OSHO’S SAMADHI NEVER EXISTED IN PUNE RESORT !!!
from Dhyan Raj
RECENT Updates of court case re Osho Commune, Pune :
1- On 17th July 2012 Swami Mukesh appeared on behalf of all the trustees (Osho International Foundation) in the court. And stated that, there was never a structure of Osho’s Samadhi on the premises!
2- The Advocate of Swami Yogendra- Darcy O’Byrne appeared in the court saying that he is not residing at Osho Commune, 17, Koregaon Park, Pune; and he is not connected to the management! Further, he stated that he came to know about this case very recently! He asked for more time from the court. The next date for the case is on 25th July 2012.
3- So far Jayesh and Amrito have not made any appearance in the Court.
4) Land status: The parking land has been gifted to an anonymous “Darshan Trust” and there is an application for gifting sanai land by OIF to the charity commissioners. Opponets of OIF claim that nothing can be furthered re these lands until the Court case is settled. .
Opponents call for discussion on their following three points:
1. That everyone is allowed to enter the Commune and there is no more banning.
2. The entry price is rs.100 for everyone
3.A ban is placed on illegal selling/gifting/mortgaging of commune property.
Well what do you say SN bloggers!
It’s probably curtains for Jack the Ripper, then….
It seems editors of SannyasNews have stolen the main photo from the sets of some Hindi movie?
No, there was never any Samadhi.
Dogs can lick the feet after getting some boney meat but even they will not agree that sun rises from the west and sets in the east.
Human beings have the capacity and nerve to prove anything, if there is a backing of strong legal team.
These guys at Pune have taken sannyas to the new Height where chutzpah and silence merge quite gymnastically as 69!
My interest in such topics is next to zilch, because it bears absolutely no relevance to my life whatsoever. This is certainly a part of Osho’s legacy that I can do without. Osho’s legacy. What a joke…and a bad one at that. Doesn’t raise the slightest of smiles. Same old, same old nonsense with a mala round its neck, that might as well be a lead weight. What has any of this to do with the spirit of sannyas? Simple answer…nothing.
1. That everyone is allowed to enter the Commune and there is no more banning.
2. The entry price is rs.100 for everyone
GREAT! I like it.
No more banning: enlightened sannyasins finally would meet again in their primary school! What an exciting meeting! Then the championship for who has the biggest enlightement would begin! We want Frank and Lokesh on the main jury.
Then catholic sannyasins would have the opportunity to meet the protestant ones, an holy war may start inside the property, finally closing the circle! Young sannyasins are needed to pull the wheelchairs against each other. Bump!
Buddham Sharanam gachami
Sangham Sharanham Gachami
Dharmam Sharanam Gachami
My connection to the Master is my journey,
My connection to the commune is reflection and facing my shit.
My connection to existence is both all and nothing.
I have to watch my own power game.
I will run the commune for One day, do dynamic in the morning, sack everybody, then sack myself.
Do Kundalini, then celebrate with White Robe.
I think many of truth seekers are so busy in their preparation for “Ready to cook Truth meals” that issue regarding power, control and management of multitutde of people and interests simply does not come in their brain.
The continuous saga of Osho Pune is a simple reminder that meditators are good to live on the border line of society, and therefore they have no right to criticise any kind of priests and politicians because in the similar circumstances, they simply burn their eggs!
Just doing meditation does not mean one becomes expert in human and natural resources.
“Just doing meditation does not mean one becomes expert in human and natural resources.”
One might also add that the same might well apply to ‘just being a Master’…Just look at the evidence….
exactly
If the Resort wins, the bans remain legal until yet another challenge.
If they lose, then those who are banned can buy a ticket along with anyone else and enter the Resort property.
The noisy ones who have been banned include those trading under the Osho name in their own right without paying kickbacks to OIF etc. The Resort and its shell companies has sought to copyright or patent the Osho brand name, unsuccessfully and questionably in some cases, records of when that has happened can easily found on the net.
I’m not arsed one way or t’other, never been banned, never wanted to visit. Wish every success to the Resort and also those independents trading using Osho name in one way or another. The Resort is simply acting as any business with money to pay lawyers does in protecting what it wishes to be its monopoly. But for those who are banned at present and do want to go to the Resort then I hope this litigant is successful. Indian civil cases can drag on for years so let’s hope this one bucks the trend with a speedy resolution.
As someone who makes part of his income via OshoZen Card readings I’m on the side of freedom to use the name, but I would be. Others who make a nice living out of the Resort ‘official’ Osho brand etc. are bound to feel differently.
You go down Koregaon Park Road and the muslim trader tourist shops all sell cut-price robes, knock off Chinese manufactured Osho malas and all sorts of spiffy Osho-related merchandise with more choice on offer and at at a fraction of the cost to what the Resort charges. But they all pay cash kickbacks to Resort nabobs so are left alone.
Anyone wanting to stock up on Osho merchandise buys wholesale on the road and gives the Resort a wide berth.
Burn their eggs! Well at least they have eggs to burn. Dirty white-skins are doing dirty fry-up and CEO’s have had their chips. Cholesterol levels are rising and clogging arteries in global take-away. I ask you, where is the glory of Osho’s legacy? Sitting gathering dust on the mantlepiece, surrounded by plastic flowers of weekend babyboomers, who think one-way ticket to Poona will tell all about India’s great heritage. We have to rise up against whisky-drinking barbarian white-skin unsurper and demand our right to worship pile of dead ashes. Is this how Christians worship holey avatar Jesus of Nazareth? Baby born in barn is now worshipped daily by millions. Why can’t we worship our beloved master’s holey remains? Because unbelievers raise cross on temple of temple of master of masters and throw empty whiskey bottles at true believers storming gateless gate. Tommorow belongs to us, the inheritors of true Osho legacy.
100 rupees is a bloody good deal for a trip to the circus with a bit of pantomime thrown in……….
Feel the Barnum and Bhagwan effect for yourself…
Thrill to the performing monkeys in their robes battling for bananas as they race around on their high horses…
Chuckle at the world’s greatest relig-idiots and buffoons as they launch abuse and hurl custard pies into each other’s original faces in the name of egolessness and enlightenment…!
And every time a clown whacks another clown, the lawyers send in the bill from Malabar Heights–what an act!
I`ve never seen lawyers laugh so much.
Be amazed as magicians show you the world’s first disappearing samadhi-cum-dental surgery…
“There never was a Samadhi”.
“Oh yes there was”.
“Oh no there wasn’t”.
“Oh yes there was…”
“Oh no there wasn`t”.
It’s classic stuff…
And suitable for all mental ages up to about 8…
Be astonished by jugglers on each side of the ring juggling Osho’s words back and forth to justify anything they like….it’s dizzying…
And be sure to stay till the end and find out what we all want to know…
Where has Jack the Ripper hidden the ashes…?
He`s behind you, he`s behind you…….
BREAKING NEWS.
Amrito apparently just stepped into the witness stand in court, apparently a bit worse for wear.
He promptly turned his back on the prosecution,
lowered his chuddies and mooned at his opponents with his shiny white gluteals,shouting,
“i`ll give you something to kiss,you bloody marble kissers!”
The case continues….
Frank in his chuddies.
http://digitalnal.com/i-dont-really-have-a-clever-title-for-this-55.html
ahahahah!
Just a thought experiment.
Those who have run the place since Osho died and before, suddenly decease, or suddenly quit. (If the latter it seems with very little thanks from some.)
Then the quarreling would really begin, and that imitation of Osho who calls himself Rajneesh at the fore claiming squatter’s rights I’d say. Shantam and others would find after a day of apparent good will, all the old political alliances, etc would kick in…. would be just a mess.
Like it or not Osho did leave the current guys in charge – so he at least judged their stickability well.
Parmartha,
Do you remember when Osho talked about Stalin in Pune 2?
How he was needed as a strongman to hold it all together, otherwise it would have been chaos in USSR?
He was probably talking about himself.
You are making a similar argument.
Once you have a dictator, it’s very difficult to kick the habit, as history shows. And when you do, it’s chaos…
Just think, you could wake up one morning to find out you are a member of a religion being run by Brian Rajneesh, Shantam and some hard-core neo-hindus…
That would make you drop your ego in a flash, I reckon….
By the skilful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
Adolf Hitler
It is utterly embarrasing to see what is happening nowadays with so called sannyas movement. the disciples of the iconoclast, the deconstructor of religious thought are fighting for a shrine to worship the man who set them free from religious thought….Monty Python could not have made it better…and they are going to court to demand their right to worship the man who taught them not to worship…groovy. I would not like to be in the skin of Amrito and Jayesh and them all. They might feel like in the movie ‘The Living Dead’, with the zombies surrounding the place craving for a place to express their religious feelings and adoration for the man who told them not to do so…Marble kissing zombies, bhajan singing zombies, kirtan dancing, devotional zombies.
Since when Osho´s work stopped being about waking up and became the right to worship him?
Who cares about Samadhi? Who cares about the pictures, or the devotional songs? Really…we seemed to be listening to a different Osho. Embarrasing….
You’ve said it all, Anthony.
Bravo.
Pity the morons can’t read.
By reading all your stories of the “old days” I’ve come to figure that it has always been like tha: there are the ones who get it and the ones who don’t.They may be stupid or “spiritually retarded”, but another reason could be that it’s just more comfortable to sit on the marble floor waiting for some enlightenment, and putting all the responsibility for your unhappiness outside of you. Let them play if they like it, it could be a good catharsis for all of them.
Embarrassing…the whole sannyas trip for me is to put yourself and others into embarrasing situations and to come out of it with a good laugh, transformed. So let them play…don’t repress anything!
Nice to see you here again Anthony.
Perfectly right. But the fact that there is such disarray I don’t consider such a bad thing. A feature of the “ordinary” mind I have found, having mixed with the English working-class a lot in my time is a failure to be impressed by charisma or so-called natural leadership of any sort. Buddhism divided into many sects after the death of Buddha, and even more disarray than neo-sannyas, but it has continued to prove for eons, in all its forms, of value to genuine seekers.
Oy! Parmarfa…
Too right, me old son,
that’s why the Delboy Lama wants to be reborn dahn Peckham, innit?
Gimme a good ol’ cockney mystic duckin` an divin` dahn the backstreets of nirvana over any of these flash `arry bigtime-charlie enlightened bankers any time…
Wot a load of old pony!
It is even more embarrassing for you that you stole word for word this comment from a sannyasin called Vikrant Sentis….posted on july 21 2012 at 2:59pm ET, on the Sannyas network on Facebook…
Don’t you have words of your own? You just copy and paste? This is ugly.
Could you make it clear to which post you are referring?
Give us the name of the poster and first line of the post.
You don’t want to be absolutely outraged on your own now, do you?
Dear Arjun. The post does belong to Vikrant, a fellow researcher from Chile, but I posted it with his permission. He showed me what he put in his facebook and I asked if I could re-post it in a forum, to which he agreed. I liked his post so much that I wanted to use it here…Yes, I admit they are not my words, but I feel absolutely represented by them. No need to be outraged…just arguing around ideas…to whom they belong does not matter in this context…Plus Vikrant did not seem to have any problem with it. In fact he told me that you had posted something here.
Cheers,
Anthony
More breaking news…
The Samadhi is being redecorated and soon to be re-launched as the
“Osho Steakhouse and Religions of the World theme-pub”.
Special offers…
Half-price quarter -pounders for all hindus.
Free bacon butty for all people of the book.
Free hookah pipe for all sikhs.
Brahmin lap-dancers, tuesdays,
Friday night is “beer and bhajans” night,
Saturday night is nude lsd kirtan night,
and sunday night is gay night.
Any male wearing just chuddies gets in free.
Desi dykes welcome….
Wow! I’m looking forward to go in! Brahmin lap-dancers must be a show worth a fly ticket……But only if there will be frank in just chuddies.
“Like it or not, Osho did leave the current guys in charge – so he at least judged their stickability well”.
Parmartha, have you heard the saying, ” Half truth is worst than the lie?”.
Osho has chosen 20 people, name by name, to work together for the day-to-day working of the place. The top two were surely nominated President and Vice President, but not more rights than the other 18.
Some time it is important to know the players and their feeders, who have their own agenda, to understand the complete picture, rest is like learning happy marriage through the movies of Tom Cruise.
Here’s something for you to consider, Shantam.
Let’s look at the people who post here and ponder on their interest in being part of the 21 at the ashram, taking the place of Amrito ETC.
Whoops. Nobody, apart from you!!!!!
Not one person would give up their lives, apart from you; to take
on any of those roles. Hmm!
Shantam,you seem to be an expert on the “21″.
I am not, and have no interest. But informants from the other side of the argument tell me there is still a management committee, and whenever an original member of the 21 deceased or left, then they were replaced.
Maybe you can tell us who they are?
Amrito is one of your pet hates. But he clearly survived (narrowly) a murder attempt by Sheela, as testified to in the American Courts. Could easily see that some would have thrown in the towel at that stage, and quite rightly, disappeared back into some self made life like Jayananda did.
Amrito did not do that. Now 27 years later he is still serving Osho, is he not?
But those 21 are not 21 any more, something around 5 are the ones who rule the house now, isn’t it?
Anyway, who are these 21 exactly is something I’ve never come to know exactly.
Maybe SannyasNews wants to pubblish the complete list,with names and a short description? Would be interesting (for me).
The original 21 from 1989, we can probably find through searching through historical sources. As we are busy right now, maybe Arpana could research for us?
The present committee – well, that is why I asked Shantam as he seems such an expert – I am afraid one doesn’t know that. But I suspect there is a list somewhere or other. One could even email the Resort and see if you get an answer.
According to Shantam, Ramarshi and some other contributors on SN,
the 21 are:
jack the ripper
general reginald dyer
general gordon
johnny walker
lord mountbatten
HRH queen elizabeth 2
darcy o`byrne
paddy o`byrne
ronan o`byrne
brendan o`byrne
davey o`byrne
aidan o`byrne
eamonn o`byrne
fergal o`byrne
kevin o`byrne
ronnie o`byrne
patrick o`byrne
mukesh macthugee
swami soprano
anand germanma
and
ma anand secretary
Fat Bob from Camberwell too, Frank.
Does satsang of a Friday.
Big shout on da resort firm since he offloaded them plastic malas on the punters.
Sweet little earner all round.
Cushti.
I want to serve the master till my last breath at the territory built by him, rest of you thousands, go meditate or serve anyone, anywhere else in the world.
My truth is here and now, 5 thousand miles away from my home, I wish all the best, you also find the home somewhere. But for Osho’s sake, leave this place..
I am the disciple, I am the doctor, I am the martyr, I am…I am….
(unwritten notes of a personal physician of an Indian guru)
I am, I am…..delusional?
Shantam said,
‘I am the martyr’.
Why does it not surprise me you call yourself that?
You do have a role here.
To remind us of the ugliness of sanctimonious egotism.
Lokesh, Arpana, Shantam was ‘quoting’ Amrito there (satire and all that!).
Oh dear, sorry about that (again). It’s just that I cannot resist taking potshots at Shantam. First of all, he asks for it…obviously did not have enough attention as a child. Secondly, Shantam is an incarnation of sannyas that is so mouldy that I wonder how on earth someone like him can be so delusional, because he voices so much that has so little to do with Osho, yet he somehow manages to believe it does.
Warp factor 8, Scotty.
The engines’ll no take it, captain.
Can I step in? To a world I love but I do not belong…however says I do not know because I am not a sannyasin… he is right…however, however, I have walked and stand along your path…
Fighting over energy, holy places, master´s energy is all but a way to anybody’ s awakening:
It is about memories, emotional memories, about “how good it used to be”…It is like “damed, the old guy decided to leave and left us all here naked, not quite knowing where to go”…”Let’s go to the samadhi…his energy is still there!!” “Wait…it is no longer a samadhi…it is a meditation room!! Shit—does anybody remember the podium? Let us go there, at least the bottom part is still standing…”
Absurd…The main message, in my understanding, was to be free from all that garbage…and the mental trappings of believing that there is something out there that will make the work for ourselves.
Lokesh is so fast to read and react, it is good. Before he becomes enlightened he will be already in the journey to beyond Enlightenment.
But he will not be alone, Arpana will be a good company.
People who cannot understand a simple satire, claim to understand Maharishi!
Amazing!
Arpana, you have directed this to me -
“Let’s look at the people who post here and ponder on their interest in being part of the 21 at the ashram, taking the place of Amrito ETC.
Whoops. Nobody, apart from you!!!!!
Not one person would give up their lives, apart from you; to take
on any of those roles. Hmm!”
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I agree, most of the people who are posting here or even reading this site would not like to be in that profitless position, to be in Osho’s inner circle or be any kind of functionary in their village, city or country; one of the reasons can be their socially dysfunctional mind, where I and I (Pvt.) Ltd does not know how to take others in the caravan.
And secondly, most of this lot have this basic desire to be one like Maharishi or Punjaji or Eckart Tolle: realised spiritual being, and they surely work very hard to achieve this stage.
How?
By having above named gentlemen’s books near their bed!
People with very political mind are those also, who hate all kind of politics!
A little contemplation -
Sitting in my Speedo
at a rock on a beach
looking at the horizon
and topless babes…
My being had a resolve:
If Ramana can be Maharishi…
Why can’t I?
Who Am I, why not I?
So wise about everybody else, but not even a trace of self-awareness.
Sinners repent! I always enjoyed Osho’s take on what to sin actually meant. According to him to sin means to be off target, to miss the target.
It is therefore that I say that Shantam is a great sinner, because he is so far off target it is almost unbelievable. For all his posturing over Osho’s legacy he seems to have learnt almost nothing of worth from the man.
We have all heard about how we go around projecting ourselves on others. Nothing new there. I cannot imagine a better example of this than Shantam’s above comment, which to me is a product of pure imagination. Take the following as a good example:
‘most of this lot have this basic desire to be one like Maharishi or Punjaji or Eckart Tolle: realised spiritual being, and they surely work very hard to achieve this stage. How? By having above named gentlemen’s books near their bed!’
What this statement shows to me is what a very dumbed down perspective Shantam is viewing life through. It might be a good idea for Shantam to drop the word enlightenment from his vocabulary. For a start, it is very old hat. It is also very clear to most of the commentators on SN that enlightenment is a golden carrot for donkey sannyasins and it is now generally perceived that enlightenment is not something that can be ‘got’. It would be perhaps not a bad idea for him to read some of those books he is imagining himself to be beyond needing to read. In all Shantam’s posts there is a general vibe that nobody but he really knows what is going on. Yet again, another symptom of the poor chap being utterly lost. Yet he manages to pretend that he is fighting to save Osho’s legacy and heritage. It could easily be viewed as tragic were it not for the fact that there is a sense of the absurdly comic in nearly everything he says. It is good to bear in mind that Shantam takes all this rubbish very seriously. We can be thankful he has no real power in the world because when fanatics like him get power in their clumsy hands they tend to become very destructive to themselves and others.
I suppose there is nobody who really wants to run the resort in Pune. It should be easy for anybody with a concrete concept, a certain crew behind him to get away with a drunkard who wants to sell therapy and meditation. Totally strange that this works and Amrito is not yet kicked out.
A concrete concept will be of more use to a civil engineering company than the Resort, which, from all the second-hand info I’ve read, sounds like it is lacking in some liquid transparency, not a cement and gravel mix. They already have that by the truckload, by most accounts.
Only watching from the distance: this seemed to be just the very course of the resort…
A spiritual commune where the grass is growing by itself and everything is o.k. as it happens, farewell!
There have been many communal projects after the breaking up of Rajneeshpuram; the path of being in THIS world (which is quite different than the world Osho was dwelling in in his body) and not being OF this world is just still searching its environment for a real depth as going in and an outer equivalent….
‘Being in the world, but not of it’ is an individual aspiration or a certain state of awareness, isn’t it, not really anything much to do with a commune?
Communes set up by spiritual teachers have never before had to withstand the scrutiny of millions, at any given time. The expectations of millions, at any given time, moving as fast as whispers round a small room fifty years ago, because of the internet..
Millions of opinions at any given time, all clamouring to win. Millions of people reacting to all the immediate, not so immediate opinions, running through the internet , like currents through an ocean (This one as well I suppose.)
Hallo,
Maybe worth checking their site and FAQs: http://oshowork.org/faq.html , perhaps someone can suggest some more points.
Yes…I agree that there is no Samadhi in Osho resort…and also Osho, he never existed…It’s just a hypothesis…that he existed….as it is said, “Never born, never died” on his grave stone…So how and why any kind of samadhi? And for who? This is just a resort where they don’t need any dead man walking…or his ghost followers…who still see and feel him around….
I was hit by a metaphorical avalanche on Tuesday morning, and as I sat stunned in the aftermath, in shock; a picture of Osho came into my imagination; and he leaned forward and touched my third eye, and that picture of him, smiling at me, is with me now, and usually is.
The trouble is with owning such an experience, I then have to deal with the fact I sound like a born-again christian.
Is this something we dont talk about. Isn’t just me, I’m sure. I
know I’m special, but not that special. (Bit of self-mockery, just for the record. I know, you know, I know some of you don’t know etc.. ) ((((((: