According to recent reports from Viha Connection magazine (West Coast, US) Devageet’s (Osho’s personal dentist’s) book, “Osho: The First Buddha in the Dental Chair” is about to be published by Sammasati publishing (Spring, 2013. Viha will be selling copies).
Devageet wrote this book in the nineties, after he left the “Inner Circle”. In 1999 he had email exchanges with Sannyasnews saying he was still seeking a publisher. It appeared, though he did not say so, that Osho International were not prepared to publish it.
For many, many years, those in charge of “Public Relaitons” around Osho seemed determined to bury the story about Osho’s use of nitrous oxide, usually with the unconvincing line that all the “sessions” were solely to do with his dental treatment. I always felt this was stretching credulity much too far. Some of the official commentators also said that there were no nitrous oxide sessions in Pune two. This always seemed unlikely.
So maybe next month we will get some truth, (though those of a sceptical disposition might well ask why this has taken so long?) ….
I myself always felt that Osho wanted this knowledge in the public domain long before – in 1985. Oddly enough in a rare alliance at the time, both Vivek, his personal carer, and Sheela his Secretary opposed all publication of the so called three nitrous books. (Glimpses of a Golden Childhood, Notes of a Madman, and Books I have loved. ) However as the Ranch began to collapse Osho insisted all three were published, and in the first edition of “Notes of a Madman” pictures of Osho in the dental chair were heavily rumoured to have been withdrawn by Sheela - from the pages of the book at the last moment.
Hallucinogens have been part of the whole history of man’s acquaintance with this world. From the soma used by the ancient Indian seers, to all the shamanic literature and practice from many cultures. For my money it will help to have a less “sanitised” and western picture of the complete man. Osho’s tastes were shamanic, tantric and taoistic. This book may well shed fresh light on the complete man, as they say, in the round.
Parmartha
The idea that any individual will feel more able to be liberated from the conditions and limitations of their ordinary life , their accidental circumstances, the impositions of limiting interactions from the cradle to the grave and the utterly sinister disempowerment both economic, emotive and intellectual by unclear forces that create constructs and bondages around them just by reading how those (osho) who had jump-started their metaphysical neurons with some diy electrical plugging into lsd-like sources of the universe also via laughing gas is neither pragmatic nor a manual for action.
It may be , contrarily, useful imaginatively, however any individual already has far more power to recover their betrayed lives by a refusal to cooperate within mundanity, than in attempting to emulate or understand or consider states of 3rd party transcendental intoxication. It may be good for bedtime reading,but I doubt you’ll get any laughs out of it Nox2 style.
Devageet is a nasty short arse of a former Cornwall dentist who lived by his own self interest., and who never managed to repair the damage done to him by his inherited jewish conditioning foreskin chopping arrogance. His face suits the part, and it wouldn’t be the first time Osho had chosen a desperate wanker to promote his (osho’s) ever so important impositional intimidating take on reality for others to endure through deference to aspirational metaphysical robe wearing authoritarianism. If he , osho, took Nox2 , i’m very happy for him, big deal.
Sure the high ups are busy wiping away the arsey skid marks to build the futile ‘i leave you my dream and nightmare religions and hug centres, based on belonging to a credo for hierarchical impositional gibberists’. Hooray good luck to em, and goodbye.
Parmartha you seem to be, by promoting a small corner of some kind of larger community of sannyas, in awe of a transcendental reality that’s permanently out of (y)our reach, and is time stamped for some aeonic relevance as some sort of inheritance for the kids by way of all things sannyas, sublimating to some greater good or wonderful intention that sannyas still represents even in your embryonic expectations. The evidence is that sannyas was only as decent as any individual chose to be, and osho or his movement reflect nothing in accessible human-ism that cannot already be achieved with simple determination and genuineness of oneself without the ‘much ado about nothing’, so popular in the former, now non-existent communities of sannyasidom.
I can write you a book about my dentistry if you like, and tell you of the effects of ibuprofen and penicillin, but i doubt you’d be impressed because I can’t make a legacy religion out of it, or knit two coherent thoughts together to go inwards with, to the source of effluent joy. Which kind of puts me back to where I started , without any answers , approaches, belongings or a compass. Bet Devageet thinks the sun shines out of his arse because of his years with the master and so do those who don’t smell the acrid smoke which follows his trail…
Scheister ..as they say in Golders Green…
pur-leeeees
some people think i’m far too rancorous….spelt with an r…
cheers, m
Dont share your view of Devageet Martin, but even if I did dont see the use of giving energy to delivering judgements anway.
I am interested what he will write about the surrender of surrenders when he was told (by Osho) to pull out all of his teeth. I know he resisted this order, and Osho just told the secretary to get in an Indian dentist…. !!
I am not 100% sure what happened then…. but suspect that Devageet did it in the end.
I had a few personal contacts with Devageet, he was always courteous and didn’t act like some high up. Just another fellow sannyasin on the road. Also the fact he wants to publish this book and has tried for over 14 years to do so – says something. I know the present “Inner Circle” do not want it published!!
Judgements ..he Devagit knows all about those….he tried to manipulate his way into the sale of ko hsuan with his returning to europe , as a venerable protagonist of it becoming a growth centre… when challenged by my ko hsuan mate who was at the meeting, ( i wasn’t) he replied with ‘ you are going to die of kidney disease anyway so what do you care ? ‘
this bogus non sharing of ‘judgements’ which you claim by some connivance in ethicity, is just so typical of the contortions that poorly trained sannyassins were always wrong footed by, by the arch manipulators….
not on my shift and not without the support of the two headteachers of ko hsuan , pastoral and academic,
and others who took me as a breath of fresh air when the shit hit the fan there..
and you run an online blog which as i’ve said before you play jerry springer to, whilst letting merry mayhem be played out for no particular coherence other than judgements .. in fact its sn’s raison d’etre raking over the ashes of history for entertainment…
i do it as a hobby… you do it because its part of your extended patrician self validation or did you never see how utterly fucking nuts Ben(bhakta) kamala paragit and punit all went after those so called heart to heart sharings of sannyas
if there had been more out and out straightforward straight talking the clowns would not have got away with the sanctimonious ‘professionalism’ you think sannyas should be made of and actually isn’t…and which the seven contributors here struggle to negotiate with because spade calling remains classified as unrepresentative of the integrity or purpose of sannyas….
judgements .. bring em on .. what are yours… ?
Some ten or twelve years ago Devageet was offering evening Nadabrahma meditation in Hampstead. I think it was free or you paid a few pounds. When I went along I found the purpose of his sessions was to try and sell his ‘Osho Spiritual Training Courses.’ As Devageet learnt I was only interested in Nadabrahma, not in his expensive course, I felt unwelcome. Given all Osho said about the importance of his meditations, I was not impressed that someone as close to the Osho as Devageet, should behave like that.
I can well understand that, Alok.
Perhaps his ‘Osho Spiritual Training Courses’ didn’t include how to welcome people whose circumstances don’t fit with one’s (evidently overwhelmingly important) worldly imperatives?
Perhaps he might have done well to have taken heed of the well-known words of the unenlightened, ‘nice guy but totally unconscious’ (according to Osho) John Lennon: “Life is what happens when you’re making other plans”?
I suppose there is close to Osho and close to Osho. As time has shown being close to Osho did not guarantee anything. Nothing perhaps.
Lokesh says:
I suppose there is close to Osho and close to Osho. As time has shown being close to Osho did not guarantee anything. Nothing perhaps.
The longer I look at it the more I become amazed by some of the wankers he had around him and for years sometimes. I have a feeling that he liked buffoons. They probably amused him. It’s difficult to figure out his own motives (if any) behind many of his actions, or his inactions. It is also possible that he wasn’t a good judge of character (bless his soul). ‘Character’ is a strange quality because as it not real but acted, it can be easily manipulated.
He said in a Darshan Diary, words to the effect, that he had to surround himself with second rate individuals, because the first rate were to much trouble in the immediate term, and he could not have done the building work with them. (Sure he contradicted that somewhere. Bound to have. )
the way the system worked was- osho gave orders(or supposedly did), those orders passed down to the big shots- laxmi, sheela etc. from there- down to group and center leaders, from there, down to the foot soldiers… so a guy like Devageet, or a lady like sheela, we were suppose to listen to and obey their directives and intentions.. no questions asked… blind faith- and the typical justification was- it was osho’s wishes…. Deavageet tried using his stature to get into sannyasins pockets- greedy , selfish bastard alok’s example was the typical ritual in a sannyasins daily routine…most people fell for it back then, after the ranch more people didn’t….for me almost every day dealing with sannyasins there was always a scam, a hustle to be found.. to make money, by con jobs… using the osho name as a pass… the ranch brought all the deceit to light… to answer satya deva’s critique of my earlier post… “need more proof swami”?
Answering in general terms like that is not dealing adequately with the points I made in response to your damning remarks about sannyasin women.
And you’re still unwilling to ‘admit’ (!) that you enjoyed any good as a sannyasin.
suffering from memory loss?- i’ve covered those accusations many times in the past- it’s getting to be old news and a drag to have to repeat myself more than a few times for boneheads like you… look it up… shouldn’t be a problem for someone as obsessive as you.
Right, so you’re happy to come on here to vomit out all manner of accusations against thousands of people, but refuse to be responsible for them. The behaviour of an emotional fascist – exactly the sort of thing you enjoy condemning in others.
I suspect you’re treading on thin ice at this place and are due to be kicked out (yet again).
I agree with Baba. You really had to watch for the scams. They were endless.
The problem with babasv is that he chooses to present an unbalanced picture, always wanting to highlight and often exaggerate what was ‘wrong’, never acknowledging the good that was also all around, as if he received nothing at all of value.
The chronic anger, the apparent inability to make his point without pouring out a torrent of abuse would seem to indicate a very unhappy man whose judgment therefore can’t be trusted. I also wonder exactly where he’s coming from, whether he’s got an alcohol problem, for example, or even whether there are more sinister motives at work.
I think he’s fortunate to get away with a number of his posts here, frankly.
check the first 2-3 minutes of this video and see if you can spot babasv….
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That’s a tough one, frank – Could I have another 2 or 3 hours to find him, please?
mine is not the problem- for i look at what i say as a counter to the fanaticism of the sannyas world, you being a part… always looking at osho and sannyasins a golden boys, without sin, the perfect way of living, everyone else is wrong we are right.. S.D. i find you to be an extremist, the-”none one better dare to criticize my religion, my guru”, nonsense. your nutty exchanges with “eckhart” show mental instability.. find another person to beat on.
This sort of rubbish, which bears no relation whatsoever to me or to what I’ve written here, is why I’m betting you’re on the way out of here, babasv.
These are some of the scams that I experienced:
1)Getting a price quoted on the phone for a sannyasin venue way out in the country and then after spending a lot of time and gas (petrol) to get there, one is charged a lot higher price
2) sannyasin therapists who go beyond their scope of knowledge and their abilities just to keep a customer ( and therefore a steady income). This is done by fooling a trusting person about what the sannyasin therapist really knows. Often the therapist really knows nothing at all about therapy.
3)A certain clique of sannyasins (who are not really interested in people outside their clique) who organize parties and charge other sannyasins exorbitant admission prices so that the clique members can get in for free at everyone else’s expense. Often these cliques used these parties as an opportunity to cruise neophyte sannyasins for potential therapy customers.
4) Exploiting Osho celebrations such as Osho’s birthday (Dec. 11th), Enlightenment Day (Mar. 21st) to lead a meditation group where the prices were so high that it was clear that the sannyasin leader intended to make a living off of it. I do not mind sannyasins making a living off therapy but I do not think that people should make a living from these Osho celebrations. Only amounts to cover basic expenses for these events should be charged such as the room rental and other things.
I can think of many other things and I invite others to show me what other scams there were.
I myself had really good times with other sannyasins but things like this made me feel revolted. So I often had a love/hate feeling when I attended sannyasin events
BELOVED OSHO,
WHY AM I NOT IN THE FRONT ROW?
Anand Anado, before I answer your question, there is another question also which will make your question complete.
BELOVED OSHO,
WHY AM I IN THE FRONT ROW?
Mukesh Bharti…
A Lufthansa airliner had to make an emergency landing at sea. The captain assured the passengers that they would be picked up shortly and that the plane would remain afloat for at least thirty minutes. After twenty minutes had passed no rescue boats had arrived, and the captain announced, “Everybody who can swim, get on the left wing. And everybody who can’t swim get on the right wing. Now for the people on the left wing– when the water gets to your knees, start swimming. And for the people on the right wing — thank you for flying Lufthansa.”
Anado and Mukesh Bharti, those who are in the front row are the people who cannot swim, and those who are not in the front row are the people who can swim. Okay?
Osho
Satyam Shivam Sundram
Chapter #20
Chapter title: The radiation of enlightenment
@Satyadeva,
Well maybe what you write about Baba is correct. I have not read all his posts. But for many many years, I found the best rule for me was : do the meditations, listen to the discourses, but be very wary of sannyasins. I came across, on the web, this description of sannyasins by a critic….”They were ignorant, arrogant, self-centred, a bit mad, and drama queens or kings.” I must say I tend to agree, especially, during the orange-clothing days. The combination of ignorance and arrogance had dire results. It has almost been suggested to me that serious medical illness and life problems can be solved by energetic dancing! I did and do get a lot “out of sannyas” but it is mainly through my hard work on meditation, though I have had a few friends along the way. I’d also add that I think many first generation sannyasins were corrupted into becoming selfish people by est and similar programs.
Well, everyone has their own history, their own ‘story’, seen, reviewed and revised over the years through the lens of their (hopefully ever-clearer) perception…I can see where this guy and you are coming from all right and wouldn’t deny sannyas attracted ‘all sorts’. Yet, as with babasv’s rants, that’s only one side of the picture, not the whole vista.
But that nonsense about dancing being a ‘cure-all’ is still being promulgated, believe it or not, by none other than “Mr” Osho Rajneesh himself! So in those circles there’s still apparently a ‘market’ for ignorance, arrogance and sheer, unadulterated gullible stupidity!
For me, EST etc. was good for a lot of people though, it helped them sort out their heads and make headway (!) in their lives, both in personal terms and in ‘the world’. Personally, I think I benefited from it a bit, but not to a life-changing degree, far from it.
prem martyn says:
>> I can write you a book about my dentistry if you like, and tell you of the effects of ibuprofen and penicillin,
I reckon you could write the bible on vitriol too. You seem so full of it. Where did you pick it up? What were you intending to actually buy? Have word with your dealer …
Vartan…put your arse on the line and you’ll find out how to really live with love and not your fancy borrowed niceties which are just your repressions in drag…
prem martyn says:
Vartan…put your arse on the line and you’ll find out how to really live with love …
I am all ears …
vartan…
spelling mistake ..rearrange letters… !
pm, are you sure you are not missing a letter?
rave on buddha in the dental chair
rave on thy holy fool
down through the weeks of ages
far out,tripped-out sages
and mashed up no-mind mages
get the story down onto well-pressed pages…
walt whitman nose down in some good grass
william james with his varieties of oceanic gas
rave on shameless shamans on a wild and dodgy path
rave on tantric taoists who like a shag and a laugh…
rave on that man outa india
rave on mr osho
you left us infinity
and an extremely shady past
fill your brain with natures wild and crazy stuff..
rave on down through time and space
along multi-mirrored corridors
rave on thru the tripping of a vision…
rave on rave on…
rave on omar khayyam,
rave on khalil gibran
and that was only wine they were drinking….
rave on down through the 20th century
rave on alan watts
rave on acid trips and booze
rave on timmy leary
rave on drogyam drunkpa
rave on magick al
rave on georgie G
rave on ram dass` mate with the blanket
rave on baba freelunch
oh what sweet wine,opiate,hash,pills,powders,trips,gas,plants,E we blasting….
rave on buddha in a dental chair
rave on thy holy fool……
down thru the weeks of ages
technicolour highway sages
psychedelic loved-up mages
get it all down on printed pages
for the children of the future ages….
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I`m a soul in wonder, baby….
Thanks Arpana for posting this,
Van sure is up there.
Parmartha says:
Van sure is up there.
Mystic Of The East
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“Gone with the wild geese and I’ve had it up to the teeth.”
In real life I think Van the man is not so up there.
A friend was in a limo with Van on the way to visit Sting. When they arrived outside the gates of Sting’s mansion Van told the driver to turn around.
Seems Mr Morrison did not dig that Sting had a bigger mansion than he did. I know it from a friend who is in a position to know about such things and according to him Van is an absolute bastard to work with…moody, tempremental and flies of the handle for no apparent reason…think Elton John.
So there you have it. There is a pulic image of enlightenment and a private one that runs quite contrary to that. Remind you of anyone relevant?
That’s so often (always?) the case with artists though, they can create wonderful work in the context of their field of expertise, creating the illusion that they must be such ‘evoloved’ human beings, which is apparently very often belied by their ordinary selves outside their art.
As for Van Morrison, these tales of his moodiness and ill humour have been around for years.
‘Never meet your heroes’ would seem a pretty good recipe for maintaining such illusions. For the likes of ‘truth seekers’ (sorry for the phrase!) the opposite might be recommended?
well,you know what they`re like from belfast….
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Thanks Frank. Moved me.
Osho -The most dangerous man after Jesus Christ..Was published when Osho was in the body.
Dentist has written now, “Osho -first Buddha in the dental Chair”.
Physician Amrito will write sequel , “Osho who gave Employment to Sodexo!”
These days I prefer free ebooks , I hope Devageet considers this option , as the only guilt I feel is when I havent got my value for money !
Not so indirectly and subtly, Osho has always projected himself in the exclusive club of Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira,Moses, Jesus etc. During 35 years of his public life, how many times he has mentioned these names in a single breath?
One common attribute of these men is that they evoke emotions, they are more alive then dead, therefore every single sign post is preserved, every remarkable day in their life is celebrated- “Happy Birthday baby Jesus..you are now 2013!”
Bihar where some tree is said to be existing under which Buddha got the final kick attracts million plus visitors around the globe, for what?
Without reading the sign board mentioning This is Bodhitree, i think even Buddha reincarnated will not be able to distinguish it from other trees. After all, trees don´t wear magician clothes to took different.
Fact is when one is in the exclusive club, where entry happens once in few hundred years, symbols gets larger than life sentimental values..and they serve the purpose, on a mysterious level, they nourish the inner. Richard Gare is after all not a sentimental fool who visits Bodh Gaya quite frequently?
Now the question is after his demise, are his faithful ones are preserving that brand value of Osho to be in company of Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira,Moses, Jesus etc.
As i see, the bosses the chosen few have adopted a different strategy. In this way they have protected their own survival. They have shifted Osho to another club, where respectable men are like Dr. Deepak Chopra, Echahrt Tolle, Mauji and Vipassana man from Igatpuri, Goenka ji..
These people don´t create emotional bonding, they can´t after all they are only the service providers. They don´t bake pizza but words..on one level they are like the owners of fitness studios…!
I think in this way, neither Osho will grow posthumously nor the people around him, as long there is some clever mind operating in disguise of mystery.
But look where all this sentimental, emotion-evoking remembrance has led, Shantam…To a world where few really understand these spiritual giants, where their priests have hijacked their teachings, distorting, twisting and inventing their own versions, so that the original purity has long disappeared. Not to mention all the wars and conflicts arising from turning the living Truth into belief systems doomed to calcify and decay.
In our times there’s more than enough preservable evidence (videos, cd’s, books etc.)for people to sift through so there’s no pressing need for any well-meant but probably ultimately pointless, even possibly pernicious, additional erections – er, sorry, enterprises.
You might think that the existence of such evidence automatically ensures the ongoing integrity of ‘Osho’s work’, a power to keep it uncorrupted, ‘pristine’, as it were. Maybe so, maybe not – I certainly wouldn’t bet on it, knowing the nature of our minds…
Besides, didn’t Osho say he wished to remembered “as a nobody”? How does what you’re advocating square with that, Shantam?!
>> Besides, didn’t Osho say he wished to remembered “as a nobody”? How does what you’re advocating square with that, Shantam?!
May I answer that for you Shantam?
I will anyway. Nobody means no-body, which means that you are not meant to look at what his body did but at what his mind did.
Affidavit
I, Rajneesh Chander Mohan lovingly called Osho, born on 11th December, 1931 declare the following point as my last testament. With this statement, all the previous statements of me, saved and perserved in 630 book titles deem to be null and void.
1. After my death, i wish to be remembered “as a nobody”.
2. No Memorial of me should be erected in the vast property, i am residing as guest.
3. I will prefer, this property to be donated to the next one who claims to be in the same line of Buddha Mahavira and me etc. etc.
4. To find such a person, newspaper ad. should be circulated in the international newspapers and also google ads. in the sidebar.
Signature
xxx
Facts stated above is true to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have undersigned it with my free will and in the state of sound mind.
Witness
1. Satya Deva
2. Frank Martin Lokesh
I reckon you’re what’s known as a ‘dodgy lawyer’, Shantam….
>> 3. I will prefer, this property to be donated to the next one who claims to be in the same line of Buddha Mahavira and me etc. etc.
To my reckoning it should be given to Shantam!!!
Oh.oh, once again we return to the Jumping Jack Flash, it’s a gas, gas, gas enigma.
I first tried Nitrous Oxide back in the early seventies. I sat cross-legged in a circle of super freaks with a pair of headphones on my head, ready for blast-off. The gas came round and I filled my lungs with it. Whopee…I left the planet and entered an ocean of cosmic sound and glowing electric light. Lasted a few minutes and then I was back in the rig for another swig. I took the headphones off and checked out sensory perceptions. I can remember hearing and seeing static electricity sparking off my woolen jersey when I moved my arms. Ten hits down the line a good time was had by one and all. In a psychedelic capsule …good clean fun. For some months I inhaled the gas here and there. Going so far as to get gassed up on a train to Edinburgh. Those were good times and getting high on a free supply was the name of the game. I packed it in when I began to get severe headaches from overindulgence. Kids stuff, one might say in retrospect. I was a long-haired hippy kid and recalling those halycon days is like remembering flashes from another lifetime.
Frank mentions Neem Karoli Baba in his wee poem. It was him that alerted the acid-dropping hippies to the fact that there might be something going on beyond the bardos, when he swallowed enough lysergic to send jumbo the elephant on a trip to the dark side of the moon on a permanent vacation and the old boy didn’t bat an eye when he took the medicine. I was in that part of India at the time but unfortunately passed on the opportunity to meet the baba when a friend alerted me to his presence. Seems he could stop a train in its tracks if he got tossed off for not having a ticket…or so legend would have it. Thing is, Neen Karoli Baba got his message across loud and clear. There is something happening and you don’t know what it is. Do you, Mister Jones? Big up to cousin Bobby for putting it so well.
Then Osho gets a taste for nitrous. For me, that brings into question Osho’s enlightenment and if it doesn’t for you it just means you haven’t been doing your homework. If he was in a state beyond the limited ego self then who exactly was getting high? Somebody must have been or else why bother? So, Osho was not living what he claimed to be. Nothing new there. He constantly did such things. What do you expect from someone who says that they are going to blow all your preconseptions about how an enlightened man should behave right out of the holy water…and he did.
Personally, I don’t give a shit. Osho was a great man to learn from and I did and am grateful for what I learned. One thing I learned is that when some guy says he’s enlightened and then the next minute he manages to develop an intimate relationship with laughing gas you know he is also a joker and good for a laugh.
“he got tossed off for not having a ticket….”
blimey,that`s what i call preferential treatment!
when i got done for ticketless travel,i just got arrested and fined.
but really,stopping a train using mental powers is a well known siddhi in india that many yogis have always been able to do.
how?
baksheesh the driver beforehand.
those yogis aint dumb!
Different drugs work differently with different people. We can never exactly know what Osho was getting out of His gas but if Notes of a Madman is anything to go by, well, it gives me a damn good idea. Go for it Osho. . Back in the early days he called himself Bhagwan Shree Hashish … If anyone here hasn’t done stuff (and I include alcohol) let him cast the first stone.
It recently came out that L. Ron Hubbard got his idea on Scientology from nitrous too …
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-raj-persaud/scientology-l-ron-hubbard_b_1656883.html
By the way, if you get a chance to see The Master (2012) which revolves around the start of Scientology, I think you will enjoy.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1560747/
Devageet’s probing of teeth with lights and looking for roots (oops, the akashic record) sounds right down weird to me. I bet he kept Osho’s teeth and does voodoo with them. How strange the tales we weave.
http://www.oshodontics.com/devageet.html
http://www.satrakshita.com/osho_illumination_therapy.htm
Vartan:
By the way, if you get a chance to see The Master (2012) which revolves around the start of Scientology, I think you will enjoy.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1560747/
SD:
One of the most appallingly boring films I’ve had the misfortune to sit through, Vartan!
Afterwards, my companion and I had to go somewhere to recover. Not exaggerating, we found it that bad.
Watched The Master last night. A bit of a rambling tale carried off by brilliant acting. One can also see parallels with the life of Osho.
Life makes more sense to me if the “stories” about Neem Karoli Baba are wishful thinking or sleights of hand. It’s the sort of thing that people I was around in the seventies always seemed to want to believe, perhaps to escape from the mundane fact that all miracles are a load of old baloney.
yeah.its puff the magic dragon stuff…
and it didnt die out in the 70s.
in fact its on the up,if anything
the other day,i was with a really nuagey friend in a supermarket,when this other guy walks past.
the friend i was with says to me
“you see that guy?he`s a breatharian,he hasn`t eaten anything for several months.”
i watched the guy amazed.
even more amazed as i watched him make his way to the reduced for quick sale fridge and picked up a going out of date bacon lettuce tomato sandwich.
i looked at my friend
“oh,he`ll be buying it for someone else,he`s very compassionate”
who was it that said
“never under-estimate the power of denial”?
Was gonna post the video Frank, but decided I’d better not. On account of you bein’ such an irascible old cove. Don’t wanna end up in the dog house.
I have a breatharian friend. A cheap date for lunch…one almond. Time has passed and he is now fat. Take it easy on the almonds!
That Osho behaved in ways that cast doubt on his
enlightenment, in the minds of some, makes him
look even spiffier to me.
The spiffieness of Osho is infinite.
energy darshan with osho was my nox2 …..very nice transfer of his to which i shall always be gobsmackingly grateful…
now then onto more pragmatic daily matters
the rest was systematic mystico authoritarian nonsense ..until one woke up from the dysfunctional family that was the sannyas corporation…….
i mean that Frank Natale, big chum of Veeresh, head of the Humaniversity Results Institute (what was it TNI i think), anyway the guy is dead now but he became infamous for being ‘romantically’ involved with a sixteen year old , way into his 40′s or was it 50′s… and the girl’s father took him to court .. sorry the details are sketchy… (and everything has to be quoted with an ‘apparently’ or ‘it is said ‘ )
so…no probs with legal cross age romances, but the guy was supposed to be wiser and more informed in his day job, understanding that cross age relationships are about power etc etc.. now either the guy disappears with said young girl into mountains never to mention therapy again or he keeps his day job…
but both ?
come on now veeresh, devateeth etc etc… tell us you don’t like the perks of the job, and overlook the details because hey you have no one to be accountable to other than the institution which serves you well in the shadow of osho…
no accountability, in public or in print…. gosh that really is mystical ..or is it mystique-al
Its not mysticallatall,,,it’s same old, same old…like as in really old.
If Master like Osho says, ” My way is the way of wine”.
It will be shame on disciples who turn the distillary into diary farm because it is more respectful a business.”
This sentence of Martyn i feel one with- no accountability, in public or in print…. gosh that really is mystical ..or is it mystique-al
Organised religion or small kiosks, the moment you sell your products even to a single person, accountabilty must come in. This immunity of religions and spirituality should not be taken as granted..
Gurdjieff’s sly man is the man who has a knack for finding the right door when there are thousands of similar doors all around. It is true that Gurdjieff was a difficult man, almost impossible to cope with. One of his disciples, Nicoll, was traveling with Gurdjieff in America. In the middle of the night, they went aboard a train, and Gurdjieff, although not drunk, started behaving like a drunkard, utterly drunk.
The disciple said, ”What are you doing, Master?”
Gurdjieff hit Nicoll, and he said, ”Who are you? I have never seen you before.”
He woke up the whole train, because he was stumbling from one compartment to another compartment, shouting obscenities, waking people who were asleep, throwing their bags out of the train. Finally the train was stopped; the driver and the conductor came in. But Gurdjieff was a very strong man, solid rock, and nobody dared to catch hold of him; he might throw the man out of the window!
And Nicoll, poor man, was trying to tell the people that he is a great master! The people started looking at Nicoll and they thought, ”You are mad. He is a drunkard and you are mad. He is a great master? – in the middle of the night waking strangers, throwing their things around, shouting obscenities, speaking strange languages!”
Somehow Nicoll persuaded the conductor and the driver, ”He is a famous master, but what to do? This is his way.” They agreed to let him stay on board only if Gurdjieff and Nicoll went into the compartment and they locked it from the outside. Then whatsoever they wanted to do inside they could do – the great master and the great follower – ”But don’t disturb the whole train.” As the door was locked, Gurdjieff relaxed, laughed, and he asked Nicoll, ”How was the scene?” Nicoll was perspiring in the air-conditioned compartment.
He said, ”The scene? You almost killed me. They thought I was mad, and I knew perfectly well you were not drunk, because up to then you were absolutely alright. And suddenly…?”
Gurdjieff said, ”It was a test for you, whether you can stay with me if I behave in such a manner. Can you still see the master in me?” Nicoll said, ”I am ready to go to hell with you. Whatever you do, there is a deep trust in me that it must be for something good. I knew it all the way, but what to do with the passengers, the conductor, with the driver? The whole crowd was against me, and I am not so strong a man as you are.”
“From Death to Deathlessness” Chapter #7 – Osho
maybe gurdjieff had used that same old fakir trick he had learnt in the east,too, about baksheeshing the train officials !
i was down at shyam singhs bell street centre one evening in the 80s.
he was doing an evening with 20 or so people.
at one stage he was demonstrating some of his chiropractic moves on a woman on the floor.
already well pissed,or maybe “pretending to be drunk” (or,as he claimed,drinking to keep himself attached to the earth plane)i had watched him sink the best part of a bottle of vodka by that stage.
he was doing some quite challenging moves on the woman who was prone on the floor in front of him and complaining to her and the audience that she needed to trust more.
then,he suddenly produced a large meatcutting knife from under a pillow and held the shiny blade right up to her throat and shouted “do you trust me?”
this went on for a while.
she kind of gurgled nervously and flushed red,
and was relieved when after a couple of minutes of this drama,he eventually put the knife away.
this was all taken by the faithful as a test of surrender etc..
(singh always circulated the story of how he had been gurdjieff`s cook …)
i must say that even as someone who was familiar with osho`s gurdjieff/train story and its intended implications,it was clear that shyam obviously had a serious alcohol problem and i and never went there again after that.
arpana,my point is,
you will have to make your decision from your own presence of mind on the spot when some crazy pisshead puts a knife to your throat or is throwing your bags out of the window.
it could be enlightenment at work or it could be a psycho…
does reading and subscribing to these type of stories
as a kind of statement..i will/must surrender in this kind of situation/am a beliver in the neccesity of surrender to the master have any value at all?
can`t see it myself.
Frank.
I recall a conversation with a ma at the ashram, and I said to her surrender and submission are not the same thing.
Surrender for me does not mean I have to submit to twats.
(Good when you write like that. Interesting and worth a read. )
Frank I think Arpana’s point is that we must all surrender to him, Arpana…
after that we can take turns in surrendering…. or mastering…but we must have a ‘safe’ word for when the sub-dom stuff gets a bit dodgy…
handcuffs and shiny black pvc robes are one thing but misunderstanding ‘gniffughoowwwww’ as ‘i want some more pain’ could leave more than just a few red faces… did someone mention the connection between the libido, the urge for boundaryless freedom and spiritually extreme practise… or have i got my wires crossed….
must dash as….i have a spiritual client suspended in the basement who needs some lessons in asking please, saying thankyou, and being a good mystical seeker….
Ma Prem Moany wants your help in making me submit to him is the message here Franky.
Arsepana ….’I'll go anywhere for my master…..’
…
have you tried vagina-land…?
Q: What do Tofu And Dildos Have In Common? A: They’re Both Meat Substitutes!
prem martyn says:
…but we must have a ‘safe’ word for when the sub-dom stuff gets a bit dodgy…
Sheela… Sheela… SHEELA!!!
well we all know about michael lyons aka mohan singh…who hung out with shyam singha 24/7 ….
isn’t it incredible that these things happen in such lofty circles…..who would have thought…..
and all that from a man who used to cook chicken with vodka and chocolate because he was just so wow crazy haahaha, heeheeee maaann…
and singha’s son who put hepatitis A needles into illegal blood transfusions…. (shyams finchley road health centre circa 1991>)… who would have thought that ? Why I’ll eat my socks if you can show me how all these things could have happened under the gaze of one so dedicated to transformation….
i wonder if singha had images of his mum running through his head when he did the indian knife trick
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297818/Rapist-guru-Michael-Lyons-cast-spell-hundreds-terrified-young-women.html
Not sure it is true to say Martyn that we ALL knew about Micheal Lyons (Mohan)… he wasn’t that well known in London, I certainly never knew him personally.
Anyway, I see his appeal against his 2010 Wood Green ten year sentence was refused last year. Do you know anyone corresponding with him in prison?
I have only one observation, if he was a “rapist” what on earth were all those “intelligent” middle class women doing jumping into bed with him, and raising so much bail for him back in 2009? Surely they could not all have simply been credulous? Some yes, but “ALL”?
Another case of rush to judgement perhaps?
…the ‘we all know’ (by now) is a rejoinder about the number of times this bloke has been already mentioned on sn, not a de facto historical supposition of the events mentioned…
there’s much better, more decent people to correspond with in prison if you are seriously saying you are even considering it…or if you want similar worse types try googling ‘multiple rapist nutters in prison’
i don’t know if jailbirds are allowed to correspond with each other but you could try sending a message to me old school science teacher and see if you could all arrange a jimmy savile , oscar pistolious, silvio berlusconi charity excuseathon for things that never happened….
see here :
http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2012/03/14/roger-bliss-farehamhighgate/
and thats really the last i’m going to mention of things that make me wanna throw up…
To answer your question P, here are a few other questions: Why would all of those “intelligent” middle class women drop what they were doing and take sannyas? Why would those middle class women work like slaves for no pay, some being made to work as prostitutes, run drugs, participate in and seek out recruits for huge Ponzi schemes? Why would thousands of women just sit idly by and watch something they worked so hard to build and maintain go up in smoke, and allow a small group of sociopaths try to commit murder, even trying to murder and intimidate members of their own clique? Does that answer your question “P”?
I’m starting a “Joy through Truth” meditation camp, anyone care to join?
Sure – as long as you won’t be leading it, babasv….
No thanks.
Why would they drop everything for sannyas? Don’t you yourself know that from your own experience, babasv?
Did they really “work like slaves”? You mean they had no choice, they’d been rounded up and were kept there by force, against their will, suffering all sorts of terrible hardships, privations, beatings etc? The ones I saw looked pretty happy to me.
How true is it that “some” were “MADE to work as prostitutes, run drugs, participate in and seek out recruits for huge Ponzi schemes”? Where is the evidence for such co-ercion?
And exactly how many do you mean by “some” – 3, 7, 15, 50, 100, 500, 1000?
And is it actually true to say that “thousands of women just sat idly by”, with full knowledge of what was going on, while the abuses you list in your penultimate sentence were committed?
Aren’t you painting a wilfully distorted picture here, babasv, for your own self-serving purposes, whatever these might be?
I wonder why you never write about the good you experienced…Surely there must have been some, unless you were too obtuse to recognise it, or are now too far gone down the road of bitter resentment to acknowledge it? Or perhaps you write this way for other reasons?
P
you ask.. why would all those women be arranging bail for michael lyons if he was guilty?
well,why are all those people stumping up(excuse the pun)money to bail oscar takethepistorius if he was a murderer?
answer…..cos their life investment /identity/future depends on it,
rocket surgery it aint.
times have changed.
forcing yourself on women in the name of therapy or fun dont go down so well in 21st century as it did in the 70s and 80s.
even some of jimmy saville`s girls were “consensual” and legal.
in simple terms…
spiritual mumbojumbo+dinosaur+pulling your cock out unasked for=jail.
remember that.
it could come in useful!!
willfully distorted picture?- obviously you’ve had your head up your ass during the late 1970′s and 80′s… you’re the perfect example of ignorance, and idiocy. The poster boy for the sannyas community even to this day.. unbelievable you even made such statement. the human race is doomed indeed.
It would seem that you are “doomed”, babasv, if you can’t or won’t respond in any coherent way to my points. “Doomed” to not being taken seriously, to being regarded as a chronically angry irrelevance.
How about my question as to whether you actually experienced any good from your sannyasin time? Or would that be somewhat, er, ‘inconvenient’ for you to deal with?
given your past tirades against others you’re not worth my time. are you taking your meds today?
Well, if you’re incapable of perceiving the utter foolishness of the person concerned then you’re not very bright, babasv.
A jury who heard all the evidence concluded that it was beyond reasonable doubt that Lyons had sex with women without their consent–current definition of rape. Brief introduction to law here http://www.rapecrisis.org.uk/Definitionofrape2.php
This guy Mohan had plenty of women around him who loved him and supported him and still does. That is the paradox I was trying to tease out given he is now a convicted rapist and doing ten years.
I only knew him in passing, but I do know that Sham Singer might have a thing or two to answer for his “behaviour”. I know he was (over) encouraged by Sham into these strange ways.
He could be out in less than three years, so those who saw him as a hypnotist – well they better teach their daughters a thing or two!!
By the way, does anyone know if Mr SHYAM SINGHA was a qualified medical doctor? It is an offence to pass yourself off as a medical doctor if you are not one.
He was a qualified acupuncturist and osteopath, Alok. He might also have had qualifications in naturopathy, ayurveda and homeopathy, using all these methods in his treatments, sometimes in extremely unorthodox ways…
He had ‘something’, a presence, a certain charisma about him, and he was instrumental in promoting ‘Bhagwan’ in the early days in London, allowing his Bell Street, NW1 surgery premises to be used for active meditations, groups etc. and turning up at the weekly dynamics in Chalk Farm to offer advice, encouragement and inspiration. He was also a good laugh, a bit of a nutter – and probably a cunning old fox too.
Google him and you’ll find more info and anecdotes, including a short youtube video of him talking about meditation.
They will have a real job prosecuting him now.
Here’s a biographical outline of Shyam Singha (and as a PhD he’d earned the title ‘doctor’, hadn’t he?). Never knew he was born a prince or that he’d been a second world war pilot.
The full interview is well worth reading at http://www.healthy.net/scr/interview.aspx?Id=214
”Making the Temple Right”
Interview with © Shyam Singha DO, DAc
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Shyam Singha, D.O., D.Ac., is one of the world’s foremost practitioners of the natural healing arts. Born in India and based in London for most of his adult life, Dr. Singha is a doctor of both osteopathy and acupuncture, with a practice that also includes naturopathy, homeopathy and meditation.
Born as a prince in the Himalayas, Singha has traveled far from the 300-room palace where his life began. As a young man, he was an engineer, an inventor and a chartered accountant. In World War II, he was a flyer for the Indian Air Force, and also served as the chief cook in a prisoner-of-war camp where 5000 Japanese were interned.
In the late 1950′s, he studied at the British School of Osteopathy, earning his doctorate. Then in the early 1960′s he spent three years in China, Taiwan and Hong Kong studying acupuncture and Oriental medicine at universities and with wandering monks. He later studied naturopathy (herbal medicine) and homeopathy in Germany. He is one of a very small number of practitioners in the West who are acknowledged masters of both Traditional Chinese Medicine and the Ayurvedic medicine of India, two of the world’s oldest surviving healing traditions.
His students have included Dr. J.R. Worsley, the renowned English acupuncturist and educator, and Dr. James Gordon, the holistic physician and author from Washington, D.C. who serves on the faculty of the Georgetown University School of Medicine.
Dr. Singha was a disciple of Sri Aurobindo and Kirpal Singh, two of India’s greatest spiritual teachers of the Twentieth Century. He also was a close friend and later a disciple of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, the controversial Indian guru who achieved great notoriety during his stay in the United States. It was Singha who started the first Rajneesh center in the Western world, in London, but he later was dropped by the Rajneesh organization because of his outspoken opposition to its rigidity and dogmatism.
In England, Dr. Singha has practices in London and Suffolk. He is the director of the Natural Therapeutic Trust, a charitable organization dedicated to making natural healing methods widely and inexpensively available. He also travels to Amsterdam and Milan every few months to attend to the large numbers of patients who seek his services there. In Amsterdam, he has designed and implemented treatment programs for AIDS patients based on natural healing principles.
In this interview with Dr. Daniel Redwood, Dr. Singha’s unique and uncompromising perspectives on health, diet, meditation, and personal power come through in a lively interchange marked repeatedly by unexpected turns in the road. Singha has a great aversion to becoming stuck in ruts of any sort, and he is dedicated, as a teacher and a medical practitioner, to using all the tools at his disposal to enable others to escape the cages of their own making.
SD.
if you didnt know he called himself a “kashmiri prince born in a 300 room palace”(no address ever given!),then you obviously spent little time with him.
he went on about it endlessly…
he also went on about how he had been gurdjieff`s personal cook(nonsense)
that he only drank vodka to keep him attached to the earth.(you decide)
he explained.
“when i stop drinking,then in 3 days i will be dead”he slurred,drunkenly mimicking the story of ramakrishna`s attachment to food.
to this,his disciples nodded sagely.
there was a certain dark comedy to it,for sure.
ww2 pilot?
evidence?
true,he was an experienced alternative healer and many people said they had been helped greatly by him and his knowledge.he gave his space,as you say, for people to meditate and freak out etc and he was an excellent cook.
the article says:”he had a great aversion to becoming stuck in ruts of any sorts”
well,he had a massive alcohol addiction.
there arent many bigger ruts than that.
he would invite his disciples/audience to feel his (hugely swollen) liver and boast about how much he could drink because he followed his special recipe(as did many of his followers)….vodka with perrier water, lemon and tabasco but stay completely aware.
like i have said before.
the “i drink/take drugs as an awareness /consciousness” thing is probably the most sophisticated form of denial yet invented by substance abusers.
Oh dear, I’m so dis-illusioned, I do believe you’ve spoiled my entire morning, frank…
I think I feel like that young American boy, about 100 years ago, on finding that his hero baseball player had been caught match-fixing: Say it ain’t so, frank, please say it ain’t so!
SD i can`t say anything about your illusions or disillusions.
just recounting my memories.
that`s what we do in the jackassnews old folks home,isn`t it?
also.the aricle concludes “(singh) attempted to enable others to escape cages of their own making”.(whilst living in his own cage)
i will say there`s a short step from that idea
to jumping on women and forcing your “organic penis”on them in order to “loosen their repressions”and release them from their “cages” a la michael (caged)lyons…..
I must say I never trusted the guy, although he was a little likeable. I went to his meditations in that cellar many times. And to his lunches a few times. Calling himself a doctor is winging it a bit, even if he had a doctorate, because people could easily take it to mean he was a doctor of medicine.
Well, until quite recently osteopaths were allowed to call themselves ‘doctor’, so perhaps he wasn’t being so devious.
I don’t really have a problem with this as a qualified practitioner in osteopathy, acupuncture, naturopathy and ayurveda probably deserves such a ‘title’ and most likely does at least as much good, if not more, than an ‘orthodox’ doctor (esp a hard-pressed-for-time GP dishing out drugs with all manner of side-effects, invariably treating the symptoms not the cause).
Parmartha says:
This guy Mohan had plenty of women around him who loved him and supported him and still does. That is the paradox I was trying to tease out given he is now a convicted rapist and doing ten years.
You can’t trust women on this issue. Some of them are just crazy … writing to, and marrying serial killers in prison and all that … there is no getting past it, some women like bad boys. Try being a bad boy and see what happens.
Someone once asked me in a discussion: well, what could Devageet have done (when Osho instructed him to take out all his teeth?) I said: but he could have left the ashram, took a rickshaw and been in London within 48 hours… Maybe Osho needed waking up and that might have done it!
But of course Devageet would have had to give up everything in which his ego was invested at the time, like being a so-called leading disciple of Osho….
I remember traveling in a car with a friend and a stupid squabbling couple after a party at 3.00am in the morning, in SE London, an area neither of us knew. Suddenly my friend shouted with full force “Stop the car NOW”. At the next traffic lights, though we didn’t have a sou, we just got out. We walked miles across London that night, but it was a great silence between us, and roads, even in London at 4 in the morning are not unseemly…
Masters are indeed human beings, and it shouldn’t be forgotten!
Funny enough, after many years I’ve returned to Maurice Nicolls Psychological Commentaries. I have a special attachment to this set of books as I studied them for two years, during a very challenging two year period of my life. In a literary nutshell I view those books as pure brilliance and that is not just because Nicoll happened to be a Scot like myself.
Gurdieff was, like Osho, a brilliant man. I think its one thing reading these stories and another living them. Nicoll had a close relationship with G, meaning amongst other things that he spent a lot of time in close physical proximity to the man. How many can say that about their relationship with Osho? Very few it would appear. Most of Osho’s private life is shrouded in mystery and quite intentionally I believe. It’s easy to romantazize a master’s bizarre behaviour…from a distance. It’s also easy to apply all manner of doublethink. Arpana is a master of that. I agree with Frank when he says, ‘you will have to make your decision from your own presence of mind on the spot’. On the spot is where it’s at, not from a distance.
I also met Shyam Singh back in the day. The man had presence and he also received much creedance from being an early disciple of Osho. To me that means nothing. You can meet a master and receive his transmission in a few minutes. You can hang with a master for decades and receive zippy. It all depends on the type of cloth one is made from.
Thanks Lokesh.
That guy Nicholl – isn’t it six volumes in all – but maybe you had the ‘time’…
I like that little book called ‘Gurdjieff Remembered’ by Fritz Peters, that also covers that absurd episode when Gurdjieff upset a whole train…
just 160 pages. Good value!
Yes, I seem to remember you telling me there where six books in all. I still have the time to read the sixth, inshallah.
http://pialogue.info/books/Fritz_Peters_-_My_Journey_With_A_Mystic.pdf
A few of the Nicholl books are available on line as PDF.s
Thanks for the link, Arpana.
p- you mean “cheap thrills” don’t you?
Listened to Cheap Thrills last night. Fantastic album.
one dentist…
one buddha
one tooth….
one truth….
one question…
can the dentist remove the ultimate tooth and reach the ultimate truth?
will he miss?
or will he lose his mind?
miramax proudly presents the long awaited and eagerly anticipated
parmartha conan doyle cult classic:
“buddha in a dental chair”
what the critica are saying:
“thrilling…”
“the suspense is killing me..”
“woww!the energy is amazing ”
“the universe is basically made up of nitrogen and oxygen”
“zzzzz..”
“wheel me out laughing…”
have you seen
“devageet.the first corgi-registered dentist in a mental chair” ?
i hear thats pretty good too….
Hum it. Someone might recognise the tune.
Master asked packed gathering, “It is a test for you, whether you can stay with me if I behave in a manner, which is not socially acceptable. Can you still see the master in me?”
Suddenly all the hands were raised!
Master has found his people.
Next day, there was a small slip under his door. It was written, ” Master is accepted as long as he is alive”.
i disagree with you Parmartha, regarding that you felt osho wanted his nitrous use to be made public well before 1985. In 1984 he gave a discourse part of which dealt with Shiva, his old bodyguard turned so-called “traitor” after he left the ranch in 1983. Shiva published a book in which he stated he was brought to a room and upon entering he saw osho lying in a dentist’s chair being gassed with nitrous, osho turned to Shiva and something to the effect- “I’m high as a kite now.” Don’t remember the exact quote but it can be found in Shiva’s tell all book…. anyway.. during osho’s lecture he practically begged Shiva to “stop saying all of these things about me”, and that all would be forgiven if he came back to him. I saw the video while at the ranch back in ’84…. so osho was still at that time trying to hide his nitrous addiction, amongst other things… many things have been said about osho… including that he got some japanese ma pregnant and the higher ups forced her to have an abortion.. What will Devageet say in his book… who cares? more gossip.. the old man is gone….
I have been told from a source who lived in lao tsu, that allegedly , it is said, that Shiva broke a girl’s leg in a flying karate attack of rage…
osho sure knew who his best mates were…
we shouldn’t be too surprised as leg and arm breaking therapy groups led by Teertha were stopped by ’79-80.
now is that info finally printable on sanyacid news ?
I said IN 1985.
i stand corrected sir, i got so excited about your comment that i forgot to really read it.. old age i suppose.. then again 1985, 1984, one year.. doesn’t make much difference… why the change of mind on his part? did he see that the jig was up and decided to join in the pile on? who knows.
Google- “Rajneesh Story Archives, July 1985″… a 20 part series, good reading.
http://www.oregonlive.com/rajneesh/index.ssf/rajneesh_story_archive.html
A few weeks before leaving his body, it is alleged that, in the middle of the night, Osho passed on a personal message for Devageet:
“Each human body, especially the teeth, contains memories back to the beginning of evolution… Teeth are an individual’s personal Akashic Record… You will find a way, Devageet, for people to bring these ancient memories to awareness. This expanded awareness will enable them to experience their eternal reality, and their meditation will go deep enough for authentic transformation to happen.”
Whatever which way, I think Devageet had some kind of personal relationship with the Man. As Lokesh says one can have 20 years nursing the slippers of an enlightened man, and still not get the blast of his energy, so it dont mean anything. But the physical proximity cannot be denied.
What will they make of my false teeth….a paperweight?
Lokesh says:
What will they make of my false teeth….a paperweight?
I am going to tell them to grind them up and snort them.
That will set them chattering.
I am paraphrasing Osho here because I cannot remember where I’ve seen it back then when it was happening …
The teeth are the only part of the skeleton which pokes through the flesh, and when all the teeth are removed and the whole skeleton is covered another state manifests. He called this state Transdental . He even made a joke about Transdental Meditation.
You can meet a master and receive his transmission in a few minutes. You can hang with a master for decades and receive zippy…
Is it like Boris Baker smooching a hotel helper in cleaning cupboard and making her pregnent whereas there are many who cannot get pregnent sinle time in their whole life time?
Or is it like this, someone get Aids during his first visit to the pro whereas there are millions who will never get though they are regulars?
You can meet a master and receive his transmission in a few minutes….some used thought from Indian villages becomes very Scientific when circulated by the Gore Sahib!
When a player is hurt, strecher bringers look very healthy!
sex in cupboards…
unwanted pregnancies…
aids from hookers…
interesting images to describe spiritual transmission.
and i`m glad to hear that you still acknowledge the supremacy of the gora sahib,my dear old punkahwallah…
your regular dose of the daily mail seems to be working wonders…..
now run along and bring me my gin and tonic on the verandah,would you?
there`s a good chap…..
Boris Baker? That’s a good one. Like’s big buns and sausage rolls no doubt.
most hippies did receive “zippy” back in those days Shantam. enough with your metaphors…. or else no tippy
the tune ?….No regrets…..try this poem by heathcote williams
http://internationaltimes.it/no-regrets/
There is not a single year when somone does not write some book about jesus Christ. Mr. Christ was in public domain for three years and that too thousands years ago, has one morphed book of great thoughts in resume yet writers write in a way as if Jesus and they are the latte buddies at Starbucks.
Here one man, who was hand picked as dentist writes his personal memorial gathered at the feet of a well known spiritual master of our time and writers at this site are showering him with their male chauvnistic pride and self congratulaory wisdom gathered in the single stroke of transmission from the Master.
Crazy?
Our dentist who drills near Devon,
allow me not thy pain
thy tooth be numbed
thy drill be done
with one shot of mirthful gas
or maybe seven
give us today our daily fix
and forgive us our laughing fits
as we give those who come now for discourse
for thine is the ha haaaa haa aaaaaieee haaa, no stopppp haaaaaa
forever and haaa ha ha thisssss isssss hilariousss wheeeeeee
eveaaaaaaa
ammme ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa ….ennnnnnnnn
whahaaayyyyy
buggggerwaaannnnnnnn
here’s the film of the new book , complete with diy laughing effects…
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Satya deva seems to think that people who follow(or fall for) a guru other than osho are gullible fools… typical thinking based on arrogance.. a trade mark of all organized religions.
Oh, really, babasv? I wonder where you’ve got that idea from – as it’s completely false.
You’re transparent, you know: unwilling and/or unable to cope with challenges to your version of ‘history’, you dredge up some spurious nonsense with which to attack your perceived ‘enemy’.
Typical tricky ploy, used by all manner of emotionally unbalanced people – politicians, arguing couples, the chronically resentful, the chronically angry….
babasvetlana says:
Satya deva seems to think that people who follow (or fall for) a guru other than osho are gullible fools… typical thinking based on arrogance.. a trade mark of all organized religions.
I am also guilty as charged. I respect others and the fantasies but I can think they are gullible fools too.
Vartan- you need mental “reconditioning”- to take you away from the typical arrogant mentality that organized religious followers suffer, which btw, is what will do us humans in with regards to whether we survive on this planet.
So that’s why i think i’m better than you.. its not a judgement, its just me being a dopamine… i mean on dopamine …..
its always drugs in the end , no matter how much truth you find…,.er maybe.
Superiority illusion arises from resting-state brain
networks modulated by dopamine
Makiko Yamada, Stanford Univ.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/02/15/1221681110.full.pdf+html
The majority of individuals evaluate themselves as superior to
average. This is a cognitive bias known as the“superiority illusion.”This
illusion helps us to have hope for the future and is deep-rooted in the
process of human evolution. In this study, we examined the default
states of neural and molecular systems that generate this illusion, using
resting-state functional MRI and PET. Resting-state functional connectivity between the frontal cortex and striatum regulated by inhibitory
dopaminergic neurotransmission determines individual levels of the
superiority illusion. Our findings help elucidate how this key aspect
of the human mind is biologically determined, and identify potential
molecular and neural targets for treatment for depressive realism.
As so eloquently stated by Lionel Tiger (1), “optimism has
been central to the process of human evolution” and is
important to the welfare of communities, a subjective but discrete process that should be biologically determined. A positive
outlook concerning one’s own ability, personality, and future is
an essential aspect of the human mind. It motivates future goals
and helps us prepare for upcoming challenges. Positively evaluating the self, a concept termed the “superiority illusion,” involves
judging oneself as being superior to average people along various
dimensions, such as intelligence, cognitive ability, and possession
of desirable traits. This concept contains a well-recognized mathematical flaw, however. Most people are not more desirable than
average and do not possess most of the desirable characteristics,
assuming a normal distribution of the population (2). The superiority illusion is one type of positive illusion; other types include
optimism bias and illusion of control (3). Whereas the superiority
illusion is specifically about one’s own abilities/characteristics,
optimism bias involves one’s own future, and illusion of control
involves personal control over environmental circumstances; all
are considered common aspects of unrealistic favorable attitudes
toward oneself and promotion for mental health (3). These positive beliefs of the human mind have attracted the attention of a
wide range of investigators, including anthropologists, biologists,
psychologists, clinicians, and neuroscientists.
Moderately positive illusions are important for mental health
(3); negative thoughts about the self are characteristic of depression (4). One study reported that the severity of depressive
symptoms is negatively correlated with optimism bias, as measured by self-estimation of one’s own possible future events (5).
A recent computational model further suggested that positive
illusions are evolutionarily selected (6). Given that the superiority illusion is a phylogenetically old aspect of human cognition, it can be assumed that the brain has evolved to support it
…….
extract also here :
http://fragments-of-truth.blogspot.ch/2013/02/the-neurotransmitter-dopamine-may-be.html
martyn,
this ties in quite closely to what freddie N was saying.
that….the measure of “truth”is not to be found in some abstract rational,”objective” realm but rather in how useful and life-affirming the “truths” in question are for humanity…
this is what osho meant when he said
`the lie of the awakened man is truer than the truth of the unawakened man`
(unless he was just blagging it,of course)
for example, for osho,”enlightenment” was a good carrot to whip up an opportunity of some life-affirming living in a bunch of people who needed a lift…
but,when “enlightenment” becomes a grinding reminder of how inferior you are(a la oldtime religion)it has turned from carrot into a stick,and i would say,ready for the rubbish-bin ….
thats why hard-core supporters of enlightenment as “ultimate truth” always come over as either rather dim,or as if they have a prickly pear stuck up their ass.
like turkeys who vote xmas.
how life affirming is that?
they should enjoy a good run around the farmyard instead…..
tanks por dat Prank,
being fully resplendently human is worthwhile in itself , let alone any further massive complications of achieving or letting go into one’s own parallel warp of atomised bits(without drugs)….as its gonna happen anyway,via a box or urn, and as it was all organised before and after me, i personally am just gonna get by with as little discomfort as possible….
and enjoy and share the good times, as your post says….
…inshallah
ip only i’d red all dat before de denpistry…
“Each human body, especially the teeth, contains memories back to the beginning of evolution… Teeth are an individual’s personal Akashic Record… You will find a way, Devageet, for people to bring these ancient memories to awareness. This expanded awareness will enable them to experience their eternal reality, and their meditation will go deep enough for authentic transformation to happen.”
Who knows, Parmartha, this paragraph became the miling stone in the development of Tibetan pulsation healing under the leadership of Dheeraj. I don´t know why the relation between him and jayesh went sour but Tibetan pulsation brought planes full of people and their handbags full with money.
shantam prem says:
>> “Each human body, especially the teeth, contains memories back to the beginning of evolution…
Yes the human body contains ‘a record’ but that doesn’t mean we can read it, or make sense of it.
There is a book by Carl Sagan called The Dragons of Eden …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dragons_of_Eden
… which explains how the physical structures are superimposed on each other chronologically, hierarchically, and electrochemically but that does not explain the question, “Why so?”
Me? I’m a Creationist. I think we just popped out of the ground … because that’s what the Earth does. It pops stuff up. What difference does it make?
>> the development of Tibetan pulsation healing under the leadership of Dheeraj.
Tibetan Pulsing was the most evil thing that has crossed our door. Dheeraj must have been possessed by a bad spirit up in the mountains and afterwards infected everyone he came in contact with. So he was making money … so what? Is money the end-game? If TP is the therapy, I’d rather stay sick.
Hurrow epreebun
arf had oll ma teeff weboved sinps yustuday….ips a marblups peelingmp I can asaw yu..
the dipicult ting is eetin walpnuts , i mean eetin tost wab a pit dipicolt at breppast, and ahm a pit numb in ba gumps at the popent, but i ddo lub dis peeling ob compreet preedum…..i fink i might go for the compreet skeletal removal , which might leeb me spineless , but perhabs eben habbier dan ah am usually.
lub..lobs ob lub to epreepobby….kippses too..
fartpin…
baba, what you have to understand is that you are dealing with an Osho fanatic and the chance of changing my mind is less than nil. But you can keep trying if you so wish. Plus, I don’t care if the world survives or not.
Frank, Not the Gora Sahib, i am the fan of Mam Sahib.
I think Osho Ashram was beautiful and world news because of these white Mams..
As it is said, ” Time never remains the same, nor the ashram is the same..Once Ashram was wild like hairy armpits of Mam Sahibs..now the resort, Philips and Braun have taken the charm away…All looks the same..All smell the same. I mean deodrants!
here is one from my daily dose of dailymail-
10 REASONS WHY A DOG IS BETTER THAN A MAN
1. Dogs don’t have a problem expressing emotion in public
2. Dogs don’t feel threatened by a woman’s intelligence
3. You can’t make a man ‘sit’, ‘stay’, or ‘roll over’
4. Dogs don’t care if you put on a few pounds
5. Dogs will never complain about what you give them to eat
6. Dogs have the ability to sense if you are a bit sad or need attention
7. Dogs don’t care about your morning breath
8. The worst social disease you can get from loving a dog is fleas
9. Dogs are incredibly loyal creatures and will always be by your side
10. Dogs get protective, in a healthy way, not in an obsessive manner
.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2284307/10-reasons—dog-better-man-Emily-Hartridges-latest-comedy-YouTube-video.html#ixzz2M8hyQC3G
also…dogs dont harbour delusions about their part in “religious” “visions” amd “legacies”…..
and they will just rub themselves up against anyone`s legs (memsahibs included) without having to bring “consciousness”,”spirituality” “world news” into it !!
>> The First Buddha in the Dental Chair
I recently heard a story told by a sannyasin about Osho talking in an early discourse … that “There have always been seekers (people who are looking for something more) going right back through the whole history of man, and that he was grateful to be walking with many of the seekers of this age.”
Osho’s statement above has been spinning around in my mind for a few days now. It says so much. For one it says that Osho was also a seeker, two it says that there will be many seekers still to come, and three that there seekers out there now as we speak. The funny thing about it is that I never saw myself as a seeker though I’ve spent most of my life studying people who have been seekers. So perhaps I have been a seeker, I just didn’t know I was particularly seeking for anything. Osho took me totally by surprise. I didn’t know people like him existed … somebody who found something I couldn’t figure out what it was. The nearest I could parallel him to was Jim Morrison who also had that gaze that he wasn’t looking at the same world as the rest of us.
Somewhere in this string (133 comments do seem a lot!) AJ says that Sham Singer calling himself a Doctor was a bit much. SD replies that someone qualified in osteopathy, acupuncture, etc as Sham was – is okay with him calling himself a Doctor….
I tend to agree with SD. With increasing age I have had to interface with western Doctors, GPs, Consultants, etc. I am largely unimpressed in a great degree. They are dictatorial, treat the body without any holistic insight, and often give wrong advice in an intolerant mien, and off load the drugs with abandon. Many of these drugs do much harm to the body.
Actually my main problem with those calling themselves Doctors are those academically qualified in disciplines other than medicine….. that could be stopped!
As for Sham…. well like a lot of others depending on your take, he was a man of many talents and much energy but with some major flaws. (Like an addiction to Vodka, and also some dubious relations with women. )
But as they say in English literature circles I prefer a character “in the round” to Saints…
Osho talked about Sham once or twice. One story was about his satori in the very early days. Apparently he became mad and the administrators wanted to throw him out but Osho said just let him be for a few days in the meditation hall, surround him with cushions etc so he does not hurt himself, etc. After a few days Sham as it were “came round” and thereafter had that glint in his eye those of us who knew him a little can recall. Lucky that he was not injected with largactil or something similar which in those days the conventional medics doled out in massive amounts to the so-called mad.
Sham according to Osho did have a satori at that time, but he never mentioned samadhi in respect of this guy.
you say samadhi, i say satori
you say satori, i say so madhi
satori, somadhi-, samadhi, satori…
let’s call the whole thing off….
you say injection, i say intoxication
you say nox2, i say inhalation
da di da da …..
.let’s call the whole thing off
you say visionary, i say unnecessary
you say reality, i say insanity
reality, insanity… etc etc
with thanks to that lovely dancer , fred astaire….and his gal, ginge
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if you check the akoshik records, i think you will find sham completely transcended satori and samadhi…
and moved on thru
smirnoff and korsakoff
and all the way to the absolut……..
noshotrovia!
‘One story was about his satori in the very early days. ‘
Shyam goes nuts and seeing as he is in a spiritual environment it is judged to be a satori. If psychotic episodes have something to do with satori most hippies that tripped the light fantastc get a gold star in their enlightenent card. This sounds like typical Osho hokum.
too true.
back in the day,i used to sell a bit of grass..
man,in those days,if the customers didnt have a psychotic episode or two,they would ask for their money back!
definitely osho hokum….
if a `big shot` had a psychotic episode,freaked out on someone,got pissed out of his head or forced himself on a girl etc…. its “satori” “therapy” “energy”.
if a small-timer said something intelligent,he`s “in his mind”
anyone who still buys into that twisted world-view at an advanced age probably needs a
largactil wallbanger or two themselves….
frank says:
>> anyone who still buys into that twisted world-view at an advanced age probably needs a
largactil wallbanger or two themselves….
You don’t blindly buy lock, stock, and barrel. You do know the old saying that before the event one is wise and after the event he is also wise but during the event he is otherwise. The fun part is that now we are after the event which implies that we might also be wise, so we can pick and chose the good bits and and not bother with the rest.
Sham Singer wasn’t someone famous – pre 1973! He was as unknown as you or me Frank.
I always appreciated, not from Osho, but others I had met, from the early seventies that there were one off events, often mistaken for some kind of permanent transcendence.
You seem to denigrate and abuse the authenticity of both of these states. I would have an open mind Frank, that’s what the wisdom of age has given me, not blanket condemnation.
I worked for years as a psychiatric social worker so I think I can claim to know a thing or two about anti-psychotic drugs.
I saw many, many with the wide label of schizophrenia, who lived the lives of old men and women, (nodding off the whole time) and just living for the next institutional meal on that really heavy duty tranquilliser, largactil.
A well managed psychotic episode seems a good alternative if no-one gets injured, and certainly more human – particularly if it’s just three days!
In some moods Frank (but not all) you seem quite bitter and twisted and anti Osho, and maybe anti everything. Have you looked at that?
whoah,parmartha,hang on a mo..
was i saying that people having psychotic episodes should be shot up with anti-psychotics?
i dont think so.
best to go on your 3 day journey in a supportive environment.
i can vouch for that.
but how does that journey become a socially sanctioned “satori”?
by a bit of cultish thinking.
(the aforementioned `osho hokum`)
that`s “open minded”?
not to me it aint!
Hukum pokem…ugh!
I would like to know Frank whether you feel “Enlightenment” is a genuine state, and some people achieve it.
OR, that satori, samadhi, enlightenment are just figments.
It makes a difference to me whether you cast doubt on all those who claim enlightenment, or just Osho’s enlightenment.
If the former then there would be chance of a real dialogue.
If the latter one might ask why you find SN so addictive?
sannyasnews, what is a genuine state? If total paranoia is total awareness, is that a genuine state?
How can total paranoia be total awareness?! You might as well say that total misery or total fear or total drunkenness is total awareness. Don’t you mean ‘total unconsciousness’?
sannyasnews,you ask:
“do you `feel` “enlightenment” is a genuine state and some people achieve it?or that satori,samadhi,enlightenment are just figments…?”
first. is “feeling” the medium with which to find out the genuineness or otherwise?
second. i have absolutely no way of knowing.
do you?
third: is your question fundamentally different from asking “do you believe in god?”
ps.
i do feel that its possible that osho was a genuine fake !
That’s what I was driving at Frank. Can you confirm that your position is one of doubt towards self declared states of anything by anyone?
IF that is the case then you have a right to question anyone’s pronouncements of their inner states. I sometimes (but not always) have felt that you had Osho as a particular target and this was a result of some unacknowledged bitterness. In fact I have sometimes thought that 2 people write as “Frank” !!
I myself have in other places questioned the entire notion of enlightenment, partly because it creates a division between those who have “it” and those who do not. A dangerous and disempowering way for human beings to relate to each other, as has been proved throughout history.
Thinking for and being oneself is a very painful business. It doesn’t come easy. But it’s better to try to be a man or women of maturity and fail, than live a disempowered and childish life imaging someone else can give you anything. This argument is valid irrespective of whether enlightenment exists, or does not.
parmartha,
you ask:
“can you confirm that your position is one of doubt towards self declared states of anything by anyone?”
i can certainly answer that in the affirmative,your honour.
and i would like to ask for at least 84000 similar offences to be taken into consideration….
Pee and Eff,
I on the other hand support all the egalitarian intimacies necessary for combining especially youthful life into playful LIBERTARIAN mayhem. I don’t ask that you have the same Osho as me, either by imagination or symbiotic existential experience. If I don’t like things or people I avoid them, I don’t demand definitve constructed realities or unveilings. The only time this matters is if you are intending to
save the world
declare yourself a non participant of society’s norms, by what terms…
set up an intentional community
when Oshoness is a core part of the curriculum, expect everything to be in a permanent state of flux…. especially anyone who sets themselves up….including O.. and thats my credo, which is part of the grand scheme of living from my perspective of sannyas if not also osho’s proximity…..
it makes not the slightest bit of difference either way ….and i can’t spell entitlement properly…so prefer to leave it out of the pub competition….
Well just before I had major surgery for ulcerative colitis, I spoke to Sharm Singha on the phone. He told me to buy his book and that ulcerative colitis could be cured by a diet of fried bananas. Needless to say, I rejected his advice and took the conventional medical route. I am still alive to tell the tale, which I guess I would not have been if I had listened to the quack’s advice.
On the other hand I tend to agree with the Ed. when it comes to psychiatry. Best I think to avoid psychiatrists and their drugs.
Yes thanks for the post Alok.
I suppose what I mean by an open mind is to be open to that what sounds counter-intuitive, etc.
Sham “cured” my girlfriend at the time (1986) of virtual liver failure, she wasn’t given much of a chance by western medicine. She brought it on herself by drinking indiscriminately all the time and every day! She was as yellow as a banana.
Knowing she was maybe going to die she followed Sham’s advice to the letter, grilled oranges and fasting basically for one month.
She also survived like you, saved her liver and is alive and kicking today…. maybe it is the “faith” of the healed one, rather than the healer that counts, and you both had that?
Heres a pleasant exchange between two completely unimportant Sannyas News posters.
Not to worry. Frank will be along soon with a dozen masturbatory quips which will nip that exchange in the bud.
Or Marty moany old queen, renowned heterosexualist will sick up twenty words to every one they write, on account of how he isn’t the centre of either of their attention.
Or will it be the pompous Scotch braggart putting Alok John in his place by telling us how bored he is with it all, or telling us about the ten thousand life saving operations hes been through, and all the psychiatrists he’s told to fuck off or taught everything they know.
Well I would guess that providing she stopped drinking and ate normally, being young, her liver would heal. All the stuff about grilled oranges etc is unnecessary, I guess.
When Osho is no more here to give diploma about Satori or Samdhi who is issuing such certificates?
His main organisation does not even issue Sannyas certificates!
shantam prem says:
When Osho is no more here to give diploma about Satori or Samdhi who is issuing such certificates?
His main organisation does not even issue Sannyas certificates!
I am sure you can buy anything you want from Oshodhara.
[The sannyasin replies: Well I don’t do meditations any more because I see that it is just more effort. And quite frankly, to me enlightenment is just nonsense, because it’s a concept. All my beliefs about it have fallen flat.]
Enlightenment is nonsense, but not in the sense you think. It is nonsense because it is beyond sense. It is higher than sense, superior to sense. One can call it nonsense, but that attitude can only be of the intellect, can only be an intellectual understanding that all concepts are mere concepts. But to call it nonsense – that too, is a concept; it is nothing more than a concept. This too I call nonsense – to call enlightenment nonsense. I also call it nonsense because it is transcendental to sense; it is more than sense can understand. It is an experience, existential. So when I call it nonsense, it is not a condemnation. It is a great appreciation. I am praising it when I call it nonsense. You may start condemning it when you call it nonsense, and then you will miss the whole point.
Let things be as they are. It is not because of you that you cannot do anything. The experience is such that nothing can be done. It is not because of you; nobody can do anything. One day when it has reached to the very core of your being – that nothing can be done – not in frustration but in understanding – then suddenly it happens. It can happen any moment; just the doer has to go. It will go, but it gives a good fight before it goes!
Osho.
Chapter 2.
Nothing to Lose But Your Head
Arpana says:
Enlightenment is nonsense …
It’s ok going through life saying that you are searching for enlightenment but it it all goes haywire if you say you found it, unless you are Osho or truly enlightened but then you wouldn’t be reading SN.
Arpana was quoting from a published question & answer, Vartan.
satyadeva says:
>> Arpana was quoting from a published question & answer, Vartan.
Yes I know. I first saw the quote on the LivingOsho Yahoo group and then when I saw it here again on the same day I thought I was having one of my famous synchronicities until I realised that they were both posted by Arpana. And just in case he is pushing enlightenment I thought to warn him … hehe
‘unless you are Osho’?
Osho, the new gold standard in the enlightenment stakes.
Glad to see you have a sense of humour.
lovers do all that and more….
my one even allows me to molest her without pressing charges….then .. and this is the good bit .. she has to make the coffee…and wait for it i laugh and send her back to the kitchen if there’s not enough soya milk in it….
she is very grateful … and if she isn’t she gets treated to the advanced surrender methods…
Arpana you are just a teenzy weenzy bit priestly monosyllabically anal really with your borrowed injunctions whipping everyone into line..its none of your business how others live their consciousness, unless its anti social or worse….
Enlightenment my arse…..take some magic mushrooms and talk to the fairies…..
your version of osho has so much male vanity in it that i really can’t see who you are in it .. plus the fact that you keep coming back with unsurprising copy and pastes instead of experimentingwith some literacy.. but you ae attracted by the heterogenity of possibilities here… I on the other hand wouldn’t benefit from offers of homo erectus, as its only part of the mystery of sensual development…. and i won’t be arrested for saying so….not even by the sannyas teenage development onanist police force…
I have heard an anecdote.
Mistress Jones, deeply troubled, was consulting a psychiatrist.
‘My husband,’ she said, ‘is convinced he is a chicken. He goes around scratching constantly, and sleeps on a large bar of wood he has fixed up as a perch.’
‘I see,’ said the psychiatrist thoughtfully. ‘And how long has your husband been suffering from this fixation?’
‘For nearly two years now.’
The psychiatrist frowned slightly and said, ‘But why have you waited till now to seek help?’
Mistress Jones blushed and said, ‘Ah well, it was so nice having a steady supply of eggs!’
Now this woman is neurotic — but she thinks her husband is neurotic! Whenever you think something about somebody else — watch. Don’t be in a hurry. First look within. The cause may be inside you. But you don’t know yourself so you go on confusing your own projections with outer realities. It is impossible to know anything real unless you have known yourself.
Osho
Ancient Music in the Pines
Chapter #5
Chapter title: The Ultimate Secrets of Swordsmanship
I, Shantam Prem, on behalf of Osho Franchise International invite applications for enlightenment dealership in every Indian town.
Interested parties, please, send the front and side pose of your beard!
ahh a general associative, copy and pasted, inferred equivalent by implication through implied ideological identity
you should do nlp to find out more about linguistic sabotage….
oh that ….and look for the entirely overlooked retributive homosexual proto sannyassins, who want acceptance yet have no wish for comprehension of the libidos of whom they are asking that from …..yet confer librarian status on themselves to their advantage, because their libido can never provide them with the insight their borrowed deferential classifications aspire to..
You see Arpana a lot of people borrowed other sannyasin’s time energy and hugs by saying the words ‘Osho said’…and we got wise to that…. obviously you still need to be reminded of that .. that what i have is not yours to enjoy….however surreptitious your wish for mutual deference to you by way of osho…
and i mean ever… because of your top-down snakeyness…
Don’t be in a hurry. First look within. The cause may be inside you. But you don’t know yourself so you go on confusing your own projections with outer realities. It is impossible to know anything real unless you have known yourself.
Osho
Ancient Music in the Pines
Chapter #5
Chapter title: The Ultimate Secrets of Swordsmanship
Well, well, well, the esteemed Devageet has written a book about Osho, has he? I for one will not be rushing out to buy it. I did a group with him in Pune several years ago – needless to say the experience will not be repeated! He is a first-rate BS merchant cum con-artist extraordinaire, and obviously a reject-rated therapist.
I suspect that the book will be full of obsequious praise for the dearly ‘Beloved Master’ with whom it will be claimed he shared a very special relationship. (Well I suppose he did if you count pulling Osho’s teeth out!).
Somebody mentioned in one of the other posts that the powers that be in the ‘Resort’ have been in opposition to the publication of this veritable document. I would think that is because they were not offered an interesting financial deal on the book, rather than taking umbrance with the issue of Osho’s laughing gas addiction being officially revealed to the world by one of his nearest and dearest! I could possibly be wrong though. It might also have something to do with the fact that their egos are not given the protagonism they so desire at the expense of Devageet’s hot air balloon! The possibilities are endless – are they not?
Of course, Ashok,
given what you say, it may just be a bad book! I know it to be very long! That may well be why noone ever seemed to want to publish it until now.
The guy certainly lived in Osho’s household,and saw him on a daily basis, so in the end it depends on whether you believe, as many sadly do, that the physical closeness to a Master rubs off indelibly, or not. I think not…
Thanks for your comment.
My pleasure Parmartha! And thank you for the info that the book is exceedingly long. That provoked a hearty spontaneous chuckle out of me as it sounds like classic Devageet i.e. overlywordy, pretentious and in love with the sound of his own voice.He however, would probably claim it is poetry.
ok guys, the book has 276 pages and it will be available from middle of May
in the US and two weeks or so later from Munich Germany. We are also planning to make it available as an ebook on kindle (Amazon), Apple ebook and nook (Barnes&Noble). Devageet also finishes right now the more detailed second book ‘Osho Messiah of Love, Life and Laughter’, which we will release in 2014 sometimes. Not sure why it took so long for him to find a publisher, but we were not thinking about publishing books, we are happy with the music (New Earth Records), but when Devageet send me the manuscripts last year, I enjoyed reading the material and thought it would be sad not to make these available. And Devageet is 75 years old, time to find a publisher. So we started a publishing company, which was something new to learn. Hope you will enjoy and find what you are looking for. Love, Bhikkhu