note the need to put ?? This is a form of attack, which some would say is the best way to defend.
    Really, this is a basic law I have explained to you. It is up to you wether or not to accept that this is a universal way in which ego functions. Sooner or later you will understand this. It is your problem not mine.

    I don’t feel that I have to defend Osho, especially taking in to consideration the man has been dead for over twenty years. I don’t care very much about people’s opinions of Osho. I know who he was in relation to me and that is fine.
    I have the feeling that you might be out of your depth. Perhaps I am wrong and you will get what I am saying. Your next comment will probably clarify what is going on with you.

  95. Lokesh says:

    SP I find your east/west vision myopic and based on ideas that are no longer relevent. For the first time in history we have a global civilization. Unfortunately it is man’s insatiable appetite for material things that has brought about this current unification. The things that you describe have more to do with wealth distribution than values created by an advanced civilization. If India makes enough money they will have a legoland society too.

  96. Swami Dhyan Anurag says:

    Osho last statement

    Never speak of me in the Past !!!

    and his final words

    Never Born Never Died
    ________________________________________

    Here you state that he is dead / and that too 20 years.
    _________________________________________

    Quote “I don’t feel that I have to defend Osho, especially taking in to consideration the man has been dead for over twenty years.
    _________________________________________

    Osho is Presence and not a dead Person
    so say clearly that the body of Rajneesh Chandra Mohan Died 20 years ago

    Osho means Presence !!!!

    I feel you all of you here need to have your brains or your heart examined.
    I am too stupid and egoistic for such an intelligent group like you SatyaDeva, Lokesh, Bubbie and Anand

    So this is my last comment here
    as Rajneesh also said that there is no use to waste my time on SannyasNews as it is dead and wasted with sour and bitter people who have no other Life.

    So bye bye,
    And i have now bought a cottage at the Osho Cocom and celebrate the new commune.

    Bye Bye SannyasNews for this lifetime !!!

  97. Anand says:

    Look Anurag, you have all of our blessings to be with swami rajneesh and buy a cottage with him on the Cocom land in Goa.

    We warned you in depth, but you seem to be under his thumb already. I have lived 35 years as an Osho sannyasin and every day is fresh in that relationship, but live and let live.

    I agree with your commentary to Lokesh, who writes that Osho died twenty years ago. Yes his body died, but it could never say, he died for many and many others. He is alive and well and kicking and giggling…. but then dear Lokesh, he might have died for you and then you argue that he he has been a drug addict. Nothing wrong that you feel that your connection to Osho had died, that you explored new and different paths….but the energy with Osho is mysterious.

  98. prem bubbie says:

    Don’t worry you’ll be back Anurag and along with your twin Rajneesh…. When you want to promote something… free advertising on Sannyas News… cheap bastards… how about BUYING advertising space, you have the money or Do You? (Check your Swiss Banks Accounts)

  99. anugrah says:

    Prem Bubbie,
    how are you doing today ? what will be next posting , i can not wait to read

  100. Satya Deva says:

    Anurag:
    SD You sound very demanding and like an authoritative person here. I am not your servant !!!

    SD:
    Yes, Anurag, I’ve simply ‘demanded’ that you make a small effort to repy to my question of, now 5 days ago.

    Some would say it’s a simple matter of common courtesy, or at least, of being conscientious enough to bother to follow the conventions of a discussion arena such as this one.

    And how you missed my two posts at the thread in question yesterday is a mystery to me. Unless you found it convenient to overlook them?

    Never mind, I guess you’ll dig out an Osho or rajneesh quote to explain and justify yourself….

  101. Satya Deva says:

    In case anyone’s interested, 5 days ago I simply asked Anurag to provide evidence, ie written, oral or video refs., for what he claimed Osho said about rajneesh.

  102. Lokesh says:

    Anurag was simply out of his depth. Being ignorant is not a crime.
    Anand, in regards to my comments about Osho having been dead for 20 years, you are quoting me out of context. Towards the end of your comment you come across as smug, Conceitedness is a human quality that I would not wish to emulate.
    ‘Connected to Osho’ does not really ring a bell for me. I do feel connected with my self, though, and that is good enough for me. Besides, who are you to judge how connected or disconnected anyone is to anyone? In this life it is more than enough to deal with one’s own connectivity.
    Judging others is not needed. We can only judge a persons actions never who they really are inside. One thing that LSD showed me is that you never really know what level of consciousness another person is on, no matter how evolved you imagine yourself to be. You conclude: the energy with Osho is mysterious. Fair enough. I find that life in general is mysterious. The difference between our perceptions is that I don’t need to label that mystery with a name. That’s all.

  103. Forest Gump says:

    Anurag,

    You are so innocent to encounter these clever dicks.

    Enjoy your pilgrimage; my heartiest best wishes are with you.

    You see, this forum is a therapy for many jacks here since they can’t afford to see a psychotherapist, so they find it DIY occupational therapy…. Poor fellas..

    There are other dicks here, still lost in their jerkin paradise that happened thirty years ago. Now when even Viagra is not helping raising their dead parts, their delusions put their faith of dead past to present being dead as well. Really pathetic situation of old Turkeys, nothing unusual though, it’s normal to happen with eccentric jerks at their old age.

    Don’t worry, Its all game..Feel free to come back and play when you feel so.

    Shantam Pyare..How are you!! My dear… I really enjoy reading your posts. Thanks for writing to BBC and your continued effort to build temple in deep slums. My heartiest gratitude to you.

    Anand..I am always glad to see you pitchin sharp posts.

  104. Lokesh says:

    There is one in every crowd.

  105. Satya Deva says:

    Anurag:
    Have you seen any pictures or videos of
    Mohan Chandra Rajneesh of 1954 when he became enlightened ??
    Have you seen any pictures or Videos of Acharya Rajneesh of 1964 when he started to speak ??
    This alone is a period of 10 years gap,
    Then we see him as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh in 1974. Yet another gao of 10 years !!
    So how whould you have recognised him as the greatest Master Osho in 1954 Huh ??
    All blind sannyasins seeing Osho 30 years after he had time to polish and perfect delivery of his message.
    Just answer if we have any footage of Raw Mohan Chandra Rajneesh of 1954 or even till 1964 till 1970 onwards.
    If you understand you will see where this is all leading towards and how Swami Rajneesh is coming ono the world of sannyasins soon !!!

    SD:
    However, Anurag (if you’re still dropping by here – you know, sort of surreptitiously, ‘unercover agent’-style), I somehow don’t think ‘Mohan Chandra Rajneesh’ would have bothered to simply imitate another Master, right down to eyebrow movements, do you?!

    The fact is your rajneesh is an imitator, a self-cloned copycat, and as such, deeply unimpressive.

    I actually find him rather ‘creepy’, especially when he smiles…

    Each to his own though, I guess…

    PS:
    I hear your lot are having certain difficulties with the Goa site, even the local drugs etc.’Mafia’.
    Any comments about that?

  106. Forest Gump says:

    Lokesh,
    Did LSD or Osho or other mystics help you reach this conclusion “life in general is mysterious”?

    I meant to ask how and why did you reach this conclusion. I am further curious, for an instance, “if there was any mystery unfolded for you”, do you have any gratitude for that?

  107. shantam prem says:

    I think we all have heard many times this example from Osho, when a Jaina recalls Buddha as Mahatma(great soul) but Mahavira as Bhagwan(The top word for blessed one) and vice versa.

    So a question comes in mind, ” Do we have the feelings to put Osho in the same line as Buddha or Jesus?

    I am from Sikh background, so to be on the fair side, i can ask myself, ” Can i put Osho Guru Nanak?

    On my book shelf, Photos of both are lying next to each other.(Osho´s photo is original, Nanak´s Photo is a imagination of a painter. Does it make a differance?)

  108. Satya Deva says:

    “Imagination of a painter”? I’d say, yes, it most certainly does make a difference, SP…

    That’s one of the problems, our ‘addiction’, one might say, to imagination, which is another way of saying to what we’d like or prefer to be true, rather than what actually is the case.

    Osho in same line as Buddha or Jesus?
    Depends entirely on what one lives, I guess…If Osho is your true inspiration, what does it matter where you place anyone else in the ‘pantheon’ of Masters? Nothing at all.

    As you know, surely, SP, this isn’t ‘an intellectual affair’, it’s supposed to be ‘real life’…!!

  109. Satya Deva says:

    Lokesh (on Forrest Gump):
    There is one in every crowd.

    SD:
    Seems the fella FG has little hold on either truth or irony….

  110. Forest Gump says:

    Shantam,

    I feel, just a personal revelation of the matter to make such decisions. Pictures of Osho, Buddha, Guru Nanak or enlightened master bring positivity to those who pine. Others will be blind to blend LSD, addictions and Osho.

  111. Forest Gump says:

    SD,
    Keep on boinking on your so called “Truths”. I can see, this therapy is certainly not working for you, so I sincerely advice to go look for some other free avenues.

  112. Satya Deva says:

    Not while there are nitwits like you to wind up, Chump, it’s too enjoyable.

    As I said, no idea of truth and no sense of irony!

    You really must work harder, y’know….

  113. prem martyn says:

    LOkesh ….Is Wanking the flight of the alone to the alone…?

  114. Chinmaya says:

    Dear Shantam,

    Osho says,

    YOU (This is for Shantam Prem) ARE MY FELLOW TRAVELERS. SO I HAVE AVOIDED THE WORD “GURU” — because of its derogatory connotations. I have avoided the term “religious leader” — because the word “leader” means, “I know and you do not know — so you follow me, and you believe in me.” That I cannot say to anybody; that is simply humiliating the person.

    WHATSOEVER I KNOW, I PUT IT BEFORE YOU. If you feel like choosing, you choose. Wherever I am going, I make it clear to you. I don’t say, “Come and follow me.” That is up to you. That is your freedom.

    I am in a strange position — WHAT WORD TO USE? “Guru” has become an ugly word. Its translation in English as “master” has also lost its meaning. So I am saying to you: I AM YOUR (SHANTAM PREM) FRIEND ON THE PATH. I am ready to be your light, I am ready to be your guide — because the guide is not holier than you (Oh dear Shantam) or higher than you. He just knows the way. The way is there. He can help you to move on the way. He can help you to avoid the pitfalls. (May be you are in Freiburg or in Pune).

    But this is my side: that I AM ONLY A FRIENDLY GUIDE. From your side, you are free what you think — I cannot decide that.

    So, says Guru Nanak, at many places in His Vani as inscribed in the Holy book of Sikhs. You are a pious soul. God bless.

  115. Anand says:

    Millions of seekers arrived at the shores of Osho. There must be millions of individual stories to tell, all different….

    So I am not intending to judge anybody’s individial experience either looking for the master outside or for the
    inner self.

    Some of us like Lokesh and me arrived in the seventies and used LSD for their journey to the sacred, to unveil the mysteries of life and being. That was part of growing up at that time and exploring life and being.
    And this part of our journeys made us arrive at the gates of 17 Koregaon Park.

    So I will always honor that part of the journey.

  116. shantam prem says:

    So back to the original agenda, Is Ashram in Pune just a Resort with few of Osho´s jump, shout, dance in silence meditation techniques and some body building machines and may be a Sauna with mandatory bikini and swimming trunk…
    Or it is all the above plus the…. That land where my true master comes and sits,becomes green and fertile,Those beings who go and behold my true Guru
    are rejuvenated-

    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

    The EX. Christian Sannyasins who prefer to walk alone than getting adopted; it is good, very good.
    it is a sign of maturity and warrior in the heart, but there are simple hearted people who don´t want some Avatara, some prophet, some saviour but a MAster they can pour out the tears of gratitude, For such people 1990-1999 model of Pune is relevant NOW and for coming few centuries.

    This is the situation Gumpy, to built temple in the slum is joyful and easy, but to restore the temple in between the suburb of upper middle class is a map less journey.

  117. Forest Gump says:

    Shantam says “There are simple hearted people who don´t want some Avatara, some prophet, some savior but a Master they can pour out the tears of gratitude”

    Shantam, it’s so beautiful to put it in such a simple words….Thank you.

  118. prem bubbie says:

    Nice to see you back Sw. Mr. Dump!!! I enjoy taking target practice especially with targets with a big bulls eye. Gotta love this mr. Dump or are you mr. sw. rajneesh?

  119. shantam prem says:

    Gump
    Just for game sake, my name is Butt Pimple.
    My comment will be like this-

    Butt Pimple // Aug 1, 2010 at 10:53 pm

    Shantam , when you will accept that your master has died 20 years ago. How long you will live in Denial.
    Wake up man, time is running out.

    It looks like Osho was dealing with Ravana. Every time He choped the head, one extra grows with the first one.

  120. Forest Gump says:

    Shantam,

    Someone in this blogs said

    “Connected to Osho’ does not really ring a bell for me.”

    A few others conveyed the same thing in one way or another.

    Here I share a story of Mahatma Gandhi in the same context.

    Mahatma Gandhi became celibate at the age of 37 gained lot of respect before India’s independence. After India became independent, People of India had to decide about whom to give credit & reward one as “Father of nation”. There were many contestants who sacrificed for India and also claimed to be Mahatma including Gandhi.

    So they were asked to go through celibacy test to find out the greatest Celibate Mahatma among them.
    Condition was that they will be exposed to super hot prostitutes to get a lap dance and a bell will be tied to their dicks in such a way that it would ring if they get any erection.

    Everyone failed and their bell rang except Mahatma Gandhi’s.

    So he was entitled to be “Father of nation” for his extreme austerity and celibacy.

    India’s first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru who knew the man better and also was close friend to him, couldn’t resist and took him aside asked to take his Lungi (pants) and show him his dick. Gandhi smiled and took it off and showed it to Jawaharlal. Jawaharlal looked and said, Oh man, No wonder Wise man calls you the most cunning politician happened, and there was no freaking clapper in the bell yoke. So it didn’t ring although he jerked off big time during the lap dance.

    Moral of story: Bell won’t ring for the sly wankers, because there is no clapper.

  121. Forest Gump says:

    Friends,

    Poop Prem Bubbie has been hostile towards Forest Gump from the previous life. Here is what happened:

    Forest Gump & Poop Prem Bubbie lived in the same neighborhood in the previous life. So they knew each other. And you know, people were caring and more social in the past. But Poop Bubbie has been carrying bad karmas from many lives, so he was the same even in his previous life, eccentric, irritated and what not.

    Poop Bubbie happened to have one antique sword from his ancestors that was extremely valuable.

    One day that sword got stolen, people in the neighborhood started to visit him to express their concern and soothe him. First person came and asked, what happened!! Where did leave the sword last time, Poop said I kept in the room, The person blamed him and said, I see, so you didn’t lock the room, so its your fault that its stolen now. Bubbie said, OK whatever. My fault huh!!.

    Next person came, asked him same thing, where did you keep it. Bubbie said, oh, you know, I kept it in the room & also locked it. Person said, so I see, you didn’t have any guards outside the room, the fault is yours. Bubbie got little irritated, but didn’t stumble.

    Next person came, asked him same thing, where did you keep it. Bubbie said, oh, you know, I kept it in the room, locked it and there was guard outside the room. Person said, oh I see, the guard didn’t the gun, so the fault is yours. Bubbie got pissed off and exclaimed “Fuck Off”.

    Now Forest Gump came, asked him same thing, where did you keep the sword Bubbie!! Bubbie was so irritated & already frustrated and yelled, OK, I was carrying it in my ass, now explain it to me how was it my fault. Forest Gump said, oh I see, of course it was your fault, Perhaps the handle was out.!!!

    Bubbie ran behind Forest Gump in hostility and until today he is pissed off.

    My friend, Poop Bubbie!!! Forget about the past, I am ready to hug you.

  122. prem bubbie says:

    Didn’t you steal that story from Sw. Mr. rajneesh? he said it was told to him by a clown by the name of Bozo…. Big red nose that Bozo has… when you pull his leg it lights up…. When we pull rajneesh’s leg he get pissed off…. he needs to take clown lessons from Bozo.

  123. Forest Gump says:

    He said that to you?

    When did you become his follower?

    I thought you are the EX. Christian Sannyasins who prefer to walk alone than getting adopted as Shantam mentioned.

    What are you cooking, Bubbie? Are you going to backstab him as per your usual habit?

  124. Lokesh says:

    Anand your 4:46 comment. 5stars.

    Gump. Someone in this blogs said

    “Connected to Osho’ does not really ring a bell for me.”

    That was not someone who said that. It was me and it still rings true.
    You ask: Did LSD or Osho or other mystics help you reach this conclusion “life in general is mysterious”?
    Open your eyes and just for once in your life try answering a question without the use of crutches.

    Martyn you ask: Is Wanking the flight of the alone to the alone…?
    In essence it is a poor substitute for the real thing and there fore more in line with crawl of the lonely to the even more lonely.

  125. shantam prem says:

    “Connected to Osho’ does not really ring a bell for me.”
    It is a benediction Lokesh.
    For billions of people, such bell does not ring.

    May be not millions but few hundred thousand people get WET, when they hear a sentence uttered by Osho, few thousand people still feel that every second in every year spend in the Osho Ashram, Pune was worth of its time and money.

    Do these people have the fundamental right or not to protect and nourish their territory.

    As the life is, many times bell rings, romance blossom and people fall in love, get married.
    if sometime later bell does not ring, without pretension, same people go separate ways, get divorce.

    Is there some purpose still left to go on Sniffing the panties of the Ex.; that satin red colored thing SHE was wearing on that fateful night of 11 December, 1978.
    “Thirty three years later, whenever i touch the texture.. your DNA my love make me wank…”
    WHo knows.. the bell was not ringing in the ears of other party. She got the better choice…

    Who says, Loyalty in Master-Disciple relating should be for life long. Master Like Osho, did not give His life long service even to His young and stunning sweetheart.!

  126. shantam prem says:

    I think in 2570 years History of Buddha and 2000 years history of Jesus, “The Crutches” were not mentioned as much as it is during the last 20 years of late Osho…

    Wonder is even the Bible holders and Geeta preachers till today will tell to Osho´s disciples to come back to reality and dare to walk alone,drop the Crutches!!!

    What to say to such lukcy people who think their nut and God´s nut are hanging together, don´t go anywhere, just look inside your underpants.

  127. Satya Deva says:

    That’s probably because it’s now time for the human race to grow up, SP.

  128. Lokesh says:

    Hey shantam Prem, that ringing you hear has nothing to do with a connection to Osho. It is an alarm bell signalling that the hour is getting late and you are still asleep. But don’t be worried, you are not alone in your plight. You have plenty of chumps to keep you company. I notice that Gump is a big fan of yours. How embarassing. Ha ha, Shantam. The joke is on you, baba.

  129. shantam prem says:

    It is a matter of Research, why people on a spiritual path become Alarmist; what is in them which see the terrible happening in the coming future, the future which never comes in the way they Visualised, the future when it comes bring nice goodies for the collective humanity.

    Bible thumping Jehovah the witness all the time, Osho in 1984-1990 or man others Now thinking 2012 will bring immense destruction and those who will take the shelter under their Umbrella will feel protected, saved.

    So if by chance, some day like this becomes reality, i will prefer to vanish with the sleeping humanity than to live in the company of such stinking ass holes, who think just by sitting in Lotus posture, one does not need toilet paper.

  130. shantam prem says:

    When someone takes the dark glasses away, which they give in 3D movies and in Satsangs; world is growing with utter ease and speed.
    MAy be on religious front it is limping, perheaps the monopoly of the old is too strong and the New- it walks like Octapous but cannot think like Octapous Saint Paul.
    The so called New, most probably, thinks like Bodhisatva Tota Ram Parrot. This Bodhisatva parrot, when resides in India..says Ram Ram Ram Ram when remember its roots in Europe, recites, ” Fuck Ram fuck Ram**

  131. shantam prem says:

    Disclaimer
    Bye God.. The sentence.. “in the company of such stinking ass holes…. It is not pointing towards any Individual, which i know by name or face.

  132. shantam prem says:

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videoshow/6246572.cms

    This is a video of Shashi Tharror with is would be wife offering prayers at Sai Baba Temple.
    Dr. Tharoor is one of the young and savvy politician, who got the Doctorate from some prestigious British university in the shortest period, who after serving more than two decades in UNO was standing for the Secretary General job after Kofi Annan, dd not got the job in the voting , because he was not going to tow the lines of white House.

    So a intelligent, rich and ethically strong man who is fluent in English and the country makes fun of this, is bowing down in a temple of Sai baba. The man died few decades ago and now His stone statue is worshiped by millions, including the intelligent ones.

    So are we going to put such people in the lower hierarchy of spiritual development?

    it will be interesting to note, Sai baba did not leave any instructions for such temple, His followers created an empire without His knowing on the lines of Hinduways, as it is not even clear whether Baba was Hindu or Muslim, a simple innocent mystic, who has been deeply admired by Osho.

    But in the same way, the adolescent folllwers doing headstand again want to create an empire but with different strategy, again by going against the spirit of their master-Osho.

    And the laughable thing is Dynasty at Pune is shrinking with record speed. Neither meditators are coming, nor the devotees. Common sannyasins are walking their walk and business executives go to their churches and temples and for massage and fitness to other facilities.

    Without understanding the heartbeats of human heart, people want to claim awakening.
    i just want to know how many Veterinarians are running NHS hospitals in UK?
    They can surely send their delegate to study the present working of one of its kind institution started by OSHO.

  133. anugrah says:

    MANY OF US TURNED TOWARDS OSHO BECAUSE OF HIS VISION FOR NEW MAN . AND HIS VIEWS ABOUT LOVE , FREEDOM AND MEDITATION. AND BETTER LIFE .
    BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE IN 17 KOREGAON PARK. LOTS OF FOCUS HAS BEEN GIVED TO OSHO MEDITATION TECHNIQUES AND NOT ON LOVE AND FREEDOM.
    IT IS ALMOST CRIME TO FALL IN LOVE WITH SOMEONE OVER THERE OR EVEN TRY TO SPEAK YOUR FEELINGS .
    BOMBAY , PUNE CITIES ARE MORE OPEN TO LOVERS THAT OSHO RESORT.
    WHY IS LIKE THAT?

  134. Lokesh says:

    Anugrah you ask: WHY IS LIKE THAT?

    Well, how about this. Life expresses itself in myriad ways.To some life appears to be in harmony, while to others it is just the opposite.This is how it is. Ego conceptualizes a perfect life by the observence of what it imagines are desirable and non-desirable happenings. The ego forms conditions from thoughts and thus man lives expecting his conditions to be fulfilled. The thing is, conditions are built from thoughts and therefore have a tendency to disappear. Therefore ‘you’ have to keep creating conditions to keep the primary conditions alive.
    You cling to these conditions in the misguided belief that once the are fulfilled happiness will be the outcome. But if this were true how come you are unhappy, in this case in the name of abstracts like love and freedom. This sets in motion a process of thinking about problems and how to go about solving them. But solutions are nothing more than conditions that create more problems. A viscious circle.
    In reality life exists without solutions and problems. You have all the love and freedom in the world available to you right now, without conditions having to be ideal to experience these things. You simply need the vision to see that is how it is. You talk about Osho’s vision of the new man. The new man lives unconditionally and love and freedom come as by products of living like that. What do you think, the new man has to have everything his way and only then he will be happy? Because taht is what your comment suggests. Why not simply drop your conditioned mind and stop complaining about things. It will all pass soon enough. Why bother getting so identified with all this resort nonsense?

  135. Satya Deva says:

    If it’s only possible to live Osho’s teachings (whatever they were) in the midst of a large ashram-type community, then that doesn’t say a lot for his teachings, does it?

    This obsession with an ashram, a community, has become a neurosis…I mean, just look at rajneesh and his lot – lately-departed-from-here-but-not-mourned Anurag, for example…

    What did he say – something like ‘Warriors for Freedom and Love’, or some similar self-dramatising phrase…

    Try being such a ‘warrior’ in your own, normal, everyday life, out in the ‘real world’, then you might learn a few things and earn some genuine ‘spiritual credentials’!

  136. Satya Deva says:

    Right on, Lokesh (I’d finished my post before seeing your latest).

  137. shantam prem says:

    As a long time Poona Bird, without going into the wise talk, i must say Anugrah aka Amano that in the matter mentioned by you, a long time correction was needed at the ashram.
    Osho´s vision was misused by the people who were unable to distinguish between freedom and licentiousness.

    When few people hang around in the ashram whole day with the idea as if it is a pick up joint, some measurements were required to stop that tendency.

    Though in this process, screws has been tightened too much as the dialogue between the well wisher sannyasins could not take place.
    The result is…. Dhobi ka Kuta na ghar ka na ghat ka
    (washerman´s dog, belongs neither to the house nor washing place on the banks

  138. Anand says:

    Now today mad swami rajneesh opened another facebook page ‘India Osho’. He probably likes to occupy all available spaces. I wonder what drugs he has ben taking.

  139. Anand says:

    The Osho ashram was and now the Osho resort is a ‘kindergarten’ a pre-school. There you learn to do your first steps in a more meditaive so called ‘spirtual’ world.
    At a certain point you leave that ‘school’ and you re-renter the so called ‘real world’. And you can apply if you wish what you have learned on your further path in life.

    No need to hang around the kindergarten, 25 years later,
    you would look funny. No need to complain about the new administration (SP), since you liked the one better, when you were there. The times’ they are a’changing..and they always will.

    I is nice to have a visit once in a while, but meanwhile we all have grown up (supposedly) and live and teach what we have learned in our years at 17 Koregaon Park.

  140. Satya Deva says:

    A mega-rich man’s son is the swami rajneesh, must have grown up with an inbred sense of entitlement to both wealth and, er, power…

    A decent actor too, he has the early ‘Bhagwan’ off to a ‘t’…

    Can’t stand his voice though, personally, nor his laugh. In fact, I find his entire act thoroughly ‘creepy’.

  141. shantam prem says:

    Call it awareness, call it wisdom, call it what so ever, it is a matter of fact that anyone who entered 17,Koregaon Park, Pune has gone home richer, finer and refined.

    There is no clinical trails but i feel like challanging that no where else, in a certain time frame one gets so much nourishment as in the Oshofield.

    Once people are out after filling their pot, there are two ways…
    One is like -close the school, because i have passed the exams, second is-
    let me give some humble present to my school as a sign of thankfulness, a token of love, regard, gratitude, so that the classes passing after me have better facilites and higher challanges.

    This is up to everyone to decide.

    (Tere bina Jindgi se koi shikva to nahi
    Shikva Nahi..
    Tere bina jindgi bhi lekin..
    Jindgi bhi nahi)


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  142. Satya Deva says:

    Seems like a lot of sense to me there, Anand.

  143. shantam prem says:

    Take care friends, by talking too much about Rajneesh, you will start dreaming about him.

    Like it or not, He has all the right to expand his base.

    He is not my need but i feel happy to see him kicking around, his presence mokes every one in the business of no business.

    What nerves me personally is when some collage graduate thinks himself as D.Lit
    rajneesh is one of them but still better when high school passed call themselves d.Lit.

    This is the life of our time. Every tailor calls himself fashion Designer.

  144. Forest Gump says:

    Lokesh, Your statement “I notice that Gump is a big fan of yours. How embarassing. Ha ha, Shantam. The joke is on you, baba.”

    It reminds me of Ernie who’s thick & ugly Aunt Jemima would say

    How embarrassing, Ernie!! Now you have started going to the nude clubs, have you looked at me, I might be fat and ugly, but I know the tricks!!!

    Another day, Ernie is sitting in the back of his first grade class, a can of beer in one hand and a cigarette in the other. The teacher says, “Okay class, today we are going to play a game. I am going to say a few words about something and you try to tell me what I am thinking about, okay? Here we go: The first thing is a fruit; it is round and it is red.”

    Little Billy raises his hand and the teacher calls on him; little Billy stands up and says, “An apple.” The teacher says, “No, it is a tomato, but I am glad to see you are thinking. Now the next one is yellow and it is a fruit.”

    Bobby raises his hand, and after the teacher calls on him, he stands and says, “It is a grapefruit.” The teacher says, “No, it is a lemon; but I am glad to see you are thinking. Okay, the next question is round and it is a green vegetable.”

    Little Mary stands up and says, “It is a lettuce.” “No,” says the teacher, “It is a pea. But I am glad to see you are thinking.” then she says, “Okay, that’s enough for today.” Just then, Ernie raises his hand and says, “Hey teach, mind if I ask you one?” “No,” she replies, “go right ahead.”

    “Okay,” says Ernie, “I got something in my pocket. It is long, and it is hard, and it has got a pink tip.” “Ernie,” shouts the teacher, “that is disgusting.” “It is a pencil,” says Ernie, “but I am glad to see that you are thinking.”

    Lokesh, I see that you have also found a disciple “SD”, congratulations , there is always one…

  145. Forest Gump says:

    Here are my two cents on your question:

    When you CONNNECT with a master like Osho, the ego & conditioning slowly melts by itself. You just have to put your effort to make your bond stronger and stronger with the master.

    For that, meditate and dance in gratitude, all the ugliness and chattering of mind will be washed away and you will be introduced to utter silence, where nothing exists, no conditioning and no ego, pure silence.

    Others will be pretending to drop the conditioning and ego, knowing nothing of silence….

  146. Forest Gump says:

    Forest Gump // Aug 2, 2010 at 3:49 pm is addressed to Anurag.

  147. Forest Gump says:

    “Osho´s vision was misused by the people who were unable to distinguish between freedom and licentiousness.”

    Shantam, this is so right…

  148. Satya Deva says:

    Unfortunately, certain ‘zealots’ conveniently (and very understandably) overlook this statement of Osho:

    Something like:
    ‘The doors to the Temple are wide open. Know well they will not be wide open for ever. Do not delay, now is the time, not after the gates are closed.’

    Hard to accept, I realise, but what do you think he was referring to – 100 years hence? 50 years? 25 years?

    Or simply, after he has departed here?

    Whatever happens or doesn’t happen in 17, Koregaon Park, it will simply never be how it was, it might degenerate into some ‘pseudo-spiritual’ holiday camp (maybe it’s that right now?!) or, if the likes of SP have their way, marriage bureau!

  149. Satya Deva says:

    Whatever, may the Good Lord save and protect us from the likes of the truly appalling Far-East Chump!

  150. Satya Deva says:

    Forrest Gump:
    When you CONNNECT with a master like Osho, the ego & conditioning slowly melts by itself. You just have to put your effort to make your bond stronger and stronger with the master.

    SD:
    And you’d better be pretty damn careful, FG, that it’s simply not just your imagination fooling you…

  151. Forest Gump says:

    SD,

    Ha, Ha ..

    So I reminded you of “Good Lord”. Are you looking for a savior? I have heard, Jesus is still around in many Churches.

    Just go to the confession box and accept all your sins about going to “Osho” once. They will forgive you and accept you back.

    But Lokesh is going to miss you.

  152. Forest Gump says:

    SD says “And you’d better be pretty damn careful, FG, that it’s simply not just your imagination fooling you…”

    SD, I care about me or not, one thing is certain from your statement that “you care about me”. SD, I love you too …ha ha…

  153. Forest Gump says:

    Buddhas and Masters have given utmost importance to Buddhafields for the seekers to grow beyond deathlessness. So Ashram and such places are important.

    Would you rather die in a dirty basement in misery & then carried out to be buried by long faces? OR live meditatively among thousands of Buddhas and die peacefully in Budhhas dancing around you.

    Choice is always personal, but collective have to be made if it is important. So I agree with Shantam.

  154. Lokesh says:

    We must be grateful to Forest Gump for providing us with a first rate example of what happens to a man who believes he is connected to a spiritual master who has left the building.
    Take this latest offering for example: For that, meditate and dance in gratitude, all the ugliness and chattering of mind will be washed away and you will be introduced to utter silence, where nothing exists, no conditioning and no ego, pure silence.
    This man obviously believes this is happening to him to the extent that he is giving advice to others. The thing is, when you examine his words with only a little insight you find a smug chump who is completely identified with his ego and it is not even a very well developed one and therefore a long way from dropping. So thanks for that FG.

    One thing I appreciated about Poonjaji was that he had no desire to build up an organization around him and if you study what has happened since Osho left you can easily understand why. Poonjaji did not encourage people to hang around him and if I understood correctly what he had to impart could be got in a few days. I found that man to be a truly liberating force. He helped liberate me from the need of the external master. What a relief. When I see others seeking fulfilment through this guru or that teacher I see where I once was. If a teacher does not tell you that the real teacher is resides within you then that teacher is a fraud.

  155. Forest Gump says:

    Lokesh,

    I never claimed that I am free of egos, the glimpses of ego- less- ness appears and disappears at its own accord. I am not on any spiritual agenda. I know, I find peace in my master’s blessings, that’s all I care.

    But finally, I am glad to know that you have some gratitude, if not towards Osho at least towards Punja Ji, who told you to examine yourself to find the master within. Or May be, he was picky about his disciples to avoid the traffic of douchebags who have no potential whatsoever. I have not studied him.

    By the way, did he also teach you to do close examine of others, their statements and their egos? OR maybe it’s your own trap you might have been overlooking?

  156. Forest Gump says:

    COME, COME, YET AGAIN COME!

    Govind, if you want to be a sannyasin, you are welcome. Everybody is welcome, without any conditions. You do not have to fulfill any requirements. Just the longing to be in deep contact with me is enough, more than enough. Just the desire to be close to me, to be intimate with me is enough. That’s what sannyas is all about. -OSHO-

  157. Forest Gump says:

    Osho
    Come, Come, Yet again Come

    And remember, only a person who has respect for himself can respect others,

    because life is the same.

    If you are too hard upon yourself you will be more hard on others, obviously. You will magnify their sins; you have to, just to give yourself consolation that you are not the only sinner, there are greater sinners than you.

    That will be your only consolation in life: that you need not worry, you are just a small sinner, there are great sinners.
    That’s why people go on creating rumours about everybody else.

    And people believe rumours very easily. If somebody says something ugly, derogatory about a person, you immediately believe it.

    But if somebody praises him, you don’t believe it, you ask for proofs. You never ask for proofs about derogatory remarks and rumours. You are very willing to believe them for the simple reason that you WANT to believe that “everybody is far worse than I am.”

    That’s the only way to feel good, a little bit good, about yourself.

    Osho
    Come, Come, Yet again Come

  158. Forest Gump says:

    Once you fall in love with a Master, remain. I am not saying that even when you are disillusioned remain with him. When you are disillusioned, he is no more your Master. Then there is no point in remaining with him. Then seek another.

    But never be with two Masters in your mind simultaneously. Be decisive about it — because this decision is no ordinary decision, it is very momentous. It will decide your whole being: its quality, its future.

    OSHO

  159. Forest Gump says:

    Little Ernie to his Mom,

    Mom!! I am potty trained now, Do you think, I am liberated now.

    Yes, You are liberated!!! Aren’t you!! Aahh..baby is liberated now, James!!! Did you hear from Ernie?, He said he is liberated, I am so proud of him…Lets invite some friends to brag about that our son is liberated now. Don’t forget to buy the trophy for him.

  160. Satya Deva says:

    Forest Gump

    SD says “And you’d better be pretty damn careful, FG, that it’s simply not just your imagination fooling you…”

    SD, I care about me or not, one thing is certain from your statement that “you care about me”. SD, I love you too …ha ha…

    SD:
    Congratulations on bringing the word ‘love’ into further disrepute, Mr Chump.

  161. Satya Deva says:

    Forrest Gump:
    I know, I find peace in my master’s blessings, that’s all I care.

    SD:
    So, you imagine he’s “blessing” you, eh, Gump?

    How convenient….

  162. Satya Deva says:

    Forest Gump:

    Buddhas and Masters have given utmost importance to Buddhafields for the seekers to grow beyond deathlessness. So Ashram and such places are important.

    Would you rather die in a dirty basement in misery & then carried out to be buried by long faces? OR live meditatively among thousands of Buddhas and die peacefully in Budhhas dancing around you.

    SD:
    You’ve chosen two exaggerated extremes there, Gump, which both singly and together serve to undermine your case.

    Why should you imagine we might die in such circumstances and “in misery”?
    And frankly, this picture of “thousands of Buddhas” living meditatively and dancing at your death is simply idealised tosh, is it not?!

    But what else to expect from one as evidently immature as yourself?

    I strongly suggest you desist from these lengthy quotes from others, btw, it merely emphasises your own relative inner poverty, rather than the effect you’d clearly prefer to make.

    And as for the importance of ashrams etc., well, at a certain stage, yes, as pointed out well today by Anand.

    But as a place to live one’s entire life? If that’s what you’re dreaming of, FG, then you’re caught up in some escapist illusion (and delusion), further evidence of an inexperienced, immature mind.

    The test is ultimately in ‘the world’ (call it ‘the monastery of the world”!), where any so-called ‘realisations’ will be put under severe and authentic scrutiny – self-scrutiny), not in some ultimately ‘cosy’ ashram, among fellow-devotees.

    But hopefully, you’ll live and learn, and drop this nonsense before it ‘drops’ you….

  163. Forest Gump says:

    ?

  164. Forest Gump says:

    Lokesh,

    I read about Punja Ji online.

    It doesn’t really resonates with what you project of yourself in this blogs, but it was really nice to see man’s insights.

    Here is his story of finding his Guru “Ramana Maharishi”, Actually Master came in his astral body looking for disciple “Punja Ji”.

    http://www.satsangbhavan.net/main.htm

    From the story: Here I share, a few dialogs between Master “Ramana Maharishi”, and Disciple “Punja Ji”.
    “I asked Maharishi about my situation, that India was going to be partitioned and my family was in Pakistan. Maharishi asked me, “Why don’t you go?” And I said, “It was a dream. It was a dream; I had a wife, I had children and I had parents, I have relations. It was a dream. My dream is over now.” “Oh, very good if your dream is over. A dream is a dream, so why are you are afraid of a dream? If you know it is a dream go and see the dream then.”

    I saw he was winning a point and I wouldn’t allow it. So I said, “No. Now I am physically attached to you, I have physical attachment. I cannot leave you. I want to stay with you. I’ll let anything happen, whatever it is. I can’t save anybody.”

    Then he looked at me and said, “I am with you wherever you are.” These are the words in my mind. They helped me even when I left. There was no trouble for any of my family. I brought back them back to Lucknow in August of ‘47. There was no trouble. There was trouble all around but it was very safe for us. The guru, the master helps everywhere. “

    From Punja Ji’s website:

    http://www.satsangbhavan.net/papajis_house.htm

    Papaji’s bedroom is still maintained in the same way. The bedroom was his resting place and also served as a small satsang room where people shared their problems with him. Many still come to meditate and sit in this room and experience his presence and peace.

    Puja and bhajans are sung to commemorate special days like Guru Purnima (July), Mahanirvana Day (September 6) and his birthday (October 13).

  165. Forest Gump says:

    Lokesh,

    I read about Punja Ji online.

    It doesn’t really resonates with what you project of yourself in this blogs, but it was really nice to see man’s insights.

    Here is his story of finding his Guru “Ramana Maharishi”, Actually Master came in his astral body looking for disciple “Punja Ji”.

    http://www.satsangbhavan.net/main.htm

  166. Forest Gump says:

    From the story: Here I share, a few dialogs between Master “Ramana Maharishi”, and Disciple “Punja Ji”.
    “I asked Maharishi about my situation, that India was going to be partitioned and my family was in Pakistan. Maharishi asked me, “Why don’t you go?” And I said, “It was a dream. It was a dream; I had a wife, I had children and I had parents, I have relations. It was a dream. My dream is over now.” “Oh, very good if your dream is over. A dream is a dream, so why are you are afraid of a dream? If you know it is a dream go and see the dream then.”

    I saw he was winning a point and I wouldn’t allow it. So I said, “No. Now I am physically attached to you, I have physical attachment. I cannot leave you. I want to stay with you. I’ll let anything happen, whatever it is. I can’t save anybody.”

    Then he looked at me and said, “I am with you wherever you are.” These are the words in my mind. They helped me even when I left. There was no trouble for any of my family. I brought back them back to Lucknow in August of ‘47. There was no trouble. There was trouble all around but it was very safe for us. The guru, the master helps everywhere. “

  167. Forest Gump says:

    From Punja Ji’s website:

    http://www.satsangbhavan.net/papajis_house.htm

    Papaji’s bedroom is still maintained in the same way. The bedroom was his resting place and also served as a small satsang room where people shared their problems with him. Many still come to meditate and sit in this room and experience his presence and peace.

    Puja and bhajans are sung to commemorate special days like Guru Purnima (July), Mahanirvana Day (September 6) and his birthday (October 13).

  168. shantam prem says:

    Poona ji did not like organisations, so far so good.
    If someone wants to marry a woman who does not shave her legs, armpits and Bikini area, Tip Top
    why to make fuss.

    There are many souls in India, who buy there groccery from the corner shop, they will never enter in the super stores, it is all fine, but the problem comes when they protest at the openings of the super store.

    Just the other day saw the web site of Poonaji. His place looks like a three days old Tomato soup, not rotten but almost deserted.

  169. Satya Deva says:

    Forest Gump

    ?

    SD:
    Genuinely puzzled, FG?…

    Or, struck by a sudden, blinding revelation of the truth of my words?!…

    Or, are you simply being a disingenuous not-so-clever-dick?

    On all previous evidence, my money would be on the last option….

  170. Forest Gump says:

    SD: Illusion and delusion!!!illusion and delusion!!! Illusion and delusion!!i

    Do you have anything else to say? One thing is sure, If keep on repeating this mantra, would definitely create enough hypnosis around you that you will end up in some mad house.

    Shantam pointed once about your caliber,he is so right. You are such a sucker; I am going to ignore you, at least for a while.

  171. Forest Gump says:

    SD aka Stupid Devil:

    I was having some technical trouble posting my comments, so I tried with “?” .

    But I will take the money, on whatever stupid option.

  172. shantam prem says:

    I think we all have heard, Osho´s classification of the people around the Masters.
    Curious mongers, Students, Disciples and Devotees.

    Every body has his own budget and own style.

    Thotha Channa, Baaje Ghana.
    Chic pea with a whole makes his own kind of music…

  173. shantam prem says:

    Gumpy, SD will not end up in any bad situation.
    it is guranteed.
    He has the swiming wings on both his arms. Not the dead wings but as solid as any south Indian Devi can be.
    These swiming wings are not purchased by giving up a part of ego identity. They are on hire purchase basis.
    The articulate disciples live in this way.
    This is the trend.

  174. Forest Gump says:

    Thotha Channa, Baaje Ghana.

    Ha Ha

    You wouldn’t believe, this was exactly the quote buzzing in my mind, when I was writing my comments to Lokesh and SD.

  175. shantam prem says:

    Gumpy, You have told a nice story about Ramana maharishi and the Papa ji of the Christian orphans and harem keeper of Osho´s widows.
    If the story is true, i will say Ramana Maharishi was a third rate red cross bus driver, saved the family of one man while unofficially 3 million familes lost their loved ones in one of the biggest Masacare of modren history.
    Does this also means other people did not have the blessings of some special people around them.

  176. Forest Gump says:

    The whole story can be found here:

    http://www.satsangbhavan.net/main.htm

  177. Forest Gump says:

    Shantam,

    You have to click on the right hand side topics “My Meeting with Ramana”

  178. shantam prem says:

    while on the way to a Catholic church for my daily routine, i thought these sannyasins coming from Christian background must have got their soul broken by the priests of One God, One child, One book religion, there cannot be any other reason for such paranoia that they impose all their negative experiences over the dead Osho, so much so that they have created a wall between Their Osho and His enviornment.
    And i wish to tell them your Osho is not that great as far as following is concerned. For example Brahma kumari´s have a thousand times bigger base in India or in the west and i don´t think any of the western Brahma Kumar or kumari ever think that Baba´s photo will ever become religion. Never ever they will use any disrespectful words for the Baba, and the way they visit Mount Abu, their Poona Ashram !!
    As far as purity of thought and feelings is concerned, these people live far superior life, as far as daily medittaion is concerned, it is much solid and profound…yet none of them will go boasting about the Silence as a daily wage worker of satsang scene.

    Adjal gagri Chalkat Jaaye…. Bhari Gagariya Chupi Jayeee..
    While walking. half fulll pot goes on sprinkling water while the full one moves silently.

  179. shantam prem says:

    Gump or Lokesh, please forgive me, share the interesting stuff from Poona Ji here.
    I will prefer to spend my time on “kindgirls”, the site for the eye sight.

    PS…As a middle class Indian, i will touch the feet of Shri Punja Ji, if i ever meet him in the train bus or plane.

    The puns are reserved for those clever people, who have the distinguish of having as many masters as fingers on both hands.

    Rich people can afford many cars, must be giving a soothing feeling to talk about their Toyota or Skoda.
    So what for are the Sadgurus from India, drivers for their fancy egos?

  180. Satya Deva says:

    Forest Gump August 2, at 9.29pm

    SD: Illusion and delusion!!!illusion and delusion!!! Illusion and delusion!!i

    FG:
    Do you have anything else to say? One thing is sure, If keep on repeating this mantra, would definitely create enough hypnosis around you that you will end up in some mad house.

    SD:
    Plenty more in my post of 9.02pm, that I presume you’re incapable of dealing with, FG, as you make zero attempt to do so.
    All you can offer is impotent insult., as above and below…

    FG:
    Shantam pointed once about your caliber,he is so right. You are such a sucker; I am going to ignore you, at least for a while.

    Forest Gump Aug 2, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    SD aka Stupid Devil:

    SD:
    So you managed to hold out for just 4 minutes, then, FG? Congratulations, you’re clearly a man of iron resolution.

    FG:
    I was having some technical trouble posting my comments, so I tried with “?” .

    But I will take the money, on whatever stupid option.

    SD:
    Of course you will, FG, of course you will!

    Anything to avoid the issue, eh?

  181. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam Prem:
    As a middle class Indian, i will touch the feet of Shri Punja Ji, if i ever meet him in the train bus or plane.

    SD:
    You might well have a bit of a long wait with that one, Sp, the man passed away some years ago….

  182. Forest Gump says:

    Yeah…Avoid the Issue at 9:02?…Ha Ha…I am having fun…There is no issue here. I choose not to waste my time to offer you occupational therapy. I will contribute whatever…you do whatever you like..I don’t see any issues other than some corrupted jacks looking for some free wanking of mind.

  183. Satya Deva says:

    So, why bother even coming here, you silly little chumpkin?!

    No use you claiming you’re somehow ‘above it all’, it’s clear you are unable to respond adequately.

    Hence you resort to borrowing others’ statements, others’ jokes.

    Which is ok, to a small degree – but the extent you deny you’re ‘bothered’ and then borrow others’ words at considerable length is very revealing, I’m afraid.

  184. Satya Deva says:

    Still no real reply to the question I put (below) this afternoon…

    So, what do you Anti–Poona-Ashram-Management Party people really think about this statement of Osho?

    Would you say the doors are still open?
    Closing a bit, but still quite open?
    Pretty damn near being closed? Or…
    Shut for ever?

    And anyway, what did he actually mean, would you say, by these words?

    (Btw, please do not use this issue as an excuse for further repetitive diatribes against Amrito & Co. Let’s keep to the point here, please).

    Satya Deva Aug 2, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Unfortunately, certain ‘zealots’ conveniently (and very understandably) overlook this statement of Osho:

    Something like:
    ‘The doors to the Temple are wide open. Know well they will not be wide open for ever. Do not delay, now is the time, not after the gates are closed.’

    Hard to accept, I realise, but what do you think he was referring to – 100 years hence? 50 years? 25 years?

    Or simply, after he has departed here?

  185. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam Prem:
    The articulate disciples live in this way.

    SD:
    Point of info, SP:

    I’m not a “disciple” of anyone.

  186. shantam prem says:

    Let this be your only touchstone-whatsoever makes you happy is bound to be true. Anand-bliss–is the only criterion of truth. OSHO

  187. Chinmaya says:

    Oh dear Shantam,

    To be in Bliss is not easy task……
    Osho said, because He was in bliss.

  188. prem bubbie says:

    How is rajneesh paying you guys-anurag, dump rump gump, Meera, though a woman, acts likes a man, talks like a man…. I mean he’s got cash, needs spokesmen , stupid ones at that… Anurag, you said you bought a house in Goa, near the camp. Who paid for it? You? Rajneesh? Did he “loan” you money to buy it? How much money did it take to sell yourselves? Were you cheap and not easy? or Easy and Cheap or Easy and not cheap? I think you’ll say anything for cash. I think this yokel, rajneesh will do anything and buy anybody for attention and support….. What a shyster.

  189. Lokesh says:

    I will be known through my sannyasins – Osho

    An ex-sannyasin, Michael Lyons, also known as Mohan Singh, has recently been sentenced to ten years’ imprisonment for rape and sexual assault by a London court.

  190. garimo says:

    >>I think we all have heard, Osho´s classification of the people around the Masters.
    >>Curious mongers, Students, Disciples and Devotees.

    I’ve never heard the term “Curious mongers”… seems so dismissive for someone with the potential of growing into a student, disciple or even a devotee.

  191. shantam prem says:

    Garimo, perheaps you have not heard Hindi discourses of Osho. Diamond mines in Poor Africa kinds of discourses are they.

    For curious mongers, His sentences expanded into paragraphs are something like, ” Kuch log sadguruon ke paas..yu hi KOTHULVASH chalte aate hain, Doosoron ki Dekha dekhi. Jaise shehar main koi Mela laga ho..aur log jur jaiye..

    Few people simply come to true Masters just because of CURIOSITY, by seeing others going.
    As if some FAIR comes in the city and people gather.”

    Even for such people… Osho left the space.
    His generosity of the heart is remarkable.

  192. shantam prem says:

    Lokesh // Aug 3, 2010 at 7:25 am
    I will be known through my sannyasins – Osho

    Lokesh… This asshole was discussed in the previous thread. ANd to bring Him again with Osho´s signature quotation from this site-
    My first impression is-

    Burau Sathiya Gaya hain.. Kuch yaad nahi rehta..
    Be wajyah..Gaand main ungli dene ki adat ho gayi hain.

    “Oldy has gone sixty-ised. cannot remember much.
    without reason, will go on digging finger in the ass”

    In the social fabric this is the sentence for Patriarch, used quite often by irritated daughter in laws and grand children

  193. shantam prem says:

    “If parents really love children they will help them to be courageous — even courageous against themselves. They will help them to be courageous against teachers, against society, against anybody who is going to destroy their individuality”.-OSho

    Satya deva This is for you. May be you can refer some Mr. Tolle or Mr. Long, who has spoken like Osho, who has ignitiated a fire in human heart.

    There is nothing personal against Amrito. He is not enemy..not even point zero percent, but too much a courtian; aking and queen´s front man, such people by thier whimsical dictates simply insult the human intelligence.
    And as the history of human civilisation has shown till now, such gentelmen sooner or later are put back into their deserving position and that is, show windows of the stores.

    PS- And i can bet with my open and close eyes.. Dr. Amrito with His strict interpttaion of Osho Is more sincere, ethical, moral, honest and humble than Mr. Rajneesh kind of. (Rajneesh i am using as generic form. There are more than half dozen chimps around).

    Still… Rajneesh has his own role to play.
    MAy God bless..every body who is on the path, without even knowing that there is some path.

  194. Alok john says:

    Lokesh wrote
    “I will be known through my sannyasins – Osho

    An ex-sannyasin, Michael Lyons, also known as Mohan Singh, has recently been sentenced to ten years’ imprisonment for rape and sexual assault by a London court.”

    Yes, but he is the only one I have ever heard of being convicted of a sexual offence out of at least hundreds of thousands of sannyasins.

  195. shantam prem says:

    A Single Moment

    “A single moment is enough! It is not a question of being with a master for a long time; time does not enter into it. It is not a question of quantity, of how long you have lived with the master. The question is how deep you have loved the master, not how long you lived with the master — how intensely, passionately you have become involved with the master…not the length of time, but the depth of your feeling. Then a single moment of awareness, of heart wakefulness, a single moment of silence…and the transmission, the transmission beyond all scriptures.”
    Osho

    Courtesy-mysamasati.com

  196. shantam prem says:

    For the readers and the writers at Sannyasnnews.

    “Writing “enables the process of self-discovery”—
    new owner of Newsweek.

    Pour your heart out. May be it enables the change into the recent loss making venutre started by none other than OSHO.

    Osho did not established educational shops churning out MBA´s, Doctors or Engineers( Dream jobs for Indian and Chineese), Neither he ventured into health tourism( Brings plane full of Pounds through knee and hip replacement surgery), To open orphangaes and motivate his followers in the west to adopt a child would have given him national awards and postive recognition the way Sri Ravi Shankar craves for.

    His kind of Ashram; few cynicals, married with Hindu belief system call it international marriage Büro, where different ways of life, philosphies and thoughts merge into a tapestry of Life, need a new lease of life.

    Please, Bring Osho and His ashram back into your daily discussion, talk about Him, sing the songs and if possible let the present management know through your e mails… to look out form their blue glassed offices; Osho like a sun needs to be uncurtained.

  197. Lokesh says:

    Shatam Prem, as usual you are tripping over your feet to do more blah blah-
    Quote: Lokesh… This asshole was discussed in the previous thread. ANd to bring Him again with Osho´s signature quotation from this site-

    You have your wires crossed, it is not a previous thread but this one and I copied and pasted that because I felt the discussion was too dispersed and turning into the usual mud-slinging match.
    You say your first impression is, Quote, “Oldy has gone sixty-ised. cannot remember much.
    without reason, will go on digging finger in the ass”
    Sounds like a good reflection of yourself, pal, now run along to the toilet and listen to your favorite sound….you guessed it…the sound of one hand wanking.

  198. Forest Gump says:

    You guys are so funny…I can’t express enough of my gratitude to you guys to give me belly laughter when I read some of beloved posts.
    No wonder, Osho said, wherever my Sannyasins meet, my presence will be felt. I see this happening virtually.

  199. Forest Gump says:

    There is a faction called “PAGAL PANTH”. There no organization around it, they have no particular master, because everyone feel that he is the master and liberated. They are very happy people in general and truly liberated.

    If you want to know more about it, Shantam can shed some light.

  200. Satya Deva says:

    I see still zero response from the Anti-Management Party to my request for thoughts on what Osho meant in his “The gates are wide open (but not for long)” statement…

    What’s the problem, guys?

    Here’s another one for you to reflect upon, said on his death-bed, we hear:

    “Forgive me and Forget me” .

    Anyone interested in this one?

  201. Lokesh says:

    At a loose end on a quiet evening on Ibiza so I will give a try at answering your question Satya Deva, although I only have what is written at 5:51 to go on.
    While in close proximity to Osho I always had the feeling that he was attached to the body by the finest of gosammer threads, although I also know that he was a very physical guy in his youth. I’ve always contended that Osho’s interest in flash cars was just one of his ways of keeping interested in the world. Anyway, taking in to account his tenous hold on life I believe Osho knew that he would not be living to a ripe old age. He was fond of using the word ‘gate’ in his metaphors, hence we have the gateless gate and the ‘I am the gate’ book title.
    Taking these facts into account I would guess that for him to say,“The gates are wide open (but not for long)” meant that he would not be around in the body for long so therefore make the best of it while I am here. I’m quite sure that is what he would have meant. But of course I could be wrong because I don’t know the context of the sentence. Anyway, as far as I am concerned, it is not very important.

  202. shantam prem says:

    Satya Deva
    Here’s another one for you to reflect upon, said on his death-bed, we hear:

    “Forgive me and Forget me” .

    Was Meera from Germany, i mean your “Mother” was near Osho´s death bed to spread such kind of rumours during her visits in London.

    The people who live and die in a Shanty have the biggest Satori; when the high rise in the neighbour burns due to electrical wiring.

  203. shantam prem says:

    Same time Lokesh and shantam on the computer.

    Thanks heavens… with your above comment Lokesh… i am in total harmony.
    And if by chance, i vist you in Ibiza, remember the above harmony otherwise you can drown me in the sea out of the accumulated resentment.
    I cannot swim, cannot drive and if i read your comment cannot FxxK, simply wanking…
    For the last, please find a tutor for me, i like to teach only to the teachers.

  204. shantam prem says:

    If someone shows a bit of opennes…the spontaneous gold nugget from Osho posted above- // Aug 3, 2010 at 1:55 pm
    has the right answer for SD´s query.

  205. Alok john says:

    SD, he also said things like, “Someone may be here with me in Pune and distant from me; and some one else may be in Europe and close to me.”

    Also things like “People who love me will be able to consult me when I am no longer in the body.”

  206. Lokesh says:

    Yeah, Osho said a lot of things. What about his ‘prophrt of doom’ phase, when he made all those predictions about Aids etc. What a laugh. It went from the most promiscous society in the world to the most ridiculous in a matter of days, with rules like no kissing and always wear rubber gloves while making love. Have they wiped all that bullshit off the akashik records or do people still get to hear about it? If I remember right Osho spoke about Mount Fuji blowing up and California falling into the sea. There were rumours that he said all that nonsense after being advised to by a public relations expert in an attempt to fill the sannyasin ranks with fresh blood.
    So, taking that into account I would not take anything the old man said too seriously. I actually met Osho twice when he was out of the body. I felt that it was accidental at the time. It was during his astral travel period when he had to eat loads of chappaties when he returned from sojurns in the phantom skies. Just the thought of that crazy guy makes me smile. I think Osho was a cosmic joker at heart. He so very much loved to make people laugh. As for consulting him while he is no longer in the body. I find that to be ridiculously funny. Consult me when I am no longer in the body……brilliant!

  207. shantam prem says:

    Story about “Forgive me and Forget me”-

    I think it is one of the pharase, everybody uses once in while in their life though not as often as, ” At the end of the day…
    Has someone ever heard in any of the discourses by Osho saying, ” Forgive me and forget me.”

    The virus to use any sentence of Osho without any proper context must be tammed from the onset; it will not confuse the others but the person himself.

    I have not heard also Osho uttering this sentence in his discourses but have read this in the news magazine article in November-December 1985.
    Whether it as Delhi or Manali, Osho was speaking with the press, giving interviews.
    In one of the interviews, at the end question, ” How you would like to be remebered by the people?”

    Osho gives this one liner in his usual way, the way He ends many of the discourses by smilingly saying,
    ” Enough for Today. or Aaj Itna Hi.


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  208. Anand says:

    As much as I like your style of writing Lokesh, you seem to have a bitter attitude about Osho in your writings.
    What you write really sounds like from an ex-sannyasins,
    but you spend daily time on sannyas news.

    This is ok and maybe has to do with some experiences you had during those years.
    As far as I remember you were not part of the close insider circle in Pune 1, so it is not that you were in any sense close to Osho during those years. More part of the hippy fringe scene.

    Then you got initiated by Punjaji. So in my opinion you are some half baked sannyasin with a great spiritual intellectual mind, but you lost this connection to Osho.
    And from your point of view what I write is all non sense,
    but I know how my close sannyasi friends talk about Osho. Osho is at the center in their heart, there is no division between me and Osho, it is one, no separation.

    I looked at your photo on facebook ‘Luke Mitchell’ and that smile you had in your eyes in the 70ties I do not see it there.

    Again, this is all fine for me, but I feel like you move around here on these pages as some kind of hybrid sannyasin, pretending to be….

    And of course that is ok too. But other people have different kind of relationships to Osho and as much as
    Shantam’s lengthly talks are overly colored with his Indian background he seems to be more clear and honest in his relationship to Osho.

  209. Forest Gump says:

    Thanks, Anand,

    And these kinds of people are more dangerous than poor Bubbie and SD. At least they don’t have the skills to misguide the new readers.

    When someone writes from the skills not from heart, may leave the impression, but for what good?

    To make the spiritual journey, “A Contest”, that who is ahead and who is lagging behind? You see, he tries to justify that those divers, bungee jumpers are far ahead in spirituality than Osho Sannyasins.

    Lokesh,

    What about porn-stars who are skilled to hold their sperms, where do they stand in this race?

    The point is, there is no difference between you and many “Wanna be Gurus” around.

    Bullhe shah, A Sufi mystic says

    Jad vasal vasal Banai-ega
    Tan “GUNGE KA GUR” Khai-ega

    Enjoyment caused by the communion cannot be expressed. ( Gunge ka Gur ).

    Anyways, I wouldn’t expect you to digest this kind of poetry.

    It used to be said in Punjabi during the British ruling:

    “Gore di “Buddhi” Te Gori di “Phuddhi” nu Thanda nahi keeta ja sakda”.

    I wouldn’t care to translate it, it’s for those who understand the language. Apologies to the rest.

    The gist is, at this age, you wouldn’t even change,
    and I guess, Just hang around, and have fun.

    COME, YET AGAIN, COME, COME

  210. Chinmaya says:

    Gump

    You have written above DIL SE.
    Maza aya

  211. Chinmaya says:

    A non-sense fellow understands at the non-sense level to the discourses of a Master whereas the Master is at Bliss level and speaks at the level of a hollow-bamboo with no ego and His every word is without any non-sense. Since a non-sense fellow is living at the frog in the well level and understand within his limited knowledge in the name of Sanskriti/ Sanskar/culture/religion/sayings of un-educated mother and father, so, he cannot understand as to what Master is saying and will go on talking irrelevant.
    Shantam said correct that a Graduate or Matriculate Passed students thinks many times that he is at the level of D.Litt. so is the situation in the society. They knoweth not what they are saying and are ready to pass the remarks against Osho. They are ready to accept the illogical stories of historical Bhagwansas lollipops.

  212. Chinmaya says:

    Bhagwans as lollipops.

  213. Chinmaya says:

    Shantam dear,

    Later, Osho started saying……..OK Manisha
    and Manisha used to reply………Yes Bhagwan

  214. shantam prem says:

    Sometime it makes me wonder how the billion and billions of Jesus followers all around these centuries could go on digging the nourishment from the short history of Jesus life and times with His 12 followers and using the essence in the changing times.

    One aspect of this i want to relate, because without Bubbie, Satya Deva and Lokes..kind of sannyasins, Sannyas will be a very dry affair or as juicy as the artificially flavoured suger drinks advertised all around by “Enterpreneours”.

    And i want to stress that Lokesh and SD are paying back their love for Osho in their own hybrid form, (Anand´s creation is this term hybrid sannyasins), as experimenting with different thoughts and forms is also the way.

    OSho has given the softest corner of His heart to Buddha. MAyn times one wonders whether Osho was a Buddhist monk for lives and lives.

    Buddh ka Marg Buddhi ka Marg hain. Wahan Buddhun ki kagah nahi. Buddhi Seeri hain…Bodh antim chor…

    The discourses of Ek Dhamao Sanantano, start with something similar statement.
    People who have adopted Buddha in their daily lingo will be refined even more if they give due attention to the other related words-Buddhu(Foolish, stupid), Buddhi(Intellect, wisdom) and Bodhe(Awareness, realisation).

    Lokesh and co. are expressing Osho through the prism of their western development, the way people like me color it with Indian metaphors.

    And just one step…my western brothers and girlfriends, please learn to accept and recognised others. Deep and condensed forest like Osho becomes very pale when only one kind of plantation takes place.
    When a professional apple grower start implanting the same in Mango groove; he will look like Dr. Amrito.

    Such efforts need to be stoped. Surrunder, understanding as a wholeand assetiveness…. Budhi takes the steps towards Bodhe..

    The sun shines on everyone….Snatam kAur

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    please, watch.

    Osho, like sun shines on everyone. does not make choices.

  215. Lokesh says:

    Well, that certainly got some of you lot going, self righteous devotees to the fore.
    Anand, I’ll start with you. As far as the blog goes you come across as a bit more intelligent than some of your contemporaries but some of your comments are products of a `point of view that is based in ignorance.
    Quote: As far as I remember you were not part of the close insider circle in Pune 1, so it is not that you were in any sense close to Osho during those years.
    The insider circle in Poona One was a sham. I was always in trouble with the people in charge, because I am a rebel. At the time I suffered periodically for my rebelliousness but now in retrospect I know the old man was appreciative of that quality. As the old man once said, the ones who sat closest to him in the morning discourse were the ones most in need of his help. The morning he said that I was sitting where I always sat….right at the back of buddha hall. When Osho did the drive by the Rolls slowed up and the old man gave me a solid gold namaste. I never ever tried to get a front seat after that morning. Your statement is based in the same kind of ignorance that made Teertha believe he would take over the helm when the old man left the building…which of course did not happen.
    I could add to this but instead will tell you how I relate to Osho today.
    For me he was an absolute gem of a man. I loved him like a true friend. Without him I would have never have got to where I am today and I will forever be grateful for those years I spent with him. There was never really a time when I viewed my relationship with Osho as being devotional. It was always one of friendship.
    One fundamental difference I’ve always seen between Indian sannyasins and people like myself is that I had already had many ‘spiritual experiences’ before I met Osho and he acknowledged that the first time we talked. Many Indian sannyasins relate to Osho in the traditional Hindu way, somewhat like children with their omniescient spiritual daddy. Some of you actually say ‘Our’ Osho. I always enjoyed that about the Indians but it was never and will never be my way.
    You imagine me to be bitter. This is far from the truth. It is just that I am coming from a different place in my self that many of you simply don’t understand and it is not my responsibility to try and explain too much about that. The difference between us is simply that I understand very much where you are coming from as opposed to your very limited perspective as to the nature of who I am. No problem there as far as I am concerned.
    You say: So in my opinion you are some half baked sannyasin with a great spiritual intellectual mind, but you lost this connection to Osho.
    Which illustrates perfectly what I have just said.
    I feel no need to try and defend myself in regards your very opinionated judgement, because if I did it would only serve to show that I am on an ego trip, something which I am not. Remember, whenever you feel the need to defend yourself that is a sign that it is your ego at play.
    You say: there is no division between me and Osho, it is one, no separation.
    Well, if you think that state is something to be desired bully for you. It sounds like the words of a Bhakti yogi and that path never attracted me. In my mind such spiritual ideas leave the sadhak childishly dependent, but there you go Anand……different strokes for very different folks. If you are happy and fulfilled with your relationship with Osho, what business is it of mine? I’d watch out with those judgements of yours if I were you. For a start they are not needed and for seconds they simply illustrate your limited perspective. You will only understand others to the depth that you have come to understand yourself.

  216. Lokesh says:

    Forest Gump. I can only guess that you are a young person. I come to this conclussion because your writing displays all the arrogance and misguided self-righteousness that a young person is capable of coming up with. Anand is also self-righteous but manages to hide it quite well because he understands that it ain’t so cool at his age to talk like you.
    You say: And these kinds of people are more dangerous than poor Bubbie and SD. At least they don’t have the skills to misguide the new readers.
    I’m not trying to misguide anyone. But I am dangerous in the sense that what I have to say might plant seeds in your young mind that say, ‘Hey, you think you have it all worked out but you don’t’. You imagine yourself to be so connected to Osho but it will only take a toothache to make you realize how attached you are to your body.
    You say…….The point is, there is no difference between you and many “Wanna be Gurus” around.
    Ah but you are mistaken. I don’t want to be a guru….there is not enough money in it.
    Gump. One thing you might one day come to understand is that it is a big mistake to get hung up on your point of view, especially taking into consideration that yours is a very limited one.
    Bottom line is that your youth earns you the right to be excused for anything you say on this blog.
    As for Chinmaya…well, you better pack sandwiches….you have a very long journey ahead of you….but don’t forget that the destination is of secondary importance…it is the journey that you must enjoy….have a nice trip.

  217. Lokesh says:

    Shantam Prem, you say, One aspect of this i want to relate, because without Bubbie, Satya Deva and Lokes..kind of sannyasins, Sannyas will be a very dry affair.

    Exactly.

    But then you go and mess it up with those dumb metaphors of yours.

    Ha.ha-ha!

  218. shantam prem says:

    Mama Mia.. Mama Mia
    Lokesh Sir,
    I am waiting silently with a hidden grin on my face for a long lecture from head master. (There is reasonably enough money to be a head master)

  219. Chinmaya says:

    HEY MANN MEREIA , CHATRAEI KINE NA PAYA
    Oh my dear friend…..Shantam

    For Silence, Osho has spoken maximum words in the world and you also know the maximum words of Osho, so that some selected people come alongwith Him, wherever from and whatever anybody can pick up and picking the understanding out of His discourses.

    GALIE ASSI CHANGEIA
    ACHARI BUREIA.

    In every story, Osho says, the death is hanging around and we all are standing in a circle and not a queue, and anybody can fall at any time. Before it is too late……..Mitter, west lives on brain level, and they will push your heart to go into the dust of west. Maintain it pure, as pure as you had taken, while leaving your place and Pune. They, they are oily pitcher, no chance of their accumulating the nector in their soul-pitcher.

    AAGE SAMAJH CHALO NAND LALLA
    PACHHEI JO BEETI SO BEETI…..

    Baki tumari Marzee………CHAL PHIR

  220. Chinmaya says:

    Dear Lokesh,

    Thx for your gud wishes to my journey.
    Lot of love to you as well.

  221. Satya Deva says:

    Well said once more, Lokesh.

    Re the responses here to Osho’s “Forgive and Forget Me”, I take it the Anti-Management Party refuses to believe he actually said this while dying?

  222. shantam prem says:

    SD, are you feeling freezing in this whether?
    It is not a question of beleiving or disbeliving.
    It is not even a question of truth or lies.
    Just a question of facts, fictions and blunders.

    I have explained in simple English, the one time when Osho spoke your favouarte sentence, some comment about that,. some other instance, when it was uttered again.
    All Osho talks are freely available to download at Oshoworld, do research, find the sentence or the cousin.

  223. shantam prem says:

    Chinmaya, can you explain what you mean be Oily Pitcher?
    This word is used quite often by you and i cannot find a meaning of this on the net.

  224. shantam prem says:

    ” I take it the Anti-Management Party refuses to believe he actually said this while dying?”

    Few people, how so ever well fed, well read and well paid they may be-Amrito, Blair, Bush type(ABB), they will always refuse to believe, there were no weapons of mass Destruction.
    They wanted to believe something so, they beleived.
    SD wants to believe Osho said on His deathbed, ” Forgive me and forget me.”, so he will continue.
    Such armours are needed for the guily mind.

    Think about a man who told his family members, ” I started hanging with Ms. Juicy only when i read in the news, somewoman called Ms. Nunn had drowned in the sea. I thought it must be my wife.”
    “As a good Irish and queen´s subject, i will never commit adultary. you all know.”
    Don´t you???

  225. prem martyn says:

    lokesh..if God had intended me to make ‘love’ (exaggeration) to women and waste my precious seed inside their charity box ..then …..he would not have invented…..teenagers,..the right hand,snoring and pay per view TV…..

  226. Lokesh says:

    Martyn…what about the rubber gloves? Kinky, baby!

  227. prem martyn says:

    or should i have booked the ‘ inner encounter joy tango love expression silent witness embrace the inner clitoris touch smoochy oochycoochy beyond the bankaccount oooh thats a big one who loves ya baby bumble bee no mind watch this mother fucka dilly dally laugh i nearly cried joy ecstasy hypnohum your way to god jeez i thought i told you i had chlamydia youdidnt ask spiritual training plus gardening insight of joy beyond death in bed Oshotraining Part ONE…

    (currently available anywhere there’s a bunch of gullible twats dressed in white with a bearded photo on the wall saying ‘ Unspoken Credibility available here’ ,and just ask someone dressed in a red or black bedsheet and notice the colgate smile..ding 1)

  228. prem martyn says:

    Rubber gloves??? Only if she she surrenders first to the power of masterful love….or is that the love of the master…. i never get that bit right… but then gaffer tape always does makes them mumble i find….
    and
    lokesh

    may your inner silence always explode in a very big noise resembling an elephant’s orgasm….

    (which will definitely bring tears to her eyes even if she’s not on the right spiritual path….. :) its shock therapy !

  229. Lokesh says:

    Stay cool, Martyn, stay cool.

  230. Lokesh says:

    SP Think about a man who told his family members, ” I started hanging with Ms. Juicy only when i read in the news, somewoman called Ms. Nunn had drowned in the sea. I thought it must be my wife.”

    Come on man, you would need an expert codebreaker to figure this mumbo jumbo out. You are on acid, right?

  231. Satya Deva says:

    So, SP, it is not true then that Osho said that on his deathbed?

    You see, I don’t actually care what he said, but I am interested in what you APMP guys make of it.

    I have read that “forgive and forget me” were almost his dying words.

    But if they weren’t, no problem.

  232. Satya Deva says:

    Btw, APMP stands for ‘Anti Poona Management Party’ (‘Party’ in the political rather than the ‘celebratory’ sense of the word, of course!).

  233. shantam prem says:

    3 Easy Ways to Die :

    Take a Cigar daily – You will die 10 years early.

    Drink Rum daily – You will die 30 years early.

    Love Someone Truly – You will die daily.

    (Not from book ” I teach Death” by Osho)

  234. shantam prem says:

    MAy be we can modify the name a little more, before we go for registraion porcess.
    It can be
    Revive Osho Ashram Party (ROAP)
    Manifesto- Restoration of working constitution of 1990-1999.

  235. Satya Deva says:

    shantam prem:

    Satya Deva
    Here’s another one for you to reflect upon, said on his death-bed, we hear:

    “Forgive me and Forget me” .

    SP:
    Was Meera from Germany, i mean your “Mother” was near Osho´s death bed to spread such kind of rumours during her visits in London.

    The people who live and die in a Shanty have the biggest Satori; when the high rise in the neighbour burns due to electrical wiring.

    SD:
    SP, I suggest you perhaps visit MM yourself and gain a bit of experience – after all, she lives in Germany, as you do, I believe – before you engage in gratuitous bullshine such as the above.

    But here’s some preliminary info, which you appear to have missed:
    Meera is silent in public meetings.

  236. shantam prem says:

    I have read that “forgive and forget me” were almost his dying words.
    SD-where you have read these words?

    So i typed.. the quotation with Osho on Google and here is the answer.
    And it also will show that my intention is not to blanket Ban someone or something. Yet i will not stop pointing when i see some high flying authority telling people to use tampons for the Protesta Massage!!

    The woman, Sadhana, has brought forward this question from Osho is hell bend to prove the agenda of her Anglo saxon bosses.

    Tuesday, January 19, 2010
    Osho : “Forget me and forgive me.”

    Can there be a death anniversary of one who is ” never born and never died” ? Sounds ridiculous, isn’t it?

    When people try to fix Osho into a birth and death pattern, this is what happens — it looks ridiculous. Osho says, death is a fiction . It means we have to drop our old habit of mourning if we really want to understand Osho.

    Osho is a visionary that has become the vision. This is why Osho consciousness lives on, it is timeless.

    Once someone asked him : ” How Would You Like To Be Remembered?”

    Osho said : “I would simply like to be forgiven and forgotten. There is no need to remember me. The need is to remember yourself! People have remembered Gautam Buddha and Jesus Christ and Confucius and Krishna. That does not help. So what I would like: forget me completely, and forgive me too — because it will be difficult to forget me. That’s why I am asking you to forgive me for giving you the trouble.

    “Remember yourself.

    “And don’t be bothered about historians and all kinds of neurotic people — they will do their thing. It is none of our concern at all.”

    Transmission of the Lamp, Chapter 29, Question 1
    Posted by Sadhana

  237. shantam prem says:

    Meera is silent in public meetings…
    I think most of the present generation Satsang givers are silent in their public meetings.

    ANd again a disclaimer..i have neither yes or no for anybody in the spiritual business.
    but this etiquette less attitude i cannot take, when someone bring their prescription, their health food, their medicine in Osho´s chamber. It can be vice versa too.

    Will someone carry the used condom from their mistress for the next use with their wife or vice versa.

    Than there are few nuts who think, there Master has send them to another master as it was needed.
    WOW.
    There Master will send them to another Master but not their husband or wife.
    Spouse will first punch the nose than a bandage from an advocate!!

  238. prem martyn says:

    …..i also wait in silence …..at the bus stop……am i spiritual and wise…..?
    I had a spot of bother with Osho’s sannyassins once but i’ll never forgive them…. as for Osho what harm can a man do sitting on a chair…no need to forgive….
    :)

  239. chetna says:

    ‘here are few nuts who think, there Master has send them to another master as it was needed.’

    I heard Osho saying that many Gurjiev’s disciples came to Osho and in one darshan he even said I knew you were coming, Gurjiev has asked me to take you! (of course I do not remember the exact words).

    I have met many old sannyasins in Rishikesh who after PapaJi went to Maharaj, who is still in the body and is a guru of Prem Baba.

    To me, they have wasted their time with Osho and carrying on in the same manner. Too attached to energies of the enlightened ones. Guru shopping basically…

  240. Forest Gump says:

    Lokesh,

    You say “in your young mind that say, ‘Hey, you think you have it all worked out but you don’t’.”

    I ask: “Have you worked out all?” Please convey honestly.

    You say “As for Chinmaya…well, you better pack sandwiches….you have a very long journey ahead of you….”

    See, you again started comparing as if people are on a contest to win a spiritual quest. How do you know he has long journey ahead, just by judgments from his posts? In fact, I admire him in way that he doesn’t get too much involved in this mind wanking.

  241. Satya Deva says:

    Lokesh is well able to respond here, FG, but it’s clear to me that you’ve missed the point completely, in both the above instances.

    A problem can arise in such communications between more and less experienced that it sounds to younger ears that the feedback is coming from someone who is simply trying to ‘control’ you, or to score points using the ‘age is wisdom’ card, nothing else.

    And it’s very easy for the headstrong young to reject such ‘advice’ (my god, I almost wrote ‘advaita’!) out of hand as coming from a ‘silly old fart’ etc. – is it not?!

    But I’d say to you it would serve your interests to study what Lokesh has said today as he’s no fool and has more than enough awareness not to simply ‘lay his trip’ on you or on anyone else.

    (PS to Lokesh: Cheques are ok, but would prefer cash, if possible).

  242. Satya Deva says:

    shantam prem

    Meera is silent in public meetings…
    I think most of the present generation Satsang givers are silent in their public meetings.

    ANd again a disclaimer..i have neither yes or no for anybody in the spiritual business.
    but this etiquette less attitude i cannot take, when someone bring their prescription, their health food, their medicine in Osho´s chamber. It can be vice versa too.

    SD:
    I’m afraid you’re completely mistaken there, SP, re “satsang givers”, who in fact do a lot of talking at their meetings.

    As I said, Meera is always silent, for around 3 hours, which is thoroughly refreshing in itself.

    And in this instance of course, it’s none other than YOU who have rudely interrupted the hitherto utterly pristine purity of this thread and indeed, this whole site, by inappropriately mentioning the name of another spiritual teacher.

    Shame on you, sir, shame!!

    Kindly apologise to Osho the next time you are in communion with him, ok?!

  243. Lokesh says:

    Satya Deva. I’ll send paper money, but remember it only has an imaginary value to a sophistacated tribe called urban man, The idea that it will bring happiness is an illusion but it can be fun realizing this.

  244. prem martyn says:

    i’m so sorry i thought this was a sexporn site for failed seekers of truth…..i can see that nothing of what i said is of any use to devoted lovers and meditators of wisdom……

    still i do think a brothel next door to the resort would save seekers a lot of money in the long run….and speed the process up…

  245. Lokesh says:

    Forest Gump you ask:: “Have you worked out all?”

    No. I am far too lazy to bother with such a ridiculous quest.

    Also you ask: How do you know he has long journey ahead, just by judgments from his posts?

    No. I am on the same journey and it seems quite long to me.

  246. prem martyn says:

    journey ? i’m still waiting for the bus…..

    bon journee et au revoir avec le dit dans le cul du Guru….

  247. shantam prem says:

    Thanks a Lot SD for shaming me.
    May my soul feel it as deeply as you have wished.
    It is very fair and justified that a man who is kicking here and there gets also some punches.
    So enjoy a great evening.

  248. Anand says:

    Thanks Lokesh that you gave me another one of your lectures telling me about what kind of a higher developed soul you are and what limited perspective I have and that you and Osho were good friends.
    And that Osho acknowledged your ‘spiritual experiences’
    and gave you a solid ‘gold namaste’ on the ranch.

    hmmh…which enlightened no-self is talking here?

    We are all very lucky here to have you around, sharing some of your accumulated spiritual wisdom.

    I have no further comments, since your words speak for themselves. Only one thing: if I would have a choice to spend an evening with you eating shushi at that newly opened Sushi place on Ibiza or drink chai with Shantam Prem in Freiburg I would prefer Shanyam, since I can feel his Osho heart beating.
    You are surely good with words and accumulated knowledge, but my heart would be more with SD,
    call it Bhakti Yoga or whatever.

    Yes we were all great rebels in those days hanging out in the back rows of Buddha hall, since the front rows were occupied with the likes of Sheela, Laxmi, Deeksha type dragon women.

    So we are self righteous devotees based in ignorance.

    Hmm…lucky us that again, that Lucky Strike Luke Mitchell is here to get us on the right path.

    He explored the way beyond Osho sannyasin, he went further then all of us. Probably good old bold headed Poonjaji in Lucknow gave him another gold namaste
    and good friendly handshake for his further explorations on the advaita path to recognize the no-self beyond the ego trapped in the mind cage.

    Somehow the eastern winds brought Lucky Strike to Ibiza, where writers and some old buddies from Pune 1 are hanging out. And sannyasnews is a good place to fight some good intellectual battles to keep your writing skills sharp.

    Still…chai with SD, although he gained some weight recently. Must be the good German pastries.

  249. Lokesh says:

    Anand, your comments come across as snide. I am not surprised by your reaction and yes it is true I do use this blog to hone my writing skills, although it does not pose the kind of challenges that I had somehow hoped for.
    I keep running into this sannyasin fundamentalist thing which is built around such abstractions as ‘the Osho heart beating’.
    I suppose in a way I am doing something you fundamentalists see as some kind of sin…thinking. It is as if people like yourself don’t want people around who have developed their minds to the point of being able to analyze and critizize in an intelligent way. For all Osho’s talk of no.mind and moving beyond the mind he was also in possession of a brilliant mind, capable of reading the best their is to read and then synthesizing it into a discourse that was good enough to form an interesting and coherant chapter in a book. That was really quite amazing. You are obviously not stupid but that judgmental attitude of yours could one day be a source of problems for you if for no other reason than it being an unconscious habit.
    As for your need to compare me to Shantam Prem, well, it says more about you than it does me. I’m sure he is a lovely guy and we are all free to choose to a certain extent who we wish to spend time with. Enjoy your chai and pastries in Freiburg it is a nice town, a bit boring mind you but with the Osho heart banging up a storm between you two lovers that should not pose a problem. The joke is on you.

  250. Anand says:

    Amen!

  251. prem bubbie says:

    August 4th 2:30 pm, SP did mean “Prostate Massage” instead of “Protesta Message”? that fits better!! Hey Rump Dump Gump: you should try that!!

  252. prem bubbie says:

    Anand is speak with his Anus -AGAIN, AGAIn, AGAin, AGain, Again, again!!!! Something really stinks when you open your mouth Mr. Sw. Anand.

  253. prem bubbie says:

    Lokesh– Right On, Right On!!!

  254. prem bubbie says:

    Flappy CHINmaya, Gumpster’s heart is pretty stupid… One needs a brain in this world too!!

  255. prem bubbie says:

    Break Time!!!

  256. Anand says:

    Brain fart Bubbie is back!!!
    Guys let’s get the gas masks out from the closet……