Swami Gyan Bled did much investigation, and spoke to many who knew Osho first hand – about his early life. (His biography of Osho is very long and written in poor English, but it contains many diamonds. It is called “The Rebellious Enlightened Master Osho” Certainly worth browsing its over 600 pages! )
For example things totally unknown to westerners appear there.
Sri Babu Lal (Babuji) who was Sheela’s father was very, very well connected. On some occasions in his teenage years Babuji took Osho to Ahamedabad, being some kind of family friend or relative impressed by the young Raju (the name Osho went by in his early life.)
It is interesting to note the people Babaji introduced Osho to, and therefore the level of Indian society Babuji moved in. This included Mahatma Gandhi, Mohammed al Jinnah, J. Krishnamurthy and Chandra Chatterjee.
Osho as a mid-teenager
It is no wonder therefore that Sheela was so trusted later in Osho’s life, as Babuji had loved Osho and given him these broad introductions, which widely informed and enriched the intellectual and other life of a boy born in a remote village in central India.
It is also interesting to note that Sheela says in her own book (Don’t Kill Him) that she was requested to tell her side of the story by her immediate family which one assumes included Babuji.
Maybe an Indian reader of Sannyasnews, or anyone else, could tell us whether Babuji is still alive? I remember him from Rajneeshpuram. He didn’t seem to do much work, but as I remember used to sit in the Mall reading and just sitting.
The “Indian” biographical background of Osho sometimes puts things that happened later in his life somehow into place.
More information or insights on this welcome in the comments.
Parmartha
No comment till now ?
It shows, “meditators” are not interested any more to discuss the life stories of Osho; the prolific author and motivational speaker; as being projected by His own home-grown organisation.
People of this age want to gain something out of something. I think, they believe, discussing THE PAST is not going to affect their present or the future.
Shants, the only thing that comes to mind is that Osho was far more ‘Indian’ than we gave him credit for. Perhaps he thought he had transcended all that and we all went along with it… or perhaps he did not (transcend it).
For what transpired between Osho and Sheela, I hold both of them responsible. They were both innocents… pretending not to be.
Throughout his life Osho, made and had, lots of high ranking and powerful friends, but ‘his circus’ was more important to him.
Bodhi Vartan,
Can you please tell something about your Sannyas?
what prompted you to get initiated at first place? Who was the instrument to deliver you the initiation and the new name and which year?
It must be around 30 years ago, when I have read Osho´s charter about Sannyas. The point which struck me the most was, ” Old sannyas has only entry gate but no exit.” In His version of new Sannyas, exit is equally important. People can give try and leave without guilt in case unsatisfied.
I think you are the right person to say, ” Yes…I drop sannyas.”
Shantam, when I took sannyas I understood it to have been all a game, ‘a play’, in which I was being asked to play a role (of being a sannyasin) and he was going to play his role (of being a master) and as long as we played our roles correctly then ‘the play’ was really going to fuck the heads of the people whose heads I wanted to fuck up. As far as I am concerned he played his role perfectly. He was always regal.
The ‘gaming’ stopped when we started to poison people. Then it became something different.
Unfortunately the poisonings and since then the behaviour of the Pune3 regime have put an end to the joking. I am really sad for Osho, it shouldn’t have gone like that. But I hope that history will show, in a clearer way than it is being now, how Xtianity historically manipulates their perceived enemies.
These days you can be a sannyasin or not and many cannot handle that freedom. Whether I am a sannyasin or not, is of no consequence even to me.
there are – shantam prem – as many “pasts” as people
especially amongst sannyasins who have been present and part of the seemingly the all so different phases of an organism of an alive movement
also people who come as new just now following (like we all did) the invitation to live the present moment as fully and as joyously as possible
also those are facing -if they know it or not – after-effects of unresolved businesses
and there’s a lot of it
what happened to me when i read the proposed thread of parmartha was the one and only personal meeting I had with babaji when he gave me a hug and took my hands -
obviously very sensitive to the fact that i had been then and there in a mood of terror/fear striven on the muddy ranch road
the other indian friend of nearly the same age i had at that time was maitreya
whom
when i’ve been in same moods I liked to approach
maybe parmartha, the light of understanding is and stays very, very individual
i remember having read sheela’s book the moment it came out
as well i read amrito’s book
as well i read shunyo’s book
and i remember how depressing that has been for me to read what sheela had to say for her own good
so late to say, so to say
to her performances here i simply didn’t want to go
well
that’s all i have a very long line of other life-stories, which also seem to be “freshly adapted” wherever and also with whom-so-ever the pilgrimage continues
or not
when you have been present you are sometimes in awe
how “stories” change, dependent on the audience
dependent on a need to perform a seemingly new identity
especially as a german woman of 66 years old soon
i am very sensitive to people
who now declare “oh, i always was against this and that” and i have clear memories that that was not the case
well
i guess that many, too many, kept either silent
give some cunning reports or just give history a totally new shape
and that’s why for sure i am busy quite often with some bitterness
at least the insight came through that nobody besides my own research about my capacity to respond with different capacities at different times
and what also comes up more and more as bitterness is dissolving in its own time
so that i simply love it to listen and read other life stories and how it is going today
and i simply feel that an outsider look on “inner circle” or also the facts that in osho’s youth he was kind of adopted into sheela’s family
and it is known that babaji did not only bring sheela to pune and osho
well
we can brag about this or that
it’s family stuff of a big indian family BESIDES the very multiverse family of
people who
in different phases, very different tribes of the planet,
felt attracted
i have been and i am
one of those
madhu
Contrary to Shantam’s misconstrued opinion I almost immediately found the above article interesting and worthy of discussion. So much so that I decided to contemplate it during the afternoon before composing a response.
Just the title of the book, The Rebellious Enlightened Master Osho, is worthy of discussion. I don’t think anyone could disagree that Osho was extremely rebellious, but many would disagree with the title Enlightened Master, especially taking into consideration the last decade of his life. Yet the title is repeated continuously in relation to him. This is partly due to Osho’s efforts while alive. Which brings me to my first point.
Osho could be described as Machiavellian in relation to some of the tactics he employed when delivering his discourses. He was, in certain instances, someone who often repeated things , especially when it came to describing himself, master of masters, enlightened one, Buddha etc. On the other hand he occasionally talked about how politicians and dictators often employed repetition in an effort to brainwash the masses. He picked Adolf Hitler as his prime candidate for such mass manipulation. The idea behind this being that humanity is asleep and as easy to control as a herd of bleating sheep, a point of view that I entirely agree with. Meanwhile, his disciples sat at his feet being subjected to such treatment, nodding their heads sagely and doubtless believing it would never happen to them. Unbelievable! If nothing else this gives testimony to what a brilliant orator Osho was, charismatic and believable to the max. In retrospect I now realise that such tactics were a constant in Osho’s public life and he used them to make plausible the obvious contradictions that arose due to him speaking so much on such a wide variety of subjects. Osho was so good at this that even after his death people are still going for his contradictions and somehow managing to form them into something cohesive. Truly remarkable.
Now we are hearing about Osho’s meetings with people of destiny at a young age, some of whom would be severely lambasted by him later on in his life. Parmartha goes on to conclude that such biographical background puts Osho’s later life in a clearer perspective. I have to say yes and no to that.
There are a number of things about Osho’s later life that I can only write off as being strange and incomprehensible, that somehow deny any attempt at trying to explain it all away and I reckon it will remain so for the rest of my life.
In regards this new book I for one will not seek it out. I no longer have a need to try and figure out who Osho really was. Not long before Maitraya died I wrote to him enquiring how he now viewed Osho in retrospect. His reply ran along the lines of it being a good idea to take the best and forget the rest. I agree. Although I still enjoy a wee debate about certain aspects of Osho’s life.
And thus the years pass and the myths around Osho will continue to grow. We are in the midst of a technological and information age and time is thus being speeded up and people’s long term memories are shortening. What would have once taken a century in terms of myth building now takes a fifth of the time. Give it another thirty years and people will be writing books about a Christ like figure called Osho who walked on water and gave eyesight to the blind. Well, I have to admit, he certainly opened my eyes to a few things that a lot of people still seem incapable of seeing. I am grateful for that.
Must say, the string was making me feel and contemplate too. I was also thinking let some other devotee of Osho come forward and pour the Ghee on the fire.
Seems like other than few regulars, most of the readers feel hesitant to expose themselves to this brutal media.
One day is a long day in this age of fast communication. As no other has provided the further information regarding the question, maybe an Indian reader of Sannyasnews, or anyone else, could tell us whether Babuji is still alive?”
When I have visited Sheela few years ago at her old people´s home in Rheinfelden (Basel area), at the entry of the main gate there are two Samadhis facing towards east. They belong to her Babuji and Ba(Mom).
As I stress my memory, their constriction style reminded me of Samadhi of Osho´s parents in Pune.
I found the picture of Osho at 14 interesting. One can see the potential of depth, and the melancholy that must have surrounded him, and intensified when he was 19/20.
I didnt know why Babuji knew these very well known people, and was in their circles, but do see why he might have taken Osho under his wing, so to speak. picking up on his depth and intelligence, and maybe thinking that the boy from the backwoods could make some imprint on Indian national life.
I agree with Vartan that Osho was more Indian than many of us realised, and even more so more Jain.
It was a family and cultural thing going on, and Sheela’s rise was within that penumbra. Everything I heard about Babuji when I was a commune member was okay, his fathering of Sheela should not be held against him.
Shantam’s visit to Sheela sounds interesting. As he was accepted as a visitor, maybe he should write to her and ask about her father.
What was going on in your life at that age P?
I was just starting my third grammar school, and my tenth school.
Was like a character out of Tom Browns school days.
Always reading when indoors,
and on the move, always up to something, tree climbing,
when outside. (Use to work on a milk delivery round
every morning at that age.)
I was at my only (all male) English Grammar school between 11 and 18. A mid stream one.
I got very heavily depressed around 13 and certainly felt I became acquainted with mortality. Prior to that age I was a very cheerful chappie, and remember not missing a day at school when I was at Junior school. I loved everyday as I recall in a sublime innocence.
One reason why I like this picture of Osho is it reminds me of some similarity of psychological history with my Master.
Would be nice to have a chat one day. Are you ever in London? Some of the sannyasnews types meet every Saturday in Queen’s Wood where there is a cafe, we have a spot of meditation followed by gossip and discussion, and a nice vegetarian breakfast… ..
Wondered if the photograph reminded you of something of your own life.
Sannyas and meditation cured me of depression.
Never suffered from it since thank god.
Instead of a stagnant pool, life is a river.
You know, as in, sometimes tranquil. Sometimes paddling like fuck and just about managing to stay afloat. LOL. (And every shade in between.)
I’ve been meaning to get to London for a while. Want to go look at the Vermeers in the National gallery.
Do you meet at the Queens wood cafe in Muswell Hill?
My life wasn’t a stagnant pool before Osho. That is a stupid thing for me to say, but certainly my fair share of trips that kept repeating, to the general detriment of my life.
Yes, from 10.30 every Saturday morning.
Yes it reminds me of something of my own life, but in particular that Osho was a human being like me!
dear arpana
glad you are appearing again
as i this morning i would love to address
a plea to you
for very long time i am looking for a particular lecture of osho
his response to the question
“what is the difference between freedom and licensciousness ?”
must have been around 1987…
as your tools seem to be functioning looking for treasures
there is something in it i really like remembering and listening anew
anyway thank you if that can happen this way or not-
have a nice day
madhu
Hi Madhu.
Is this what you are after?
http://en.textsave.org/fuO
Parmartha , it may be best to hear from the horse’s mouth , but in this case the horse is no more , why don’t you invite Sheela onto Sannyasnews? Probably that would be the second-best option , Since she is on a ‘ pad yatra ‘
Her latest video did show that she is open to travelling by foot .
Hi Kavita,
I invited Sheela to answer some questions for SN, I had prepared, by way of an “interview” with her several years ago. She never answered me. Love to you.
Thank you Parmartha , if anyone has her internet id , they could send her this thread , maybe she responds by writing in . Love to you too .
Parmartha,
Does one need radar in the eyes to see, Osho was an Indian from inside out?
And why He should not be?
He was sharing the collective Indian heritage to the world audience.
India´s biggest polio eradication programme was brought to conclusion because of Bill Gates efforts. Does it makes him an Indian.
Microsoft new CEO is an Indian origin nerd, does it mean company will lose its all American character?
Here comes the difference, an Englander and a Canadian can too run a spiritual projects in India but only if they have the capability to keep the basics intact.
Here is the irony, Idiots are trying to play harmonium with drum sticks!
Shantamji, what exactly do you mean by the basics?
Lokesh ji, basics are like this-
Mangos are mangos, apples are apples, bananas and cherries are not the same.
As a consumer one can make the smoothies of all together, but farmers should take care of season, timings ways of cultivations and fertilizers used.
Even the Gardener of a guru cannot grow tomatoes under the ground.
Because Osho as an Indian master has got western disciples in majority, so they owe the burden of feeding elephant feeder to a lion.
Call it irony or tragedy, spring of a fresh water has gone contaminated because of basic human folly; pride of being holier and wiser than the others.
Oh, I understand, just put it in a blender with lazer beans, light orange touch paper and have an ambulance available just in case. Thanks for your very clear response and say hi to the nurses for me.
Shantam, you declare:
“Even the Gardener of a guru cannot grow tomatoes under the ground.
Because Osho as an Indian master has got western disciples in majority, so they owe the burden of feeding elephant feeder to a lion.”
Could you ‘translate’ this, please?!!
thank you arpana
for taking that effort
and share it
(i have been haunted ….by a memory of laotzu auditorium)
but what you have found
is simply perfect -
grateful me
madhu
A pertinent issue for Sannyas News I feel Madhu.
It’s vey good SN that you bring the normal history of Osho. I understand he did not want his “real history” to be told, that would spoil the myth, wouldn’t it?
But where do we need the myth? Or is it for the “I leave you my dream”? Why would I need more dream?
He was a philosopher lecturer (not a professor) and later a guru.. so he knew what he was talking about like any other philosopher quoting.
Also, these energetic phenomena many people – I am sorry, Lokesh – but many had these the same ”energetic phenomena” like you have had in the presence of osho AND without his presence. I am afraid that even some Hindus, Christians and especially other cults’ members have had exactly the same energetic phenomena ..and many others. I am sure they can scan it in people’s brains to be the same (they have actually done it)..
So, where does it leave us?
Have you seen the TV series the ”Weeds”? It’s just pure sanyas stuff. I love the doug’s religion in the end; he is just pure canadian..
I would love to hear more about your visit with sheela, shantam. I would also love to have read Sheela’s point of view.
Point of information, Fresch:
Osho WAS a Professor of Philosophy. Briefly, here’s the relevant facts:
Following graduation in 1957, he accepted a position as an assistant professor of philosophy at Raipur Sanskrit College. Just one year later, he became a full professor at Jabalpur University, located in his hometown.
If you can’t get such a basic fact right then what to say about your other claims re ‘energy phenomena’?
For me, that would tend to indicate they might be as ‘nebulous’ as your flawed Osho employment biography.
Satyadeva, what was osho’s thesis about? He was a lecturer.
I have no idea! Does anyone?
However, a very good read is at Oshoworld, under the heading ‘Professor at Jabalpur university’ (or something like that).
According to Swami Gyan Bhed, he did an M.A. by viva voce examination. The examination was by a Dr Salyad.
The course of the discussion was about the differences between eastern and western philosophy. He was given 90% marks in the M.A.
In the course of the viva he defended the view that Bertrand Russell had written a third rate book in his “History of Western Philosophy” and had no idea of the real philosophy of Socrates and Heraclitus. He considered it absurd that Russell had summarised their philosophies in two pages each!
There is no evidence that Osho ever wrote a thesis which would have been for a Doctorate, but he was never awarded a Doctorate.
I just checked. Osho was invited to do “research” on the “Psychology of Religion” for a Doctorate. The report of Bhed was that no-one could be found who was prepared to guide the young Osho with his thesis, so it seems none was completed.
If you happened to meet “John Lennon” with fifty followers, half of them young, sexy woman dancing around him, would you have an energetic phenomenon? It’s a fan phenomenon combined with idealistic dream.. Or what? You all must be familiar with the sufi story of a taxi driver being a guru..was that the case with osho ever? The show around him, the show around with all this meditations stuff right now. It would be just boring without it.
Yes, there was a lot of that purely emotional stuff, no doubt about it. In fact, only yesterday online I came across a similar happening around Paul Mc Cartney, when he was simply rehearsing in a deserted theatre. The few women working there were in spasms of delight, gyrating like there was no tomorrow!
But, Fresch, you omit something quite different that happened in Osho’s presence, something far quieter, much more inward, altogether finer, a different octave, a different dimension really.
That’s a major part of what I and others are referring to when we mention Osho as an ‘energetic phenomenon’.
If you didn’t experience it, I guess you wouldn’t know about it and so assume it was all about the ‘outer’, if you like, ‘coarser’ goings-on around him.
Well, I better ask you, did you ever experience that sort of ‘transmission’?
Fresch,
In front of Osho I experienced heightened awareness of
everything, and if you like heightened awareness of sound
and silence together.
When I came out I was speechless.
This is not all the experience was about, only all
I am able to express.
A rock concert is about the sound, and a little awareness of the personal enjoyment. (My personal experience that is. )
At rock concerts I forgot myself.
After a rock concert I would be more excitable than ever.
Satyadeva, assistant is an assistant, not a professor.. To be a professor is a long academic way. let’s be real even with this one detail.
My information is that he was a full (in a way, a ‘fool’!) professor at Jabalpur for around 7 years.
Perhaps someone can provide incontrovertible evidence, either way?
Swami Gyan Bhed , in his vast book, Osho, the Rebellious Enlightened Master” says he was an “Assistant Professor”. he does seem very acquainted with the early history of Osho, much more so than anything else I have read.
Does Gyan Bhed say he was that at Jabalpur for 7 years? Or just at his first post (where it seems he definitely was an assistant professor)?
Ultimately, of course, what does it matter?! But we might as well know for sure, I suppose.
Bhed certainly sees him as a “teacher” at Jabalpur university for seven years.
The Indian Osho sites, and even Osho himself may have exaggerated his status or the Indian Osho sites simply accepted what Osho said.
There is an amusing story of Osho turning up initially in Raipur University because of a spelling mistake by the Indian educational bureaucracy! A mix up with the word Jabalpur!
He loafed around for six months cos it was a Sanskrit college and had no philosophy dept! According to Osho himself this suited him fine until the mistake was discovered.
He received his stipend and campus accommodation, and did no teaching whatsoever!
Knowing India as I do a little, I would think the Jabalpur university would have kept their historical clerical records, so someone could check. It maybe that Bhed already did this and came up with the Assistant Professor status.
Not sure what you mean SD, by his first post. This was at a Sanskrit College which was a bureaucratic mistake according to Osho and he did not teach, there was no philosophy dept to teach in!
Arpana, I am not talking about rock concert, I am talking about my own experience in meditation – without osho’s presence. and I do assume many other have had the same..
Satyadeva, these are experiences you do not talk about, you know it. Would I like an “energetic phenomenon” to be a “transmission”. I do not know what that is for you. I only mentioned it because many people have them.
And I think parmartha has asked if there are any permanent changes. I do not know. Even for my self. I am not getting any better person. So, there is no hope for that – nor am I getting any such experiences all the time, I also do not want or long for them. Why?
Fresch, what SD is trying to explain is that in front of Osho we had full proof of where we could reach.
The energy phenomenon he is describing is created by the gap between us and Osho’s position.
In Osho I saw a man at peace with himself. He wasn’t a seeker, he was a founder.
Bodi vartan, that is my point: It’s your projection that “what ever meditative experience” you had needed osho’s physical presence. It’s not so. And I know it, so many other people know it too, they told..and they have described exactly the same experience. Of course it’s authentic for every one of us, but nobody else can ever tell you.. However my point is it about osho…it’s much more strange than I ever expected. And there seems to be no point in it.
I’m not sure that anyone here is saying that “whatever meditative experience” they had “needed Osho’s physical presence” – I’m not saying that anyway.
Vartan makes a good point, which I’d like to develop by saying that the value of such a ‘transmission’ is also to open and deepen the psyche; even to make just a tiny bit more inner space, perhaps in the first instance helps a psychic ‘clear-out’ of the old ‘stuff’, then becomes a resource to draw upon as life goes on and unfolds.
And such a resource needn’t be identified by memory or other thought, it just becomes part of us.
I recall Osho saying as much in my early days in Poona, saying even the slightest inkling of ‘the light’ of his presence, “something of the divine”, meant that one would never be the same again.
I took that as a personal message as it seemed to apply to me, having recently been inspired to write a poem, sent to him, which he apparently quite liked (and which helped to get me an editing job there!).
MInd you (to coin a phrase!), there have been plenty of times when I’d have said, ‘Oh yeah? You coulda fooled me!’ I guess life isn’t as ‘linear’ as we like to think, it’s more ‘circular’, cyclical. I’m sure someone here said the same thing fairly recently.
I once had a healing session with a man called Alex Orbito, (perhaps misspelled). The session left me speechless. I felt I was on holy ground in a divine presence. Alex opened my chest with his fingers and withdrew some bloody stuff. Then he opened the skin over my lower intestines and removed more bloody stuff…right in front of my astonished eyes. He closed the wound with a gentle pat of his hand. There was no trickery involved. Alex told me later that it was a kind of theatrics he performed that was actually unecessary as such because his real work took place on a finer plane, but human beings like ‘evidence’ so he provided it.
People talking about their experiences around and with Osho is allright by me and I do it myself. Having said that I do feel a slight similarity with people describing their acid trips. It soon becomes boring if the person goes on and on about it. Experiences are experiences and we all have them in one form or another. I had lots of experiences with Osho. It was upon meeting HWL Poonja that I was alerted to the fact that experiences are two a penny and that it is enquiring into who or what that is having thiose experiences that is another step up.
I also believe that Advaita may also be something that you can somehow get stuck with, if for no other reason than the practice delivering easy answers to some of life’s greatest questions. Maybe easy is right but too easy might be wrong.
Today I view 99% of what people believe as being spiritual as just being a new set of illusions…religion…the highest religion being the one which can produce the greatest abstraction…one reason for Hinduism’s success.
The danger posed by this is that by adopting a new set of illusions in the name of spirituality you can go through your whole life actually believing you’ve got it when in fact nothing could be further from the truth. With the approach of death the person in such a position is in for a shock. I believe that true spiritual growth requires effort…in other words it does not come easily. It is well worth the effort. In fact I’d go so far as to say it is the most valuable thing that you will ever do in your life. First step is to recognize the nature of true spiritual development. So called spiritual experience might help you develop a taste for it but they are at best a step in the right direction and at worst a hinderance if you become identified with them.
The point in it is that now you have ‘a new place’ to put your attention. I cannot tell you where yours is, as everybody’s is in a different place.
Very often when I close my eyes I like to feel I am in the same space he was.
For me Osho was concrete proof that we do not create our own reality because he was much more than I could have imagined.
I certainly experienced various degrees of “transmission” with Osho – particularly after “energy darshan”.
It took me into another world, I guess what some would call the world of msyticism and ectascy proper. It comes back to me, and I figure that was the value of it. Finally if it cannot happen when just sitting by one’s self well, there you go. But I would say experiencing it is revolutionary, it effects one’s “perception” for ever and even way of being in the world. So I certainly would not pour cold water on “transmission”.
The word transmission doesn’t mean a lot to me.
This story pretty much sums up, in many ways, the ongoing impact of Osho on my life though.
http://txs.io/3uO
Back to the string.
Sheela writes a little about her father, Babuji. (p.111/2 of her book).
She explains that he insisted on inviting leading thinkers and leaders from all walks of life to the family home. She does not fully explain why her father was so prestigious such that he was a friend to the then Indian elite – but it is clear that her father and Ghandi had some kind of strong connection, at least according to her.
We learn that Babuji refused an arranged marriage, if Sheela is to be believed, which can only render a certain admiration, and went to Ahmedabad in the mid-1920,s and joined Gandhi’s ashram. One can only assume that it was from that time he actually got to know a lot of the politicians, (I include Ghandi in this) who were the then elite opposing the British Raj.
We further learn, according to Sheela that her father spent 10 years drinking Neem tea and working and living at the ashram!! (Now have you ever tasted Neem tea, my god what stuff).
He is said, also according to Sheela to have spent several years in British jails, and was later given a “prestigious award” by Indira Ghandi for his role in securing the “freedom” of post raj India.
If this is all true, then it does give some insight into the sort of household into which Sheela was born. Certainly a self confident one, and one that was finely attuned to politics, and arguably political wiles.
My feeling is that young Osho wasn’t too impressed by all the dignitaries that Babuji was surrounding himself with. The proof of the pudding is that Osho finally extracted him from his dignitaries and surrounded him with his own circle (circus). Hey, he even made his daughter the boss.
I see similarities between India in the late forties and Cyprus in the late fifties, with both coming out of British colonialism, the internal dynamics, and also the love/hate/admiration/bla-bla of the British/West, at the time.
Today’s India is a different place to the one Osho grew up in, in terms of education of the upper classes.
Quite right Varts,
Gandhi came in for quite a bit of stick at various times, and Osho was not above making fun of the “great” man! If your guru Shantam does not wake up and deliver his piece soon which he has called “An Evening with Sheela” I will have to have a shot at a piece about what Osho really thought about Gandhi. I remember some of it was very amusing when he spoke about him in Pune one.
As I think some other punters here have pointed out Shantam, you sometimes seem to “evade” important questions.
If this road trip to Sheela’s old people’s home in Switzerland is not a fiction, then it would be of interest to SN, not just a passing one sentence reference.
Lecturer calling themselves professors, Priests calling them masters, member parliament members calling themselves (p.m), we all love feathers in our caps.
If Osho World has its way, They may even call Osho, The God. I mean godless God.
I am reminded of these lines of Bob Dylan:
You’ve been with the professors
And they’ve all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have
Discussed lepers and crooks
You’ve been through all of
F. Scott Fitzgerald’s books
You’re very well read
It’s well known
But something is happening here
and you don’t know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?
A propos of nothing much, on a McCartney video (St Petersburg, 2004), at one point, among a whole load of photos of ‘great people’ flashing on and off in the background, who should appear a few times but…you guessed it, Osho himself!!
Yes, Parmartha, I have often thought about Ballad of a Thin Man in relation to Mahatma Shantam.
What strikes me is his need to hide behind mumbo jumbo in order to evade facing up to the fact that what he says often lacks any real substance. It is so obvious and what is remarkable is that he will be the last to see it. Surely, somehow or another, we mght all be in the same boat because we don’t see something about ourselves that is obvious to our peers.
Reminds me of a line by DMC Run…..’It’s tricky’…
Parmartha, I am not into fictions. Facts may get little paint but i would like to be remembered Disciple Historian rather than fictional writer.
Because the incident with Sheela was around 8, 9 years ago. The way, fellow bloggers are showing the interest, i can create a string of my encounter with Sheela.
Happy to receive your efforts, Shantam!
Talk’s cheap, Shantam Maharishi, just do it.
Few years ago I was involved in a project trying to understand how Christianity spread in Africa. So, I did extensive research about it and had access to Church archive for 150 years. I am short here, simplify it to the max and these are my interpretations, of course, but still based on historical facts.
The story begins with a charismatic religious leader, missionary, landing in the bush, Africa. They learn the language, culture and habits of the “aboriginals”. The charismatic leader becomes the friend of the local king. Then missionaries apply those original habits (belief system) to Christian culture however at the same time demonize original gods. Then they start give support, school, medical help etc. Slowly the bribery pays off and new religion is born. However people are not so interested changing their habits (the old religion) and it’s slow. Then the following is based on statistics. What helps it the best missionary’s work is hunger catastrophe. When people are flocking in for food, they get converted as well. That is the best situation for a missionary. And other peak is when next generation priests take over. That is even better for a new religion to spread; power hunger driven, motivated priests. All these are based on statistics.
So, in the pune1 days people were not hungry for food, but hungry for sex. Also, osho was talking western people’s (here the aboriginals) language; sweet stories about jesus and western philosophies. America is starving after money and wealth, so Rolls Royce and watches were for that hunger catastrophe.
And all these therapists’ regimes doing the converting game all over. And Pune 2 plus 3 was about love..Righ now that all our priests; therapists, canadian cult, Indians etc are fighting and not able to decide who is the ONE best connected to osho, who intermediates the God. So for this reason osho religion is not spreading. Like we would be retarded idiots needing the priest in between. However, for most people it looks like that is the way to go.
Fresch said.
‘So, in the pune1 days people were not hungry for food, but hungry for sex.’
Not everybody was in Poona 1 for sex.
Some were there for meditation,
and some were there to escape from sex and relationships,
including many who were hungry for sex and relationships.
The sex in Poona One number was real tabloid material and there is no smoke without fire, but for a sannyasin to believe it was all about sex is absurd.
Some were there for nether sex or meditation.
Some where just there for Bhagwan.
Sorry Fresch but the Xtian missionary analogy cannot be shoe-horned into the Osho story. The first took years to take effect whereas the other was an overnight jobbie.
Also, then like now, nobody was “more connected” with Osho. Yes there were people who were physically closer to him but that didn’t make them more connected. If anything, the closeness fried their fuses a bit.
You should be grateful that there is no Pope of Oshoism. Sheela tried that and look what happened to her. The Osho religion is not ‘a spreading’. Osho wanted his words available to those who wanted them and now with the net they are. The rest will happen by itself. If nothing happens… even better.
So to avoid all the priests; Canadian cult leader, therapists, Indians etc. who intermediates the God, transparency is needed and the only way. Transparency with the source, money and power.
I think to make a well worded essay, Lokesh is the master here at Sannyasnews. I lose concentration and interest after few hundred words.
Random notes with metaphor and a punch line written like a mini story; a quickie is fun and easy.
Just started Writing ” An evening with Sheela”, only the background of this article is stretching my limits.
Maharaji Shantam declares, ‘ I lose concentration and interest after few hundred words.’ And he actually managed to believe that watching all that TV would not damage his attention span.
It is good to be concise but sometimes hundreds of words are needed to compose a picture. Zen Haiku is quite the opposite, of course.
Fresch , this is in ref. to16 February, 2014 at 7:26 am , this response of yours reminded me of a story Osho told , about a disciple being told by the Master to disappear , after the Master comes to know about the disciple’s completion / development of discipleship , is the the most beautiful one , I mostly (surely) wonder that the real ones have disappeared .
Fresch, this post about Christian missionary work in Africa is that successful model they have followed all over the world, and surely it has helped.
Even in India, low caste Hindus who have adopted Christianity have got an aura of dignity around them.
Osho´s new spirituality is for the people who have enough food, shoes, credit cards and health insurance card, and most of them are not celibates and have a heart as pure as gold in the jewellery can be.
Osho is The ONLY One, who has understood the longing and yearning of such people.
His final chapter is a testament of that phase, where synthesis of Love and Meditation was presented to His people.
This combination has created the intense Buddhafield energy.
This combination is eternal. It will be needed for generations to come, just like air and water.
The assholes have spoiled this. Instead of taking the weeds, they pulled out the tree, so that suckers could put few flower pots.
Still, Shantam, it does provide the likes of you a wonderful excuse for not bothering with ‘inner work’ any more.
Meditation? How can I, without the energy of a ‘buddhafield’ of thousands of others?
Love? Who? How? When (for fuck’s sake)?
Where IS everybody?!
It’s all THEIR fault – those assholes!
Are you going to waste the rest of your life as a ‘victim’?
so -
lokesh (16 february at 8.31 pm)
the chance to get a bit more acquainted
and what a beautiful sunday morning surprise is this
madhu
Parmartha, thank you for checking all that out..This all is actually interesting; it also helps to put things into perspective. Not understand the man osho perhaps, but to se him more human.
Kavita, I have this “no words” communication with you..It’s interesting in the net, trough a blog. But yes, yes.
Madhu, are you in the “Mr. & Mrs. Smith” movie with Loki? It would be romantic if he did not have a partner already.
Shantam, you write the sheela story, stop excusing.. Also, people are starving for love – the real thing, not the romantic thing. I am not sure how much we can talk about the meditation yet. And as SD is saying, it would help if you did meditate some time. That would be the content of your sheela after story: “How I invited a friend to join for some 15 minutes silence.” That’s the “Can we go for a date” –line these days. So, you get two things at one time and change to be a modern osho man. I would love to read that one!
Adi Loki, you could use your creativity for a better purpose and tell how would you share your osho experience with 20-30 years old young people wanting to know about osho?
By the way, did you know Christian “meditate” by imagining they are Jesus? Ever thought of being an osho?
Arpana and Adi Loki, about pune1 sex story.. I do simplify to the max, true. Also, same for the Ranch, but if you look at it from “starvation point of view”..that pune1 was sexual liberation, Ranch monetary liberation..Combined with some meditation. Now we are supposed to liberate awareness I guess..
Fresh says, Adi Loki, you could use your creativity for a better purpose and tell how would you share your osho experience with 20-30 years old young people wanting to know about osho?
A better than what purpose? I do ocasionally talk to young people about Osho…most young people I meet are not so interested in Indian gurus, because they are checking updates on their smart phones etc.
On Facebook there exist a number of pages where sanyassins rattle on about the old days…..’old’ being the essence of it.
I don’t believe that awareness needs liberating. In fact I am not entirely sure what is meant by that. Perhaps an explanation would be in order.
If people were starving for sex, then money, then love and perhaps now is time for awareness. “Liberating” might not be the word, fulfilling the longing?.. And of course you need all: sex, money, love and awareness. I am longing most of those awareness.
How do you define awareness?
Try is explanation for awareness. You will find it at and amusing.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZ6s3BLLQk
a kind of special “rhythm is it”
fresh (at 16 february at12.36 pm and ff)
you post a kind of update of analyze about people posting here
giving good consul how to make better…
giving your interpretations and your sights (no insights buts sights)
of how you see it s going amongst people posting
like a smart coach
i never find though your own self adapted role as an overlooked then -
being looked at from yourself
so
i feel missing the contributor who is not simply an onlooker of others
as by your own words you (like others) really don t like superiority manipulators for “the good”
as teacher-priests
i would like to hear more of messages of YOUR life
madhu
PS fresh
are you on a research project as you have been elsewhere ?
a research to find out how chats are developing?
especially in that realm ?
madhu’s questions which come up whenever i read your subsumptions
not the ones of your other posts those where i can feel in between the lines a human who is as in trial and errors as any other
Shantam you should do the meditation, I have heard quite often from few people; the people with less air in the front wheel and too much air in the back of their bicycle.
Vitamin M deficiency has one clear symptom.
people One doesn´t approve of need meditation.
It means in a pub of gay and Lesbians, straight will look Non meditative.
How about expanding your concept of meditation to include ‘living meditatively’, which only means an ongoing commmitment to looking within and seeing the truth there, wherever and whatever that happens to be?
That’s basically what often seems to be missing with you, Shantam, as you go on and on and on with your pseudo-political rants, skimming along the ‘surface’, in the shallows of life, as it were.
The point is that you’re supposedly a sannyasin, but apparently have little, if any, inclination to look within, preferring to think it’s all about some long-dead communal enterprise, a certain tiny place on the planet, that a few ‘traitors’ have wilfully destroyed.
You’re in a dream, Shantam, sleepwalking….
off the wall, prem shantam 16.2. at 8.21 pm)
but good a reminder
not to take an indian taxi driver
or look thoroughly when on a bus as a female tourist
also in virtual caravanserais
because seemingly the violence you address to me
is pretty much the same
madhu
You’re in a dream, Shantam, sleepwalking….
Oh My God, does your present mother Meera or ex dad Osho have spoken like this with people?
You seems to me too bookish Mr. Satya Deva. I won´t doubt about your inner watching. How I can know what people do behind the closed doors!
Just your habitual, predictably defensive non-response, the usual, ill-informed, foolishly misplaced rubbish, Shantam.
This is why we have a sleeping humanity. Nobody can awaken if they already believe they are awake.
Madhu,
I have not and won´t address to you with off the wall remarks or bad language. So please don´t project or imposed anything.
With Lokesh, Satya Deva, Martyn, Frank, Arpana, it is another relation. Some kind of bonding has developed during the years and also they are as thick skinned as me as far as punches, here and there are concerned.
You can see the archives. We have played exactly the same way for years. Because it is a game, same routine and rituals don´t look boring, neither violent.
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shantam perm
– that may be true what you posted about playing games and fixed rituals for years to go
being ever so often crude and rude and more of that
as well as humiliating and sometimes a sexistic way (both the ways or directions)
that one could feel in a very special ego shooting game and up-fuck-cation climate
it took me longtime to give it a try to contribute
i somehow took it for granted that the title of the whole is what is printed
“sannyas news” “caravanserai and many of the proposed threads also had a meaning for me and by that i mean
issues (in the title – given) that i am interested too or being moved and touched me and i felt i like to share what s moving me concerning this and that
i took it also for granted that it is not closed for female contribution
(that would be okay for me too when it would be clearly announced)
in a competition GAME of insults
open or covered
or some ego SHOOTING blast-game i am not interested
also i sense such ways a very pity for the treat of the issue itself
it may be of interest (for a thread a new one)
may be not only for me ?
how to realize a meditative climate also in a virtual
caravanserai
dealing with sannyas issues or around it
and contributors have
when they start to give report about their sannyas identity
at least i have been asked
so me – in a way -took a certain well-wishing credit for granted too
concerning me – i have given honest answers to my identity
i would never be a member in one of this war craft games which develop in any direction
(last lines also addressed to the editor and the moderators)
so may be i am wrong at this place ?
i don t know yet finally
and i need not to be reminded that “there isn’t ever a wrong place”
because it s as lokesh also stated it
the jargon of meditative jargons (advaita short-cuts and more)
can as well be misused as any other “holy” dictum
so
that s my night prayer for today i want to share
and yes also the plea
of an issue or thread dealing with clime in a caravanserai
madhu
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dear editor, dear contributors in that meeting place of bits and bytes and more,
in the early days of pune i had come to know about this fellow traveler
who have had long life experience as a jungian therapist and has been sitting there at a special place
open for anyone
a n y o n e
who had a need to talk a life issue through
you didn t have to book him
and there wasn t given any money for it
it was a human affair without any bureaucracy
he (coming from the so called west)was as many others i came to know
IN THAT phase a very beautiful being
during my longer visits on the ranch we became more deeply befriended
as a women in my thirties
i felt happy and honored too have such a buddy whom i could talk to or just hold hands
on some intern-extern muddy roads from here to here
he had been (like so many others) in love with a vision
a dream – awake and alive – one could say
growing awareness in any kind of distortions in “dream-states” included
with c.g. jung is connected the following:
“if something is going wrong with society – there something going wrong with people
and when something is going wrong with people
there is something going wrong with YOU and ME…”
why did that come by on the inner sky today ?
at my place here in my body-mind-soul ?
may be because i would like to share that there isn t really a n y b o d y
being insensitive to the exchanges of hurts (“punches”) ever repetitive games of despise and/or humiliations and/or rituals of this kind
this old friend of mine longtime departed when it has gone the natural way
and yet
his gifts of contribution on “my” nine strings and quite more… alive open container of more than flesh and bones
what then i call “me” when i am posting to you
remembering today morning the gratitude (feel honored)
to have been able to meet quite remarkable people in different “caravanserais”
some other day i read bodhy vartan mention “we blew it all…”
may be
or may not be
who is able to decide ?
i just see somebody have a smile of wisdom
and that keeps me going
being interdependent like anybody else
and also sensitive to hurts -like anybody else
my experience is not to get more open to our all “nothingnessness”
by being raped or insulted or humiliated and taking that kind of approach in an amour of “superhuman strengths” or indifference or even have a “spiritual” ideology around
re-a-spect means to look twice
and many more times than twice
isn t it ?
good morning to everybody
madhu
Life is so mysterious. Is there a single case, where awakened person does not fall sleep?
Many accidents happen because for a complete 60 seconds, sleep took over.
I am awake, I am awake, can someone built a ashram for me!
And amazing thing is, awake of one sect is a sleeping guy of another.
How much Lokesh and Satya Deva have condemned Rajneesh. They will prefer to jump from the cliff, but to accept he is awake.
Shantam Maharishi, that you of all people should have an opinion about anything whatsoever on the topic of anyone being in an awakened state is absurd. This is because you are in a coma.
Has it occurred to you Lokesh that maybe you and Shants might be fumbling around the same elephant?
No, it hasn’t.
”Kavita, I have this “no words” communication with you..It’s interesting in the net, through a blog. But yes, yes.”
Sometimes it feels there are so many ways to say SHUT UP (lol) !
and – before i go into the today s
outside
i would like to add a PS too – referring to my post as well as lokesh’s response (as well as others)
the other day
when i spoke of “hooligan” i meant that coming from quite broad scale spoke of people who knowing or unknowingly said more than good bye to ANY fair play
or inner standards of appreciating the so called “other”
- punching him or her like in a boxing event (last round)
- berobbing others dignity by intrigues just as one example
or misusing “information” as a weapon
or phishing it secretly as pirate “hooligan” also this way
also then and there any fair play in denies as despise
and so on and so more
- being into kind of torture games as potency-competition
YES it takes courage to join a “world” which is “artificial and YET
N O T
madhu
I do not expect anybody to act on my writing. It’s kind of a bad joke to give advice to others. However, i do see I have been overwhelming here, one very bad side of me..I know it’s irritating. I am sorry about that and I will try to watch it.
Kavita, if you need space for your own expression, you could for example define awareness for Lokesh –or just write anything, anything at all.. madhu is doing it to the max, good for her.
Fresch.
Stop giving yourself such a bad time.
You make good contributions.
Glad you’re around.
Fresch , actually I do have a lot of space , from the time I learnt to write (in school) my writings have mostly been very concise & that trend continues . I do express whenever it happens & also since last August I have had an inner urge to lessen my internet presence , so I am more offline these days , its come down to hardly 2 hours a day maybe .
And about awareness , if you ask me , awareness is a lifelong process & to me at least at this moment is undefinable .
good night dear , had a long day with a friends who are leaving for Hamburg tomorrow .
Once the eyes get open, does it mean we will see only the shopping windows and the beautiful girls in the town; as an Indian what about the pigs sitting on the garbage, police constable beating the rickshaw puller!
It is one of the biggest Lollypop in the world of spirituality; there will be non stop music and intoxication and Ray Ban glasses with grass green shade!
(Notes of a Maharishi in Coma)
Shantam Maharaj becomes medical history. Yes, it’s a miracle. The first human being to write while brain dead. (who cares if nobody undersands what he is saying) Stay tuned and SN will keep you updated as the situation worsens.
According to Swami Gyan Bled, Sheela first met Osho when she herself was a teenager, and he in his early twenties.
This is the latest interview with Sheela published in Jan, 2014.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EhxwWZI7jHQ
I stuck it out for 1min 22secs, but then again I am very patient.
My first break at 48 seconds.
To wash this energy, I am going to kindgirls.com
I reached 42 seconds before it all became just too much….
What you should be asking yourselves is… How come Osho stuck it out so long with her? What was it he was seeing?
I don’t have the answer. I just have the question?
BV, Sheela apparently suited his purposes at the time. To quote JC, ‘ A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.’
Then we have to assume that the corruption was placed before us for a reason… Otherwise we have to conclude that the setup was corrupt all along… and which I am not buying.
My feeling is that we (including Sheela) didn’t realise how dragonian we had to become in order to fight the dragons.
Varti at his best.
Was a monumental opportunity. We could run away from that situation to do with power and status. Authority. Submission and aggression. Bully and victim; or stick around and learn something.
That time changed me, and the learning began in Poona 1,
I learned there was a place between bully and victim, but we have to, certainly in the early days, work for that place, work hard to hold that line.
Varti at his best? I doubt it.
The word corruption is an interesting one becuase it is a victim of one of its meanings…the process by which a word or expression is changed from its original state to one regarded as erroneous or debased.
Therefore one can deduce that corruption in a biblical sense has to do wih the word’s original meaning, which had to do with something going rotten.
BV declares, we have to assume that the corruption was placed before us for a reason.
Why? Like much else in life it may well have simply happened.
Corruption in this case must surely have been a gradual process. Therefore BV’s assumption that the setup would have to have been corrupt all along is a mistaken one and therefore there exists no need to buy it.
A perfectly healthy apple, uncorrupted, falls from the tree and is bruised. The bruise eventually rots and soon the worms get busy.
In much the same way power creates a bruise in the healthy psyche…the more power the greater the potential for bruising and, generally speaking, the conditions are made ripe for the rot to set in.
Sheela was, back in the day, cruising for a bruising and ended up with a battering. Hardly surprising then, with her steering the good ship Sannyas, that an element of corruption materialised.
It was a gradual process
Lokesh at his most predictable.
Never forget why we are here folks. For this man. For Osho.
Not to listen to the egotistical rationalising of Lokesh, who ran away from sannyas thirty five years ago, and is still trying to deny responsibility for his failure, whilst desperately trying to assert to us here, over and over again, how above it all he is, and that he is also the ultimate sannyassin
My name is Lokesh and I post here at Sannyas New, with its picture of Osho on the masthead, and have more to say than everybody else put together on the subject, because I have no interest in sannyas at all. and it’s all so boring.
LMAO
Well, Lokesh’s comments sound ok to me.
Jolly good.
I reckon Osho simply made a major error in appointing her, ie there was no ‘master plan’ to teach his people a lesson.
He and she were basically out of their depth in America and the result was nowhere near what he’d have ideally wanted.
Thus, a great experiment in a key sense wasted, a great opportunity lost.
‘Tragic’, at least to the idealistic mind, if it wasn’t for the fact that there are always some positives to take out of any failure, personal or collective; the lessons of Rajneeshpuram, including the implications of unquestioning subservience to authority, the corruption of power, and the dangers of inducing a cult-like mentality, being by now pretty well-known.
Another lesson, of course, is that it doesn’t matter one iota, as the individual can still seek the truth, if genuinely so inclined, huge commune as ‘example to the world’, or otherwise.
Yes, Arpana, “jolly good” indeed, eh?!
A huge part of what happened around Osho (In my view)is because he didnt say no to behavior, goings on, that the people who were around him had been forbidden to explore in their previous life., (Broadly speaking. ) which created a ripple effect. Introduced massive randomness; and IMO, up to a point, he did know what would happen, but not the specifics.
There was a game plan, and the escalating, randomness, essentially , in Christian terms , anyway, uncontrolledness; was part of it.
(When did you ever go to a great party, when something shitty didn’t happen as well. )
He exhorted us to let go, take a risk, take a chance, go to the edge,
and we did,. To do things we had be brought up to not do, to go against
our internalized authority figures.
Now we have to listen to ex sannyassins bitching because
he didnt micromanage the siuation to the last detail, and therefore hes a failure.
(He was so respectful of us he let us screw up.
Heuristic teaching I believe.)
Hey, SD, OK? Is that the best you can come up with to describe my sometimes dazzling comments.
Poor Arpana has had a bug up his yahoo about me for some time now.(Isn’t SN fun?) It’s only recently he’s built up the courage to be more open about it.
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Arpana says:
>> There was a game plan, and the escalating, randomness, essentially , in Christian terms , anyway, uncontrolledness; was part of it.
I remember reading somewhere that what happened on the ranch was exactly how the hippy revolution/experiment would have ended… on some huge commune riddled with corruption.
These days I don’t even see what happened as an experiment, because experiments can be duplicated…
At Varti.
Some people learned from the situation.
Osho is working for optimum effect, not perfect.
You are starting to sound like Dhyanrage, Arpana. Fundamentalistic. In respect to ‘failure’ I would be interested to hear your definition of success.
Having read numerous comments posted by you I suspect that you are someone who suffers from some form of weakness….spineless would be the best word I can come up with to encapsulate your condition. A bit of a sniper. Taking sneaky pot shots from that wee hidey hole of yours. Having been singled out as a potential target, I’m here to tell you that your am is way off the mark.
Quite fascinating, but ultimately, to coin your words, all so boring.
Yes You’re right.
My bad.
Just because you weren’t at the party doesn’t mean you don’t know more about what went on than anyone else.
I don’t see the behaviour of people (sannyasins?) here being at all cult-like, so either the brainwashing didn’t work or something else is going on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08
I’d enjoy being a fly on the wall, listening to a cosy chat between Sheela and Shantam Mahavishnu.(minus the orchestra)
fresh
– quoting you “…or just write anything, anything at all…madhu is doing it to the max…good for her”
well
who knows ? -
and well – you got consolation immediate – isn t it ?
and well
you HAVE another way as others to say “shut up”
when kavita stated (same thread) looking (in silence) about and through the
” so many ways to say “shut up”"
it has been a very decent way of comment to some (uncomfortable) truths
i would like to add too
that there are so many ways to hide a “shut up”in a seemingly rational or even positive looking statement
well
it is difficult not to get infected by a broad scale of hidden or open expressed violence – and – as a newcomer – more so
being fresh “food” so to say – in and for a group being for quite a while together this way.
the other day – i guess it was the editor – asked me “what does it mean to be “hacked”(when two postings of mine just disappeared into some (virtual abbuys
i didn t answer up to now because i could t believe it that somebody here does not know about private data hacking (stealing – pirate-ing) and by that is meant
organized criminal information-technics in political (NSA and associated unnumerous firms worldwide) which are on spying as bugging games to provide people with private datas whatsoever
to deal with these data ” as WE like it”
in a world where privacy is more and more disappearing as well as a confidence
that you can reach others of the same wavelengths
you knew as friends without being exposed to people
who are not well-wishing at all
what is the way to become or and to stay friends
or to share in the midst of all this ?
a question every moment has to be freshly answered or at least give it the best possible try (effort)
little morning prayers
as open clouds
i am watching
madhu
Well, it was Adi Loki’s question how to define awareness, not mine. Kavita, how interesting is your answer to anybody else? Is it well written and ”very concise”?
For me most often it’s better to let my river flow whatever direction. I do not mind being wrong or stupid or making mistakes, constipation is not my way at all. That’s also the reason why it does not take me 2 hours to write here. It’s spontaneous stuff.
Perhaps you kavita learn some new foreign language in hamburg, it’s always better in real life than in the school. It might give you a new identity as well.
And madhu, if it was possible to get connected, i would like it. Also it would be easier for me to read your posts if you did not put them in the form of poems. And any racial issues are not interesting for me without writer’s own contemplation or any background information, reason, urge to understand. Ithe same goes with unnecessary prejudice about people’s backgrounds here.
ps. still, I know i was being too much..
Titanic-the ultra modern ship of her time sinked because it collided with the iceberg or there was an over confidence or because of the cursed love affair on the ship.
Many times lotus paradise are left only with the mud.
Mahatma Lokesh, ” An evening with Sheela” is submitted to the editors. Evolution of the article will be appreciated.
Fresch , looks like neither of us is getting what the other is saying , anyway just to let you know , one thing for sure is , Iam not looking for any kind of identity new / old . Ciao !
arps, i love your photos.
kavita, it’s ok.
i am looking forward to reading shantam’s article about sheela. Sheela says in her book “Do not kill him”. It seems our sannyas Salier has just managed that. So, I am interested what she will say. and how is shantam’s experience about it.
MOD:
FRESCH, COULD YOU EXPAND ON WHAT “SHEELA SAYS”, PLEASE? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY “our sannyas Salier”?
And kavita, I almost never get things right away..but perhaps after a month in a supermarket..so
Golly, do you work at a checkout counter, Fresch. I’ll bet you get to meet lots of interesting people.
Mod and loki, this will actually need some time to contemplate.. So i will come back about this with shantam’s article..
Have any of you thought about going on anti-depressants? or visiting an exit counsellor? i hope you guys wake up
If you don’t come on this website again , I promise you , Nachobear , I ‘ll take an appointment with an entry / exit counsellor !
Make up your mind Nachobear, do you want us to wake up or go to sleep?
Nachobear, pass the spicy sauce. The dish you are serving is bland.
Who is Nachobear?
Man, woman or one of the other 51 gender types of facebook?
Who is Nachobear? Your dream girl. Furry.