The Source of My Power is My Love
Interview with Veeresh by Geetee for the German Osho Times
Geetee: I found two definitions of the word power in the Oxford Dictionary Online.
A: The ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way.
B: The capacity or ability to influence others or the course of events.
What does power mean to you?
Veeresh: Immediately I think of myself as a kid. We are playing baseball in the park. There were three bases and a home plate and the bases were full. I came to the plate being really shaky because all the kids were looking at me and shouting: “Come on, you can do it, you can do it.” Then the ball came and with all my power I hit it. I connected and it went past the “outfielder”. I was running and made four homeruns in one hit. Everyone was cheering and we won the game. I was a hero. That’s what power meant to me as a kid.
Another situation was being around seventeen, making love the first time. It was so important for me. After it happened, I felt like: “Yippee, I am a man.” I could have died then, feeling good about myself and my life, because I did it. (Laughter) I accomplished something that was very important to me.
I remember going to jail, feeling so frightened that I would be abused. I wanted to learn karate, to protect myself. I wanted to join the class in jail and the teacher said: “Get into the middle of the room and show me what you have.” I perceived the room as crowded, but in reality there were only about ten guys. Being in the middle, suddenly they started to kick and push me. All I knew was I just wanted to hit one of them. I kept swinging and swinging, blood was coming out of my mouth, and my back was aching. I went wild just trying to hit somebody. Then the teacher said: “Stop. You are in the class.” I was shocked; I did not understand what he meant. I thought I failed and just got my ass kicked. Then he said: “Most people just lie on the floor and cover their heads. They give up their power. But you have courage.” I remember walking out thinking without knowing what I was doing, I proved that I had power.
What I learned today is that the source of my power is my love.
I used to think that it was being able to protect myself, to perform, or being a macho man. In the past I have been living in a state of defense, as a survival trip. I was trying to get around and manipulate situations, so that I could feel safe.
Over the years, I learned to trust the love in my heart and that I can deal with negativity in any situation, if I keep coming from that position. I know that if I have hate and I meet someone else’s hate, it just promotes more hate. On the other hand, the power of love can transform everything.
Question: When is power a curse and when does it become a blessing?
Power is a curse when one nation says to another nation: “We have the military power and if you don’t do what we say we will kill you for peace.”– this mentality.
Today we have power to feed the entire world and what do we do? Almost two thirds of what we produce is wasted and people are starving.
I see how in the name of religion and politics power is misused and it disturbs me.
I look at that and wonder, what kind of focus are we using today? If anything new comes on the market and it doesn’t suit the money making machinery, they ignore it.
I know that we have the technology, the science, and the research ability to cure cancer. If we take the money that is spent on the military budgets in all countries in one year and put it into researching what is best to cure all diseases of mankind we could cure them. We are talking about trillions and trillions of dollars that could go into research to better mankind.
Greed and money drives the world today. That really upsets me. All countries know that pollution is not good and what do they do with their ability to change it? One country says we are not through using up our pollution industry, you guys can drop it, but we don’t. What madness!
I know that the only solution is to share the love I have with the people around me, those who I come into contact with. That is my power, because I can’t change the mentality in the world. Power becomes a blessing, when you realize that through your actions you have been able to transform a situation or a human being into a more positive one.
I was standing in Alkmaar Hospital watching the birth of my son and I was crying. This birth, this miracle is happening in front of my eyes. We have brought this beautiful child into this world. I felt what a joy it is that I can transform my energy into this total human being. I thought: “The power of love produces this and I am a part of this. It is my baby and the greatest blessing for me.”
I am doing a group and I occasionally I like to say: “As the leader, I have the power to decide what is best for you.” The groupies look at me and wonder: “Is he going to misuse this power?” Throughout the group process they learn to trust me and I see the transformation happening in them. I guide them to become beautiful and loving human beings. This makes me feel that I am a good man. In the morning I look in the mirror when I am shaving and talk to myself: “Veeresh, you are an amazing man. You really don’t give up. You want to give everything you have.” That is my power. I want to share and give my heart. I want people to benefit from my love and my experiences.
Question: What is the greatest power one can achieve to?
I said it earlier Geetee. The power of love is the highest power you can have. That you can create transformation, you can create peace. You can create a humanity we are all proud of. I like the power I have of taking someone from darkness to light. Personal power is for me, when my energy is touching another person’s energy. It means meeting another human being with my heart.
Question: Who are powerful people that you admire and why?
The first one that comes to my mind is my grandfather, a famous general. One day he sat me on his knee. I felt he was a giant. Even though he was wearing civilian clothes he still had his pistol and his sword on him. He looked me seriously in the eye and said to me: “Denny, don’t ever forget this: A Sanchez never eats shit from anybody!” I looked at him and felt he gave me a sense of power.
Today it means for me that I don’t compromise what I feel in my heart is good for me. I don’t have to go along with a situation that I feel is off. Every now and then I get into conflicts. Then I respect that the other has their position, but mine is different. And with this, I do not need to create an argument or fight about it. I don’t have to prove anything to anybody. He showed me this and I will never forget that.
Another man was Victor Biando, my director in the therapeutic community of Phoenix House, an ex-Mafioso. He was our hero. I remember one time he was on television. Our community was going to close down because there was not enough money. He was on TV to promote us and get funding. 250 of us were sitting there watching Victor as he was saying: “Isn’t it amazing, that what is considered the scum of the earth today, will become the leaders of tomorrow?” We all cried. He was talking about us, and he was pleading for money, so that our community could survive. Even today he is my hero. He never gave up on us.
I could go on Geetee, but, Osho is the final man. I love him so much. He was just showering me with love and I didn’t know what was special about me. In the beginning I even thought that it was a game. “Why does he give me so much attention?” “Why does he put me on the front row?” After a while I realized, he just loved me, he loved my way of being. Then I got it. I didn’t have to prove anything to him. He just felt my love for him. He is my biggest hero. With Osho I didn’t have to pay a price for love, I didn’t have to do anything. I felt blessed, my chief loves me. His way of showing me his love was by giving me presents: one sock, two cowboy hats, a gold pen with diamonds, a chair, two robes, slippers, the clock in his kitchen and a statue of Hotai the Buddha, a crystal from the United Nations, his first Rolex watch, it goes on and on…
He is my master, my teacher, my father, and my friend. The last one was a big pill to swallow. We are friends, regardless of the roles we play. This was the greatest gift he gave me.
Comment: Please add anything you wish to complete the interview.
I am in a position of power. I have final decisions to make about what we do at the Humaniversity. I like to share my power with my friends, my staff. I always say, “What do you think?” or “Premdip, what is your opinion?” I could say: “This is it and I don’t give a fuck what anybody says.” I have never been that way.
It is a great responsibility to have the trust of so many people. I try to be accurate and do what is good for me and everyone else. That is quite a weight sometimes. I often wake up in the morning concerned about our students. It is my way, I can’t stop that. I care, not because I have to but because I want to. I have a power, and it is delicate to use it, so that everybody can benefit by it. It requires quite some awareness. I am responsible for everyone who comes in here. I want them all to benefit and become healthier, happier and more fulfilled.
One of my aims when I work with people is to pick up the person that is not doing well. There I can apply my energy and uplift the person or the situation. That has always been my way; I learned that. That is when I can say that power becomes a blessing.
I feel my heart and I move with all the love I have. Sometimes I forget myself and then Premdip gets upset. She says: “You are not sleeping, you are not eating, you are not taking care of yourself.” She always brings me home. Premdip helps me regulate my power.
Geettee: Thank you for another beautiful interview.
An interesting interview with an interesting man. I have met Veeresh a few times over the years at different points in my life and I like him. One cannot deny his achievments in life and I believe he has helped many people during the course of his life.
I find his anecdotes to be easy to relate to and I think all of the readers here on SN would be quite capable of producing similar accounts from their own lives. As for statements like, “He is my master, my teacher, my father, and my friend”, I cannot honestly say that I can relate to most of that, apart from perhaps Osho having been one of my teachers and that he was a friend to a certain extent. I know where Veeresh is coming from when he states such things but much of it has to do with a guru/disciple mindset that I currently have little space for in my life.
I suspect that many older sannyasins who work with people in a meditative/theraputic profession often have a vested interest in maintaining such an image, although no doubt really believing it in certain cases. That is their business and certainly not mine.
I can remember quite clearly when Veeresh first appeared in Poona One and how over the years the old man gave him more and more juice. I found it curious (from what I have seen on the guru scene, the wise guys often have their favourites. Being a guru’s favourite does not imply that you are any more self-realised than other disciples, it just means the wise ones are occassionally prone to favouritism). It could be that Osho saw that Veeresh in some way was in need of special attention, but I find it much more likely that Osho perceived in the man a certain potential that he found worthwhile developing to further his cause.
Quite recently, someone posted an Osho quote relating to how Osho never planned anything, which in my view is utter bullshit. Osho made plans and he had an agenda, part of which concerned ‘special treatment’. This required planning, Laxmi being the mouthpiece, while Osho remained in the background – Sheela eventually became the bad mouthpiece. If a multimillionaire showed up at the ashram the red carpet was rolled out, same goes for renowned therapists. What was cool about it was that once they had been reeled in they soon became just another fish in the tank, which is basically how I came to view Veeresh.
As it happened, Veeresh never spent that much time in Poona One, as I recall, and therefore never learned the lessons that came from living for years around Osho – maybe he didn’t need to. His destiny lay elsewhere and involved different lessons. Different strokes…
I think that Veeresh’s rap on the power of love is all very well, but much better encapsulated by Jimi Hendrix’s saying: “When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.”
Due to Veeresh’s circumstances he has become something of an authority, which in turn brings up a Timothy Leary quote: “Think for yourself and question authority.” Being treated as a knower is an extremely seductive situation to find oneself in. It is also a trap, because being the knower ties in with what people’s notions are concerning what a knower is, making it difficult for the knower to admit that he/she is sometimes wrong and at other times uncertain of what is really what. If you want to be a big knower uncertainty is a no no, because another knower will take your place who is certain about everything. Playing guru can take its toll and certainly does if a person is not fully realised. I am not suggesting that Veeresh is doing this, but it is always good to be reminded of it.
I see in my own life that I have much that I could teach others, but I am held back by the realisation that I can not honestly say that I am immersed in that which is true. Perhaps in proximity, which is not enough when you get down to it, because a close miss is as good as a million light years when it comes to the Truth. Well, that is how I see it at least. All or nothing.
So, thanks to SN for providing an interesting article. I found it stimulating. Hats off to Veeresh. A good man in my books.
Thanks for the considered contribution and time you have given to this, Lokesh.
Yes, thank you, Lokesh.
And let me ‘quote-your-quote’:
“When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.”
And although I do not know (or remember just now that piece of Jimmy Hendrix, these lines met my feeling ´underneath´, reading the issue and remembering also the ever again acquaintances or meetings with Humaniversity-trained therapists or dropouts from the scene throughout the decades.
However, I remember Veeresh as one of the rare sannyas VIP Therapists who made it, who did not compromise with the Ashram´s administration, when he didn´t feel to. So maybe his capacity for resistance (when needed) also made him a kind of ´favourite´?
Otherwise, I really love how you went deeply in such matters. Can very well relate to it.
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I also remember the Humaniversity Place as one where others were anchoring in times of chaos and big shifts of phases and/or breakdowns of projects. To fly off again when they gathered strength.
Nothing much to add to your indeed “considered contribution”.
Thanks again.
Madhu
P.S: And although I do not feel so familiar (as others I know) with Veeresh kind of ‘working ´stuff´ through’ , I feel him a very honest man, not faking around – not like I sometimes experienced others who installed schools etc. etc. etc.
Thanks, SN and Madhu. I intentionally left a couple of loopholes in my ehm…er…“considered contribution” to allow further comments to emerge. Let’s see.
Btw, Lokesh, checking online I notice that the “when the power of love exceeds the love of power”quote is actually attributed to Mahatma Gandhi rather than Jimi Hendrix…
Fascinating that such different characters should come to the same conclusion!
I imagine in some karmically-balanced parallel universe Jimi is in his dhoti sipping on his goats milk and sleeping with a few chicks to prove his celibacy whilst Mo is up on stage, tripping out of his head, with Al Jinnah on bass, Mitch Mountbatten on drums…ripping into the opening chords of ‘Wild Thing’ whilst all the girls in the front row are going crazy and ripping their psychedelic saris off…
“I`m a hindoo chile, baby, lord knows `I`m a hindoo chile….”
Since I know Veeresh from the late 80′s, doing several groups and the encounter training, he has spread the same message: That power is love and that love is power (over oneself). According to the anciënt Osho Tarot there is this beautiful story about the king and his three sons, stating that love consists of courage and generosity. Out of all, the two most unambiguous virtues; no hypocrisy is able to imitate them.
For me, Veeresh proved to possess both qualities. Out of my own experience he often sticks up for the ones with serious problems but lets his final decision depend on the people who surround him. Sometimes this goes against his own opinion. In my case, he let me be dismissed from the training by Premdip, probably due to a lack of courage on my side, while he himself would have preferred to keep me and give me another chance.
Now we come to the next point I would like to make: everything has got two sides to it, is conflicting. Goethe says: “All is more simple than a human being can imagine, but at the same time more complicated then he can understand.” Since Osho left his body sannyasins miss the central figure on whom they can project their respect and regards, while he would let us go our own way. The question is, to what extent we attach his name on to it now he is not here anymore to defend himself?
In the entire interview Veeresh is not referring even one time to him. He comes out with controversial examples out of his own experiences in the ‘common’ world: power is a curse when one nation says to another nation: “We have the militairy power and if you don’t do what we say we will kill you for peace”. But what if this is out of self-defence? We all know what would have happened if the Germans hadn’t been beaten during the 2nd World War. It was a courageous and generous deed which needed a lot of self-sacrifice. It was an inevitabe and highly intelligent solution, in other words it was a deed of love.
It is not coincidental that exactly Veeresh experienced an early example of pure power by his grandfather being a famous general who was taking no shit from anyone but who can listen very well. And we should be able to reverse this quality also. Even a self-realised master like Osho makes us think for ourselves at all times. We all know that homosexuality is genetically defined and can therefore never be a perversion as he stated. Thinking for ourselves is equal to immersing in that wich is true.
“A mistake from the so-called Enlightenment: she offered mankind the illusion of objectivity while subjectivity lives on.” Another statement from Goethe. Please let us be inspired by Osho but not acting on behalf of his name.
I fear that the lower orders of society may be attracted to ideas beyond their station by this sort of Tommy-rot, and would then be not up to the task of conversing without some awful accent upon the Queen’s English, thus making their growthful spurts such a burden for one’s ears.
Shouldn’t one ask for such individuals and their ilk to be compulsorily moderated? Thank goodness for online comments without a need for sullying oneself in sweaty basements with the unwashed chicken-eaters of the world.
Hoy, Guv, “unwashed chicken-eaters of the world” – How to recognize ‘em?
By Jove,
Well, I say, without over-egging the point about this chap and his staff and team games…
FYI:
Here is a handy look-alike template which has proved invaluable for spotting those types of rebellious and fowl-smelling oiks from the lower echelons (who are known to pack a chicken dinner in between letting those ‘feathers fly’ in sweaty basements). And I believe the one in the middle is a Generalissimo Colonello Sanders who don’t take no sheeeett, but sells it…inspirational and iconic.
Hope this helps, me ol’ ‘Mexican’ bean, what!
http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/5/46696.jpg
This is all a bit obscure, young Martyn. I think Lokesh is also foxed! I suppose you are saying that as you are variously self-described as a fruitarian or vegan, and that these Veeresh people are sort of the working class of Sannyas, and certainly eat red meat and chicken!
I must admit I have found many of them unnecessarily brazen, and offering a public face which is insensitive and encounterish, often without due cause – just imitative of the behaviour in the groups they attend.
It is true, Lokesh, that Veeresh was never a commune member, and actually spent a limited time actually hanging out around Osho when he was in the flesh. Hence, though in some way he seems to adopt when convenient a sort of surrender philosophy, he never experienced any real surrender himself to the temporal leaders of Sannyas, and seems to have consciously avoided it. He would have experienced much less than me or you, for example, in terms of where and what he worked at, etc.
He has always been a group leader, and a biggish one, and it could be argued that he will only experience real growth when he gives up that role which encourages the fawning of others.
You have done well there, BP/PM. Absolutely clear and comprehensive rendition of the above ‘oiks’.
Your summary of my elliptical narrative has further developed Lokesh’s understanding, for others, of these self-proclamations of those rebels.
Pheww.
That should do it.
P.S: I’ve never yet been on a hunt sab, but am looking to do something loving with my power over Xmas. Will keep you posted about Toff Tory-Voting Twats.
xx
The Young One
By Jingo, PM, eureka. You got it, matey.
Osho was criticised by his country for his liberal views about love.
Western management went all the way to ensure visiting disciples follow the rules of the land.
But when the time is right, fragrance of master’s words spread out of the closed conclaves.
Indian women have changed their attire and now ‘Kiss of Love’ movement is taking the winds of change to new levels…
India is changing and the master who should have got aknowledgement for this change won’t get this recognition.
Reason is simple, disciples have proven retros. Disciples’ Osho is not a social scientist, he is just one of ‘Baba Dhyan Chand’. (MOD: TRANSLATION, PLEASE!)
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/kissing-up-a-storm/article1-1286632.aspx
If one can create a sustaiable business model out of love, it has unending market potentials.
Love is what majority of humanity, including myself, craves for.
Love, oh dear love…
For many you are seacrh, for few a work!
Fix punctures, change tyre tube, oil the engine…lucky people can create profession out of their passion.
German Osho Times have two people in their basket, Veeresh and Satya Deva, whose interviews are published at regular intervals.
Amazingily, question about the internal power and intrigues about Sannyas Foundation Inc. are never asked.
“President Assad, what you would like to suggest to the leaders of G20?”
I very much doubt whether the Satya Deva known here at SN is ‘in the pocket’ of the German Osho Times!
He is an out and out ‘doubter’ of everything, a fellow spirit of Descartes, and pretty unconventional, he would not fit with those guys in Cologne at all!
Correction: 2nd name is not Satya Deva but Satya Dass, ex-journalist and author of the famous book, ‘Hier und Jetzt’.
You know,I remember when my granpa, Bullet-tooth Tony, took me on his knee, showed me his loaded carbine and spun the barrels of his Colt, he said: “I love you, but don`t ever take sides with anyone against the family!” That gave me a feeling of power and I figured: “Yeah, love is the answer, man.”
Then when I was in jail, my hero, Tommy ‘the butcher’ Bandero took me aside and said to me: “Everybody needs a new start once in a while. Look, runnin’ a rehab is like robbing a bank with no cops around, know waddamsayin?” I said: “Wow, man.”
“That’s right, meditation is the new medication and millions of those honkies need to score real bad.”
Then I met Bugsy, he was the tops, father-figure, chief, boss, don, the most spiritual gangsta of all time…He made me an offer I could not refuse.
He said: “You`re born, you take shit, you go out in the world, you take more shit, you climb a little higher, you take less shit, till one day you find yourself in a rarified atmosphere you don’t even remember what shit looks like. Welcome to the enlightenment cake, son…And remember: the wise guy is always right. Even when he`s wrong, he`s right.”
That`s when I really started to feel the power of love, man.
Every now and then I get into conflicts…
People get greedy and negative…that upsets me…
I just give them my love and make ‘em an offer they can`t refuse…
I don’t have to prove nothing to nobody.
Like Lucky Luciano said:
“I`m on top of the world, ma!”
Great stuffo, Frank.
Yes, but Big V’s sort of Spanish, not Italian.
Still, same sort of thing, I suppose….
Dear Frank,
I love the post. Made me giggle like hell and also made some very interesting points about his love of power. What an odd word to focus on?
Each to his own: Veresh may have truly helped some people but in my one group with him I found the whole drama to be a bit confusing.
First of all, crates of beer were brought in to “loosen” us all up. Now, it may have been beneficial for a few people, but if I’d wanted to get drunk I’d have gone down the pub!
An unusual event also occurred when one of the participants got a little close to Veeresh and he had us all sit down and lectured us on how WE had allowed this chap to potentially “attack” him and had not shown Veeresh enough “respect”. He alluded to his importance and how we should have defended him, as well as informing us that if it had been Bhagwan, we would all have been so much more alert in defending him.
Then he had us all standing up learning how to defend ourselves against physical attack. Learning to hit people flat on the chest to give them a heart attack. This was intended to build our self-confidence and self-esteem!
He then came in and out of the room as the event unfolded, sometimes gracing us with his wisdom and other times leaving us to his fellow-leaders.
I concluded that the event and the group may have helped some, but it didn’t do much for me. The rest of the weekend, I have no memory of, there may have been some taking off of clothes, can’t remember – I was probably too embarrassed and out of place to learn anything.
As to Veeresh’s article, he describes his source of power as coming from Love. Is love a power? Power implies force over something and he seems to enjoy the idea that his power is a force for good and for love. In my experience, once we start thinking of ourselves as a power for good or love, we are soon tempted to use power and can become arrogant.
“The power of love is the highest power you can have. That you can create transformation, you can create peace. You can create a humanity we are all proud of. I like the power I have of taking someone from darkness to light. Personal power is for me, when my energy is touching another person’s energy. It means meeting another human being with my heart.”
Anyone who thinks they can “create peace”, or can “create a humanity we are all proud of” is a little scary, in my book. Anyone who thinks of themselves as a “good man” or sees himself as an “amazing” man, is getting pretty self-important?
But hey, he’s always been attracted to working with some pretty messed-up people, and so I can’t help but have some respect for his efforts – he just wasn’t on my wavelength.
Simond, good post.
Simon,
Yes, weird scenes inside the goldmine, indeed.
Over my many years of networking within Sannyas there have sometimes been more than just gossip of casualties of Veeresh-inspired Humaniversity therapy. Of course I have also actually met a few of these people (otherwise I would not comment), and they should NEVER have been encouraged to do such groups or to live in such communities.
I accept it is always possible to make mistakes, but accessing such groups should have been much more difficult. I understand now that introductory things like in the AUM divined Veeresh meditation for newcomers there is indeed screening. Perhaps some would say a bit late in the day for those who ‘suffered’ from the inappropriateness of such therapies (for them) at such times.
Also, along with this went a certain arrogance and judgement of the weaker brethen, and for some reason a need to somehow upset them further than they were already upset. Such forces are unconscious between most human beings, but we are talking of leaders who claimed (even then) a certain ‘consciousness’…
Of course, ‘Encounter’ and other radical therapies such as Reichian devrivatives, etc. definitely have their place in and advantages for the growth of a sub-set of already psychologically resilient people. However, to believe that the shores of enlightenment are debarred from anyone who does not find zen or encounter suited to their spirit is plainly mistaken.
OK, so a few unconscious repressed negative losers on a victim trip who ain’t got enough love in their hearts get burned and then project their unresolved bullshit onto people who are dedicating their lives to working with people for a better world…boo hoo…
What do think this is, bro`? Mother Theresa’s wimp sanctuary or something??
Power of groups was such, those who need psychiatric observation also went for urological check-up.
and wonder was specialists too did not object.
If you have dollars, euros and pounds, you are welcome.
Poor Indians like me have travelled all the way in cattle class!
My last contact with this codswallop was over 28 years ago.
Could someone please tell me why I am writing here at all?
I’m currently also busy watching paint dry.
Ta.
…and the Noisyversity Veeresh Lookalike Therapissed training video:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=STIvNjWobzA
Marty…
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Due to deep conditioning about ‘power’, which has not yet disappeared in me, for this topic, instead of ‘The Source of My Power is My Love’ I would rather prefer ‘The Source of My Strength is My Love’.
Veeresh I have seen him physically in the Pune commune, but somehow his vibe has never created any attraction in me. This interview seems moderately sincere to me.
I would have rather booked a group with Prem Martyn or Frank without having seen them physically, if they would be leading groups!
Thanks, Kavita.
I don`t lead any groups apart from when I take my dog, Diogenes, for a walk…
but as Jimi Gandhrix said:
“When the love of the throwaway one-liner exceeds the love of power, humanity will know peace.”
Lucky Diogenes & Ja Jimi is so right, I do remember him saying that!
Kavita,
Dhanyavad
I’m glad that this online group brings light to hidden recesses in the laughatory of life and leaves you feeling flushed.
P.S: Frank, we appear to have one booking already for our Xmas Panto Musical…love the grand finale song you posted.
Marty, recesses have always been a great relief!
On second thoughts, not always, but mostly (maybe SD would be offended:) ).
Well, yes, of course, Kavita – if I had the slightest clue what you were talking about….
SD, just for you, “recesses have mostly been a great relief” – hope you agree?
Words fail me….
Embrace your new, cuddly image, SD.
Aaah yes, the cuddly Descartian ‘cogito ergo sum’ from the Calvin and Hobbes school of Feelosophy…
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New age spirituality is such, casualty rate is never mentioned, success rate is over- stressed. Maybe this is the reason, after the death of founders their work starts losing the stream. Maybe it is the sheer willpower which works as engine without any support from the Existence.
It is truly said, “The Source of My Power is My Love.”
Stress is on MY.
Thus spoke El Chudo, SN’s biggest casualty. He lives in A&E on a full time basis.
Yes, Lokesh, I am the professor doctor at A&E of New Age spirituality.
Do you have splints on your head?
Lokesh cannot bear my posts. His camelhood cannot stand under the mountain.
Work on your complexes, man, if you really want to play Punja-ji 2 in your next life!
Next life? I have enough to be going on with in this life. The possibility of a next life on some sort of personalized level is for numpties like El Chudo.
As for your comments, Chud Meister, they represent to me the depth of the hole you’ve dug for yourself to exist in. That you should imagine them to in some way get under my skin is just a measure of the state of delusion you live in. Don’t flatter yourself. Truth be told, I only glance at most of your comments and actually read a few of them. Seeing as how you choose to address me I respond in kind. Get well soon.
Individualism has taken humanity nowhere, it has been proven as a failed concept, which has produced some hedonists and inflated egos.
Man is a social animal and family is the base. There can be unhappy familes, challenge is how to create happy individuals within the family structure.
From tribal family to nuclear family, less than this is just the crowd of lost singles. As I have observed, Veeresh was catering to such young crowds, who were afraid to take the challenges of life and create children. Though the man himself must have realised in his late 50′s how important is the milestone to be a father or mother.
Problem with this post, Shantam, is the strong suspicion that once again you’re projecting your own situation/condition on the rest of the world, making yourself feel important by pontificating about others and drawing ‘significant conclusions’ that you like to imagine apply to everyone.
How successful was your own family, may I ask?
And, separated from your wife, who are you to talk about “the crowd of lost singles” anyway?
As in your interminable ashram regime propaganda, again you come across as highly traditionalist, a man who basically embraces such collective customs and values, ready to condemn all those who don’t tread this well-worn path, with little or no sense of the extent of damage inflicted or of the limitations imposed upon the victims of the institution to which you ascribe such supreme value.
Your description of Veeresh’s clients as “afraid to take the challenges of life” has a smugly judgmental ring to it – unsurprising really in someone who has no experience or understanding of, or sympathy for the ‘therapeutic journey’ – as if you look down upon such people, the implication seemingly being that they should really ‘buck their ideas up’ and ‘grow some moral fibre’, you know, ‘snap out of it – ie in your terms, get a job, get married and have kids. And as such, just another highly conservative, blindingly ignorant voice more suited to one from earlier generations than yours and mine.
All in all, most unimpressive, Shantam. How long have you been influenced by Osho – 5 minutes?
Before you jump to typically inappropriate conclusions, let me say that I’m not necessarily anti-marriage, or pro-communes, or anti or pro any variations in-between. Neither am I unaware of certain ‘issues’ re therapy, therapists and clients. As with everything, it all depends on the individuals concerned. I’m just offended by your particular brand of unenlightened (in the conventional meaning of the word) foolishness: sheer uninformed stupidity masquerading as wisdom.
A week at the Humaniversity would be heap mighty powerful medicine for Chief El Chudo’s unique blend of sickness.
Thread is ending in an insane asylum at the moment – riot-like.
What a BIG word ´Humaniversity´ is, isn’t it?
And – if you, Kavita, choose or rate your therapeutic ´trainee´ in the internet, I would recommend you a second thought about it.
Oh dear, here comes old misery guts again, bang on cue…
Come on, Maddie…you forgot your catch-phrase:
“It`s not funny.”
La Madhoo proclaims, “What a BIG word ´Humaniversity´ is, isn’t it?”
Not really. Obviously not up on your Mary Poppins, Madhoo. If in search of a BIG word try…Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
Madhu Dagmar Frantzen, just because I seldom respond to your poetic ramblings don’t you throw your shit at me, stay away from me. I really don’t care what you or anyone rates my internet skills, I do what I do / do not do because I enjoy it. Anyway, I respect each one’s freedom of expression.
Kavita, “poetic ramblings” is an overstatement. Are you trying to get on the good side of Madoo’s multi-faceted persona? Have you no shame?
Lokesh, PLEASE, in fact I would like to be as far away from any of her sides, good / bad or beautiful/ ugly!
Shades of Clint Eastwood.
Yes, Amigo !
You can have it, Frank:
If a two year-old plays with his own shit, examining and exploring what comes out from the indigestible, it might be funny for others to watch how he or she is doing that.
If some old exemplars of seemingly grown-ups still are stuck in such habits and throwing their shit all around,
it’s not funny.
Otherwise, there are indeed a lot of psychological implications, but for an understanding of this, you really got to be more grown-up. So talking to a wall of shit is of no use.
Madhu
P.S: What I also found out the last decades is that the new habits of cannibalism on a broad scale in the only so-called ´information societies´ bring up a new and broad scale of ´indigestion troubles´ and symptoms.
And also this is not funny at all, although it is marketed as ´funny´.
It is you, isn´t it, Lokesh, who brought up this EUREKA (!)?
Such an old triumphal outburst always ´rejuvenates´- so we can follow the stream of so called histories from the time before Christ, counting up to nowadays – like a long Freemasons-storybook.
From Archimedes up to the stock (EUREKA) market of global lobbying in very extensive projects to implant technical progress worldwide and also on the entertainment (´EUREKA´) market some so-called Science Fiction series about Secret Society Labour Projects situated by the script writers in Oregon, US. Amazing – didn´t leave me in awe though.
Rather left me with the question: how come that innovations are mostly combined with ´war-craft´ stuff, and how to avoid that? If possible.
Madhu
And if you, Veeresh, are peeping into this thread and the contributions of response – like the former Rajen did – I would like to share with you that your counting up the valuables you got as gifts from the Master, you did it in a way I feel rather more obscene than loving or lovable (for sight-viewers).
I also remember visiting your place long ago (in His lifetime) when the woman I asked for the silent evening Meditation with one of His lectures, I was told that for “that kind of stuff” I had to go elsewhere, but at that any time I could look at one of your vids.
So – the interview posted (as issue) is really honest, and by that I mean it shows, without masks, what you are up to (in terms of the power issue).
I don´t feel home in that.
And being fucked or fucked up in terms of rape, or other hard-core businesses like this in inter-human encounter-relatings wouldn´t better my feelings, rather on the contrary.
Yet I can see that there is a big market for that. Sadly enough.
Madhu
El LoKoo,
Rare the times that you miss my irony
but it happens….
I didn’t miss it, you did, tonta.
“Anyway, I respect each one’s freedom of expression”
Yes, Kavita, your performances in terms of “respect” are simply exquisite.
I remember you saying your English is not so good or something on those lines, so your performance regarding that is just the opposite.
I am sure Geetee is sincere here. But this interview reminds me about one of my own interviews for my own TV-documentaries. So, be aware this is my own personal screen, my own projection, not somebody else’s.
However, I was interviewing an African bishop about the birth of the (Christian) religion in Africa for a documentary, and I tried to make the picture as beautiful as possible for him, so I put him sitting in front of an old tree. In the picture, he seems to have wooden wings. It was not my meaning, but it always made me laugh. The man himself was talking the real thing, and I see it’s significant he had the tree behind him: The Buddha behind.
I can relate to many of the Humaniversity’s marathons; I was part of many and appreciated it. However, right now, I have a marathon with Osho’s discourses; I love listening to them in the evenings, falling asleep, waking up, catching something, forgetting most of it.
I agree, Chetas, this is not an interview really. No difficult questions, not even moderately difficult questions. Just some kind of PR exercise by Geetee – though, as you say sincere.
Frankly. I have met people throughout my quite long life who were sincere, or even good, or personable, or loving, or whatever, but lacked any perspicacity or sharpness – looking at things, at least aiming to be near the depth of a thing.
When you look at Veeresh’s replies as well as Geetee’s questions, it is all pretty platitudinous and middle- brow. Lack of motivated perspicacity, for me, is a greater ‘sin’ than any other.
Thanks, PM, I appreciate your work here at SN, since many generations.
And Kavita, that´s how I’ve perceived it for quite a while:
When males are puffing (MOD: MEANING, PLEASE, MADHU?) each other, demontating (MOD: demonstrating?) and even worse stuff is happening here in the caravanserai, you seem to be utterly energised for adding one or two of your fabulous one-liners, getting then a ´cool babe´or ´right on, babe´ as applause.
That´s a way of female habits I’ve come to know and I really don´t like it.
Madhu
Good to know that you perceived that, I love getting brownie points from the guys on SN!
Hats Off to the editor of this site, Swami Parmartha…
I appreciate his courage and patience to read all kind of junk (Including mine) and then allow the space of internet publishing.
Therapeutic value of SannyasNews is more than the delivery of many shotgun therapists.
Just curious…
Shantam, if you know you contribute “all kinds of junk” here, why do you bother?
Unless, of course, your description of your posts is also “junk”….
It’s all about bonding between rooks, ravens and those who crow
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141106-ravens-sabotage-others-bonding-attempts
It seems many of the people who came closer to Osho were ravens in one of their significant past lives….
Martyn, I remember you wrote a long time ago that some swans are meant to be together. Raven is an important sign for me always to withdraw my energy, but swans, that’s Sannyas.
Last night, I heard Osho say women do not understand philosophy, but only the issues near to them. I need to hear that discourse again, I did not get what he means, but I am curious.
They only understand the issues near to them…
Mmm…
Or to put it another way.
Why are women useless at measuring distance in reverse parking? Because men have always misled them about what 6 inches (15 cms ) looks like.
Or…
An issue close to my partner is a result of my premature target practice.
Or…
Can you feel my handlosophy?
Or…
Is that a swan in your trousers or are you just happy to see me?
Well, Chetas, let us know which/what discourse that is (probably he had a tiff with one of his girls in the house!).
With eyes in wonder I walk around European cities and think maybe I will find some poster, some publicity material about ‘Born in EU’ enlightened gurus.
But seems like this is a 100% ‘Made in India’.
So, dear friends, come out from your fascination about therapists and refine the business model to a new level, similar to:
‘Three days meditation event with
Enlightened Master
John Major
Initiation will be conducted in
Three Tree hotels.’
Well, I laughed at that one!
Yes, that was good.
Shantam, you have potential as a comic.
There is a clown in there desperate to get out!
It`s time to drop all identification with this quasi-religious political mumbo-jumbo and instead to work it all into a script…
Forget Krautland – your talents are wasted there.
Come to London, the Brits are crazy about ethnic comics – Iranians, Chinese, Pakistanis, Africans, Scots, Irish, Algerians, Geordies…they are all here…
Forget about “Osho`s legacy” – it’s time to start thinking more about Andi Osho`s legacy…and you`re already better than her, laughs per line.
A persona of a lost, confused, aging, sex-obsessed Punjabi immigrant, on the dole, with pretensions of being a religious expert and an astrologer who wears his chuddies outside his trousers, speaks solely in mixed metaphors whilst all the while slagging off gora Anglo-Saxon stupidity and irreligiousness…
It could go viral…
It`s a promoter`s wet dream!
Shantam Singh – the man who put the ass into astrology!
Shatnam style!
Go for it!
This is some kind of compliment from ass-fixated Frank.
Problem is, Frank, you too are stand-up comedy material.
Lokesh can give Satsangs.
Satyadeva can lead the psychoanalytical counselling about how to get free from cult addiction.
Parmartha can edit a high street magazine where Tantra and Tits go side-by-side.
I know Kavita, she can run a best Chai shop in Pune where she serves with Zen Giggles…
But no, we are destined to waste our talent here.
There is some kind of allergy against success in all of us. Maybe the side-effect of two much religious mumbo jumbo.
And Thus Spoke Astro-Shantam: “But no, we are destined to waste our talent here.”
Scotland has an enlightened guru called Rab C Nesbit.
Tomorrow is declared as –
WORLD´S TOILET DAY (no joke – as millions upon millions do not have the possibility to use a toilet / in private, causing a lot of problems also because women are often raped in poor countries).
For SHITSTORMINGS in the internet world, Toilet Days are yet to be invented.
I guess there will be an American as well as an English VETO for installing such a day, even though it´s needed.
Enjoy your English digital native brownies – no need for export business.
Madhu
To make it more clear:
(“Nivedano” or “Rupesh”)…
I needed a finger, an anchor ‘pointing to the moon’, to see the moon. You know what I mean.
Rupesh has gone to the great conga in the sky. Nivedano is still living in the Brazillian jungle. Me? Well, I am waiting on someone to appear for a private meditation class. Unbeknown to them they are a guinea pig for my revamped, rebooted, supercharged, remixed version of the Nadabrahma meditation. I am positively humming in anticipation.
Friends,
Enjoyed as the freshly stigmatized ´tonta´, Kavita’s poetic, orgasmic ramblings in the virtual garden, seeing a Clint Eastwood boots comrade looking for pruning and telling the world at large what is what (as pretty usual).
But the most, as a German tonta, I could relate to Prem Martyn’s ‘swan’ episodes in ten points.
While I would say the last point (not really a question like the preceding ones) or that which real AMIGOS then call ´EXISTENCE´ – or better said, how fruit lovers like to make ´Nature´ their playing field of efficiency and show up as crown of creation (man). Well, so much was in it to hear and to see in-between the lines.
By coincidence, today the gardening firm came pruning the hedges here. And I also saw some of the English operating ´amigos´ and their wives on their bikes, that I haven’t seen for quite a while here in Munich.
Was your yesterday´s ´Nadabrahma´, Lokesh, appreciated much by your, how you put it, “pigeons”?
I guess it was fun, wasn´t it?
Madhu, Tonta
P.S:
For Prem Martyn:
Swans, always known also as very aggressive ´people´ sometimes…
And thank you especially for your creative writing today – I won´t say “it makes my day”, but it comes close to that nowadays when sometimes only satire works to touch PAIN about inter-human-traffic and more….
P.P.S:
I leave at the issue (Veeresh and more), although it does partly belong to the next one, the garden.
Can someone define what ‘Tonta’ means, please?
Nothing to do with the Lone Ranger, presumably?
It`s the feminine form of `tonto`, meaning stupid in Spanish, isn`t it?
Madhu, Nadabrahma XXXL went great. Simple and straight to el pointo.
And some P.S. for Master Lokesh:
It was said (in the Bible) that the non-vegan one (sorry, Prem Martyn), slaughtered and later praised as religion Founder, cursed a fig tree because it was not bearing fruit enough.
Imagine!
So your way of telling what is what and how to COPE (gardening) is thoroughly on safe footing
Congratulations, from a female Tonta,
Madhu
And Jehovah Dagmar Frantzen was deeply angered by the sins of the Sodomites and Gommorah-ites who took not her words of wisdom at all seriously, and spoke thus unto the Babylonian Clint Eastwood lookalike Lokesh:
“Thou hast evilly stigmatised my only begotten prophet, Madhu!
How she suffers with her hands and feet bleeding from the unprovoked attacks of the violent, aggressive rapists MEN of SannyasNews and their hateful, fawning female supporters such as Kavita-Whore of Babylon!
Thou, who is filled with unholy pride and walks in the manner of one who hast the buttocks of an ape will pay in Hell and thou wilt have the end of thine dick cut off and be thrown into eternal flames for thine apostasy at cursing with the arrogance of Satan on a motorbike the fig-tree of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords!
Oh miserable generation of sinners!”
Listen thou to Maddy’s wise words for they are of thine eternal salvation!
Amen.
I do so much enjoy a bit of tontorias.
YES, Friends, ´tonta´ I had to look into the dictionary as you all could have done.
Tonta means more than stupid, idiot also.
So I often have to look into the dictionary to get close at what is aimed and then I look also underneath, look for the hidden as to my best ´tonta´ abilities.
Madhu
To me, Veeresh and his power of love creates confusion in me. Maybe it is just not my house. Maybe because I don’t know what love is…
Anyway, I lived in Veeresh place for more than 3 years, somewhere between ’84 and ’88. I came there totally fucked up. I was an angry and scared woman. In Rajneeshpuram somebody told me that The Humaniversity would be great for me, so I went.
After doing for years one group after the other, the staff told me I was not allowed to do any more groups because I would know all the groups inside out. Instead of getting cured I would become more and more afraid. So the staff asked me that I should go back to the marketplace.
I had been for a short while a staff member in the Humaniversity myself. When I became a staff member I thought, finally I can encounter everything that makes me so afraid (in the Humaniversity-student time I was not allowed to express my doubts, that’s why I could not go beyond my fears). But when I encountered my doubts in the first staff meeting I was in, I found the whole staff screaming at me, “How did you dare to have criticism?”
I totally retired again into my shell and left after a while the Humaniversity with only one thing in my head, “I must be the most stupid person in the world”, and only the fact that I had to take care of my child stopped me from doing suicide.
By leaving I got the message that I was not allowed to go to Osho because I was not ripe for that, and I was not allowed to go the Osho Center in Amsterdam because that center was not good in their eyes. Now I think they just said that because I was a bad advertisement for them.
Anyway, after months of suicidal tendency I had the courage to go to Osho anyway. I wrote/gave my complaining story. Osho put me back on my feet. For one of the things I heard Osho say, “Even when the whole world is against you, your truth is the only truth that counts”, I say “THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MY BELOVED MASTER.” I feel that since then I am riding on His wave of energy. He saved truly my life and intrinsically the life of my son.
I am always happy when I meet people who are happy with the Osho Humaniversity family. To hear that it is not all bad makes me feel happy. With part of the staff I could speak my heart out (thank you so much because I really needed it) but not with Veeresh (yet).
Most strange for me is that in the Osho Humaniversity they mostly do the AUM. But if you leave the Osho Humaniversity, you nearly nowhere can do the AUM. One is always depending on some people organizing it.
I always wonder why the staff of the Osho Humaniversity don’t teach the people Osho Kundalini, Osho Nadabrahma, Osho Nataraj, Osho Evening Meditation, Osho Vipassana and so on. These are meditations most people can do in their own house, alone or with a few other people.
I remember somebody came for a few days in our Osho Mevlana Commune after having done the month-long ‘Waauw’ in the Humaniversity and he had never heard of any Osho active meditation. He did in our house for the first time in his life Osho Dynamic Meditation. He did for the first time Osho Evening Meditation. To me, this leaves me behind in a kind of shock. How is it possible that after one month of therapy, people don’t know anything of Osho meditation?
Then something more strange. I don’t know if my memory is accurate but this is what I remember. Osho gave Veeresh the AUM meditation, originally 2 (or 3?) days positivity, 2 (or 3?) days negativity and then 2 days of silent sitting.
First of all, most of the silent sitting we didn’t get. To me, this group was very strong because never in my life I got 2 days of positivity and to receive then 2 days of negativity afterwards was very hard to digest. So I understand why Osho includes silent sitting.
Anyway, I guess Veeresh didn’t like it and he created the AUM (a bit) how it is now (in that time without silence). Veeresh went with his own AUM creation to Osho and as it is in my memory, Veeresh came back a bit disappointed because Osho (as I remember) had said to him something like, “It is good, but not good enough. And don’t bring it here to the East.” Now I am wondering who brought the AUM to Osho’s Resort after Osho left the body.
Now my opinion about the AUM:
To me, especially the first stage, where people have to use other people for loud dumping of their shit onto each other, is bad. I see in our commune that the people who are, in a therapeutic way, conditioned in dumping shit onto each other, can also not hold their anger in real life, which creates a hard life for the other residents.
Me too, it took me years to understand that I have to take responsibility for my own emotions. As a child and teenager I was conditioned in expressing my anger loudly and then I got this conditioning again in the Humaniversity. Very bad, very sad.
I think that in a world where violence gets more and more intense, we all need to learn to express our too much emotions in a structure, as Osho teaches us in Osho Dynamic Meditation.
Thanks for bothering to make this long contribution, Tarangita.
It adds to the debate, and is based on real experience of living in the Humaniversity.
SN considers that Veeresh tied his boat to Osho’s ocean liner, and rode the wake of it. His AUM meditation and other practices are not really mainstream Osho, though they may have their own validity – but certainly for a subset of people, not all.
Really one of the most fitting contribution for this string.
Thanks for sharing, Tarangita!
I think I know you from facebook too. If you are the same, even more thanks, as many contributors have the tendency to use Any name for this platform.
“Maybe because I don’t know what love is”
Tarangita, Lovey,
You are with that Not-Knowing in very, very good company.
However, rare are those (like you), who bring some light up on some collective ´shades of grey´ with an honest and courageous report about particles of truths, declared as inconvenient.
Thank you for taking this effort .
I am touched. Very much so.
And I wish you and also your child, who might be a ´grown-up´ by now, all the best.
Love,
Madhu
Madhu, this isn’t meant to be ‘nasty’ in any way, and I expect you’re far from the only one, but if you don’t know what love is then why sign off all your posts with “Love, Madhu”?
Perhaps you should rather put ‘Longing for love, Madhu’? As Prince Charles famously mused, in response to Diana saying she was “in love” with him: “whatever love is”…But I suspect you do know what it is (isn’t it what you essentially are, especially as a female?) – it’s just its apparent ‘external scarcity’ that bothers you…
I wonder whether you view this as the ‘fault’ of others, eg the entire male (and/or female) species, ‘the world’ and its insane values, and/or your parents, or how ‘collective Sannyas’ has changed, or ‘Circumstances’, or ‘Chance’ – or, on another level, the all-pervasive absence out there of genuine, unattached, impersonal, ‘cool’ spiritual love?
The love you make is equal to the love you take.
No, Satyadeva, you are not nasty by your comments on my contribution I posted to Tarangita (in an open space).
I meant what I expressed it that way in THIS response you refer to.
You offer a load of associations in your response, some as questions, some not. I wouldn´t say you are wrong, and wouldn´t say you are right either.
Just at the moment, I can say, sometimes the word ´love´ just comes, sometimes not; I don´t feel habituated in it – but going to increase my awareness of this.
So – not easy to practise, to write down….word salad…sorry, it’s late.
(Came home, have been very touched by the work about war issues by Israeli young film makers).
Tomorrow not really time for sharing here, sitting before the computer.
Thank you for the reminder.
Good night, good morning, have a good day.
Madhu
BeLoved Satyadeva, oefff-sharp-you-are and you made me laugh too with your LOVE-response towards Madhu. Anyway, I feel the love~warmth of Madhu in her response towards me.
I am aware that I don’t know from my own experience what UNconditional love is. (Do you know?). That’s why, when somebody says “I am enlightened”, as Veeresh proclaims, or when Veeresh talks about the Power of his Love, I have the tendency to (still) doubt my own feelings. Because when you are enlightened, you speak Truth…Happily, I get more and more in a kind of state, “Right or wrong, just fucking say what you feel, spontaneous, irrational.”
Over 60, my hormones are mellowed down, and now I realize that I have often confused hormones with love.
Even so, I don’t know what unconditional love is, I often end up my letters with, “with love, Tarangita”, just because I love it.
When I was living in the Humaniversity I used to write, “love~hate, Tarangita”, but this was not allowed from the staff. As scared~obedient I was in that time, I stopped this and forgot all about it, until now….haaha.
With love,
Tarangita
Love/hate. Good, Tarangita. Try using it again. Feels authentic to me.
I know warmth well;
and good will, and affection,
and even, feel awkward to admit, tenderness.
Conversely, I know scorn.
I know eye-narrowing ill will.
I know cold, watchful, don’t come near me coldness.
Enjoyed your posts. ｡oﾟ】ヽ(･´ω｀･｡)ﾉﾞ
“…The love you make is equal to the love you take…”
Parmartha, that kind of ´mathematical equation´ seems so convincing; especially when we communicate in bits and bytes – but quite often with very irrational outcomes (results), results we could have never even imagined (before) so far.
Also, I came to know it from the mouth of (western) people, declaring me ´my karma´…(forgetting theirs) when pontificating…
However – lucky us – we came to know about the ´uncertainty of relation(s)´ and even more so, lucky us, to meet a Master – and some of us, other Masters too – we have been gifted to meet.
Last week, before each contribution of some very young film-makers (story-tellers) about life-situations worldwide, one can say, there has been always the same pre´fix´to look at:
There was (black on white) the one sentence to look at:
“EXPECT THE UNEXPECTABLE”.
I loved that, yes, I loved that, took it as a reminder; watched my watching as to my best capacity – which is not very much developed, I have to confess. So often, I just forget that I am attending a ´movie´. SO – it is of great help for me that afterwards we can see, feel and experience the film makers themselves. (That´s what I love about the screenings).
We – here – don´t have that – at least most of us (at least me) I know don´t have that possibility. So – in a way, it feels sometimes more about ‘GAME’.
Please, don´t mistake me. I love your contributions, and as ´times´ go by, trust as a flavour I enjoy too.
Madhu