Are the words “Osho Guidelines” just a mask for those in power?

Osho Guidelines…what are they?

Shantam Asks

Let it be clear, for centuries to come, Osho Pune property will remain
in existence as the main seat of Osho´s work.
Surely, there will be chairman/CEO/Trustee/head priest/ nummero uno to
decide the day to day working and roll out the policy decisions, and
that too all in the name of Osho guidelines.
What are these Osho guidelines? If the first generation disciples who
have lived in His presence, have heard Him with their ears are unable
to recall what these guidelines are, how come few decades from Now
some chosen few will be able to repeat them like parrots.
Question is whether Parrot will speak the language of Osho or of Jayesh-Amrito?

Discussion is needed.
This amateur video below with low quality sound synchronicity created by me
is more than a symbolical gesture. It is the heart cry of a loving disciple.
I think it should be a common practice on the path of truth to distinguish
what is counterfeit and what is real.
Deceptions do occur?
Question is,  who gains out of this?
What is the motive, sincere or timid..
Disciples have a legitimate right to know, what were Osho’s guidelines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWFmFL0rAvM

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60 Responses to Are the words “Osho Guidelines” just a mask for those in power?

  1. Parmartha says:

    Shantam, your link does not work. please check it and re-post the correct link. Thank you.

  2. Lokesh says:

    For a start the link does not work. Is that supposed to be symbolic?
    ‘For centuries to come!’ Listen, Shantam, I don’t know if I rank in first generation or second generation of disciples and to be honest I don’t give a damn abut such rubbish. I saw people who were touched deeply by Osho in a few seconds and others who spent years round him remain the same fools they’ve always been.
    Osho was not too much concerned about the future, let alone what will be going on centuries from now. Fundamental to his teaching was the idea of living in this very moment, because the next moment is uncertain, so why be bothered about it? It was and still is about living today because tomorrow never comes. Therefore, if you are looking for guidelines there you have it. End of story.
    You think you are doing Osho’s work or some such bullshit. In fact you are the anti-thesis of what sannyas was founded on…the principles of living without fear or guilt, dropping the past, dropping the future and dropping our mind trips by living now. Dropping the future is what you need to look at in regard to this completely absurd nonsense you’ve just posted. ‘Centuries to come’, does not compute in relation to sannyas.
    Here is a link that does work. Listen to what the man says, instead of giving your life substance by battling with windmills. I suggest that it might be a good meditation for you to change your name to Swami Don Quixote of La Mancha.
    http://soundcloud.com/luke-mitchell/osho-tommorow-never-comes

  3. shantam prem says:

    If Ramana Ashram or Aurbindo Ashram or Mehar baba ashram, the spiritual deities of free floating westerns can survive with the time, why not Osho Ashram?
    It is here for real, whether court cases or inner conflicts. Vast property worth approximately One Billion US Dollars is an Oasis in the middle of a city is managed chic and clean by few dedicated disciples from around the world under the chairmanship of master puppeteer Jayesh. Name sounds Indian but the main is perfect Irish Canadian Gentleman.
    Definitely it will piss off those ex disciples who felt pissed off decades ago, when Osho went for empire building instead of being a Kiosk holder, who knows the names of all those customers who come daily to buy newspaper, Haribo and pack of ciggies.
    Many of such disillusioned customers had found in the past, a new kiosk in Lucknow. At present, who is doing such retail business, i have no idea, so cann´t give the tip.
    Through this article, i am not speaking about the teachings but the political issues involved. It is not about Bible but about the first amendment of US constitution.
    It is not my business to break my head with those walls who think Here and Now does not involve Political science, Laws of legacy and general corporate ethics.

    May be future masters will create two set of religious structures. One for the university dropouts and another for graduates!

  4. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, here’s one for you.
    ‘Don’t be worried about the future. It will take care of itself.’
    Ramana.
    What makes a master’s message continue after they left this world is its content of truth and its capacity to affect people’s lives in a good way. Nothing more is needed.
    Take Lao Tzu as an example. No church, no organization to promote him, yet today more people read the Tao Te Ching than ever before.

  5. shantam prem says:

    If reading holy texts is spirituality, watching porn is Love.
    Maha(non)rishi Shantam

    ‘Don’t be worried about the future. It will take care of itself.’
    Ramana.
    It shows, during Ramana´s time there was not universal health insurrance. It also shows, Insurrance industry was not developed by the Indians..
    Lokesh, do you have property insuurance or for your car or health?

    • Lokesh says:

      Shantam, dropping worrying about the future does not mean that you don’t take care of business today.
      You open with the following statement, ‘Let it be clear, for centuries to come, Osho Pune property will remain
      in existence as the main seat of Osho´s work.’ Do you have a crystal ball? You don’t know what is going to happen next week let alone in the centuries to come. You are also completely caught up in externals. I’ve said it before to you but just for the record I’ll say it again, in a slightly different way.
      It is one of our jobs to give meaning to our lives. We all have our particular ways of doing that. In your case you give substance and meaning to your life by fighting enemies that you have created yourself. You are self righteous about it to the point that you probably believe that there is something spiritual about your campaign. There isn’t. You come across like a buffoon. To me it appears that you actually did not really get in touch with anything of real value due to what limited contact you had with Osho. You speak about, ‘the main seat of Osho´s work.’ and believe that has something to do with a geographical location. It does not. The real seat of any real master’s work is in people’s hearts. I think your biggest crime is that you are not particularly bright and yet your stubborness makes you persist with topics like the above which, if anything, are pretty boring and totally lacking in inspirational content.

  6. bodhi vartan says:

    eckhart says:
    LAST MESSAGE

    Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out. Come back when you are better.

  7. shantam prem says:

    Be like lotus in the mud…
    Be like lotus in the mud..
    Be like lotus in the mud…

    To hear this again and again..mud also started thinking, yes i am lotus in the mud. This is the dilemma of spiritual readings without the refinement process of Monasteries, sanghas and communes.
    As i have read somewhere, sand particle play significant role in the making of memory chips, and also to create mud.
    Dear Lotus!

  8. nothingness says:

    eckhart has really taken class of Lokesh and Satyadev. Both pretenders are naked now. Both scrambled eggheads have totally wasted time and energy on virtual board. Both are quarrelling like slum boys. You can run , you can hide but you cant escape nothingness. Be witness and stop verbal diarrhea of garbage intelligence. Think about wisdom if you have any brain left.

  9. bodhi vartan says:

    Shantam Asks:
    > Disciples have a legitimate right to know, what were Osho’s guidelines?

    I can see that this question is bothering you. Why so? Don’t you any longer feel guided by Him? His guidelines are in his books. Everything he wanted us to know came from the podium (or in his case, the chair).

    As you guys are going on about sannyas in the future I thought to take a peek into …

    25th Century Sannyas

    In the year 2525 if man is still alive the sannyasins to be will be strapped into the Osho Machine and over a 24 hour period all 650+ of Osho’s books will be downloaded into their consciousness.
    Not my pic: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/abraxas/OshoMachine_zps9221ad66.jpg

    And then for further 24 hours they will be strapped to another machine which will fine tune the musculature through all of Osho’s active meditations … and print a certificate of enlightenment at the end.
    Not my pic: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/abraxas/machine_zpsd306d444.jpg

  10. shantam prem says:

    ‘Let it be clear, for centuries to come, Osho Pune property will remain
    in existence as the main seat of Osho´s work.’ Do you have a crystal ball? You don’t know what is going to happen next week let alone in the centuries to come.
    Mr. Lokesh the non mediocre among the mediocre!
    There is something called common sense. A rare commodity. When one has a bit of this, there is no need of crystal ball.
    No one can say whether i, you or we will survive next week or Mr. Cameron or Mr. Obama. Heart attacks, brain haemorrhage and accidents can always come as surprise even when all the check and controls are done regularly.
    Keeping in mind this common sense, let me say again..
    ‘Let it be clear, for centuries to come, Osho Pune property will remain
    in existence as the main seat of Osho´s work, the way White House will be presidential seat in USA, 10 Drowning street for British PM.
    Similarly 7, Race Course Road (officially: Panchavati and also 7, RCR) is the official residence and principal workplace of the Prime Minister of India.
    To read this, someone wise like Lokesh can say, ” So what? Real India lives in her villages!”
    Am i denying it?
    If people claiming to have inner wisdom show also a bit of common sense, life will be much much better on the earth as it is till now.

  11. nothingness says:

    Zen is an effort to become alert and awake. both scrambled egghead ..gandhooLokka and ZatyaDeb looks extremely tired now. cont. wasting yr time and energy. lot of fun. i will not go for lengthy verbal diaeehea and waste energy n time that too on this foolish foul eggs. compulsive and obsessive reactions … no other option. chammon surrender to gandhoo.

    • bodhi vartan says:

      nothingness says:
      Zen is an effort to become …

      Zen is not an effort. Zen is foregoing the state of becoming in order to be.

      • prem martyn says:

        If the four of you are going , lets get a taxi and make it a night out.. i’ve always enjoyed linking the ending of narrative to the ending of identity and self … will there be drinks, and is there a future ?
        cheers …

        ps remember do as i say not as i do, as i do what i say only if you say osho says so.

  12. Zebra Crossing says:

    When the student is ready…

    the teacher appears!

  13. babasvetlana says:

    speak for yourself.. the biggest dope on here.. along with SD(ickless)

  14. nothingness says:

    OSHO and Krishna
    Foolish game has started. Many PePOLE and groups on facebook has started worshipping old buoy blindly. Many ashram have started ordering sculpture of old buoy. Soon they will built temple, choose quotes and books which are comfortable for them , serious commandments and will forget notorious , funny , happy , contradictory , non serious, nothingness OSHO. Same thing happened with Krishna. Many PePOLE worship only child Krishna as that is comfortable and they dont able to tolerate funny and notorious adult Krishna and not understand multidimensional nothingness of Krishna. Nothingness has created internet and PePOLE like UG as antidote to hit OSHO fanatics hard. Power of Nothingness … Just Witness.

    ZEN
    Effortless Effort
    Zen is paradoxical because Zen is not a philosophy. Zen is not concerned about what life is, Zen is concerned that whatsoever is should be reflected as it is. One should not choose, because the moment you choose it becomes untrue. Choice brings untruth. Don’t choose, remain choiceless — and you remain true. Drop all concepts.

    • nothingness says:

      Lao Tzu
      Stay low, speak softly, and remain humble -
      and let others be in control of their lives as much as is humanly possible.By seeing yourself as the all-receiving sea, you remove your ego from the picture : Lao Tzu’s 66th Tao Te Ching verse.
      No one should feel the heaviness of your directions or be hurt by your instructions.
      * IN SOME SITUATION IT WILL WORK AND IN SOME SITUATION IT WILL NOT WORK.

  15. Lokesh says:

    Baba, you come across as someone who has a major chip on his shoulder. Me? A loser? Fine, only losers win in this game. XXX

  16. nothingness says:

    Melodious Music …. Poetry…Fun… LOVE… Silence .. Nothingness & Witness
    http://radiohindi.osho.com/ ( Both in English & Hindi )

  17. prem martyn says:

    The editors here at SunDeck News wish to inform that following recent long and lengthy diatribes and exchanges, many readers (mostly Frank and his non-expletive relatives) have written in to complain about the language used, the intent to offend, the offence to intend to offend, and lastly no offence intended and none taken because actually the person concerned has just popped out of the office.

    Sunwashed News Politely informs its readership and all who sail in her, that as of today, only the folowing insults will be permitted under code :U2r1 and U2Kdb1 , Section: metaphysical and none too physical foam sponge and word bashing.

    Further we have no regrets in ensuring that our readers benefit from the sort of light jesting available at any grand Boy Scouts tournament circa 1954..
    The insults will therefore be regulated as follows ( courtesy of the publishers , Rue de Remarques, Paris)
    ……
    …I say that’s a wizard wheeze, you cunning japer.

    ….You blithering tuppence ha’penny.

    …..I say constable, that’s a daft stunt you old conniver.

    …..You silly billyio.

    …..What a load of balderdash.

    ….You are a blinding bounder and a cad sir.

    I say you really are a rotter and a scoundrel, how absolutely riveting.(Terry Thomas copyright)

    and finally … Howzattt , clean bowled.!

    Further all insulting type comment types will now be regulated forthwith in a new type, and even fithwith a la pickwick papers by a newly appointed news regulating authority by the renowned the so-called
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    The management sincerely apologise to those who have previously considered that this website was run by erry Dharmy Parmy Barmy Springer for the benefit of taunting, jousting, jesting and simple media-evil frolicking under the misshapen ruse of welcoming all and sundry-asses.

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  18. frank says:

    did anyone see the times of london on wednesday?(i spotted it whilst taking tea in my gentlemens club)
    there was an article about the shenanigans at the resort with the headline…
    “sex gurus followers fall out of love over money wrangle…”
    embarrassing or what?
    free love,93 rolls royces,drug smuggling,prostitution,bio-terror attacks….
    hey..some of that was a lot of fun….
    but a bunch of lawyers arguing about the ownership of a car park?
    man,things have really hit rock bottom!

    osho car parks international
    versus
    osho overweight neo-hindus local panchayat ?

    thrilling, i must say.

    sex gurus disciples do seem to like a good scrap and a bit of rough and tumble,and if they`re not dragging each other thru the courts in the name of love,they`re vociferously questioning each others psychological and anal integrity..

    but,hey…it`s burns night tonight.
    even the scots can manage to lay off knocking six sorts of shit out of each other for a few hours….
    come on guys….
    some music,maybe…
    heres a classic scottish tune

    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

    • prem martyn says:

      Frank a lot of people have been accusing others of having at least one of their brains in the rectoid analis
      this is close but in fact incorrect..

      my doctor had a good look and discovered
      it is in fact here….
      http://www.psyking.net/id36.htm

      • frank says:

        martyn…its true ,but for a variety of reasons, including too much crystal meth and jack daniels or over-exposure to dubious teachings by shag-crazy `tantric masters`coming from down-under, can cause the gut brain to slip down a few inches thus triggering an attack of what we,in the medical profession, call :catharsis outburstis analis excrementosis religiosis…

      • nothingness says:

        Marty Zebra ( Madagascar ) n frankie burger has indirectly and very cunningly taken part in accusing. So what they writes is first apply to them. See the mirror. They are pretending like great holier than COW.. bullshit. Both foolish scrambled eggheads SD(ickless) and gandhooLokkaa are totally tired and exhausted.. no steam left. There is already peace on board and now zebra n frankie jumps out like scavangers.
        Be silent … surrender to nothingness. U can run , u can hide but u cant escape nothingness.

    • alokjohn says:

      I saw it. Apart from the headline and the description of kundalini, most of it was accurate. The Times seems to have an annual article about Pune in January (maybe readers like to think about going somewhere warm then :) )

  19. prem martyn says:

    hi parmartha,
    I just saw your link for that documentary, it’s the same one i posted over a year ago, and also again just a few weeks back. It looks like the original hosting site, where it was viewable for a fee does not host the film anymore.. whether it was removed out of pressure or choice one can only guess..
    Anyway there is the full length version here albeit in spanish with spanish subs by clicking on one of the you tube options icons.

    I have found torrentz links by following Franks suggestions also.
    & I have deleted my account on the c’serai as the resident alcoholic has started on the oven cleaner for his kicks.

    so scusi scusi signor…
    enjoya…

  20. shantam prem says:

    if all the books in the name of Buddha disappear from earth i won´t miss. Take Holy bible also away, who cares.
    May be life can give a chance to have the same mileu, same life style what Buddha was living, what Jesus was living with their people.
    May be it is not possible. Thousands of years is a long time. We don´t have even a photograph of life and time of these two giants.
    But with Osho…it is possible..
    Here too, i will say if all the hundreds of books are buried it won´t be a big losss but not the life and times and vibes of Osho with His people..

    • Lokesh says:

      Shantam, there is no real connection between Osho and Buddha and JC. That’s a fantasy. Could you please explain what it is that you see that links Buddha and Christ to Osho. Afterall, Siddhartha renounced worldly things on his search for enlightenment and JC kicked the moneychangers out of the temple. Osho did quite the opposite. And so it goes right down the line. Yet you continuously bring in Buddha and JC in relation t Osho on one level or another.
      What you fail to see is that Osho was one of many Indian gurus who played on the internatinal stage, although others were more famous. Osho was more on the notorious side of thngs. Why not let your relationship with Osho be a personal one instead of believing you need to conquer the world. Isn’t it said that the real warrior conquers himself?

  21. nothingness says:

    Melodious Music …. Poetry…Fun… LOVE… Silence .. Nothingness & Witness
    http://radiohindi.osho.com/ ( Both in English & Hindi )

    About 1600 years ago, an acharya quoted the shortest upanishad (12 verses only) Mundukya in existent and said in his Karika that the honest truth is that there is no creation, no you, no me and we are all characters in a dream. Just as a dream is not a dream for a dreamer in a dream, we too also do not know that we are in this waking state dream. We will know when we wake up!! This world is an illusion.No God, no moksha, no Karma, no rebirth……….
    Aum in the Mandukya Upanishad
    There are three mātrās (“letters”, syllabic instants in prosody) in the word aum : ‘a’, ‘u’ and ‘m’. The ‘a’ stands for the state of wakefulness, where we experience externally through our mind and sense organs. The ‘u’ stands for the dream state, in which inward experiences are available. In the state of deep sleep, represented by the sound ‘m’, there is no desire and consciousness is gathered in upon itself. But there is a fourth, transcendent state, which is “neither inward-turned nor outward-turned consciousness, nor the two together; not an indifferentiated mass of consciousness; neither knowing, nor unknowing; invisible, ineffable, intangible, devoid of characteristics, inconceivable, indefinable, its sole essence being the consciousness of its own Self; the coming to rest of all relative existence; utterly quiet; peaceful; blissful: without a second: this is the Ātman, (Witness Nothingness) the Self; this is to be realised.”

  22. shantam prem says:

    “…there is no real connection between Osho and Buddha and JC. That’s a fantasy.”
    I agree.
    Buddha and Jesus Christ did not get disciples like us!

  23. shantam prem says:

    “…there is no real connection between Osho and Buddha and JC. That’s a fantasy.”
    I agree.
    Buddha and Jesus Christ did not get disciples like us!
    Lokesh says:
    Shantam, that is simply not true.

    Why it is not true?
    Every coin has alteast two sides!

  24. Mahakala says:

    The formula “Know Thyself” is, in this respect, full off the profoundest meaning: it is one of the symbols of the knowledge of truth. By becoming acquainted with the symbols expressing the laws of creation, man will learn the laws themselves, and by learning these in himself he treads the path of self-knowledge, and in this sense every symbol teaches us about ourselves. By learning to distinguish the laws of evolution and involution, synthesis and analysis, yes and no, good and evil, energy and matter, forward and retrograde movements, man will also discern the reciprocal action of these laws.

    He will learn the great laws known to the ancient wisdom, the laws of the binary and ternary as applied to the cosmos and to oneself. By binding them together, and enclosing them within the circle of eternity, and their manifestations within the circles of recurrences and cycles that happen according to law, within (the circle) of the spring of eternity on the plane of our own time, within the circle of eternal vibration and of the struggle with oneself on the path to self-knowledge, he with his whole being, step by step traverses the path of construction in himself of the great symbol which has come down to us under the name of “Solomon’s Seal”.

    What I have just said shows how difficult it is to convert the language of symbols into our own language, how little purpose there is in interpreting the symbol to a man who has not attained to an understanding of it. And however strange it may be, the fact remains that the sense of the symbol, the discovery of its nature, can only be given to, and received by, him who previously knew already, and for him the symbol will be the synthesis of his knowledge, the same formula for the expression of knowledge as it was to him who constructed it. Will a man unacquainted with this system of symbols understand a great deal if he is told that the knowledge of unity by the means of self-knowledge and self-perfection for man is the neutralization of the binary by the ternary and its transmutation into the quaternary in order to close the pentagram and realize the “Seal of Solomon”?

    Symbols, transposed into the words of our language, and handed down in those words, harden into a filament, they tarnish and may give rise to fatal errors in people who do not understand the symbols or understand them literally. Truth gets encased in a shell of error, and to enable the approacher to get near to it a great effort is required on his part. What monstrous errors have arisen from the symbols of alchemy, particularly of magic, in those people who, literally and one-sidedly, without possessing the all comprehensive knowledge of unity, adopted its symbols! The symbol is a barricade against words, it delves into the thing, taken by itself, and taken in its own reality. A knowledge of the symbol leaves no room for dispute, it deepens the understanding which does not remain merely theoretical, but presses on to the real result of being able to do, to the result of knowing and being, to the realization of great doing.

    Pure knowledge is not transferable, and by being expressed in words, is veiled by them, but whoever wishes and is able to see this veil, will find it transparent. And in this sense it is possible to speak of the symbolism of speech, but it is not everyone who can understand even merely this symbolism. To understand the spoken inner meaning of the thought and its spirit is possible only at a certain stage of development and with an effort on the part of the hearer. In those cases where a person is simply disputing in the ordinary sense of the words, by merely contending for his own opinion, he wastes his time in vain without acquiring anything new. In order to be able to understand speech when it is used symbolically, it is first of all necessary to learn and to be able to listen. In cases of profound knowledge, any attempt at understanding literally is foredoomed to failure, and, at best, will yield nothing, and, less favorably, may lead to error and absurdity.

    • Lokesh says:

      Mahakala…big name for a pea brain.

      • Mahakala says:

        Nice reflexes.

      • Preetam says:

        A little break from my daily treatment.

        Lokesh basically it’s you who advice up on western mystic. And so far my understanding goes what Mahakala speaks of here, is western mystic. It sounds of the Hermetic symbolism teaching, by the “seal of Salomon”. What to me has become evil by bringing it from the inside where the real temple is placed, to the outside as a symbol, by symbolizing the temple of Salomon at the outside is the cause of all wars and hostility. Original it is Toth’s teaching about the inner knowledge of immortality? But seems misused for Leadership of so called royalties, that why it is kept secret and special, not understandable for normal working people and not brought closed to the whole of humanity, by lower interest.

        • Lokesh says:

          Yes, Preetam, that is probably so. Thing is, Mahanignog probably copy and pasted his comment from his collection of mouldy old esoteric books that he keeps in his damp basement, where he also stores a punctured inflattable lovedoll and a sperm-stained foam matrass.

    • bodhi vartan says:

      Mahakala says:
      The formula “Know Thyself” is,

      … in your case irrelevant.

      • Mahakala says:

        And why is that? Please explain why I am a lost cause, o great guru.. I value your omniscient wisdom above all others! You are the shiny beacon of purity and ultimate truth! Everything you say is like golden shit, dripping from a holy cow’s ass.

  25. shantam prem says:

    “Every time i analyse myself, with closed eyes or open, it becomes always clear, how right i am .”
    This is the tragic comedy of the well learned seekers, how so ever small font they may use for their small i, mostly it sounds with capital I.

  26. shantam prem says:

    Prophacy or wish full thinking or the wiring defect has landed the dreamliner after the maidan trial flight?
    If there is some sannyas alive..it is on facebook!
    wow!

    ” ..AND SOON MANY WILL BE COMING, and you will become the precedent; you will become the pattern of what will happen to them. Soon many will be coming, in thousands. Before they start coming, YOU HAVE TO PREPARE THE ORCHESTRA — otherwise there will be a great noise….

    I am working slowly. SLOWLY I AM ADDING MORE PEOPLE TO YOUR COMMUNE. Soon there will be thousands. I want to create a small city, sooner or later, where people will be living totally egolessly. And the more people there will be, the greater is the possibility for happenings, for miracles — because God will be more available, the sky will come more close to you….

    This is happening. And this is going to happen more and more. Be prepared for it! ”

    ~ OSHO, Sufis: The People of the Path, Vol 2, Ch # 10: Out of the mud and the mire
    # am in Buddha Hall

    • bodhi vartan says:

      shantam prem says:
      >> This is happening. And this is going to happen more and more. Be prepared for it!

      You are ‘out of date’ mate. That was said back in the ’70s and about as useful today as a bicycle to a fish.

      >>If there is some sannyas alive..it is on facebook!
      >> wow!

      I don’t do facebook. Tell me what I am missing, please. I don’t think you can do much with online-only. It has to be done on a geographical basis and the online facility is nothing more than a tool for jumping borders. Also it has to be done on a self-interest basis as I cannot see many today being motivated by compassion alone. It’s a different game to the one that was being played when He was around. And simpler too. Today, as long as you please the ones who come, the rest will follow.

  27. shantam prem says:

    This is happening. And this is going to happen more and more. Be prepared for it!

    You are ‘out of date’ mate. That was said back in the ’70s and about as useful today as a bicycle to a fish.

    Vartan, the sentence above is not for me, it is from your master. I have only the preface.
    Brands die with time. Tragedy is when the management has spend Millions in brand promotion.
    Brand die..management stay..this is possible only with Osho sannyas Inc.

    • bodhi vartan says:

      shantam prem says:
      >> Vartan, the sentence above is not for me, it is from your master. I have only the preface.
      Brands die with time. Tragedy is when the management has spend Millions in brand promotion.
      Brand die..management stay..this is possible only with Osho sannyas Inc.

      I wouldn’t trust Osho with matters other than those of the inner journey. The outer changes constantly and you will end up holding a map that will not represent the territory. I am not sure what you are after … you seem to be still fighting “the management” … I thought we agreed that you have lost that battle due to the fact that you have not managed (boom boom) to get any following to your ideas.

      Chill out. There is a Zeitgeist in the air. Trust it.

  28. shantam prem says:

    It will break many hearts, if one day it becomes obvious, so called inner journey is also an hoax!

  29. shantam prem says:

    The journey is not a hoax but the arrival is…
    Good point Vartan…

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