Neo Sannyas: Keerti explores

Life is a gift — an existential gift of God. But most people are unable to treat it as such, because priests, across religions, preach renunciation or rejection of life.

Priests gave themselves the role of interpreting the teachings of avatars, messiahs and enlightened ones while forcing common people to follow them blindly or suffer the eternal hell-fire. They said God was compassionate, but they themselves did not show any compassion to common people. They did not preach reverence towards life.

Rather, they divided people in the name of religion and taught them to hate others who did not agree with their belief system or dogma. The priests have been promising paradise to those who would follow their interpretations. In this way, the people became idiotic and sheepish instead of being religious and intelligent. They became violent and estranged from life. This made life a living hell.

Given this situation, people were told to renounce life and become sannyasins. So, sannyas became synonymous with renunciation. But this was not how the sages conceived sannyas to be.

Osho Manali Camp 1970
Osho Manali Camp 1970

In 1970, in Manali, Osho once again introduced this original idea of sannyas which has been lost to the people. That day, Osho introduced his vision of neo-sannyas and initiated his first group of disciples as his sannyasins in a meditation camp. During this camp, Osho talked about Krishna: The Man and his Philosophy, and gave birth to a new sannyas of life-affirmation, joy, freedom and celebration. He brought the spirit of Krishna, his dance and playfulness into the 21st century. He wanted to give sannyas a fresh lease of life infusing it with new vigour, vitality, colour and creativity. “Sannyas has to be invested with a new meaning, a new concept. Sannyas has to live; it is the most profound, the most precious treasure that mankind has. But how to save it, preserve it, is the question. I would like to share with you my vision on this score,” declared Osho in the foothills of the Himalayas. (1)

Previously, the flavour of sannyas had deteriorated into a denial of life. Osho rejected this misconception about sannyas and said that in order to survive, sannyas needed a new meaning and a new dimension of celebration and creativity. He said: “My sannyasins celebrate everything. Celebration is the foundation of my — not renunciation but rejoicing; rejoicing in all the beauties, all the joys, all that life offers, because this whole life is a gift of God… The old religions have taught you to renounce life. They are all life-negative; their whole approach is pessimistic. They are all against life and its joys. To me, life and God are synonymous. In fact, life is a far better word than God itself, because God is only a philosophical term, while life is real, existential. The word ‘God’ exists only in scriptures; it is a word, a mere word. Life is within you and without you — in the trees, in the clouds, in the stars. This whole existence is a dance of life. I teach love for life.” (2)

This neo-sannyas is not one of formal renunciation. In fact, it is to rejoice in life, in love, in meditation, in the beauties of the world, in the ecstasy of existence — rejoice in everything! Transform the mundane into the sacred. Transform this shore into the other. Transform the earth into paradise.

He did not give any code of conduct, he did not impose anything on sannyas. He conferred total freedom to sannyasins. He concluded: “By initiating you into sannyas I am not giving you an ideology — I am just giving you courage to get free of all ideologies… I am not giving you a certain religion… I am simply giving you courage to be an individual… a unique individual.”

Keerti    Swami Chaitanya Keerti, editor of Osho World, is the author of Osho Fragrance

 

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71 Responses to Neo Sannyas: Keerti explores

  1. shantam prem says:

    I have seen this article at Oshonews. Did not get the impulse to read. At Oshonews, if I read, it is Osho´s letters titled ‘A Cup of Tea’ or the column ‘Voyages’ – obituaries to the departed sannyasins. If I read something else, it feels like too much sugar syrup.

    I appreciate Keerti´s efforts, I will say the most intense efforts by an Indian disciple to keep the flame of Sannyas alive. I would have been glad if Swami Chaitanya Keerti had taken the leaf from the life of Dalai Lama and brought before the world, ‘Illegal, unconstitutional and dictatorial occupation of Osho´s Lhasa.’

    I know also China´s occupation of Tibet is not like Pune´s occupation. Here, the third party is not involved, yet it is illegal and totally against the vision of the founder of Sannyas movement.

    People like Keerti initiating people into Sannyas is almost like giving birth to kids in refugee camps. Orange is not any more orange, it is dark. Neo-Sannyas has become old, not dead, not in coma but paralyzed. Organs don´t co-ordinate with each other. Hand says, “Why the fuck I should feed the mouth?”

  2. prem martyn says:

    I take your point, Shantam, and wholeheartedly agree that Sannyas is dead, especially amongst my most intimate friends. If it wasn’t dead, I would happily have strangled it. But because it is dead we have an even greater advantage that all the twats with the so-called Karmapas, the Moojists, the Oshitters…we can raise the middle finger in Namaste, we can enjoy that utter licence to be anything at any time without a huge preamble of traded presumptions and collusions every stinking, fucking religious group/network has.

    Utterly free to fuck off, fuck in, fuck up, fuck or no fuck. I love it. So do my friends, otherwise they wouldn’t like me.

    Hallelujah.

  3. Lokesh says:

    Keerti says, “Life is a gift — an existential gift of God”.
    Osho says, “By initiating you into Sannyas I am not giving you an ideology — I am just giving you courage to get free of all ideologies.”

    I say that if one is to live without any form of ideology one would have to drop the concept that life is a gift and say that life simply is.

    Yes, right now, life is a gift…for some of us. We might not feel that way were our circumstances to change dramatically. We are all very much creatures of circumstance…wouldn’t you agree?

    To be honest, I really do not fully understand if life is a gift or not…if asked…I just get on with it and make a practice of not thinking too much about it. It’s a bit like people who believe they create their own reality…they are usually comfortable and not worried about drone strikes in the neighbourhood…privileged, one might say. You are not creating reality…reality is creating you.

    Transform the Earth into Paradise? I must have missed something. If I look out the window I see a garden fire with people I love tending it as the sun sets in the background. I reckon Paradise has already been created. All that’s needed is the eyes to see it. Good health and living in a beautiful natural environment certainly helps. Get the picture?

    • Tan says:

      Lokesh, how hard to swallow what you have said, but it is so true: “We are all very much creatures of circumstance”. Totally agree with you, but I ask you, when this stops? When we drop being dependent on circumstances?

      • Arpana says:

        Tan,
        I would guess we can never be free of being affected by circumstances, but we can stop reacting against circumstances. Paddle when necessary, but stop when it isn’t.

        • Simond says:

          And when will you stop reacting, Arpana?

          • shantam prem says:

            No living master, no living fellow-travellers, no active meditations, but books and only books. One reacts!

            • satyadeva says:

              Further notes on your ‘mid-life crisis’, Shantam…

              Recognise and face the main fact, which stares us in the face almost every time you write at SN, that the main attraction of Osho and Sannyas for you was and remains the, er, ‘relaxed’ attitude towards sex, including the possible (in your dreams) sexual ‘availability’ of many thousands of young women flocking to one place in your very homeland (or not too far away from where you grew up).

              As I said recently (which you not unexpectedly chose to ignore) without this (se)x factor you’d never have bothered, the other stuff, active meditations and so on, even the “living master”, wouldn’t have been enough to have dragged you away from your traditional family and your legal studies in Jullundur, would it?

              All your huffing and puffing about “Osho’s Vision” – including all those ridiculous delusions of grandeur about being the right man for the job of ‘rescuing’ the entire Sannyas movement, and so on – is a smokescreen, just convenient bullshine meant to hide the basic reality, isn’t it?

              And so, in middle-age, with that situation and that essentially adolescentish sex-based dream of yours long and forever gone, and you’re on your own in a foreign land, far from ‘home’, without even a worthwhile occupation to channel your energy and engender self-respect, you choose to offload your tension, anger, unhappiness, pain on to perceived ‘oppressors’ and ‘circumstances’, like any unfulfilled, anguished middle-aged person harking back to their (idealised, by the way) youth and impotently longing for it, or even an approximate version of it, to somehow re-appear.

              In other words, you’ve turned yourself into a ‘professional victim’. With no possibility of achieving any shred of credibility until you recognise and face the harsh and humbling truth of what you’ve allowed yourself to become – YOUR creation, no one else’s.

              The dream is over, Shantam Prem…Time to wake up….

              • shantam prem says:

                “The dream is over, Shantam Prem…Time to wake up….”

                “Let us go to Meera togther! Meera is in my life, so I am awake.” Such is the state of Satyadeva.

                • satyadeva says:

                  Hark! – I do believe I hear the sound of extremely loud snoring…

                  Wow, that fella is REALLY asleep – and REALLY dreaming hard!

                  They say dreams invariably reveal the truth of the dreamer’s psyche – my God, that guy is REALLY stupid!

                • shantam prem says:

                  Lols.
                  Pandits and their wisdom.

          • Arpana says:

            Your self-control is the other side of the coin to reactive, but you have no self-awareness that you’re self-controlled and what that means.

            There is a place between reactive and self-controlled. I know this place. You don’t.

        • Tan says:

          Fair enough. Thanks, Arps! xxx

      • Lokesh says:

        Ehm…erh…time for a Captain Beefheart quote…

        “Little girl, don’t you know that the stars up above are runnin’ on love?
        Little girl, don’t you know that uh they’re blinkin’ at you?
        Now, the sun can, sun burn you but
        Not as bad as those o-o-o-old people do, yeah, ha ha ha.
        Ah, once you, once you find out the circumstances
        Then you, then you, then you, then yo-u-u-u-u can go out, ah yeah,
        You can go o-o-o-out.”

        MOD: IS THE £RD LINE OK, LOKESH?

  4. prem martyn says:

    Cheers for that, Lokesh. Being alive needs the easy and familiar.

  5. prem martyn says:

    When circumstance (beauty, intelligence, wealth, health, friends or any attribute) is used without declaration of its pay-off ( i.e. a physically attractive person gets attention from the world, knows it and uses it without announcing the pay-off they get from being ‘attractive’, often and openly, that’s being confined by circumstance in a worldly way with all the muck that it brings to themselves and others.

    Conversely, if circumstance (poverty, sickness, lack of opportunity, infirmity, etc. etc.) defines one’s experience, one is then challenged to put the severity of the circumstance at least to one side, and to dwell in the remaining understanding and expand upon the life inherent, with combining support.

    The challenge is not always welcome or entirely purposeful, sometimes it just bloody is. It can though make you deep friends in adversity, if it doesn’t destroy you first. Check ‘Rocky’ (Stallone movies) quotes for up when you’re down.

    None of this is worth doing alone, for just knowing it is lonely-making enough. It would be impossible to survive this life without the love of true friendship and love on the most personal level freely given and exchanged (imho). A wise person may be your talisman, you may promote each other through the intention that he/she mirrors in you, but he/she won’t make you tea when you’re sick, ever.

    Remember who your friends are, and if you’re lucky enough to have made a loving family or children, be very happy and grateful that that reflects your created circumstance.

    I do…and I wouldn’t swap my best friend for the best guru in the world anywhere. I count that as being very, very, very lucky. If I can repay that, I have contributed to circumstance.

    Be aware that some people are insane, and I mean that in the most simple daily way, they suffer from huge competitive, unresolved violences in their most inherited relations, into which they are invested. Others, including the most destructive relationships, are utterly incapable of bonding at all, hence the need for amorphous religiosity, or repetitive, formulaic daily life that covers that set of deficiencies.

    Normality is most often a set of presumptive undeclared collusions (power, status, vanity) in private or work life which are only peripherally attended to. In terms of content it’s up to me whether I live in a cheap soap drama, or something less pedestrian.

    I personally don’t need Keerti, nor does he need me, to promote a set of affiliations of/in ANY Osho stylised, archaic formulas or venue. But if we, he or others can mess about a bit with each other’s company whilst sharing some egalitarian gibberish, that’s fine by me. Please be aware that veneration is not benign and that Love is a verb defined by its actions.

  6. shantam prem says:

    Other side of being victim…
    Example is crude. Not advisable for the adults who are still underage in their development-

    A woman in a group room was heard saying, “I was being raped by few people. It was painful. I thought this will make me victim. This I don´t want to be. I cannot put my master down, I cannot put my therapist down. So I started enjoying it. It was always my fantasy to have gang bang.”

  7. shantam prem says:

    Back to the string. Title is ‘Neo Sannyas: Keerti Explores’. Can we imagine title is ‘Neo Sannyas: Amrito Explores’, or ‘Neo Sannyas: Devageet explores’? Yes, one can imagine, the way one can imagine Germans speaking Arabic in not so faraway future. Irony apart, why it is so, the people who were once the pride of Sannyas movement have gone indifferent?

    I hope Parmartha and few others who have remained unwavered in their commitment towards Sannyas can answer profoundly.

    • satyadeva says:

      “the people who were once the pride of Sannyas movement” – what a strange, yet curiously revealing turn of phrase, evoking echoes of concern and respect for ‘status’, the writer clearly viewing such aspects of “the movement” as crucial to what he imagines Sannyas is or was all about.

      Also suggesting a key undercurrent of his unhappy psyche, Shantam desperately seeking to compensate for his personal lack of status by undermining such figures and, who knows, eventually ‘replacing’ them himself. (Dream on, deluded one!).

      But then, Shantam is, like so many Indians, primarily concerned with ‘the collective’, ie with what are essentially ‘political’, external issues, rather than with what Sannyas was originally designed for, ie ‘the flight of the alone to the alone’…

      Yet, as all here well know by now, the primary cause of his frantic obsession is to be found between his legs, rather than anywhere else. Unfortunately for him, however, he can’t or won’t see this, thus he exists in an ongoing sea of delusion and confusion.

      Classic mid-life crisis symptoms, classic ‘victim’. Therefore, one for the notebook: ‘Definitely not to be trusted’!

      • shantam prem says:

        Satyadeva, to be true, you are blocking the space. You have no investment of any kind in Osho´s Sannyas.

        It does not really mean you are not a seeker, most probably you become enlightened even before Meera, but sorry to say, you have no ivestment in Osho´s work. You got the chance, you left it because of any of variety of reasons.

        Sannyas may be out of fashion but is still here. It is below my dignity to discuss with someone who is here because he has nothing else to do.

        I am quite serious and sincere on this Osho media.

        • satyadeva says:

          I am “blocking the space”, eh? Such utter hypocrisy from someone who’s done little else at SN for years but choke the place with the same old same old repetitious drivel, all of which arises from you, but which you conveniently blame on others.

          And for what, by the way? Any support, ever, here at SN, for incessantly making others responsible for your perpetual state of miserable discontent?

          “I am quite serious and sincere” – yes, of course you are, Shantam; that being one of the prime characteristics of utter fools, as well as of those who are here because they have “nothing else to do” – such as you!

  8. shantam prem says:

    Photo with this article is enough proof, Sannyas was not meant for foreigners. Even the article is addressed from an Indian point of view: how traditional Sannyas was and how Osho wants to create modern version.

    I think it is the easiest possible spiritual path; almost like you can have the cake and eat it too, just do it with Awareness!

    Wonder is, still Sannyas bombed. The westerns who were initiated into Sannyas also dropped out, small percentage kept their used names but mostly discarded it too.

    If the Sannyas has something precious for the western society, Shunyo, Maneesha, Amrito, Devageet, Veena, Jayesh etc., the known faces from the West, would have taken some meditation camps and offered Initiation. They know it won´t work, it will even expose the vulnerability.

    In UK, USA, Canada, it is solely Arun´s expat Nepalis who are keeping the flame alive. In their centres once in a while some initiation takes place.

    Famous disciples from India – Keerti, Vedant, Jyoti – are invited by them. This shows the big heart energy of Arunji and friends.

  9. frank says:

    Some of Lady Frieda Harris’s`’Thoth Deck’ paintings were shown at the Venice Biennale a couple of years back, when one of the themes was ‘Outsider Art’.

    I don`t think they were that well received, the critics can`t see past ‘black magic’ etc. when Crowley’s` name comes up. A pity, because the whole deck is a really amazing collection of wonderful and brilliant paintings. 5 years of intense work.

    The story goes, according to Frieda Harris, that whilst painting each picture, events happened around her that mirrored the sense, feeling and meaning of the card being worked on. Whilst working on the above pic – the 8 of Swords and the 9 of Swords, she reported that she experienced a host of obstructions, accidents, delays and difficulties.

    • Arpana says:

      I’ve had a pack for years, Frank, and about a year or more ago I started to put a high definition copy of a card on my screen and leave it there until I had read it as it were. Went through the whole pack.

      Sometimes the cards would sit there for weeks and then I would get something, so I’ve both ‘read’ the Thoth pack and gone even further in developing my ability to read symbols, so much so I noticed a symbol in a Burne Jones painting at the museum that the head art honcho hadn’t picked up, earlier this year. Fascinated by symbols.

      I particularly like this non-standard magician.

  10. shantam prem says:

    Religious intolerance we all have heard about. In between, virus of intolerance is gripping the spiritual seekers too. If you don´t conform with their perception about life, you will be immediately accused of not watching enough inside. Sannyasnews bloggers as symbolism of miniature world are also part of spiritual intolerance.

    How many times I have not been taunted as being a non-meditator because my post does not fit with their Brahian idea of being spiritual. I wonder what kind of carrot such people use to measure the length and width of their meditation.

    • satyadeva says:

      Absolutely correct, Shantam. But do not worry, it is Certain (for It is Written – by You) that You will have the Last Laugh when you’re ‘Up There’, dining at the Topmost Table in the Pune Ashram, with the ‘Real’ Sannyasins – ‘First among Equals’, as the saying goes…

      Mmmm – and just IMAGINE…all those Lovely Young Foreign Ladies, entranced by your thoroughly deserved Spiritual Super-Hero status, virtually queuing up to be ‘Serviced’ by the Most Lusty, Northern Indian Loins of the Chief Sannyas Gorilla – er, sorry, Guerilla – back, at last, from so many years in Self-Sacrificial Exile, most Valiantly Fighting for Freedom!

      Oh, Happy, Happy Days to be Most Fervently Fought, Hoped and Prayed for!

      Lead on, O Great Inspirational Teacher (may I call you ‘GIT’, please?), for Major Revolutionaries such as You (or, please, may I call you Thee?) are always much Misunderstood by the Devious and Ultimately Damned (of which Sad and Sorry Brigade of Traitors many surround Thee, even Here, even Now)….

  11. shantam prem says:

    If, once in a while, some Indian disciple is published in mainstream newspapers, it is one and only Swami Chaitanya Keerti. It is not enough, but this much talent pool still exists.

    One can also say Keerti is the most senior disciple who was part of Osho´s Sannyas movement from its very conception. Because he is quite articulate with words therefore I expect from someone like him to write the inside version of break-up among the trustees.

    I wonder whether the silence is purchased in some under-the-table deal?

    • satyadeva says:

      “I wonder whether the silence is purchased in some under-the-table deal?”

      If so, that wouldn’t say much for the integrity of “the one and only Swami Chaitanya Keerti”, would it?! Mind you, Indians are rather partial to a bit of corruption….

  12. kavita says:

    Could that “under-the-table deal” be a common trait with Indians & Irish?!

  13. shantam prem says:

    Low traffic and lack of many writers at sannyasnews is an indication how less Osho disciples exist and if they exist, how indifferent they have become.

    When an individual, society or a country stops the churning process, there are two possibilities, Nirvana or Coma. I would request the writers at oshonews to pen down some piece for sannyasnews, as this is the only up-to-date Osho medium where comments are possible.

    In this age, article writers afraid to have comments on their work should get the courage to bear the brunt of readers. Without two-= way communication, one can be some Osho or some lost soul talking with oneself.

  14. Kavita says:

    How I wish the traffic in the whole wide world would be just vertical, like Sannyasnews!

    • shantam prem says:

      If you watch for hours tv soaps and movies made in your home town, Mumbai, sannyasnews will surely look vertical. Soaps and movies everywhere are miles long and skin deep.

  15. Lokesh says:

    Shantam declares, “Low traffic and lack of many writers at sannyasnews is an indication how less Osho disciples exist and if they exist, how indifferent they have become.”

    A pretty myopic vision, to say the least. Indifferent to what exactly? Shantam’s comments? Not a bad thing if you ask me. That’s the thing, Shantam, up to a point your comments are fun, or just so absurd you have nothing left to do but chuckle, and then the novelty wears off and they become repetitive rubbish and, more importantly, completely uninspiring.

    If you wish more writing on SN why not change tack and write something inspirational? You complain a lot. People who complain a lot usually are overburdened with ego-trips. Try stepping out of that and the rut you are in concerning who runs the Resort etc. It is all so remote from what Osho was about, especially the spirit of celebration.

    You just do not seem to get so much that was, and I suppose still is for some, essential to the Sannyas credo. You can wonder all you want about whether the silence is purchased in some under-the-table deal.

    But real silence, the good stuff, is something you do not appear to have very much of in your life, even though it costs nothing, or else you would not write all the crap that you do, or be so concerned with what others are doing, which is a form of bondage. When you are unaffected by the actions and opinions of others you won’t be the victim of so much needless suffering. It is as simple as that.

    • Tan says:

      Very good, Lokesh!

      • shantam prem says:

        Is it bloody inspirational to write, “very good, Lokesh”?!

        Mr. Masked Tan, when was the last time you have written one complete paragraph on your own? Seems like we are living in such a spoiled world where beggars complain why there is not enough cheese on pizza!

        • Tan says:

          Shantam, when trying to post here, I was receiving a window saying that I had no access to post in SN, all day long yesterday, so I was trying small sentences to everybody to see what was happening. When I posted a reply to Lokesh it worked. So, if you receive this reply, the thing stopped. I wonder if it happened only to me….

    • shantam prem says:

      Uncle Chips speaks quite authoritatively because he has never tried the roasted almonds!

      Simple fact is, Lokesh, you are like a camel who thinks he has the cliff of all the mountains. Healthy self-esteem is ok but in your case it is ballooned.

      It is not my job to write inspirational as per your Mental irritation. Am I getting salary from someone? Is it not enough I am feeding the hungry ducks? Most of the comments of Satyadeva and Arpana arise in people´s brain because they get dry bread chunks put forward by this Shantam.

      • frank says:

        You know when you see two dogs that have got their bits stuck together whilst copulating? They are having fun until the female closes up then they are left stuck and staring painfully and hopelessly into space.

        It is such a sad sight and it usually spells irreparable damage for the male. He never recovers. People say it is best to throw a bucket of very cold water over the victims to free them. I have tried it on more than one occasion. It doesn`t work. It just adds insult to injury to the poor beast.

      • Arpana says:

        The comments of Shantam arise because he gets dry bread chunks put forward by Tan, Kavita, Lokesh, Frank, Anand Yogi, Satyadeva and Arpana.

        • shantam prem says:

          Through this post I feel like saying thank you, lady ‘n’ guys for feeding my inquisitive mind to understand how mind works.

          Uncle Arpana, you have forgotten to mention Madhu and Simond.

          Very special thanks to Parmartha for running this show.

          • Arpana says:

            Shantam says.

            “Through this post I feel like saying thank you, lady ‘n’ guys for feeding my inquisitive mind to understand how mind works.”

            Nobody would ever accuse you, Shantam, of knowing how your mind works.

            • shantam prem says:

              I think I need to do little correction in my heartfelt statement:

              Through this post I feel like saying thank you, lady ‘n’ guys for feeding my inquisitive mind to understand how (group, collective) mind works.

              • Arpana says:

                You have proved the validity of my statement. Again.

                Nobody would ever accuse you, Shantam, of knowing how your mind works.

              • anand yogi says:

                Perfectly correct, Shantambhai!

                • anand yogi says:

                  Perfectly correct Shantambhai!

                  Do not expect the western baboons and camels who are halfway up the cliff of a mountain feeding stale bread chunks to hungry ducks and complaining there is not enough cheese on pizza to understood your recent heartfelt sutras, the metaphors of which are, for those who have the ears, like the strains of the most beautiful poetry of our fine mystic, Kebab!

                  And ignore the jibes of this faceless disgusting cynical dog Frank, who is implying that you are repetitively abusing the dead carcass of a holy cow in your backyard! From my own experience, I can testify for certain that she is enjoying it!

                  Remember, Bhai, we who have suckled at the milky mammary of mighty Bhorat certainly understand how the collective group mind works! And it works very well!

                  “Here is Dada – obey him. Put this underwear and turban on! You are a man!
                  Here is Amma – order your chapatis from her and expect her to be still wiping the bottom until she dies, then have wife for same purpose!

                  For sexual purposes, find gora girl – do not desecrate the purity of mighty Bhorat`s loins! When you see man with long beard throw yourself forcefully to the ground!

                  If your head bangs hard on the marble and causes irreversible neural damage-it is perfectly correct! This is the first step to no mind!”

                  Yes, it is simple – we do not need to be told what to do by alcoholic Anglo-Saxons who have hi-jacked our religion and destroyed the possibility of your rising to the heights that you deserve, bhai, which is to ascend to the podium with the gracefulness of a three-legged diabetic elephant on Prozac and feted along with that other one-and-only, dal-bellied star of neo-sannyas, Swami Keerti!

                  But bhai, I have to confess that I was a little alarmed when you showed a picture of the books that you are reading the other day.

                  Astrology is certainly a science which, as our glorious leader Zorba the Buddha Modi recently clearly stated, like meditation, plastic surgery, stem-cell genetics, public toilets, underwear and slapstick, was developed by the ancient rishis of Bhorat in their infinite wisdom 5000 years ago – but why are you reading these books by westerners?

                  You do not have to prove that you are not a racist to these gora baboons, bhai! The wisdom of mighty Bhorat and its true representatives such as you have nothing to prove to the lefty-wing, liberal-leaning, perverted, effeminite, alcoholic, rational-minded, homosexual white-skinned Anglo-Saxon subjects of Her Majesty!

                  Do you really need to read a book written by a western woman in order to find out about the state and progress of Uranus?

                  I will tell you, Bhai, it has been severely retrograde since 88-90, maybe much earlier, and there seems little hope that this will change for many incarnations and yugas!

                  Yahoo!
                  Hari Om!

                • Tan says:

                  Yogi, I guess you lived in India for a long time. You make a perfect picture…The 3-legged diabetic elephant on Prozac is pure poetry! It is perfect! Lovely! Xxxx

                • anand yogi says:

                  Perfectly correct, Tan!

                  I have lived in India for uncountable incarnations, and for at least 84,000 yugas and as a result have reached levels of consciousness and compassion that western baboons only read about in books!

                  Yet, out of deep compassion, I, along with Shantam, linger a little longer on this shore so as to throw scraps of dry bread to the needy duckies such as Lokesh, Satya Deva, Arpana, Frank and yourself.

                  Yahoo!
                  Hari Om!

      • Lokesh says:

        Shantam enquires, “Am I getting salary from someone?”

        The misguided notion that unless one is paid there is no reason to do anything lies in direct contradiction to the idea that the giver should be thankful. Osho went into this in some depth in his ‘No Water, No Moon’ discourses.

        Essentially, what Osho was driving at is that when one gives one also receives because giving jacks the giver directly into the current of life. Someone who does not give is, to all intents and purposes, dead. Any opportunity to give that is not taken is a great waste in one’s life.

        • Lokesh says:

          Shantam declares, “Most of the comments of Satyadeva and Arpana arise in people´s brain because they get dry bread chunks put forward by this Shantam.”

          A more perfect example of having an over-inflated opinion about oneself I could not imagine.

  16. Tan says:

    Hi guys,
    I was trying to post a reply to Satyadeva, and a window would come up and say that I have no access to SN, all day long today. Now, when trying a reply to Lokesh, it worked. What is happening?

    MOD: TRY AGAIN, TAN, WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED!

  17. shantam prem says:

    Neo Sannyas:
    Memories, plus books, plus meditation with every breath.

  18. shantam prem says:

    In my view, time has shown Neo-Sannyas was a foreign implantation in western soil, as if some one plants mango trees during the summer in Europe´s vineyards.

    Can Swami Chaitanya Keerti would like to comment on this?

    For worshippers of denial this may be a cynical view.

    • anand yogi says:

      Perfectly correct, Shantambhai!

      Despite the well-known prowess of the ancient rishis in the field of plastic surgery, the recent attempt to implant the mighty mammaries of mighty Bhorat onto a skinny western model has certainly failed! To try to graft a pair of juicy Alphonso mangoes, the pride of Bhorat, onto a baboon in a vineyard was certainly audacious, but ultimately fruitless!

      For those of you who are interested in the esoteric side of things, I can reveal that this whole mango plan was created by the Nine Men of Ashoka, the occult society that Osho spoke about in ‘I Am The Gate’!The same organisation also devised a plan to implant Shantam into the western world for the ultimate good of humanity – another project that has also failed spectacularly!

      The plan was to bring the ancient wisdom of ancient India to the West, starting with the time-honoured practice of begging for alms. Like Krishnamurti before him, Shantam was singled out as the Avatar to fulfil this role and duly sent down to the Bundesagentur für Arbeit to beg from the Gora in order to further the destiny of humanity!

      Unfortunately, like Krishnamurti before him, the avatar proved not to be up to the task! Indeed, he was found to be unemployable, not only for worldly arbeit but also for any kind of spiritual work at all! He used the free money to damage his own physical and mental health, stuffing himself with cheap meat, anti-depressants and getting addicted to porn!

      Within a short time he was no more than a gibbering wreck slumped at his computer, unable to do anything but alternately ejaculate incoherently onto his keyboard and then complain bitterly about everything!

      Mr Kipling was certainly right! Mango and grape battenburg or curried bakewell tart are simply not an option!

      The experiment is over!

      It is time, Bhai, to leave the spiritual wasteland of the West, where your attempts to implant your plantain into the western soil have proven to be marginally less successful than a blindfolded. one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest!

      Yahoo!
      Hari Om!

      • Tan says:

        Yogi, I don’t need The Mystic Rose, you are the one who can make me laugh loudly for hours. XXX

        • anand yogi says:

          Be careful, Tan!
          One must not become deluded like so many of these ungrateful freelance baboons who have decided to get a life and to be a joke unto themselves!

          Laughter is indeed as sacred as prayer! But only in the context of serious spiritual therapy co-ordinated by a fully certified and qualified spiritual laughter therapist in an officially-sanctioned centre with the correct legal papers from spiritual HQ!

          Remember, it is written by the ancient rishis in holy Vedas:
          “A dog that thinks that he is an elephant is like a man who tries to plant his plantain between two ripe mangoes in Germany – he got no chance!”

          Yahoo!
          Hari Om!

      • Lokesh says:

        Yogi, when is the book coming out?

        • anand yogi says:

          It is a serious matter, Lokesh!

          The wisdom of mighty Bhorat flows outwards effortlessly from my deep within and it is essential that I catch some of it on paper!

          I have a working title: ‘Autobiography of a Perfectly Correct Mystic’.

          My guru, Swami Bhorat, has prophesised that there will also be a movie. Possibly, ‘Bhorat – The Movie’.

          Yahoo!
          Hari Om!

      • shantam prem says:

        You say it for your Bhai or for your Guru.

        MOD: IS THIS A QUESTION, SHANTAM?

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