Naturalism and contrasting National Psyches

Shantam writes about FKK in Germany – for the Edification of  his Countrymen!

(This article first appeared at Osho News, but at the request of the author  also appears here as it is meant ideally to provoke discussion,  which is not possible at Osho News. )

My dilemma is simply too big. As an Indian Osho sannyasin living in Europe, what I want to share with my people in India is just not possible. Maybe the reason is that I cannot follow the straight line. I appreciate things which don’t fit in the usual manner, things which are so simple, so economical, so innocent that the old rotten and rigid minds of patriarchal countries simply freak out.

For example, who is not aware about BMW in India? I know even those who are working to merely survive,  cherish a secret wish to have, once in their lifetime, something like a BMW!

But I want to talk about FKK.

FKK sign

These three letters represent something which I don´t think will be possible in India unless Lord Shiva himself comes to earth. Otherwise no way.

FKK means Freikörperkultur. In English one can say FBC. It means Free Body Culture.

For example, on any sunny day much of the population will be spending their day near lakes and rivers all around Germany. It is really a challenge for the people in the fashion industry to create the best outfit using a minimum of fabric; I mean new bikini designs year after year.

FKK takes that challenge away. In certain designated areas, people from all age groups will be gathering for the sake of Just Being. Human bodies without wearing a shred of clothing are an almost surreal experience. On a deeper level, it is almost like shedding away the personality with the layers of clothing.

One day, I was counting the people around me. There must have been around 150-200 human beings in that particular FKK area and not an iota of sexuality and sensuality in the air.

I think Asian countries, burdened with suppressed sexuality, would really benefit with this mass experimentation of free body culture. But can this ever be possible?

Some Indian with holy texts in the brain will say, “It is nothing new. We have the Naga Sadhus.”

Hey dude, I just want to know whether you and your wife have stood among them?

Epilogue
Credit of introducing FKK to this Indian, it also does not go to Germany,  but to the Osho ashram in Pune. Let us be honest with our history, Osho is the only contemporary master who encouraged nudity for spirituality.


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93 Responses to Naturalism and contrasting National Psyches

  1. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, FKK is a purely cultural matter. You could put the sandal on the other foot and ask when the Germans will get hip to arranged marriages, or women wearing burkhas? I’ve met Muslim women who actually enjoyed wearing burkhas in public and happily married Indian couples who allowed their parents to choose their partner from them.
    Many years ago, myself and about a dozen sannyasin men and women I was hanging out with in the mountains wandered into an Indian village completely naked and covered in grey ash. We were viewed as bizarre curiosities but nobody in the village troubled us in the slightest, perhaps taking us for some strange sect of sadhus. Try doing that in a German dorf and see how far you get.

    • dominic says:

      Can’t agree with this Loki, specious or naive. Millions of women wear burquas and/or are genitally mutilated, oppressed etc and then enforce it on the next generation, not out of joy and freedom of expression, but internalized oppression, i.e. fear/terror. You surely don’t take what people say at face value? Arranged marriages are more of a grey area but equally dodgy, a socio-economic arrangement for traditional societies, but fairly untenable as freedom and societies progress and evolve. (Recomended film ‘east is east’) . How much indian couples “allow” their parents to choose or it’s done out of compliance and expectation is a moot point.
      Cultural relativism can paralyze people into creating value and making judgement calls about anything. It’s very PC these days.

      • bodhi vartan says:

        I want to bring a less harsh form of sati to the west.
        Sate-lite.

        • dominic says:

          Ha ha varti made a joke! Are you sati-sfied? Perhaps she would immo-lite herself on a Sati-day.
          Being buried alive was another option. Not a lot of people know that.

          • bodhi vartan says:

            dominic says:
            >> Being buried alive was another option.

            Still being practiced in Turkey, for young girls who have sex before marriage. Good practices refuse to die (excuse the pun).

            • dominic says:

              Worse than that, young girls buried alive for talking to boys.
              200 “honour killings” every year in turkey, half of all murders.
              F*****g b******s.
              Please god they don’t join the EU, or the liberal dhimmi dimwits will be all over it, turning another blind eye, so as not to offend ‘racial sensibilities’.

  2. Vijay says:

    The point is that the indians wants to be holy because they don’t have the courage to say that they are as greedy, as sexual as everybody. They are just hypocrites,cowards. They hide their real attitudes behind great words. Bla bla bla. Then they go to the temples and they are not devotees of Shiva but clients of Shiva : SHIVA, GIVE THIS SHIVA, DO THAT FOR ME SHIVA, DON’T LISTEN THAT ASSHOLE NEXT TO ME, I AM YOUR BEST CLIENT.

  3. Anand Newman says:

    Good topic. In “Sex Matters” the new title of Sex to Super consciousness, this is what is discussed in one of the chapters. I would recommend it to everyone to read this ( again ). There has been many meditation and therapy leaders from the Osho’s fold, but there is hardly anyone who devoted himself to work on this first rung of the ladder which is considered the very root of the energy.

    Its definitely very hard to bring this change in India but possible. It takes long time.

    Probably, the change should start to initiate in the movies because movies are the popular media in India. The sensor board needs to realize the importance of bringing changes. And also the movie makers need to make the changes. The protagonist only loves and antagonist make sex.

    I think even today, full body massage is considered an erotic thing in the masses of India. But many massage centers seems to be popping up slowly in the cities, catering to the people who really need it for therapeutic purposes.

  4. Parmartha says:

    I have no insight into the Nagas Maybe one of our Indian friends could post answers to these points.
    Western sociologists often say that the whole sadhu movement is an Indian answer to unemployment and homelessness. Is there something in that? What caste for example are the Nagas’ from?
    One can only imagine homosexuality is rife in places where so many men congregate in such a way. is that the case?
    What is the point of all this ash? Some kind of reminder?
    Do the Naga’s live through begging? Is there a hierarchy?
    Like a lot of India it is a mystery to me, but maybe it makes sense to those who are born there. It does seem strange that this type of way of life goes on alongside the big problem of rape, etc in India, which most put down to sexual repression.
    I dont think this is as simple as Shantam implies.

  5. frank says:

    is it just about liberation,freedom and acceptance of life?

    maybe from an indian perspective.

    the jews slavs gypsies communists didnt get the benefits

    • dominic says:

      Don’t mention the war frank.
      Naked nazis ahead of their time with kettlebells, yogaposes and FKKing around. Time well wasted, now how about some nagas with their dangly bits?

      • frank says:

        cant help thinking shantams got a bit of the old Stockholm syndrome.
        he`s obsessed with the queen and the royals,reads the daily mail,writes articles about how much he loves the brits.
        now hes excited about getting his kit off with some crypto-fascists who he thinks are enlightened just because they show him their knobs.

        well,i suppose everyone needs a “taste of fascism”

        • Arpana says:

          Its you who reads the Daily Mail, aint it Frankie?

          • frank says:

            the Nazis rejected catholic guilt and pity and got into a kind of proto-new age pagan thing.
            amazingly,all that was heavily influenced by a certain reading of and semi-deification of Freddie N.
            the idea was that their human instincts to live out the natural and “master” mentality had been infected with judeo-christian slave morality,which preached shame,guilt and pity for the weak.
            when they threw off their shackles (and clothes) they would be free to reclaim their guilt and shame-free birthright.

            the release of sexual repression/removal of neurosis/leads to enlightenment paradigm of reich and co is not the simple maths we might have once thought it to be.

            eg.Germany has more prostitution than any other Eurozone country.
            a large part of them from which racial stock?

            the world will be fine when we all take our chuddies off?
            keep taking the happy pills.

            • anand yogi says:

              ” They threw of the shackles of Judeo-Christian guilt and shame,SO they could reclaim their guilt-free birthright”

              Hey,that`s what I`ve been doing all these years with the Osho meditations.
              Do you think,underneath it all, I might really be a fascist?

            • dominic says:

              Both Nietzsche (“god is dead”..yaay!) and Willy Reich (y’orgone love this) went a bit gaga, though they really were out to get him.

              “the release of sexual repression/removal of neurosis/leads to enlightenment paradigm of reich and co is not the simple maths we might have once thought it to be.”

              Come now it’s worth a shot. Still collecting the statistics on that one.
              When i see an A cute Triangle with great geometry or a beautiful circumference with complimentary angles, i’m thinking, what’s the probability ?

  6. Anand Newman says:

    Dear friends, lovers and fellow travelers,
    The same holy spirit ( what ever you want to call it) dwells in everyone of us and everywhere else. Its we humans label the people by race, language, color, country, cast, religion etc. etc. Can we all in this forum, at least stop labeling. Instead of saying Indian, German etc. can we simply say people from India or people who follow certain religion or who speak certain language? It may sound silly but it makes a huge difference.

    As far as I know, the cast system in India is originated based on the professions in olden days like potter, carpenter, farmer, trader etc. Now the ongoing urbanization and globalization is leveling out a lot of things.

    Now there are not many snake charmers but a lot of mouse charmers almost every where dominating the software industry all over the globe. No, we don’t eat monkey’s brain, we just export it to McDonalds !!

    Once one becomes a sannyasin ( both old as well as neo), he is beyond many things, so there is no question of cast for Naga babas. I myself never met or saw anyone from this naga baba community in person, but based on what I read, they are castrated ( sounds cruel ) at early age. They are like Geldings ( castrated male horse ), so there is no question of homo sexuality around them. They must be following certain practices, otherwise how they can survive extreme heat and cold temperatures in North India naked?
    Yes, as far as I know ash ( vibhuti) is a reminder of mortal nature of things and it also carries certain energy. For further info use google and find out more from the people who researched on them!?!

    Many cultural aspects are cyclic in nature. For ex. Indian classical dance was in its peak in the olden days, then it got confined to a small sect of people called Deva Dasi’s ( Temple dancers). Now again it became a fashionable thing to know and practice classical music and dance. When film industry started in India in the last century it was very hard for the producers to find actresses because of the conservative culture, now there are numerous stars ready even to do “item songs”.

    To cut the long story short, there are things that needs to die so the new foliage can come , like bristlecone pine. Yes, there are ugly sides to it too.

    After years of hard work, pulling the cart, bullocks develop tumors on their neck when they become old. Owner usually gives them a break while they get healed. But the near by crow comes and poke at the tumor , obviously he doesn’t know the pain of the bullock. Some people are like that crow and some are like that friendly owner who acknowledges its years of slogging.

    Jai ho !
    A sannyasin from India currently living in USA

    • Lokesh says:

      AN, I’ve met a few Naga Babas and all of them had their tackle intactus immoralis. I’ve included a video link that shows Shantam showing what a man he is. Do not try at home, although I am not sure about what Shantam is trying to show… a bit like his metaphors..

      The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

  7. frank says:

    re ‘nagas in action’…

    try youtube:
    `an idiot abroad dick on a stick`
    theres a couple of vids of the same thing.
    must see.

  8. shantam prem says:

    Sitting on my wheel chair
    Pissing through the tube
    Waiting for the Pollack nurse
    Send by the Christian Charity.
    I Miss India
    Country of multi coloured mysteries
    Alas! India does not have
    Old People´s home with western comforts!
    ( Diary of a Western man with Indian name)

  9. Fresch says:

    Lokesh, your sadhu naked behavior only shows your fearlesness:)
    In the end of -89, just before being invited to poona by sanyasins, at 23 years i was also living naked in arambol like many other young people then. Indians would avoyd seeing us then. Also, we used to sleep under the oppen sky in the jungle.. When i came to poona i was walking barefeet. I was perhaps fearless, but also very spaced out. You cannot do these kin d of crazy things any more..you only get raped.

    • Lokesh says:

      Thanks for the update, Fresch. Keep us posted as the situation deterioates.

    • dominic says:

      I too was in Arambollocks etc, but it’s all very chichi now.
      Lokesh is fearless, a ‘braveheart’ no less, who is used to scuddy running down saucchiehall street with his mates shouting, “They may take away our lives, but they’ll never take our freedom!”

      • frank says:

        last time I was in arambol.there were a family of northerners standing in t` lake.the dad had his trousers rolled up an he was wearing a knotted hankie on his head.
        “aye,i fancy a coupla pints for lunch,that locally made pork sausage I had for me full english breakfast this morning were a right bit whiffy”
        “aye but its reet spiritual ere intit?”
        “oh aye,like”

        • dominic says:

          “Why aye pet, they were leik hyem made sausages. Those pigs were eating me shit frem the ootseid nettie.”
          “Haddaway that’s canny. At least yee knaa weor it’s been.”
          “Ok aa’ve had enuff spirituality, ahm gunna the boozah”

  10. Preetam says:

    FKK in Germany came up around1900 as a “Life Reform Movement” as “most natural expression”. They saw it as sociopolitical concept against the old, a self reform from social bondage. They sought a renewal of the whole lifestyle. Basically it was a rebellion. A similarity with Osho to me is clear. Freedom of personal development by naturalness, not suppressed through social norms.

    In the beginning Nazis just as the GDR leadership were against nudism. Soon they realized, it needs to be defused and integrated within their own ideology.

    I reckon Trojan was fitted and they cleaned the Movement from within according the interests norm. Old and very practical strategy as we perhaps know too from the Commune, maybe we know how a Trojan looks like.

    • Preetam says:

      Both, New Age as well FKK came up around 1900. New Age as Newspaper with a socialist background in England, from 1907 even spiritual subjects were mentioned. FKK first came up in Germany also 1900. Anyway, people till the 18th Century bath nude in rivers and lakes. Isn’t it all about rebellion, not about rationality and idealizing tohuwabohu?

      • frank says:

        preetam.
        you are absolutely right about the tohuwabohu.
        and what about the lubeupyourbuttholeanddancethfandango movement in england in 1906? that was quite a life-style changing movement as well until the freemasons and the conservative party integrated it into their ideology and enslaved the innocent masses.

  11. shantam prem says:

    I see around people from different sects, cults religions; hardly any one looks like sannyasins ; I mean the way Happy Birthday balloons look after two three days.
    It is sad but what to do?
    It requires more courage to look at systematic failure than to see the Mommy and daddy fighting in family Constellation group.

    • bodhi vartan says:

      Shantam, do you write in Indian and auto-translate into English? I refuse to accept that you think like that.

      • frank says:

        VT. did you see the naga stick on a dick vid?

        what the naga babas do to their penis with the stick
        shantam has somehow done to his mind/brain..

        its a yogic feat alright.

        some say that he`s been giving his willy a good beating as well,but I couldn’t possibly comment on that.

        • bodhi vartan says:

          frank says:
          >> VT. did you see the naga stick on a dick vid?

          I watched it when it was first broadcast.

          Another of my favourite bits is this guy … they call it chanting but it’s a yezidi angelic (singing) language which uses only vowels. Think of of it in terms of the Hebrew language which does not use any vowels at all because the name of god is spelled using only vowels.

          In the prog it was only 15-20 secs long but they repeat it over and over on you tube.

          The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

      • dominic says:

        It is of course Stockhausen syndrome by proxy, reasoning is disabled and the victim imagines all sorts of complaints.
        In the cerebellum, rotor blades from Stockhausen’s helicopter string quartet, spew out words in sublime dadaistic frenzy.
        *Can’t help feeling it would have been better performed al fresco (naked). I think one of the helicopters is a bit sharp. http://youtu.be/13D1YY_BvWU

  12. shantam prem says:

    Not the readers of Osho, not the devotees and meditators of Osho, but people in the leadership position, people who are doing this this this work in the name of Osho and publishing with their photos in different sannyas web sites; if they are really true to their self, then I think they must learn the lesson from Angelina Jolie´s double mastectomy.
    Every living being or entity has always the risk of getting attacked by all kind of bacteria and viruses, even the ruins need protection from decaying.
    Why not to face it.
    Let me ask, Bodhi Vartan kinds, when was the last time, you have meditated with 10 sannyasins together?
    If you have to drive 300 miles for a weekend group and lodge in a B&B so that you can have a sannyas laugh, I will say it is a system failure.

    • frank says:

      people driving 300 miles for a weekend group and lodge in a b and b to have a laugh are having system failure on computer rather than subscribing to social networking site of white-skinned subjects of her majesty king of England King ParmArthur!
      why not to face it vartan,
      when is last time you have been in the room with 10 mangoes bouncing together ?
      maybe they were like happy birthday balloons 2-3 days after the party.
      sannyas movement is like miss india, 23, with skin like mango
      but have you ever seen skin on 23 year-old mango?
      it is sad but what to do?
      sannyas is like dick of nagababa being beaten with walking stick of osho leadership until the ruins are infected with all kinds of bacteria and virus .
      osho website leaders are like CEOs of fcuk who have not learned lesson of angelina jolies double mastectomy in PKK meeting!

    • bodhi vartan says:

      shantam prem says:
      >> even the ruins need protection from decaying.

      Are you saying I am old?

      >> Let me ask, Bodhi Vartan kinds, when was the last time, you have meditated with 10 sannyasins together?

      Ten days ago. But then you are asking the wrong person. Over the last few weeks I have identified some of ‘the real issues’ rather than what I thought the issues were … so you will be seeing changes too.

      You have to understand the nature of the animal. Why do you want to meditate with 10 sannyasins? Do you think something different happens when many are meditating together? Because if you do believe that, then you would have to experiment … and be ready to get surprised. Evolution is not ‘gradual’ but comes in ‘steps’.

      One of the currently major questions on the barrel-head is, should sannyas undertakings be, business or spiritual? Many like to feel they are being spiritual but are behaving in a business manner. Once the model is stabilized then the tone will become clearer.

      >> If you have to drive 300 miles for a weekend group and lodge in a B&B so that you can have a sannyas laugh, I will say it is a system failure.

      If you feel the system is wrong, fix it.

      Much of what you are hinting-at depends on where you are and the kind of numbers you have around you. I am in the middle of 11 million ppl so I am shooting at fish in a barrel. I understand that currently the healthiest sannyas community is in Italy … by using the “Who’s on line” forum facility … there appears to be bunch of sannyasins from the north of Italy on the forum … is that where the action is? Will any of these north Italian sannyasins be prepared to talk to us?

      • frank says:

        those liga norda sannyasins are pretty flash and flush…
        unless you`ve got a decent-sized wedge,a pair of ripe mangoes or good connections in the bunga-bunga scene ..forget it.
        those Italian sannyasin women are classy,they want la dolce vita osho-Armani-style not some waster from the big smoke with asda jeans,a DIY bargain-basement philosophy and a naga-ed dick.
        you`ve got to know your level.
        best bet: get yourself a copy of the” idiots guide to tantra” from a chatrity shop, a used black robe off e-bay and head for Lithuania or Ukraine or kazakistan

      • dominic says:

        “Will any of these north Italian sannyasins be prepared to talk to us?”
        Giao bello, I am-a Prem lolita . We love-a parlare, but-a my inglese no so good, eh. On a forum we can-no use our hands-a. I can-a be your dalai mama, your moan-a lisa, you like yes. I believ-a amore no armani. Salami is salami, no? Togezza we make-a frotty capuccino. But italian womans we like-a know whos-a boss, no? Just-a say like-a old, bald, Silvio at bunga bunga party, “Cesar!” (Seize her!) work every time.

  13. Fresch says:

    Shantam, really stop complaining and start your self practising any creativity: organize meditations, invite people, also niece woman you like (do not preachto them) start doing it your self. And then tell us all about your adventures..

    However we all have our ways to hide our nakedness. My own work is seen by many hundreds of thousands of people, but I put other people in front.. And tell my own story trough them.. Direct attention is easily too much for me.

    Well, this week I did dynamic in the park with some friends. Even it was early at 7.00 in the morning there were some people jogging. We do not scream of course. Still some moments I could feel being naked and there for the embarrassment; perhaps some successful work colleague was jogging by. So I was laughing through my embarrassment. It really felt very good release. I felt very loose in my body and movements. Open to the sky and very awake.

    So, in spite of my mind I could enjoy my feet on the ground and afterwards my friends went for swimming and I went for coffee.

    Dominic, pls share more about your self, it’ s difficult to comment on you if you only comment on others.. And almost the same with you frankie, humour is good, but I always like personal experience too. That is exposing, isn’t it? Being naked.

    Arpana, i have a feeling we might have met.. That is niece to meet old friends..

    Preetam, for some time i have been wanting to say to you that even i do appreciate sn a lot; i have many times said for giving this space for open discussion for all sanyas topics, i have a feeling you have a romantic view about journalism. In the normal world there is no such thing like objective journalism, even people are intelligent, often sincere etc.. Well, i will not go to detail, but that is an illusion. Perhaps that’s one reason osho seem to have wanted only “pr material”or positive material about his work …or that what they told us and not an open forum. also we sanyasins always have our agendas.. (By the way I did not suggest a festival like a renunion, but I would like it to be something totally new what never happened before)

    • Preetam says:

      In this world open an public or charitable trust with an adequate Agenda. People with the same Mind, new Ideas, as foundation to build – certainly it requires Money. From here it can implement and grow high, perhaps. Is it actually possible to create a respected Lobby?

      • bodhi vartan says:

        Preetam says:
        >> In this world open an public or charitable trust with an adequate Agenda. People with the same Mind, new Ideas, as foundation to build – certainly it requires Money. From here it can implement and grow high, perhaps. Is it actually possible to create a respected Lobby?

        It would have to be decided what “the product” is/tobe and where the “the customers” might be coming from … sannyasins could be selling to the wider public or could be selling to other sannyasins.

        Personally I have decided that there isn’t much that can be done online (but I stay open) so I am concentrating most of my efforts locally but will be soon be bringing in the net to support the on-the-ground activities.

        Fresch says:
        >> (By the way I did not suggest a festival like a renunion, but I would like it to be something totally new what never happened before)

        Fresch, I remember you from some months back. At the time I had a crazy idea about sannyasins running an online casino (that would have been different) but I have since given it up (that’s why I am now talking about it) for various reasons, moral included.

        If we keep talking something might come up … yak yak

  14. Fresch says:

    Oohh, i am sorry, it looks like i am a bit angry.. I did not mean it.

  15. Fresch says:

    For me politeness covers the shame of course and shame sticks hard on girls with good manners no matter how much therapy. I cannot scream on the beech, so my throat gets stuck and in cramp…so, just wait when I get my self going again:) then no respect..

    It’s really good to get to know all you “new” people here, more ankles, more interesting. This blog has developed really like from the mud to the lotus. I am very happy to be part of this circle.

    • satyadeva says:

      Yes, the ankles are truly a revelation!

      Never liked those ulta-long dresses and trousers anyway.

      Long live Prince Albert!

    • Arpana says:

      Big thing to be able to recognise and acknowledge shame.

      \(*O*)/

    • dominic says:

      Seems you’d like us in the flesh, fresch, round a campfire, singing carry me away.
      Doing dynamic without screaming and pounding stuff is like wearing a thick condom or doing a dick on a stick pose without the full posterior twist. Frustrating, but leave my cojones alone, they’re still recovering, you shameless shaman.
      Don’t judge your judgements and try to have a daily esteem bath or fresch shower of love.
      Remember we create our own reality, even though it says made in china on the back.
      You have to say “I am responsible for attracting all these @%#$! into my life, (especially Shantam.)”

  16. shantam prem says:

    Should I take few seconds to remind wise ladies and gentlemen, ” It is not in the nature of things to plant leaves and fruits and branches.”
    Teaching meditation, love etc. seems very cool. It nourishes the missionary in us. Only problem is many of the people who want to share this pious work, have no brand value.
    They should ask themselves, will they jump for any kind of meditation because someone has put some flair in their post box?

    • bodhi vartan says:

      shantam prem says:
      >> Only problem is many of the people who want to share this pious work, have no brand value.

      You are a lot more clever than you first appear to be … (you can take that as a compliment)

      >> They should ask themselves, will they jump for any kind of meditation because someone has put some flair in their post box?

      1. You are too close to the forest to see the trees.

      2. If you were using the product, you would know what it does, and then you wouldn’t need to write letters. You would let their eyes do the talking for you.

  17. Fresch says:

    Varta, crazy idea the casino:) must be one of these
    : how can i make a lot of money doing nothing..:) fun still. So i am curious for more adventures.

  18. Fresch says:

    Dominic, doing dynamic in 1000 different ways is the most creative act i know.

    Dear shantam, you can also participate in meditation or mystic rose in so many places in europe, easier than traveling to an indian city..forget about one indian city, osho is everywhere, even on my beach.

    Satyadeva, i am hopelessly lazy with writting even on my own language. It gives space for intepretation for the reader

    • bodhi vartan says:

      Fresch says:
      >> Dominic, doing dynamic in 1000 different ways is the most creative act i know.

      Then what you are doing is not dynamic … it’s sport. Dynamic was designed to create specific changes.

      • Arpana says:

        You’ve obviously not done much dynamic then Varty,

        (Every day for six months before you ask.)

        • bodhi vartan says:

          Arpana says:
          >> You’ve obviously not done much dynamic then Varty,

          Not much. I do more now than in those days. I probably need it more now …

          >> (Every day for six months before you ask.)

          I am a window-shopper compared to you. Maybe my body is more delicate. I don’t know. My body has tons of energy when I need it, but I find it difficult to get it to do anything when it’s not absolutely necessary.

          My argument is that meditation is meant to provoke creativity and contentment so as long as I am happyish (which I am when frank is not picking at my kebab levels) and creating, the rest is by the by.

          • Arpana says:

            I was but a lad then.

            Gibberish is good if you find those
            heavy duty routines to much.

            Five minutes gibberish,
            followed by five minutes vippassana.

            You will be amazed how powerful and effective that is.

            • satyadeva says:

              Agreed, Arpana, 5 or 10 minutes gibberish – ideally with body movements – followed by silence, is very good medicine.

              Also, for me, dynamic should be done exactly as prescribed, otherwise it’s just almost a sort of “sport”, as Vartan said, just a bio-energetically-oriented physical exercise.

              At its most powerful I recall there was no question of being consciously “creative”, the energy just took me over and ‘did its job’, as it were…

              Ah yes, dynamic was the making of me and my generation…You lot these days don’t know the meaning of fast, deep, chaotic breathing, you’re just a bunch of spoiled softies! When I was your age I’d be up before dawn, seven days a week, rain or shine, out there breathing, yelling and hoo-ing like a good ‘un! Nowadays, that’s all disappeared, it’s gone all “creative” – I blame the bloody yuppies myself.

              • Arpana says:

                I took Fresch to mean by creative, that the more you do do it,
                and I don’t see it as possible to do it any other way than as described, its so fucking challenging,
                every day starts to feel different,
                and then in my case, after about three months it began to happen by itself, I suppose I got past the effort , or something like that.
                I began to float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.

  19. shantam prem says:

    Osho is everywhere!
    So what?
    Is Mohammad not every where or Jesus or Buddha?
    Beauty of the belief is billions of people are so convinced with their Mr. Every where, they care a shit, even if almighty himself comes and goes.
    Sannyasins are weaklings in this matter. Once in a while, they like to squeeze in the Satsangs of ABC coming from XYZ countries.
    Everywhere is Ok, why not try what is here and now!
    “I am so much at home all around the world. Where ever I go, Hilton is there. In an instant second I feel at home.”
    Reading this in a newspaper interview, someone sitting on the foot path near the Victoria station with an empty disposable cup of MacDonald’s exclaimed, ” I will also feel at home every where.”

    Life is quite often a question of perception!

    • bodhi vartan says:

      shantam prem says:
      >> Sannyasins are weaklings in this matter. Once in a while, they like to squeeze in the Satsangs of ABC coming from XYZ countries.

      Stop labeling. Osho himself came out of an xyz country …

      >> Life is quite often a question of perception!

      The Osho who is everywhere is the one you carry yourself. He is not really everywhere but he is everywhere you go. Confront ppl with him for s giggle sometimes.

  20. Fresch says:

    Shantam, instead of perception, how about some action? I would love to hear you adventures when in action

  21. shantam prem says:

    Fresch, can you give me one two examples of people in action?

    Once International sales managers of H&M are selling towels on their pick ups to the tourists in Ibiza; if someone wants to give them the award of “Entrepreneurs of the Year”, who am I to oppose?

  22. Fresch says:

    Varty, dynamic is inner art, therefor so much variety..
    Shantam, what is action for you?
    I start being clever when i do not put my self over my comfortzone.happens all the time.

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