Osho’s Personal Physician
was/is called Devaraj. (Also Amrito, Geroge Meredith, and an English national). Many who oppose the development of the Pune Resort in the way it has seem to blame him for it. Whilst SN have no axe to grind against him or those who oppose him, we do feel that one aspect of his history seems very little known by new sannyasins, etc.
On July 6th, 1985 in Oregon there was a serious attempt to murder Devaraj. There is no double blinkers about this, Shanti Bhadra (Jane Stork) who made the attempt has admitted it. In a strange mitigation she has argued that Sheela produced a tape on the 5th July which recorded a conversation between Osho and Devaraj discussing euthenasia, should it be needed. Clearly Osho’s room was being bugged by Sheela without his knowledge, but Stork does not question this. She sees her loyalty to Sheela. Sheela dresses up the tape and says in a strange act of meolodrama that Osho will commit suicide on the 6th July, and only if Devaraj is himself knocked off will this not happen and invites a volunteer to do the deed. Stork agrees to do it, and shoots Devaraj full of adrenalin in the buttock whilst he is in Rajneesh Mandir (the main meeting hall) when the commune was thick with sannyasins visiting for the Annual World Festival. The Hall was pulsing with sannyasins dancing to celebratory music in front of Osho at the time.
Devaraj developed pulmonary edema, coughed up blood; and was treated on an emergency basis at the Ranch and then flown to the hospital in Bend, where he remained for two weeks.
Stork herself remained outwardly calm – she recalls conducting a media interview shortly after trying to kill the doctor – even as she disintegrated internally. “Before that, there’d been a lot of loose talk, but no one had actually physically attacked someone. But I actually attacked Devaraj. When I did that I knew that I had to get out of there. On the outside I was holding it together, but inside I completely freaked out. I had this chaos inside me; everything was falling apart. Other people were freaking out openly. Everything changed then – the talk was all about leaving.”
SN just give the plain facts here. But bring attention to the fact that Devaraj has never traded on this aspect of his biography, and never as far as we know ever discussed it publicly. His longevity of service as a disciple to Osho and his work cannot however be denied, and his stickability over what is now a thirty five year period.
In a way, this Shantam Prem is one of those who has criticised Dr. Amrito quite often on record, privately almost every long term Pune Visitor does.
I have no personal axe to grind against him neither there is some personal agenda to gain any kind of political or social reputation. I am not even a therapist, and I know I can hold the attention of the therapy participants with my one liners; all original, no copy paste from Osho, Buddha or whatsoever!
In psychology and astrology, ego is discussed quite often but once in a while shadow side too.
Everybody who is in the body has the shadow side, it shines quite well when there is a position of responsibility. No wonder, anarchists and revolutionists prove equally big assholes, once they get the presidential power of some banana republic.
In the developed countries, constitutional measures are there to hold the neck of the shadow side. President Clinton was coming closer to hook in Oral sex is no sex case!
Services and love of Dr. Amrito for Osho is unsurpassable. At a certain time, disciples were guessing, may be Amrito will be chosen as a successor in the old traditions, where master passes over the turban, In Osho´s case it could be the cap.( I wish to write an article titled, Osho and His succession plan)
But Osho did not chose any successor but group of 20. Many were really unworthy for this job.
And this is the point, where elite disciples like Jayesh and Amrito felt pissed. How the special ones can let go their authority and discuss the issues with others. They were not used to such kind of subordination!
There is a common saying, ” War time generals can not operate in peace time and peace time generals blow off the war.”
In the absence of Osho, there is no authority to keep the shadow side of these two gentlemen in control. Not just their colleagues, they have side lined the collective will of the whole sannyas community.
It is bloody no prestige matter that someone has served Osho for so many years, there are hundreds of equally capable people who have put their whole life on plate.
Jayesh and Amrito are running the resort quite smoothly. It is really worth visiting place, clean and chic. Still people are not coming, because it smells like Nestle milk drying plant rather an alive diary farm.
In the west, thousands of resorts and fitness and wellness centres are offering the similar services. I go to one such place with religious joy @ 75 Euros per month.
Shantam declares, ‘I have no personal axe to grind against Amrito’.
He’s telling porkie pies again.
as I understand, osho himself step by step skillfully withdrew the intense energy of pune ashram to finish Organisation around him. He wants us specially old timers to be independent and spread the oshollities all over the world as per our understanding. For this purpose, taking back the energy away from pune ashram was necessary. Now as per his will pune is purposely a place just as any other osho place around the world depending on energy of people running the place. For newcommers pune is still one of the best osho centre as they have no comparison in their mind as the old people have and that is what he always wanted (make space for new people).
There is no harm even if Osho Samadhi is removed as it was a transitional devise of the master so that we are not suddenly shocked.
Soon many of us are going to be magnetic like our master and shall see so many osho communes flowering all over the world. He has already given the blue print of the commune with the example that if we behave like Sheela (means non-meditative, unconscious as many of us are, nothing personal against her. She was used by master as model to be cautious in future). ameen.
Just knew Devaraj in passing. Always seemed like a gentlemanly chap to me.
Amrito was one of the few decent doctors around in the early days of Poona One. In my books he was a good, kind and sensitive man.
Who these two fellows are now is a mystery to me, although I am pretty certain I would enjoy to meet them if by chance it happened. Kind of doubt I’ll ever see Koregoan Park again, so its unlikely.
‘Nuff said.
LK says: “Kind of doubt I’ll ever see Koregoan Park again”
Are you sure?
http://i.imgur.com/aB5wSAF.jpg
SAA, as the song runs, there’s not so much in life you can be sure of. My wife was over in Koregaon Park some years back and found the resort a bit dead. She very much enjoyed to meet some of our old local Indian friends in the area, and that is probably what would be the strongest reason to return there. It would probably somehow blow my mind returning to my old stomping ground but in general I am pretty put off by the fact that India is so dirty.
Last time I travelled to India from Ibiza I was shocked by the filth. Also when I hear all this trip about the OIF and the ones rattling on about Osho’s legacy I can’t relate to any of it. Sure, I’d dig to visit the samadhi and bow down but really I simply don’t feel drawn there at all. Ultimately I’m not entirely closed to the idea and therefore have to answer…you never know.
i heard american multi media corporation the private company OIF directors dr.amrito and jayesh set up in new york to sell osho books for private profit has branched out into comic books –
on further investigation i discovered amrito ( known these days as dr. doom of osho commune) has been featured on many of the lurid covers – and even jayesh fellow oif has been featured on one or two surprisingly
i bought nine comics only and scanned them for the perusal of sannyas news readers – i couldnt afford more as they are selling at $100 each in line with the OIF policy of exclusivity
here is the link :-
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151772173509614&set=pcb.10151772195674614&type=1&permPage=1
Devaraj walked straight past me on a number of occasions. He didn’t notice me, or as far as I can tell know I existed.
It sounds a little bit of the beginning from one of Grimm’s tales, kids are easy satisfied and impressed by them. It could have been the complete other way round. Just guessing, the Ladies have found out by their bugs that the Doctor himself is a Trojan and not an Osho devotee. What an Sannyas Commune we would have right now?
I’ve never been satisfied by told stories unless I found a logic conclusion through facts on my own understanding. The outer world is caught within tales and lies. The result is the present world. Often the obvious is not the real; it’s in fact hidden, not open for the common.
Osho’s Upanishad is over if the last of us has left. So somebody finds the source for inspiration and has enough intelligence bringing “it” into words, a new Upanishad, will ascent out of this inspiration. From here we can move on, not out of believe. Those stories of Buddha or Jesus would never reach the presents if behind wouldn’t be worldly interests. Those interests create a History onto their Ideas and most of Humanity is kept in ignorance through those manipulations. No work should continue if truth about such issues is unclear. These kind of event maybe decided what Osho Sannyas will become for us, even for Osho and the future.
Behind every crime, there is some kind of motive. Parmartha being the participant of Puram project, can shed the light, what can be the possible motive(s) behind the poison project of Sheela against Dr. Devraj?
Why, to eliminate an actual or potential rival for the ‘top position’, of course!
Elementary, my dear Shantam.
You haven’t seen my pipe, by any chance, have you?
shantam prem says:
>> what can be the possible motive(s) behind the poison project of Sheela against Dr. Devraj?
Amphetamines and lack of sleep make you see enemies everywhere. The motive is irrelevant, it’s the intent that matters. As I said before, stop looking at Sheela and start looking at Puja, the psycho in the mix. You cannot analyse psychos because the don’t have the same motives as me and you. Their (secret) pleasure is derived from everybody else’s stress and confusion.
http://www.grapheine.com/classiktv/index.php?module=see&lang=fr&code=d105300766e53b73d884d131c19a63f4
Doesn’t meditation just bring the worse out in people,
before if ever, the best.
Good god!!!!
Amrito certainly has staying power.
Arpana, me ol fruit ,that’s a scurrilous blaggardly deleted nominative you have written there.
I’m sure you do not mean to include everyone in your castigations, therefore I will swallow your pride and tell you handsomely, that despite appearances to the contrary I cannot allow you to even imagine that I ever have done anything as in such poor taste as actually having ….meditated. No sir , I have never committed such a heinous act in my life.
Withdraw or face the stiff tongue of my wrath and allow the coils of my end-eavours etc etc etc…
And furthermore…..
Amrito is one of the few decent people who’s actually had a prick up the bum and a near-death experience at the same time. That’s kudos in my book, which is currently on sale in the Foyer entitled….
‘ Bending Backwards for Truth’ , complete with a pull out and throw away, cut-out ,flimsy ,cardboard copy of a famous guru, with strings attached .
Holy Moly. I’m in the marty dog house!! Again!!!
as expected anti-osho guru locoji has aligned himself in friendship with amrito, head fanatic of the no osho master, forgive me and forget me cult, who has done so much harm to the sannyas movement in the last twenty odd years
behind amritos mask is a thoroughly bad piece of work – a very unhappy man who seeks to control others – who has become very rich from his business with jayesh selling osho, who they say belongs to them and not to all of us, his disciples and lovers
he has made every attempt to prevent rajneesh doing his work – even going to russia when rajneesh had arranged camps there to browbeat sannyasins into cancelling those camps – and later sending letters to the russian immigration authorites to malign rajneesh falsely – leading to them refusing rajneesh a visa to visit russia altogether when his lovers last invited him there
there is no excuse for such interference into the lives of others
the lives of oshos lovers
and that is only one example of his interference, the list can go on
amrito holds oshos lovers in contempt as i could clearly see in his face when he interviewed me years ago as part of his witchhunt for people with some liver disease he had got a bee in his bonnet about at the time –
he regards himself as superior to oshos people and must control them in all ways – the doctor knows best
even to the extent of removing oshos photos from the ashram, fanatically snatching sannyasins malas if they dared wear them in contradiction to his edict, and banning sannyasins who had the nerve to sing osho songs and dance in his private resort, stolen from oshos lovers
the last time i saw amrito he was getting pissed in the bar – with a queasy public smile on his face – he told my friend mahabodh in the bar how he couldnt understand why old sannyasins were still coming to the ashram – a happening that he has done all he can to put a stop to since then
now no one goes there, other than a handful of innocents attracted by oshos books and videos – fresh meat to be exploited
amrito is pissed every night falling down drunk – since meditation has not worked for him he has resorted to the bottle – his room in laotsu above oshos old room is littered with cigarrette butts
those who know what has been going on rightly blame amrito for destroying the sannyas movement – jayesh is a businessman after money thats all, he wasnt the anti oshos people fanatic that amrito became –
no one else involved was so fanatic against others, they were looking after their own interests thats all, not deliberately going out of their way to create the no osho master cult of which amrito is the head priest
i heard from a friend who visited the resort recently that amrito always looks very unhappy – his crimes must weigh heavily on him – his drunkenness an attempt to forget
whether the sannyas movement will ever recover from the damage he has done to it is doubtful – he will forever be known in the history books as the judas of osho
A predictably robotic response to what might have been Lokesh’s ‘fishing expedition’, DR!
Knowing your oft-expressed views on the ashram hierarchy your diatribe is no surprise at all, but I can’t help thinking you might be prone to exaggerating your case against the ‘Demonic Doctor’. Someone of your bent would appear to relish having such an enema, er, I mean, enemy, to rail against, it sort of goes with the territory, as it were…
I’m not sure exactly how much first-hand evidence you have, so whether he’s actually “pissed every night” is open to question. No doubt you’d prefer him to be, of course…
Similarly, to claim his room is littered with dog-ends is based on what exactly – daily reports from his cleaner, perhaps?
And your friend’s perception of him as “always…very unhappy” is not necessarily reliable as firstly, your friend was just visiting;
second, because without engaging with someone on a deeper than casual level – and certainly not just through fleeting visual impressions devoid of personal contact – it’s not possible to be sure exactly what’s going on with another person;
third, because if your friend is of the same persuasion as yourself then his evidence is more than likely to be as biased as your own almost certainly is, for example in your anecdote:
“Amrito holds Osho’s lovers in contempt as i could clearly see in his face when he interviewed me years ago as part of his witchhunt for people with some liver disease he had got a bee in his bonnet about at the time”
You saw “contempt” and use this to add weight to your view that Amrito similarly regards all “Osho’s lovers”. But perhaps you were mistaken? Or if not, how do you know that he simply didn’t like you at that particular moment (perhaps for some good reason, who knows?)?
I am no apologist for the Poona regime, but whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation out there I am deeply suspicious of people who like to view themselves as the harbingers of some sort of morally superior clean-up operation – you know, the ones who are self-consciously the ‘real disciples’. As we’ve consistently seen from your posts here, they tend to introduce a level of psycho-spiritual righteousness, an arrogant, humourless fundamentalism that paradoxically is at odds with the very spirit of sannyas.
Thus, I would regard significant influence from the likes of Swami R and his supporters like yourself as very much being a case of ‘from frying pan into fire’.
it has been implied that amrito is somehow admirable for having stuck it out around the ashram for so long – others have not been able to “stick it out” in oshos ashram since amrito ran them all off by one ugly means or another , leaving he and jayesh to grow rich on selling osho without the interference from them
osho.com which sells oshos books and tapes is wholly owned by amrito – his attempts to dominate the internet and close down other osho sites is simply the move of a businessman trying to create a monopoly for his product – oshos material which belongs to all and not to him alone
yes oshos cleaner reported about the dog ends satyadeva – and anyone who has hung around the resort knows of his drunkenness
DeRages lates outpouring of vitrolic criticism….yawn…..concludes with the following statement: ‘Amrito will forever be known in the history books as the judas of osho’.
This biblical-style comparison bears no relevance to Judas Iscariot’s selling out his master for a bag of copper coins and then proceeding to the nearest clifftop, where he tied one end of a shawl round his neck and the other round a tree and jumped over the edge in an attempt to end his life as quickly as possible. Unfortunately for Judas, one of his hurridly tied knots came undone, whereupon he tumbled down onto the rocks below, where he suffered a slow and agonising death. Just one more piece in the incredible story that is the Passion of Christ.
There is nothing of Biblical proportions in the small drama being played out at the resorts, certainly not enough to warrant a descripyion in some fitureworld’s history books. Somewhay sadly, Osho will be remembered as the sex guru who owned a fleet of Rolls Royces. Of course, DeRage likes to imagine that he is involved in a drama of global impact, probably because he’s afraid of actually embracing his intrinsic nobodyness, like we all must do sooner or later. Instead DeRage inhabits a fantasy world, wherein he imagines himself on a heroic quest to raise the consciousness of humanity and part of that quest involves vanquishing imaginary foes. Not exactly cutting edge but, nonetheless, such a childish fantasy works very well in terms of distraction and counterbalancing sensations of intellectua, spirituall and emotional inadequecy.
If you’ll pardon the pun, I reckon you nailed him there, Lokesh….
its really odd that guru locoji has a compulsion to teach the newcomers who become interested in osho and come to sannyas news to see the news about sannyas about what he sees are “the dark shadows of the sannyas movement” from decades ago
and yet pooh poohs the dark shadows surrounding amrito and jayesh of OIF and the resort today –
yes amrito is a judas – he has sold out osho for a lot more than a few coins and grown very rich from the companies he owns selling him – just the suicide is so far lacking in the comparison wth judas
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Sometime I miss few of those who have lived and seen the final phase of Osho´s work to use their writing skills and share the picture though their eyes, notes written on their hearts.
Dhyanraj tries to do but being already initiated by a mini guru in Osho´s liniage, his words have less gravity and more biblical expressions.
I try my best but I was never a celebrity in the sannyas scene, one back seat participant who has thousands of pictures saved in the brain cells.
The well known western disciples…Why the hell they should write for free?
They are like Coke machines, unless someone puts coin, nothing will come out. I mean they are all busy in China, Japan, Taiwan, Russia etc. to do their missionary as well as Reiki, Aura Soma, Past life, dozens of kinds of touch works and love plus Tantra..
So Osho..Good bye and thankyou for leaving behind great memories and a new business line of Inner work.
Take Care!
Amrito is behaving like a fanatic, trying to control every part of the Ashram, and we all know why. It is not love for Osho, but a Power game over others.
Amrito and Jayesh have forced others out of the Ashram. It is not about the stickability of Amrito, but the way these 2 have forced or arm twisted others to leave. Their motive is only Power and Control over Money.
They spend all their time with a team of sannyasins in the Resort , sending legal DMCA notices for every Video, Books, Meditation Music, Quotes or Photo of Osho on Internet.
The reason is not to keep Osho 24 Carat Gold ( as Amrito says )
but to keep all the Gold for himself !
They have stolen millions in Book, Music, Video sales. This money belongs to all Sannyasins Trust, for Osho work to expand and grow for disciples.
What so ever hard you may write about Amrito, Mini, one thing is common with rajneesh. I think both have Korean girl friends.
Why just these two gentlemen, If you are somebody in the world of Osho and has no asian girl friend, you are retro!
Somewhere i can understand, after a certan age, one needs an easy life. So easy that one does not need knife to butter the toast. Asian girls as i know melt like butter when they see, some man with some credibility.
It is pity, Ma New Amrito is not taking the public stand to protect the reputation.
Klingons want the money of the Ferengis, what is originally owned by Pirates. The desired money goes back, where it primordial came.
Money principle… whoever owns the money, owns whatever the money is used to buy.
Or this way, everything you buy with the money never is your property. Even you have worked for the money, or something is established. The only logical conclusion actually is asking back the whole earth.
It is so clever to keep those parts of Osho in circulation, which create no controversy, I mean to teach Dynamic Kundalini; who would like to question the intention of good hearted people.
Somehwhere Osho should have opened the Fitness studios as franchise business.
In a way, I am thankful to Rajneesh, he and his people get all the shit by raising uneasy questions, which basically should have been rasied by all those who have spend considerable time around Osho in Pune 2. Man was suffering from all kind of physical ailments yet did not stop to entertain and take the energy up of thousands.
It shows how innocent and less calculative they are in a world full with calculative people, rational people.
Once sannyas was alive, other than keeping the emphasis on Individual self growth, there was some kind of bonding, some kind of group feeling. This is the reason, we are still have some common ground and share our notes.
even Lokesh, who divorced Osho and remarried Punja, still spends time with sannyaisns because Lucknow uncle did not leave any community feeling behind.
Same is with Mr. Satyadeva, Ms. Meera is his mentor, but is there some website where pro and anti Meera express their views without censor.
Leaves of the tree were feeling envious with the freedom of the grass blades. Now they are lying on the grass as rootless leaves; yellow and dry.
This is the present state of meditators, who passed through series of groups and therapies and who as collective think, we can teach the world paths of love!
You misunderstand me, Shantam, although you’ve been told often enough before (sign of a lazy mind that prefers to retain its fantasy). Meera is not my “mentor”, she’s someone to visit for an intimate communion, a wordless transmission of psycho-spiritual energy that’s invariably profoundly beneficial, cleansing, uplifting.
And no such website is needed, there’s no community, it’s a completely different ball-game, one-on-one (among a lot of other ‘seekers’).
As I’ve said before, you’re ideally placed to visit her – and you have no idea what you’re missing.
‘even Lokesh , who divorced Osho and remarried . . . . . Same is with Mr.Satyadeva . . . . .’ has left me wondering , if SN is the eldest / most matured / most sensible child of Osho’s .
Shantam says, even Lokesh, who divorced Osho and remarried Punja etc
Shatam can’t you come up with something at least a little more provocative than this kind of bunkum? I noticed Kavita picked up on it and copy and pasted your words but then she would being someone who struggles to come up with something mildly original.
Define maturity Kavita.
In Kavita’s case maturity means sitting on her ever expanding bum bum, drinking tea, eating cakes and leaving the occasional bland comment on SN.
Arpana , maturity in this case , is maybe a quality of being least biased .
Lokesh , I dont have so much energy as you do to respond to each & every comment on sn , well you are right about ‘sitting on her ever expanding bum bum, drinking tea, ‘ but cakes , Iam not fond of , I am more of a savoury person .
Nice answer Kavita.
Like it.
thank you Arpana , I am really glad I got through !
Surely if no diplomatic solution is found to all these religious battles,it should all be decided in a clear cut and fair fashion?
For example,how about some spiritual Osho neo-cage -fighting….?
That could revitalise the Osho scene a bit.
Doctor Death versus Bollywood Brian has to be top of the bill.
See the venom that has been hid in gin bottle and lunghi for 2 decades come out in an orgy of ultimate truth!
Maybe some tag-bouts ? I`d love to see the O`Byrne boys go 15 rounds with the 2 Brians.
Could the raw rage of the fundamentalists really topple the more seasoned and experienced pros? It would be attritional stuff,,for sure
Watch the gloves would come right off in the ultimate hate-filled grudge match!
Pay per view to watch Doperage live out his fantasy of kicking some baboon red-bottom and dancing on Amritos prone body like some kind of transexual Kali shouting his legendary warcry…
hahahahahahaha…
Girls cage fighting too.
The Battle of the Wags.
Featuring Mini Kang versus her old friend, Amritos girlfriend.
There`s some real deep seated competitive hate going on there for sure!
scratching, biting ,gouging,stamping,hair-pulling,spitting,….
Lets really see the fury and pent-up rage behind the enlightenment.
After all, thats what religion is all about isnt it?
All this talk about unconsciousness.
I want to see some.
Lawyers away.
Round one.
Ding!
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha – good one frank – booboo bear finally came up with something that made me laugh
Creative fun writing.
Yo yogi! Smarter than the av-er-age bear.
A sweaty beard pulling contest with the three stooges/rajes.
Cloneraj, Rajing Bull and “Ironfist” Rocky Raj.
“Transexual kali” as the rajest, waving the victor’s lunghi flag in a Sannyas spring uprising, before being marched off in a maroon straitjacket.
Or…it morphs into a men’s group as they bond over unresolved father issues and their love of Superdaddy. They all get drunk and form a drum circle around the korean zen, bitch slap, naked mud wrestling. (I leave you my..er..dream..)
DeRage, those anymes are imaginary in my eyes, but I am all too aware how they are ever so real for you. As a man believes the world to be so it appears.
I’m reminded of my explorations into the world of the paranoid scchizophrenics back in the sixties. I learned how the world appears to the mentally deranged, how a friendly face can morph into a hideous countenace at the flick of a neuro receptor switch. So, yes Derage, I know only too well how evil the world can appear to someone such as yourself. You are surrounded by enemies. Overwhelming at times I’m sure, when you see how stacked against you the odds are. You will continue to struggle for you cannot as yet perceive any other course, until one day exhaustion will force a torpid sense of relaxation in your body/mind complex, whereupon the hallucinations you are experiencing will fade in intensity. Its an ancient, long and twisting story.
Suggested reading. The chapter on the Six Lokas of Tibetan Buddhism in Chogyam Trumpa’s excellent Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism.
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here is todays tv news story from india about the theft by amrito (john andrew), jayesh(micheal o’byrne),yogendra(darcy o’byrne) and mukesh(sarda) of osho trust funds diverted into private companies for the benefit of themselves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eQaZ4FOy4g4
Needs a translation for the hindi challenged.
How many names does amrito aka devaraj aka george meredith aka john andrews have? More than a mafia boss?
More dirt please.
amrito today is in big trouble – here is todays indian news story on OIF trustees massive fraud written in english
http://www.firstpost.com/business/now-osho-foundation-trustees-face-allegations-of-fraud-1033201.html?utm_source=hp
You’d like to think he’s “in big trouble”, of course. But as a neutral, I find it hard to believe that he and the others would blatantly break the law in such an easily discovered way. I’d like to hear the other side of the story, not just this one.
As no guilt has been proven, labelling them as “criminals” is inappropriate, just more propaganda.
I suspect your man, DR, is behind this action, aiming to harrass and discredit these people to prepare the way for his ambition to eventually take over.
OIF gang have been bribing the police, the charity commission, the gangster politicians of maharashtra for years to allow their crime to go on satyadeva – but thanks to some old indian sannyasins with hearts who stood up courageously at personal risk the whole crooked deal is being examined and exposed for all to see
you will never hear the other side of the story as jayesh, amrito, mukesh and gang operate under an omerta code of silence – their puppet spokeswoman sadhana in the ashram refuses to comment saying as its in the court they wont say anything
i find your idea that its all somehow rajneeshs fault ridiculous -
amrito and jayesh have been getting away with this massive theft these last twelve years and that you think they must be innocent of crimes against the sannyas world is simply a case of burying your head in the sand
you like to paint the victims as the perpetrators – which confirms my impression of you as a weak minded fool satyadeva
Predictably robotic reaction, DR, but unfortunately one really wouldn’t expect anything else from you. You’ve allowed your pre-judice (pre-judgment) to distort your understanding of what I actually wrote. I suggest you calm down and re-read it – carefully, this time.
I repeat, AS A NEUTRAL, I would like to hear the other side of the story before jumping to the sort of conclusions you’re virtually foaming at the mouth to propagate. Why on earth should I trust you in the matter? I wouldn’t necessarily trust your side’s version at all, due to the bias of your ulterior agenda. I prefer to wait and see what transpires in a court of law.
For your information, wanting to know all sides of a case is not ‘burying my head in the sand’, it’s what’s commonly known in a ‘civilised’ society as a respect for the truth and its democratic agency, the Law, as opposed to the premature emotional ejaculations of those hoping against hope to benefit from a particular outcome.
It’s called being fair-minded, Mr Rage. Rather than indulging in flawed, emotionally-biased thinking, the badge of “a weak-minded fool” indeed…
When tempted to perpetrate such nonsense, take a good look in the mirror.
you pretend to be neutral satyadeva then go on to pass judgement on rajneesh for the affair of the ashrams missing millions – proving there is nothing at all neutral about your attitude – you can fool yourself satyadeva – i know what you are and its certainly not fair minded
You’re off the mark again, DR, as I assure you that I really don’t give a damn either way.
I’m no fan of the Swami, but as I’ve said before, neither am I an apologist for the ashram powers-that-be, so if they’re guilty of fraud or theft or whatever, then fair enough, let them take whatever justice is coming.
But why should I merely accept your version of the case and pre-judge them as ‘criminals’ when I have inadequate evidence and no idea of the facts according to the accused? Don’t you think that would be extremely remiss, unfair, going against principles of natural justice? Or are these humane, democratic standards unacceptable to you, mired as you are in the righteousness of your cause?
Do you know the difference between judgment and simple analysis? Apparently not, so here’s some help:
What you term ‘passing judgment’ on Swami R for this “affair of the ashram’s missing millions” is, in the first place, a simple point and second, a pretty well watertight assumption:
First, that I suspect he has had a significant role in bringing forward this case. (Do you agree or deny this, please?).
Second, that he almost certainly hopes and prays – as you clearly do – that the prosecution wins, thus helping to clear the way for him to exercise far more influence over the movement, or perhaps even to ‘take over’ completely.
Where exactly am I not being fair-minded here, please?
there is no movement left to take over satyadeva – it has been destroyed largely due to the efforts of the same people who are now under investigation by the courts
the sannyas movement has to be started again from the beginning
those people who started the current cases in india are not disciples of rajneesh – they are old indian disciples of osho – every sannyasin has been harmed by the activities of amrito and jayesh and has an interest in seeing them brought to book for their crimes – crimes that you prefer to close your eyes to, shifting the responsibility onto others to see and act
i am not saying to take my word for it – you examine the evidence for yourself as much as you like – but i dont think you have any interest really other than to throw another stone at rajneesh – you dont care what has been going on to harm oshos sannyasins do you ?
You have no trust in Osho at all do you?
trust osho,but hammer your camel first,swami
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Frank you, frank.
Your teaching is helping me to embrace Osho neo-nihilism.
It saves a lot of time.
Everyday is like Ground Zero in the Bubblefield with many off-peak experiences. Sadly with all this uber delusional friction, I am developing Pogonophobia…fear of beards.
Tip of the day: “Watch out for people… they’re everywhere”
Nanoo nanoo
As I said, I’m no fan of either Amrito & co. or Swami R’s lot, but again as I said before, ‘changing the guard’ from one lot to the other would be, to quote the old Chinese proverb:
‘Frying Pan
Into…
Fire!’
I can’t be bothered to go into reasons why, esp as so many have already been covered here enough times.
One such reason being you, DR.
Apart from this issue, I have every faith that Osho’s inspiration will survive and flourish, in various forms, long after you and I have moved on.
Derage declares,’the sannyas movement has to be started again from the beginning.’
In ancient Athenian society “Idiots” were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters. Over time, the term “idiot” shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment–individuals who are “stupid”. I reckon both meanings are relevent in relation to Derage’s ridiculous declaration.
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ex sannyasins pontificating endlessly – the sannyas movement is for the new generations – yawn – ah well – to borrow one of gurulocosjis wise sayings – i cant be bothered – im going to bed
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DR is like a grumpy old so’n'so who constantly repeats himself, like an extra in Loop Factor for Beginners.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201305885705225&set=t.770044613&type=1&theater
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mm – works for me – its on facebook – i dont know – do you have to log into facebook ? did my other link to comics on facebook work okay for others??
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Don’t worry, DeRage, everyone already knows that you are the missing link.
Stay off the greek. An idiot was a person with a mind of his own …
[The English word "idiot" originaly comes from the Ancient Greek 'idiotes' "layman, person lacking professional skill," literally "private person," used patronizingly for "ignorant person," from 'idios' "one's own".]
swami satyam dhyanraj says:
>> those people who started the current cases in india are not disciples of rajneesh
I am getting confused here … disciples of Rajneesh … disciples of Osho …
Dhyanraj, would a disciple of Rajneesh automatically become a disciple of Osho or is there a separate induction ceremony for that?
Thx dr. I hear your tranny kali war whoop.
What synchronicity! Karma’s a bitch.
‘Someone’ should stand outside the gateless gate handing out the newsprint to the starry-eyed and innocent.
What will come of it, who knows?
Lawyers in love, more backhanders? Definitely more scotch.
Oh Lokesh where are your odds placed?
Hopefully not somewhere in between eastern Meditation with western Christian values. Form my viewpoint this would be indeed a difficult positioning, the holy nappy wearer allows Western seeker keeping the compromising Christian victim conditionings. It is possible that straight this spiritual mix helps to undermine with its rationality the facts which allows Authorities use murderous violence against human.
Preetam enquires, Oh Lokesh where are your odds placed?
In five card stud I tend to play suited high cards to the max and often keep an ace up my sleeve for emergencies. I tend to watch each card that is dealt and play it slow.
Lokesh with his theoretical knowledge about psychology and rational mind sees a paranoid schizophrenics in Dhyanraj.
Surely he is not Mehar baba, may be baba would have seen a “Masta” in him.
Suggested reading Drop all those Tibetan Buddism books wriiten by refugees who know nothing much about the contemporary mind but live on the sympathy of goody goody western mind.
Also not books like Who am I And who are you, but magazines published by Paul Raymond group based in Soho.
And don´t worry, they are not purchased by suppressed Indians but milk shake white people who want to live a normal life rather than some kind of so called Zen!
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I know from what you’ve said here on SN in the past that you watch a lot of TV, which I can’t relate to because it extremely rare for me to watch tv programmes. Your take on spiritual books is a very limited one. If you are happy with that fine. Your master was an avid book reader at the peak of his powers, maybe he was on to something that you are not aware of.
osho had been an intellectual for lifetimes, sharpening his mind to the utmost, and when he became a mystic in this life he had a mind uniquely qualified to speak about his experience from all sides and using all dimensions of scholarly knowledge in support
those who are his disciples who drank from his loving presence have no need of knowledge – the ability to open the heart and set the mind aside is enough to soak up the vibration of the buddha and dissolve into it
osho spoke six hundred books full of words, unfortunately discovering that very few understood him anyway – those who did were not clinging onto the words, but simply melting in his presence
Hang on – how the hell would you know “Osho had been an intellectual for LIFETIMES”? What do you know about such matters? Where’s your evidence, Mr Priest?
Or is this another case of “weak-minded” bullshine?
he told us the story himself satyadeva
Some people are willing to believe anything.
You sound rather gullible here, DR.
Would like to know more about the game of thrones being played behind the scenes at the ‘court of king george’, if this is the case. Also the story of how poona 2 has morphed into the anodyne poona 3, where almost none of the old gang wants to go anymore. Are they sitting on their ass-etts?
What happened? Anyone in the know?
It is hard to seperate the wheat from the chaff with mini kang (stockholm syndrome) and Raging Bull (logic bypass). He can go on a binge about amrito’s ‘drunkenness’, while poking his eyes out if asked to look at osho the dope fiend. Perhaps some of it is true but ‘unreliable witnesses’ m’lud.
There are not many instances, where will to power has been transcended by the prayerful heart and meditations.
In the hypnotic allurement of lovely words and pharses, masses of people simply ignore the rulers around them unless their immediate comfort zone is not endangered.
A good point shanty pandit.
Lovely verbal entrancement and hopium fed to the masses, while sharks and crocodiles eye up their prey.
As the bobster says, “steal a little and they put you in jail, steal a lot and they make you a king”.
Guilty as charged, I was relatively unconcerned and ignorant about the nefarious goings on around osho, as long as the comfort zone was well padded.
yes shantam – gurulokeshji recently stated that for him the resort OIF anti sannyas gang dont exist and they are imaginary enemies created by paranoid schizophrenic delusion – now the whole of india is hearing about their crimes – it still wont affect him personally though as he has no interest in the sannyas movement today
Thus spoke twenty-first century schizoid man.
Talks about love, meditation and consciousness and lives a life full of hate, aggresion and unconsciousness.
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British – India & Japanese – Korea , is there a connection !
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/koreans-in-pune-celebrate-their-iday/1155664/
hi guys.
phew,i`ve really been through it in the last few weeks.
you may have wondered where I`ve been.
well,i got sectioned,and had to spend the last 28 days in a secure unit.
it was a case of mistaken identity,of course,and I only finally managed to get out today.
but,man,you should have seen the others in there.
I think I was in the `delusions of grandeur` ward.
one of the guys was so far gone all he could do was alternately get wildly angry then laugh: hahahahaha.it was spooky,and even worse,there was a little woman standing just behind him, who echoed everything he said, prefaced by “perfectly correct ….”.weird.
the guy seemed to think that he was going to influence the history of the world or something.
I said to the nurses “cant you give him something?”
they answered”we tried to give him a lobotomy but when they got inside his head,all they found was an old lunghi that must have been stuck in india for a few decades without washing.it stunk.he claimed it was the `smell of enlightenment`or something.shows you how how far gone he is.”
sitting beside him was this schoolteacher type guy who was countering everything the lunghi guy said with a rational argument.altho` this guy made actually made sense some of the time,it turned out he was having fantasies about mother mary coming to save him or something.
on the other side of the ward was a guy who went on endlessly about how he had invented Christmas crackers,sold fortune cookies,liberated honk kong ,lived for years in the Himalayas,been a gay fashion designer and was obsessed with “hammering”and chopping bodyparts off red-bottomed baboons and alcoholics.i guess he must have had some heavy childhood traumas involving booze and kinky schoolmasters or something.
the odd thing,i had met him years ago in a pub in London and he had been just the same then.
there was a bald guy there who went on endlessly about the important people he had met.i think he was probably making it all up.although he did have a picture of a guy he called his daddy,a foreign bloke with a shaved head who looked just like him. he kept on pointing at the photo and saying “i am that.thou art that.i am that”. too many drugs probably.
oh yeah,the fat indian guy in the corner.i couldn’t understand much of what he said.i think he had tried to wank himself to death on a mango in a porn shop in Switzerland or something ,so the hospital strapped these enormous leather paddles on his hands to stop him from damaging himself.
there were a couple of posh blokes reciting old monty python scripts,but I didn’t take much notice of them.
there were quite a few other characters milling around in the background.
fuck knows what their problems were.pretty serious I should think,to be in there.
might be best never to find out.
anyway,i`m really glad to get away from all the craziness of that mad mad world and back to the sanity of sannyasnews.
phew!
at least this is one place where I know I can definitely breathe the cool calm air of sanity with other sane people…
FRANK. FRANK.
WAKE UP.
ITS YOUR ROUND.
Get em in!!!!
At last….
I was almost about to give up on my daily dose of the usual deletathons …luckily I can rest assured knowing that Oshiteism is again in safe hands..
all the best
a learner,
Posho’s Independent Boys School
Ám I fighting in my life, to make Osho´s work survive generation after generations?
I don´t think so.
Sometime I wonder, why people have this inner push to bring Osho into every post box.
Are Steve Jobs and Osho the last ladder in their respective fields?
My only wish as a disciple is that His last wishes as a master should be respected and implemented in words and spirit. Nothing less, nothing more.
This string started with a confession to attempted murder. Seems to have been little visited in the course of the string. but it would seem something to be explained: a woman who may well have come to sannyas along the same tracts as ourselves, but finding herself in the end of a sort of slave to another sannyasin who in a childish way says the whole world will depend on whether yet another sannyasin is murdered.
To me it is all very strange what was going on in Shanti Badra’s head, not to say Sheela’s. The first question for her should surely have been, what is this woman doing recording what is going on in Osho’s room anyway without his knowledge? Osho himself had always spoken publicly about euthanasia being a correct option for some people, so discussing it in his private life should not have led to any crazy overreaction or manipulation. There were clearly a few people by 1984/85 who saw Sheela as their guru, and not Osho, and be prepared to do crazy things for her. Now what on earth is the psychology of all that?
It must be the ‘cult mentality’, Parmartha, people riding on a wave of emotionality, undermining their own good sense (if they ever had much, or any), living in a bubble of ever-increasing delusion, finding it somehow conveniently ego-enhancing, increasing their self-importance, to follow their immediate leader (as in a ‘cult-within-a- (so-called) cult’) – completely forgetting why they’d come to the scene in the first place.
I wonder whether women might be more prone to such pathology than men, in similar circumstances. Knowing the type (of both sexes) that often gets attracted to sannyas, perhaps not.