Dharm Joyti told some short intriguing stories about her close early interactions with Osho. Here is one with an unanswered koan. Any take on the Koan, beloved SN readers?
After His morning bath, Osho likes to have toast and tea for His breakfast. He is sitting on the sofa–a little table is placed before Him. He is wearing a white lunghi and the upper part of His body is Naked. He wraps a shawl around only when He goes out. He is looking so fresh and beautiful–like a pink rose in full bloom. I bring toast and tea on a tray, place it on the table and sit on the floor opposite Him. As I fill the cup with tea, He asks me, “Where is yours?”
I say, “Osho, I don’t drink tea.”
He laughs and says, “Meditation is not possible without drinking tea. Tea keeps the meditators awake” — and tells me the story of Bodhidharma who plucked his eyelids and threw them away because he was feeling sleepy while meditating. The first tea leaves grew from them.
Seeing my reluctance to have tea, Osho fills the other cup and asks me to try it. I drink it slowly and like it and I tell Him it tastes really good. He gives me another cup and says, “One cup won’t do; you have to drink two cups every morning.”
I ask Him, “How about if the cup is big?”
He says, ” The size of the cup does not matter: two cups of tea every morning!”
I ask Him, “What is the secret of two cups?”
He says, “It is a Zen koan for you!”
Next morning, at breakfast, He asks me, “Did you find the answer to the Zen koan?”
I say, “Maybe: one cup for me, and one in the name of my beloved.”
He says, “You have come close to the answer but not exactly.”
one for filling the body, one for emptying the mind.
tea for two and two for tea
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The Koan is, of course, a subliminal suggestion and it implies that if two cups of tea is not enough to wake you up you might try switching to coffee.
A koan doesn’t have an answer that will please the mind.
Osho created a storm in the second teacup …
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I tried to find out what the sound of one hand clapping sounds like and received a hard slap on the face. Is there a complaints box?
Must have been our Zen Mistress, she’s very enthusiastic.
If you do complain , make sure you go onanonanon, with just the one hand.
prem martyn says:
>> make sure you go onanonanon, with just the one hand.
It is not true that Onan was a one-handed reader … his sin was practicing the withdrawal method.
truth, like beauty, is in the hand of the beholder…
or in the eye, … but then I think that particular Japanese koan is called a bukakke.
but you might need a cigarette to go with the two cups of tea by then…
a koan is a koan is a koan …………..
If even coffee is not enough to wake you up, try Starbucks!
when bucks go out from the purse, wakefulness arises.
how else would you become an addict – you need to increase the dose further
I presume Dhyan Jyoti is drinking two cups of tea every morning from that day onwards, after all it is not a difficult commandment like the last wish, 20 different spices in a family zoo should live in harmony, perform in harmony even when ring leader is no more there to conduct the show.
Why not kick back and simply enjoy the show? Who cares who is conducting it? Especially when it is all just a whiff of smoke. The haggis is out! And in that moment MacShantam attained enlightenment under a giant thistle and the bagpipes cried Mary.
spices .. species … 20 different spices … I thought you were making curry
Your honor, it is all a whiff of smoke. Life is just a leela, a play, signature on the waves of time…
Me lord, if you have the same opinion, Can i have a date with your wife please!
Surely, you can kick back and enjoy the show!
Sorry Shantam, the only date available for you isn’t until December….the thirty-second.
don’t forget the animal mass sacrificing festival republic of Nepal, which is getting itself ready to be the first Osho-legacy national State where Arun’s influence is so great with ex prime ministers that a public campaign to stop this cruel and non buddhist, non hindu , non Osho cow bashing with axe hammers is now gaining massive support, for humane legislation to be passed, at the very least. His followers are active about that, aren’t they ? He does get on the phone about it doesn’t he ? Sure, sure….
25th March, there is still snow. It makes me shiver to think, Christmas, the while Christmas full of snow is just 9 months away.
In between there will be spring, summer with rain, rain with summer, few dozens stary nights and happy Christmas. End of one more year. Life is from winter to winter!
Compare this whether with the most ideal whether enjoyed by the Indian gurus. I don´t think any one of them have ever seen a snow storm; neither Aurbindo nor ramana maharishi, nor Osho…neither ABCD´s of present time..
And these great souls feel a kick of satisfaction when they teach the happy go lucky attitude to their western disciples. None of them have taken this into consideration that we are also the product of whether around us.
Summer shorts want to teach playfullness to the people who need jackets and pullies to avoid shivering cold..
I am 100% sure, the enlighetenment too is a by product of whether till a certain extent..and Indians will have more advantage in this branch of life then their Europian counterparts….
Well, Rajneeshpuram had very cold winters, didn’t it, with plenty of snow at times? Wasn’t Osho there throughout such inclement weather?
As for your:
“And these great souls feel a kick of satisfaction when they teach the happy go lucky attitude to their western disciples.”
Since when did Indian gurus all “teach a happy go lucky attitude”? Doesn’t Osho stand out among the crowd for his, er, ‘extremely liberal’ stance?
Maybe it’s time for you to select another guru, Shantam, one that could possibly help you cope with your current difficulties in adapting to the harsh realities of the northern hemisphere?
shantam prem says:
>> I am 100% sure, the enlighetenment too is a by product of whether till a certain extent.
I am 100% sure, that enlightenment is not based on temperature …
Well, Rajneeshpuram had very cold winters, didn’t it, with plenty of snow at times? Wasn’t Osho there throughout such inclement weather?..
Satya deva, Osho went their as an established leader, enlightened he was already.
Ask any Indian in any of the Western universities from UK to USA, Canada, Australia, what they are studying. Not a single will say theology or religion. Not a single out of 2 million elite students!
Leave this aside, ask any European or American who has not cramped Indian esoteric books about the Inner treasures,Inner journey etc…showing the interest is a far away thing, most of them have not even heard or used such pharase their whole life. Even a beggar in India is familiar with this concept…
What i want to say is that South Indian Ammas coming from a different set of whether and social set up can bring the cuddling effect, for the simple reason, warm whether produce warm hearted people. It is not that they are wiser.
Even in Europe, one can see the difference between British woman and Italian woman, Swiss woman and a Spanish woman Women from the warm countries look more soothing, more fourth chakra radiation. Again it does not mean, they are better.
About man i am not taking about. I know from the days of Pune ashram, Swamis were just fillers…Osho was a high end brand because of His women, women with hairy arm pits!
Those were the golden days!
“Even in Europe, one can see the difference between British woman and Italian woman, Swiss woman and a Spanish woman Women from the warm countries look more soothing, more fourth chakra radiation.”
SD:
Hardly “more soothing”, Shantam, more openly emotional would be more apt, I suggest. Which can go either way, can’t it: either overflowing warmth, or overflowing ‘something else’, eg sorrow, rage?!! You’re unlikely to get one side without the other, as you must know by now!
But wherever someone’s from, whatever weather, background or culture, surely the essential ‘taste of enlightenment’ is the same: cool rather than hot, detached rather than attached, ‘in the world but not of it’…?
Sure, there might be some fiery ‘gunas’ to work through (as Osho himself did, for a few years), but they seem to subside in time.
Repression is bad news for anyone, but Shantam, are you suggesting that enlightenment has anything at all to do with how openly emotional, how emotionally expressive a person is?
If so, you’re deluded. I mean, if that were the case, then vast numbers of Latin Americans, Italians, Greeks, Spanish, Asians and Africans, for example, would be among the most evolved on the planet.
the essential ‘taste of enlightenment’ is the same: cool rather than hot, detached rather than attached, ‘in the world but not of it’…?
Are not all these adjectives used in a very subjective way?
Is there some general criteria, some yardstick to tell who is in the world and still not of it?
I think queen of England stands tall, she looks like fullfilling this criteria.
More or less, the way teenagers used the word “Cool” for someone, mature seekers use, “Enlightened” for their choice of person.
If enlightenment is a state of being, if such people are having their last life on the earth, how we can really found it.
Do existence publish civil servants report book; who will be retired from duty with distinction in the cosmic danger zone called Earth..
Most amusingly expressed, Shantam, I invariably enjoy your style more than your content!
Anyway, I guess each of us simply has to trust our own judgment – and choose who to trust – in such a weighty (!) matter.
The Queen isn’t such a bad example – except she gets others to write her speeches. And (whispering) – don’t tell anybody – she probably doesn’t know she’s a robot yet….
satyadeva says:
The Queen isn’t such a bad example – ………….. she probably doesn’t know she’s a robot yet….
The Queen? Enlightened? Yeah right! Being married to a Greek probably did it … She’s got three disfactional sons and a daughter that should be a horse.
“The Queen? Enlightened?”
You better believe it, Vartan. It’s only Saturn on her ascendant (implying a profound sense of responsibility) that obscures the truth for pleasure-worshippers like yourself, while others with Saturnian tendencies like me see it all too clearly.
One of these Christmases, she’s going to surprise the whole world by declaring her ‘robotitude’, before shouting, “I finally got it – it’s all a Dream, I don’t exist as an Individual at all, I’m a Mechanism pretending to be Someone! The clouds have parted, I see it All, it just doesn’t matter…Nothing matters! Come on, everybody, let the Good Times Roll!”
I actually like the Queen. Considering that the Empire was lost during her reign, she actually did a good job. I like Willy and Harry too. Good eggs both of them. I told you I can wear many hats.
shantam prem says:
>> If enlightenment is a state of being,
Enlightenment is not a state, it’s a process … of getting to know yourself. You know, the old … “Know thyself”.
Osho probably knew more about himself than any man who has ever lived … so you can use him as yardstick. You can also use some of the feedback you are getting here. There is no limit in what you can use to further the subject. Go and ask five women out next week.
Vartan:
“Osho probably knew more about himself than any man who has ever lived … so you can use him as yardstick.”
SD:
Did he? Was he ever married and/or had children? Ever got divorced? Did he ever work in any field apart from academia and spiritual teaching? Can you imagine him ever living an ordinary life in the West? How much first-hand experience did he have of other countries, other cultures?
(Please, no mention of ‘past lives’, let’s keep this ‘real’!).
Setting all that aside, why should Osho’s self-knowledge, which you equate with ‘enlightenment’, be superior to any other so-called ‘fully awakened’ being’s?
The answer’s pretty blindingly obvious, isn’t it? He allowed you to seriously suggest to poor, confused Shantam, that ‘simultaneous’ multiple dating is charged with spiritual significance!
Whether it is or not, isn’t the fundamental attraction of Osho for you, Vartan, the, shall we say, ‘bottom line’, the emphasis on sex? Without that, would you really be that interested?
This post has lead me to wondering if part of the initial draw of meditation is actually unconscious, fear, condemnation of sex. (And anger and human stuff. )
Maybe, Arpana…But real meditation will bring up all that anyway, surely?
Well yes, but I seem to have recognized this because I’ve transcended, got past that.
Certainly didn’t see that at the time. Never to late.
PS.
Something like I wouldn’t have got interested in meditation If i hadn’t seen all that human stuff as so wrong.
(Bear with me. I’m digging.)
satyadeva says:
>> He allowed you to seriously suggest to poor, confused Shantam, that ‘simultaneous’ multiple dating is charged with spiritual significance!
What I suggested to Shantam, relates only to Shantam as a way to learn more about himself, and I base my suggestion on previous communications on this forum.
>> Whether it is or not, isn’t the fundamental attraction of Osho for you, Vartan, the, shall we say, ‘bottom line’, the emphasis on sex? Without that, would you really be that interested?
Not in the slightest. Any ‘religious’ leader to tries to control sex (in my book) is a buffoon. I was thelemite before I was a sannyasin so for me … the only reason the planet goes round the sun, the only reason flowers open and smell so nice, and the only reason birds sing is because of sex.
When me and you talk about sex, I don’t think we are talking about the same thing.
“When me and you talk about sex, I don’t think we are talking about the same thing.”
Ok, I get the wider concept, Vartan, and where you’re coming from.
And I think when men and women talk about sex, they too aren’t talking about the same thing.
satyadeva says:
>> Setting all that aside, why should Osho’s self-knowledge, which you equate with ‘enlightenment’, be superior to any other so-called ‘fully awakened’ being’s?
I don’t know-of or have any interest in other awakened beings. Enlightenment entails acquiring what you need from the environment and I don’t see that Osho lacked of anything.
Total enlightenment is absolute knowledge of one’s self. At some point you realise that there is nothing outside the self and the world is your creation for your amusement.
I have no idea what you might think enlightenment is, please elucidate me.
Vartan, you say you “don’t know-of or have any interest in other awakened beings”, which sort of undermines your claim that “Osho probably knew more about himself than any man who has ever lived”, as you simply don’t have enough evidence, enough experience to make such an assertion.
I’m not saying Osho “lacked anything”, just that other Masters’ life experience might well be equally rich, equally valid. And their self-knowledge equally profound. But you seem to want to put Osho on a pedestal, ‘Master of Masters’ and all that…
Unlike you – or how you like to present yourself – I’m no authority on ‘enlightenment’, but I suspect that your brief description: “Total enlightenment is absolute knowledge of one’s self. At some point you realise that there is nothing outside the self and the world is your creation for your amusement”, while leaving out much, is more or less on the right lines.
Except that I’d beware of the word “self” as it has too many connotations of the ‘person’, of ‘me’, ‘mine’, eg ‘my’ thoughts, ‘my’ feelings, ‘my’ past etc. etc., as if that little ‘self’ is going to ‘achieve’ something altogether greater, which even I can see is rather preposterous! It ultimately doesn’t amount to anything much, in this context anyway. (You shhhhurrely don’t mean THAT ‘self’, Vartan. I mean, you have done an Enlightenment Intensive, haven’t you – shhhhhurrrely?!).
Perhaps less misleading just to say ‘there is nothing ultimately real outside’, “The Kingdom of God is within” and “In my Father’s House there are many mansions” – level after level after level….
Fully awakened being?
SD, are you pointing towards the South Indian Amma; i mean your favourate Amma out of other a dozen.
Shantam, you should discover such things for yourself, especially as in Germany you have that very opportunity and as such you’re really very fortunate.
Apart from saying that, I’m not about to ‘cast my pearls before swine’.
Now, how about wandering off and finding multiple sex partners this week? Vartan knows what’s good for you….
I am really fortunate that i am in Germany and Satya Deva´s spiritual mentor is also in Germany. I just need to go and find out.
Find out what?
That food price in the Aldi of that area are different, that their is no horse meat in my Doner Kebab!
Once Banta´s son Chinta started nagging his father, ” Papa Papa, please break your leg or your arm.”
Banta was angry but still ask patiently, “Why you are saying like this?
” There is a new doctor in our locality. He has given me a choclate today. He is a nice man and also bone specialist. We need to support him in his work.”, Chinta said with compassion in the voice.
Well, Shantam, what I’m saying to you is simply that talking from actual experience is far more convincing than coming from utter ignorance.
As you know nothing of the matter, you magnify your foolishness – most laughably – by saying anything at all.
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Who is ignorant, who is wise?
It all depends upon the equation of need in proportion to other person´s authority.
No, Shantam, in the first instance it depends how much you actually know about the matter or individual in question. You know nothing, therefore any remarks you make about it are, by definition, ignorant and therefore worthless.
SD, With due respect to the sanccity of your adoration for Ms. Meera; many of us need someone real or areal to hold unto. It is human.
What makes me sarcastic is the used of adjectives like Fully awakened, fully realised, Fully enlightend kind of terms for some individuals we adore. More or less it is perception and not reality.
Horse of one cannot be a donkey for others, but fully awakened of one can be not so awakened for many others..
Who mentioned “adoration”? As I said, it would help if you actually knew what you’re talking about, Shantam. If you have to comment, do some research, check your facts! Then perhaps you wouldn’t feel quite the same apparent need to make the sort of gratuitously ignorant, patronising remarks that appear in your first paragraph.
As for who’s “realised”, “fully realised”, “enlightened”, “fully enlightened”, “awakened”, “fully awakened”, “half-awake”, “asleep”, “fully asleep”, or “fully asleep and snoring”, I’m afraid I must declare that I personally place you in the last category. Sorry, but I’m the ‘God of Truth’ so I know all about such matters.
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Shantam and Satyadeva home movie….After a failure to spit into their hands and to exchange a trusting handshake, prevents these two gypsy travelling seekers from settling a deal and a price on a real woman with large chu chus and hairy bazongas under the arms. Later the sound of Satyadeva on his old Indian squeeze box , singing the praises of consciousness to the great goddess could be heard from Sannyas News Shrine room…..
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Perhaps you might find this little ditty conducive to a spot of self-reflection, Mr Martyn…
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I was something of a fan of Ivor Cutler from age 17, when I first heard him on the radio. At that age I even wrote him an attempt at a humorous letter, to which he responded…
Then, well over two decades later, while working as a Christmas postman in London, I delivered his mail and one day he came to the door and took it from me. He looked well and happy, far more robust than in these clips.
As for the Tea koan…
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excellent… Satyadeva…
obviously he was wishing you more of the same through the ethers via me , sannyas news, you tube and discussions on truth with Mr Shantam
what a marvellous story.. nice to be ‘ in tune…’
synchronicitea anyone…..
And now for something extremely serious…
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