Osho’s Personal Secretary to India Makes Response to Present Conflicts

Celebrate! Friends, Celebrate!
Ma Yoga Neelam

It is indeed a moment of rejoicing: Osho’s name and his meditations are now free from the fetters of US trademarks. After a ten year long battle between OIF (Osho International Foundation) Zurich led by Jayesh and OFI ( Osho Friends International) led by Swami Atul Anand, Osho Friends International has won. Congartulations and cheers to OFI for their unwavering devotion to fulfilling Osho’s wish.

Osho devised many meditation techniques in the late sixties and early seventies. Never in his lifetime did he express his wish to trademark the meditations, as he always felt that the meditations are a gift of Awakened Ones and are meant to raise the consciousness of humanity. He openly proclaimed this in one of his discourses in Gautama the Buddha auditorium: “Things can be copyrighted, thoughts cannot be copyrighted, and certainly meditation cannot be copyrighted. They are not things of the marketplace. Nobody can monopolise anything. But perhaps the West cannot understand the difference between an objective commodity and an inner experience”.

When asked how to protect the purity of his meditations, he gave a very simple solution: “Make my meditations as widely available as possible so that millions of people come to know them directly. That’s the only positive way; otherwise you will be wasting time and money in fighting with people”.

This was a very clear guideline and this was his wish. But a few years later, as time passed by, Jayesh did the opposite, going against the guideline and wishes of his Master. With the help of Amrito and Anando, he took a totally negative direction of dominating Osho sannyasins and lovers, and whoever did not toe their line was either ridiculed, harassed or banned from the commune. Talking about toes—I remember in one of the meetings between Amrito and Sw. Chaitanya Keerti, Amrito said: “Now we have got our copyrights and trademarks registered. We have the power to step on some people’s toes, and we intend to do that. “Feeling sad, Keerti reminded him: “These toes are of Osho’s sannyasins and lovers who are doing his work.”

And in their new found power and arrogance they started harassing and intimidating Osho sannyasins (who were involved with Osho’s work for years) with legal threats. In India, they began this with sending legal notice to Delhi-based Osho World Foundation prohibiting them to use Osho’s name ( www.oshoworld.com) on the web. Moreover very inhumanly they got thousands of copies of Osho’s books in France shredded because the sannyasin publishers were unable to pay royalties to OIF. Besides this, there are several examples where devoted sannyasin publishers and meditation center leaders were served legal notices forcibly discouraging them from contributing to Osho’s work and vision, thus creating anger and resentment among them.

Thanks to USPTO ( United States Patents and Trademarks Office) which in a strongly worded decision said: “Based upon the testimony and evidence of record we find that primary significance of Osho is as a religious or meditative movement and not as a source identifier for goods or services….As a result defendant cannot foreclose others from utilizing the term Osho.”

This landmark verdict came on 13th January 2009. But Jayesh and his team did not accept it. He filed a notice of appeal in the federal court on March 12, 2009 challenging the decision. Apparently he realised later on that there was nothing more to be said or added, and he had no hope of winning, he withdrew the appeal and OFI agreed to it. In mid July the federal court released the order dismissing the appeal. Now the trademarks of Osho and his meditations in the US finally stand as cancelled.

The sannyasins and lovers of Osho would find the decision as an end of a bitter episode. I do wish to reinforce the fact that now Jayesh should take constructive steps to get all the Osho trademarks cancelled in other countries wherever he has applied. I am sure thousands of Osho lovers would welcome this momentous decision and be delighted to seeing Osho and his meditations now freely available all over the world. It is equally important to recognize that this would save enormous amount of energy, time and money that he has been wasting. The same can be used in doing such things as organizing more and more meditation events around the world, publishing more books, especially the unpublished ones which are not available in the market; making Osho’s name, his photographs, his words, his meditations as widely available as possible. That will be the positive way, the Osho way, of protecting the purity of Osho and his vision.

Ma Yoga Neelam

(Personal secretary to Osho for India, She was appointed by Osho as one of the member of the Inner Circle, she also was his caretaker when Osho returned from USA and later after his coming back to India from the world tour).

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125 Responses to Osho’s Personal Secretary to India Makes Response to Present Conflicts

  1. shantam prem says:

    When people can not see the writings on the wall, it means something is wrong with their eyes or with the glasses they are wearing.
    When the Jayesh and his team had done such a blunder with the trademark issue, they did not hesitate to quote and misquote Osho As per their conditioning, their financial clout, is it not the same thing what they are doing with the Osho’s dry cleaning workshop for the soul at 17,Koregaon Park, Pune, India.
    After Osho’s physical departure, Ashram was supposed to be the world heritage site for the souls who are seeking more than what any books or lectures of any body can ever give.
    I am sure the next and the final step will be to make the ashram free from the clutches of Amrito,Jayesh and Co.
    Without doubt, there contribution is immense for the Physical taking care of Osho’s body and the property development but they have gone much beyond their mandate. I hope these elder brothers of us accept their limitations and allow His other people to join the dance, celebration and work meditation again.

    How they have gone beyond their mandate is like this joke, we have heard Osho saying,” Gorgeous Gloria phones her gynaecologist and said,” Doctor, it seems i have forgotten my panties in your observation room”. Doctor checks and replies,” Sorry, i have checked, not here at my practice.”
    Gloria hangs the phone,” Thanks. than it seems they are at dentist!”

    (shantam Prem is one of the half million disciple of Osho, who joined the Poona 2 phase from the bigining after one year of law Practice.)

  2. Kranti says:

    This seems to be a postive response to the question on ‘ How to make Osho available widely ‘..

    I do not think ‘ Not having Trademarks & Copyrights ‘ is a pre-condition to make Osho available widely , correct me if i am wrong.

    From the view point of Neelam and Chaitanya Keerthi Now Osho is NOT freely and widely available as it should have been because there are trademarks & copyrights hindering the way.

    But what if the same trademark and copyrights vests with Oshoworld or Neelam instead of OIF ? Will it still hinder the process of making Osho available widely and freely? Not sure ..

    But I do accept onething ..even if the Trademarks & Copyrights are transferred to more trustworthy hands you never know what the future holds..It can again be misued by someone down the line in future..So we can take a view that we are better off doing away with them completly rather than trying to control..

    May be thats what Osho means by saying ” That’s the only positive way; otherwise you will be wasting time and money in fighting with people”.

  3. Kranti says:

    Let me join this Identity Declaration although Osho kept telling us we are Nobody.( Kranti is also one of X million disciple of Osho..But a late joiner in Pune 3 , struggling to come to terms with certain things like Trademarks & Conflicts between Osho Groups..)

    So we have a Confident Pune 1 , Resisting 2 and a confused Pune 3

  4. Dilruba says:

    Maa Neelam … somehow this whole fight …whether it is about the podium … the trademark …. you have always been vocal …

    Osho is present with us always …. that includes Jayesh n his Team of Faithfuls …. and the rest of the World who are not even aware of Osho and his work

    Somehow all of us have done what is / had to be done according to whatever power / no power we have / had ….

    Coming to the present moment … Jayesh sadly / happily is
    trying to do what Osho would do ….. But Osho is Osho
    We all know that .

    And we have all created our personal Havens …. in the name of our Beloved Master … and Jayesh the poor / rich Fellow is no exception …. jus like us … but the only big difference being …. that Jayesh can never in his lifetime
    be able to give up his Post like the rest of us …..

    So Chareveti Chareveti ……. never forgetting to Celebrate

    Love Always

    Dilruba / Kavita

    { Dilruba part of the Osho community }

  5. Kranti says:

    ” Dilruba part of the Osho community “- Very vague identity – Can you be little more specific.. And why you have two names? Dilruba & Kavita? ( take it easy )

  6. garimo says:

    I love it when people speak from both/neither side of the coin/no-coin.
    It’s where I often/never find my self/no-self.
    -g

  7. Dilruba says:

    Dear Kranti …. Kavita is given by Father and Deva Dilruba is given by Osho …. but few friends call me Kavita … as they know me before my Sanyas …. and l never corrected them … so

    l like Dilruba ….

  8. kranti says:

    Me too..I also like Dilruba..hahaha

    And I like Kranti which was given to me by Osho

    And i like this No-self Garimo

    From today morning i am liking everyone.. I dont know why..

  9. kranti says:

    Is the osho.com server currently down?.. i am trying to see the No-Thought for the day..but unable to access

  10. Alok john says:

    Neelam writes : “be delighted to seeing Osho and his meditations now freely available all over the world.”

    Osho’s meditations were already freely available worldwide.

    Neelam writes : ‘Never in his lifetime did he express his wish to trademark the meditations, as he always felt that the meditations are a gift of Awakened Ones and are meant to raise the consciousness of humanity. He openly proclaimed this in one of his discourses in Gautama the Buddha auditorium: “Things can be copyrighted, thoughts cannot be copyrighted, and certainly meditation cannot be copyrighted. They are not things of the marketplace. Nobody can monopolise anything. But perhaps the West cannot understand the difference between an objective commodity and an inner experience”.’

    Neelam says Osho did not want his meditaions trademarked and then gives a quotation about copyright.

  11. Dilruba says:

    PS : though l would love be wrong about the Difference …
    on second thoughts …….
    Anyway Chareveti …. Celebrate…….Chareveti … Celebrate!

  12. shantam prem says:

    Kavita, you have written,” but the only big difference being …. that Jayesh can never in his lifetime
    be able to give up his Post like the rest of us ….. ”

    There is no need for Jayesh to give up his post. Only intelligent way is to restore other people’s post.
    Just imagine a father gives toys to all of his children and than one or two children booly the others and snatch their toys…. naturally there will be resentment, and confict.
    Father can restore the order but if he is dead and the bullying children have used the same childhood techniques to doctored the will as per their convinience….

    Great!

    many times life imitates the stories and the best stories are those where the son of a judge turns out to be a thief or when doctor has to opearte his own son or when a faithful wife comes to know that the cleaning woman is pregnent and she is carrying the step sibling for her boss children!

    As far as this platforum is concerned, Andreas, has expressed the need of some democratic and intelligent structure of governing but immediatly some voices come,” Papa did not say like this. Papa did not say like this.”

  13. Dilruba says:

    missed the ‘ to ‘ and also heart of heart …. one has to pay for sponteinity l guess !

  14. Dilruba says:

    lqbal …. For that the Bully needs a bigger Bully brother … and all the other siblings put together also have not been able to really retain their toys … this is the paradox of it all !

  15. Dilruba says:

    Shantam / lqbal

  16. kranti says:

    There is not only confusion between Trademarks/copyrights but also on the identities of people posting messages..

    Dilruba / Kavita
    Shantam / lqbal

    We will go nuts after few posts..( as though we are not already )

  17. yog nityanand says:

    it great,finally we won.

  18. Dilruba says:

    Yes Kranti one has to be a real nut to be with Osho ! l guess

  19. kranti says:

    Yes.. Alok.. You are right.. Thes Osho quote is about copyrights not trademarks.. But i also think Osho would have meant both.

    Also i would like to see Keerthi and Neelam to post details on how they propose to approach future – Making Osho widely available & how to prevent misuse in detail rather than seeing Osho quotes being thrown in to support the views.

    It will also give everyone of us more confidence that things are unfolding rightly and people who have the capacity to make a changes have clarity on what they propose to do.. ( whatever that can be posted in forum publicely..I do understand the sensitivity of other things which cannot be shared )

  20. kranti says:

    Yes Dilruba..Real nut..half nut will not do..That small rebelliouness or craziness is what puts you on the search..

    From young age my family used to think i am not that normal or obedient like everyone..Now i feel it is a blessing..It lead me to Osho..

  21. kranti says:

    osho.com server is up..accessible..

  22. james morrison says:

    the words of osho:
    And once Jesus is killed. the same people who killed Jesus will become Jesus’ followers, popes,
    bishops and priests. Again they are there to philosophize

    Buddha becomes the greatest source of philosophers: a strange phenomenon, unbelievable –
    because Buddha was utterly against philosophy.

    A playboy who had squandered a fortune was asked what he had done with all his money. He
    answered, ”Some went for liquor and fast automobiles, and most went for women. The rest I spent
    foolishly.”

    And you can see how difficult it is to communicate. I say one thing, you will understand another.
    People will understand according to their level of understanding.

    But once Buddha died, great philosophical schools arose. It had never happened in the whole world
    as it happened in India after Buddha. The man who for his whole life was against philosophy and
    philosophizing, became the source of the greatest philosophical endeavor ever. Thirty-six schools
    of philosophy were born when Buddha died. And the people that he had always condemned all
    gathered together to philosophize about him.
    And see the beauty, the irony of it all! They started philosophizing about why Buddha kept silent.
    Why he did not say anything about the beyond: that became their philosophy!

    Ironic that once osho died, the man who loved freedom more than any other being ever has become the focus on how to control him…sad, but predictable.

    I would still like an answer why we the sannyasins don’t physically remove these idiots from power? Do they have guns or something?

  23. kranti says:

    The OFI site read like this among other things about trademark

    ” If OIF Zurich cannot legally control all Osho centers and individuals using Osho, if OIF Zurich is not the source of the goods and services produced by the centers and individuals, and if OIF Zurich cannot guarantee the quality of all the goods and services of the Osho centers and individuals, then Osho cannot be a trademark for OIF Zurich. then Osho is a term indicating a If the centers and individuals are independent and produce their own goods and services, connection to the man Osho, but it can never be a trademark for any one company or person”

    OIF may not be currently in control of everything like what is required to own the trademark is..But the effort of OIF is to gain that type of control thru these laega battles.. Isnt it?

    It says ” If the centers and individuals are independent and produce their own goods and services, ”

    Why will they produce ” their own goods and services ” It all has to be ‘Osho ‘ devised Isnt it?

    On the one hand we say everyone needs the right use / spread Osho goods / products and On the other hand we say ” If the centers and individuals are independent and produce their own goods and services, ” then OIF cannot be the owner of trademark

    And when we say ” If the centers and individuals are independent and produce their own goods and services, ” Then the centres WILL produce their own goods and services and call it Osho goods and services

    There seems to be Logic turned upside down..

    But i may be completely wrong..i have limited knowledge on this.This thread is also a very limited platform for such big issue where even courts took 10 years to decide..Neverthless i posted ..

  24. kranti says:

    James.. It happned to poor Buddha because He didnt have Trademarks and Copyrights to protect his work.. Poor Guy.. Lived without all this legal protections..

    Now we have the same..But it seems we will not take it..25 Years down the line we will all philosophize
    what Osho said or didnt.. and with Osho it is going to be a serious trouble because of the nature of his speeches..

    P.S: Man! How I still ocillate hugely between Trademarks and No Trademarks..

  25. kranti says:

    James you say

    ” would still like an answer why we the sannyasins don’t physically remove these idiots from power? Do they have guns or something? ”

    No.. James.. all said and done the people who are running pune & OIF are beautiful Osho sannyasins in love with Osho.. Like Shantam said only because of their tireless effort so much of postive things have happend.. We should not jump on them just because there are few difference of opinions on trademarks..

    Everyone has their strength.. Osho certainly knew what Amrito and Jayesh is capabl of.. and to be fair to them they have done their beautifully.. It is JUST NOT FAIR..

  26. james morrison says:

    dear kranti
    fair enough
    thank you
    i guess i was being poetic more than anything else, felt good to ask the question though <3

  27. james morrison says:

    Dear kranti how about this one
    I’m all for the just trust approach….
    “A fool is one who goes on trusting; a fool is one who goes on trusting against all his experience. You deceive him, and he trusts you; and you deceive him again, and he trusts you; and you deceive him again, and he trusts you. Then you will say that he is a fool, he does not learn. His trust is tremendous; his trust is so pure that nobody can corrupt it. Be a fool in the Taoist sense, in the Zen sense. Don’t try to create a wall of knowledge around you. Whatsoever experience comes to you, let it happen, and then go on dropping it. Go on cleaning your mind continuously; go on dying to the past so you remain in the present, herenow, as if just born, just a babe. In the beginning it is going to be very difficult. The world will start taking advantage of you…let them. They are poor fellows. Even if you are cheated and deceived and robbed, let it happen, because that which is really yours cannot be robbed from you, that which is really yours nobody can steal from you. And each time you don’t allow situations to corrupt you, that opportunity will become an integration inside. Your soul will become more crystallized”
    love

  28. kranti says:

    ” I’m all for the just trust approach “..Did you say you are for that appraoch..Man you are changing..and that too ‘ for just trust ‘ appraoch.. It was beautiful quote though ( as though there are ‘ not beautiful qoutes’ by Osho ” )

    Man! He covered every single aspect of life you can think of.. so vast..

  29. Dilruba says:

    James … the Truth is no one can kill a Jesus/Buddha …… as he is Awareness himself …. unless he himself wants to be killed [physically / otherwise]

    and about sanyassins physically removing the people in power …. is also ironic … as the people who come in power are also going to be replaced by same kind of energies … in a different body

    Neelam ,Tathagat , Kirti have been replaced by Sadhana n Devendra …

    there is something much deeper happening than which can be seen with the naked eye … which l guess we all know …..

  30. kranti says:

    Dilruba.. after postinfg few messages i was beginning to think i have little bit of sharpness..But you brought me down to earth with a thud..

    What you mean by ” which l guess we all know “.. what deeper thing you are talking about?

  31. Dilruba says:

    l guess one has find that for oneself … or jus trust … whatever is happenning….. l dont know

  32. kranti says:

    More OFi stuff.. they quote Osho like this

    ” The world headquarters will be publishing my books, will be releasing my tapes, videotapes, will be doing every kind of work…… ”

    Is that not Pune has been doing as far as publising is concerned.. So if we want everyone to have publishing rights then is that not against what Osho said..This really seems contradictory..

  33. kranti says:

    There is a saying in law that Law is a Donkey.. It will bite you if you are infront of it and it will kick you if you are behind it.. This seems to be happening in this legal battle..

  34. kranti says:

    Swami Chaitanya Keerthi & Neelam..

    Trust you will reply to this post of mine as i really feel i am looking at the core of the issue

    We can easily quote Osho to support both the views.

    After all if the court has taken 10 long years to decide there must have been legal truth on both sides..Their ultimate decision seem to suggest everything is simple and straightforward..But i dont think it is true..Otherwise a legally evolved court like the US one would not have taken this much time..

    The more deeper we look into the details the more it looks that this is not supposed to be a legal battle.. It should not have gone to court..

    This again emphasizes my point that the real question also does not seem to be whether trademarks required or not ..It is more of how it is being used…

    There is a Osho quote to this effect also ” ” The world headquarters will be publishing my books, will be releasing my tapes, videotapes, will be doing every kind of work…… ”

    Is that not Pune Mgt has been doing as far as publishing is concerned..

    There seems to be a diversion of what everyone wanted along the line due to communication problem than anything else..( which is often means lack of openess ) rather than a technical issue on trademark..

    I know you did reply to me that you made all the efforts to solve issues by communicating but Pune was not receptive..

    But still there must be a way to make it happen.. I have a strong feeling that few more attempts to bring people together outside court will result in a better and postive solutions than fighting legal battles

    Again we can quote Osho here to understand he didnt want his sannyasins to waste time and money in legal battles ..At what point we need to decide communications have failed is very subjective…

    If Osho had been there what he would have adviced.. I dont think He would have suggested His sannyasins to use court help no matter what is happening with communication..He will say ‘ surrender ‘

    So the onus seems to be on people who went to court ..they seems to have gone against Osho by going to court rather contnuing their efforts on communication..

  35. Anthony Thompson says:

    I have the feeling that what we are faced with is the idealization of Osho´s wishes.
    All of Osho´s meditations were shown in any catalog describing his work with the word TM after them, from the ranch time on. The name Rajneesh was also shown in the same way. The quote from osho about copyrights was not referring to his work, but to other people complaining about his uses of words like buddha and so on.
    as Alok john rightly points out, Osho meditations have been always available to anyone who wants to lead them,. provided they do not change the structure. and if they do, they were just asked not to be called osho meditations.
    No one was ever harrassed for leading an osho meditation without permission.
    Prem Isabel, former p.r. of the ranch confided to me that Osho was personally interested that his work should be trade maked and that the word Rajneesh should be associated with all his products, including the meditations.
    Osho was personally interested in all the legal aspects regarding the foundation and his work. To show him as a free flowing master absolutely uninterested in these matters is a just a political strategy and a denial of the truth
    Finally, Neelam was not osho´s personal secretary, but osho´s secretary to India. Osho´s personal secretary was Anando

  36. swami says:

    kranti, there was no legal truth on the side of the trademark. Starting the process and then resisting the removal of such claims has taken ten years. The statement was totally on the side of no trademark, the board also accused the claimant of falsification of the facts, the result was undeniable and yet to carry it on a few more months they put in a worthless appeal, which was of course withdrawn.
    There is no country in the world that will support the Osho trademark now that the american court has ruled against, sannyasins all around the world should begin challenges against the trademark with claims against the management for all expenses.

  37. Prem Buddha says:

    Funny that Neelam mentions Anando together with Jayesh and Amrito. Still some hang over of the former secretary competitions maybe…? Anando left the Inner Circle 6 years ago, muscled out by some of Jayesh muscle games and is since then residing and working in Italy.

  38. Anthony Thompson says:

    Prem Buddha. Anando did not leave the inner circle because she was ” muscled out” by Jahesh. She left because she did not want to live in India any more or being entangled with the practical workings of the resort. she wanted to travel, live in Italy and lead groups. but she is every year in the resort leading groups and hanging out.

  39. kranti says:

    This is the reason i was requesting Anthony to come in.. Only he can provide us lot of facts as he has spent 23 years researching.. He spoke to so many people directly …

  40. kranti says:

    I have seen Anando in pune in recent years.. so no question of this ‘ muscled out ‘ and all

    Atleast when it comes to what we hear about all these harassing and all i am not going to believe gossips..90% seems to be sheer gossip and nothing else..

  41. kranti says:

    Swami

    Agree.. there might have been technical reasons for the delay rather tha truth related.

    It still does not answer critical questions..

    The whole issue is being twisted out of shape here..

    How a simple legal tool will not allow people to freely run Osho meditations.. Not logical at all..

    Can you tell us how Trademark & Copyrights is not allowing free flow of Osho?

    You need to differentiate between ‘ No Trademarks ‘ & ‘ Trademarks misused “. Both are two different issues.

    Will we have done away with Trademarks & Copyrights if it had been with Oshoworld or Neelam and it was properly used ? Honestly I dont think so..

    Can someone anwer Anthony on the fact that Osho had always been interested in trademarking? Infact in that quote of Osho on world headquarters having rights it was very obivious he wanted publishing rights to stay with one organization..not free for all

    Seems OIF didnt appeal just to delay the case for few months but they understood there is no point fighting..

    Osho never wanted his sanyasins to fight legal battles and thats is visible from Neelams post itself .. So the onus is on OFI to tell the world why they preferred to go to court rather than sorting it outside ..

  42. Full quote for Alok John

    Things can be copyrighted, thoughts cannot be copyrighted, and certainly meditation cannot be copyrighted. They are not things of the marketplace. “Nobody can monopolize anything. But perhaps the West cannot understand the difference between an objective commodity and an inner experience.
    Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has copyrighted transcendental meditation and just underneath in a small circle you will find written TM – that means trademark! For ten thousand years the East has been meditating and nobody has put trademarks upon meditations. And above all, that transcendental meditation is neither transcendental nor meditation… just a trademark.

    I have told Neelam to reply to these people, “You don’t understand what meditation is. It is nobody’s belonging, possession. You cannot have any copyright. Perhaps if your country gives you trademarks and copyrights on things like meditation, then it will be good to have a copyright on stupidity. That will help the whole world to be relieved… Only you will be stupid and nobody else can be stupid; it will be illegal.”

    Osho: Om shantih shantih shantih

  43. kranti says:

    The problem is aggravated because on the side of OFI and People who took the battle to court there are two kinds of people.. People like Keerthi and Neelam with love for Osho and ‘ others’ with bitter stories..

    Not everyone will have good intentions about freeing trademarks as they keep misquoting Osho to support their views.. wait and see for 2 years and all the people who are supporting ‘ Free Trademark ‘ will start misusing and Oshoworld will be forced to start fighting against those people..

  44. kranti says:

    TM = Trade Mark..I didnt get that initially..Now laughing..Osho is Osho

  45. Swami chaitanya Keerti says:

    Beloved Kranti
    The court battle was started by OIF when we first registered our web site http://www.oshoworld.com
    We won it and OIF could not get it removed. During this battle we were informed that they were the owners of everything of Osho. According to them I was their employee, even Osho was their employee, as he was merely an author and they were publishers. all these ridiculous thigs needed challenging, since OIF did not communicate to any of us with love==only with legal notices. Not a single email or phone call–they were looking for only some toes to step on them.
    They even had forgotten this language which we all used in the time when osho was in the body. There was no Beloved, No Love==only Mr. here we are serving you this legal notice, expect a knock at the door from police sent by us. This was their language. You could check this from one Western sannyasin who worlked on Osho’s autobigraphy.. there are so many such examples.
    A German sannyasin uses just one quote of Osho in his centre adverisement in one magazine and he was threatened with 25000 dollar notice….
    But Kranti it seems you are not so receptive to get the point, and you go on and on coming back with points that have been answered, either you dont read fully ior dont comprehend. Please read the earlier posts a few times more.
    Love to you

  46. kranti says:

    And i dont think we will arrive anywhere by quoting Osho.. Osho covered all aspects of things from number of perspectives…

    It will be difficult to arrive at any kind of conclusions by quoting Osho..

    Anthony is right.. Instead of focusing on the issue and talking about what is the need of the hour we are idealizing Osho’s wishes which is not possible because of the nature of his speeches..

    If we can idealize few things Osho said we can also create a dogma / religion around him..It is not healthy..

  47. Prem Buddha says:

    Anando comes every year to lead her groups in Pune in the winter, but she has lost her room in Lao Tzu house and is not part of the Inner Circle anymore (since 6 years), so no need from Neelam to put her together with Jayesh and Amrito
    (see above). She comes as all of us come to Pune as visitors, doing meditations, running groups etc.
    Since Neelam is also every winter in Pune she should be aware of these details and not defame her.

  48. kranti says:

    I am really sorry Keerthi if that is the impression i have given..I didnt mean to hurt you or be repetitive..

    Sorry again.. I honestly feel no one is answering how trademark will negatively impact free flow of Osho .

    If required Oshoworld can take the trademarks and copyrights and ensure it is not misused ..that seem to be a more effective & appropriate solution than free trademark.. Again it is just my view..Hope you dont mind me suggesting like that..

    Free trademark seems to be not good and also looking at what Anthony says it seems Osho also wanted the same..although it is through Prem Isabel not direct quote.

  49. alok john says:

    Thanks Keerti. I just don’t think one should take every word Osho says literally. There are plenty of discourses where you just have to let it go. For example the latter parts of ‘I am the Gate’ where Osho says Hitler was part of an esoteric group pledged to save humanity.

    The only person I ever knew who “got in trouble” with OIF was the late Pari/Sam who published a book about 12 years ago called ‘Life of Osho.’

    This has a good description of Pune 1 including Pari’s adventures as an international trafficker of marijuana.

    The latter half of the book gives pari’s understanding of Osho’s work with chapters on “the chakras.” I thought the latter part of the book was poor and Pari’s understanding of Osho was limited.

    I thought ‘Life of Osho’ was a provocative title; it would have been better entitled ‘My Life with Osho.’

    I thought it was understandable that OIF was unhappy with it.
    Pari received a OIF lawyers’ letter which he ignored. Nothing more came of it and Pari went on with self-publication and distribution.

    Was OIF “heavy-handed”? I think not.

  50. Prem Buddha says:

    sannyasnews heads this article as ‘Osho’s personal secretary makes response’.
    I think we have to be careful not to create names here, which will stick for eternity. Neelam was ‘Osho’s secretary for India’ and for a limited time.
    And since Osho died 20 years ago, what is this title supposed to mean? So Devageet stays Osho’s dentist forever, Arpita- Osho’s shoemaker forever, Amrito,
    Osh’s personal doctor forever? Don’t these people move on and have a life? I mean TWENTY TEARS?

  51. shantam prem says:

    Dilruba/Kavita- …For that the Bully needs a bigger Bully brother … and all the other siblings put together also have not been able to really retain their toys … this is the paradox of it all !

    Exactly kavita, this paradox bewilders me. It is one of the most interesting psychological question. May be one can look into the collective psychology of the sannyasins, most of whom come from very analytically developed countries and the psychology of the Indian sannyasins too.
    Without doubt i will give all the marks to Jayesh for playing such a classic game of power, specially the way he creates the network of everybody who matters, that too in a foreign country, so much so that an ex. film star turned Bhagwan’s poster boy in India and than a minister in a ruling coalition who had all the good vibes with OFI people could not move even an inch against the resort establishment.
    I am sure if Jayesh is given the responsibility of GM, he will turn the venture into profitability, but to deal with the complexities of disciple’s emotions and devotion is too much beyond his grasp.
    Best scenario is possible only if the communication lines between two hands of Osho take place.
    The arms which hugged for years, have gone stiff. it is called Paralysis.
    It is not an incurable disease.
    Let the managers from both sides do the 21 days Mystic Rose Meditation “together”. Just 21 days and world can have a new break through in the conflict management system.

    And also Mystic Rose is not from Mahesh Yogi or mr. Mr. Ravi Shankar or the man who wrote the book with similar name. It is a 100 Osho meditation.
    But they will not do this. It will be too shameful for them to cry and weep and laugh their pride out. it is a paradox too that those who live by the word Meditation hardly get the wish to do this.
    Common minimum programme is always possible. Look at the collision politics in India or the great collision between the two major political ideologies in Germany.
    It is a paradox, politicians all over the world are learning more and more to use common sense and the so called mediators with pride on their nose of NO MIND are lost in their endeavours.
    They need again a dose of dehypnotism.

    shantam(iqbal)

  52. kranti says:

    Prem

    To be fair to them they are just normal sanysins as any other now.. Only the outside world tries to identify them with the roles they played when Osho was in body.. I dont think they are hanging on to those roles now.

  53. kranti says:

    Shantam.. Superb post..Powerful punch

    ” Best scenario is possible only if the communication lines between two hands of Osho take place.”

    What better solution can there be?

    I also keep saying the same thing ..that the issue is one of communication not legal..

    Assume If Amrito and Jayesh come forward for discussion and take back all the people to Inner Circle again . will we have this trademark issue?

    Again we can start arguing it will never happen..

    But my point is the whole lagal battle came up because communication broke down..

  54. shantam prem says:

    ALok John-
    I thought ‘Life of Osho’ was a provocative title; it would have been better entitled ‘My Life with Osho.
    In this particular case,it is natural that the main governing body will send a leagl notice.
    Neelam Keerti etc. as part of the team would have agreed too.
    When Neelam’s long term partner and the original inner circle member was publically striped off from his working position, under the clause; misuse of the power; Neelam and Keerti and everybody accepted this too harsh and disproportinate punishment with the team spirit.
    Just tell me what was the need to take the Osho head quarters from Pune to New york and Zürich. same way had Osho mentioned to them to dismental the Buddha Hall. In Amrito’s own words, ” Osho simply requested to redo his bed room.”
    It seems few people treat Osho’s work as the hairs on their pubs. Let me keep it, let me shave it, everything is under control!

  55. kranti says:

    ” The arms which hugged for years, have gone stiff. it is called Paralysis.It is not an incurable disease.”

    Yes It is curable..Awesome .. This is THE solution..

    Any takers?

  56. kranti says:

    Shantam..You are in flow.. Keep going for sake of Osho

  57. shantam prem says:

    Assume If Amrito and Jayesh come forward for discussion and take back all the people to Inner Circle again . will we have this trademark issue?

    Yes Kranti…..

    This assumption needs to be tunred into reality.

    Amrito and Jayesh must give the second thought to their ways of doing the things.
    They must do it for the sake of their love for Osho and the great civilised democratic countries they come from and more over for their own hidden potentials.

    I am 100% sure Neelam, Keerti and co. will immediately take the plane to Pune for working and hugging these fellow colleagues again.
    If East and West Germany can become one again i see no problem to see Osho word in Delhi and Osho Nisarga in Dharamshala as the extension of the same Banyan tree of Osho In Pune.

    The iron is Hot…Time is Now to end a shameful chapter into a new bigining. Amen!!!

  58. kranti says:

    ” The iron is Hot…Time is Now to end a shameful chapter into a new bigining. Amen!!! ‘

    People like me and Shantam , Alok and Anthony dont have any personal interest or prejuice..We are only trying to take a unbiased view .. We may have limitations in terms of information we know or we dont know ..We dont lack in Love for Osho..

    Hope Keerthi , Neelam , Jayesh and Amrito are hearing the voice of Osho echoed via loving sannyasins..

  59. Prem Buddha says:

    Kranti…don’t be naive. Look at the headlines. There is alot to be milked from the gullible pockets of Indian Osho friends…..

    Shantam Prem: the Zuerich ‘office’, actually always a mailbox at Herr Meier, has always been existing. In physical terms the ‘office’ moved to London after osho’s detah, from there to Scottsdale, where it merged with the leftovers from Chidvilas US book distribution, from there to the glorious US NY office at lexington and then down to Union Square. A rather sudden shift occured from there back to London. The US operation made sense for the big publishing contracts with major US publishers.
    Jayesh is Canadian, so maybe London is better now as a financial hub and possible video possibilities in Spain and Italy….

  60. kranti says:

    ” No permission is required to use any of the marks as an accurate factual reference to the practice or teaching of Osho Meditation techniques, provided you as user accurately identify yourself by your own name (not including Osho as part of the name unless you are our licensee).

    The only restriction is that if you are teaching or presenting Osho Meditations publicly, you need to ensure that what you are offering is as described and presented in detail on the meditation area of osho.com, with its correct title, for example, Osho Dynamic Meditation, and is accompanied by the music specifically created for that meditation. ”

    This is from osho.com website on trademark.. Is that too much to ask for?

    Atleast from what they have given in the site it does not seem so..Very explicit permission to use the trademarks in a right manner.. unless its not adhered to in reality and legal notices were served even when people stick to this ..

    I doubt an organization can say onething about trademark in the website and do quite another in reality in which case court will certainly notice..

    May be those kind of things only Keerthi refers to..There may be a natural disconnect for outsiders.

  61. kranti says:

    ” Kranti…don’t be naive. Look at the headlines. There is alot to be milked from the gullible pockets of Indian Osho friends ”

    Sorry Prem.. Can you be more explicit.. I have lost most of my sharpness with all this discussion about Trademarks..

  62. kranti says:

    The NY office is / was only a licensing office in the name of ‘Osho International ‘.. Business convenience..nothing more..

    It reflects in their website data as something which makes business sense..

    They say ” In 2004 alone Osho International signed 395 publishing agreements for Osho titles worldwide – the equivalent of more than one new Osho title or reprint per day..”

    I am not sure about what moved to London then?

  63. Dilruba says:

    Shantam / lqbal ….. you are right l also feel the same maybe all these guys need to do some group together and hug each other once again …. like Anando . Devageet, Manisha …. Neelam Tathagat , Kirti … all together in the Ashram … and again Osho Explosion … Enough of Sanyasin Paralysis !

    To All Sanyassins : and Enough of the other historical facts on Buddhist Sects… maybe we can all change History of Disciples jus like our Master changed the History of Masters … we All owe to him somehow !

  64. shantam prem says:

    To echo further the sentiments and the wisdom of the grass root sannyasins, i wish to request Neelam And Keerti; let they write to jayesh and Amrito and get invited at the ashram/resort.
    Let the winning side shows the humility to share the victory with the looser side.
    We are not here to humiliate any one.
    Let Keerti Draft the “Press Release” in this context and give themselves an open invitation for an open and honest discussion whose minutes will be recorded for the world to see.
    personal and tiny egos have no place when the communication is for a bigger cause. If inspite of all the LIVE discourses and groups His very own people are unable to break the freeze in the communication, i wll request them to burn all the Osho titels, stop all the so called meditations and ugly group names like,” Path of the Heart or Zen and the art of arrogance” etc.
    When we are unable to find an amicable solution about the ashram/resort, let the property be donated to Blue Diamond Hotel or to the neighbourhood Inlaks Hospital.
    This is an historical moment. When the Europe can drop the boundaries and their sovereign currency for the sake of unified Europe and Euro, why the fuck sannyasins are living in a Coma, that too the first generation sannyasins with an Alibi to be at the feet of the Master!

  65. Dilruba says:

    Shantam / lqbal … Yes there has to be something done ……..

    in nov 2007 … l visited Nisarga …when l met Tathagat …l asked him” if it was ever possible to see this part of the family
    again in the Poona Ashram … jus like Devageet , Anando ,Manisha being there inspite of them doing their own thing ” …
    and he said ” We will definitely come when we win the case ”..
    maybe its Time now to Come …

    We are sure things can be sorted out …. as one big Family…..

  66. Kranti says:

    YES Shantam and Dilruba

    They lived with a Buddha..and everyday they got up and sat infront Osho to drop some part of the ego for 30 , 40 years….By any stretch of imagination no ego /resistance should be left by now atleast when it comes to Osho’s cause leaving other things

    All these people have written books / written articles / spoken so much and guided so may people on the path.. about dropping ego…They sang songs of Love day in Day out…They sat and danced in cosmic bliss & ecstacy

    Come Come Yet Again Come , Walking in Zen , Sitting in Zen , Ah! This 1000 times this

    Wow.. All that for what? To see this within 20 years of Osho leaving his body?

    It is just not right… It is just not love & gratitude for Osho

    Please everyone come..Yet again come..Lets celebrate Osho again

  67. Kranti says:

    ‘ Us ‘ dancing with all these people in Buddha Grove … Melting in Ecstacy & Love … Setting an example to the whole world..Thats really spreading Osho Vision..As widely and as deeply as possible..

    ( Wake up Kranti Wake Up.. No..Its alright …the dream is sooooooooo beautiful..Let me dream little more ..Nothing wrong ..Who knows It may become a reality next month)

  68. Kranti says:

    Neelam Calls ” Celebrate! Friends, Celebrate! ”

    Neelam! Call everyone including Jayesh and Amrito, Otherwise It is not right kind of Invitation..Dont be so miserly and call only your friends who fought the legal battle..

  69. Prem Buddha says:

    For example: people like to create their own Osho Kundalini Meditation or create their own short versions of Osho Dynamic -maybe 200 minutes in total. osho was against these kind of changes. So therefore some kind of ‘office’ is needed.
    The so-called license office actually has been winning architectural awards in NY. To get these contracts with major US publishers like St. Martins Press were not easy to achieve at a time, when Osho’s name in the US was still ‘bad’.
    I am not agreeing to all what has come out of Jayesh’s ‘forever kingdom’, but it is not all bad either. More explicit Kranti: with a name of ‘Osho’s secretary’ you have access to a lot of funds of innocent Indian sannyasins. No complaint, Atul’s funds helped the legal case against OIF.

  70. garimo says:

    Prem Buddha,
    Do you have any evidence that Indian Sannyasins become involuntarily stupid whenever they hear the words “Osho’s secretary”?

    To my mind it seems kind of like a unsupportable exaggerated insinuation.

    Is it?

    -g

  71. Press Release
    As suggested by Shantam….a brief news release may be more effective than the long one, with all the discussions.

    We fought a case of trademarks. Some people were supposed to lose it and some were supposed to win it. There must have been some purpose in registering them and some purpose in geting them cancelled. Appeal from OIF to withdraw had also some purpose, may be some good sense prevailed or change of heart or coming down from head to heart.

    Now let the better sense prevail.

    It will be 20 years of Osho leaving the body on 19 January 2010, let all Osho sannyasins and lovers come together in Pune to have a grand celebration, leaving the past behind, embracing each other afresh for the Eternal Now–that is Osho.
    Love to you all my friends
    Swami Chaitanya Keerti

  72. Dilruba says:

    Yes Garimo …. this is an unsupportable exxaggerated insunuiation … since lam an lndian by birth …. but after we come to Osho we somehow dont associate with our nationality in the same way as we might have before … and if we do then it is better to go to Baba Ramdeo or any such man … who propagates this kind of sentiment …. and this lam not saying with any arrogance but becos here with Osho we have to drop all our stupidities not as a rule but
    to really enjoy being oneself / share with the whole Universe ….
    Love Dilruba

  73. Dilruba says:

    Beautiful Swamiji …. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  74. shantam prem says:

    Prem Buddha,
    Below are the first sentences about Osho’s biography at St. martin Press….

    “OSHO is one of the most provocative and inspiring spiritual teachers of the twentieth century. Known for his revolutionary contribution to the science of inner transformation, the influence of his teachings continues to grow, reaching seekers of all ages in virtually every country of the world.”

    I hope you and other people are mature enough to know the diference between the words MASTER OR INSPIRING SPIRITUAL TEACHER.
    Can the editors of St. Martin Press dare to say; master instead of teacher. Just one simple word…..master instead of teacher!

    If you want to kill Osho, use the word teacher for Him..

    When people who don’t know Osho, say that he is rascal, thug, Maglomanic it is all acceptable…but when business men mind of spiritually impotant disciples allow to degrade and dilute His being,,,it is just SHAME.
    I SPIT on those sannyasins who are taking the poison out from a snake so that they can play snake charmer!…
    I hope we all have heard the proverb, ” Better to be a bull for a day than to be a ox for a life.”

  75. shantam prem says:

    Great.. Swami Keerti..

    This we need, a grand celebration for Osho.
    From 11-12-2009 till 19.01.2010. these forty days as 20 th Anniversary of Osho leaving the body celebration…

    for these celebration, Dhyanesh will be asked not to take out the ” Not Allowed” list from the lockers.
    An Open Invitation to all Osho sannyasins, lovers and friends….A new chapter of mutual coopertaion and harmony….Even Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe has accepted the waves of change…..

  76. kranti says:

    Swami Chaitanya Keerthi

    I am tears.. I am sitting in office sorrounded by 200 people but feel like dancing… I am in joy….Beautiful.. Thank you

    Ah This.. 1000 times This

    One humble request..A message in sannyasnews may go unnoticed by Pune.. Can it be a formal Invitation sent to them .. Please….. What is the use of Invitation if they will not see the same.. Please

  77. kranti says:

    Wow… This feeling is really beautiful… Awesome …

    Words cant describe what i am feeling now..

  78. Chetna says:

    “It will be 20 years of Osho leaving the body on 19 January 2010, let all Osho sannyasins and lovers come together in Pune to have a grand celebration, leaving the past behind, embracing each other afresh for the Eternal Now–that is Osho.
    Love to you all my friends
    Swami Chaitanya Keerti

    Sw Keerti-definately yes!!! Wow! But can we all get in, or some will be banned??

    We should definately do it!!!!

  79. kranti says:

    Shatam.. Let us forget the past.. forgive those sanysins

    We are standing infront of a beautiful possibility.. Let us keep ourselves very positive and loving

    It is not enough what we have done so far.. This has to be converted in to a reality although Swami Chaitanya Keerthi has opened up the possibility..

    The Invitation has to somehow reach Pune..in a positive way..

    May be Someone can go to Pune directly and discuss the possibility of this Celebration..Someone to whom Pune will be receptive..

  80. Beloved Kranti
    I am sure all these messages are monitored. This is one of the very few websites which is read by them. And a discussion triggered by Ma Neelam’s letter is not going to be ignored any way.
    And there are some sannyasins who keep them informed and get answers from them to post them here on behalf of them.
    I have known some posts which has been written with help from some people in the resort, as the people in the resort did not chose to communicate directly. It was safer this way. You know about shadow boxing.
    Let’s have a big laugh.
    Love

  81. kranti says:

    Wow..If only this comes true…

    I am looking at a larger picture.. It is not a question of few people dropping conflicts and coming together..thats is a basic condition

    It has very large implications and precedent for the world..

    This also means some kind of compomise from both sides on their POLICIES which need to be accepted for the larger cause..Osho

    Pune may have to dilute their appraoch in some aspects and move from Head to Heart ..more deeper

    Sw. Chaitanya Keerthi & Neelam may have to accept few of the Pune management views on preventing possible worships

    Both have to work together to convert this trademark issue into a kind of collective ownership with more space for everyone..

  82. kranti says:

    Thank you Swami Chaitanya Keerthi.. Thank you.. Thank you

  83. kranti says:

    100 times Thank you from my heart

  84. shantam prem says:

    Keerti Swami, for sure, you are the master of Press releases.
    I hope this release gets newspaper space, and also courier to Amrito and Jayesh, with the love for them.
    it will show also that We, the sannyasins don’t believe in conflicts but their management in a positive and celebrative way.

  85. kranti says:

    Why shouldnt we create a beautiful Invitation , may be a digital one and we all sign ( put our name atleast ) and send to Pune.. is it possible?

  86. kranti says:

    Somtimes it is easier for the winning side to Invite easily.. But it may not be easy for the other side to accept.. So the invitation has to be with as much love and respect as possible..It really need to express what we all feel from our heart

  87. Chetna says:

    maybe we can all change History of Disciples jus like our Master changed the History of Masters … we All owe to him somehow !

    What a cool statement!

  88. kranti says:

    Yes.. Very beautiful Statement …like a seed having great potential

  89. Dilruba says:

    OSHO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  90. kranti says:

    Save it for the Celebration in Pune Dilruba..

  91. kranti says:

    Neelam has not participated after triggering the thread

    Neelam.. It will be appropriate if you also Invite Pune to participate in the celebration & possible discussions which Sw Chaitanya Keerthi has suggested..

  92. Beloved Kranti
    You should prove ttrue to your name. It is your chance to bring the revolution.
    Best Wishes

    PS: Ma yoga Neelam has given her statement, and this is it. This is what she had to say, she said it.
    She is not a Netty person. She never particiaptes in any discussions on the net.

  93. kranti says:

    ” It is your chance to bring the revolution.”

    It is a big responsibility Sw Keerthi , especially for someone who is an ordinary sanyasin like me. Thats the reason i am using this forum to express myself.. But i am willing to particpate in any effort when it comes to Osho..

    You can see how anxious I am .. Even in posting messages although at the cost of sounding repetitive

    I am not as fortunate to be with Osho like you and Neelam..But nevertheless fell in Love with Osho later..

    I am simply impatient & Cant wait to see something like that Celebration happen…already worried that this open invitation should become a reality

    Me and Shantam from germany keep talking to each other that we should keep requesting / asking everyone ..and who knows ..beautiful things can happen..

    You and Neelam can do wonders to all the sanyssins in the world Sw Keerthi , if that celebration and further discusions can happen.. As and when it happens we can see the significance of that event in the world of Osho and the subsequent flow of energy globally

  94. Dilruba says:

    Life is in Abundance … why Save …. Kranti

    it is being replenished every moment !!!!!!!!!

  95. kranti says:

    Take it easy Dilruba-Kav itha.. Just like that i said..

  96. Dilruba says:

    it is a simple response Dear !

  97. kranti says:

    Sure..Thank you

    Excitement & Celebration in the Air..

  98. kranti says:

    Wondering wehether Swami Chaitanya Keerthi’s Open Invitation should be created by the Editors as a new thread.. So it can stay open as In Invitation rather than getting burried among other discussions..Not suer whether Editors will take the lead or someone should forward it to them again..

  99. kranti says:

    Anyway I have gone ahead and requested the Editors to open that Invitation as a new thread so that it will have better visibility to all..Trust they will do it considering the significance of that Invitation..

  100. kranti says:

    Just came across a nice joke.. I cant post pictures here..so text alone i am posting

    We have 3 stupid stages of life..

    Teen age: Have Time + Energy …but No Money

    Working Age: Have Money + Energy …but No Time

    Old age: Have Time + Money …but no Energy

    Let us celebrate when energy is there

  101. Prem Buddha says:

    Shantam…St. Martin’s Press is a NY based major US publisher. Due to the contracts with St. Martin’s Press Osho’s books are now widely available here in the US. This took a lot of dedicated work to make possible.
    As sannyasins we all know the difference between a master and a teacher, but for some editor in a high rise in NY this concepts are alien. Plus probably these texts are supplied to them by OIF.
    But overall I find it is a great achievement by OIF to make all the book contracts possible. Let’s give Pramod credit, where it is well deserved.

  102. Anand says:

    Shantam…St. Martin’s Press is a NY based major US publisher. Due to the contracts with St. Martin’s Press Osho’s books are now widely available here in the US. This took a lot of dedicated work to make possible.
    As sannyasins we all know the difference between a master and a teacher, but for some editor in a high rise in NY this concepts are alien. Plus probably these texts are supplied to them by OIF.
    But overall I find it is a great achievement by OIF to make all the book contracts possible. Let’s give Pramod credit, where it is well deserved.

  103. kranti says:

    Yes Prem Buddha is right.. Credit goes to them

    As people who love Osho we would like to use the word Master..But in the business world they would prefer more acceptable word ‘ teacher ‘ which everyone can understand..I dont think using the word teacher instead of master has any other purpose other than a preference for a easier communication..

  104. swami says:

    Pramod as an individual deserves no credit at all. In fact he is quite responsible for some of the divisions in sannyas which have been created through his we know best agressive attitude.

  105. shantam prem says:

    Prem Buddha, Thanks for your reply.
    It is never my intention to undermine the achievement of someone else.
    Years ago there was a story from Osho;” football match was being played in Dublin. Energy from both the religious groups was quite high. Both sides were cheering their sides. One man amongst them was cheering most of the time, whenever good ball was played from any side. The people were surprised by this weird behaviour. so one of them asked,” Excuse me, to which side you belong?”
    Man answered,” I belong to no side but to the good game of football.”
    I think, this kind of attitude is needed when one is a part of multi culti organisation.
    By the way, when Tathgat was given a new responsibility to organise the book festivals in India after the inner circle, in two years time his sold many times more books than ever.
    But books are books…you can create titles like, compassion, love, beyond Jealousy etc. and in real life you play the opposite. it is like selling Viagra, never trying it, even when the girl friend has asked hundreds of time to do something about “it”.

  106. swami says:

    It’s not a football match though is it, just a reminder. Guru leaves his body, inner circle left by him, in-fighting erupts and a small inner inner 3 or 4 members take over and removed the opposing faction and banned them from entering the home. The opposers go off and set up small new homes and set up web sites etc, the inner management team use all of the communes money and power to attempt to crush all resistance through all legal means.

  107. swami says:

    the inner management team claim it is all to keep the guru 24 caret and that they follow secret osho guidance that only they know about, meanwhile they are all found in suites of rooms in the best hotels.

  108. Dilruba says:

    Hey Swami … Every thing has a time … Master’s time to leave the body … Disciple’s time to Understand the Master’s
    True Vision …. so in that if Money / Energy / Time are used / misused and still the Main Thread is not lost … which is Love for the Master / the Truth of that moment … its worth it … we have nothing to loose …. Lets Celebrate the Now

  109. Dilruba says:

    and the Truth of this Moment

  110. Prem Buddha says:

    yes ‘Swami’ I understand and I agree. There is light and darkness in his actions. But at least Osho’s books are available and the lighter compilation titles opened the doors for the bigger stuff like ‘Book of Secrets’ etc.

  111. shantam prem says:

    Prem Buddha, I agree the light titles sold by high street Publishers sell in good volume. Any one who enters the self help books section can fetch Mars Venus books and Osho too. Osho books give secular feelings in this form, most of the intelligent people will not buy the books of someone who they think is creating a cult or playing guru.
    I don’t know the figures, may be a million Americans have read Osho in the diluted version.
    Why OFI has not opened their second branch of meditation resort any where in America.
    No Guru, no devotion, just scientific techniques of meditation given by inner scientist Osho plus swimming pool and health spa etc.
    Why something like this has not happened. America is one of the most open country to try any new concept.
    Why the Australian, American British top notch sannyasins of Osho don’t dare to do something in their home continent.
    White men with his meditation and superior intellect can surely touch the nerve of their people, Is it not like this?

  112. kranti says:

    Shantam..you ask ” Why OFI has not opened their second branch of meditation resort any where in America.”

    We can only Invite and wait..We can not force meditation to reach everyone.. Another aspect is receptivity will be more 50 years down the line with new generation.. there is still lot of bad blood and bitterness out there when it comes to Osho..If you push to much they will stop & corrupt everything

  113. shantam prem says:

    Keerti dear,
    the question i was asking to Prem Buddha in a sarcastic tone towards the the OFI.
    There are enough Osho centers in America and in Europe and they are running exactly they were being run all the time without the dictates of OFI.
    Ask Satya Priya i this context.
    OFI lost the case because most of the Osho centers have not accepted their dictates. They give Osho’s Photo; prominent space. People bow down before this photo as a sign of gratitude; for sure the neo ambassdors of truth will ban their entry in the kingdom of GOD. It is the job of the Brat to tell what Daddy Likes!

  114. amrito says:

    Shantam has said:

    ” ” Why OFI has not opened their second branch of meditation resort any where in America.”

    Who needs branches, start growing trees!!

    Read the Latest in North America:

    An Osho Explosion

    http://www.osadhana.com/2009/07/osho-explosion-with-swami-anand-arun_25.html

  115. Prem Buddha says:

    Shantam,

    I live in the US and I am wealthy, but for the vision you and us would imagine
    a major investment would be needed. To confirm with local laws for a place like this we would talk a few million dollar for a ranch, spa resort etc. with style. Plus the US is not that open as yopu think, this is the country of the dollar- more now then ever. Yoga is in and in fashion.
    Times will change eventually, but until then there a small amount of Osho meditation centers like Boulder, Marin etc. Maybe also it is time for a NEW VISION, something more hip and up to the modern times, then just the same center style we prefer to present Osho now since over 40 years.
    Plus: when you google Osho, you are bound to meet again the ghosts of the past with Sheela, poisoning etc…..tough stuff to overcome for the curios…….

  116. Prem Buddha says:

    Shantam,
    Shantam… I live in the US and I am wealthy, but for the vision you and us would imagine a major investment would be needed. To confirm with local laws for a place like this we would talk a few million dollar for a ranch, spa resort etc. with style. Plus the US is not that open as you think, this is the country of the dollar- more now then ever. Yoga is in and in fashion.
    Times will change eventually, but until then there a small amount of Osho meditation centers like Boulder, Marin etc. Maybe also it is time for a NEW VISION, something more hip and up to the modern times, then just the same center style we prefer to present Osho now since over 40 years.
    Plus: when you google Osho, you are bound to meet again the ghosts of the past with Sheela, poisoning etc…..tough stuff to overcome for the curios…….

  117. shantam prem says:

    Thnak you Prem Buddha,
    I am happy that you are American and wealthy. I am Indian and not poor. it means we don’t need to follow any official version of Osho for our bread butter and romance sake.
    What i wanted to say is that Poona is a very ideal situaion for people around the world to feel India and Osho in a very convinient way.
    The managers their don’t need to chop out the old features but creativity requires that they go on modifying the facilites and also to add new features.
    Without doubt Osho has always the pulse on the feelings of the grass root sannyasins.
    Different kind of groups, music, experiments, merging and melting of the different cultures. somehow this enthusasm is lacking.
    Ashram has got the new name, Resort, but the energy has gone dull and old.
    If one is not opiumised by the “great leaders and the propaganda machinery, it is like there are no weapons of mass destuction but to great wars!
    If you were there during recent years, please, modify me, if i am wrong.

  118. Prem Buddha says:

    I have been there all the time for 34 years now and there always have been changes in the outer structures , but the essence for me has always been the same.
    The ‘government’ from Laxmi via Sheela to Jayesh/ Amrito introduced their ideas, but the the underlying essence of meditation and essence of Osho has always been easily accessible. People go, new people come…but the ashram/ resort is still a great place to awaken.
    We all probably waste too much of our precious time on this planet on complaining. The doors always have been open to participate and celebrate.

  119. shantam prem says:

    Jayesh/ Amrito introduced their ideas, would not have been fair that others on the same platform get the chance to share their ideas with the same force and zest.
    As i know US supreme court has 10 permanent judges to resolve the constitutional issues. Osho has left 20 with the same idea.. Meditate at Samadhi till you have resolved the issues so that decision is unopposed, unhindered.
    For example i have no vested interest in Neelam or Keerti. I have not even visited their places. Last time i have met them inside the ashram gates.
    It is my awakening, my consciousness that i wish the banning them was an unjust decision, you can give any precedent that it happened i the time of Laxmi/Sheela and so on.
    I was not there in the game. But through Osho and meditations i have got this much integrity and awakening that if i see a rape happening or some one falling or getting injured in Central park, i will stop my jogging and will cater the person. It is not good Samartian act, it is meditation and compassion at work.
    Naturally i will tell to the court also what i have seen without any fear or greed, for me this integrity is the by product of meditation.

    Ashram/Resort is beating in my heart beats, therefore i wish a system of check and balance… without this it will become a place of debauchery, greed and manipulations.
    I request my Beloved Amrito/Jayesh to look into this matter. They have the education, culture, money and the alibi to be the chosen few of the Masters.
    They have behave rude and i know what daddy wanted attitude, but uncorrupted. They have never used their presence to create a spiritual power group around them, all my respect is for them.
    They are the thumbs but they need fingers too, original fingers, not pasted as the nose of Michael Jackson.

  120. kranti says:

    Amroto

    Thank you for the link

    http://www.osadhana.com/2009/07/osho-explosion-with-swami-anand-arun_25.html

    Seeing those photos and content somehow i tried to control tears.. something hit me deeply on how beautifully Osho vision is being taken care..

  121. kranti says:

    The only way we can show gratitude to HIm is by being more meditative..

  122. shantam prem says:

    Amrito,
    I have also seen the link.
    This is Osho flavour. Photos shows the passion, tears, dedication,celebration, and i am sure if people were not bowing down at green marble they were doing it on just the wooden floor…..
    The Photos have the energy of the miniature Pune, as it was and as it should be……and as it will be
    Bring one Arun in at the cost of Devendra, Sadhna…,,,,

  123. Chetna says:

    Bring one Arun in at the cost of Devendra, Sadhna…,,,,

    Hi Shantam, what do you mean here?

    Arun moves mountains!

    I had a wonderful experience at the weekend. I ware mala inside my clothes all the time, but decided to take out this Sat when came to Mooji’s satsang. And how nice it is to meet Osho sannyasins.

    No words were needed we embraced in each other’s arms. We were all so happy that we wore malas and could recognise each other in the crowd.

    It is upsetting that sannyasins stopped wearing malas. Some big misunderstanding happened! In “From bondage to Freedom” Osho clearly explained why he said no malas, no orange, no Master…..Old sannyasins like Arun, Narendra, Mukti all wear malas.

    The whole Nepalese community old sannyasins wear malas in Nepal. It is so cool, people say hello to each other on the streets etc.

    Mala of course is not a decoration and not just the way to meet sanyasins, but how nice it is to meet sannyasins.

  124. shantam prem says:

    Bring one Arun in at the cost of Devendra, Sadhna…,,,,

    Hi Shantam, what do you mean here?

    Arun moves mountains!
    I hope Amrito got the point being from the same continent. This is just a complimenting, a writers freedom to express the Bravo feeling. When i say this in Hindi nobody will say, Do Arun moves mountains?

  125. kranti says:

    Deep down i have started feeling We are alright , Osho’s Vision is alright & Everything moving in the way it should be.. All this conflicts and diversity coming out of those conflicts seems to be ok..and they are good..

    Also so may new masters like Mooji & Adya also on the rise and they are opening new doors..