To folks who call themselves ‘Sannyasins…’ from Harideva. (Viha Connection Board Member)
A Wake up call to Subhuti and other friends… A case of the“Pot calling the kettle ‘black’…”
It’s a well known fact, but seldom acknowledged publicly, that anyone who is leading workshops, giving sessions or collecting future clients in the Pune Resort, must sign the famous ‘letter of agreement’ written up by Jayesh. This ‘Letter’ declares that all those who sign must agree that Jayesh is in charge of “… all things Osho…”
Any of these people who openly associate with me or support Viha, of which I am a board member, or stand up against the rule of Jayesh are immediately banned. Subhuti sent me the following letter last week…
Hi Harideva,
Let me try to make my ‘position’ clear. I do not support you, neither overtly, nor covertly. I do not agree with your politics. I have no desire to replace the current management in Pune with any other management. When I said to you that I cannot publicly acknowledge you because it would create problems with the Pune management, I was being polite. The truth is: I don’t feel like acknowledging you at all. If I wanted to, I would. This doesn’t mean I support Jayesh and his group. I dislike some of their policies and have told them so. The truth is: I don’t support any group or faction. My relationship with Osho is what it has always been: a one-to-one connection. All other relationships are unimportant, accidental and irrelevant. I value the quality of meditation in the Osho Auditorium. To me, it’s the best place to meditate in the world. But I really don’t care who runs the resort/ashram/commune. I’m 68 years old and for reasons that are all-too-human, such as laziness, I have yet to experience the dissolution of the Self into the Absolute. That is my only concern and the focus of my life. Goodbye, Subhuti…
Now, on the surface this looks like a pretty clear and straight forward and even ‘touching’ letter with no ‘charge’ or hidden motives. Why then did we find Subhuti so often sitting at my sunset meditation in front of Petes, on Osho beach (in Goa?) , smiling so beautifully? He was fucking enjoying himself- that’s why! Why did he come to Omistico and enjoy the beautiful evenings smiling so beautifully. What he WAS doing was enjoying events and situations that I created, so one would understandably ask Subhuti ‘If you so strongly don’t support Harideva, why do you keep going to his events where so many others enjoy along with you?. And poor Subhuti is not alone. There are several other ‘old-timers’ who must hide their faces and intentions whenever a group photo is taken at my events and meditations… And we do have many pictures and videos of you and others enjoying Subhuti, so don’t hide the fact that you are saying one thing and enjoying quite another thing.
I cannot imagine Osho condoning such cowardly behavior — but then again, Osho was not the sort to assert such judgments, But he was never shy to call a spade a spade. Subhuti’s assuming that I play ‘politics’ is absurd. Here’s how absurd; Imagine a guy you don’t know walks up to you on a beautiful sunny day and punches you in the face. You ask him why, and he says nothing. He then punches you in the face again and you punch him back a good one. He cries out “Why did you start a fight with me?” This is the absurdity of what is now happening. These cowardly friends are starting a new campaign and calling it “Sanyasins shouldn’t sue each other in court…”. What is clearly happening here is this: after the recent joke and the failed attempt of forging an ‘Osho Will’ by lawyer Niren under the directives of Jayesh, Yogendra and Amrito, Vatayana et all and because their backs are against the wall in European courtrooms from lawsuits that THEY started years back- Let me repeat FROM THE LAWSUITS THAT THEY STARTED YEARS AGO’… they are now shouting “…please don’t hurt me and don’t sue me…’
It is quite simply the whining and squealing of a school bully who finally gets a taste of what they have been doing to others for years. It is they who are the politicians in this story, and if Subhuti didn’t enjoy all the money he makes cutting editing and ghost writing deals within the walls of the resort, he might find a bit more courage to really grow up. And yes Subhuti, we have been told how much money you make there by people who have paid you for your ghost writing and editing, so grow up and grab yer balls and get honest. And you are not alone in this Subhuti, many other ‘therapists’ are cutting the same deals and nobody wants to ‘rock the boat…’ If you and others support Jayesh and HIS politics, they (Jayesh) is more than willing to look the other way and let you carry on your business… And that’s the way it is. I do predict that there will come a day when Sanyasins can reignite that large community fire and help create a real ‘Meeting place of friends’. For this to happen, the rotten crew of Jayesh and company will need to go. They will need to stop the banning and they will need to stop the lawsuits and the secret back room theft of Osho’s property, paintings and writings. They remain in power because of the silences and the ‘deal cutting’ of people like Subhuti. The day is not far away when the clouds will clear and the sun will shine again…
Lovebaba
Harideva -
I have yet to experience the dissolution of the Self into the Absolute. That is my only concern and the focus of my life. Goodbye, Subhuti.
My concern. My life. My enlightenment. My my…. Seems the old paradigms are still in place in Subhuti’s world view.
Lovebaba concludes, The day is not far away when the clouds will clear and the sun will shine again.
It is already shining.
I value the quality of meditation in the Osho Auditorium. To me, it’s the best place to meditate in the world. But I really don’t care who runs the resort/ashram/commune.
With this kind of highly selfish motive the man thinks he will dissolve his self in the absolute.
My God!
It is really like, ” I know someone on the bike poured acid on a woman´s face. I saw it but could not stop. I was getting late to my shift in central police station.”, this was the answer, when next day journalist asked the question.
Shining here perhaps?! Harideva’s place in Goa.
Omistico
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Looks like a sweet scene. The music is a bit naff.
I am not getting any of it. It all reads like bla bla.
Yes, and when someone signs off with “lovebaba” then I’m afraid any interest I might have tends to almost instantly evaporate!
Seems like God has blacklisted the neo sannyasins from hell as well as heaven.
Logic given is, ” They are too smart. I have no idea to argue with them for what so ever reason. When little dicks think, they can roar like lions, best way is to ignore them.”
Really I have never seen such pathetic politics and that too from the people, who claim to read and hear the newest versions of Bible; not one but many.
My first comment was a flippant joke. Now I am paying attention to what I find to be an interesting article, although not for the obvious reasons.
I was never close to Lovebaba or Subhuti, but as young men I was aquainted with them from a distance. Taking that into account, I am not at all surprised to see what kind of people they have turned into in their later years.
Now we have a holy spat. In the ‘holier than thou’ corner we have Subhuti in the orange shorts. In the ‘lets have a party’ corner we have Lovebaba in the rainbow-coloured shorts. The Tibetan bell dongs and the spat begins.
Harideva is on the attack immediately…employing well known facts.
Subhuti is on the defensive, taking the moral high ground.
The party people roar in support of their champion. Harideva, they chant.
Subhuti rallies and delivers some blistering one-to one Osho punches. A small group of shaven-headed supoorters chant om to raise the energy levels.
What a scrap this is turning out to be.
HD fires off a quick burst of character asassination jabs backed up by yet another blisstering salvo of well-known facts.
Subhuti fights back with a broadside of escoteric mumbo jumbo that leaves HD momentarily dazed.
The crowd is going wild.
HD resorts to old-fashioned sannyasin tactics, bringing Osho quotes in to back up his viscious blows. And here and now it appears to be having an effect.
Subhutis is left wondering if he hasn’t bitten off more than he can chew and spits out his mouth guard, the realization hitting him right between the eyes that after living for 68 years, much of which was spent in search of the truth, why did he not simply KO his opponent straight away with a Zen response such as ‘is that so’. Too late now. He sticks to the moral high ground and it might just pay off. HD is tiring, it’s uphill all the way and his blistering assault has been reduced to a weak fussilade of sannyasin street tactics and cliched moves that simply are not cutting the spiritual mustard.
The crowd begins to boo.
Hold on though. What’s this? Subhuti has just made a fundamental mistake. He believes his attack is the best in the world. That his feet are positioned on the best spot in the ring and, as any wise man will tell you, any spot is holy ground if you have the eyes to see it. He is only standing where he is because that is where he needs to be, others will see it differantly. And they do.
The crowd’s booing intensifies.
HD continues to huff and puff, but there is little or no indication that he will actually manage to blow his opponent’s temple down. Negative energy is starting to ooze from his bruised lips. You can’t help but sympathize with the rebellious spiritual warrior. Letting his shorts down in such a public place might take some time for him to live down.
Subhuti is also showing signs that all is not well. There is a bad cut leaking psychic energy from his third eye. He won’t be entering Nirvana any time soon with a grumpy face like that.
The ref has forced his way between the battling brawlers. Tonight Osho is wearing an Armani floor-length gown in ultramarine. His head is adorned with a Gandhi cap, dyed a tantric red. He soon has the exhausted combatants back in their respective corners. A hush falls over the stadium. Referee Osho’s voice is low but miraculously manages to reach everyone’s ears as he says, ‘Enough for today’ He smiles enigmatically and then raises his ajoined palms in a namaste. Everyone bows their head, including our two beligerant brawlers who continue to shed psychic plasma from their exposed chakras.
The house lights go on and slowly the spectators begin to disperse, filtering into the exit aisles. Ref Osho floats over to each of the spiritual warriors and says a few words that only the spiritual warriors are privy to. Somehow Osho has yet again worked his magic, for moments later the two fighters are to be seen in the middle of the ring sharing a prolonged hug. Down in the front stalls a few female fans can be heard openly weeping. Osho drifts over to them and in a gentle voice says, ‘If those two clowns had practiced non-identification like I taught them then this holy spat would never have take place. Try and learn from their mistake.’
Kaboom! There is a blinding flash and ref Osho disappears without a trace. Not only that, so does everyone and everything else. All that remains is a warm and gentle breeze with a cuckoo calling from some place unseen.
Thank you Lokesh. Now is none the clearer, but at least it’s funnier.
“Sannyasin Street Tactics”? It sounds Jehova Witness-esque. “Psst, wanna get enlightened?
Wanna get enlightened?
Reliable sources have informed me that enlightenment cannot be got. Pity, it sounded so cool, man.
So I’ve decided to be a cosmic surfer when I grow up and that way I’ll be able to fly through the multiverse at hyper warp in order to visit all my far flung friends and relatives.
If you carry on like this Loki I might have to copy/paste an Osho quote.
I promise I won’t do it again.
One of your best efforts there, Lokesh, most amusing.
That is one superb commentary , Loki !
Thank e kindly, sir.
Saludos Kavita.
I tried to be there, in pune, ignoring, damping the feeling. And it was saddest time of my life, for not any particular reason or detail. I am not a role model for anybody, but I just had to at least not participate.
It is one-to-one relationship with osho, I do agree. And meditation is for your self only, but..
A while ago I saw this documentary about normal people from Austria commenting their attitudes and even more so behaviour during the war living next to the Nazi concentration camps. It was amazing, they would walk to their normal jobs and there would be corpses on the side of the road. They were sharing, very innocently, why they did not feel anything and did not do anything, not even move away from the area.
Okay, this is a drastic example and I do not want to put too harsh mark on anybody. Also, all the other psychologist tests have shown the same kind of behaviour. But for me it’s really illusion to think you are dissolving anywhere in current pyramid and being so well aware of misdoings. It’s just not possible and therefore the pune saga is drying out by itself – however long time that takes. What is rotten inside is so, no matter how many people you bribe.
After Hugh Milne, people must have signed legal contract to keep silence. It seems the only explanation to this strange energy when everybody can see what is happening and nobody talks. If it was osho’s wish he just destroyed his own thing himself.
Harideva’s project seems to have the sannyas feeling in it. (I checked) he is also practising transparency at grassroots level at his place. so, let’s see.
It is pity neither the editor nor most of the boyish writers have any idea, why someone like Subhuti will put his self esteem and opinion aside so that he does not miss the chance to participate in meditation activities in Osho Auditorium.
The atmosphere is just not of this earth!
This unique atmosphere is built by Osho and His people and in Buddha Hall too it was far out, but because Osho Auditorium oozes zen aesthetics to its max; its really unexplainable.
For this, I must touch the feet of Jayesh; it is really a disciple´s homage to His master.
As Editor I do not understand this comment at all. Perhaps the moderator could help?
MOD: IT SEEMS SHANTAM IS EMPHASISING THE SUPREME VALUE OF PLACES OF RELIGIOUS PILGRIMAGE (PRESUMABLY INCLUDING THE PUNE ASHRAM), DUE TO THEIR POWER TO EVOKE DEVOTIONAL EMOTION / EMOTIONAL DEVOTION.
WOULD THAT BE ABOUT RIGHT, SHANTAM?
Thanks Mod.
If that is the case, then places of pilgrimage do have a certain power. One can go to Walsingham or Ely in the UK, and they do have a qualitative tranquillity above the local Tesco’s.
Dont know why Shantam tries to have a go at the Editor in that context? I refute his last post. He has the wrong target.
If Shants is also trying to say that Subhuti in cherishing such a charged place to meditate is willing to ignore the politics of the Pune ashram – just to get that sort of fix – so be it. When in double bind situations, we all make strange pacts with the devil.
It is also a fact, to feel like Subhuti, one needs to spend years in that atmosphere, which is basically impossible any more for someone new in the line unless the person is hand picked by Mr. Jayesh.
In a way, there are not more than 15, 20 oldies like Subhuti, who still exist in Pune like the old Banyan trees.
One can see the internet site of Osho Pune and it gives the impression. Maximum one month, your life will get changed. I think after washing the car in the automate, car looks new. Who has the time and expertise to look under the bonnet?
Really unexplainable? I don’t agree, Shantam Maharishi. There is a simple explanation. Hundreds of thousands have meditated in those places during the past 40 years. Every heard of good vibes, man? What kind of atmosphere could one expect, considering the amount of positive vibratons created in those places?
Then here is the meaning and reverance people pour ino such places. You think Islamic worshipers come back from the Hajj complaining about the bad vibes or the management. I have not met a devout Muslim who went to Mecca and did not return positively glowing.
Seekers have been making pilgramages to holy spots for millenia. I recently talked to a young woman who returned from the Ramana Ashram in Tamil Nadu. She’d obviously had some sort of revelation.
I went to the closing party at Space on Ibiza last year. A veritable Mecca for clubbers from all over the planet. Every young person I met in front of the booming 100,000 watt PA system was over the moon about simply being there on that night. I, on the other hand, found it boring after a while and went home.
Here is the rub. Everyone believes that their holy spot is the holy spot. The less intelligent believers are willing to go to war over it.
You are right Shri Lokesh.
There is nothing wrong into it. People gets some kind of nourishment from their Mecca and Varanasi.
Any why should not they?
Just because Osho says Marriage is out dated, does not make it outdated.
Problem comes only with Osho High priets around, they have sucked the freedom of choice available. They are like wives who even after proper ceremony says, ” 100 Euros for half an hour, darling.”
One thing is clear, places of pilgrimage are not like apps business. Only once in a while in decades some place gets the reverence. Therefore their e commerce value is more than whatsapp!
Emotions and devotion are not like exchangeable commodities.
Subhuti used to be a well known parliamentary journalist in the UK, hence his penchant for politics so it seems.
His position would be consistent, if he, despite his great love for meditating in the Pune Resort, was not found, when it was not “busy” at the Resort, down in Goa, enjoying the atmosphere provided by Lovebaba. Why desert the greatest place in the world that might just allow you to touch some mystic union and personal disappearance cos you need to mix in some scene, where your 68 year old body might just get some exercise?
I hold no particular flag for Lovebaba, but clearly he has a point about the hypocrisy of Subhuti’s position.
I just googled and utubed Lovebaba. He is one of those that wear all-black and a mala. Ouch. About as strange as it gets, for me.
http://www.lovebaba.com/
Thanks Vartan for the link.
At least Lovebaba outfit is doing something, and in a smaller way, like Shantam’s visit to Sheela, and Viral’s quaint fast, I like that people are doing things rather than moaning and expecting others to do something.
To be honest the fact that Subhuti goes to Lovebaba events, meditations, etc surprises me. And I think Harideva has a point about him coming to Goa to enjoy the air, etc, whilst he takes a break from the Samadhi air in Pune!
dear editor – dear moderators – dear contributors
i would like to ask
if both of the now targets
subuti as well as harideva
of this chat-track are knowingly and willingly
being looking for being discussed in an english (open)data caravanserai
with their seemingly sad and queer developing and/or ending friendship?
the whole being mixed up
with the complexity also beside that – sad and very queer – and corrupt in many ways context of hard core political dealing and lots of money as power issues
around a being (and heritage) law suits and whatsoever rubbish
a being i remembered having said
“no footprints in the sky” –
it’s always WE who are the crowd then and there
commenting
bragging about
or melodramatically sometimes also like the so-called “chorus” in a greek tragedy/comedy
playing out our own issues
ALWAYS
the highly developed clownesque way to deal with the material though
may be the only way to deal with it
the post of lokesh then like some fabulous fire crackers
the context of fire cracking material though which have been delivered to use
coming from hard core chinese firms
aaah, friends
i am not so balanced just now
having listened to the news that seventy people in ukraine yesterday night
have been shot dead
while they revolted against a regime
so
what i am doing or participating in everyday life here-now
has many colours
as well as what triggers my empathy and what not
but the question i posted in the beginning has moved me
madhu
You post a question ‘in the beginning” Madhu, but quite frankly I cant understand it or what you are getting at. Please elucidate in two sentences of prose.
Madhu, stop watching TV and upsetting yourself. There is always something nasty going on, somewhere.
As for the targets, if they cannot take a bit of leg pulling, they are in the wrong cult. I still have no idea about what exactly is going on. But whatever it is I can probably learn to live without it.
The two targets, like the establishment, and those like Shantam who are so anti-establishment are actually different species of politicians.
But in common with all the pros and antis, they deny it.
The first step towards liberation is to recognise it – at the very least, and not play some game where you describe the rest of the world as political, and you as not!
Good common sense advice, Varts to Mads.
“…where you describe the rest of the world as political, and you as not!”
In one sentence, this is the collective mind of people who are attracted towards Sannyas.
To deny one´s political mind is like a living entity or a person or a race deny their waste elimination anatomy.
In a vernacular language, one can close the rectum with the wine bottle cork, surely it is not going to create a mystic out of a politician!
Although, Shantam, to know one has a “political mind” does not necessarily imply one indulges it.
Besides, people have different tendencies, many being simply uninterested in power games, which is largely what much of politics amounts to.
You, Shantam, on the other hand, appear very much drawn to such matters, which unfortunately might well indicate you’re more a sort of ‘political religionist’ (with certain racial overtones) than a genuine ‘spiritual seeker’ * (or even ‘Sikha’!).
Cue for further bullshine from you, no doubt…
(* Apologies for this awkward term, does anyone have a better one?!)
Being political is part of the human condition Shants.
The problem is badly compounded however when people self describe themselves as “not being political” or in engaging with crud about who should run the ashram, etc and they dont realise this.
The knack is to accept you are political, and begin watching it in the hope it drops away sometime.
Mystics are busy creating their own places of power in which they feel at home with the whole of existence, and those so attuned pick up on such places even when they are unknown. You would not find them arguing about the right to sit in Osho’s samadhi – when they are already basking in it somewhere else!
And anyway, Parmartha, Shantam is not against establishment, Shantam is against the fascism and monarchism.
There are masters who chose one successor who becomes the master after the original master´s death; exactly like in the monarch system.
Osho has not done something like this.
To accept the dictates of a person who fakes the will of the master is like asking the rapist, ” I want to be the mother of your child” Point
I’ve said it before, but anyway one more time. Shantam Mahaguruji creates meaning and significance in his life by fighting against the baddies in Fort Resort. It is a point of interest that Shantam is an astrologer. Osho was never one for astrology or tarot reading, well, at least not until he realised money could be made. I heard him talk against all such forms of divination on at least one ocassion, saying such practices were for people who lacked significance in their lives, which I see as being the case with Shantamji. He simply hasn’t found anything better to give his life meaning. It is a little sad but that is simply how it is.
>> Shantam is against the fascism and monarchism.
Perhaps Shantam should stop being against… ‘things’.
Shants, your enemy does not even know you exist. Your personal situation… is like an ant in Germany bothering an elephant in India. If you are looking for a problem in sannyas it is the divisions.
Earlier, I congratulated you for going to Sheela (and as it happened, what you were looking for wasn’t there). Now you feel that what you are looking for is in ‘Osho’s samadhi’ or some such holy Indian voodoo mumbo jumbo place. Don’t waste your time. It’s not there. Osho is, in his words, his image, and in the people who love him. Those are the relics. And you are the temple, if you want to be. And no fascism can stop that.
Sri Shantam is in a situation like most of us in that he is blind to his ‘chief feature’ an expression coined by Gurdieff. He simpy does not get it.
Now, here is a recipe for a good laugh: Sri Shantam and Madhu drunk and trying to have a serious conversation.
Bodhi Vartan and Lokesh attest their Egoism resulted through a pathological spiritual complex expressed by disease – typical symptoms of an arrogant form of ignorance.
Both worlds belong to meditation, spiritual as well material world – life is its bridge and we carry the responsibility for both.
Life is not a bridge, Preety, otherwise I would have known. The last time I checked it was the bit between birth and death.
Spirituality ‘can’ be expressed in words. Look at yours:
Egoism
pathological spiritual complex
disease
arrogant form
ignorance
Sorry, sometimes I get a little desperate. If I listen to the heroes of spirituality… but still the world continues to drown even deeper into blood, fear and pressure – what kind of spirituality which is not interested in Freedom. It uses spirituality and Meditation just to appease the conscience. It drives intelligent people on a holding track. Egoism is boxed through meditation and ignoring at worldly matters. But apparently seeker still does not know the enmeshment of spirituality and matter. Perhaps just this kind of spirituality prepared humanity for our present time. It left the earth into the hands of a few Materialists.
Preetam, if you join Lord Shantam and Lady Madhu for that drunken serious conversation we can have an even bigger laugh. Go on, don’t be a party pooper.
Lokesh says:
>> Now, here is a recipe for a good laugh: Sri Shantam and Madhu drunk and trying to have a serious conversation.
I would pay for the drinks.
Right then, I’m definitely in.
my yesterday s question, dear parmartha, was clear – i feel
i was asking if both – harideva as well as subhuti – with their one to one sadly ending friendship
have been willingly and consciously exposed in the thread issue in UK sannyasnews
they didn’t post it themselves here at this spot
and that is what moved me
as well as other issues
you mention to also not understand because my way of expressing is
“not prose” enough
sorry
madhu
Madame Madhu declares, ‘my yesterday s question, dear parmartha, was clear – i feel.’
I feel? Oh well then, if you feel it that must mean it was clear… being the warped logic you are applying. This is a throwback to old sannyas days when the slogan was ‘follow your feelings’. Some did, for whom that was bad advice and jumped off high buildings because they were feeling suicidal. Just because you feel something is right it does not necessarily mean it is so, being my wee message to you today.
Madhu:
Your answer then is:
Harideva posted to all “sannyasins”, and wanted his missive to be discussed.
Subhuti wrote to Harideva and would have known he would make it public.
I am not at all sure they are old friends. Subhuti is a rather “civilised” Englishman, and Harideva somewhat zealous and crazy Californian.
Subhuti wrote a book of reminiscences about his life as a sannyasin. It is called “My Dance with a Madman” (by Anand Subhuti). it is a worthwhile read for those interested. Once again if you do read it it is a reminder of my call for seeing the world as a much more “complex” place than many allow, including the world of sannyas.
thank you for the reminder, bodhi vartan – not to look too much at TV
when i am looking at sannyas news i am looking on a screen too i would like to add
looking at contributions in the media of this
without knowing most of the people posting in the flesh so to say
looking at them sometimes compiling their thoughts with youtube or graphic novellas…
yesterday evening
besides the news what elsewhere people are doing against one each other?
i saw a thoroughly and well done piece also
about the quality of “SHITSTORMING” how it is called, that came into the world by so-called social media and its use as well as abuse
i wouldn’t have missed that at all !
as the culture of communication as well as interpersonal “traffic-affairs” is going much down the drain and mutating into one of the innumerable computer GAMES
which “teach” the younger generations that humans are just fractioned bits and bytes
and the piece i saw was occupied with the consequences of this
i am glad that this kind of cultural bit more evolved media is still happening
it would be no wonder
if poetry
besides the IT phishing
poetry in the heart
disappears altogether as a way to express
so
hello out there, bodhi vartan – from madhu
PS
we all feel it anyway what and how so much is happening elsewhere
although i know that we are far less evolved than dolphins’ or whales’ brains in a way
but to give it a try to express and to oppose indifference
is worthwhile for me
since i have been a child
and that is long ago
I’d say that dolphin and whale brains have evolved in a way that human brains have not, because their environment demanded it. I have to go now. I just heard a giant squid scratching the bottom of an abyss and I’m going to dive down three thousand metre under the sea to get it, because I’m hungry.
I want to stay outside of politics; I do not want any colour flag, but what to do?
The problem is that you cannot stay outside of politics if you want to involve your self anything else but participating – anonymously the paper bag over your head, so nobody sees you – in meditations. Because every place is somebody’s enemy’s place. So you are always in the wrong place.
Even outside of pune if you want to start sharing meditations to others, you need to sign the paper or you risk getting their letters. Also if you look the other way with one lie even for a “higher course or for your lazyness”, where does it end? Or was it a lie from the beginning, what does that do to your own growth? Are you going to start lying also? What does it do to your own life?
How are you going to share your meditation if you at the same time pretend that osho gave everything to a one man? And what freedom is that you need to avoid camera if you visit enemy’s place? Is staying outside of camera, staying outside of politics? Will somebody make guidelines for staying outside of politics too? For me all that sounds – highly delusional.
Fire crackers being: there is no footprint in the sky, no osho written in the sky, but if you saw a shooting star, you can make a wish. That would be stardust.
What is collective mind?
Lokesh, Satyadeva and Bodhi Vartan together.
Are they like Zebra; with black and white strips?
No sir, They are pure white, don´t get befooled by their Indian sounding names.
Through their posts, one can get the impression, how invisible collective mind works. Surely it hurts the pride of few ladies and gentlemen to think they have some kind of collective mind which shades their individuality.
For me the best example of collective mind is when hundreds of women are walking on the beaches in Bikini and many of them are topless too.
Sure, it is not in Goa, Kerala, Karachi or Dubai.
There collective mind does not allow such kind of bad moral liberties.
So my hypothesis, during last three hundred years, western male collective mind has created industries of all kinds. Western women have created an atmosphere of collective liberty for them.
So called Seekers type males who could not fit into the proto type, went to India.
Surely Osho has embraced them as my misfits!
Shants, you are forgetting the collective subconscious. And specifically the Indian collective subconscious. Have you killed yours yet?
Please don’t play colour-games with us, we have a brown master.
The blighters been bleaching his skin for years, hoping to join the master race. The Master race! That’s a good one.
Let’s say after your death I would come to your house and tell your partner and children, you left everything to me. Thank you. Then naturally they would ask for a testament. When not having it, I would just say, let’s continue. I did not lie and if you say so, prove it. If you talk about it, you are being negative and you have to make an apology to me for fake acquisitions, focus on your own meditation, your inner, do not see the corpse on the road, it was their karma and perhaps yours too. Excuse me, it’s as if all common sense is lost. That is cult stuff. Why do I need to pound it with the hammer?
Shantam , I just can’t stop really seriously wondering why persons like yourself would make babies with white skinned women, I mean, I just don’t get it. Of course I don’t have to get everything! ( & definitely I dont expect an answer )
But Kavita, I hardly think this is er, you know, ‘rocket’ science…
Think about it….
He’s been castrated?
SD, Shantam is a very loving father , even more loving than the mothers of his children , even before he had his children he has always been a very loving person , anyway after your comment , Iam tempted to think ‘ that cant be so ‘
Well , for that info you shall have to ask his partner !
How to contact?
Where is the phone numba and stuff?
thank you so much mr. fresh
about your last lines at 7.11 pm today
reminding me to go to the bookshelf looking for carl sagan
an astronomer (n o t astrologer)
in his book about the cosmos what has been untouched and become dusty for decades i found
chapter 2
what i was remembering
so thank you for this
its a rainy day here and cold
a good moment for stardust s memories
right here on earth and on the spot i am being
madhu
In India, there are hundreds of millions of uncles, earning their wealth through common sense business. They don´t have any kind of university degrees but have an over all world knowledge through tv and print news.
They also read holy books and have one master to whom they donate generously and visit once a year.
And because they are in a stable marriage, they think they know all about life and its complexities.
Lokesh reminds me of them.
In Europe, his only lottery is that he is with a mutually satisfying relation with is wife since 30 years or so, and as a English speaking Rumanian( Scots are treated as poor cousins of British elites), he lives in Ibiza.
His wisdom, which he thinks is quite impressive, I can give 3.3 out of 10!
Satya Deva reminds me of regular Church goers, who read Bible, give almanac to their priests and have the idea, gays and homosexuals will bring destruction to the earth.”
So called Seekers of truth by condemning politics try to pretend holy, without thinking, may be they don´t have that brain to understand the complexities of human being as social creature.
There is no need that everybody becomes mathematics or chemist; but to say these subjects are dry and me and my folks are juicy ones, show very childish and immature mind.
Sorry, such people don´t have mind!
You – as so often – wilfully misunderstand what I wrote, Shantam.
I’m not necessarily condemning every single element of politics (although frankly, it’s a total minefield, an enormous and fairly useless distraction for the committed ‘seeker’ – apologies again for the s-word).
I’m saying that you appear to be immersing yourself in it, indulging that aspect of your mentality in the mistaken belief that the ashram power struggles are far more significant to the inner and outer lives of you and others than they actually are.
And as Lokesh said, with little evidence on your part of any genuine self-enquiry.
Thus, you’re really an ideal prototype ‘religion-creator’, obsessed with form, external structure and power games. Just the sort of sincere mediocrity that’s created the conflictual nonsense we see all around us today.
In this sense, Shantam, although you’re otherwise no doubt a ‘decent sort of bloke’, one whom I’d no doubt enjoy meeting, in a way you’re ultimately part of the problem rather than a means to its solution.
Kavita, In the ashram only thing beautiful from the west was Western women.
I remember my years with other four Indian friends of mine, who came from different walks of life and I will say, it was the only Indian group, where 80% people have a proper education of some kind.
Hundreds of hours of discussion with them on each and every topic of life and I don´t remember a single evening, when we had discussed western male psychology. even when an issue was raised, in a minute or two someone will say, ” Let us smoke Beeri and discuss about Monkeys on the trees.”
You know and I know, how much gems of people they are.
Come on Sri Shantam Mahapoopah, what about Osho’s cars? What kind of a man are you? Or are you a ladyboy?
Sri Shantam Tantrikapants next holiday destination.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26261223
pass the beeri , maybe thats what I’d say to this !
Shants, if you and your Indian friends bothered to discuss western male psychology, it might have made your path to the western women easier. You see, to us, they are two a penny, so we ignore them, and they hate being ignored. You lot, give them too much attention, and they play with you.
Reverse Indian psychology. Shantam Mahaboohoo wants them to play with him. Cunning devil!
Mod thank you for showering your compassion for less fortunate ones, like me. I do touch your feet.
Madhu, it must have been in your astrological transit to throw away the TV in the sea, wow how freely you are diving deep here in SN. In my next life, after a worm b, I will be a lizard. But lizard with the white wings. I will fly back to my planet (star) B612 . I will only need look at stars and join their laughter. Thank you madhu.
So Kavita, next time when I am in Poona, we smoke a Beeri.
Lighting the Beeri as incense stick remembering those souls who somehow came to Pune. I love that spirit and I also know many of us lost their limbs and belongings on the way.
My salute to those brave hearted friends.
identity “fresch” (at 21.2. 2014 6.52 pm)
have you been enjoying a deep dive by IT hacking and IT phishing
before posting ?
again some of mine was gulped in into a “void” again
a peace that may be now in your stomach
but what to say
the virtual seas are the virtual seas
and lots of pirates under different flags are cruising it
most of them are not hungry
they are greedy
and thats really something different because they don t act out of despair but out of their lust to POWER
madhu
MOD: MADHU, PLEASE DON’T BLAME POOR FRESCH!
SEVERAL POSTS WERE TAKEN OFF EARLIER TONIGHT AS THEY WERE THOUGHT TO BE IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC AND/OR ABUSIVE.
AS A RESULT, YOURS (RE ABUSE) WAS ALSO DELETED AS IT WAS NO LONGER RELEVANT.
thank you moderation team for giving me a chance of an insight in your moderation work
and apologize to the identy “fresh”
who is not “poor” as i see it
by the way
what also moved me yesterday is the question about those two -
subhuti as well as harideva
who may be enjoying (or not?) our naggings and braggings and the bullying too in the free and open to everything school-class of a caravanserai
would be nice to have their “thank you to all” on the way or/and a kind of feed back…..
madhu
Well, madhu, I see perhaps all that dynamic has done something to me after all. I attack when there is something relevant or somebody to defend. Or just be playful with people who I know can take it as a feedback. And I can see some people surfing with it here for fun. But as mod says there is a difference and subtlety in it. I sometimes fail too. You have been writing here for a short time, so your blind spots might be for that reason.
I am not so much into poetry because there are so few authentic ones. However, many years ago I was in a poetry festival where one writer was reading his poetry so intensively just next to me that out of nothing I reached my hand towards him, in that moment some other people did the same with each others. He took it for only a few seconds..and then we let go.
Once I did one group where they use writing poetry in the end of the group. (Participants do not take them selves seriously, of course, but facilitators, oh boy). I had to do everything not to laugh aloud when listening. Ok, everybody should paint too, I am all for it. But it’s just too comical when people start imposing it all around as “professionals”.
I learned from someone, that if one person says something about you, it’s most probably bullshit, but if you get the same feedback from many, it would be worth looking at. I do value that; it helps me to be more aware. So for Loki, one (however just one of the ways) becoming more aware is through mirroring, for me. Thank you parmartha for defending me, it feels sweet. Hot seat is difficult, but it can be rewarding too. So, I also wonder why lovebaba or subuthi are not participating.
Madhu, tonight I will be at my friend’s, a sanyasin, educated and professional artist, a painter, opening exhibition. I do paint too, but I am not making an exhibition, for a reason. I have seen some of her paintings, they are amazing. It has taken her years of hard work, education, talent and meditation. I will look at her sky in her work and remember. Who am I. Just mirroring.
We have seen it so often yet continue to do it. Most of our judgements about people are inaccurate,
this morning friends – after having been posting before dawn
i had breakfast and then fell asleep again
came up with a dream i call a peace nugget
i would like to share
:
in the dream i found myself sitting i a western big mensa with a lot of tables and seats
quite a light flooded place yet not sunny
jaust very few people were sitting there in the spacious room with big windows
where at one of the walls has been located a big couch and few very comfortable seats one can sink in
while we few all were sipping our coffee and teas and chewing what we had chosen on our plates
silent
all of a sudden a bunch of males came in being clothed naturally like i can see it here in the streets and each very up to his own gusto
they approach the big coach immediately and also the seats because they needed all the places
and the moment they had taken their seats started to sing their chorus
like very well trained and with very beautiful voices
i was in awe and felt the few others spreader in the big room being in awe too
and we all sat there stopping continuing being usy with our breakfast
listening
the only sound the chorus variated was “IMPERMAAAMOOOH”
(the best way i am able to refer it)
when the chorus did that for a while
the second miracle (dream wise) happened
then from the entrance door what is an exit door too
a big group of small children came in hand in hand
and they have been from as different cultures and nations one can not conceive how many-
the small kids had been coming in hand in hand
and started to dance in a circle
to the chorus of the circle chorus sound
as i woke up (with follow up thoughts)
remembering that one of the many impressing me university “bits and bytes” had been involved
to get acquainted with some of the quite more cultured in some ways aborigeenee folks of far away from here like some polynesia tribal civilized habits in interpersonal affairs
tribes
where it is a custom to share the dreams of the night to those
with whom they are connected
and in these tribes one has to do that BEFORE breakfast then
well
i ever found since coming to know about other places other cultures other ways of customary interpersonal “traffic”
that in some way we are seemingly evolved
yet in so many other ways we are retarded
(the reason also why that pushed me in a start of for india and for a living master in india long long ago)
inspire of ongoing crushed delusions also concerning those which have to do with that dream stuff of the morning
me myself is in surprise how resistant some of the longing
of “…there must be another way…” are
i don t wait for answers
i just want to share this
trusting the title of one of the old darshan diary-s
“believing the impossible before breakfast”
i know by now
that our understandings of what is abusive what less
is quite different
but i like to share my gratitude and my dream(work) too
gratitude that i am able to address it
madhu
Amazing dream Madhu.
So many symbols.
Fantastically optimistic.
Use sweet words,
Be polite, Love is our nature.
You must understand this.
Are you a sannyasin or some kind of asshole? ”
This is the way it is!
xxx
IX, 2. Prayer to Kâma (love), personified as a primordial power.
1. To the bull that slays the enemy, to Kâma, do I render tribute with ghee, oblation, and (sacrificial) melted butter. Do thou, since thou hast been extolled, hurl down my enemies by thy great might!
2. The evil dream which is offensive to my mind and eye, which harasses and does not please me, that (dream) do I let loose upon my enemy. Having praised Kâma may I prevail!
3,. Evil dreams, O Kâma, and misfortune, O Kâma, childlessness, ill-health, and trouble, do thou, a strong lord, let loose upon him that designs evil against us!
4. Drive them away, O Kâma, thrust them away, O Kâma; may they that are my enemies fall into trouble! When they have been driven into the nethermost darkness, do thou, O Agni, burn up their d welling- places!
5. That milch-cow, O Kâma, whom the sages call Vâk Virâg (ruling, or resplendent speech), is said to be thy daughter; by her drive away my enemies; breath, cattle, and life shall give them a wide birth!
6. With the strength of Kâma, Indra, king Varuna, and Vishnu, with the impelling force (savena) of Savitar, with the priestly power of Agni, do I drive forth the enemies, as a skilled steersman a boat.
7. My sturdy guardian, strong Kâma, shall procure for me full freedom from enmity! May the gods collectively be my refuge, may all the gods respond to this, my invocation!
8. Taking pleasure in this (sacrificial) melted butter, and ghee do ye, (O gods), of whom Kâma is the highest, be joyful in this place, procuring for me full freedom from enmity!
9. O Indra and Agni, and Kâma, having formed an alliance, do ye hurl down my enemies; when they have fallen into the nethermost darkness, do thou, O Agni, burn up after them their dwelling places!
10. Slay thou, O Kâma, those that are my enemies, hurl them down into blind darkness. Devoid of vigour, Without sap let them all be; they shall not live a single day!
11. Kâma has slain those that are my enemies, a broad space has he furnished me to thrive in. May the four directions of space bow down to me, and the six broad (regions) carry ghee to me!
12. They (the enemies) shall float down like a boat cut loose from its moorings! There is no returning again for those who have been struck by our missiles.
13. Agni is a defence, Indra a defence, Soma a defence. May the gods, who by their defence ward off (the enemy), ward him off!
14. With his men reduced, driven out, the hated (enemy) shall go, shunned by his own friends! And down upon the earth do the lightnings alight; may the strong god crush your enemies!
15. This mighty lightning supports both moveable and immoveable things, as well as all thunders. May the rising sun by his resources and his majesty hurl down my enemies, lie the mighty one!
16. With that triple-armoured powerful covering of thine, O Kâma, with the charm that has been made into an Invulnerate armour spread (over thee), with that do thou drive away those who are my enemies; may breath, cattle, and life give them a wide berth!
17. With the weapon with which the god drove forth the Asuras, with which Indra led the Dasyus to the nethermost darkness, with that do thou, O Kâma, drive forth far away from this world those who are my enemies!
18. As the gods drove forth the Asuras, as Indra. forced the demons into the nethermost darkness, thus do thou, O Kâma, drive forth far away from this world those who are my enemies!
19. Kâma was born at first; him neither the gods, nor the Fathers, nor men have equalled. To these art thou superior, and ever great; to thee, O Kâma, do I verily offer reverence.
20. As great as are the heavens and earth in extent, as far as the waters have swept, as far as fire; to these art thou superior, &c.
21. Great as are the directions (of space) and the intermediate direction on either side, great as are the regions and the vistas of the sky; to these art thou superior, &c.
22. As many bees, bats, kurûru-worms, as many vaghas and tree-serpents as there are; to these art thou superior, &c.
23. Superior art thou to all that winks (lives), superior to all that stands still (is not alive), superior to the ocean art thou, O Kâma, Manyu! To these art thou superior, &c.
24. Not, surely, does the wind equal Kâma, not the fire, not the sun, and not the moon. To these art thou superior, &c.
25. With those auspicious and gracious forms of thine, O Kâma, through which what thou wilst becometh reaL with these do thou enter into us, and elsewhere send the evil thoughts!
It’s getting rather holy around here. I wonder, could this have something to do with my presence here on SN?
Preetam, the problem here is obvious, isn’t it? It’s simply that this is written in hard-to-understand archaic language, from a thousands of years ago culture, thousands of miles away (in many senses) from today’s world.
Please explain how this is relevant to you and/or to any other SN readers.
Shantam said ‘Love is our nature’. I just wanted to cause with the basis of Atharva Veda why it so is. Beautiful how the Atharva Veda prayer explains Love as permanent and clarifies wonderfully our mutual root.
Right now our mutual Meditation is interrupted with confusion. ‘My’ Meditation understanding means back to the root. It is our House of Love, here we are permanently placed.
Lokesh, Kâma or Meditation has not changed over thousands of years, it is same acharic ever. Same relevant at our present time here on SN. Yet folks are more confused through the violence against us and such we became afraid following our ecstasy.
Not meant single SN readers on this page, but in refer to our collective.
thanks lokesh (22. february at 5.39 pm)
sure – what you presume
that must be the case….
i ve been already waiting for your reply
madhu
It’s that symbol again……………..?
no, lokesh
it’s not “that” symbol again
i tried to be joking
as it was a kind of relief
after having worked through preetam’s lines
i have not been sure if he wrote down a prayer from a book
and i am not acquainted with his
so to say
caravanserai identity as you and others may be
as you and others came to know
i have nothing against prayers
i just like it when prayers are coming with OWN words
even if they are stumbled
well “own” words (now comes the symbol?????)
and by that i mean
its hard sometimes to find words coming out of a source that is not borrowed
i guess
for everybody
i felt the contribution with well-wishing energy
but was tense after reading
that’s all
madhu
Madhu, in essence Preetam is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He is also a little confused, which only serves to highlight his stupidity. Prayers are all very well but useless if not done consciously. Preetam does not speak like a man of consciousness, but rather someone who is sleepwalking his way through life, having adopted some spiritual behaviour patterns to cover it up, none too successfully it would seem.
For example, the other day he posted the following comment, ‘Bodhi Vartan and Lokesh attest their Egoism resulted through a pathological spiritual complex expressed by disease – typical symptoms of an arrogant form of ignorance.’ Personally I find the word ‘ego’ long past its sell-by date but somehow after reading that comment I felt that rather than describing myself and BV he was in fact describing himself. Nothing new there.
What he misses entirely is the element of fun and playfullness that are often an ingredient in mine and BVs comments. This is because he lacks anything remotely resembling a sense of humour. One might describe him as a person who takes himself and life far too seriously. A sannyasin who totally lacks a sense of humour is no sannyasin at all. Not only that, minus a sense of humour life soon turns into a dark place.
Hence Preetam comes away with bleak comments like the following, ‘ Perhaps just this kind of spirituality prepared humanity for our present time. It left the earth into the hands of a few Materialists.’ Which I am sure is very uninspiring world view to entertain.
I just cannot understand, under what context Preetam has copy pasted Kama(Lust, Sex).
The text is too hard for the eyes and the brain.
To counter this, I am pleased to share a photo. Just saw in the news website.
Yoga is booming in the west. Naked Yoga seems to be the future.
You must have the eyes free from Kama to appreciate the human body and the glory within.
Mmmmh, nice chakras.
and….
you know parmartha – because i would like to address you this morning in particular
what gave me great relief too the other day
when thanks to the chat here and people addressing me (including you as an identity with name and role you re talking as we all do…)
i remembered carl sagan – the astronomer
and the past few days reread what impressed me in the early eighties up to chernobyl times…of nucear power drama – his words:
“we are like butterflies – living but ONE day and imagine that s eternity as such”
well
a poet of his own accord i would say
and quite a REAL one being involved with the real and evolution and the wonder of evolution taking place
never ending
ever never ending this way the need of effortless effort (because otherwise good interpersonal affairs are going to be too much heavy….)
to find a way remembering the context in which we are appearing or disappearing
osho liked the jokes so much
to create a GAPn
making place for a remembering
for the unknown and also unknowable
and the mystery we coming from
and going into
having “just a second here-now”
good morning – parmartha
(and all of you that’s clear)
grateful
madhu
Hi Madhu,
blessings.
Here is a pic from yesterday of Vartan and me enjoying the full English breakfast mystery School in Highgate Wood cafe! Me on the right
Jolly good chaps!
shantam prem,
i simply don t like it when you post the naked women picture here in sannyas news
and yes i know that already camera teams of free tvs are getting invited to some of the yoga big businesses here for the few classes happening being indulged in attracting people (with their money) to join classes of that kind
anyway IT freaks on the digital native’s market place to have their instant-tantric-approach going serving also those who want a flat rate flatliner
for their masturbation
the question also then and there
if the women (sometimes also men)
are misused like sexual slavery going on
on the market places of our “zeitgeist”
so
not really funny the picture you posted, nor intriguing and inspiring
but to some or the other SPAT being called “holy” it is fitting that’s for sure
sad enough
madhu
Could it be that Magoo is a party pooper? Heaven forbid…a prude in our midst. Whatever next here on SN? Stay tuned and look for updates as the situation worsens.
and
PS for shantam prem
in the last weeks here a new advertising is going picturing everywhere in the public
in synchronicity to wars and warnings
where elsewhere the real killed can not be counted any more
a new deodorant type of the FIRM called AXE
it’s called
“make peace not war” use our deodorant new style and type
in fact it’s a deodorant stinking so much so that you have to leave the room
before you get poisoned
by the chemical flavour of the stink
“make love not war” is another way of text “variety”
also stupidity as well as bad gusto
seemingly there’s no end to it too
maybe that’s why also
war is such a big, big, big business
even in spiritual realms
madhu
MOD: MADHU, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU MEAN HERE?
maybe
ps number two
first, moderators:
the firm i mentioned AXE, the name came with aggressive advertising into what we call “the world” of advertising
synchron mirroring also the kind of coma drops being used in discotheques to rape women
and showed computer clips of women who
being approached by a man using AXE on his body
following that man like a little japanese tamagochi robot
that has been the advertising before war became a subject
and moderators
i cannot say it better as to try to share
that the so-called spiritual realms always mirror also parts and bits what’s happening on other levels
and i have been reminded of the many ways the “female” or female qualities
can be misused by men as well as vice versa of course
but when it’s done as a way of pretending one “cares”
i feel allergic
very much so
madhu
not sure if your question is answered
sorry then
I can post my naked photo too.
Only problem is I don´t know Yoga!
Hay Madhu, do you have a husband, let us say even as ex. husband or do you think, the useless men at sannyasnews are your husbands?
A good thread for many reasons, not least Lokesh’s very funny spoof.
Zorba VERSUS Buddha one might say.
I recently got Subhuti as a new friend on facebook and was reading his ‘Pune diary’, I started making some responses, the last a bit analogous to what Harideva writes. Subhuti deleted that, and told me via PM that he only wants one-line comments (while his own initial posts are several paragraphs long). Finding that too dictatorial, I have stopped reading the diary. (But nothing against Subhuti, I remember him as a dear friend.)
This also reminds me a bit (is this reminiscence time?) of the Pyramids scandal in the 90s, where the resort officials – fearing that the resort would be closed down because of its apparent association with the (partly) drug-fuelled dance parties at the Pyramids (was Harideva then a DJ?) – issued a press release that the resort had nothing to do with the Pyramids. We were all asked to support this line. I (who attended every Pyramids party) went that same day to Devageet (who never did) to tell him that I couldn’t support this press release, as half the faces at the Pyramids were the same faces I saw at the resort the next morning. What was the resort, I asked, if not its people? ‘Osho told us never to repeat Antelope’ was Politicogeet’s reply.
The main thing I like about this thread though is the way it brings this ‘Pune regime critique’ topic, which I have seen so often here on SN, but mostly so far in a dry impersonal way where I could never find any interest, very much to life, via the direct live dialogue between two people.
yes lokesh
“magoo” as you posted it “is a party pooper”
madhu -though- you don t know at all
madhu
madhu -though- you don t know at all
Only one person you can blame that on.
thank you parmartha and vartan too
i just love to look into peoples eyes when they are open
and loved to hear you had a fabulous breakfast
love
madhu
thank you for your honesty shantam prem
posting that you don t know yoga
and please put your else- what “offers” in the waste basket
that would be nice
madhu
Parmartha,
Your photo, my first impression was J Krishnamurti!
Surely as an English, you have travelled the less travelled path with grace and His Blessings.
Lots of love
Shantam Prem
A case of “I’m alright Jack” from Subhuti, perhaps? Never! Bought off by Jayesh in exchange for a little bit of black robe protagonism in the Resort? Well, would you believe it? He sure ain’t gonna rock the boat, is he? Might lose his newly formed groupie following (how else is he gonna get that?), t’otherwise, as well as all the other benefits he is currently on!
And then what would he do? Oh, dearie me he might have to resort to consulting the Enema-gram or whatever that nonsense he gets up to is called? Par for the course for somebody whom it would seem has always been involved in politics – no surprises here.
As far as Harideva is concerned, all I can say is whilst sympathetic to his viewpoint, he must be a bit naive thinking that Subhooti would react any other way than what he did!
Thanks for the breakdown, Ashok. These people are so predictable and transparent, they are to all intents invisible and non existent.
dear ashok
why don’t you google a little bit or use some of the other research help open for everybody – BEFORE you use a more than sheer concept
as a kind of hammer or disk to aim at or try to smash a target you want to eliminate ?
rebellion this way “for rebellion’s sake”
will
as i see it worsen any situation and be of no help
the inter-net then as a possibility to connect ever so often becomes a – flatliner -
sad enough
madhu
My Dearest Madhu!
What an unexpected and welcome surprise. It would appear that you have in your graciousness managed to overcome the negativity that you once felt towards me, and are now prepared to communicate with me again. Thank you for the renewed connection.
However, might I be so bold as to request a little help on your part. I am having a hard time trying to understand what you are trying to say in your message. Would you mind saying it in another way so a simple soul like me can understand it?
Thanking you for all of your efforts.
That was a nice welcome for somebody new madhu.
I liked some of your music Arps.. Awakens the delicate energy of the spring. Birds have started to sing outside, have you noticed?
Fresch said.
‘Birds have started to sing outside, have you noticed?’
Same here. Been a real spring day. Bird song has been
much more pronounced.
But I like Mozart better; the Requiem was my favourite since I was a teenager. Now people are making their new interpretations of him. Beautiful. And still the original, classic music is totally there. His life in today’s spirit. But only for special occasion. Auts, now I will take my dog to the bank of a river.
I was thinking today, latest or last decades or centuries of inventions which changed the way we think and live are done by the people who are neither meditators nor some kind of believers.
I was also thinking, just for fun sake we can imagine, Paypal, Google, Facebook or whatisapps was developed by someone who has his spiritual mentor’s photo on the bed side.
In such situation, the other followers will shout from the roofs in such a way as if from now onwards their Shri Lama Maharaj will ring the bell for sun to shine!
Salutary indeed, Shantam. Osho, J.Krishnamurti, Gurdjieff and the other masters and teachers must be hanging their heads in shame after reading such a radically revelatory post.
Just think, all those fearsome weapons of mass and individual destruction, all those pollutants of our air, all the technological wonders that are threatening our very continued existence on Earth – what glorious advertisements for the power of ‘non-meditative humanity’!
Not to mention the electro-magnetic miracles that are, at this very moment, clogging up our lives with endless, useless information, hijacked by the agenda-driven, greedy and ignorant, recycling vast quantities of uselessly puerile, self-serving shite from and back into the human brain.
Get a grip, Shantam, ffs.
Seriously S.D.
There is a certain Dadaesque quality to his musings.
He may be one of Bill Baileys script writers doncha know.
>> There is a certain Dadaesque quality to his musings.
Yeah, surreal.
If you ask me, I don’t think it’s real at all. I think he puts it on because he thinks it’s amusing. I just wish he picked a different role.
In Satya deva’s world, heaven on earth will be when white man and woman live and think like South Indians.
Other than few Ammas, Bhagvans and Mantra singers in throaty sexy tones, Most probably Global warming will make this happen. Few degrees more and Londoners will wear Lunghis and women will cool themselves with Sandalwood paste!
Hare hare…Shanti Shanti. Jai Jai Jai Bhagvan Shree Ji!
Trust you to come up with a characteristically inane response, Shantam.
What has caused the current existential (literally) crisis, where there’s a lack of proper balance pretty well everywhere we look, both in the world of man and in its effect upon the ‘God-made’ Earth?
Too much cleverness / too little wisdom?
Too much brain / too little heart?
Too much inner ignorance / too little consciousness?
Too much emotion / too little love?
As the Yanks say, ‘go figure’.
Some look into the world and see problems, where others see solutions. Not me, but if we are going to talk crap, let’s talk decent crap.
What exactly is your problem Shantam?
PS Shants, I have answered all your questions and responded to all your wishes so please answer my question.
I wouldn’t be surprised if in his latest musings on so-called ‘ordinary’ people, Shantam is simply enjoying finding ways to justify his own ‘stuckness’, his lack of anything approaching a ‘spiritual life’.
He no doubt thinks differently, citing his apparently all-consuming concern with the fate of the Pune ashram. But this is just the little world of sannyas power games, just relatively petty politics, nothing ‘spiritual’ in it whatsoever.
Obsessed with externals, no wonder he resorts to mentalised sex for, er, ‘relief’.
well, fresch —(26. february at 3.36 pm)
i am able to respond to your posting mentioning what you called quite a nice welcoming for a “new”
AFTER taking refuge this morning in the words and the music of alice herz-sommer who passed these days (at 109 years of age) in london
well, fresch – there have been and are many people on mission tracks
also in any form of caravanserai
and there are some of them too
taking a kind of guantanamo approach to get their vision of truth into gears
no matter what it costs
and sure enough – the new form of communication technique as well as its abuse
takes care of the standard or amount of indifference accompanying their mission procedures. if it has to be that way
i would like to give it a question mark.
what i know is that the new kind of media techniques are supporting the latter…
so YES – fresch : the birds ARE chirping
and YES : spring is on its way
and YES : rare are the people to survive calamities the way alice herz-sommer happened to be able to
very rare
to this my morning prayer goes in gratitude of those kind.
madhu
I do not know if you read Subuthi’s article about arriving in pune. For me the whole article gives the feeling of nostalgia. Doing the same thing like always; going to the same people, changing money, getting the trunk, so 1990s.
His describing his feelings and encounters in nostalgic way, reflecting all the time his ”as always in coming to Pune” experiences is a bit suprising. It is difficult for me to understand his purpose for that article because if I have understood it right in puna they think they doing thing ”in new, modern way” and nostalgia is the worst thing ever you can indulge your self in.
If you repeat something (in doing), I wish to read some new, unknown reflections like what feels different, new..if not outside, at least inside.
Lack of proper balance is visible. May be it is in the nature of things.
And so called spiritualists cannot play clever by pushing the dust under other people’s carpets.
One of the reason, Sannyas movement has gone into tatters after founder’s death is because of this cleverness.
“My wife run away. It is not because of me. Our driver changed his employer, this can be the reason!”
About Other little Mr. and Mrs. Holy, i don’t even need to say anything. They believe, world will become saner if decisions are made in the townships who end with the term “Puram”!
and PS to fresch …..
i don’t know how come – i really don’t know why -
your postings remind me of the rare occasions in decades i had
to meet
thuriya (von hanover) personally throughout decades
and last time, some months ago, also listening to and looking at her in the UK conscious TV
being then and there herself to be not on a hot but a very warm-hearted seat
maybe it’s because of your question (?) about these therapists being now (still) part of the multiversity in pune and you asked for an expression or idiom in english about the word for
shame and compassion both…
i tried, but didn’t find a word to offer,
but have been thinking about it
thuriya (! – in the UK interview) i sensed more honest than other so called premium therapists of early pune/ranch-times etc. days up to present time and i really loved to listen to her story,
getting the chance then and there for reconciliation
but maybe this word is too opera-like but can’t find a better one just now.
it’s just the direction
and also
that’s sometimes important – very much so -
to share i am sorry but that’s the way it was or it is – human and sharing
for surely unknown and maybe quite often or most of the time
unknowable “receivers” of a broadcast in internet terms
so every reconciliation in that human way
gives strength to walk on
i guess
for everybody
madhu
PS
maybe also that’s why i feel allergic to kind of cynical approaches in chat-contributions – i feel them as strength-sucking, not only for the receiver
but maybe (after a short relief) also for the sender too.
As a child, when I got back from school I used to sit by the kitchen table and tell everything to my mother what had happened during the day. She told me later she never listened to it, but (as a psychologist) she always encouraged me to ”let it all out”.
I did try the same thing with my son, but it did not work. He got pissed off at me every time, he knew immediately if I was not present.
As a mother I remember the lazy days at the beach with children. I had to sit watching my son in the water and try to relax (with no book, no newspaper) at the same time, keep my eyes fixed on him, and being present – for years. How hard was that? I can still hear the voices of children shouting to all their mothers: ”Watch me, watch me!” I must have had the same longing in me. Somebody saying I am ok the way I am. And moreover, somebody watching me. Right now, if not me, then who?
So, I ask myself why am I writing here? For me, this is really a cup of tea sharing about issues that bother me – with anybody interested joining in. Not only with people invited to join, but anybody joining in.
And madhu, it must be because of my poor language skills, but I do not really understand you. I could not even find you any other movie than “Crying game”. Why it’s so difficult?
However, madhu, thank you for giving me a smile today, you really sound “chirping” in my ears. endearing it is. So, does it make you “The Ugly Duckling” and later a white swan?
I am in wonder…
Let us not be in the future.
Perhaps we can meet in supermarket. I do go there every day, since I am human, buying food, making food, and cleaning the house.
And still…
PS. Mozart is something else but Salier.
Great Post.
P.S. Am getting the impression yourself
and Madhu have got wires crossed.
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What is spirituaity?
I don’t know. You need to come and ask my favourite teacher.
does she know, what is spirituality?
Sure she does, otherwise she will not call herself Avatara?
Avatara? What is this?
Avataras are like Doplomates. God sends them as messenger.
Aha..Is God like Barrack Obama?
No..not at all. You know I am Republican!
No, Satya Deva, if you are moving, flowing, merging. I don’t mind to be stuck.
Somebody has to stay back in the empty house, whan all have packed their things for the other shore!
All this communicates to me, Shantam, is that you don’t have a clue about what you’re supposedly into as a sannyasin.
Still, at least you admit as much in your first two lines.
Although frankly, the way you continue more than somewhat devalues your opening piece of supposed self-honesty.
Are you really as foolish as you appear here? Or is Vartan right and it’s all one big act (and a thoroughly stupid one at that)?
PS: “Doplomates”, eh? Is that some sort of sex toy for the spiritually retarded? Knowing you, it wouldn’t be a surprise….
“What is spirituality?
I don’t know.”
Thus speaks the one who’s main driving force in life is to ‘reform’/transform // destroy/re-create the Pune ashram…
Talk about the asylum coming into the hands of the lunatics….
The asylum was always in the hands of the lunatics. Where were you? Osho was the first to admit it. He probably would have had Shants running the place. He did like to to put in charge those that “provoked” the most, bless him.
He said something to the effect, on an occasion, that he wasn’t particularly interested in Indians, because they didnt, wouldn’t, didn’t believe they needed to work on themselves.
Very possibly true, Arpana. Although it might be a somewhat crude generalisation, on the whole Indians may well have less of an ‘individual’ mind, or at least place less importance on this, eg likes/dislikes, purely personal preferences etc. etc. than westerners, they seem far more ‘collectively’ oriented than us.
Not too surprising, given the extended family structures and their ensuing expectations and obligations (not least, ‘arranged marriages’),the religious traditionalism etc. although I guess that’s tending to break down at what some might call the ‘leading edge’, ie the ‘westernised’ (or pseudo-westernised) intellectual materialists of the cities.
Over here, we’ve had an overwhelming emphasis on individualism for the last few hundred years of ever-more-rampant intellectual materialism, so it’s hardly surprising there are such differences between the mentalities and consequently, the divergent attitudes to ‘spirituality’. It only takes a minute or two of reading a post from, say, Shantam or Swami R to appreciate the difference, which at times seems like a vast chasm.
For example, Shantam’s apparent bemused indifference to the whole concept (let alone the practice) of ‘working on oneself’, and Swami R’s insistence that exposure to therapeutic work is a waste of time, that ‘only dancing is necessary’. Not to mention the perfectly ludicrous (to most westerners) ‘clone’ phenomenon.
What were Kipling’s famous words? Something like:
‘East is East
West is West
And ne’er the twain shall meet!’
Still seems a fair degree of truth in that, despite ‘globalisation’ with its inevitable process of all-encompassing westernisation.
Perhaps, for the likes of you and many of your Indian friends, Shantam, the climate and experience of ‘freedom’ experienced in the old Pune ashram (not to mention Osho’s ideas in books and videos) – especially perhaps regarding sexual relations – was itself, in its total undermining of the communal values you were brought up with, psychically ‘earth-shaking’ enough for you to digest, integrate and live with for many years, maybe the rest of your life?
Which is not in any way supposed to be condescending, by the way, I’m attempting to see where you might actually be at and why exactly you appear to be in such a different place (within) than the vast majority of westerners in the ‘sannyasin boat’ (aka in some quarters as ‘the ship of fools’!).
Anyway, let’s hear your comments, please.
Mind you, I’m fairly certain this was a Poona one remark, when he was of course regularly giving lectures in Hindi; however, the following has never occurred to me before; he only ever spoke in English from then on, or only gave discourses in English from then on. Is that not so?
He gave a few discourses in Hindi during the world tour. I remember looking for English translations of them last year.
>> ‘East is East
West is West
And ne’er the twain shall meet!’
Excellent post SD. Especially the differences in their collective minds.
Recently having had the opportunity to mix with Indian and Nepali sannyasins, I realised that in the past, apart from Osho being Indian, there were hardly any Indians in the UK sannyas scene.
I just don’t know enough of them to give a value judgement on their collective mind but what I have found is that Indians are really hard to “read”. Now I am beginning to think that it might be a defense mechanism against a restrictive collective imposition.
Sheela was Indian…
…so Shantam is still in the running.
Shants before we go any further, spirituality is when you are at the right place.
It doesn’t matter whether you are thinking of Osho or Obama. It’s always YOU. Osho says that even you are reading the Buddha you are only reading ‘your Buddha’.
Spirituality has more to do with that which is not, that which was and is not, absence; rather than that which is. (Although we could go round in circles with the latter.)
(I’m not correcting you. I’m joining in.)
I just checked wikipedia on ‘spirituality’ and it’s about as wrong as it can get.
It dfines it as something separate from the ordinary, or as according to Shants, in Osho’s Samadhi.
Spirituality is one of those realms where you will have a problem with saying what it is, but you can most definitely say WHAT IT ISN’T.
Yes, arps, between east and west is good, that’s where I think I am for fact. And computers or what internet has done to people– it’s amazing.. like here.
>> what internet has done to people– it’s amazing.. like here.
Fresch, how about north as south?
And what exactly has the internet done here apart from taking a lovely group of people and turning them into a a bunch of snarling hyenas that can’t make sense of each other?
Read my silence.
“Mr. Roundabout, Our CC footage shows, you were in Oxford street when the incident with your wife happened. Do you agree?”, asked the prosecuter.
Mr. Roundabout nods with the head.
“Can you please explain what you have seen?”
Mr. Roundabout closed the eyes.
2 minutes, 3 minutes, 5 minutes passed. Judge too was becoming impatient.
He looked towards Mrs. Roundabout for the clues.
Mrs. Roundabout explained, ” He thinks he is spiritual. Therefore insists people should find answers in his silence.”
As I said, the lunatic who thinks he knows what’s good for the asylum…
I repeat, are you really as thoroughly stupid as your posts indicate?
Otherwise, how have you apparently collected such stupid ideas?
thank you for sharing, fresch
maybe we already met in one of the supermarkets who knows
or if you could have a chance to look you would see me dong my dishes and sweeping the floor
i can take it that you declared you don t understand my posts or feel it like “crying game” ever again
or pondering about fairy tale issues like duck and swan
the are metaphors for everybody
if you call that “kitsch” or not
i felt the mother you had is also in you – though – also in expression
and same in myself
that’s a long way (or a short) spiralling where we come from and evolving
what you told about you with your son
brings me to that i want to congratulate you having a son being as clear-cut, courageous and as honest with you
never an easy one to take
what you have been sharing about the issues of watching and being watched and the longing for acknowledgment
well
that’s such a human affair like going to shop in a supermarket
no need to be ashamed for anything
nor me
nor you
and one thing more
the present moment includes for me
all past and may be even future
it s all we have
although being in the delusion we would have more or less
writing the simply uttering words in a row
are many present moments one after the other
it’s in a very beautiful way useless
love
madhu
PS to arpana – are you an onlooker like sometimes lokesh and others are
to give “notes” ? or diagnoses?
To
madhu dagmar frantzen
‘PS to arpana – are you an onlooker like sometimes lokesh and others are to give “notes” ? or diagnoses?’
The remark was well intentioned. Not judgmental.
Madhu, I find much of what you say completely flakey. Like transmitted from Cloud 9 somewhere over La La Land.
and another PS for fresch:
-the mozart and salieri story –
ever recycled again throughout the times
even in very good movies as an entertainment staying with the notes so to say
but recycled as a prototype story or parable too
about jealousy or the way creative giants are welcomed by the masses
or not
and how political issues are then and there playing their parts too
sometimes a “crying game” is an expression to what is echoing in the hearts
when listening to stories of that kind
what it cleanses though
then
one does not really know
madhu
i am rarely looking into the e mail letter box in general because it didn’t function so well,
but today i did and found besides caravanserai’s website the feedback of lokesh addressed to me
so it’s late but not too late maybe
to just make it open as i was wondering why you didn’t post that like all other feedbacks you are posting.
as you are speaking not only for you but also for other long well-known caravanserai friends
i decided to copy it and put it on the spot
Lokesh sent you a new message: (15. february 2014)
Subject: U
“Hi Madhu, I just read your latest comment, which includes the following, ‘and yes, you may come sooner or later to know
that hurting me you’re also hurting yourself
as it is vice versa.’
If you knew how sanctimonous this sounds to me I doubt you would have written that.
I don’t know you and to be honest, going by your comments, I am happy to keep it that way.
I believe I speak for most of the regulars on SN by saying that the main idea of SN is to have a bit of stimulating fun and hopefully create a few laughs for one another. Most of us are pretty thick- skinned on this level and enjoy poking fun at each other etc. I don’t think anyone would deliberatly try and hurt anyone on any level whatsoever, including myself.
You appear to me as someone who is perhaps over-sensitive and taking themselves far too seriously, especially on a sannyasin website. Your current comment comes across like someone who joins a swimming group and then complains about getting wet, to the extent that you want others to feel guilty about the fact. Perhaps it is time for you to wise up a little in regards this, as the principal thing you are succeeding in is making yourself look foolish.
Take care. Lokesh”
Madhu I sent you a private message because I felt it was the best approach, seeing as how I view you as being occasionally oversensitive. I was endeavouring to be sensitive. Now you decide to make it public,which is cool by me.
The moderators have been treating you with kid gloves because if someone like myself or say Shanam were to do what you are doing we would get a wee note at the bottom of our comment requesting that we endeavour to stay on topic.
You say that you are putting my personal message to you on the spot. I haven’t a clue what that is supposed to mean exactly, which hardly comes as a surprise seeing how most of your writing comes across in a vague and ephemeral way. I doubt if anyone round here will be very interested.
Nice one Scotty!
Beam me up!
From one who has also suffered the pain.
My Dearest Beloved Madhu!
I have decided to address you personally, so not as to appear to be ‘hiding beneath the safety of Lokesh’s voluminous kilt’, if you will pardon the expression.
I would just like to make it clear that in my case, Lokesh is certainly ‘speaking on my behalf’ also, as I agree with the points he has made regarding your Beloved Self. I very much doubt that this will come as much of a surprise to you, particularly after the events of ‘Busgate’ a couple of months back, for which I feel you are still harbouring some negative feelings towards me.
Finally, Maddie, I would just like to say that I replied to your valuable comments of 2 days ago, but have yet to receive a simple translation of your cryptosis, written in very simple English for a Simple Simon, like me. Please open your heart to me.
Blessings from Your Beloved Swami Ashok
As a woman writing here I have realized that men are treating me with silk gloves, even I sometimes fail to be only nasty and not even witty. I do not understand what you need madhu, but you really seem to stumble.
Fresch, right on the button. Now, where did I leave that old pair of boxing gloves I kept as a souvenir from the good old encounter group days?
In my case moderator is even more valuable, because of the language struggles. And this is voluntary work, as I understand. Anyway, this site is being read all over the world, as I see in statistics.
For example, mini kang’s contribution has been totally incredible, heartfelt and her “kung fu” style to the point “approach” is valuable to be appreciated. I do not agree with her with most of the points, but I do miss her for sure, like many other writers here, I suppose.
Her real name is Mini Klingon.
I wonder why you imagine mini kang is ‘missed’ by “many other writers here”, Fresch?
I think you’re confusing screeching emotionalism with the “heartfelt”. A common enough error everywhere, of course, unfortunately prevalent in many sannyasins (or used to be).
No, I certainly don’t miss her rants, which were sadly typical of an immature, almost cultish mentality.
Satyadeva, on the contrary, I just happen to know that you would have loved – or more so feared – some philosophical conversation with mini kang. It could have been totally unknown territory for you with an Asian woman with the history of zen (contrary to Indian man like shantam or western man like dominic).
You “just happen to know”, do you? Oh, really, Fresch?! Let me put you straight on this one…
I don’t think mini k would recognise ‘philosophy’ if it came right up to her and introduced itself at lunchtime every day for a month…
As for “history of zen” – who are you kidding, ma’am?! I’ve seen not the slightest evidence of anything approaching such ‘existential erudition’ (to coin a phrase) in Ms. K, on here she was almost always simply shooting her mouth off with some parrotted rubbish – and shooting herself in the foot in the process.
So besides confusing rampant emotionalism with the “heartfelt”, you’re now mistaking the same benighted, self-ishly ignorant, destructive condition for so-called “zen”!
If you’re Ms K’s PR lady then she’s made a very poor choice! Which would be par for her course, of course….
SD, I would just so much to read your interaction with mini K. Scary? she will come back as queen of zen.
MOD: WHAT WORD TO PUT AFTER much, PLEASE, FRESCH?
Fresch, in my wee book Mini Kang has got to go down as one of the biggest chumps ever to write a comment on SN. Her biggest crime is blind stupidity. She makes Mahadeva Shantam look like Einstein.
To me Mini Kang felt like a trainee of Swami R who was given a chance to go out and prove herself.
If I was Swami R, I would have told her to stop crawling up my butt but I suppose that is the kind of people he likes around him.
I guess he and she (and they) think it’s what a ‘devotee’ does.
Just shows the dangers of this approach for the emotionally retarded.
Shantam, please note.
Mod. After much is much. But it’s true I often forget to write the main verb, insane, I know. So, I would love to hear about mini K again.
MOD: After much is much? HAVE ANOTHER GO, PLEASE, FRESCH!
Lokesh, in your books Amrito was a “nice chap”. so, i would not go so much for your evaluation of mini K.
And SD, I just happen to mention her, I do not know her, not even agree with her. How much you know about real first-hand (not Christian) zen tradition of the east? I bet, she knows some…some more than you do.
That’s nothing but a ‘red herring’, Fresch, ie an irrelevance, especially as you’re making an assumption, with no evidence whatsoever, that Ms MK is somehow well-versed in ‘zen’.
I share Lokesh’s assessment of this person and if you actually believe she has the sort of capacity you cite then I’m afraid I must again point out that you are making the fundamental error of confusing rampant emotionalism with “heartfelt” expression, of mistaking blatant stupidity (embodied in mk) for a potential for ‘higher wisdom’.
In other words, you’ve been taken in by the great obscurer of truth, emotional foolishness.
Which doesn’t reflect too well on your own judgment. I’d thought you had more basic mature sense than this.
But maybe that’s why a number of older sannyasins seem somewhat bewildered, ‘disappointed’ even, that their youthful expectations and dreams haven’t materialised, the feeling that ‘something’ was promised but never delivered? Dominic seems to be one, and there are others I’ve come across.
The price of believing in and relying too much upon passing emotions, to the detriment of a more balanced, more mature, more meditative approach?
PS: I’m not saying I’m definitely right (in these last two partagraphs) and I’m certainly not necessarily any great example myself. But this is how it seems to me.
SD says to Fresch, . I’d thought you had more basic mature sense than this.
You’ve got to be joking, SD.
Well, I wasn’t – but I would be now….
Such is the nature of change.
I take it you’ve met Amrito, Fresch?
Fresch says, Lokesh, in your books Amrito was a “nice chap”. so, i would not go so much for your evaluation of mini K.
It is over 35 years ago since I last saw Amrito. People change for the better or the worse over such a long time. I’ve no idea who Amrito is today and I am not interested enough to fnd out.
Pehaps you should start a fan-based FB page for Mini. I’m sure a few bozos like Shantam Maharishi might be interested in such a development.The fact is that you, Fresch, don’realise it but you make yourself look daft blowing the trumpet for such an idiot. You don’t really have to proove that to me, I already know it. Still Shantam will back you up. Birds of a feather…
Mini Kang, you are missed.
Share your Osho and Rajneesh energy. Come and knock down the rowdies, who think themselves as navel of the world.
See my post of 5.19pm, Shantam. Almost all of it applies to you.
PS: I wonder why you haven’t responded to my mini-treatise (joke, btw) on East/West differences (yesterday, 11.34pm), esp perhaps in relation to my comments on your own experience. I would be genuinely interested in your comments.
PPS: Are you sure you shouldn’t have written ‘have’ for ‘are’ in that first line?
Extra, extra, read all about it, Rowdies and Hooligans attempt military coup on SN but are repelled by the preserver of Osho’s legacy, Shri Shantam Mahaboohoo.
Lokesh, how on earth do you think that an Indian shantam would have any idea of eastern-based zen? That only shows your own limited pune 1 energetic phenomena of meditation. You just want to bring him in everywhere. go paint your own wall the same.
Hey, remember that funny robot in that series Lost in Space?
” Mother, i have found a man for me. look this is his photo.” daughter breaks the news.
” Father puts his “Who am I?” book down. Looks too at the photo and exclaims, “Your mother had a better taste.”
Such kind of patriarchs exist everywhere. One of their common symptoms is they read spiritual books and therefore cover their rigid head with silk scarf!
The gentlemen here are full with their filthy envy towards Rajneesh.
I don’t say Rajneesh is a God’s gift to humanity but at least he is real and alive and surely many people will feel attracted. Why they should lick the empty plates of Anando, shunyo, Neelam or Shunyo kind or why they should eat with hand in Meera’s traditional recipe kitchen?
maybe one shall have to ask him ?
no idea