Catholic Church bans Reiki

Catholic bishops in US ban Japanese Reiki

As many of us sannyasins both practice or use Reiki this recently reported move by the Catholic Church again demonstrates what Osho was always saying about the dangers of Catholicism. Not so dangerous maybe as other fundamentalisms, but to be definitely watched. Furthermore the arguments described in this annotated news item seem so medieval, one wonders what century these Bishops are living in.

Reiki, an alternative Japanese therapy, is “unscientific” and “inappropriate” for use in Catholic institutions, according to America’s bishops.

Guidelines issued by the committee on doctrine at the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops warn healthcare workers and chaplains that the therapy “lacks scientific credibility” and could expose people to “malevolent forces”!

The document also claims that for a Catholic to believe in reiki presents “insurmountable problems”.

Reiki means “universal life energy” and was developed by the theology Professor Dr Mikao Usui at the turn of the 20th century, from Buddhist beliefs and Sanskrit teachings. The client lies on a couch, clothed and relaxing, while the therapist’s hands rest lightly on the body in a special sequence. This practice has many authenticated healing properties.

Amazingly, the church’s guidelines continues: “A Catholic who puts his or her trust in reiki would be operating in the realm of superstition, the no man’s land that is neither faith nor science. Superstition corrupts one’s worship of God by turning one’s religious feeling and practice in a false
direction.”

The document ends with the view that since reiki therapy is incompatible with Christian teaching and scientific evidence, “it would be inappropriate” for Catholic institutions, such as healthcare facilities and retreat centres, or people representing the church, such as chaplains, to
promote or provide support for it.

Such hogwash, is there any hope?

Sannyasnews Editors

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50 Responses to Catholic Church bans Reiki

  1. Heraclitus says:

    No Sirs,
    there is no hope. And you of all people should know that!
    Having no hope is the beginning of all spiritual life, How else can one shut down the fiction of the future?
    Be happy, you cannot step in the same river twice, and that’s how existence wanted it to be. Make your home in that existence, and nothing more is needed.
    Loive,
    Heraclitus.

  2. Catholic church bans Reiki or the magament at Osho Ashram bans heartful music and so on, is their a differecne in the mind approach?
    As Osho hammers; ” Priests and politicians are mafia of the soul”; will this stop creating priests and politicians?
    Yes, atleast His people will not use these two words; it is as easy as saying don´t use the word “shit” and shit will not happen!

  3. frank says:

    the american bishops are right.
    reiki is unsuitable for catholic institutions.
    paedophilia,buggery and wanking into your cassock are much more `scientifc` solutions in an institution that preaches `celibacy`.

  4. swami says:

    there are many different people that make up the catholic church and some of them are spirually aware and some of them are not.. similar to sannyasins.
    tarring them all with your judgemental brush is similar to acccusing yourself of being a brainwashed rajneeshee .

  5. Alok john says:

    Sannyas news writes : “This practice (Reiki) has many authenticated healing properties.” Oh really, in which peer reviewed scientific journals, please?

    I occasionally go to a Catholic Church, actually the Society of Pius X. Although the people are very different from sannyasins, and are obviously following a very different Master, many have good spiritual discernment and good judgement. I would not consider Reiki any more than light massage therapy, probably harmless, but that us all. I would not spend my money on it.

    While we are on the subject, I think more thought is required about using medieval as a term of opprobrium. In Catholic medieval Europe, there was no Holocaust, no Hiroshima, no Dresden. How many children were burnt alive in the shock and awe assault in the Iraq war? We kid ourselves if we think we are civilized.

  6. frank says:

    hi swami,
    cardinal ratzinger played a major role in covering up the sex abuse scandals in 1993.
    that means he knew of its existence and advised members of the church not to talk about it.
    who is cardinal ratzinger?
    the pope.

    do spiritually aware people support an old man who uses his power to hide the fact that (quite a number)of his quite highly ranked people are using their power to fuck children up the arse?

    just dont pass the collection tray my way,please.

  7. frank says:

    john,
    you have got to be joking.
    catholic europe,no holocaust?
    well starting with the estimated 2 million celts and saxons wiped out for opposing the imposition (catholic) xianity
    what of
    the albigensian crusades(massacre of the cathars)
    the crusades
    100 years war
    30 years war
    the witchhunts(400 years of)(probably a few witches did a bit of reiki)
    the inquisition
    the massacres of jews blamed for the plague
    the massacre of the moors leavng spain
    the huguenots
    etc etc etc etc etc
    ?

  8. frank says:

    john,
    its april 1st.
    ok,fair play.
    you got me.

  9. Alok john says:

    But 55 million killed in second world war alone. Do you think those numbers add up to 55 million? And many tens of millions killed in the USSR and China during the imposition of communism.

    I did not know that 2 million celts and saxons were killed for opposing Christianity.

    Numbers of witches executed in all of Europe between 1450 and 1700 recently revised down to 60,000. Probably less than 1,000 in the England, less than five a year.

    albigensian crusades : 1 million from Wikipedia

    Less than 5,000 people killed in the whole period of the Spanish inquisition.
    see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition#Death_tolls

    Quite an interesting article here about body counts in history

    http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm

  10. Alok john says:

    From Wikipedia

    “Scientific research

    The strongest research conducted as of 2008 has failed to demonstrate that Reiki is an effective treatment for any condition. This systematic review assessed this evidence base, finding nine studies which fit their selection criteria.[7] A modified Jadad score of methodological quality was used, taking into account the difficulty of blinding practitioners. Non-randomized studies were excluded, as the potential for intentional or unintentional bias in such studies is large, rendering the results uninterpretable. Overall, the methodological quality of the evidence base was found wanting, with even high-ranking studies failing fully to control for placebo effects and most studies suffering “methodological flaws such as small sample size, inadequate study design and poor reporting.”[7] As trials with such flaws are known to be likely to show exaggerated treatment effects, there is insufficient evidence to indicate that reiki is effective as sole or adjuvant therapy for any medical condition, or that it has any benefits beyond possible placebo effects.[7][8]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiki#Scientific_research

  11. frank says:

    sex before marriage
    homosexuality
    masturbation
    meditation
    buddhism
    rock music
    condoms
    reiki

    these are just some of the things that the pope and rc church condemns

    at what level of catholocism would that leave the average sannyas news reader,i wonder?
    somewhere in the region of excommunication,i would imagine!

    why are you sticking up for (excuse the pun) these idiots?

    meanwhile they are secretly wanking away and molesting children.

    get a grip,man (no pun intended)

  12. frank says:

    and check out
    “two tales one story” by pierre evald,
    osho`s librarian in pune 2..
    on google.
    there he shows cardinal ratzinger to have been part of the conspiracy to throw osho out of america.

  13. Alok john says:

    Actually I usually go to the Society of Pius X, only once in a while, which has had no sex scandals, as far as I know. The Society of Pius X broke away from the mainstream Catholic Church about 1970 and was not involved in the campaign against osho

    sex before marriage

    homosexuality Osho was against this, called it immature

    masturbation

    meditation

    buddhism Osho was often against the Buddhist religion “become Buddhas, not Buddhists”

    rock music I don’t like rock music much anymore

    condoms

    reiki From this site http://www.reiki.org/faq/WhatIsReiki.html “It has been effective in helping virtually every known illness and malady ” I take this sentence to be a lie as contradicts the scientific summary in the Wikipedia article on Reiki. The Church does a good job in telling people to keep away from a liar.

    I don’t have to agree with everything to go along. If I feel it benefits me I go along.

  14. Alok john says:

    The dominant belief system in the West is now the survival of the fittest, watered down Nazism, anything goes. For all its many faults, the Society of Pius X speaks out against this. So it is nice to go and listen to once in a while

  15. swami says:

    the wiki page on reiki is a project still under work.. and states …This is a controversial topic that may be under dispute. Please discuss substantial changes here before making them, making sure to supply full citations when adding information, and consider tagging or removing uncited/unciteable information.

    and..

    The examples and perspective in this article deal primarily with the United States and do not represent a worldwide view of the subject. Please improve this article or discuss the issue on the talk page.

    quoting the wiki to support your opinion could be little more than using a one sided article to support a onesided opinion….

    similar to quoting osho!

    imo ..if you believe in energy ..you have to believe in the channneling of such.

  16. Alok john says:

    Okay, I take your point Swami, but I think it is rather unlikely that Reiki “has been effective in helping virtually every known illness and malady ” ( Quote from http://www.reiki.org/faq/WhatIsReiki.html)

    Effective? If it was really “effective” people would know.

    “Did you hear about Jade Goody, she was three days away from death with cancer, she had two sessions of Reiki, and now has been told she is in complete remission.” Now that would be “effective.”

    (From this site http://www.reiki.org/faq/WhatIsReiki.html)

  17. amrito says:

    haha, Alok I actually did think you’re response was a very clever and genius April Fools Joke!!

    But…you are serious?

    Okay, Frank pointed out a few specific things:

    “well starting with the estimated 2 million celts and saxons wiped out for opposing the imposition (catholic) xianity
    what of
    the albigensian crusades(massacre of the cathars)
    the crusades
    100 years war
    30 years war
    the witchhunts(400 years of)(probably a few witches did a bit of reiki)
    the inquisition
    the massacres of jews blamed for the plague
    the massacre of the moors leavng spain
    the huguenots”

    Can you now go back to your statement where you say Catholisism in Medieval Europe had nothing similar to a Haulocost?

    What about the Vatican’s continual denial of condoms in Africa which can be directly related to the huge surge of Aids in the continent (which is and has killed millions). Where is there scientific backing of that?

    Okay, now Reiki…

    What I don’t understand Alok is how you can consider “osho energy” or “awareness” energy within certain places in Pune, or Sw. Arun’s meditation camps—and not talk about Scientific reasoning, and all of a sudden when it comes to Reiki, you would like peer-edited scientific review journals?

    Here is a good video Osho International has just uploaded on youtube: “Science and the Inner Journey”


    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

    Science has taken an arrogant stance on anything other than the scientific method. This is the whole structure science is currently based on: Hypothesis, test hypothesis, test the tests (statistically), blind-double blind, and peer-editing in the end.

    How can we take meditation into the labratory on a massive scale and conduct random tests of people’s experiences just in order to PROVE meditation exists.
    And its funny, tests are being done and hours of meditations are being used as units. So all those monks in monasteries are considered “very” meditative because they have many units of meditation: a scientific conclusion.

    Science isn’t wrong tho, because science is an adjective for “discovering truth”. And there are different scientific approaches towards conciousness and energy, but the scientific method is definately not one.

  18. frank says:

    the results of science also depends very much on the particular experiment that is chosen to start with.
    what is the scientific method for choosing the experiment itself in the first place?
    is there one?

    for example,up until now,no one has chosen to test scientifically,the claims of renunciates of celibacy.
    widespread willfully induced life-long celibacy is clearly an anti-rational idea in evolution-based science,and surely in need of debunking.
    this could easily be done by attaching electrodes to their penises,measuring their sperm count,skin heat,checking sheets cctv etc etc but instead `scientific enquiry` is pointed at things like reiki.why?

    scientific method is neutral
    but choice of experiment is investment-based.

    i say lets hook up some of these bishops to some state of the art equipment and find out what they are really up to.

  19. Alok john says:

    Amrito,

    Reiki claims to be a medical technique. It “has been effective in helping virtually every known illness and malady. ” So then it is testable by scientific method.

    Meditation is not specifically about the physical body, so it is not really appropriate to use medical science to test it. As you say it is probably not amenable to scientific method because it is “inside.”

    “Can you now go back to your statement where you say Catholisism in Medieval Europe had nothing similar to a Haulocost?” Probably though I do not think there was anything in Medieval Europe, ie before 1500, equivalent to the 55 million deaths of WW2. I was just making the point that I was doubtful about using the word “medieval” as a term of opprobrium (ie it is something bad). Perhaps historians of the future will use “20th century” as a term of opprobrium. I am just a bit doubtful of our conditioning that “we are civilized and Medieval Europe wasn’t.”

    “What about the Vatican’s continual denial of condoms in Africa which can be directly related to the huge surge of Aids in the continent (which is and has killed millions). Where is there scientific backing of that?” Just because I go along sometimes to the Church does not mean I agree with everything. I regard the Church as a resource I can use if I want to. There are very few resources available to survivors of serious childhood abuse.

    This is interesting about the Pope and condoms and HIV infection. I always try and read the opinions of people I disagree with…
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92702

  20. swami says:

    your link to the website …http://www.worldnetdaily.com/
    Worldnetdaily has been criticized as unreliable and “christian far-right..
    Alokjohn..perhaps you are lost in the fog !
    you seem more aligned to right wing neo christian conservative than to sannyas..

  21. swami says:

    your link to the website …
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/
    Worldnetdaily has been criticized as unreliable and “christian far-right..
    Alokjohn..perhaps you are lost in the fog !
    you seem more aligned to right wing neo christian conservative than to sannyas..

  22. swami says:

    this is the site you are reading and linking to alok???

    WorldNetDaily is a for-profit website that provides primarily evangelical-conservative-oriented news and editorials, publishes letters to the editor, maintains forums and conducts a daily poll. It has been described as having a right wing conservative perspective.

  23. amrito says:

    Swami wrote:

    “you seem more aligned to right wing neo christian conservative than to sannyas..”

    Actually, I think Sw. Alok John has the right of every sannyasin (which is to me; simply a human being seeking within) to be completely himself in his views.

    I do disagree with his views on this subject, but I also see Sw. Alok John as someone not following the status quo (where many will bash catholics left right and center). Hence, his opposing views only bring out a jucier discussion towards the truth of the subject.

    So, proceeding to disagree more with Alok:

    The link that you have shown, is, as Swami points out endorsed by a pro-christian, conservative news network.

    When I did search the original article from Dr. Green (Harvard), here are a few interesting quotes:

    “Let me quickly add that condom promotion has worked in countries such as Thailand and Cambodia, where most HIV is transmitted through commercial sex and where it has been possible to enforce a 100 percent condom use policy in brothels (but not outside of them). In theory, condom promotions ought to work everywhere. And intuitively, some condom use ought to be better than no use. But that’s not what the research in Africa shows. ”

    and than:

    “Don’t misunderstand me; I am not anti-condom. All people should have full access to condoms, and condoms should always be a backup strategy for those who will not or cannot remain in a mutually faithful relationship”

    -Dr. Green

    So these quotes are not published obviously in the biased pro-christian fundementalist website.

    The Pope says condom use anywhere is somewhat wrong (including Thailand where it does work).

    But eliminating condoms from Africa isn’t Greens solution either, he simply is saying Condoms wont solve the problem.

    How many African countires became a polygmous sexual playground is beyond me. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it did have a connection with Colonial oppressors or missionaries.

  24. Alok john says:

    Just because I read it or quote the website does not mean I agree with it. It is not subject I have researched in depth.

  25. Alok john says:

    Dr Green comes from the AIDS Prevention Research Project at Harvard University. Although as you would expect Dr Green’s address was picked up by Christian sites, as far as I know the AIDS Prevention Research Project at the Harvard University is just a university dept.

    Here is the site http://www.harvardaidsprp.org/

    Swami “Alokjohn..perhaps you are lost in the fog !
    you seem more aligned to right wing neo christian conservative than to sannyas..”

    I’d certainly be out of place amongst right wing neo christian conservatives!
    I seem to be out of place in most places now!

    “Sannyas” is not a political party or grouping. I just like reading lots of different stuff from different sources. I thought Dr Green’s ideas were interesting and intelligent and bashed the status quo, so worth mentioning.
    But I would not like to say I “agree” with it because I have not researched the subject in depth. There may be opposing intelligent views I do not know about.

  26. swami says:

    from the osho times…

    YOUR ANSWERS QUESTIONED….

    YOUR CHIEF CHARACTERISTIC

    I am concerned about my friend’s drinking habits.

    “Don’t think about anything that concerns others.

    “And that’s what you go on thinking. Ninety-nine percent of the things that you think about concern others. Drop them — drop them immediately!

    “Your life is short, and your life is slipping out of your fingers. Each moment you are less, each day you are less, and each day you are less alive and more dead! Each birthday is a death day; one more year is gone from your hands. Be a little more intelligent.

    “Do not think about anything that concerns others. Train first against the defilement that is greatest.

    “Gurdjieff used to say to his disciples — the first thing, the very very first thing, “Find out what your greatest characteristic is, your greatest undoing, your central characteristic of unconsciousness.” Each one’s is different. Somebody is sex-obsessed. In a country like India, where for centuries sex has been repressed, that has become almost a universal characteristic; everybody is obsessed with sex. Somebody is obsessed with anger, and somebody else is obsessed with greed. You have to watch which is your basic obsession.

    “So first find the main characteristic upon which your whole ego edifice rests. And then be constantly aware of it, because it can exist only if you are unaware. It is burnt in the fire of awareness automatically.

    “And remember, remember always, that you are not to cultivate the opposite of it. Otherwise, what happens is a person becomes aware that, ‘My obsession is anger, so what should I do? I should cultivate compassion.’ ‘My obsession is sex, so what should I do? I should practice brahmacharya, celibacy.’

    “People move from one thing to the opposite. That is not the way of transformation. It is the same pendulum, moving from left to right, from right to left. And that’s how your life has been moving for centuries; it is the same pendulum.

    “The pendulum has to be stopped in the middle. And that’s the miracle of awareness. Just be aware that, ‘This is my chief pitfall, this is the place where I stumble again and again, this is the root of my unconsciousness.’

    “Don’t try to cultivate the opposite of it, but pour your whole awareness into it. Create a great bonfire of awareness, and it will be burned. And then the pendulum stops in the middle.

    “And with the stopping of the pendulum, time stops. You suddenly enter into the world of timelessness, deathlessness, eternity.”

    Osho.
    The Book of Wisdom, Chapter 9

  27. amrito says:

    Alok says:

    “Just because I read it or quote the website does not mean I agree with it. It is not subject I have researched in depth.”

    I just actually re-read the previous comment, and you’re right, you were just providing the link and not an opinion—-my bad!

  28. Hev says:

    the mind approach:

    If a belief is in the mind…

    Here’s something that may make you better…
    ‘Try this sugar pill- it works for many patients’

    Hey presto it very often DOES work.

    Who wants to publish that in a peer reviewed journal..
    perhaps sugar manufacturer?

  29. swami says:

    passing on a right wing neo conservative link is the same as supporting it.
    we are all responsible for what we pass on ..if you are going to pass something on then you should actually have a look at what it is and not act as some kind of spammer.

  30. swami says:

    hi hev.
    here on wiki is a page about the placebo effect .
    have a look it is quite good…
    from there….
    The placebo effect is a medical phenomenon where the results of a medical treatment are affected by the patient’s ideas about how effective the treatment is. The term is especially used when a patient responds dramatically to a physiologically inactive treatment. Inactive treatments used to induce the placebo effect are called placebos; inert “sugar” pills and sham surgeries are typical examples.

    The placebo effect is a pervasive phenomenon in medicine and placebos are widely used in contemporary healthcare.[3] The placebo effect sheds light on the brain’s role in physical health, and allows drugs to be compared against inert equivalents in medical studies. The deceptive nature of the placebo creates tension between the Hippocratic Oath and the honesty of the doctor-patient relationship.

  31. swami says:

    heres that link ….

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

    its a great read ..have a look..
    also from there…

    Placebo effect
    Enhancing factors
    # Color. Red, yellow, or orange, “hot colored” tablets work better as stimulants, and “cool” colored ones–blue green, or purple–as depressants.[16]
    # Big rather than small capsules.[17]
    # Number. Two tablets are more effective than one.[18]
    # Branded proprietary tablets are more effective than unbranded ones.[19]
    # High price. Telling people they are taking a novel form of codeine (actually a placebo) that costs $2.50 rather than 10 cents increased the number of people reporting pain relief from 61% to 85.4% [20]
    # Injections have larger effect than pills.[21]
    # Devices (sham acupuncture) are more effective than inert pills.[12]
    # If an inert substance is pre-associated in past experience with a real effect.[22]
    # Placebos administered by authority figures such as shamans, general practitioners and other trusted figures may also be more powerful than when the psychological or spiritual authority figure is absent.

  32. frank says:

    blimey,ssanyass news is beginng to sound like a coming-out organ for closet fascists.

    first we have groupenfuhrer antonius tompsongruber proclaiming that inferior people get it in the neck from superior people cos the`yre asking fo it.
    now we`ve got alokjohn bigging it up for the pope and putting in a shout for the joys of feudaism
    and the society of custard pius X

    well as i have said before,
    the master disciple relationship a 100% authoritarian pyramid situation.
    so i suppose its not much of a surprise,really.

    “i am not a democrat,i am a dictator”
    -osho

  33. Hev says:

    Yes its a very interesting that placebo effect.

    and can be an ethical issue but there is evidence that even being honest that “What I’m giving you does not contain any drugs” but truthfully offering a pill as , “It has worked for others” can work { especially as you saw in the article if it is red}, and further the trust with which the ‘treatment’ is taken all add up to the power of the compassionate quality of care for a person . The charisma of the leader/doctor/practitioner is part of the process. Maybe it has been underestimated what a hard act to follow was that Jeshua.

    So while The mainstream Catholic Church was offered guidelines to follow what worked or not scientifically it is missing the fact that people find these alternative treatments provide the lacking TLC.

    I know people in my circle who have found tender loving care from a RC Father.

    I would also like to remind the discussion that sexual abuse takes place in children’s homes and families

  34. swami says:

    regarding reiki.
    there is no evidence or almost no evidence that reiki works..
    iys a spiritual thing so if you believe in it then ,, why not use it in a complimentry way..never as the only method of healing..
    I like to call it laying of hands or just.. healing..
    our mothers and such used to say ..let me rub it better…
    or they would ..kiss it better…if you have like goody had serious final stage cancer some alternative healing would be more a way to take your mind off it than the cure.
    too many scientific theories make jack a dull boy at least allow a little room for “magic”. don’t take that word too literall..
    if you have a headache created by a temperature it is possible to cool the area..or take the heat into your own body and …similar realities..

  35. Personaly I´m not so impressed with bishops in US,or even in India; adopting some of this eastern newly approaches, about workings of mind so little known in western scientifcly minded culture;*Where from?!Not long ago I personaly experienced amongst my mortal fellow beings, in the mother ancient (Vedic!) culture,how ignorant this ancient civilisation were about about their own!No,or Yes,its only a matter of knowledge about some things in life or ignorance about other things in life!This will take its time and may I suggest that brother Veeresh is helping amongst many other therapy Centers in the world to put this huggs right! Praise the Lord! Ignorance is that we still need to discover somethings in life and other things may be secondary!

  36. Alok john says:

    Swami

    “passing on a right wing neo conservative link is the same as supporting it.
    we are all responsible for what we pass on ..if you are going to pass something on then you should actually have a look at what it is and not act as some kind of spammer.”

    Dr Green’s article was on several sites. I thought it was nicely presented on the Christian site so I put it up. But I only looked quickly; I am not doing a piece of academic research here. Immediately before the link I wrote “I always try and read the opinions of people I disagree with…” so I think it is very funny you say I support it in that context.

    “We are sannyasins of Osho. We are so wonderful we know everything.”

  37. Alok john says:

    Do you think that amongst sannyasins Christians are hated more than anyone else? I think this might be true.

    We are of course meant to be using meditation to turn our hatred into love.

  38. swami says:

    we see only our own hatred.

  39. Alok john says:

    Swami “we see only our own hatred’

    Surely not. Surely Osho could see the bitterness and darkness (hatred?) in Sheela’s unconscious.

    Would an ex terrorist who had murdered people be more welcome amongst sannyasins than an ex Anglican priest? I think so.

  40. swami says:

    I myself see/tsaw no bitterness and darkness (hatred) in Sheela’s unconscious…she was given a rope at the mystery school door and did what almost all of us would have done ..hung herself with it..
    I personally disagree that there was or is darkness and bitterness in sheela’s unconscious and if Osho saw it I imagine he would have accepted it all…

    questions are of more value if they are asked of ourselves and not of others..

    is there bitterness in your heart ?
    and
    would you you rather welcome? and then you have to ask yourself why?

    myself .. I send sheela my love ..as Osho did when the trouble flared ..he said he loved her and she could come back as we had the best people to help her ..

    and I think what people were is irrelevant ..

    are these ex murdering terrorists and ex anglican priests common there in london?

  41. frank says:

    the ex-terrorist wouldnt need any sannyasin welcome,he would already be receiving £24,000 a week in benefits and living the life of riley in a council flat paid for by the taxpayer.
    whilst the anglican priest,as a white,law-abiding christian would be part of a genuinely oppressed minority in his own country.

    excuse me,john.
    have you got a copy of the daily mail stuck up your backside or something?

  42. swami says:

    yea lighten up alok john ..if you want to ..or perhaps you don’t even need to ..if you need to and I can help in any way ..I am here for you ..

    mentioning the daily mail ..they do have some good alternative med/therepy articles and this is from there…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?searchPhrase=reiki

    Reiki

    The word Reiki is Japanese, meaning Universal Life Energy. It is a totally safe and non-invasive system of natural healing, developed in Japan at the end of the last century but based on ancient teaching. Reiki is very simple and very powerful. When used for healing, it works at the physical, the mental and the spiritual level, giving deep relaxation, relief from ailments and a gentle and profound sense of release and well-being. The healing energy goes straight to the source of any problem. Treatment takes about one hour and you remain fully clothed. It is also very simple to learn Reiki for self?help treatment or to treat family and friends. It is taught by Reiki masters trained in the original traditions.

    Reiki treatment during pregnancy has tremendous benefits for both mother and baby. It encourages deep relaxation, eases back pain, relieves nausea and insomnia. Regular treatment can lead to a smoother labour and delivery. It is also highly effective at calming distressed babies, though infants whose mothers received Reiki in pregnancy tend to be happy babies.

  43. Alok john says:

    Swami, I am sure Reiki brings relaxation which is good for overall health, but don’t the Reiki people imply it can do quite a bit more than this. That is what I would object to. If they called it a nice healing massage, they’d get fewer punters. It is just business, isn’t it?

  44. swami says:

    hi alok .
    even business is not always business

    it can be just business if is is your buisness then I would recomend diversifying .. personally I would never pay for a reiki session .. but I would have one in exchange for something..
    and a couple of times in my life I have personally used it on friends in situations where I felt it would be beneficial and have.concentrated my energy and applied healing hands ..

  45. frank says:

    crypto-fascists coming out of their closets disguised as psychotherapists…
    members of the bigus dickus porcus pius society
    loose on the streets of london…
    now,tired of endless oshoquoting,sannyasins turn to the daily mail for spiritual enlightenment.

    didn`t nostradamus say something like this would happen ?

  46. swami says:

    Crypto-fascism

    had to google that ..!

    Fascism portal
    Politics portal

    Crypto-fascism is the secret adherence of a party or group to the doctrines of fascism while attempting to disguise it as another political movement. It can also refer to an individual who admires or desires fascism, but keeps this admiration hidden to avoid social persecution or political suicide. The term is used in a similar fashion to crypto-Judaism or crypto-Christianity, referring to the secret practice of one faith while adhering to another religion publicly.

  47. Chrissy says:

    Hmm so where is the scientific study that prayer works? It is all about control with the the catholic church. As someone said they are jealous that something else will pull people away from the church. Oh they did that to me as a young kid. I didn’t believe their crap then and I am sick of how they butt their noses into everything.

    Reiki does work. We have have very good luck with cancer patients. and Wikipedia stated only 9 studies. I am sure they were studies that were greatly influenced if not conducted by the catholic church…..

  48. Chetna says:

    “Hmm so where is the scientific study that prayer works?”

    Hm, where is the scientific study that there is a soul?

  49. halima says:

    “How can you tell an old sannyassin?”
    “That’s the one who has learned how not to grow.”

    You know, Osho was not only a failure, but, sorry, what about his people? Where is the love? the power? the glory? Osho used to say that where religion was alive that’s where you would find the young people, “rebellious youth movement”. Well, by his own definition… that’s not happening anymore

    check out orthodox church…
    again, like we all do…

    13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

  50. Chris Esmond says:

    Just a couple of thoughts re comparing the violence of modern and medieval times:

    Let’s remember the population was far, far smaller then than now so basing conclusions purely upon numbers slaughtered and/or tortured is probably very misleading!

    And think of the advances in technology which has made mass murder a much more straightforward affair in our times.

    Could it be that such comparison is a ‘non sequitur, that the ignorance of the human mind is the real ‘culprit’, in whatever shape or form it has assumed through the ages?’

    People – including us, of course – possessed by and obsessed with greed, power-madness, hatred and self-righteousness…based upon what?

    Fear and lack of love, ignorance of our ‘original face’?