Devageet observes something unusual from his place behind the dental chair:
(Precised from Swami Devageet’s book “Osho: The First Buddha in the Dental Chair”)
After one dental session I noticed something unusual. Osho had stopped speaking. But both his hands were palm upwards with the index finger of each hand forming a circle with the thumb next to it. It was a traditional yoga mudra of meditation, and I had never witnessed Osho using it before.
While I was just sitting silently the right hand was still. But as soon as I closed my notebook and began to think the finger circle opened. Strange. I began to notice that when my mind was silent Osho’s hand was in the mudra, but when I began to think, the hand opened! Also from time to time he turned his palm downwards and gently wagged his index finder, seemingly at me, in what appeared to be amused admonishment.
My dental assistant at that time was Ashu seated in view of Osho’s left hand who had also just observed the mudra. I discussed this with her before the next dental session, which was on the evening of the same day, and we agreed an experiment and to share observations. As far as we could tell, when we were preoccupied, or in my case deliberately so by thinking of a mathematical puzzle, Osho reflected it in his hand movements. And the hands were independent, they were not synchronised, but simply reflected what was going on in the “minds”, behind his right and left shoulder!
Osho never once alluded to this silent game, seemingly in touch with both of us simultaneously. I never really knew whether Osho could read our minds, or even if he could, was interested to do so, but he sure could tell when our minds were “thinking” or were silent.
That’s only an extension of picking up a vibe.
In reverse, I’ve been treated by dentists who I felt at ease with,
others I did not like being around
and I’m an easy dental patient.
As I have just recently experienced major dental surgery
being told to be not an easy patient at all
and feeling hands as other expressions accompanying that
I feel just now grateful for your natural response, Arpana -
(your compass is working is it? – for you at least -
but I have been grateful for the inspiration of a reminder…)
As far as the mudra is concerned (painted here)
the meaning of that is quite beautiful : “seal of life” or “seal of sun”
with the promised effect to balance energies, health and vitality including support for bodily tissues.
(I googled for a superficial understanding)
The other realm touched is very intimate ogf meeting two disciples with their spiritual master
and I really do not want to get into any fantasies of this
if the two of that don’t want that themselves here in the chat
It was relief to listen inside (read) your answer, Arpana
and it was relief also to become more acquainted with the world of mudras which, as far as classical yoga postures are concerned, have never been practised by myself.
what I know more is how that felt sometimes when I have been lost in the dance
or the strong feeling of the positioning of the arms and hands in the Sufi whirling.
that’s the inner compass Iremembered when i saw your new “outfit”, Arpana
You are quite creative in ever-changing, are you ?
I address you with
“seal of the sun”
to stay in tune with the here-now-thread….
Madhu
Namaste.
Devageet says, ‘Osho could read our minds, or even if he could, was interested to do so’.
Osho could read people’s minds as easily as you are reading this now. I don’t see it as such a big deal. I’m over being surprised if people can read my thoughts. I read mine every day and I can assure you they are mostly uninteresting and certain ones repeat themselves endlessly. Personally, I’d rather read a good book. Perhaps that is why Osho had such a big library…he was fed up reading the shite in people’s heads.
Some Mudra expert (maybe Upnita?) can no doubt enlighten us.
There seem a number of mudras similar to the one that Osho used, but none listed that I can see that mention the “digital” finger meeting with the thumb as mentioned by Devageet.
There are others that seem to link the ring finger to the thumb, etc. Of course, Devageet might have got it wrong.
http://www.buddhas-online.com/mudras.html
Aah, Lokesh – heartwarming your joking about reading minds and thoughts as such…
Yesterday evening looking at TV I made it hardly through a discussion of neuro-linguistic computertomographing science with a big, big data collecting to inspire (maybe) pharmacists (as well as secret service agents and other militarists) to read as well as trigger “minds and thoughts” of probands
One of them confessed that in the nineties they had been confident to “read” accurately
but nowadays are taught that our billion nerve cells and synapses data is so complex and yet unknowable in its surprises of happenings of linking (CT-blinking…) that one has to bow down to reality unknown and start again
with less vanity
sorry to say that the one and only woman expert in that round was a big data fetishist – …..
I felt kind of exhausted at the end and homesick again for a sannyas culture
as I know that (neuro-biological) manipulation of mind states (and thoughts) connected to that
is ONE of the major ambitions of this new phase of biological “human engineering” and its businesses, and not only conferring to nice experiments
Be glad you live on a beautiful island surrounded by nature
The love affair Osho shared to and with his books and to and with us though
was – as far as I experienced it -
one part of the love affair happening in the gathering as such
and helping to get the silence better working
and to enjoy
and to inspire for some streching of the mind
like yoga too
Books I find very precious sometimes
although I feel “the empty book” makes the run…after all
A smile to your post and to those who posted
from Madhu
What does this hand gesture mean in Icons?
http://iconreader.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/what-does-this-hand-gesture-mean-in-icons/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vena_amoris
It is a diver’s signal to a buddy, symbolizing that everything is very okay.
Osho could read people´s minds and therefore he built his inner circle with the people who were past life enemies, born to rub each other’s nose with their ass.
Has Devageet mentioned somewhere, who kicked him out from his position?
As I know from India, Dentists are a class lower than M.D. docs.
I can imagine physician and dentist were doing their best with the master patient but their personal vibes were as close as Labour party with IRA.
Shantam, what happened to the sabbatical you were gonna take? Minds cannot be read, don’t be silly.
“Osho never once alluded to this silent game….”
A lot of strange things used to happen around Osho. Perhaps something did happen during the event described above, or perhaps did not. I doubt very much that whatever happened is what is said above. I feel that Devageet (and his teeth philosophy) is a bit of a cuckoo.
Thanks for reminding me about my sabbatical period, BV.
As you can see, for last weeks, I am writing average one post per day, very rarely two. I felt this is more balanced approach.
And I also felt, no need to run away, when many writers on all Osho forums are focused with the massage and dozen kinds of other massages (I think Devageet does some kind of colour massage), someone needs to be there to remind, not to ignore the tumours.
Anyone who writes a book about Osho and does not give the commentary on Present can be termed as cunning or coward first class (at least, in my eyes).
This discussion is staring at his finger pointing to….
And Devageet’s OWN theories with his “Dental treatment enlightenment” is pure imagination and mindfucking. The most boring book of any of these sannyas books.
The truth is that at the moment nobody believes – for a reason – any of the people’s stories who were close to Osho. As long as they keep silent about the real story, none of these graph is of any interest to anybody and nobody. That is the fact. The barrier is there and keeps growing bigger.
The point is, Fresch, that Osho was, just like everyone else you meet, a reflection of yourself. The difference between Osho and most everyone else on the planet was that he gave a very clear reflecton. The bottom line is that you only understand the other to the extent that you understand yourself.
You declare, “The barrier is there and keeps growing bigger.” Someone else might see it entirely diferantly and it is possible that neither of you are seeing what actually is. As you are, so appears the world.
Don’t you think that I wouldn’t know that? What a cliché.
Fresch, I am quite sure you know this, but going by some of your comments it would appear that you don’t really understand it, or else I would not have bothered to wrte it.
Defending a cliché with a cliché is a bit lazy. However, I do not involve myself with SD kind of argumentative approach (=I am right, I am right, you are wrong, you are wrong) more than this. So, it’s ok.
Only losers win in this game.
Fresch, if you don’t want to be confronted with others’ critical responses to what you write then I suggest you look more carefully at what you say.
As people have invariably pointed out that often enough both your views and your defence of them are inadequate, my sense is that by retreating from any ‘difficult’ debate you’re simply making yourself feel ‘comfortable’, ‘saving face’, as it were, pretending to yourself that you’re ‘above it all’, while denigrating me, for example, for attempting to persist, to get to the bottom of the matter. That, or you’re just lazy.
Whatever, it looks like a classic avoidance ploy.
SD, I am not denigrating you, I do the opposite, see you as equal. I answer to you as I would to any of my friends. So, pls clarify a bit more how would I get to the bottom of my issue?
You need me to tell you that?!
Ok, just re-read my last few posts to you, look dispassionately at how you respond, or rather, choose not to respond.
Just take an honest, non-judgmental look and see whether there’s any truth in what I (and others) have said to you.
Bravo, fresch for giving the right punch to cliché maker.
It shows a clear generation gap!
But Shantam, you yourself are a Living Cliché!
You like to erect (sorry, Freudian slip) a smokescreen of obscure metaphors, but behind that erection (there goes Freud again, will he ever learn?!) invariably lies an entire landscape of the utterly predictable.
You’ve managed to fashion, to erect yourself with your own hands (one might say) into a medium for the most crushingly repetitious boredom.
Surely, even at your age, you can somehow manage to inspire a greater, more dynamic erection?!
‘Generation gap’ was a phrase coined during the sixties. It had to do with major changes going on in the social structure and new ideas of the youth that the old folks found unacceptable.
When you get down to it there is no such thing as a generation gap in sannyas, because it has to do basically with our inner life and that is universal and timeless.
Sitting with Osho in darshan it was an important point to note that his love affected everyone, regardless of age. He often used cliched phrases, but that does not mean to say they did not carry a punch. In fact, he reinvigorated cliches and gave them new meaning. Had he used the words, ‘you only understand the other to the extent that you understand yourself’, directly to you sitting at his feet in darshan you would probably have had a life-changing experience.
Now, Shantam, you read it here on SN and it’s a cliche that needs putting in its place. All that shows me is that you only understand the other to the extent that you understand yourself.
Deevy Git, our favourite Osho Tooth Fairy, has provided us with yet another classical fairy story from his bestselling ‘Tales of Mystery & Imagination in the Osho Ashram’, to complement Subhuti’s ‘Dancing with a Madman’ (himself…Subhuti, if it’s not clear to some of you!), from the same genre, and written around the same time, by two undisputed masters of the art of grovel.
Now, I would venture to say that the reason Osho stayed silent at the end of the dental session referred to in the fairy story, is down to self-preservation. I mean, you wouldn’t say anything negative to somebody who would be sticking needles and electric drills in your mouth on a future occasion, would you?
That Osho limited himself to what D.Git thought was “wagging his finger in amused admonishment” was possibly in fact Osho’s way of delivering some disapproval, without going overboard at the time.
Only losers win in this game.
“You should be thankful, you frozen mind.
By kicking you out, I am making you a winner.”
Is it a way of life or a Zen quan?
SD, no. Be clear if you want any answer.
Oh dear, Fresch, now you’re doing it again!
Are you ‘addicted’ or ‘attached’ to avoiding perfectly answerable questions?
It would appear so.
SD, pls leave the ”Nymphomaniac” behind and go for the ”American Splendour”. I am sure you would love that approach much more. Do not avoid it.
Copping out and having the last
word at the same time.
Impressive.
If you mean Fresch’s ‘Nymphomaniac’ post (3.13pm today) then I agree, Arpana. Except I’d add ‘un’ to your final word.
(Btw, Fresch, I have no idea what you’re on about here, your response being, as so often, off the point, irrelevant, avoiding the issue while pretending to ‘add something’ to the discussion).
Its both in a way.
Impressive is the faux innocent tricksy
fish on a hook committed to avoiding the issue shtick
Unimpressive is the faux innocent tricksy fish on a hook committed to avoiding the issue shstick, if you see what I mean.
(Could do with an emoticon for one eye brow raised quizzically. )
SD, you are having the final word, together with Arpana, two men attacking a poor woman writer. Should I go on my knees asking for understanding, clarity from wise men? How about being in “The Unbearable Lightness of Being”? Just light into our selves.
Well played, Fresch.
Manipulation.
The game is yours.
I try not be too serious, arps, that’s all.
Another classic avoidance strategy, much loved and employed by multitudes of sannyasins, when the going gets tough, ie too tough for ‘comfort’….
You simply don’t get it, do you, Fresch?
“Blind they are, they do not see!”.
Are you really that ‘thick’? I wouldn’t think so, but on current evidence you appear to be just that. I mean, playing the “two men attacking a poor woman” card!!
Truly pathetic. Go on, tell us you were only ‘havin’ a larf’….
That’s a joke, hello, relax, man.
Honestly, SD, you are a sweet soul, but I cannot help but tease you, just a little bit..
More classic bullshine.
See how you’ve tried to weave your manipulative little web so that the original issue gets lost and the discussion degenerates into irrelevant claptrap (where you feel more ‘comfortable’).
SD, have you considered the possibility of enjoying being manipulated?
As Shantam said, only losers win at this game.
Pure bullshine, Vartan!
Manipulative bullshine at that.
Correction!
Sorry:
The mudra depicted in the line drawing above is not the mudra that Osho was said to have used by Devageet. The one Devageet mentions touches the index finder, not the ring finger to the thumb.