What did Osho die from?

Sannyas News Editor Parmartha examines the views and evidence

Maybe it doesn’t matter. However Osho himself certainly seems to have thought it was worth examination, and thought (under Amrito’s influence) that he was dying of thallium poisoning between 1985 and 1989, which was somehow administered to him in the USA (in 1985) when he was separated from his close disciples, and taken from one prison to another for 10 days after being arrested in North Carolina, and before arriving back in Oregon.

However there are many other hypotheses, including that he just “gave up” after some thirty years of being the servant of God.

We also all must own up to the fact that Osho took nitrous oxide over many years, and the spin of those in charge of public relations in all the various bodies that now take Osho’s work forward don’t like to discuss this or even acknowledge this. This seems to apply equally to Osho International, to Osho World and to Arun’s outfit in Nepal.

In fact I have seen many deny this hallucinogenic aspect of Osho’s life altogether. However these are easily refuted by reference to the three articles that were written under the collective title “Tooth Truth: Memoirs of a Dental Triumvirate” and printed in the March/April 2001 Edition of Viha Connection. They were written by Nityamo, Ashru and Devageet. Nityamo and Ashru were at various times dental assistant’s to Devageet, who was Osho’s personal dentist from around 1978 to his death. Particularly in Nityamo’s account, but also in Ashru’s, it is clear that Osho had three periods of nitrous oxide usage, Poona One, on the Ranch and in Poona two. Some commentators have denied Osho’s use of nitrous oxide in the Poona two period. Even a brief examination of Nityamo’s article, when she speaks of sessions and dates them in 1987 and 1988 contradict this. For some reason public relations people for Osho don’t wish to acknowledge Osho’s use of laughing gas after 1985 and, only in a passing way, before that time. I suspect the pre 1985 scenario is because they want to distance Osho’s use of the gas away from proximity to his death. Further I can only assume this is done because they feel it subtracts from their view that the main cause of Osho’s death was poisoning by the US government, not Osho’s own use of nitrous oxide.

Secondly some have questioned the amount of nitrous oxide that Osho was absorbing. I can only suggest people read these three articles. It is clear that Osho was sometimes calling sessions two or three times a day even in Pune one. Just as Osho rightly claimed that he had spoken more words than any other teacher living or dead in his life, it is fair enough comment that he might well have inhaled more than any other known nitrous oxide user over the three periods. If so, it must have had a very deleterious effect on his overall health in a body already weakened by diabetes. However it is also clear from a careful examination of the text of the three Osho books dictated under nitrous oxide (Notes of a Madman, Books I have loved, and Glimpses of a Golden Childhood) that this was very much Osho’s own choice, and that he was encouraging his Noah’s Ark as he called his helping team, to forget his bodily welfare.

The other rather facile argument put forward is that all these sessions were for dentistry purposes only. However it is clear if one reads the “Nitrous books” that this is not the case. There is clear evidence there that Osho is encouraging his team of helpers to increase for example the dose, and then record his experience of the drug.

I continue to have an open mind on Osho’s use of nitrous oxide and his death. The symptoms of nitrous oxide poisoning are very similar to thallium, and of course there may have been more than one cause of Osho’s death, but laughing gas simply cannot be ruled out as having no effect on his health at all.

I also continue to have an open mind about whether Osho simply considered his use of nitrous oxide part of his private life which was no-one else’s business (which some argue) , though I doubt it because he must have authorised, and even pushed for the publication of the three ‘nitrous’ books. Sheela and Vivek in a strange alliance (they agreed on little else) certainly did not want them published.

Some commentators consider that those such as myself who remind others of this hallucinogenic aspect of Osho’s life “negative” and “not really disciples”!

Odd, for me it makes Osho more interesting, rather than less. But apart from that, anyone who is really on the mystic path cannot refrain from examining the truth, however unpalatable. What think ye?

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305 Responses to What did Osho die from?

  1. I think, It is pretty clear from Swami Rajneesh mystical book “Tears of The Mystic Rose”
    that Osho died not from laughing gas but in the process of Correcting buddha field.

    I suggest curious people to read Rajneesh book and know the truth about Osho’s death

    love
    amitabh

  2. frank says:

    something that puzzled and amused me in the resort is that deep meditators,enquiring deeply into the mystery taht is life, file religiously into the samadhi to have their white-sock induced satoris,and as they walk past the “dental room”does anyone ever ask what on earth a fully kitted out dental theatre with the walls idiosyncratically covered with mirrors,which gives the effect of something like being inside of a mirror ball,
    is doing there?

  3. frank says:

    maybe it is his last message.

    these are the choiceless choices:

    try to drive around in a rolls royce.(zorba)
    try to meditate in the cold samadhi (buddha)
    sit in a comfy chair,get blasted and laugh your head off (beyond all duality)

  4. shantam prem says:

    it looks ridiculous to look into all the aspects of Osho, the master, the Buddha of our time.
    Old conditioning prohibits such attitude, institutions built with precise calculations also hinder the human aspects of their gods, enlightened people don´t perspire or turn grey or they are always born different than the other billions.
    but as i understand Him, this kind of mythological supremacy serves no purpose.

    Osho took prescription medicines or laughing gas to reduce the pain and enhance the feel good atmosphere, will not reduce Osho´s contribution at all, but it surely shows His dependency on the medical team lead by His very faithful doctor.
    And also one can presume that this artificial substances distorted the ground perception, few thousand western around and may be it created the picture that the great and ambitious civilisation of the west is crumbling, i am sure these people must have also pictured very grim picture of their home countries to get the approvals from their saviour of that time. if a cough or some smell in an open auditorium could effect his delicate health, the medicinal doses,most probably will also create the adverse effect.
    “Let me go to America and fix the problem”, and the history has shown, the one of the biggest Challenger to the supremacy of the west has to go back home with the share or real estate quick bucks of his newly joined prodigal son, the saviour of the master ans as it is till now, the sole custodian of His work in its most rightful form, at least this is the belief one gets.

  5. shantam prem says:

    Amitabh.
    What do you think, because Swami rajneesh wrote a book and people should trust his self colored esoteric version of things.

    The other week, i got the pateince to turn the pages of this highly over rated book on the net and feel astonished how he spins the events as per his convinience till the point, Rajneesh dies and reborn on 19th January 1990 and will never die.

  6. Alok john says:

    Wearily because you hate Osho, or maybe you hate me, I do not know or understand why…a choice perhaps…

    The articles do say there were periods when Osho had daily dental sessions of several hours. The articles do not say he had nitrous oxide every session or most sessions. We simply do not know how much nitrous oxide he took. The articles do not tell us that. We do not know if he took NO2 at every dental session, or once every hundred sessions. We do not know.

    You write :
    “There is clear evidence there that Osho is encouraging his team of helpers to increase for example the dose, and then record his experience of the drug.” Where is this in the three articles (which I still have.)?

    I think what you write is defamatory really. You write : “We also all must own up to the fact that Osho took nitrous oxide over many years.” But we do not know how much he took. You would not like it if someone said to your employers that you took nitrous oxide over many years.

  7. shantam prem says:

    What so ever Osho did….
    please see the below site of one of the Indian guru, chosen randomly, and immediately one can feel immense regard and gratitude for Osho…

    http://divinelight.info/about.html

  8. Anthony Thompson says:

    As a by standard observer and researcher i have to say that there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Osho used NO2 on a daily basis.
    I interviewed the people who were with him in the dental sessions and devageet, and my conclusions are that there is no evidence for an addiction or continuous use of NO2.

    There is no certainty of the cause of osho´s death.
    The thallium theory was not invented by amrito, but it was suggested by doctors who saw the samples taken to europe. radiation was also suggested for the degeneration of his jaw.

    I can go to great lengths about the specific aspects of the research i did. You can also read some of it in my article published here.

    As you can understand I have no interest to prove anything In favor of Osho. I personally do not care weather he died of coke addiction or shot himself.

    However I do care when people are misinformed and create theories based on rumors.

  9. frank says:

    tony,
    but can i just point out one thing?:
    an impartial observer who doesnt care if osho was a coke addict or shot himself
    but who has done 4 years solid of osho meditations,admirer of osho`s contribution to therapy,from the viewpoint of a professional psychotherapist and spent spiritual holidays at the resort for over 20 years,has a sanyasin girlfriend,i think??

    maybe it`s just my taste in storytelling……..

    but,frankly,not a credible creation at all….

  10. Anthony Thompson says:

    What makes it is difficult for you is that facets o raspects are not part of your mind set.

    I honestly do not care how he died. My admiration for the man is not that of surrendered disciple. I see the man, the contribution, the scope and the flaws, the mistakes, the lies and the deceit. If he died of No2 addiction does not change anything to me.

    I am a by standard… not an impartial observer. How can i be impartial? I admire the man immensely.

    I am a by standard observer, because despite all that you describe, I am not part of the movement, I am not a sannyasin and I stand by my criticism of the old man.

    When you surrender, your doubting mind disappears. It is not my case. i do not see Osho as a savior or holy person.

    Sannyasins have problems with facing certain aspects of Osho because they have an emotional investment on his being perfect.
    I do not.

    So, going back to No2… It is an unsustainable idea. the same with his involvement in Sheela ´s crimes.
    My research contradicts that. That is all.

    Now, if you want to talk about other warts… I have found many.

  11. prem bubbie says:

    Again, You guys are spreading UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS!!!! Another mirror for you hypocrites!! Or douche bags? Which is it? Hey Anand, tell those douche bags at Sannyasnews to stop bringing up the past and BE HERE NOW!!!! Guess who’s having a good belly laugh now? READING SANNYAS NEWS IS BETTER THAN ALL OF OSHO’S MEDITATIONS COMBINED!!! Change the name to “LOSERS NEWS”—– that’s what the regular readers are— LOSERS.. Nice to know that it’s easy to piss Anand off!!!!

  12. amano says:

    osho died because his body was getting old and weaker. My opinion is osho died of illnesses he had , but at the same time i feel that he died in aloneness.

    jayesh and amrito has made that false story that they were with in his last mintues ……these false stories and statements were made to take control of osho and he work and commune . this is my strong feeling. i might be wrong , please throw some light on my views

  13. Dear Shantam
    Swami Rajneesh book is not over rated.
    I think, He had overrated the intelligence or autnenticity of Osho lovers.

    You have rise to understand the book.
    Just one question – Do you ever meditate, or witness your thoughts?

    Osho had died before time and the credit goes to every one.
    All those people who have acted irresponsibly have contributed to death of Osho.
    May be Osho was trusting his people too much and the total freedom given to sannyasins lead to this thing.

    Forget about the old time…. now also I do not see good contribution from the old generation of Sannyasins except few rare souls like dhanyam, arun etc

  14. meera says:

    Osho was killed by the governement of America..
    because he was spreading
    the TRUTH
    to humanity
    which is against the vested interests
    of the establishment..

    the churches and governenments
    wants slaves to work for them…

    understanding the truth
    would liberate mankind
    from slavery
    from
    greedy priests and politicians

    so they will become conscious
    of what has been done to them.

    .we can change the course..
    if we manage to create communes..

    alone we cannot do anything..

    and a commune should be raised in a rich country..
    according to osho
    who said that communism is
    not for
    poor countries like Russia and China..
    Germany and America will have to start..
    Oregon is still there….
    Germany is ready to surrender
    provided we get
    meditators – MYSTICS from the east
    the western scientist
    will not be able to work it out
    without the eastern MYSTIC

  15. sannyasnews says:

    The guys here have clearly not visited Osho’s samadhi as one contributor points out. It is clearly been left by Osho as a testament to his nitrous sessions, and very psychedelic it is too. . Before comment, take the risk and go there for yourself.
    As for the Thompsons of this world despite their erudition they have clearly not read “Notes of a Madman”. There clearly Osho is talking to his team about increasing the dose, etc, and it is also clear that edevageet is unhappy that this is happening. Please read the book and visit the samadhi before opining further. Osho had to insist that this was published despite the opposition of Sheela and Vivek.
    Not rumour plain fact to anyone acquainted with the samadhi and this book.

  16. Kranti says:

    ” Just as Osho rightly claimed that he had spoken more words than any other teacher living or dead in his life, it is fair enough comment that he might well have inhaled more than any other known nitrous oxide user over the three periods ”

    How come you link these two Paramartha? Yes. he spoke more words than any other.. But how does make it fair to assume he inhaled more nitrous oxide ? What is the link between these two?

    I also saw article written by you in sannyasworld and someone who was lab assistant at that time clarified that Osho never used nitrous oxide continuosly..

  17. Kranti says:

    ” in the process of Correcting buddha field.”

    How can a Buddha die of the effort to correct a Buddhafiled..

    This is the best assumption of all.. What do you think Frank?

  18. meera says:

    sannyasnews..
    what nonsense are you talking?!
    you must be a psychedelic-braintumor..

    read the BOOKS of OSHO
    where he talked about his poisoning in America…

    are you people scared to admit
    that these governements are criminals?

    then why call yourself sannyasins.. ?!
    you are not rebels..
    you are christians.. white sheep
    class cowards…
    .insane
    and you´re not gonna survieve this holocaust

    go and mind your own businesses..
    work as a slave
    and pay 50% of your income
    tax to the governements..
    who will destroy this planet earth
    which has become a madhouse
    because of you
    idiots…

  19. Anthony Thompson says:

    Sannyasnews. I read notes of a madman. I saw the dental chair chair in the samadhi.
    The discussion is not weather Osho used No2. the discussion is if he used it on a daily basis, asa recreational drug and therefore died of the addiction symptoms.

    Devageet, Osho personal dentist from Poona one, to the end of Osho´s life stated: “Osho never used nitrous oxide, I used it, as his dentist, during his dental treatment sessions. Osho, as other masters have demonstrated (see Baba Neem karolie taking a massive dose of LSD on his first meeting with Guru Ram Dass, and showing no effects whatsoever), showed that the effects of Nitrous Oxide during his dental treatment had no effects of diminishing his clarity and awareness. He repeatedly showed that he could easily use the physiological effects of relaxation for a creative purpose, hence the three books dictated while in the dental chair: “Notes of a Madman”, “Books I have loved”, and “Glimpses of a Golden Childhood”. Having said that I can speak about aspects which do not betray that trust. Nitrous Oxide is a valid and valued analgesic and anesthetic agent, as you know, and it still provides the basis of anesthetic techniques because of its proven track record of safety and efficacy. It is a fact too that people have used it for leisure purposes. Osho was given nitrous oxide in a purely dental context.”

    Also, Sw. Jalal the dental equipment technician stated the following: “during the Ranch and in Poona 2 I was the dental room technician, responsible for looking after the equipment. Unless Osho was having surreptitious sessions without my knowledge, he wasn’t using gas on a daily, or even weekly basis.

    the books sannyasnews mentiones were dictated in “the context” of dental sessions. It does not mean that he was speaking with the drill in his mouth…which is quite difficult indeed. We do not know how long the team of Devaraj, Devageet and their assistant Ashu stayed together listening to Osho. Second, two of the so called Books “Notes of a mad man” and “Books I have loved” are actually small pamphlets. Consisting of 13 sessions the first and 16 sessions the second. Both are small books, although they have been printed to look like glossy hard bounds in recent editions, the original ones were paperbacks with colorful pictures in them with a size not exceeding a pocked book. If you read out loud what is said in each session it would not take you more than 8 minutes and in some cases no more than 2.
    The other book “Glimpses of a golden childhood” is actually a thick lengthy book that was spoken at the beginning of Osho´s residence in Rajneeshpuram , Oregon. Although it is considerable bigger than the other two books. If you read any chapter out loud it will not take you more than 15 minutes. Those are the lengths he spoke for each session. So we can guess and speculate that in the first years of the ranch, lets say, 1982, 1983, and the beginning of 1984 ( the books were published in late ´84, early ´85) theses books were taken from the “context” of dental sessions were the anesthetic used by Osho´s dentist was N02. None of this is a proof “of dental sessions lasting for months” or “Osho, N02 addiction.”

    And a final point I would like to make, why should the master, with his own commune, go to all the trouble of setting up dental sessions and having his teeth removed just because he enjoys having laughing gas? I certainly wouldn’t go to all that trouble, I’d just set up a bottle next to my armchair and get blasted in peace and quiet. So, why did he call any dental sessions? He could not open the faucet?

  20. Alok john says:

    “The guys here have clearly not visited Osho’s samadhi as one contributor points out. It is clearly been left by Osho as a testament to his nitrous sessions, and very psychedelic it is too. . ”

    I visited the Samadhi.

    “It is clearly been left by Osho as a testament to his nitrous sessions, and very psychedelic it is too. . ”

    I understand his dental surgery was retained for many years; next to the Samadhi, I think. I do not know if it is still there. I think the above sentence is again defamatory.

    “… “Notes of a Madman”. There clearly Osho is talking to his team about increasing the dose, etc, and it is also clear that edevageet is unhappy that this is happening. ”

    I do not have the book but I would guess it is impossible to conclude from it whether the above happened once, twice, five times or five hundred times.

    You may send me the book if you like 139 Station Rd, NW4 4NJ

  21. Alok john says:

    My quotes are from sannyas news

  22. meera says:

    can´t you admit

    THAT
    THE AMERICAN GOVERNEMENT KILLDED OSHO???!!

    you try to find faults with sannyasins..
    .who are innocent compared
    to
    FACIST GOVERNEMENTS::

    here one can make out that you people

    NEVER LISTENED TO OSHO

    the typical tourists….

  23. shantam prem says:

    Anthony,
    in the above post, You have put forward the case quite efficiently, sorting out facts from fictions.

    In the very first post Amitabh has mentioned according to rajneesh, “Osho died not from laughing gas but in the process of Correcting buddha field.”
    Oh My God-
    Why the management team is still alive, they are correcting the Buddha field for years!

    So here arises two asumptions, if you are a Buddha, you will die in the process of correcting the energy field around you.
    In history there are many instances.. Jesus was hanged and is till hanging to redeem us from our sins.
    Osho has always pointed his presence in this exclusive club.

    And if you are not-enlightend, you can also go on correcting Buddhafield according to your taste and constituents, but than you will not die as martyer´s death, but like a monarch.

  24. shantam prem says:

    Meera, as you are pointing, it seems a truthful testamony that American govt. or the people working for that govt. have killed Osho in the most clever form.

    Whether the directions came from the white house, this Osho can sort out up in the sky with Regan himself, as one can imagine, there every breath passes through a lie detector.

    Americans are one of the most devout Christians, it is clear Osho as an illegal immigrant, whose people tried all the tricks for his legal status, pushed the most sacred buttons of host culture and their value system.

    So it was clear that revenge will be used as a correcting measure in the name of God, holy ghost and jesus Christ.

    My understanding goes berzerk, when i see Osho´s own people using the ugly techniques to silent the opponents.

  25. Anand says:

    Some notes from the dental chair for you guys:

    DATE: MAY 27, 1988
    TIME: 8:45AM
    PRESENT:

    Today don’t do any drama–I am really getting tired.

    So don’t change any places.

    Anando–where is ?

    Nityamo, it is not right (have to go up higher in chair).

    Chetena have you gone out? (No I’m here) just be here with me.

    (Hand out to Anando)

    Who is helping my hand?

    Devageet takes over notes:

    Everyobody comes and goes … Chetena.

    Now, go to the max whoever you are.

    I usually used to laugh at the letters … to whomsoever address, and I am addressing some letter: To Whomsoever It May Concern: take note. It is not at the maximum. Don’t try my sanity. Even in my insanity I will be better than you.

    Do you see the change Anando?

    Chetana?

    (She’s there, she’s too far away to hear.)

    Good ____ to be far away. ____

    I can hear you I know you are here but the meter is not at the maximum.

    You know Devageet. I don’t have to say to you. That I’m a simple .. man of taste who (gives) lives only at the best.

    I can even feel Anando coming nearer and you cannot bring the meter to the optimum.

    (It’s right at the top Bhagwan.)

    Top is not the maximum.

    Top is for others–not for Bodhidharma’s, Buddha’s, top is the beginning, not the end.

    Why (isn’t) Anando taking notes?

    I know. You R, but not very happy (?) Be happy.

    I have to … but still Devageet, I can hear your breathing. Again testing my sanity–before burying.

    (The meter to its maximum possibility.)

    U.R. but the meter does not wear glasses. Alas I should have to make you laugh. You are so serious. But the matter is meter–that I cannot forget, nor forgive anybody. It is never been at the optimum. Devaraj–came in the place of Nity. Can anybody laugh more than me, who is a silent man. Just put the meter to the optimum. It can go still a little more. I want to take risks. that has been my life. Take it down (?) Ok: but nobody (?) listens … Yes. (Laughing) Do you see the change. I can even see the eyes. (Laughing) Quick. you want me (but) (there) is ….. the other. Devaraj I want him. Nity can take his place.

    (You want them to change places? Devageet.)

    Yes. I am the most (difficult man) even Devaraj can laugh under gas … (laughing). I can hear even Chetena laughing – but the meter is not at the optiumum. Note–Devaraj. No doctor can deceive me. Put it to the maximum.

    (Mumbling) ….? I am not …………..?

    (??) Where is for Devaraj. It is putting him …? Devageet? Nity. Yes. I am saying Yes so that you can see I’m … ?even under … (gas)? But please don’t bother me, just like an Englishman. Be fearless. But don’t bother me. …?

    It is (weak?) I (am?) … doing my laughter on two doctors. I know it is … your (laughing). But Devageet is laughing at his notes?

  26. oshobob says:

    Osho had a Darshan Diary titled:

    The Sun Behind the Sun Behind the Sun

    This would be an appropriate mode of perceiving the discussion here.

  27. oshobob says:

    Alok John, someone sending you Osho’s book “Notes of a Madman” in the mail would be about as probable as someone sending me $3,000 to go to Pune.

    Fortunately, we live in the digital internet age of the 21st century. In the last few weeks I have put up all of Osho’s discourses in PDF file format on my website on the appropriate pages — Osho Discourse Books, Darshan Diaries, and Osho Early Talks.

    Here is the page link for “Notes of a Madman” — free, and will download in less than one minute. The books “Glimpes of a Golden Childhood”, and “Books I Have Loved” are also available for fast free viewing.

    http://www.livingworkshop.net/ob-notesofamad.html

    Also, to the guy who said you could read a chapter from Glimpses of a Golden Childhood in 15 minutes, just try it ! And remember to read as slow as Osho talked. 10 pages of a book text would easily take him 30-45 minutes.

  28. frank says:

    devageet quotes the old ram das and neem karoli baba acid story to explain osho inhaling nitrous ?
    lame ducksville,man.
    that story was just made up to get hippies to think,”wow,man enlightenment is stronger than acid”
    a story of dubious veracity for sure.
    i wouldn`t hold too much store in it.

    here`s another story,which i worked out for myself.
    it may be as irelevant as ,but it is made up of more true facts than the neem karoli baba story……..

    the word “osho”was derived from the word “oceanic” as coined by william james–so we read in the intros(by osho) to osho`s books.
    well,william james famously experienced those “oceanic” feelings himself.how?
    through inhaling nitrous oxide.

    you`d have to admit,that for a man who dictated books under nitrous oxide and had a dental surgery that was run with nitrous oxide in his samadhi,or mauseleum
    ——that would have to be an amazing co-incidence?

  29. frank says:

    the dialogue in the diary of a madman when osho is saying about the dial “go to the max”
    always reminds me of the rocker in “spinal tap” who had an amp that went up to eleven…for that “extra push over the cliff”

  30. oshobob says:

    that acid story was surely bogus, as admitted finally by the Ram Das dude himself, I believe, used as a PR marketing device — maybe Alpert felt guilty finally about the whole thing. Like some grunt saying “my drill sargaent can drink 6 quarts of straight vodka and still hits the bulls eye with his M-16, isn’t this military system we’re involved in great…” yeah, right…sure…

  31. oshobob says:

    Osho had a definite tendency too, to hook onto authors that he had read in his book reading days. Like William James, with the “oceanic” thing, ” ‘osho’ defines the experiencer…”, yeah, right…. that’s classic Osho for ya….haha..

    “Osho” is a reverential word from the East used to address a Zen Master. That simple.

    Also,

    you would think that a thoroughly modern man like Osho would not have to be burdened with the thoroughly old-fashioned “nitrous oxide” thing — with the tanks, hoses, masks, possible illegality, and all. It seems so …uh, 19th century. Such a cumbersome method, with all the wonders of modern pharmaceuticals available. Seems odd. Maybe he wanted the controversy that the whole deal generated.

  32. Alok john says:

    Bob, I looked at your Notes of a Madman pdf, did a quick search, but could find nothing about increasing the dose of NO2.

    The editor who lives in London prob has a first edition. Later editions probably change. So you see it is not quite irrational asking him to mail it a few miles to me also in London.

    But I think I read a first edition once and as far as I recall it sheds no light on the quantity of NO2 consumed.

    I think there is pretty good circumstantial evidence that Osho was murdered by the US government. The editor just has a bee in his bonnet about NO2 , or “likes to stir” ( his own words), or who knows what is going on in his mind?

  33. Alok john says:

    Bob wrote : “Also,

    you would think that a thoroughly modern man like Osho would not have to be burdened with the thoroughly old-fashioned “nitrous oxide” thing — with the tanks, hoses, masks, possible illegality, and all. It seems so …uh, 19th century. Such a cumbersome method, with all the wonders of modern pharmaceuticals available. Seems odd. ”

    The most reasonable explanation is the one given by the Inner circle. He was poisoned, this affected his bones and teeth, and therefore he needed tons of dentistry.

  34. Alok john says:

    PS How an intelligent intelligence agency might have murdered Osho…

    You ascertain the dose of thallium needed to kill a man in his fifties in five years. You administer a third of that dose.

    You ascertain the dose of radiation needed to kill a man in his fifties in five years. You administer a third of that dose.

    You ascertain the dose of another poison needed to kill a man in his fifties in five years. You administer a third of that dose.

    So Osho dies in five years but does not quite have the symptoms of thallium poisoning or radiation poisoning or of any poisons in the textbooks.

  35. oshobob says:

    mmm….Alok “Sherlock” John….very intriguing.
    do you really work for MI-6?
    or…
    are you… 007 himself…Bond, James Bond?!
    you are taking the position against the sannyasnews editor, who you say “likes to stir”.
    and you, Bond, like it “shaken, not stirred,”
    isn’t that correct?
    mmm, very interesting…..
    we may have to call in Inspector Clouseau to unravel all these dark and shadowy goings on…

  36. frank says:

    yes bob,
    definitely something old-fashioned about nitrous.
    altho it was around in the sixties(so i hear)and i did see it at rave/techno venues.
    nitrous and valium,so the stories go–definitely not very groovy or cutting edge,i would say.

    he tried to play the groovy thing a bit,but i dont thik it was really him
    the rolls royces-a bit rockstar cheesy with the psychedelic designs etc

    apparently,in oregon,i heard,one time he went out in in his rolls with zz top playing full blast.
    apparently he thought it was “jazz”

    must have been great:
    shades,beard.
    “gimme all your lovin`
    dont give up until we`re through…”

  37. shantam prem says:

    Parmartha,
    As i have read some where in the previous threads, you are part of the Osho movement for more than three decades.

    Won´t it be relevant to ask, ” how did Osho´s throbing work at Pune die from”.

    Few will say, it has not died, it is surviving beautifully as resort..

    What is your opinion, as a British Sannyasin from the same social back ground, about the Gordon Brown of 17, Koregaon Park.

  38. Alok john says:

    Bob, I once sent in a rather poor job application to MI6 but they did not want me. Probably too old and anyway an unsuitable job for me. They sent me a polite letter of rejection.

  39. sannyasnews says:

    We cannot let posts that quote Osho at great length on this blog and have taken down one. We have already been warned of copyright problems in quoting Osho by the authorities, and also letting others quote him. Please use the acadmeic guide here, use short quotes that support your own arguments only.
    Frankly the business of quoting Osho is always fraught anyway. This is because he spoke on so many topics both for and against any position. He was in the buisiness of foxing the mind until one came out of it…. not some Oxford don parading his logic.

  40. sannyasnews says:

    I cannot for the life of me see how anyone who read Notes of a Madman could say that Osho did not take nitrous oxide and enjoyed it.
    There are clear passages as Anand quotes briefly in this blog where he asks for the meter to be made higher, and even when it hits the highest mark,Osho tells his disciples they are mistaken.
    Of course one thing not mentioned here is that he was “working” on those close disciples. The Devageets and Amritos of this world gave a very great deal of love, time and money to keep Osho’s work in the forefront. Arguably this close work with them, and on them, was part of their reward!
    Osho liked his dentist’s chaIr, his back seemed to be perfectly rested there, and with the nitrous he was also out of pain. He didn’t get blasted just sat in front of his fire alone. He liked to play with these disciples, and to work on them at the same time and by chance he found that the dental chair was just great for this purpose.
    The damage to Osho’s health was actually done in Pune one. I was there when these things started to kick in in 1981. Osho was in real bad health then, and unable sometimes to get off the floor, and did not lecture for many months. When he came and sat in silence with us he often looked real bad. The reportage of the sessions from the dental assistants at the time just before this setback to his health, indicate that sometimes the sessions took place several times a day.
    For these sessions Devageet was the scribe of the group. Osho instructed on the Ranch that the tapes of each session be taped over the following day, just to allow Devageet only one day to make his notes. Another simple plan of the Master taking Devageet to the limit of his resistence and ego.

  41. Kranti says:

    Frank.. Your post about William James was a real surprise..Sure does not look like co-incidence..I got this from wikipedia

    ” The investigation of mystical experience was constant throughout the life of James, leading him to experiment with chloral hydrate (1870), amyl nitrite (1875), nitrous oxide (1882), and even peyote (1896). James claimed that it was only when he was under the influence of nitrous oxide that he was able to understand Hegel.[19] He concluded that while the revelations of the mystic hold true, they hold true only for the mystic; for others, they are certainly ideas to be considered, but can hold no claim to truth without personal experience of such.”

    Buy knowing Osho and his ways of doing things i am personally not worried about what he took and how much he took etc ..He was real razy in everything ..Why to break our head over this.. He wrote ‘ Notes of a madman ‘ But it is ‘ US ‘ who are going mad over everything.. He is continuing to do His work even now…

  42. Kranti says:

    ” He was in the buisiness of foxing the mind until one came out of it…”

    He is still carrying on that work..20 years after leaving the body.. What a madman He is..

  43. Kranti says:

    Frank.. I still await your opinion on that great assumption that Osho died of the effort to correct a Buddhafield.. Thats is the biggest and the most thoughtful comment from Rajneesh I think..

  44. Kranti says:

    Osho should have waited for nano technology

    ” scientists like American futurist Ray Kurzweil predict that man could become immortal in as little as 20 years through new age-defying aids”

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/73447/Radar/Forever+young.html

  45. Anthony Thompson says:

    Parmartha. the discussion is not weather osho ever took No2 and liked it. the question is weather it was recreational drug or an anesthetic used in dental sessions. I have found no proof for the later.

  46. Anthony Thompson says:

    my english… I have found no proof for the first assertion.

  47. Alok john says:

    Editor writes : “Frankly the business of quoting Osho is always fraught anyway. This is because he spoke on so many topics both for and against any position.”

    Yes but He never contradicted himself about being poisoned in jail in America.

    Editor suggests that He might have died of NO2 poisoning. Let’s think about this….
    Devageet/Amrito/Jayesh know he is doing too much NO2 but cannot stop him. They guess in 87 or 88 it will kill him. They persuade Osho that his symptoms following his incarceration are not due to NO2, but are the result of poisoning in jail. This accounts for the long speech in 87 or 88 where he says he was poisoned in jail (the one taken down). They persuade the dental nurses, Anando, Shunyo, everyone else of the truth of this story. No one is suspicious. Alternatively they tell Anando, Shunyo, maybe others, he is killing himself with NO2, and tell them they are making up this story (to defend themelves from the ire of the sannyasins??); Anando, Shunyo are sworn to secrecy.

    And the truth never gets out after 20 years with all these people involved? I don’t think so. It would be very difficult to create a watertight conspiracy with so many people involved

  48. Anthony Thompson says:

    I insist. the non-sannysins doctors who examined the samples taken by Amrito and Yogi in europe suggested heavy metal poisoning… probably thalium.
    The dentist consulted for the deterioration of his jaw suggested radiation.
    those are the facts.

  49. oshobob says:

    You need to become more accurate here.
    Nitrous oxide is N2O. Two connected atoms of nitrogen, together with one atom of oxygen.

    If you write NO2, as has been done here in this forum, that would be one atom of nitrogen, with a with a doubled oxygen atomic package. That molecule is not nitrous oxide. Has no analgesic or anesthetic effects. Osho did not use it. Etc.

    A written symbol, whether a chemical notation or a word in your language, only can have a use in communication if the meaning of it is agreed upon by both the writer and the reader.

    In chemical molecules, like N2O, this is fairly easy.

    In words that attempt to denote more amorphous and less precise entities, the communication becomes quickly fraught with confusion.

    Like when someone uses the word “enlightenment”.
    Or “conspiricy”. Or “love”. Or ‘truth”.

  50. oshobob says:

    And to correct another error, that word above is misspelled — it should be “conspiracy.”

    But in this case, we all know what the word is.

    But, H20 is water. You drink it. Your body is 70% composed of it. You would die without it. H02 would not do the trick. At all.

    And as to conspiracy, remember too, that there can be “good” conspiracies, and there can be “bad” conspiracies. Most people tend to focus on the ‘cabal of evil conspirators’ when this word is used. Not necessarily so. Pertaining to the Osho stories, this should be kept in mind.

  51. oshobob says:

    Alok john says:

    “And the truth never gets out after 20 years with all these people involved? I don’t think so. It would be very difficult to create a watertight conspiracy with so many people involved.”

    So many, Alok? 5 people? That doesn’t sound like so many to me.

  52. oshobob says:

    Anthony says:

    “the non-sannysins doctors who examined the samples taken by Amrito and Yogi in europe suggested heavy metal poisoning… probably thalium.
    The dentist consulted for the deterioration of his jaw suggested radiation.
    those are the facts.”

    Facts, Anthony?

    Who are these doctors and dentists?
    Is there any written verification of their findings?
    Is there any proof that any samples were sent anywhere for examination, other than Osho saying so?

    These doctors and dentists seem to glory in the weight of their “suggestions.” I’m sure I could get a ton of doctors who could “suggest” something else. Happens every day in court medical malpractice lawsuits.

    Professor “just the facts, m’am” Thompson should do a little deeper digging, than just believing some sannyasin “spokeperson” — or even Osho for that matter. He was known to tell some tall tales in his illustrious career.

  53. meera says:

    POLITICIANS ARE THE LOWEST KIND AS FAR AS CONSCIOUSNESS IS CONCERNED. They are CLEVER, they are CUNNING, they are MEAN, too; and they make every effort for a single goal — how to be more powerful. THEIR ONLY DESIRE IS FOR MORE POWER — not for more peace, not for more being, not for more truth, not for more love.

    AND WHAT DO YOU NEED MORE POWER FOR? — TO DOMINATE OTHERS, TO DESTROY OTHERS. All the power accumulates in the hands of unconscious people.

    So on the one hand, POLITICIANS IN ALL THE CIVILIZATIONS THAT HAVE DEVELOPED AND DIED — it would be better to say have committed suicide — HAD ALL THE POWER IN THEIR HANDS. And on the other hand, the genius of human intelligence was searching for more and more technological, scientific ways. And all that they discovered finally had to go into the hands of the politicians.

    OSHO

    The Razor’s Edge
    Ch #11: Bring the dawn, dispel the darkness

  54. oshobob says:

    meera,

    are you cracked, or what?

    the editor of this forum asked the posters just yesterday to not post extended “copy and paste” Osho excerpts here, and what do you do? Post an extended Osho quote.

    and the subject is not even related to what we are discussing here — the nitrous oxide/thalium poisoning Osho death case.

    and too, if i remember rightly, you said you were leaving THIS world of sannyasnews, as we are all unconscious.

    whatzup, meera? too much sauerkraut lately?

  55. Alok john says:

    Okay Bob, sorry about N2O.

    There were about 20 people appointed to the Inner Circle. There were 2 or 3 dental nurses. Maybe twenty-five people fairly close to Osho in the last years of his life including some Indians who subsequently left. So either these people become party to the conspiracy, or they have to be told the false story and believe it.

    These were all disparate people. Several of them later fell out with Amrito/Jayesh. But not one of them has ever said s/he thought Osho hadn’t been killed by the Americans. Not one of them has ever said s/he thought Osho had died through consumption of N2O.

    So you see I think such a conspiracy would be very hard to maintain. You try keeping a secret amongst sannyasins–it is impossible.

    Sannyas news editor is a London sannyasin who was never close to Osho.

    As to the names of the doctors, one of the London doctors who suggested thallium posoning was named in one of the books, but I cannot remember the name of the book or the doctor. I do not know if Anthony interviewed the doctors.

    There is lots of info in A Passage to America by Max Brecher. Also Maneesha, Juliet Forman, wrote three massive books on the history with tons of detail.

  56. shantam prem says:

    Ok–Osho died because of poison given by the US adminstration.
    The admistraion running the show in His name is very much focused to sell the books in the big US market.

    The sweet and meditative way of revenge will be to open one of the biggest meditation resort in that country.

    It will make the daddy´s soul smile and will also show how much grain prodigal sons have.

    As far as Poona is concerned.. it is very much rooted on the map of spiritual tourism, even the ruins of 17, koregaon Park will attract seekers from all over the world.

  57. deepak says:

    Hi,
    From last few months my mother & father are with me in Kent. we are having good conversation about the Master and Budhaism..
    I asked him (in a funny way) Why osho suggested to write “Osho never born never died, only visited this planet earth”Was he alien…
    In Hindu religion, no enlighten master has said like this…Budha, Krishna, Mahavir, Kabir or rahul…
    and he explained a really good meaning..
    In this existance, there are unkown planets and solar system….existance power is developing and distroying the things everywhere in the universe.
    only few energy get chance to unit with this energy…
    and OSHO meant that after becoming enlighthen he became one with them.and that is the reason he indicated in this mysterious message..

    now about the N2O, I believe that he was addicted to compensate the disturbance of the outside world..

    remember enlightment is not a permant isolation..
    Budha used go for long walk to transfer his disturbance..
    some buddhist monk has taken out thier eyes to compensate the external pain..

    I donot see any thing wrong in taking N2O..
    My father got paralyses attack after staying in room for more then a week….you dont know where your energy will explode…

    there is old saint (from Bhopal), used to scrat his hips with rough things…
    to calm his exploding energy…

    Now if you want to understand it is upto you..
    other wise have a good laugh

  58. oshobob says:

    Alok,

    You’re a good man, quite level-headed, and with a penchant for looking at situations with a non-emotional viewpoint…

    but, still, I can see why MI6 politely refused your employment application.

    Look…

    Conspiracies happen all the time, every day in fact. Millions of them. Most are small potatoes, taking place amongst family members, friends, and co-workers.

    It starts with one single person, with an idea.

    Then it expands to another, and a few close few of like minded ambitions and personalities. Many times a husband will get the wife to go along. Or a child may get a close sibling, brother or sister, to play their game.

    Then it expands again to the next concentric circle of maybe 5-10 people, if need be. This level knows less about the plan, the “conspiracy” (it may just be an idea of how to get the parents to go to the local carnival next Saturday). But they are a bit in the know, but a bit suspicious too. These can go on, in families, for the entire lives of the people involved.

    Then more are brought in, if you are dealing with an extended conspiracy, but this next group knows even less. They just kinda “play their roles.” It might even be just going to work for the next 9-5 shift. Driving a bus. Being a commodities broker on Wall Street.

    And on and on.

    The last concentric circle would be the whole world, all the people. If you are politically minded, or religiously minded, or economically minded. In other words, if you have a World-view of your system — and who doesn’t these days!

    That’s everyone’s dream anyway, if they could make it happen. Of course almost all can only take their ideas so far, and then it gets bogged down in a thousand and one problems. So they stop. Practical necessity.

    Anyway, if you see what I’m saying here, 20-30 close devotional types around Osho would have no trouble whatsoever in “keeping a secret.” For 20 years, or to the grave if need be. Not a problem. Not “impossible” at all. That’s, in fact, why they are chosen by the “One” to surround him. They are ones who will not squack, not squeek, not even tweet or twitter, much less spill the beans. Obedient to the Master Plan. And maybe for some very good reasons too.

  59. Anand says:

    Whatever Osho died from, it was his body died. He is alive and well to millions of people, past, now and future!

  60. shantam prem says:

    “He is alive and well to millions of people, past, now and future! ”

    Anand tell this to the management.

    If He is alive and well to millions of people, what is wrong to celebrate few days connected with OSho.

    And it is not asking for something new.

    If He is alive to millions of people, these people would like the continuity of the tradtion started by Him, so simple is this.

  61. shantam prem says:

    in fact, why they are chosen by the “One” to surround him. They are ones who will not squack, not squeek, not even tweet or twitter, much less spill the beans. Obedient to the Master Plan….

    Obedient to the Master Plan…

    Around 20 years ago Master plan´s last wish was revelaed before the packed Buddha Hall gathering.

    twenty of them were given the action tak to create a cricle and take care of the expansion of His work. Make space for my people, many more are on the way…kind of things.

    Last wish of the glorious master, a responsibilty given no tto the ambitious politicians, MBA´s from business schools, but to those who have spend their life doing meditation, groups and therpaies, the people who were expert in deprogramming the ego….

    What happened to that 360 degree circle.

    why these people squack,squeek, tweet or twitter?

    What did Osho die from????

  62. Anand says:

    Shantam Prem, what is your hang up on ‘celebrating days connected to Osho’ and ‘continuity of the tradition’. Which tradition? Don’t you see that this is creating a new religion? Maybe you would like that…..
    Why not celebrating every day as a special day? Or if you like to make December 11 a special day, invite some friends together, hang out and meditate together, sing some songs….
    Your vision of how to do things better, is also dictated by your traditional upbringing in India. And by now we have realized that there are some two different streams of visions emerging from Osho sannyas, the Bhakti path of devotion and traditions and the Zen path of awakening.
    At he end both ways will find their places and spaces to grow.

  63. Anand says:

    More dental notes:

    Sunday AM, September 3, 1989

    It is up to you, Geet.
    Where is Raj? (Here) OK. If Raj and Geet are here I can fight with death.
    AV hold fast. I love you AV. (Chuckle) I love you all. Also you, Chetena. But please go out of the room while the session is going on. Prepare my bed. I love you. You will not be able to control your unconscious. But Chetena is here? (No). From a distance she is doing the same. Better call her here. What a difficulty for a poor man who can leave this body any moment. First let Raj and Chetena come back.
    And Ashu, go to the climax. What kind of a gas you have got?
    Is Chetena here? (Coming) Wait. I am so fragile-you cannot understand my roots in the earth are almost broken. I am trying my hard to help you all to experience the ultimate. Otherwise I have no business to live. I am living for you all.
    OK Geet.
    _____________________________________________________
    Again I can hear your hiccups–(No is the drain)
    (want to wash out) Do whatever you feel.
    ______________________________________
    Chetena, please stop saying anything.
    __________________________________
    Do whatever you feel right. You are my doctor. I am just a patient. It is not still OK. Just have another look. You are also my disciple.
    OK. A little oxygen. It will be good. I can rest.
    It is a strange feeling. As I close my mouth I feel you are working on my teeth. In the night. And I know you cannot be because my mouth is closed. Right now it is there. Do you want to have at look at what can cause it. (gas again?) You can because this happens 3 or 4 times in the night. It is so actual and I know nobody can be doing it. Something in the nerves must be throbbing – in the way.
    ___________________________
    Raj, please help Geet.
    ____________________
    Can something be done. It harasses me the whole 24 hours. Whatever Raj and you decide you will never have such a willing patient. It is hurting now (sigh).
    _______________________________
    I can see. Don’t disturb your work. (Finished) OK.
    ___________________________
    What a failure of science. I am available. You can take my whole body. It does not matter to me but the pain is unnecessary suffering. I can leave the body this moment.
    Raj. What do you think, because as I close my mouth I am still feeling Geet’s work and in the night it becomes terrible.
    _____________________________
    It is really strange. My mouth is shut and Geet’s work continues inside my mouth. And you cannot think I am imagining.
    Geet do you think the explanation can help? (No). I can understand your difficulty. The piercing pain continues (another injection).
    ______________________________________

  64. oshobob says:

    Hey Anand,
    Where did you get those notes you just posted above, from Sept. 1989?
    I have never seen those before.
    It would seem only Devageet, or maybe Ma Veena would have access to that text.
    Anand, are you really Devageet or Veena?

  65. shantam prem says:

    Shantam Prem, what is your hang up on ‘celebrating days connected to Osho’ and ‘continuity of the tradition’. Which tradition? Don’t you see that this is creating a new religion? Maybe you would like that…
    Anand Dear,
    For me it is not a question of tradition but of HONESTY and SINCERETY.

    I am utterly delighted that because of OSHO, i can walk the walk alone. And OSHO does not mean the Man,,,,, whose pulse was checked by Dr. Amrito and charted flights was billed by Our Jayesh.

    Osho means, a complete package…not just books meditation techniques…but HIS PEOPLE and the life style developed under His presence.
    Take these people away, take these festivity away and it is Amazon without the birds, animals and forest. Just flat land like any where else.
    With thousands others, i have experienced this complete package and therefore there is a sense of gratitude and the responsibility that it should not be pulled out from the market, just because a certain group of people will be unable to have everything under their thumb.

    This is what is happening at 17, koregaon park for the last 10 years.
    Has the Master left in the mandate to change the working style of ashram, not just the meditation techniques but the way of life developed around in His presence, festivals were created under His chairmanship and i will prefer to be out casted than to follow the dictate of someone else, if he was not chosen particularly as a sole Successor.

    If it is so, i have no objection.

    Cann´t you see the simple fact that a certain group of people bulldozed the others, by breaking the inner circle.

    Mandate was to run the show with UNANIMOUS DECISIONS, and in case of conflict to go on meditating and purifying the points till they are agreeable for all.

    Unanimous decisions does not mean that president tells to other members, sign on the blank paper without looking at the contents.

    And it is not an arrogance on my side to stick on the point that the present day ashram is a interpretation of the chief disciple.
    It is a beautiful rose garden but it is not a BOTANICAL GARDEN, and the mandate was to keep its unique style and functions where different traditions merge and melt with each other.

    Those who are unable to manage that are free to create their own interpretation, but than it should be in their world not on the cost of collective heritage.

  66. shantam prem says:

    With a rough estimate thousands of professionals from all branches of life left their carriers to be with Osho during 30 years of His presence.

    And after His death, President of the organisation could not find even a small pool of talent amongst His people to run the head quarters of Osho´s work spread on few acres of Pune land.

    These thousands of people were suppose to be the magnets to pull others into an experience worth sharing. These thousands of people, the peers of Jayesh and Amrito were systematically sidelined because of their mental blocks.

    It is a shame, it is utter humiliation.
    It is letting down His teachings.

  67. sannyasnews says:

    Hey Anand,
    you’ve got some good material there – even a surprise to the old heads here at Sannyasnews!
    Thanks for posting them. But how can you authenticate them?
    Do you want to say? Do you have the complete archive of dental notes?
    If they are authenticated they basically prove my thesis, which i have held for a number of years. Personally I think for someone who knows about this sort of thing that “Notes of a Madman’ are enough, but the “opposition” always contrive to give alternative explanations..
    I liked what you said earlier… … … …
    Osho is alive here and now, and if I can add… everywhere…. not in some small piece of a middle calss suburb in a polluted Indian city…
    Parmartha

  68. sannyasnews says:

    The link will allow anyone to read Notes of a Madman”

    http://www.livingworkshop.net/ob-notesofamad.html

  69. Anand says:

    Shantam: I agree with your points, but sometimes for some unknown reason we have to walk this long walk through the desert alone and who knows what purpose the 17 Koregaon Park property has in the cosmic game of Osho.

  70. Anand says:

    hmmmh Parmatha, authenticate? You think I made these up?

    I understand your original inquiry and will check the notes for you and post some more, but they are all pretty similar.

  71. sannyasnews says:

    In reply to Mr Thompson:
    Nitrous Oxide is not addictive and no-one has ever alleged that Osho was addicted to it at sannyasnews. You are clearly someone who is not au fait with the world of hallucengenics. Maybe you should try a few?! LSD for example is also not addictive.
    No-one has alleged, and certainly not me that Osho was a daily user of nitrous oxide. I simply state that from 1978 to 1989 he took enough to kill him. There are clearly days when he was working with those close to him, and then he organised several sessions. Mention of this is with th dental assistants.
    You can check the effects of prolonged exposure to nitrous oxide on several sites which a researcher such as yourself should be able to find easily.

  72. sannyasnews says:

    Hi Anand,
    no I dont think you made them up they seem to be authentic Osho to me. However we would be interested in how you got hold of them!! Also they still might be worth publishing as a set as it might stop the Alok John’s of this world and many others to shut up for a while and stop accusing for example me of some kind of desecration of Osho’s memory.
    If you were willing to authenticate them in some way then it might actually help many from the wilder shores of sannyas.
    Parmartha

  73. shantam prem says:

    Good Anand, this is enough.

    Osho is alive here and now, and if I can add… everywhere…. not in some small piece of a middle calss suburb in a polluted Indian city…
    Parmartha

    Great…this kind of sentences are used for the last 5000 years by the religious types.
    Is the religion on the way around Osho too!
    ( I don´t hate the word or the feelings expressing devotion and gratitude. Religion or Religiousness or what so ever)

  74. Alok john says:

    Editor wrote : ” I simply state that from 1978 to 1989 he took enough to kill him.”

    You don’t know this. This is merely speculation.

    I don’t mind discussion. I don’t mind speculation either. In my opinion some of the Editor’s statements are malicious, and I do dislike malice.

  75. Anand says:

    Parmatha, let me think about it for a while. Not all has been published of Osho
    yet and maybe there is a reason for it. Check the dates though, these notes are from 88 through 89, not from 84. Osho for sure had dental sessions in Pune 2 and used some kind of gas. There were quite a few people present.

  76. sannyasnews says:

    Anand
    I appreicate the significance of this material. Especillay because so many people deny any involvement of nitrous oxide in Pune 2.
    I understand you may wish to protect your sources, quite understandable. But those who cannot stand the thought of their Master being interested in hallucenigenics will just say you made up the text by imitating the Notes of a Madman, and just exaggerrating them… !!
    As I have said before I believe that Osho used this whole apparent interest in nitrous as a device whilst working with his close disciples – he wanted to blow their minds. By insisting in the teeth of opposition to the publishing of the 3 books he also wanted to blow the minds of the generality of his disciples, which he seems to have done with you! This would let you off the hook if was just using the nitrous to work with others.
    Alok please visit the Erowid site, you will see the effects there of multiple exposure to laughing gas. The fear of this is perfectly evident in the sort of things that Devageet and Amrito were saying to Osho during these sessions. They were very worried. Dont understand why you cant get it.

  77. Anand says:

    Parmatha, it is the other way around. I always believed these materials had been published before.

    Under these circumstances I cannot publish more right now. I will get in contact with you again, once I have cleared details with my ‘source’. I need to read through it all again and look at it with fresh eyes. The notes end in September
    89.

  78. Prem Abhay says:

    One single issue marked Osho’s decline….the ear infection in Pune 2. After this he spent many weeks battling life and death. He survived the battle, yet never really recovered, and after this all the rumors of poisoning spread. The US conspiracy theory nor the NO2 theory fit with the sudden decline marked by the incurable ear infection. Thalium has been shown to cause incurable ear infections. Independent experts suggested thalium poisoning as the most likely cause of illness. Thallium can also be administered through the ear (mixed in a solution). There is a canal from the ear to the back of the throat. In this way, thallium can be ingested. It is a simple, effective and well documented way of killing someone discretely.

    Yahoo
    Abhay

  79. Prem Abhay says:

    If SannyasNews really believes in Osho then I assume they subscribe to the view that he is only a detached, witnessing consciousness. Hence there is no reason for engaging in NO2 solely for entertainment purposes.

    If the US poisoned Osho, then the most serious ill-effect would have been noted just after the administering of the poison or radiation. It is clearly not the case that Osho suffered from any notable physical effects at the time. Of course the same cannot be said of the emotional state of many of his followers at the time.

    Yahoo
    Abhay

  80. Chinmaya says:

    GREETINGS ON THIS BEAUTIFUL OF OUR MASTER…..OSHO…..to all my friends

  81. Anthony Thompson says:

    First. In the notes published by anand Shunyo is called chetana. and Amritro is called raj, from devaraj.
    neither Shunyo or amrito were called like that in `89. By then Osho had changed the names and his. Osho himself called them by the new names.
    This makes me doubt the material. although it does look like Osho speaking. but it looks from the times of the ranch.

    Second the samples were taken to Harley street specialists in london, and they were the ones who suggested Thalium poisoning
    Dr. Jog was the one who treated Osho for the ear infection, that would not reside.
    Dr. Darious Mody, a maxillo fascial surgeon from pune, endorsed the idea that osho had radioactive necrosis similar to the people who are exposed to radio active cobalt in the therapy of facial cancer.

  82. Anand says:

    Anthony: AV and Nityamo are in the sessions. Does that help?

  83. Alok john says:

    Editor said “Alok please visit the Erowid site, you will see the effects there of multiple exposure to laughing gas. The fear of this is perfectly evident in the sort of things that Devageet and Amrito were saying to Osho during these sessions. They were very worried. Dont understand why you cant get it.”

    Devageet and Amrito may have been worried in these sessions, but they have consistently said Osho’s death was caused by poisoning in jail, not N2O. According to your thesis, they are lying or fools. I do not think they are lying or fools. I do not understand why you think this.

  84. oshobob says:

    Glad to see you’ve corrected your position from NO2 to N2O Alok. Reminds me of our man Andreas Roth, when he said everyone posts their ideas here, but noone changes a bit. He hadn’t seen anyone modify their positions one iota, one inch. Now we see it can be done. A first. Just a slight juggle of letters, but it’s a start anyway — says the ole’ boy Laozi, “the journey of a hundred li begins with one step.”

    And amazing to see all the expertise here in knocking someone off — poison in the ear canal, thalium in the pancake syrup, radiation, nitrous oxide in the dental chair, One-third the dose system, OD on heroin in Bombay hotel rooms…impressive array of methods indeed…
    maybe we could start a new country–Sannyas Nation–and get a secret service agency to go along with it too, SI6, or SIA…

  85. Anagara says:

    Prem Abhay
    just out of curiosity ………poison through the ear down to the throat , a well documented way ………?
    I ‘ d like to how it could bypass the ear drum since the ear drums stands in the way .
    second , the canal between the inner ear and the back of the throat is called the eustachian tube and is almost always closed unless some air pushes its way through to reestablish the balance between inner and outer air pressure .
    piercing of the ear drum to allow any type of liquid inside the ear would result in immediatly noticeable hearing loss .

  86. Anand says:

    It is Osho’s birthday today, which we do not celebrate.
    Here Anthony is a quote about the Blue Om.
    You do not now how Osho addressed his disciples even after their name change.

    August 20, 1989, 9AM

    Chetena, hold my feet. …..
    No Ashu, it is not yet. Geet has to say OK. Continue. Be gentle. Raj is to observe. And Ashu, bring it to the climax. I am available. It is OK Ashu. But don’t listen to anybody, including Geet.
    Who is going out? Why the door opens? Your gas is not good Geet. You can continue even though it is not perfect.
    Raj, take her place. If she wants to go out, it is OK. She will have to do some work. I wanted to be here, then be here. No gas can deceive me. Now two persons are going at my feet. It is good it is laughing gas anyway.
    I cannot speak. Anando, answer on my behalf.
    Just be here, everyone.
    ___________________________________________________________
    I am laughing not because of the gas but because of the women chattering. Geet, you do your work.
    ___________________________________________________________
    I have told you not to whisper. That’s good. (sigh) It is a basic human right to express, but do your work anyway.
    _____________________________________________
    Anando, answer Chetena!
    _______________________________________________________
    Just do exactly what is right to do. I am completely in your hands.
    It is really strange. The Sanskrit symbol Om appears before me.
    ____________________________________________
    Geet, don’t whisper, just do.
    Anando, note it. The symbol Om appears only at the time of death.
    _________________________________________________
    Geet, be very careful. That symbol is constantly there before my eyes. “Om”.
    _____________________________________________
    (Work is finished) OK (Oxygen on?) If you think it is finished.
    ____________________________________________
    (After this session Osho explained about the symbol ‘Om’ and about the Sanskrit symbol which was used backwards by the nazis. He drew the symbols to illustrate–see original notebook.)

  87. Alok john says:

    Quote below is not from Osho. It is from someone else. I think it is relevant to our discussion here. Many Western sannyasins seem to accept the post-modern idea that there is no such thing as truth. I do not think this was taught by Osho. It is just a contemporary foolish belief.

    “The loss of truth is a hallmark of modern times. People seem to believe either that truth does not exist, or that it exists but is not important, or that it exists and is important, but cannot be discovered by the human mind. Whichever way, let us eat, drink and be merry, because if falsehood is as good as truth, then wrong is as good as right, which makes me free to do as I like.

    What is truth? Truth is the matching of mind and reality. There is truth in my mind when what is in my mind matches or corresponds to what is outside it, in reality. For nobody seriously believes that there is no reality outside his mind (unless he is mad), because for instance nobody whose car-engine stops does not lift the hood (or bonnet) to find out the cause. Then truth for me exists whenever what is in my mind matches external reality.

    Is this truth important? Of course it is. My survival in this life depends from minute to minute on knowing what air is really breathable, from day to day on knowing what food and drink are really consumable…

    But can the human mind always know the truth? Indeed sometimes it cannot. But usually in pursuit of the truth, “Where there’s a will, there’s a way”. Often if men do not find the truth, it is not because it cannot be found, but because there is not a real will to find it. Take for instance the present difficult and expensive hunt for the evidence which will tell why the French airliner crashed between Rio de Janeiro and Paris. They may or may not finally tell us the truth, but find it they will, because the safety of future flights may, as far as we know, depend on it.

    Let nobody pretend that any truth could not be found when there was a way to find it. He merely demonstrates his lack of will to find it. There is a great lack of such will in what is still called “Western civilisation”. That is why it is Satanic.”

  88. shantam prem says:

    It is Osho’s birthday today, which we do not celebrate.

    How many people can make, We?

    More than one…

    As per the dictates of Osho Vatican with reverse v, All Osho festivals have been deleted, but the offshoots of small groups do celebrate this day.
    Osho world in Delhi and Köln Buddhafield are few mentioned in google search.

    Hundereds of centres in India and most probably all over the world, who may not be google savvy, definately celebrate this day.

    We can judge the age of a child, when he stays on the chair and says, ” daddy, look i am taller than you.”
    Similar is the age of those who decided with life long contemplation, ” Everyday is a celebration.”

    it seems the littlle man with long beard, who is suppose to be the master of these anglo saxon intelligentia was not aware about this. His bigger than life size ego wanted to create a celebration similar to Buddha Mahavira Nanak or Jesus kind of day.
    Till His last breath, He did not get that wisdom, which his disciples brag about, “Everyday is a celebration.”

    Any way beloved Anand, today was a right opportunity for me to buy some black forest cake for my meditative colleagues.

  89. prem bubbie says:

    Parmartha: What part of “Be Here Now”, don’t you understand?

  90. shantam prem says:

    Bubbie has wriiten two one liners in two threads in two minutes, quite a telegraphic entry after a long time.
    Has someone forgotten the doubts about Bubbie´s identity?

  91. shantam prem says:

    Parmartha,
    just dig the old thread by you.
    What is your commentary after these 9-10 years, also why you missed the famous Poona two phase, was there some disillusionment or other personal reasons?

    Commentary on Poona 2000
    from Parmartha
    The Enduring Paradox

    I lived physically around Osho for some parts of the Poona One period 74-81, and was a commune member between 82-86 in Medina, Hamburg, the Ranch and London. I hadn’t been in India since 1981 but visited the Poona ashram for the month of February this year. When Osho died in 1990 I thought one way or the other way that the organisation would gently slip away. I almost felt that was what he would have intended, given the fact he had confided that he had deliberately allowed his church (Rajneeshism) to exist within his lifetime, and finished it too. So this commentary exists also unexpectedly, people still do in their many hundreds, from both the old world and the new, find their way to the Gateless Gate, the Poona Ashram.

    It was also to my surprise that what can only be described as Osho’s energy, the energy of a Buddhafield, seemed to drench Buddha Hall (where Osho used to lecture and where most of the meditations still take place) and the Samadhi (where his ashes are) and thereby in a way the whole of the Ashram and surrounding street areas. I could not believe the power of it. It was for me as when he was alive. The synchronicity of a Buddhafield was also still there, the way you would meet just the right person at the right time – yes, that was still there. Was it still the magnet of his energy pulsing out destroying all bad-mouthing, all opinion, all bad press, that continues to draw those thousands there?
    Changes?

    There were changes from the organisation that upset some, “his” chair is not put out for the White Robe meditation, people can now take sannyas wearing jeans, there are no photos of Osho anymore, you don’t have to religiously wear a maroon robe in the Ashram. His picture is no longer on the front covers of the books. (All current changes). Gossip says its all a preparation for making the place a resort acceptable to anyone, a sort of deculted cult! Paradox, just like many decisions, (if such a decision it is), when Osho was actually alive, it defies common sense, can anyone really see the outskirts of a highly polluted Indian town in a climate not suitable for many Europeans (outside the November-February season) as good “Resort” material. If so it beats me! Similarly could anyone in 1981 really see a desert place unsold for 50 years becoming a garden paradise full of seekers?
    Unchanged?

    It was that which had not changed that mostly left me feeling blank. I never understood why Laxmi and Vidhya (Osho’s first administrators) ever recruited Indian labour to do so-called rough jobs in Poona One. It always felt like less of a commune to me. Now that is much worse. Indians do the washing up, clean the toilets, and a whole army of builder’s labourers are engaged in building the New Buddha Hall, which stretches almost as far as the Blue Diamond Hotel. Commune, my foot! It would seem a simple matter to create kibbutz type volunteer terms – sensibly open terms, and those who search a commune in which to work and have one’s being, might really still find it here. It happened in Poona One and on the Ranch (and happens still, in small numbers), but in a confused, covert way in which those who “conform” often get the food passes. Without some reform of this type, the word ‘commune’ is meaningless. Some say well less than 100 people actually run the ashram at present. Paradox, normal organisational sense does not apply here – and never did – and ‘they’ say that’s the way he meant it to be!

    There’s now a beautiful seven acre public garden east of the ashram, the Nulla Garden, built on Hollywood money by the ashram in the early 90’s. I loved it. I never saw a sannyasin working in it only Indians, and only rarely any sannyasin just “being” in it. Such a waste – and talking of waste, not a single composting area. Composting would really give an example of a sustainable sub-tropical garden – but no, not neat enough. (Osho himself loved gardening and did his own garden in Jalwalpur.) There’s also an Ashram organic farm where a percentage of the food is grown. It is run by Indians, I was told and not very interesting – what a wasted opportunity for commune involvement. Paradox, “the riches of enlightenment” are greater than any commune. Osho’s words to Savita, (Osho’s number two in the Ranch period), that prefigured her “betrayal”. Was Osho really about a commune anyway, perhaps not.?

    One unchange I liked! Twenty five years ago I used to smoke beedies in the so-called smoking temple, till my lungs were on fire, and just enjoy the unpretentious energy. (Sometimes in the ashram proper, like now, it can be a little pretentious and precious.) I don’t smoke anything now, but it was great just to sit there not smoking, unjudged, unnoticed even, sometimes spoken too, sometimes speaking, like you would behave in a plain English bar.
    The Other Poona

    Within a few miles of the Poona Ashram it is now said that seven or eight sannyasins give satsang in their own right – so anyone into this type of thing can have a right old time of it. Some would say it now makes the whole Poona experience more rich and broad, some that it dilutes the Ashram energy! Perhaps the most “famous” is Kiran, an old Indian sannyasin of Osho who lives near Poona in the Bubaneshwar forest. (His phone number in India is 91-20-4263842. No web-site or e-mail as yet.)

    I “sat” with John de Ruiter (not a sannyasin but someone who seems to appeal to sannyasins and comes to Poona annually) with about 100 others on the river bank for a few nights. It felt quite biblical and on occasion “awesomely” still! I used to sometimes get on my bicycle and go to the Ashram to eat afterwards – I personally never felt the two were in conflict. Similarly with Maitreya, who is an English sannyasin with whom I also sat. However the Ashram authorities disagree, and it seems that Maitreya has now been banned from India and he suspects that the Ashram have pulled the strings. I actually witnessed Maitreya on several occasions urge seekers to “go and do groups at the Ashram” because they were not ready, as it were, for ‘his’ group. I can hardly see how the ashram could experience this as competition. (Web-site addresses, etc can be found on our links page for these people, or if you are in Poona for a longer time, also try Madhukar Thompson (author of “Teachings on Route to Freedom” amongst many others). He is a sannyasin who lived in Poona during Poona One and Two and on the Ranch and who currently lives in Poona, and knows the whole scene. You can find his books very readily available throughout Koregaon Park bookshops, but not the Ashram! You can also e-mail him on neti-neti@yahoo.com.

    Another group of old-time sannyasins are trying to create what they call a real commune, just 30 kms from Poona – called the mystic village. Growing their own vegetables organically and seemingly in love with India as well as Osho’s energy. The reports felt real to me. (Directions on how to get there from Norwegian Mangala, her e-mail address – signature@ip.eth.net.)
    Last Day

    On my last day I remember three blind Indian men, holding the arms of each other, white sticks bobbing, walking cowed, across the, now very busy, Bund Garden Road, and my eyes fill, as they used to 25 years before, with tears. I am after all still in India, a land of enormous deprivation and human tragedy, and then…

    I visit an old friend. He says if they (the Ashram Authorities) move the location of Buddha Hall (as is threatened in the new building developments) 300 of the old-timers who still live in Poona, will sit in, e-mail all other oldtimers to come, and stay there and meditate until they desist…

    I stay up very late. India is often very, very quiet between twelve and four in the morning. I walk a deserted road near the Ashram, a sannyasin approaches from a long way off, a fellow seeker, a fellow lover, marooned also in the night, she smiles that Mona Lisa smile without speaking. And we both know a moment of mystical intimacy, beyond all words and all dispute. It is enough, the Buddhafield lingers still.

  92. garimo says:

    Alok John,
    Your posted quote is interesting.
    Main subject seems to be about others lack of will to seek truth, and ends with a mega the Devil makes ‘em do it.

    The blame contagion… is also not a willingness to find truth.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6WJB-4XGBG5S-1&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1132496851&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=8463b5072282f5412fc83032842c6968

    http://www.world-science.net/othernews/091120_blame.htm

  93. Anand says:

    Shantam, once Prem Bubbie the bully aka CIA agent and anti sannyas warrior comes back, we will be sure answer him and warn others!

  94. Anagara says:

    Anand
    you have the right to have your differences and arguments with Prem Bubbie , but that doesn’t mean you have to gobble up the CIA nonsense concocted by oshobob who seems to have a fertile immagination when it comes to inventing conspiracy theories that don’t make any sens and sees CIA agents on every street corner .
    I think Prem Bubbie as a Ranch time sannyasin makes a valuable contribution to this forum albeit with his own style which , I can understand , is bound to upset a few .
    having said that , don’t get the idea that I have anything against you ; I value your contribution just as much .

  95. Kranti says:

    Alok John.. With due respect to your post

    The TRUTH enlightened ones talk about is different from the word TRUE / TRUTH we use.. Often i see these two meanings get mixed up when a materialist and spiritualist come face to face

    The spiritual TRUTH is ultimate truth of eternal nature of being and other TRUTH is more relative facts one comes across

    Similar problem comes with the word ‘ reality’ also.

  96. Kranti says:

    Prem Bubbie does not post out of bitterness against Osho or meditation or celebration.. But he is more bitter against the collective failures of sannyasins to bring about positive changes

  97. oshobob says:

    Kranti says:

    “Prem Bubbie does not post out of bitterness against Osho or meditation or celebration.. But he is more bitter against the collective failures of sannyasins to bring about positive changes”

    That’s true, Mr. K, that’s why I hinted at the end of my post calling him a government agent, that he could acually be an agent for Osho himself — a point Anagara seems to have somehow conveniently overlooked.

    Keep in mind also my thesis that early Osho sannyasins and the government agents embedded into that system by defiintion must have very siimilar personality profiles.

    And too…

    anything is possible at sannyasnews. We may need to call in the Authority to sort it all out.

  98. garimo says:

    Kranti,
    As sugar coatings go… that one is pretty thick.

    >But he is more bitter against the collective failures of sannyasins to bring about positive changes

  99. sannyasnews says:

    Who is this fellow Anand?!!
    Here he seems to have the transcipts at the bottom of a string which refute, if authentic, all the PR stuff around Osho’s mortality.
    Of course they may be a clever invention. But if they are real then he needs to at least give a clue as to how he came upon them and their provenance.

  100. shantam prem says:

    Sannyasnews, it is very important to ask the source of the transcripts.
    In the ashram it was mentioned many times something like, ” Osho has left with us a complete blue print of His work for many years to come.

    In this way vested interests will have the field day for years to come.
    One can add few sentences here and there, to give a authentic look.

    Let me try one, fiting with the present situation.

    Geet, don’t whisper, just do.
    Anando, note it. The symbol Om appears only at the time of death.
    _________________________________________________
    Geet, be very careful. That symbol is constantly there before my eyes. “Om”.

    ANANDO REMIND MY PEOPLE WHEN I AM GONE TO THE OTHE SHORE, NO NEED OF ANY SPEICAL DAYS TO CELEBRATE. MEDITATE AND CELEBRTAE EVERYDAY.
    ___________________________________________

  101. garimo says:

    Dear Sannyasnews…
    How long does a post “waiting for moderation” wait before it is moderated?

    Would it be better to post long quotes from web articles… or post the links to the web pages?

    -g

  102. Venkat says:

    I got introduced to osho from my wife, then I became a avid reader and listener of his works, I use to think that I missed a great man in my life.. but.. he still remains there in his words, slowly removing each layer of onion which is my mind to reveal the nothingness inside me..

  103. Venkat says:

    I got introduced to osho from a book my girlfriend gave to me, there started my love for oshos work, slowly slowly the onion skins of my mind is getting peeled now with his words. Thank you MASTER

  104. Kranti says:

    Garimo.. It is not sugar coating.. I have exchanged mails with Prem Bubbie and i understand he is in love with Osho..But he seem to have has no hope in sannyasins in general..unlike Andreas who seemed to have lost hope in Osho himself.. ( Sorry Andreas.. If that is a wrong judgement )

  105. Kranti says:

    Thanks Oshobob.. I will keep that in mind.. You are a walking Oshopedia

  106. shantam prem says:

    Venkat??
    Sounds south indian name. Is Mr. Venkat, one of your friend Kranti?

  107. Anand says:

    sannyas news: thanks. I need some extra time to analyze and discuss these notes. There are many. I will connect with you again in spring about this issue.
    You made me aware of something there, which I was not aware of myself until now. I am leaving for India next week, so I will not be able to do the research before March.

  108. Kranti says:

    Venkat has posted two messages.. with some contradictions.. Not sure what he wanted to communicate

    Shantam Prem

    Yes. Venkat is a south Indian name.. Incidentally that is my legal name also.. Before people get confused i want to clarify upfront that the Venkat who posted above mesages is not me..I stay as Kranti

  109. Kranti says:

    Just to clarify again Venkat is normally a short form of a longer name ..In my case it is Venkatesh but normally addressed by people as Venkat

    When i deal with foriegn clients very interesting ways used to crop up in how people call me.. It depends on their langaue. People from Asian countries like used to call me Venka as it sounds easier for them . Some people used to almost split my name as Venka tesh

    Wanted to go for a name change through Gazette..But stopped short due to the pains involved.. You never know what you had to go thru especially in a country like India.. In that sense i am jealous of some old sannyasins who have four or five names..

  110. Alok john says:

    Garimo, I don’t think the author means “The Devil makes em lie.” He just means that a society in which there is a great lack of such will to seek truth deserves to be called satanic. In my opinion you see this a lot in New Age movements, also the Humaniversity.

  111. garimo says:

    Alok John,
    I’m not clear if you’re thinking new age movements and humaniversity are labeling others as satanic or deserve to be called satanic.

    But there’s a lot of satanic name calling going on these days… I’m thinking it ‘s a creepy religious blame game designed to manipulate others regardless of who’s doing it.

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm

  112. Alok john says:

    Okay, I won’t use the word satanic then.

    But I would say both the Humaniversity and New Age movements don’t have a high regard for truth.

  113. garimo says:

    >But I would say both the Humaniversity and New Age movements don’t have a high regard for truth

    Okay… you must be feeling some disappointment that not everyone shares the same values as you.

  114. shantam prem says:

    Alok John,
    Can you share one name from old movements or new age, where high regard of truth is maintained in the long run.

    Remember one story from Osho´s early discourses in Hindi.
    “in my dream i saw a big religious carnival on the way. Excitement was in the atmosphere. Jesus with his thousands of followers, waving hands and blessing people. Same was with Buddha, Krishna and others. Miles long festivity.

    Few minutes after the whole carnival has passed, I saw a lonely old man coming with his broken stick. i asked this lost man, which group he belongs too, i can take him to his people.

    Old man smilingly said,” I am in no group but they all work in my name.”
    I became puzzeled,” They work for you. What do you mean. Are you God?”
    “Yes,” replied the lonely old man.
    I woke up from this dream and made the pledge, ” I will walk only behind this old man.”

  115. Kranti says:

    Beautiful post Shantam.. Thats real celebration

  116. Kranti says:

    Dear Meera.. The following is for you

    Celebration on special days has nothing to do with what Osho meant as celebration

    ” True celebration should come from your life, in your life. And true celebration cannot be according to the calendar, that on the first of November you will celebrate. Strange, the whole year you are miserable and on the first of November suddenly you come out of misery, dancing. Either the misery was false or the first of November is false; both cannot be true. And once the first of November is gone, you are back in your dark hole, everybody in his misery, everybody in his anxiety.
    Life should be a continuous celebration, a festival of lights the whole year round. Only then you can grow up, you can blossom. Transform small things into celebration.”

    “Your life becomes a vital celebration, your relationship becomes a festive thing; whatsoever you do, every moment is a festival. You eat, and eating becomes a celebration; you take a bath, and bathing becomes a celebration; you talk, and talking becomes a celebration; relationship becomes a celebration. Your outer life becomes festive, there is no sadness in it. How can sadness exist with silence? But ordinarily you think otherwise: you think if you are silent you will be sad. Ordinarily you think how you can avoid sadness if you are silent. I tell you, the silence that exists with sadness cannot be true. Something has gone wrong. You have missed the path, you are off the track. Only celebration can give proof that the real silence has happened.”

  117. sannyasnews says:

    “Anand” says:

    “sannyas news: thanks. I need some extra time to analyze and discuss these notes. There are many. I will connect with you again in spring about this issue.
    You made me aware of something there, which I was not aware of myself until now. I am leaving for India next week, so I will not be able to do the research before March.”

    We are not so happy with this reply Anand, though we appreciate your earlier contributions, if authentic. .
    It seems to us a simple matter to let people know the provenance of your three posts. They are very significant, IF AUTHENTIC, but leave those who want the “Tooth Truth” in the open, no further advanced, if we cannot authenticate them.

  118. Anand says:

    I understand ‘sannyasnews’. I am not sure, why you think that these notes are so important. But I am not making them up and in my opinion they are absolutely authentic.
    But let me do some more research on them and unfortunately I am very busy right now, so it will take a bit of time.

  119. Kranti says:

    Anand.. Let me know when you are there in Pune.. Can you send me your mail ID?

  120. sannyasnews says:

    Anand, if these dental notes are AUTHENTIC and can be proved to be, then they totally disprove the public relation dept account of Osho’s intake of nitrous oxide, and show he was taking it very close to his death.
    Osho may have died of multiple causes, but ti would be hard to discount the laughing gas as at least one cause. The “official” account is that Osho’s intake of nitrous oxide was limited to Pune one and the Ranch, and it was a limited use.
    So you must see the significance, and also in a way what you are sitting on.

  121. Anand says:

    These notes are of course authentic, but I personally do not care, if some people think they are not. I still had not enough time to study them all in depth after your information. But they are coming from dental sessions and we all know about the teeth problems Osho had before his death.

    Now you put me a bit in a bind and I think the best is really to wait a bit until I have talked to some people how to proceed. I also have them for a certain purpose. After my return from india I will know better. I will do my best to deal with this in the best way for all.

  122. frank says:

    i think the transcripts could be important.
    for example,if someone wanted to “de-construct” the religion,and pull it out of the hands of the non-stop-quote-tossing-hard-core-quazi-hindu-he`s-the-bhagdaddy-style would-be hagiographers….
    l i would say that far more effective than taking down pictures of a “dead guy with a beard”,
    much better to have that dead guy with a beard shown as the irreducible rascal he really was…
    he liked a good puff of a morning now and then,and along with playing one massive practical joke on “renunciation”,the linchpin of all so-called religion….
    famously “provoked god”,and just about everyone else`s “ego” who came into contact with him…..
    and even went on to contrive such a prank as leaving his tripping paraphernalia bang next door around his holiest of holies–his “samadhi” for his saintly followers to walk past everyday.

    i am not a literal thinking man by temperament,but well,
    “rascal saint”

    that does it for me.

  123. Quin says:

    hello,
    i am an ex sannyasin. Osho has been a great inspiration for me for more than 20 years and i also saw this man as the master of masters, the most beautiful man ever walking on this planet etc etc..
    Now i know it was just a human being with good and bad charactaristics and to see him as a kind of holy man is just a spiritual inmature position. We are all enlightened and to see others as enlightened and ourselves as unenlightened is just bogus if we realise this or not. Under every namaste (folded hands) there is a middle finger waiting… to put others higher than yourself is criminal and disrespecful and an escape mechanism. In my opinion Osho was an enlightened junkie who was addicted to all kind of drugs like valium and that may be the reason for his death.. I wonder why so many people like to hold on to this image of Osho as a holy man..a perfect role model..isn´t it time to grow up and share our enlightened state with eachother as friends???
    Love,
    Quin

  124. Anand says:

    Quin, I understand your are an ex=sannyasins and you still need to rationalize
    your state of being. If you are so enlightened, why are you visiting here?
    In my opinion Osho is a spiritual awakened master and his love and teachings continue beyond his death.
    But it might be more easy to declare yourself enlightened, declare Osho a fake and continue to live in a state of delusion. I feel sorry for you.

  125. prem bubbie says:

    More delightful responses from the great MASTER douche bag, Anand!!!

  126. Quin, You sound more like confused than a total idiot. I don’t know what in the world you were doing during your long disciplehood. But, it looks Osho was certainly working on you during those times. A statement such as “we all are enlightened..” from a person like ‘you’ is enough a proof. Recognize it and feel grateful..

  127. Kranti says:

    If we are all enlightened then why do we need the guidance of the another enlightened master? Infact why do we call someone a master?

    There certainly is a difference between us and Osho..We are enlightened only in potential not in actuality.. Isnt that what Osho tells us ?

    If someone is enlighetned and they are in complete bliss all the time why do they need trivial things like drugs and chemicals to relax them.. I personally dont buy these theories that Osho took this or that etc.. Atkeast it can not be for relaxation..It might have been for handling physical pain..

    It seems sometimes our ego hurts there is someone superior than us.. But we also see that it is true .. We also cant understand why Osho did certain things which didnt fit within our idea of enlightenment image.. The only way we can rationalize / heal the ego is by reducing Osho to ‘ normal human being with good and bad traits ‘ etc etc

    Why cant we understand that at the level of duality / world , limitaitions enter and what Osho or a Buddha does at that level can go wrong… showing him as ordinary man.. Why should we judge someone on the basis of what they DO as doing is subject to limitations.

  128. shantam prem says:

    Quin Quin Quin,
    it is your turn Swami to deliver the second punch. The entry punch was quite spectacular.
    It even brought one more reader into action. i really felt touched when clicking on Teeertha´s name, his web site got opened and breeze of Osho energy came out.

  129. Quin says:

    Hi,
    Seek equality with your master..that´s all..the rest is just bla bla…
    By the way, why such aggressive responses? it is really shocking to read..in my memory and in my many years of being in the Osho Commune in Pune i remember my fellow sannyasins as a loving bunch of people…To keep the memory alive this is my final plug in to this website…i am not interested in discussing anything with anybody just felt like sharing where i am right now…ciao!

  130. Quin says:

    I am going too fast…Sorry Kranti i have forgotten to answer your response..i feel you to be a very sincere person
    I understand that in life we all need teachers,masters role models of any sort to help us, to inspire us to take steps in our evolutionary growth as human beings. For me Osho was such a person in the spiritual realm. So i do not judge in any way him or others for taking a position in this. But i do see that the traditional master/ disciple postioning is already for many seekers in the spiritual world outdated. As you might know the last twenty years the advaita vedanta teachings known as Satsangs have come to a full blossoming. In this meetings teachers (at least the bright ones) shared that we can be our true nature by just being it.(yes just like Osho told us) This is a very simple and clear way to say that even our socalled unenlightened dualistic aspects of our selves are appearing in this…this reality that we are it…this and that..
    Now i see this whole Satsang movement (which seems to be over its peak nowadays) as the beginning of a new time.. a time where we all can share our (i know the word is totally polluted) enlightenment with eachother as friends.. as equals. We are coming from the light..this is our essence..we are made of stardust poetically speaking..yes we are made of emptiness.. we are here not to chase our own tails like doggies do but actually to declare our godliness and inspire eachother to take that lion seat..so your master can become your friend..equals yes..grateful yes..why should we say ..hey man i still do all this dualistic things and declare we are not whole yet? why don´t we change perspective because dorment..sleeping or not…we are it.. we are light..what a joy to share this…love! ps i personally don´t care if Osho was a druggie or not and what terrible things he might have done..He was and is still a great inspiration source to many and that is important..The final not agressive punch is..Hey let them all prove you are not enlightened..and say to you you still need to transform this and that stop desiring women or man..stop smoking..stop being identified and the rest of it..let them say to you all of these stupid reasons that you are not enlightened..and declare yourselve as enlightened and be that selfdeclared enlightened idiot…because we are crazy but it is fun.

  131. SOMETIMES IF A WRONG QUESTION IS ASKED, THEN THE GREATEST PARADOX THAT HAPPENS IS AN INCESSANT TERRAIN OF ANSWERS GIVEN.

    THIS IS AN IRRELEVANT QUESTION FOR ME.

    IT CAN BE SEEN ON TWO LEVEL:
    THE WORLD OF SAMSAR

    THE WORLD OF SANYAS

    THIS QUESTION IS NOT TO BE CONCEIVED FROM THE REALM OF THE WORLD WE LIVE IN…SO THE FIRST LEVEL AUTOMATICALLY DISSOLVES…OTHERWISE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE DISRUPTED, DISMANTLLED AND GIVING A WAY TO ABSOLUTE DIGRESSIONS

    THE OUESTION IS ACTUALLY: DO WE REALLY WANT THE REAL, CONCRETE AND TANGIBLE ANSWERS WHICH CAN TRANSFORM OUR WHOLE LIFE…IF YES THEN THERE IS RELEVANCE OF THIS QUESTION…

    MY AIM IS TO DESCRIBE THAT THE QUESTION IS VERY MUCH RELEVANT FOR A SANYASIN…BECAUSE OSHO HAS NEVER DIED…

    THERE IS NO WAY FOR HIM TO DIE…
    I AM SAYING THESE THINGS NOT JUST METAPHYSICALLY

    BUT ON EXPERIENCE LEVEL..

    OSHO IS IS AND ONLY HE IS…

    NOTHING IS HERE EXCEPTY HIM…

    AND HIS PRESENCE CAN’T BE KNOWN THROUGH THESE RATIONAL QUESTIONS…

    AND REMEMBER THERE IS NO IMPEDEMENT FROM OUR MASTER

    BUT FROM OURSELVES…AND THESE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO GIVE NO RESOLUTION…

    ONLY THE ULTIAMTE LOVE AFFAIR WILL REVEAL…

    AND THEN THERE ARE NO SUCH STUPID QUESTONS…

    BECAUSE THE ONE KNOWS THERE IS NOTHING BUT HIM

    OSHO OSHO OSHO

  132. sannyasnews says:

    Perhaps all questions are wrong questions. Osho used to argue this sometimes!
    But by the same token all questions have an equal validity. Many ask this question above in private over the years, and sannyasnews just wants to blow that type of secrecy away. Osho clearly left time bombs for his PR machine to become confounded in, and one is sure this was his intention. That space age presentation of the dental chair as one hits the samdahi is a sure point in case, as was his insistence on publishing the “dental” books.
    Devotees, beware of devotion, sceptics beware of the disease of Descartes. You will only meet Osho in the middle.

  133. Lokesh says:

    Each to his or her own. Laughing gas always left me with a terrible headache….but it was fun.
    Check out this quote from ‘Mind Bomb’.

    The sage had died in the milieu in which he’d become accustomed to living. During the last thirty years of his life he had been constantly surrounded by controversy, levelled by adversaries and buffered by the ceaseless love of his devotees. The current debate was centred on the cause of his death. Was he, as the guru claimed, a victim of thallium poisoning, a highly toxic chemical element slipped to him by employees of the U.S. Government, a plot hatched and implemented in 1985 when he was arrested and detained within the shadowy confines of the American Penal System? Or had he, as others claimed, succumbed to the combined effects of a chronic neurological disease and an alleged addiction to prescription tranquillizers coupled with massive inhalations of nitrous oxide, or laughing gas as it is more commonly known?
    Standing by the funeral pyre, neither of those two arguments coloured Angus’s perception of this anarchistic, Zen-like Master’s sudden departure from the earthly plane. He was certain that the world had just lost a crazy diamond from its crown of creation.

    I’m sure of that also!

  134. Bodhi Satyanam says:

    What matters, to us now, for this moment? Let the master point the finger — look at yourself and nothing between him and your essence. Respect!

    From: The Perfect Way, Number 3

    “Looking at life from the standpoint of self-ignorance is samsara, the world.

    Looking at life from the standpoint of self-knowing is sannyas.
    ….

    With this knowing,
    – the ignorance and
    – attachment

    inside us drops away. The world was outside and it will still continue to be there, but inside us there will be the absence of attachment to it. In other words, there will be no world, no samsara inside us.”

  135. anniruddha says:

    master rajneesh chandra mohan’s death was a murder and ot wasnt by usa government …they only weakened his body ….but they were unable to destroy him completely….. there was a judas with him….he was murdered by the people whom he thought as his own ……… i cant actually give you people proff about this but this is the thing which happened …he was murdered by his own people.
    Any one want to explore more and know more truth and wanted to knwo why he never met master jiddu krishnamurti and why even master jiddu never met master rajneesh chandramohan is welcome..but not for discussion….logic has limits and and words are too limited to describe experience…….so who ever is ready to take plunge in sadhana’s( meditation in english) and wants to learn and experience truth through his/her own efforts about whole consiousness and flow and so to learn the lives and death of two gr8 masters of this century..their targets why they failed ..what utopia they could have created …anyoen ready to do this …….can contact me via email..i wont discuss anything …wont answer any questions……..wont meet anyoen personally ….. no phone calls…just email is my contact…… just follow techniques i will tell you and you will know it on your own ….then you decide what is what on your own not cause some one said somethign or wrote somethign……this is pure logical absurd discussion……want to know..contact dont want to know …its your choice…….. consiousness( god/mother nature/energy flow whatever you call it it is same) never gives help to anyone it just gives you chances and choices ….its your turn to make decisions
    my email is anniruddha.aaryan@gmail.com

  136. JC says:

    Very sad the people have not understood yet Osho thinking, some psychologist and writers have benefited themselves with Osho books it happen that they are just saying similar things in different way and different words,
    but they never acknowledge Osho ideas never give credits, to him,and some of you still are manipulating what happened and did happen. To me Osho is the greatest, he had the gut to tell true he was not cunning and thats why many didn’t like him. The article on discussion is more ambiguous than a “research” no references given!!!! if Toby has the evidence why not give references????

  137. loola says:

    You also forget, what a source of pain His body was for Him. Diabetes is one thing, but He was also asthmatic and very seriously so.
    So the body was a source of pain, and also not sooo important…
    And after all, He certainly knew what He was doing!

  138. osho's letter says:

    Osho:

    My beloved ones,

    I have been away from you much too long. It has been a very painful absence for me. For seven weeks continuously I have been only filled with your love, your patience, your thirst, your longing.

    These days were remarkable in many ways. Seven weeks before, I was infected in the ear. It was a simple thing; according to the best expert available here, Dr. Jog, it cures in four days at the most — but it continued for seven weeks. He has never come across such a case in his life. He could not believe it, because no medicine was working. He tried all kinds of medicines, all kinds of ointments. Finally he had to do an operation, but then the wound of the operation was not healing. Doctor Devageet thought perhaps it was something to do with my teeth — he is my dental surgeon — but nothing was found.

    My personal physician, Dr. Amrito, immediately informed all sannyasin doctors around the world and asked them to contact the best experts about poisoning, because his own analysis was that unless I have been poisoned there is no possibility to explain why my body has lost all resistance.

    And as this idea became stronger in his mind, step by step he started searching into the matter and he found all the symptoms that can happen only if some kind of poison has been given to me.

    I myself had been suspicious about it, but I have never mentioned the fact to anybody. The day I was arrested in America for no valid or even invalid reason, they refused to bail me out — although the United States attorney argued for three days and concluded in the end by saying, “I have not been able to prove anything against him, but neither has the other party been able to prove anything.”

    It was hilarious, because the innocent cannot prove his innocence by any means, and no law in the whole world requires that an innocent person should prove his innocence. The burden was on the government of America, which had arrested me, to prove the reason for my arrest.

    And even though the United States attorney himself accepted the defeat, still the magistrate denied me bail. I had immediately an intuitive flash — what could be the reason? We offered to the government our own jet plane so that their pilot, their officers, could take me to Oregon because that was where the court had to take the case. The journey was only five or six hours at the most, but the government refused that offer. They said, “Only our airplane will take you.” And their airplane took me to Oregon — a six-hour flight was completed in twelve days.

    I was taken from one jail to another jail. In twelve days I had to pass through six jails, all over America.

    In Oklahoma my suspicion became a certainty, because I landed in the middle of the night at a silent airport, and the U.S. Marshal himself was there to take charge of me. He himself was driving the car, I was sitting behind him. The man who was giving the charge to him whispered in his ear — which I could hear without any effort, I was just behind him. He said, “This guy is world-famous and all the world news media is focused on him, so don’t do anything directly. Be very careful.”

    I started thinking, What is their intention? What do they want to do indirectly? And as I reached the jail their intention became very clear to me.

    The U.S. Marshal asked me not to fill in the form with my own name. I should write instead, “David Washington” as my name. I said, “According to what law or constitution are you asking me to do such a stupid thing? I simply refuse, because I am not David Washington.”

    He insisted, and he said, “If you don’t sign the name `Washington’ you will have to sit in this cold night on this hard steel bench.”

    I asked him, “You are a reasonable man, well educated; can’t you see that it is a stupid thing you are asking me to do?”

    He said, “I cannot answer anything. I’m simply fulfilling the orders from above.” And `above’ certainly means Washington, the White House, Ronald Reagan. Seeing the situation — I was tired — I told him, “Let us compromise. You fill in the form, you write whatever name you want to write. I will sign it.”

    He filled in the form. David Washington was my name, and I signed my own signature in Hindi. He asked me, “What have you signed?”

    I said, “It must be David Washington.” I said, “This will be a reminder to you that anything that you want to do — directly or indirectly — you will be caught. It is with your handwriting that you have written David Washington and it is my signature, which is world-famous and can be recognized without any difficulty. Your whole conspiracy has failed. I can see it clearly in your eyes, in your nervousness, in your trembling hands.”

    The idea was that if I write David Washington and sign David Washington, I can be killed, poisoned, shot and there will be no proof that I ever entered the jail. I was brought from the back door of the airport, I entered the jail also from the back door, in the middle of the night so that nobody can be ever aware — and only the U.S. Marshal was present in the office, nobody else.

    He took me to the cell and told me to take one of the mattresses, utterly dirty, full of cockroaches. I said to him, “I am not a prisoner. You should behave a little more humanly. And I will need a blanket and a pillow.”

    And he simply refused: “No blanket, no pillow. This is all you will get.” And he locked the door of that small, dirty cabin.

    Strangely enough, in the early morning at five o’clock he opened the door and he was a completely changed man. I could not believe my eyes, because he had brought a new mattress, a blanket, a pillow. I said, “But in the night you were behaving in such a primitive way. Suddenly you have become so civilized.”

    And he offered me breakfast early in the morning — five o’clock. In no other jail I was offered breakfast before nine o’clock. I said, “It is too early — and why are you paying so much attention?”

    But he said, “You have to eat it quick, because within five minutes we have to leave for the airport.”

    I said, “Then what is the purpose of the mattress and the blanket and the pillow?”

    He said nothing and simply closed the door. The breakfast was not much: just two slices of bread soaked in a certain sauce — I could not figure out what it was — tasteless, odorless.

    Now, Dr. Amrito feels I was poisoned. Perhaps they poisoned me in all the six jails; that was the purpose of not giving me bail and that was the purpose in taking twelve days to complete a journey of six hours. A slow poisoning which will not kill me immediately, but in the long run it will make me weak — and it has made me weak.

    Since those twelve days in the American prisons, all sleep has disappeared. Many things started to happen in the body which were not happening before: disappearance of all appetite, food seeming to be absolutely without taste, a churning feeling in the stomach, nausea, a desire to vomit… no feeling of thirst, but a tremendous sense as if one is uprooted.

    Something in the nervous system also seems to have been affected. At times there has been a sensation of tingling all over the body which was very strong — particularly in both my hands — and a twitching of the eyelids.

    The day I entered the jail I was one hundred and fifty pounds; today I am only one hundred and thirty pounds. My food is the same, but I have been losing weight for no reason at all. And a subtle weakness… And just three months ago, the bone in my right hand started hurting tremendously.

    These are all symptoms of certain poisons. My hair has fallen, my eyesight has become weaker, my beard has become as white as my father’s beard was when he was seventy-five. They have taken away almost twenty years of my life.

    Dr. Amrito immediately informed all the doctors who are my sannyasins to approach all the best poison experts in the world. And one of the doctors, Dr. Dhyan Yogi, immediately took my blood samples, urine samples, samples of my hair, and went to England, to Germany, to the best experts. The European experts suggest that after two years there is no poison which can be detected in the body, but all the symptoms show that a certain poison has been given.

    No resistance against disease, falling weight without any reason, hair becoming white before its time, hair falling out without any reason, tingling sensations in the extremities, loss of appetite, tastelessness, nausea, the bone pain in my right hand… One of the experts, a doctor from Germany had come twice to check my bone; he could not figure out what kind of disease it is — because there is no disease. The expert here — Dr. Hardikar, a man who loves me — has been here continuously watching for three months and has not been able to figure out why this pain should be there.

    The European experts in England and Germany have suggested a name of a certain poison, thallium. It is a poison of a family of poisons of heavy metals. It disappears from the body in eight weeks’ time, but leaves its effects and destroys the body’s resistance against diseases. And all the symptoms that I have told you are part of thallium poisoning.

    The American experts have suggested a different poison which they think has been used by governments against rebellious individuals. The name of the poison is synthetic heroin. It is one thousand times more dangerous than ordinary heroin. All the symptoms are the same as with thallium, but the poison is more dangerous and after two years there is no possibility to find any trace of it in the body.

    The Japanese experts, who have been working in Hiroshima and Nagasaki on atomic radioactivity, have suggested that these symptoms can also be created in a more sophisticated way by radioactive exposure — either while I was asleep, or food can be exposed to radioactivity and there is no way to find any trace of it.

    One of the scientists who is immensely interested in me is coming within a week or two. He has been working for twenty years only on radioactivity. His suggestion is that the Americans, the bureaucracy in America, must have used the most sophisticated poisoning which leaves no trace.

    Dr. Amrito’s own research…and he is a genius as far as medical science is concerned. He is a fellow of the Royal Society of Physicians in England, and he is a rare individual in the sense that he is the youngest man ever accepted by the Royal Society of Physicians as a member. He has all the highest qualifications. His own research is about a fourth, very uncommonly used poison. The name of the poison is fluorocarbon. This poison disappears immediately. Even within minutes, you cannot find any trace in the blood, in the urine, but all these symptoms indicate towards it.

    It does not matter which poison has been given to me, but it is certain that I have been poisoned by Ronald Reagan’s American government.

    There is other circumstantial evidence for it. Because they had no evidence against me — I have not committed any crime — they blackmailed my attorneys, the best in America. The United States attorneys told my attorneys, “If you are interested in Bhagwan’s life, it is better not to go for trial, because you know and we know that he has not committed anything, that all thirty-four charges are false. But in no case will the government of America be willing to be defeated in the court by a single individual.”

    They had named the case United States of America versus Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. Now the greatest nation in the world, the greatest power in history, naturally would not like to be defeated in the court by a powerless individual.

    My attorneys came to me with tears in their eyes. They said, “We are here to protect you, but it seems impossible. We cannot take the risk to go for trial, because we have been told very directly that your life is at risk. So we have agreed on your behalf to accept two nominal charges, just to give the American government a face-saving device, so that they can fine you and deport you.”

    This was just ten minutes before the court was to start, and in the Federal Court, Judge Leavy asked me just about those two charges that had been chosen by my attorneys to be accepted because they were just formalities. It was strange that out of thirty-four charges, Judge Leavy immediately asked me only about those two: “Are you guilty of those two crimes or not?” It is clear that Judge Leavy was also part of the whole conspiracy.

    But I am a crazy man of my own type. I simply said, “I am.” And my attorney, Jack Ransom immediately added — he was standing by my side — “guilty.” So on the court record it has become the full sentence, “I am guilty.” I have not said that at all. I would rather be crucified than to accept a false charge.

    Outside of the court Jack Ransom told me, “You created such a strange situation. It is good that Judge Leavy has not taken note of it.”

    He immediately pronounced his judgment. That too is a strange thing. The judgment has to be written after my acceptance or denial, but the judgment was ready-made. It was there on the table, he simply read it out. Perhaps the judgment was not even written by him. Perhaps it was just given to him.

    The judgment was that I was to be fined four hundred thousand dollars. My attorneys were shocked; they could not believe that for those two formal charges, which are false, more than half a crore rupees are fined; deportation from America, for five years no entry, and if I should enter then ten years suspended jail sentence would have to be served. And I was told that I had to take my clothes from the jail immediately and my plane is waiting at the airport. I have to leave American immediately, so that I caonot appeal in a higher court.

    I was taken to the jail. The Portland jail is the most sophisticated kind of jail facility. It was recently built; only three months before it had been opened. It is very sophisticated, with all the latest security measures. As I entered the jail, the ground floor was absolutely empty. There were all kinds of offices but there was nobody in those offices.

    I asked the man who had taken me to the jail, “What is the reason why the whole ground floor is empty?”

    He said, “I don’t know.”

    But I looked into his eyes and I could see — he knows.

    As I was taken inside there was only one man in one room. The other man immediately left and the man in the room told me to sit on a particular chair. That was also strange because there were so many chairs; I could have chosen any. But he indicated to me that I had to sit on this chair. And he said, “I have to go to get the signature of my boss, so you will have to wait for at least ten, fifteen minutes.”

    Later on I came to know that there was no need of any signature of any boss. I myself could see on the form, and I asked the man, “Where is the signature of your boss? There is no need; the only need is my signature that I have received my clothes. No other boss is needed to sign it.”

    He was so nervous he was perspiring — in an air-conditioned room. And because he was holding the form in his hand… the form was trembling, the hand was trembling.

    As I reached the airport the rumor reached immediately to me that a bomb had been found underneath my chair where I was sitting for fifteen minutes. Perhaps this was the arrangement, that if I insist for trial and don’t accept that I have committed two crimes then it is better to finish me by exploding the bomb. That’s why the whole ground floor was empty. And even the man in the room who was to give me my clothes disappeared in the name of taking the signature of his boss, and locked the room from outside. But because I had accepted the guilt and I had been fined, I had been told to leave America immediately, the bomb was not exploded. He must have gone to enquire what he was supposed to do, because he was not aware what had happened in the court.

    One of my attorneys — and also my sannyasin — Swami Prem Niren is present here. I had left him two years before in tears in America, and he is still in tears — tears of love and trust and immense helplessness against the primitive, brutal, and violent heritage of man.

    Only such tears give a hope that one day man will be out of the clutches of animality. Niren knows the inside story of what happened to me and my beautiful commune, how brutally they were destroyed because of religious persecution by the fundamentalist, fanatic and bigoted Christians and politicians just because they could not tolerate a beautiful thing happening. They were aware that this was the beginning of the new man and the end of the old, of which they are the representatives. These parasites of the society completely forgot all democratic values and humanitarian concepts when it was a question of their own vested interests being in danger. The commune in Rancho Rajneesh of five thousand sannyasins had exposed the priests and politicians and their conspiracy against humanity as such.

    Another one of my attorneys — Bob McCrea, a beautiful man with some understanding of what was happening — told Vivek, my caretaker, after my last appearance in court, “It seems and feels to me that they have done it again. They have crucified Jesus again. I’m sorry and I feel so helpless.”

    It is absolutely certain that I had been poisoned, and these seven weeks I have been in an immense struggle.

    I don’t have any reason to live in the world. I have experienced, I have realized the very essence of eternal life, but something else forces me to linger on a little more on this shore before leaving for the further shore beyond.

    It is you, it is your love.

    It is your eyes, it is your hearts.

    And when I say `you’ I don’t mean only those who are present here; I also mean all those who are spread all over the earth — my people.

    I would like these small sprouts to become trees. I would like to see the spring come to you all, the flowering of your ultimate being, the blissfulness and the ecstasy of enlightenment, the taste of the beyond.

    These seven weeks you were not aware… you were simply thinking I was sick. Doctor Premda, my eye surgeon, had immediately rushed from Germany with the recentmost medications, but nothing helped against the poisons except my meditations — the only medicine that can transcend all that belongs to matter.

    These seven weeks I have been lying in darkness almost the whole day and night, silently witnessing the body and keeping my consciousness unshadowed by anything.

    I was struggling with death.

    It was a fight between death and your love.

    And you should celebrate that your love has been victorious.

    This time Jesus has been crucified in America by Christians themselves.

    But there is a strange story that Christians go on hiding from the world. They say that Jesus was crucified and after three days there was resurrection, but they don’t say what happened after resurrection, where Jesus disappeared, whether he died after resurrection or not. If he has not died then he must be around somewhere. But the reality is, after Jesus was taken down from the cross — and he was taken down from the cross only after six hours. The Jewish cross does not kill anybody in six hours; it takes forty-eight hours for any healthy man to die on a Jewish cross. And Jesus was a young man, thirty-three years old; six hours could not kill him, there is no possibility.

    It was a certain arrangement between the disciples of Jesus and Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor of Judea where the Jews insisted that Jesus should be crucified. Pontius Pilate was not willing, because the man was innocent. But politicians are politicians. They cannot annoy the masses; they depend on the masses. Unwillingly, he gave the orders for Jesus’ crucifixion but he made arrangements that the crucifixion should be on Friday and should be delayed for as long as possible. So in the afternoon Jesus was crucified.

    Jews stop all work by the evening as the sun sets on Friday for their sabbath. Saturday they don’t work at all. Because of this tradition Pontius Pilate and Jesus’ disciples took advantage of the situation. Jesus had to be brought down from the cross because it was against the Jewish idea of sabbath; he would have to be crucified again after the sabbath was over.

    He was kept in a cave which was guarded by a Roman soldier, not by a Jew, and in the night he was taken out from the cave. He was not dead… and the most surprising thing is that he escaped from Judea and he died in India. His grave is in Kashmir in a small village, Pahalgam. I have been to his grave. It is the only grave in India on which there is an inscription in Hebrew. The inscription says, “Joshua, the prophet of the Jews lies here in eternal sleep.” Joshua is Jesus’ real name, his Hebrew name. Jesus is his Greek name.

    He lived a long life in India, one hundred and twelve years. And pahalgam in Kashmiri means “the village of the shepherd.” Jesus used to call himself the shepherd, and he had gone there with his disciples — because of him, the village became known as Pahalgam.

    The story is repeated again. I was crucified-this time in America… and these seven weeks I have been struggling against the poison.

    And I am happy to declare to you that the crucifixion is over and I am resurrected.

    It is symbolic that Jesus is crucified this time in America and is resurrected in India. It is symbolic in many dimensions. It is the victory of love over hate. It is the victory of life over death. It is the victory of East over West. It is the victory of truth over criminals like Ronald Reagan. It is the victory of consciousness over body.

    These seven weeks I have been only thinking of you.

    It would have been immensely painful for me to leave you in this beautiful state when you have started growing upwards.

    My garden is still a nursery.

    I would leave the body rejoicingly the day I see you all have blossomed and you have released your fragrance and you have attained your destiny. The day I see the great pilgrimage — from here to here, from crucifixion to resurrection — is over for you all then I can go with a dancing heart and melt into the universal consciousness.

    And I will be waiting there for you still.

    It is certainly of tremendous importance that even after twenty centuries a man like Jesus will be crucified by Christians themselves. It was a conspiracy of the fundamentalist Christians of America and Ronald Reagan.

    Perhaps civilization is still an idea — it has not happened in reality.

    I would like my people to transform themselves and through them I would like to bring authentic civilization and humanity to this beautiful planet.

    There is only one religion, and that is the religion of love.

    There is only one God, and that is the God of celebration, of life, of rejoicing.

    This whole earth is one and the whole humanity is one. We are parts of each other.

    I have no complaint against those who have poisoned me. I can forgive them easily. They certainly do not know what they go on doing.

    It is said that history repeats itself. It is not history that repeats itself; it is the unconsciousness of man, the blindness of man that repeats itself. The day man will be conscious, alert and aware, there will not be any repetition anymore. Socrates will not be poisoned, Jesus will not be crucified, Al-Hillaj Mansoor will not be murdered and butchered. And these are our best flowers, they are our highest peaks. They are our destinies, they are our future. They are our intrinsic potential which has become actual.

    I am sure you will not have any anger in your hearts or any hatred for anyone, but just an understanding and a loving forgiveness.

    That is the only authentic prayer. And only this kind of prayerfulness can raise humanity to higher levels of consciousness.

    I have absolute inner certainty: they may have been able to poison my body, my nervous system, but they cannot destroy my consciousness, they cannot poison my being. And it was good that they have given me a chance to see myself beyond my body, beyond my mind.

    These seven weeks have been a fire test. Without your knowing you have always, each moment of these seven weeks, been a tremendous help to me. Without your love it would not have been possible for me to overcome the poison, because without your love there would be no need for me even to struggle. I am fulfilled and absolutely contented; I have arrived home. But I see you are stumbling, groping, and it will be very heartless and uncompassionate for me to leave you in this situation. I would like in all your lives a sunrise, the birds singing and the flowers opening. Other than that, I don’t have any reason to be here at all.

    Remember it: I am here for you.

    That remembrance will help you not to go astray. That remembrance will help you to be aware of the uncivilized world in which we are living, in this madhouse that we call humanity. It will go on reminding you that we have to give birth to a new man and to a new humanity.

    This is the tremendous challenge. Those who have guts and intelligence and a desire and a longing to touch the farthest stars… only those very few people have been able to understand me, have been able to become my fellow travelers. I don’t have any followers — I have only lovers and friends and fellow travelers.

    I would like you all to reach to the same beatitude, to the same blissfulness, to the same ecstasy that has become my very heartbeat. It is also the heartbeat of the whole universe.

    Osho, Jesus Crucified, This Time in Ronald Reagan’s America

  139. osho's letter says:

    To know the truth : Read osho’s letter above in his own words.

  140. Lokesh says:

    This was a very interesting thread with some great comments. I’d like to see a return to such themes.

  141. Lokesh says:

    Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness, although they are not tied to any particular disease and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and mental). However, they are of particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders and particularly in schizophrenia, paraphrenia, manic episodes of bipolar disorder, and psychotic depression.

  142. Lokesh says:

    Paraphrenia is characterized by the preoccupation with one or more semisystematized delusions

  143. prem anonymous says:

    I know one thing for sure… anyone who has been to the parking lot at a Grateful Dead concert is pretty clear that there is no way that Osho has “inhaled more than any other known nitrous oxide user.” I would bet money that I personally know plenty of people, perhaps myself included- who have inhaled more of it in one summer than he did in his whole life. Sure the dental room would have been a far out place to do it… he knew how to set up a room for a trippy time on nitrous – but I knew a bunch of kids who used to get 5 foot tanks of it and inhale it straight unmixed. Those parties went for days with the nitrous flowing nonstop. Honestly – we all did it and those parties went on for days. I know one kid who passed out with the tank to his lips for hours until I noticed him there almost pale blue and turned it off… etc. I also saw many older people at dead shows inhaling large doses of this stuff… good/bad/sin or no sin… whatever you have to say about it – its pretty clear to anyone who has experience with the stuff that it did not kill him. Personally I feel he was poisoned in American prisons… but that’s besides the main point – I have seen huge amounts of nitrous oxide inhaled straight… it does not do what happened to Osho’s body.

  144. garimo says:

    Lokesh,
    I had stalker a few years back… He seemed to have some some kind of chemical imbalance that would kick in around 2am. That’s about the time he’d start the phone calls or breaking into my house. He had the idea I could some how fix him and had to punish me because I wasn’t doing a very good job of it. Luckily for me I haven’t seen or heard from him since the last time he was arrested. Maybe he killed himself… it could have been me.

    Sorry to see you, (or anybody) has to be a target for Sufi’s imbalanced attentions.

    People sure are different.

  145. garimo says:

    >Was the stalker a drug crazed
    maybe- I don’t know
    > sannyasin
    no.
    >friend/lover?
    no.
    He was a crazy stalker.

    >WHAT KIND OF FUCKED UP PEOPLE ARE YOU!!
    Do you find yourself separated from people in general?

    >Geronimo did he punish you hard….
    The worst it got was a small cut on my neck before I knocked him out with a chunk of wood… then the police took him away again.

    you remind me of his ranting.

  146. garimo says:

    >I didn’t really ask for an explantion

    I know, actual relating to people and conversation requires some ability to focus on be rational.
    sorry to interfere with your ranting.

  147. Lokesh says:

    All that we are is the result of what we have thought. If a man speaks or acts with an evil thought, pain follows him. If a man speaks or acts with a pure thought, happiness follows him, like a shadow that never leaves him.
    Buddha

  148. Gandhi says:

    All those documents exists Parmatha. But there seems to be also an esoteric and an exoteric branch within the Osho sannyas scene. The exoterics are hiding all the documents. There is also an original report from a detective in London, who was sent to doctors in London to find out about the thalium poisoning.
    But my guess is that these facts will be eventually float back to the surface.
    And why do you hang on to this lunatic Sufi? He is destroying this site. I am off again……

  149. Lokesh says:

    A winner listens, a loser just waits until it is their turn to talk.

  150. shantam says:

    Let us see, as per your quotation, who is the winner or loser in the world of sannyas..

  151. prem bubbie says:

    certainly not you shantam… your mumblings just like sufi’s proves that….. delusional, delusional, delusional… if all of us were to live the life you seek for us, shantam, we would all end up like sufi. so kindly look yourself in the mirror and face the truth about your insane mind.

  152. prem bubbie says:

    as for Anand/ gandhi, you’ve destroyed this site along with the rest of the “catholics” and hindus long ago… pompous ass

  153. prem bubbie says:

    anywaay, humans are insane creatures to start, with the “crem de la crem ” inhabiting this blog.

  154. prem bubbie says:

    Parmartha, make up your mind already, what SN’s policy will be… censorship or open forum? you’ve left open old blogs for us looney tunes to continue to rant and rave… doesn’t make sense… your siesta is over, now get back to work and make a decision. “gee it’s good to be back home”- the beatles, “Back in the U.S.S.R”

  155. prem bubbie says:

    Lokes: I had a dream…”

  156. Gandhi says:

    Osho read 10 to 15 books per day, until his eyesight stopped him doing so in 1981. His library in Lao Tzu House has about 100,000 books and is considered the biggest private library worldwide.
    During that time Lokesh was drafting his Mind Bomb and stayed away from visiting India or the Osho Commune.
    Bubbie was chasing goats in Oregon at that time.

    Parmatha, I think you are raising an interesting issue, but
    you are following the wrong trail. And it is no secret that Osho worked on a small group of his close disciples in the dental room at the end of ’89. You should check details with your English dentist Deva Geet and his dental nurse Nityamo.

  157. Lokesh says:

    And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
    They Georgia’s always on my my my my my my my my my mind.

    What’s up Bubbie…you gonna do a Martin Luther King impersonation?

    Looks like the gang is beginning to reassemble. I missed you all terribly. Mark my words, the cuckoo will returneth, unable to live without the imaginary audience he thinks he is preaching to here on SN. I’m still not sure what he thought he was about. And thus some sort of control will have to be exerted by Lord Parmartha if he wishes his baby to continue in its most difunctional and lovable way.

  158. Lokesh says:

    Gandhi. I lived in Poona from 74 till 81. I can remember when Osho’s eyesight began to go, because he had to borrow my specs to look at some chicks charas during an energy darshan. Ah yes, those were the days. I can also recall the time that…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  159. prem bubbie says:

    …that Anand/Gandhi learned to give himself a blowjob-with condom of course…” here’s sperm in ur eye”, bucko. “Just friggin’ in the riggin’ cause there’s nothin’ else to do”- Sex Pistols-1978-”the Great Rock n Roll swindle”

  160. prem bubbie says:

    Where’s that Lawyer Ma from Rajneeshpuram? Sorry, i already forgot the name…. have you repented yet?… that lady is still living in fantasy land…. i noticed she said to shantam she didn’t read the postings on SN cause of the vile language, funny, then how would she know SN was full of vile, and negative postings if she didn’t read any of them? Once a lawyer, always a lawyer…. an a lawyer for sheela has to be at the top of her game…. You guys crack me up with the bullshit you try to pass as truth!!!

  161. prem bubbie says:

    I had a dream… Colonel Qaadaffi said: “dance and sing and be happy”… Actually, i awoke to the news on the telly and there he was, saying those exact words. didn’t the famous mystic, Meher Baba once say that? Or was it Osho? “When the world is running down, you make the best of what is still around”> The Police- 1980 now dance for me boy!!

  162. prem bubbie says:

    testing….

  163. Kavita says:

    Yes Loky . . me too missed all of you . . specially the ones who arent on FB . .

    wonder if Marty is ok . . miss u man . . :)

  164. Lokesh says:

    Important Announcement.

    “Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can’t help but cry. I mean I’d love to be skinny like that, but not with all those flies and death and stuff.”
    –Mariah Carey

  165. Kavita says:

    Latest News – Robert Bloch -The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on

  166. shantam prem says:

    When the whole of sannyasnews is under renovation, few mosquotes like Bubbie and few sannyasnews junkies like me have found the way to sneek in….
    Thanks god…there is no sufi yet, but to read this name Bubbie, i feel like vomiting…..Idiot will go on shitting as long as he can hide his face and identity…

  167. shantam prem says:

    Lokesh lived in Pune from 1974-1981, it means the man who has seen the movie for 15 minutes can write the review for the whole movie..

    Still..i find him much better than those who were watching the complete movie more than two three times, and yet speak about the climax as of it was an ad for Marlboro or Ganesh Beeri.

  168. Kavita says:

    wondering who can be there from 1931 – 2011? . . will have to check with some agency / who keeps tab on that
    . . Anthony Thomson are you listening ? knock knock . . :)

  169. Kavita says:

    Sorry missed the p . . hee hee . . :)

    Anthony Thompson . . can you please shed light on this question of shantam prem // 28 Feb, 2011 at 11:50 am
    . . if possible

  170. Kavita says:


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    . . :)

  171. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, I think the fact that you are beginning to realise it was a movie is a sign of progress.

  172. shantam prem says:

    Just because life is a movie or a leela, does it mean, it is a law of the jungle..
    The movie played in one´s bedroom can be for personal consumption but movie played on a big screen cannot have million and one endings..
    Million an done people can drive their vehicles on the road, but there is always a System, movie or no movie…

  173. Lokesh says:

    SHANTAM stars in his very own movie, ‘This is My Life’; produced by Maya Pictures, directed by Shantam,. starring Shantam, filmed by Shantam and of very little interest to anyone else besides Shantam. Coming to a SN cinema near you.
    Ted Leaveher of CNN says, ‘Save your money for the next Avatar movie.’

  174. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, what did Osho die from?

  175. shantam prem says:

    What happened to Osho´s body is a well documented history, who is pouring diesel in the garden of Osho..is a matter of further investigation…

    Sorry, it is not a matter of investigation, it is written all over the wall…and yet…

    I will ask, whether the body of Master is more worthy or His cause, His appeal… His spoken and unspoken gestures..?

  176. prem bubbie says:

    You really are a basket case, “shantam I singh” (remember that fake name you used not so long ago?) now, as i see it you have two choices, you can have shit thrown in your face, or sperm in your eye- what will it be? Both choices have already been discussed by you , on other blogs(don’t make me look for them boy, you’ll be asking for more trouble!)

  177. prem bubbie says:

    Kavita, you plumpy fox of a woman, nice to see you back… can i have your phone number? cheers sweet cheeks

  178. prem bubbie says:

    lokes- that mariah carey, is one genuine ding-dong… will someone please kidnap her and drop her off in the middle of Sudan….. for a suntan.

  179. shantam prem says:

    I must write something, as it is unfair to the sannyasnews when some masked fundamentalist has the last comment…

  180. Lokesh says:

    Yes, Shantam, vive la revolution!

  181. prem martyn says:

    i am currently away from my desk but if you would like to leave a message…..
    :)

    seems like we are living vicariously here through the past blogs…

    plus ca change plus c’est la meme chose…

    hello kavita….

    :)
    ……………………

    er thats it….

    kisses everyone
    m

  182. Kavita says:

    hmm its getting warm now . . :)

    Boobie . . you can call me on +919421035727 . . you skinny pig of a man . . hee hee

    Marty boy . . hi man . . nice to hear from u . .

    s’étonner tout va changer ici . . viennent ici, parfois. . son alésage sans toi . . quand nous le pouvons . .
    laissez-nous avoir du plaisir . . :)


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  183. shantam prem says:

    Sannyasins newly installed software thinks, inner revolution is all that is worth living for..
    And as i think, as long as one divides inner and outer, one thing is clear inner revolution has not taken place..
    So any kind of revolution most of the sannyasins have gone too old, though it is another fact to chase young chicks..Fox like cleverness has developed..Thanks Osho…

  184. Lokesh says:

    What is worth living for is life itself. If your life is in danger you will do what is needed in order to survive and the revolution will lose importance until you are out of danger. I find a lot of this inner revolution talk to be a hot air baloon ride for people who are not really living, or else why bother. The real revolution is to live now, so don’t make a fuss just jump on the bus.

  185. garimo says:

    “And as i think, as long as one divides inner and outer, one thing is clear inner revolution has not taken place..”

    Shantam,
    Have you ever sat and examined your own inner experience with your eyes closed?

    Or do you always keep your eyes open, looking around at others keeping your mind engaged with judging and comparing and complaining.

    What ideas have you taken from Osho’s talks and are applying to the life you are responsible for creating for yourself?

    Are you finding value in what you are about to do with your life today? Are you contributing to the well being of the people and world in what you do today? or are you waiting on the world and it’s people for your well being?

    you wrote: “So any kind of revolution most of the sannyasins have gone too old, though it is another fact to chase young chicks..Fox like cleverness has developed..”

    It’s no one else’s job to make your life meaning full.
    Why are you waiting for them?

  186. shantam prem says:

    what a mediocre answer Garimo. Are you trained as a public servent with lots of training into the new religiousness into old bottles.
    Seems like..

  187. shantam prem says:

    Just saw at facebook..

    Freedom Parrot
    Spiritual Story by Osho

    A man, a great man, a fighter for freedom was traveling in the mountains. He stayed in a caravanserai for the night. He was amazed that in the caravanserai there was a beautiful parrot in a golden cage, continually repeating “Freedom! Freedom!” And it was such a place that when the parrot repeated …the word “Freedom!” it would go on echoing in the valleys, in the mountains.

    The man thought: “I have seen many parrots, and I have thought they must want to be free from those cages… but I have never seen such a parrot whose whole day, from the morning to the evening when he goes to sleep, is spent in calling out for freedom.” He had an idea. In the middle of the night, when the owner was fast asleep, he got up and opened the door of the cage. He whispered to the parrot, “Now get out.”

    But he was very surprised that the parrot was clinging to the bars of the cage. He said to him again and again, “Have you forgotten about freedom? Just get out! The door is open and the owner is fast asleep; nobody will ever know. You just fly into the sky; the whole sky is yours.”

    But the parrot was clinging so deeply, so hard, that the man said, “What is the matter? Are you mad?” He tried to take the parrot out with his own hands, but the parrot started pecking at him, and at the same time he was shouting “Freedom! Freedom!” The valleys in the night echoed and re-echoed, but the man was also stubborn; he was a freedom fighter.

    He pulled the parrot out and threw him into the sky; and he was very satisfied, although his hand was hurt. The parrot had attacked him as forcefully as he could, but the man was immensely satisfied that he had made a soul free. He went to sleep.

    In the morning, as the man was waking up, he heart the parrot shouting, “Freedom! Freedom!” He thought perhaps the parrot must be sitting on a tree or on a rock. But when he came out, the parrot was sitting in the cage. The door was open………….♥

  188. shantam prem says:

    What ideas have you taken from Osho’s talks and are applying to the life you are responsible for creating for yourself?

    Are you finding value in what you are about to do with your life today? Are you contributing to the well being of the people and world in what you do today? or are you waiting on the world and it’s people for your well being?

    Garimo,every good act starts from one´s own foot steps..
    Share those great acts of contribution you are talking?
    Were you in Christchurch, to help people come out from their rubbles of earth quake or were you leading a dynamic in the homeless people´s shelter…

    Individual aparts, as we all can have our limitations..tell a one single act of social or humanistic contribution..Sannyas community has ever done?
    I am saying ever…

    Yes.i remember one.. when there was an earh quake in Latur Maharashtra, India in 1993, Osho commune International has contributed few lakhs of rupees in the relief trust..

  189. shantam prem says:

    Has someone seen Asshole Gaddafi´s latest interview at Abcnews.
    the power of bipolar mind and the psychology of the dictators who think they ae chosen few..without them country, vision religion cann´t flourish..

  190. garimo says:

    You wrote: “what a mediocre answer Garimo.”

    Where the fuck did I offer any answers? I asked direct questions about you.

    and to avoid any possibility of looking at the life you are creating for yourself… you pop your mind into more gibberish about far away things.

  191. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, you say, ‘what a mediocre answer Garimo.’
    To you perhaps, but I find his response right on the money.
    Then you Shantam, the judge of mediocre, begin your next comment with, ‘Just saw at facebook..’ Work it out.

    SN has returned to normal, it would seem, after the departure of the interloper. I’d take Shantam for company over Sufi any day of the week, but I still see Shantam as a gas bag.

    I think it is a mistake to view sannyasins as being part of some social organism. They are not. Sannyasins got together round Osho, but are in effect a group of individuals. Therfore to ask what sannyasins have done collectively for the world is for the main part besides the point. As individuals I know sannyasins who have social occupations that go from signing on at the dole to being highly skilled doctors. I believe sannyasins do their share of giving to humanity…but as individual people not as an organized group.
    Taking that into consideration, on another level sannyasins have affected the world in a positive way on a number of levels. One example would be that the art of hugging was spread into mainstream society (in part) by sannyasin example. These days it is normal for ordinary to exchange a hug, but once upon a time it was not quite so acceptable. Sannyasins had much to do with this and it is a very good thing. Change in the world often begins at a grass roots level and Osho and his sannyasins have helped bring positive change into the world. These days I see the idea of sannyas as being defunct. The times changed. Osho sowed the seeds and then left when the job was done. Sannyasins who want to play at organized religion are seeds that fell on barren ground.

  192. shantam prem says:

    So dear Garimo and Lokesh..what great contributions you have done individually to the human race..??
    Is that contribution if any is different than what billions of people have already done.
    after all, these billions of people cannot bask in the glory that they were the pubic hairs of a Master.. i mean living, fucking and meditating in the presence of Living Enlighnetd being..

  193. garimo says:

    “what great contributions you have done individually to the human race..??”

    I’ve learned the difference of who I am “in here” and howto work it… and the difference between all the billions of people “out there” that have nothing to do with what’s going on “in here”.

  194. shantam prem says:

    It seems like, dilusional personalites who could not become dictators became sannyasins, always thinking themselves better than those billions of people…

  195. garimo says:

    “It seems like, (observation) dilusional (judgment/speculation) personalites who could not (speculation) become dictators (speculation) became sannyasins, (speculation) always (speculation) thinking themselves(speculaltion) better(judgment) than those billions of people(speculation)…

  196. garimo says:

    I (observation) am thinking (observation) you may be a moron(judgment)

  197. garimo says:

    See?… I’ve learned the difference between observations and judgments.

  198. shantam prem says:

    As a matter of clarity, i am not in the habit of judging the individuals..unless they are some kind of big bosses..
    So the above post is not a personal comment for garimo but for the collective sannyas psychology..

    Few examples of collective sannyas psycholgy..not a single one will accept that he/she is a part of big tree nothing more than a leaf or a branch…
    Thanks God leaves on the trees in the ashram are not screaming yearafter year, I am individual..i am individual..
    Collective sannyas uses the term Existance, but in the same way as God was used once..
    Collective sannyas never claims any one of them or their family or their pets ever die..they leave the body…

    And most of these people use the Symbol Om on coffins, the way once Cross was used..
    and almost all of them carry some esoteric indian name even though their speaking and thinking is very much dicatated by the trends of their culture and countries..Like everybody else..
    and they all hate to be mixed with everybody else…

  199. prem bubbie says:

    “… i am not in the habit of judging individuals… unless they are some kind of big bosses…” well, Shantam I Singh, it seems you judge us, to be some kind of big bosses, yes, you are a wind bag, full of noxious and flammable gases… it would be a pleasure to light up a smoke within your sphere of exhaust gases… BOOM!!! the first Sikh to land on the moon(self-propelled too!) That above statement of yours puts to rest any doubt that you’re simply a delusional imbecile. A reservation has been made for you at the Oregon Mental institute in salem, oregon.. Home of “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”… RSVP requested.

  200. prem martyn says:

    thought for the day….

    If i ‘thought’ that being aware of my motivesetc etc is similar to the pure operating being of my essence,then i would sleep easy at night….
    guess what .?. i suspect it isn’t .. and therefore i toss and turn..or wobble in zen terms…without escape.. in the day and night….

    occupying myself with anything at all ..until sickness will take me away…
    whats the investment in osho meditation etc etc?.. that we could stop the rot of personal investments and their alienating histories….and befriend life…

    but you know whats missing in the ‘earnestness’…its the absurd and the ridiculous sense of oneself….to take the whole bucket load with a pinch of salt…(doesn’t sit lightly across the soul-searching diaspora of osho ists… ..have a look at all the websites)
    look at sufi and how ‘religion’ and its idioms got him by the balls without a single self deflating remark..not very untypical of sannyassins when holding each other to account.. or growing together…not very at all.. how many people do you know who espouse their identity with hubris and uncomical psychowaffle…
    at your /my expense.. for hours ,days, weeks, years on end…groups, meetings ,travelling the world in seeking, latest meditational fads etc etc…

    take that that last sentence of mine, yes do, which in itself is worthy of piss taking..please do…

    and ….. the lightness of being becomes another earnest search.. and again the sheer imbecile comedy of one’s agony becomes repackaged in religion and its light giving powers…. which i suggest is not that easy to find with earnestness…

    how come the sense of personal absurdity and self mockery remains patently absent in religious circles…and its leaders.. even its music becomes how can i say this. nicely? mmm.. venerational…

    i guess ‘enlightenment’ is a bit too final to really subject itself to the mortality of reducing humour, without having a point to confer…( as you can read between the lines,.. i’ll take laurel and hardy over meditating for a living any day..)

    and just a thought from osho’s time in jail and his letter.. it all fits with the fragile messiah thing…

    of course he(osh) was a beauty and maybe ‘they’ want to kill all of us ,or at least our intelligent love.. as he said …
    but then its no longer a comedy.. its politics… and well its downhill all the way…..
    he wanted to stop the world .. like others before him,
    mmm…nice very good…but your likely to get a bomb up the bum if you really take on the world 121..if thats what you want get ready for the opposition…and dont complain too loudly that its (life/oregon police etc etc ) is unfair,.. its meant to be .. its in the script…

    anyway..
    but for us lesser mortals… time to stop playing third rate awareness games with a mind and heart that barely can get a good nights rest without becoming utterly unconscious for 8 hours…

    we have little room for manoeuvre in choosing anything much, so lets make this great white effulgent light a little less blinding, and a bit more user friendly…and less earnest and more useful…

    and no , no-one needs my tepid ‘advice’.. i’m just airing some brain neurons for the night….

    kiss kiss hugs nite nite..

    and thanks to parmartha and dharmen for encouraging us to not only talk about the past.. but to actually relive it again in old blogs..from yesteryear..
    ..a masterstroke
    :)

  201. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, you enquire, ‘Lokesh..what great contributions you have done individually to the human race..??’
    I’m not bothered by the need to make ‘great contributions’. I prefer small ones. A good example would be my last book. A young man, maybe eighteen or nineteen, came up to me the other day and asked, ‘You are Luke Mitchell, aren’t you?’
    I said, ‘Yes. Why?’
    He replied, ‘I just finished your new book?’
    I said, ‘And?’
    He said, ‘I thought it was fantastic?’
    That small comment made the three and a half years that I spent writing that book wortwhile.’

    I am an artist. I create unique things, not knowing if anyone will want to pay me for what I do. It can feel like a very insecure lifestyle at times but that is counter-balanced by the fact that I love doing what I do.

    Which brings me to my point, Shantam. You will have heard what I will now write before, but you have obviously not understood it. Within this simple statement is contained one of the secrets to enjoying a wonderful life.
    ‘The true yogi looks not to the fruits of his actions.’

  202. prem bubbie says:

    P.M. i was so saddened when Warner Bros. took the Looney tunes cartoons(bugs Bunny, Elmer and Tweety) off the air several years ago. they came back last year for a week of viewing and i managed to save all the episodes i could on my DVR. Talk about true insanity, yet funny!!! yes, give me comedy on film or cartoons any day over stupid arcane rituals including meditations no matter from what guru, to remind me of myself. speaking of comedy, where is that “Tears of a clown” shantam? There’s a pie in the eye waiting for you.

  203. prem bubbie says:

    Lokes and Co.- if you can, please watch tonight’s(Tuesday’s) Piers Morgan’s show on CNN, the interview with film producer(The King’s Speech) Harvey Weinstein- first half-hour and notice his comments towards the end, about his new movie about Palestinias and Jewish conflict set to premier later this month in theatres. A very gutsy and risk taking fellow, this planet needs more guys like him… he’s got a lotta balls!!!

  204. Kavita says:

    Shantam . . you have been very honest & every honest person has one secret . . whats yours . . now dont you ask me the same question . . as you need to ask a unique question . . which lam doubtful but hope lam wrong . . at least this time . . and l shall answer it in utmost honesty . . hee hee . . :)

    and the rest of u dare not ask me this question . . as Iam not answerable to any-body . . hee hee . . :)


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  205. Lokesh says:

    It is not the full moon.

  206. Kavita says:

    cudnt help it . . hee hee . . :)

  207. shantam prem says:

    Oh Kavita….It is not very easy for me to keep the secrets..but sometime..life is like this…
    Mini secrets, mini cheatings…
    like many times in the early days of ashram, i have eaten paneer pakoras or without paying while working in Zorba or have crossed a little less money on the vouchers.
    As of now, i am earning two hundred Euros per month in black while working with Bhaskar´s commune people..

  208. shantam prem says:

    It seems collective Osho sannyas movement is living a delusional life, deeply beliving, world is drowning in an Ocean of sleepiness and because sannyasins have Osho´s discourses and photos in their smartphones and facebook pages, therefore they are awake to welcome the angels of divinty…
    I presume Osho could say, ” My foot”!

  209. Kavita says:

    l was jus wondering if you could write your own love affair / whatever you want / need to call . . to go beyond this delusional life . . after l wrote mine here / internet . . l have felt kinda cleansed . . ofcourse it gives me a lot of clarity that life is an illusion & ofcourse l need to live in a house of my own to really injoy this illusion without any negativity . . this is my story . . jus sharing . . hee hee . . :)

  210. prem martyn says:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/03/02/scotus.westboro.church/index.html?iref=NS1

    a ‘negative ‘protest outside any osho centre would be unthinkable…. or would it… :)

    freedom of speech by anti-gay-military, right wing ‘theists’ ….mmmm funky and original…!

    who would you side with… the families of military gays who were in battle against the towel heads with the civilian dead outnumbering dead towel heads by about 4-1 ..and us military deaths by suicide back home now outnumbering those fallen in battle,,,,.or the looney tunes theists in the stars and stripes…

    its great that its discussed in the open and in court…
    with a preference for freedom of speech..
    though when will the navajo indians get a chance to protest for the occupation of their lands by white men …

    .looks like the script for a film with steve martin….
    i must ring some centre leader and tell them how offensive their straight laced version of osho is to al lof us unrefined rebels.. who swear a lot…

    toodle ooo

  211. shantam prem says:

    Martyn, the protest outside 17; koregaon Park by the multi national sannyasins is a rare possibilty….
    If it happens and the wounds are brought in the air will be an healthy sign, but it will ever happen during the life time of boss, i doubt…
    WHy it is so, is a matter of discussion but one point is, when was the last time sannyasins joined any protest movement any where in the world….
    full of false vanity is the hellmark of Sannyas..

  212. prem martyn says:

    well i walked around in my underpants in central pamplona spain two years ago surrounded by 2000 topless girls and military police whilst i was insulting the local catholic fascists with the lipstick writing on my chest ‘ christ wouldn’t love you’ .. …yes it was the anti bull run parade….
    i recommend it if you likeall sorts of titties, vegetarians , dislike catholic fascists and find confused military police a pleasant sight…
    beats sitting on cushions and humming for world peace
    …(and no you can’t take your knickers off )

  213. prem bubbie says:

    Only your underpants, have you gone soft P.M.? with all of your pent up rage against fascist meat eaters i would have thought you would have said “fuck it” and let your balls drop. were you afraid of someone hurling spanish tomatoes and hitting your vegan balls sack? with regards to the our supreme court decision today affirming free speech rights(unlike some on SN like shantam who thinks free speech ends when criticism about osho and sannyas(ins) begins), even the fascist wing on the court recognized vicious BUT pointed insults even at an event like a funeral is protected by our constitution. i watched the father of the soldier whose funeral was the subject of the lawsuit comment today… the guy just doesn’t get it, at all… one commentator smartly said that it’s now up to people to hold counter protests to those funeral protesters and make them look like idiots and psychotics. i think those who were against the protesters wanted an easy way out and were too afraid or lazy to counter protest…. they wanted the gov’t to do something and it was really up to them to do it…. a lazy and pussy’s guide to protecting one’s own freedom… the nanny state lives!!!

  214. prem bubbie says:

    march 1, 8:06pm, shantam’s post- very interesting… you describe yourself and many sannyasins. those of the past and present holding leadership positions, possibly osho himself… if you criticize Khadaffi, why not sannyas in general/ say, Khadaffi’s speeches.. where they written by you? and then Faxed over , maybe FedExed? his hours of incoherent mumbling, going off the deep end, his indecipherable metaphors… common shantam i. singh… i won’t tell.

  215. Kavita says:

    The one protest which happened when I was around was the podium protest by Neelam & Tathagath . . l happened to be in my village residence
    ( 21 kms from poona ) & came to know of it through sannyassin friends Jaideep & Utsav from Delhi who were driving down on invitation from N&T . . and these friends are professional photographers . . there were hardly any protestors . . ofcourse l didnt go for it . . as l was very clear that l came to poona to see my visiting friends . . l went with them to the press . . to deliver the photos after their shoot . . & Kirti called to say to them have the photos which have more people . . & then J & U asked me to come for dinner to Neelam’s place . . l was reluctant but then they both insisted . . and l landed up there . . there were a few friends there . .and Priya . . Neelam’s daughter said to me the localites are scared . . lt wasnt that at all in my case . . and l said to Kirti . . ” Swamiji you guys should have not left the ashram in the first place ” . . as l felt once lam out of a the place . . if there are any changes I dont qualify for any protest . . ofcourse l didnt / dont expect anyone to have my view . . these guys didnt expect this from somebody who was having diner at their place . . l mean that was the energy l got . . so l along with Jaideep & Utsav . . left for my village residence soon enough . . l guess its gossip / history / illusion . . now . . jus sharing . . chareveti chareveti . . :)


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  216. Kavita says:

    need to share this with all of you . . :)


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    :)

  218. Lokesh says:

    The turkey is out. Shantam is Colonel Kaddafi……aieeeeeegh!

  219. Kavita says:

    Locky . . hee hee . . a little too late . . for the turkey . . l personally would love an easter bunny . . or perhaps an egg . . if given a choice . . wondering if we can have any choices without that god forsaken awareness . . :)

  220. prem martyn says:

    i like your reply comments, bubbie…right on the button..with that freedom of speech thingy
    .. anyhow how did you know i’ve got softer over the years…! and not in all the right places….i had some photos without my knickers on , but they came back from the printers underdeveloped and over exposed….

    kavita…is there such a malaise as too much property and plenty of cash… ive never suffered from that though the symptoms are quite pleasant as i understand …..there’s no hope of recovery….many of the older sannyassins are suffering this burden nowadays… alas i only suffer from acute envy…im sure you have a cute something or other…can i send you my photos ?
    :)

  221. Kavita says:

    marty boy . . l wouldnt mind photos of you . . maybe you can share your many Benjamin Franklins too . . l would have prefered few Grover Cleveland though but l read somewhere that they stopped printing & circulating them
    . . & love to all those old sannyasin sufferers & all . .
    my sympathies if they can be of any help to you for your envy . . & a hug . . :)

  222. Lokesh says:

    Martyn, why be stingy with your photos? Send them to Hello magazine for the world to see…who knows maybe you could make some dough dough.

  223. prem martyn says:

    lokesh surely you mean Hugs magazine….you know the photos of sannyassins around the world holding something of value… in kavita’s case her wallet…and in my case my ermm jewellery

    :)

  224. prem martyn says:

    currently listening to fascinating archives for thespians.
    BBC…’in our time’ with extended store of themes discussed..from a to z

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00548yy

  225. Lokesh says:

    Will check link now on a rainy Spanish afternoon.

  226. Kavita says:

    sannyasnews . . u managed to get sufi’s post scrapped
    . . the context of the my replies have lost its relevence . . guess l was the only one most responding & replying to him . .so l shall have to pay the brunt for it . . lam sure it must have been a task to that . . can you please respond in writing . . to this post . . thanx . . :)

  227. Kavita says:

    rewriting : Kavita // 3 Mar, 2011 at 3:12 pm : sannyasnews . . u managed to get sufi’s post scrapped
    . . the context of my replies have lost its relevence . . guess l was the only one most responding & replying to him . .so l shall have to pay the brunt for it . . lam sure it must have been a task to do that . . can you please respond in writing . . to this post . . thanx . . :)

  228. sannyasnews says:

    Sorry about that Kavita, didn’t know I’d left posts that are now out of context. You can edit or remove them by loging in and going to site admin if you wish.

  229. Kavita says:

    this post below . . l received on my email id . . l need to share with you all . . sufi managed to create a commotion even after leaving . . is he omnipresent . . :)

    Hi Kavita,
    Yes, sufi had to go. Sorry about your posts losing context. I tried to delete some that only concerned sufi but must have left some.

    Love
    Dharmen
    Sannyasnews

  230. Kavita says:

    thanx sn . . but l shall do that . .some other time if & when l feel like it . . lam glad that atleast . . from this moment we can be as transparent as possible . . :)

  231. shantam prem says:

    Dharman, when you guys are opening the complete site with new security check measures?

  232. Lokesh says:

    Will we have to pass through a metal detector before posting comments? Will there be strip searches? What about fingers up the bum? Will there be a no-fly zone over SN. These are all questions that need to be addressed.

  233. shantam prem says:

    I think..just like facebook sturcture is needed, nothing more or less…
    Those who want to express themselves must be honest enough to show their face….ugly or beautiful…

    Is it too much?

    No one asks Bubbie kinds to be courageous and trasparent enough to show their home, car garden etc. the way Lokesh has done in his youtube video..

  234. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, a metal detector is a must.

  235. sannyasnews says:

    Shantam new facilities are on the way – next few days. Yes logins and registrations, all that stuff but it’ll be worth it.

  236. prem martyn says:

    can i buy swearing credits ?
    sooth saying top ups for exploding expletives for dead gurus ?

  237. prem martyn says:

    or will it be like the asterix comics, where the egyptians swear in hieroglyophs ?

  238. Lokesh says:

    No sannyasin website is complete without swearing.

  239. shantam says:

    So Lokesh, you want that masked guy Sufi back?

  240. shantam says:

    Yesterday Gadaffi was speaking for three hours before his faithful people in a hall. I think the energy in the room, the aura was as if OSho sannyasins leading hypnosis, massage, rebalnacing, Tantra, medittaion camps etc. are joined together for an important meeting. So peaceful, so calm so elitist..as if there is no problem as if Enlighenment is there birth right..and they will have it..now in this life…

  241. Lokesh says:

    Shantam you say, ‘As if Enlighenment is there birth right..and they will have it..now in this life’
    You are being cynical here and completely missing the point that enlightenment is everyone’s birthright.

    You ask, ‘So Lokesh, you want that masked guy Sufi back?’
    This question is so dumb it does not deserve an answer.

  242. prem bubbie says:

    lokes: i don’t see how Mr. mumbles can answer that question. and btw mr. mumbles, what the fuck were you talking about in your last post?- you’ll need to consult with Col. Cuddles Khaddaffi first. kudos for your speech writing (see yahoo news, about the 6th mass extinction is now underway, with great help from the likes of shantam and co.)

  243. garimo says:

    >This question is so dumb it does not deserve an answer.

    some of the answers aren’t doing so well either.

  244. garimo says:

    I’m having a hard time understanding let alone relating to much of what shantam goes on about.

    but it’s okay I always have things to do that I get distracted from doing when playing with my computer.

  245. Kavita says:

    personally l dont mind sufi . . there is always a chance of a flip . . & we did back out when we couldnt take it . . as l feel each one has a right to their expression . . arent we all swearing some times & also bearing with shantam . . all this while . . & continue to . . in that sense we are bearing with eachother . . why single out sufi / anyone . . hee hee . . :)


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  246. Lokesh says:

    I don’t think there is ground for comparing Sufi to Shantam, Kavita. I noticed that you enjoyed playing with Sufi at times and don’t have a problem with that. The thing is that Sufi is prone to ranting about lots of different subjects that people like myself are not in the least bit interested in.
    I’d choose Shantam over Sufi any day of the week because he has heart. Sufi has a heart also but unfortunately, in my opinion, it has been contaminated by too much book knowledge and not enough life experience.
    I can remember Osho telling a story about Gurdieff and how he said that if a person is very good at doing something well, even if just making a cup of coffee, he could hold a conversation with that person. Sufi only seems to be good at two things: talking nonsense and making a nuisance of himself. Unfortunately those are two things that hinder communication.
    Osho taught love and I feel Shantam understands that. Sufi does not. He has an agenda to destroy what he sees as bullshit ,while totally unaware of his own bullshit and thus his crusade destroys everything including the good and creative things.
    It was a good experiment to let Sufi do his thing on SN but it had to stop because all the man was looking for was an emotional reaction providing him with an excuse to vent. This is not the way to promote healthy dialogue, something which Sufi is not really interested in, even though he might pretend to be. Sufi was on a monologue. Shantam is also sometimes but behind it beats a healthy heart. Whereas Sufi has a troubled heart.

  247. Kavita says:

    Yes . . what you say is also true Lokesh . . l need to express my freshest feeling too . . :)

    thanx Sannyas news . . l have registered & logged on to your blog . . :)

  248. Kavita says:

    and sannyasnews . . how can l change the picture u put of me on the dash board . . or do l have to make do with whatever you guys dish out ? . . :)

  249. Kavita says:

    Dharmen / sannyasnews . . the posts below are the ones I would like to be deleted . .
    I couldnt manage to delete them could you please delete these . . for me . .
    at the earliest / when time permits
    – Love Kavita

    Dictatorships Old and New
    Posted on February 6th, 2011 by sannyasnews

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    Krishna Prem meets Osho for the first time
    Posted on February 9th, 2011 by sannyasnews
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    Thank u . . :)

  250. sannyasnews says:

    Kavita, comments listed above now gone. The pic that shows in the dashboard cannot at the moment be changed (not easily anyway) its something left over from a test we ran. In a few days there will be some changes to the format of sannyasnews and you will be able to assign yourself your own choice of picture.

  251. Kavita says:

    thanx dear . . a sigh of relief . . :)

    this one for all of us

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  252. Lokesh says:

    ‘A hunka hunka burning love.’ Funny!

  253. prem martyn says:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/21/egypt.child.facebook/index.html
    ..

    i will call myself ‘swami sannyasnews unmasked’ then in future in honour of shantams relentless campaign to be really er virtuallly truthful…

    hot news
    latest addition to sannyas speak dictionary…

    hey Ma/ Swami how do you feel in 3D?
    Whats your identity on sannyasnews?
    Do you fancy some virtual hugging?
    I have an online avatar..with big features
    What are you doing after the blog?
    Do you like my profile?
    Of course i love you but you know its not real..
    Of course i’m jealous ,i clicked on her first.

    Truth Is… having a real identity in Oshocyberland ( 300 credits , paypal accepted )
    I ‘ve been watching others thoughts all day.. and i like yours..

    and lastly…
    Any chance of a shag?.. ( Technical problems with that one)

  254. prem martyn says:

    message from osho devotees overheard somewhere in Spike Milligan’s Pune military spiritual cantonement …

    Right, lad’s. ..wait for it.. wait for it…

    Attention..!! ..Spiritual directive number 275

    Thou shalt wear a funny red robe to look like an idiot…

    Thou shalt ascribe to oneself all manner of potentially useless behaviour

    Thou shalt not use the word C@Nt when describing matters of universal worthiness and love,

    okay lads dismissed…

    ( and if you don’t know who spike milligan was .. ask the editors.. you’ll be surprised just how close we were to the divine clown in north london ! )

    :)

  255. prem martyn says:

    the issue with sufi type bloggers or or any other compulsive stereotype here to be found is…. utterly totally completely endemic of sannyassoles everywhere.. and particularly the priesthood (which is actually a worse form)

    unable and unwilling to be self evident / self declaring when called to account.. endless humourless catch me if you can dissolved into spiritual humbuggery.. ( hiding behind dead gurus names etc etc) and heightened sensitivity blah blah…

    like saying ‘osho’ is enough.. or going to discourse like a space trekky cadet..

    so, 1… its full of hidden agenda that looks for a fight…etc etc

    2…it takes up your time and personal life at your expense for their benefit..
    and 3
    its humourlessly compulsive.., check out how many paying therapists/healers/ meditational insight organizers/ neo osho type self enlightened ones can’t take the piss out of themselves.. its a useful common denominator i find at least when its NEVER EVER heard…

    why do i post these things here again… because i hope someone out there in mongolia or estonia might find it helpful that rhumans are able to do both…
    both develop and evolve and also be absurd…

    to be in the osho world .. but not of it…

    just like i and others have done with the real world and all its lost nasty stupidities..
    and to prove there is life beyond and within any corporate identity.. you just need the cojones..

    this blog should go way beyond cyberspace…. in my dreams .. in my dreams…

    :)

  256. Lokesh says:

    Is the ‘importance of nonsense’ blog or am I on the wrong page?

  257. Kavita says:

    ya lokesh you right . . l did write one post on ‘ running in circles ‘ . . but marty boy . . for some reason needs to hang around here . . :)

  258. prem martyn says:

    nonsense…is the way, the truth ….and the… hello what taste is blue…and how do you say fish without a vowel…

    fshhhhh

    :)

  259. Kavita says:

    l dont know any words without a vowel . . martyboy shhhhhh :)

  260. prem martyn says:

    just saw the oscar winning ‘the kings speech’ film where king george has to overcome his stammer and repeats ‘fuck’ with his speech therapist..

    dharmen take note

    i may have a turettes episode soon re our beloved master…

  261. prem martyn says:

    he was a total and utter ..

    ccccc

    caaaaa ….
    kkcaaaaa…

    kkkkkcuuuuuuu… oouu

    ….
    kkkkaaaa…

    tt.ttttt……tt…. nnnnnnn ttttt
    kkaaaaaaa

    oh blast blast blast damn blast…

    i just cant handle vowels and consonants at the same time

  262. prem martyn says:

    kavita .. i’m not hanging around there..

    i’m hanging around here..

    its different .. and i can make coffee whilst blogging…

    its like being out in the world whilst being inside really..
    quite safe and interactive at the same time…

    i wish i could be bothered to set up some video blogging photo website….but i can’t be bothered….i was thinking of calling it …oshopirates.org

    and as i said i’m too poor…plenty of time not enough money…and i hate working really really hate working really really really really…..? and thats because either i am or proto capitalist life is …shit..
    …the votes are being counted

  263. Lokesh says:

    Ehm….du…du…du does this mean we have to be in the blog but not o..o…o…of it?

  264. shantam says:

    Lokesh, i think nobody will disagree about the fact that enlighenment is everybody´s birth right…
    though i think it does not mean every body who has a social security number should get this thin enlighenment as NHS.

    Is there a single highway for everybody to pass this boarder check post or everybody has to create their own path…
    In the case of later, than there is no need to preach a single way.. or do you think Lokesh people who are religious types will be kicked aside by the neo rich breed of assertive meditators?

  265. garimo says:

    Yes Lokesh,
    Inquiring Minds want to know. We need to know.
    What really are your concerns about the abuses of the neo rich assertive meditators, and how will their effect on the poor and powerless religious types reflect in your life path?

  266. prem martyn says:

    i feel like doing a sufi…
    here goes…

    you are all fools under my control i met sheela and the sufi master of masters and he said that the number 12 plus two is why osho lied.. check this link
    http://www.loonynignogstowelheads

  267. prem martyn says:

    and this one ww.loopynognogsheadtowels with drums
    haha see !!!!! its all 12 !!
    im just sharing …whats your problem big boots in your toilet ..gettit no ?? I am the gorilla and stronger and i can type forever pussies .. if you really want to know what osho said ask me i read all his books in jail…i knew his mother and brothers they all said i was right…
    white pussies hahahaha

  268. prem bubbie says:

    it’s seems we now know who “sufi” really was all of this time- Prem martyn while he was off his medications…. Dharmen- time to erase this guy too!!!

  269. prem bubbie says:

    Lokes: i’m a bit surprised that you think shantam is sincere and has a big heart… this guy has been a bullshitter since i’ve been posting, i’ve quoted many of his posts.. this one should give you true insight to the man… “Do your osho meditations, but trust in jesus”. what you call being consistent, is what i call obsessive compulsive, he and Swami detective(prem abhay), obsessed with The Resort’s insanity, shantam’s ragging on people not using their “real” names.. he’s been at this for several years now…using at least three different alias’…..Shantam’s just as delusional as Sufi(Prem Martyn), at least that guy is out front with his insanity, shantam goes on like a chameleon, morph’s into strange colors and postures, fooling others into believing he’s some sort of sannyas do good-er, now sadly you’ve jumped on his wagon train. say, sufi(Prem martyn) no need to hide anymore come on back!!!

  270. Kavita says:

    Hey Locky . . one can be out of it / in it but can opt for not to be for it / against it . . ofcourse the choices appear but THAT is choiceless . . whadya say Marty boy . . and l didnt know you travel star trek style between Birmingham & Santa Cruz . . wondering what you need the dough for . . hee hee . . :)

  271. prem martyn says:

    i’m sorry i/we cannot contribute to this blog as we are overcome by sensitivity in doing Osho’s work..
    love
    veeresh
    amrito
    arun
    keerti
    the international federation of sexologists
    the prime minister of nepal
    tyohar
    and rajneesh

    love,
    and ps we think you are all
    kkkk aaaa
    ccccc…….

    love
    oh sorry we said that already

    still ,we are in a highly sensitized state so sometimes shit happens…like a ten year court case…costing millions

    love

    ps kavita apparently writing sentences without ‘ hee hee’ is not your forte.. where did you learn english ?

    at shree hee hees school of english ?

    love….c@pyright osho love federation… for the production of otherwise missing love on the planet
    love
    …..
    okay, thats enough love ,pm,
    (the editors sn.)

    love
    the editors

    hee hee

  272. prem martyn says:

    and i can type also in the style of a cake eating seeker from totnes
    here goes

    mmm yes i really feel that moving money into property was the best thing i ever did for my spirituality.. i’m off to Pune next week for six months to increase my awareness and sensitivity…

    nice cake,

    love

  273. Lokesh says:

    Bubbie, you say, ‘Lokes: i’m a bit surprised that you think shantam is sincere and has a big heart…

    Man, did I say that? That’s the problem with E. You see the good in everyone and think they are your brothers and sisters, but when you come down you realise you’ve been away with the little peepul.

    Martyn, great Sufi impersonation. Very convincing. I definitely felt challenged.

    Kavita, sometimes you are too deep for me. I am a simple man.

  274. Kavita says:

    Loky . . your simplicity is so deep that l sink in it . . :)

    Ya l guess you might be rite about the school Marty boy . . are you KP in disguise ? . . hee hee . . :)

  275. Kavita says:

    the flowering cactus faded away into the earth . . even in spring it couldnt blossom . . this poem of Rumi l dedicate to it . . :)

    I died from minerality and became vegetable;
    And From vegetativeness I died and became animal.
    I died from animality and became man.
    Then why fear disappearance through death?
    Next time I shall die
    Bringing forth wings and feathers like angels;
    After that, soaring higher than angels -
    What you cannot imagine,
    I shall be that

  276. Lokesh says:

    Ehm…anything you say, Kavita.

  277. shantam says:

    Some masked guy Bubbie has found out another masked guy Sufi in prem Martyn.
    Seems like few bluffers are hell bent to befool others and themselves..

    So i am curious how the new system of sannyasnews will work out..

    Sannyasins or no sannyasins, humanity has got some orderly system because of close circuit Cameras installed on strategic positions, because of them people like Bubbie can not pee on the railway platforms or on the display counter of super stores…

  278. prem bubbie says:

    Shant’s: I NEVER pee on railway platforms, only between railway cars!!! some fortunate fellow might find enlightenment upon feeling the first drops of my dew…. so, what happened to you?

  279. prem bubbie says:

    “… closed circuit cameras in strategic positions” Are you filming your sexual exploits again, shants?

  280. prem martyn says:

    in a return to our roving reporters from the sannyass front-line we bring you this report from swami john simpson of the bbc international desk…

    somewher on the arab front….
    sound of echoing gunshots

    JS .”.i am here.. takka takka ..at the bunker of Veeresh al Gaddafi… interviewing him in what seems like the final days of his Regime…er community…

    boomm takka takka… fshhhhhh fshhhh

    Veeresh Gaddafi: …Aklaba bubba lalabbaallhi…. Haylo iihh John… Welcomes to my bung hole in Egmond an Tripoli…See everything is lovelies here…no problems..

    Boom ting tingg- B …OOOOOOOOM -

    JS;: ahh yes i was hoping to ask you Mr President what are all those noises….

    VG :I told my peoples to.. laughs.. dances and celebrates.. they are doing this.. oh yes very muchly… you listens Johns..and please call me Hubbly Bubbly as all my wives do…each one a hookah….

    JS (bbc0.. Ah yes Bubbly Hubbie.. it sounds to me like gunfire and explosions…could it be that some people oppose your version of celebrating mr veeresh al gaddafi bubbly hubbie ?

    VG : ( chortling to himself through clenched teeth) .listen…Johns from the BBC ….y…ou understands nothings… haha…all my peoples loves me.. anyone else is on drugs, pills …

    JS: Hookahs?

    VG:Yes yes..we have those downstairs in the basement ask for Ma Fifi de Laugharsya…she’s open all hours..

    JS No I meant pipes, smoking..

    VG: Yes okay i smoke sometimes but here in Egmond an Tripoli it is legal …only a small amount.. about 4kg a day.. but i’m not hookahed i do it because of love and because..

    JS: ..erm your people love you?

    VG :Yes, yes… they all love me..anyone who doesn’t is a hookah..

    JS: oh a hubbly bubbly ?

    VG: No No .iam not a pipe I am a bubbly hubbie..look Johns..They are just working through their stuffs….teenage angst against authority.. and i am nobody.. I have no authority..everyone here is equal except….

    JS ..for you…and ..

    VG : anyone who has an authority trip..it is natural..all my people love me.. i have no power.. all the committees oversee the affairs of my kingdom.. er commune..

    JS. Some people complain that you put complete arseholes in charge of your communities..and take advantage of others who wish to believe your assertion that you have no authority…usually the very young and naive…half the age of most therapists…

    VG :Yes john what you have.. is… an authority trip la illahh ill osho…

    JS : and that they are cured by giving you lots of money for weekends and trainings..in effect that you..

    VG:..have them by the bollocks? no no that is the naked marathon training.. not the same you must book for that separately…

    JS: ..yes, i suppose i don’t really know how to love or hug or shout or listen to complete arseholes in charge of your insaniversity intimidation parlours..yes yes colonel veereshi gotolaffi… its seems so right when you explain it…

    takka boomm aiieeeeeee
    aiieeeee ( sound of approaching running boots and machine gunfire…)

    VG: everybody loves me see? !Everybody loves osho.. nobody has problem okdokey?

    takka takka ding piiingg boommm

    JS :so i suppose you would reject the facial similarities between you and your brother in Libya

    VG : hey man toke on this ..puff …whaa mm just some extra strong oranjeboom boom happenin man.. libya? whoa he my brother .. everybody… pufff pufff choke whheezze coughhh.. yeah okay maybe he also working class git from the bronx taking money off de rich kids..you say working class thuggy git in england swami simpson ??

    JS: yes i suppose we do .. I really suppose we do..
    boooomm

    BOOMMMMMMM
    end of tape interview….

  281. Lokesh says:

    Great interview from the front line there. Fascinaating stuff and can’t wait till the next show.

    Bubbie peeing on the counters of superstores….whatever next. Shantam is back on form….the interloper having disappeared from this cutting edge frontline blog. Some of the sharpest minds of the twenty-first century…..BC….gathered together in one place…absolutely astonishing.
    Alright for some….but some of us deadbeat artists have to work. Here am I sweating over a hot paintbrush in the depths of Spanish winter.

  282. prem bubbie says:

    “Sweating over a hot paintbrush…” lokes, can we here on SN see your masterpiece when finished? but shants’ takes the title as “the Vincent Van Gogh” of prose!!! even sufi runs a distant second, yes, P.M> I mean you… quite unimpressed with that last post of yours…. oh well… Shantam I. singh, where are you? speak to me baby!!!

  283. prem bubbie says:

    Some of Shantam’s alias… Shantam i singh; Shantam Prem; shanatm; Singh Shantam Singh. That last one is actually his new handle.

  284. Lokesh says:

    Full speed ahead, hop-digity.

  285. prem martyn says:

    bubbie if you rearrange all the words i used you can make your very own masterpiece from the comfort of your wheelchair…

    you can rearrange words can’t you ?

    try this for starters…

    ‘drizzled soak a old you are’

    do you do any other unimpressions…or are you in disguise.. as an idiot..?

  286. prem martyn says:

    hey bubbie .. you were doing so well watching the bugs bunny repeats….
    and now you got despondent…

    its okay …its natural .. i mean now that they’ve cut back on all the adult literacy classes on the west coast ..you’re bound to get upset…
    i know you wanted to reach the three sentences joined together primer…but you’ll have to wait for the summer recess.. maybe you can get back on, if you study real hard…
    try to put the pictures and words together…
    that’ll impress the teacher..

    keep your pecker up bubs…and remember you’re an ameriCAN…

    and i support the disabled ….wheelchair rights and all that…
    i’m behind you bubs …

    pushin’

    hey watch the cliff edge.. brakes man .. brakes….

    holy sheeeeeeeeett .. bubs
    speak to me bubs..

    you’ll get over this bubs…no its nothing.. just a scratch… and the wheel got stuck up your arse but the doctors at emergency are great… they’ll get it out ..
    bubs
    speak to me…

    its just a wheel bubs.. lots of people get wheels stuck up their arses.. don’t worry…

    bubsss ??????

  287. prem martyn says:

    don’t worry ..be bubbie…

    :)

  288. prem bubbie says:

    aaaaah Prem martyn can’t take a joke….. i thought Singh Shantam Singh had “seriousness” issues.. i took my english composition classes from Singh shantam singh… you, well, sufi can tell us…..

  289. prem bubbie says:

    I’m taking advice from Colonel Khaddafi from now on… “Dance, and sing and be happy”…. now how the hell can you top that? pass the word, P.M. to sufi and the gang…. from one lunatic to another….

  290. prem bubbie says:

    Yes, i am an ameriCan… you… a uptight brit… “God Save the queen” and all of that bullocks. or better still “The King’s Speech”…… any pointers from him eh, P.M.? hummmahummambraaaa pppppthpppph… cheerio hip hip. “be seeing ya’- #6, 1968.. “The Prisoner”

  291. prem bubbie says:

    Lokes- being a merry Scotsman(we all know the Scots hate the Brits) what say you to all of this blathering?

  292. Kavita says:

    Locky whats your prefix . . if you dont mind sharing . . :)

    now lam wondering if bubbie is KP . . hee hee . . sorry Marty boy for putting u in KP’s shoes . . hee hee . . guess everybody has an Agatha Christie in them . . lam not a fan of hers though . . this prem is confusing at times . . l guess . . all prefixes are . . but shall have to bear with them . . what would we do without love anyway . . hee hee . . :)

  293. Kavita says:

    sannyasnews sorry to bother you . . if possible can you delete these . . I had overlooked these . . thanx in anticipation . . love Kavita

    Dictatorships Old and New
    Posted on February 6th, 2011 by sannyasnews

    Kavita // 5 Feb, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Kavita // 5 Feb, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Kavita // 5 Feb, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Kavita // 5 Feb, 2011 at 9:16 am

    Kavita // 5 Feb, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Kavita // 8 Feb, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    Kavita // 7 Feb, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    Krishna Prem meets Osho for the first time
    Posted on February 9th, 2011 by sannyasnews

    Kavita // 12 Feb, 2011 at 11:28 am

    Kavita // 12 Feb, 2011 at 8:59 am

    :)

  294. Kavita says:

    the soil where this cacti faded needs to be unploughed
    . . :)


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  295. Lokesh says:

    Kavita, you leave the lads in the dust when it comes to pure nuttiness. I just had a look at some of the comments you wish to have delated. You are drawing attention to them by asking for them to be delated. Why, for instance, would you wish to bother someone with delating this…’and she came from afghanistan . . wandering all the way
    to Poona . . :) ’ It is so inoffensive. Only thing I find strange about it is what it actually means,(not entirely unusual for your comments) but I’m not really interested to find out. I am curious to know what it is that you see in your comments that makes you wish for them to disappear. Please explain and if you do I’ll give the prefix….fair exchange etc.

    Bubbie it is a traditional for the Scots to hate the English(Sassenachs). This goes back to the time of the highland clearances when the highland clans were wiped out by land-grabbing southerners and their mercenary armies. Ethnic cleansing as they say in modern times.
    The English are seen as two-faced. They hide behind their manners(sorry) and then shoot you in the back etc. This attitude still prevails in Scotland to this day. I left Scotland over 40 years ago and have not really lived there since. There is something that can bug me about the English, but I have that with the Germans and the Scots and the Americans and just about every other nationality you care to mention. The thing is, I’m married to a German and I have many English friends. Conclussion: it’s all bullshit. I think it is true that nationalism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel turns.

  296. Kavita says:

    Lokesh . . after l read the comments of sufi on osho world . . l read the above mentioned responses of mine
    . . :)

    Marty boy should l get a doctorate from this school for this thesis . . but l dont need to have prefixes . . hee hee . . :)

  297. Kavita says:

    Lokesh l was watching a movie with my mother . . the movie jus got over . . so couldnt reply immediately . . l hope I didnt make you wait long dear . . :)

  298. prem martyn says:

    ahemm…on an historical point…

    och but i have a tartan…
    turnbull clan

    http://www.turnbullclan.com/tca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=60:william-roule-the-first-turnbull&catid=25:famous-turnbulls&Itemid=68

    friends of robert the bruce..
    family motto

    i saved the king..(the scots one)

    family village Bedrule scottish borders….

    cattle rustlers in 15th century … expropriated farmers 18th.. most descended onto newcastle and wallsend and then further south…blue eyes/blond hair from the vikings who originally settled the area…

    ….
    yes its true lokesh its all cobblers but the americans love it..
    the best thing is the music …..
    and the lovely colours in the cloth.. and the space…
    but the weather is drechh very very drechhh

    ……

    bubbie its virtual ….there is no wheel…..and no goose…

    its a pretend story …that you can add to when you feel creative….

    awwwww shuckks bubbie..

    what you say is funny.. laughable in fact….

    now thats funny !

  299. Lokesh says:

    Martyn, here is a wee relevant copy and paste from my first book.

    From an early age the children on Iona had it drummed into their heads by their elders that they were Scottish and that they should be proud of it. They were also brainwashed into believing that Scotland was the country, above all others, that had been the birthplace of many creative geniuses, who had given the world almost everything of practical importance, including the Bank of England and the United States Navy. What the children were never told was that the Chinese invented whisky, haggis was a sausage cooked up by the ancient Greeks, tartan became popular after different regiments in the English army began creating their own designs during the early 1900s, bagpipes came from Central Asia and that porridge had been eaten by Scandinavians three-thousand years before kilts were first worn by the Irish, who colonized Scotland in the fifth century A.D. and gave the country its name.

  300. prem martyn says:

    which really makes me a descendant of Rollo the swedish viking…with a base in Rouen in france after the 8th century..

    anyway there was this american carnivore , this swede ,this scotsman and this vegetarian..and this frenchman in a pub
    and one said to the other

    i’m sorry but this ancient joke has no punch line ..no-end-at-all

    to which the scotsman replied
    och yess,you’s di’n-osaw that comin’ fram wae aff..?

  301. prem martyn says:

    i say moving the goalposts here with these conversations …all the time…

    well .. i say .. dash it all… well its not cricket is it….?
    blasted colonials..and all

    toodle oo

  302. prem bubbie says:

    some of my ancestors from Russia had ancestors from Mongolia(Genghis and Co.) all of that colonizing and conquering etc. so in a sense i’m distantly related to :D alai Lama, Hopi Indians of Arizona, King of Bhutan… definitely some others too…one definitely needs some calm, “Spiritual” blood to temper the barbarian in us…. I’m still waiting for it to kick in.