Satyadeva writes:
It was just an ordinary day, filled with mundane tasks, nothing special going on (unless I tuned in to the problem-obsessed media) until I came across this short talk by the distinguished physicist Richard Feynam, which transformed my perceptions of our human reality, what we are and where we come from.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDcVqj5rceA
We did not exist before birth, after birth one becomes a queen bee called Osho Rajneesh and million others become servants, labourers, Facilitators etc.
After death, everyone gets a new life, Only Osho Rajneesh remains, Never Born Never Died.
We did not exist before birth but we exist post-demise, in one form or another.
So, Elon Musk is an idiot who is ignorant to the physics of traveling to Mars. And Feynman is an idiot for saying robots can lie in the dust for thousands of years and then get up… with what power source? I have never been the least bit interested in traveling to other planets. But as they say in Spanish, “en la viña del Señor hay de todo” (in the Lord’s vineyard there is everything).
Hi SD,
Here’s another video that will also transform your perceptions of our human reality….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-6ZAbPlxwQ
Thanks for that, Anubodh. Love seeing some of the great players of yesteryear.
Cheers, Anubodh, I’ve only just discovered the whole Arsenal squad of that time is portrayed there, I’d thought it was just Charlie George (mind you, that was impressive enough).
Yes, going through those youth-and-age scenes on the sofa is quite a lesson, clearly demonstrating transience, contrasting the condition of youth at its peak with our decidedly less glamorous common human fate, whatever our previous health, achievements or fame. It’s a little disturbing at times seeing the obvious physical (and in some cases, eg Bob Wilson) apparent psycho-physical) deterioration of the former players, despite the warmth of the encounters.
So, love, friendship, youth, age, past, present, life, death…
It was a great idea and beautifully constructed, a wonder of AI (how do they manage it? It’s mind-blowing to a tech ignoramus like me).
“en la viña del Señor hay de todo” (in the Lord’s vineyard there is everything). That is a literal translation. The more colloquial meaning in English might be: “It takes all kinds”, meaning the world contains a wide variety of diverse people with different behaviours, personalities and backgrounds, sannyasins, ex-sannyasins, advaitins, neo-advaitins, etc. etc. etc.
Unfortunately that’s not the kind of Spanish they teach you in Duolingo, which is where I spent some time brushing up a while ago… Feliz cumpleaños! Vamos!
Dear Friends,
Please keep an eye on this young man Shashi Vasudev. In his deepest beliefs, he is the reincarnation of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho) who “died” on 19.01.1990. In sannyas language, Master shri left the body and two years later landed on the earth in the form of Shashi.
Naturally, Indian sannyasins of Osho feel offended and disgusted by the presence of Shashi Vasudev. How come their ultimate flowering gets rebirth and that too in the form of Shashi, whose mental balance is not in a perfect shape? I feel love and respect for Shashi. His perception could be right or not, he is one old, well-travelled soul.
One thing I can say without hesitation, Shri Osho Rajneesh most probably could not cross the threshold of earth. His karma record got defected after a super good start…
Presence of Shashi Vasudev must be looked upon as a wonder of life and death. His thought about himself must be investigated.
I feel revolted by the Sannyas cult also for the reason that past life stuff they sold in wholesale, and here they run away like rats, and simply ridicule the claim of Shashi Ji. At least the family members of Shri Rajeesh Jain who are in business must visit Shashi and enquire about his well-being.
Even someone fails in the past life or this life, he still deserves love.
Fallen angels and wounded hearts need caring….
https://www.facebook.com/shashijhathedude
Yes, yes, Shashi looks like Osho as a young chap, but even more importantly, Shashi has over 7,000 followers on Facebook. It’s a miracle.
Feynman was an extraordinary physicist, it was said if you had an impossible-looking problem in physics you could either spend years trying to figure it out, or you could ask Feynman. But he did die in 1988, before the 1989 date mentioned in the video for some of the theories mentioned – isn’t it amazing what AI can do?
That’s not to say that the text that was being spoken is without value, on the contrary it is a fair summary of some of the earlier consciousness research. A good book on the subject would be Michael Pollan’s ‘A World Appears: A Journey into Consciousness’ published earlier this year, in which these and more recent ideas get talked about at length.
Yes, it is AI. Note the slightly Australian accent.
Where did you come from is not that important.
Fundamental question is where one goes after death.
My hypothesis is name change Europeans must get birth in India to see the complete picture.
Every action has the consequences, you wear Indian names, you deserve to be an Indian. Your seeds are your Trees!
Shantam declares, ‘”The fundamental question is where one goes after death.”
This so-called fundamental question has so many givens taken for granted it is like a labyrinth with no clear answer at the exit, if one happens to find such an exit.
4Shantam suggests, “Europeans must get birth in India to see the complete picture.” Highly ironic considering that Shantam does not seem to possess a clear picture of anything, and he was born in India. The idea that India is special in spiritual terms had pretty much reached its sell-by date in 1969.
If it is indeed true that ‘cleanliness is next to godliness’, India must come in at the bottom of the list of dirty places to live because it is a filthy country; that is, of course, generally speaking.
Shantam cynically draws the following absurd conclusion: “If you wear Indian names, you deserve to be an Indian. Your seeds are your Trees!”
I wonder if he has been tasting this year’s crop of magic mushrooms in Freiburg im Breisgau, as he makes his way to church to listen to another boring sermon from the rev.
Swami Lokesh,
Most of the time I go to the empty church or when there are hardly a few people sitting silently.
It is observed, people who have listened too much to Shri Osho Name Changer are hooked with excitement in the words, a kind of Porn quality.
Surely a farmer who sows popcorns becomes a pop star of the season, villages go through starvation.
One Charismatic manipulator destroys the generation around him.
Thanks to God, one day all die and restart.
I kind of doubt whether Osho destroyed the generation around him, Shantam. The largest movement of thoughts and desires in this age seems to be economic. Houses have become so expensive compared to the median income that for many of Gen Z a house and a family feels out of reach.
Osho encouraged people to drop all of that measuring, to instead live together in freedom, love, celebration. He set many people’s feet on the spiritual path by talking about meditation and the peaks of consciousness. That is a very good thing.
I think the end of Rajneeshpuram, the World Tour, and what happened after that in how sannyasins were denied the opportunity to come to Poona 2 were in a way an attack by those in power on those following the enlightened man. That idea, the Buddha, the awakened one…it upsets the capitalist ideal, the point of private property and the primacy of money. It tells you there is more to this life than the accumulation of numbers in a bank account.
Especially the young people today need to hear this, to know the richness that meditation, art, celebration can bring to life.
Shantam says, “Where did you come from is not that important.
Fundamental question is where one goes after death.”
It seems to me they are probably not different places. If we can find out how a baby becomes conscious, it will teach us a great deal about what consciousness is and where we go after death.
Consider the stages of a baby’s growth. It begins as a fertilised egg cell in the womb, there is not much evidence of consciousness there. By the time it is a foetus and spending nine months asleep there maybe a head with a small brain, perhaps the level of brain activity of a squirrel. The process of brain development takes place largely outside the womb, after the birth and during the first few years of life.
Babies don’t do a lot during the first few months. They also don’t have many reflexes beyond sucking nipples and gripping to hold on. It is debatable when consciousness shows up.
I recall hearing from various apparent authorities that a being/soul is attracted to a particular womb at the moment of conception. But I wonder what happens when multiple souls are attracted to the same womb. Do they fight it out (lol) or does politeness rule, as in “After you, mate, your need’s greater than mine – and anyway I’ve got plenty of time.” Or perhaps it’s very often a purely random affair.
Although I suspect this is a mysterious area where our attempts at rational explanations are probably well wide of the mark.
Dear Shantam, you have certainly changed your tune in regards Osho. Not so long ago you were singing his praises. Now the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction. Tick tock. It’s all in your mind.
I was recently asked whether I believe in reincarnation.
I considered the question and came to the conclusion that there are better things to consider. I have been listening to people talk about such matters for 60 years. It is all so many words. It is very human to try and neatly package a mystery, to avoid delivering a heartfelt, “I really do not know.” That is something I admire about the Dalai Lama….he says he does not know when he does not know the answer to a question.
Dalai Lama does not know about reincarnation.
How he was chosen or how Mr Next Lama gets chosen?
Those who were quoting Bible, their children started quoting Bhagwan/Osho. Now Dalai Lama is in fashion.
Why we quote Professional Preachers?
“How he was chosen or how Mr Next Lama gets chosen?”
Word on the street is next will be Mrs. Next Lama.
I recently listened to a wee talk from the Dalai Lama about what exactly gets reborn.
Shantam was probably hurriedly unwrapping a LIDL’s frozen beef pie when he wrote the above comment.
Lokesh, even in the ripe old age, you need teachers to quote.
What is this hunger to listen to this or that professional preacher?
Are not these preachers having tunnel vision?
Surely pupils of doomed Osho Mystery School are lost!
Looking at the vast ocean around, Let One Rishi Lokesh arise.
I hope thousands of Oshos and Sadgurus.
These gentlemen were not falling from the sky!
His Holiness Shantam writes, “Lokesh, even in the ripe old age, you need teachers to quote.”
I have no idea why this unfounded statement is addressed to me. I’m not really in the habit of quoting anyone.
Could it be that all that aspartame Shantam has been swallowing for years is affecting his brain?
Please address your replies to PO Box 666, Freiburg im Breisgau. Home of the frozen beef pie.
In India there is a saying, ‘Shouting at the daughter, sending indirect message to the daughter-in-law.’
I know, Lokesh, you quote sehr Seldom.
I would try to get one frozen beef pie. I am one of those Indians in Germany, who eat all that Germans eat.
MOD:
“…you quote sehr Seldom” – meaning, please, Shantam?
Shantam means ‘very’ seldom.
Indians are more and more incarnating here.
Lately a Sikh brought me a pizza.
It’s called Call-a-Pizza.
It was an annoying listen, as the AI speech was too fast, but Richard was a great man, exploring as he did in ways that many other scientists refused to follow. I couldn’t listen to the whole lecture, but I hope I got a sense of it.
I was given the question of “where was I before I was born” many years ago, and I’ve asked others the same question. In particular I’ve suggested it to people I’ve met, new to “spirituality” or others who appear somewhat materialistic and closed.
Either way the question has power.
It’s unanswerable by the mind, yet if we allow the question to settle it takes us into a place of mystery, beyond our everyday sense of who we are.
For materialists it’s a stupid question, worthy of dismissal. For them consciousness is simply a material evolutionary journey and whilst we can’t explain fully consciousness or questions of life and death, we one day will. In the meantime questions like this are irrelevant.
If I have ever continued to explore the question with this sort of person, they’ve usually got annoyed with me, or walked away.
It’s understandable in some ways because the question does act in a singular way, directly, with a force to push the mind into an experience of mystery. It takes away the known and allows the unknown to enter. It acts in this direct way to show you that Life and death are far more mysterious than our rational minds recognise.
Of course, not everyone will experience this, because we’ve been so smart and clever and ridiculing questions like this.
You may have seen parents despair at their children who ask the question “Why” in a repetitive manner. Why is the sun hot? Why did the sun get there? And so on.
Their “Why?” question hints at a deep wondering as to the real reason behind everything that as adults we have dismissed as just too scary to explore. For adults it can be annoying but for children it is a real question, worthy of answer.
“Where was I before I was born?” remains elusive and yet deeply rewarding and expansive, and for me keeps raising new and wonderful insight and questions about the nature of death, NDEs, reincarnation, the Matrix, alien consciousness and more.
At its simplest and at its most direct it takes me into a place of mystery and in many ways acts as my anchor to my whole life.
Lokesh says:
5 October, 2026 at 11:18 am
response:
These memoirs are more honest, authentic, humane than the cult of Osho, I call that Meditation Mafia.
I read Jane Stork’s ‘Breaking the Spell’ after Shantam highly recommended the book.
I rated it about 6 out of 10 on the reading scale. Jane just swallowed a lot of bullshit and acted on it, producing alarming results. A wee bit bonkers and easily led is the impression she left on me. How could someone be so stupid? Joining a spiritual cult helped cultivate the stupidity.
We existed before, we will exist afterwards.
We don´t remember in which form we existed, we don´t decide which form we will take.
Once there was an Indian guru named Rajneesh. When at the age of 40 he saw an 18 years younger, petite, sweet British girl, he created a story: “You were existing in the past life as an Indian girl of my village. You are reborn to get the lost love in me. See, your past life lover is on the way to become World Master in Neo Spirituality.”
No one knows what oneself or others were before birth. Every story is a fiction to manipulate.
Indian Gurus and their high school drop-out foreigners are gold medallists in the past life seminars!
What a load of nonsense. Shantam, you are starting to sound like someone with a very large chip on their shoulder.
You conclude, “Indian Gurus and their high school drop-out foreigners are gold medallists in the past life seminars!” Apart from being untrue, this statement carries a note of resentment. What exactly are you so pissed off about?
Dear Lokesh, you can see note of resentment in my statement but not the obvious lies and manipulations by one of your gurus.
I had a notion, westerners are very truth-appreciating people. It seems by changing names some westerners become like Indians.
Indians and truth: it changes colours according to the seasons.
Most of the readers and writers on this site are lifelong sannyasins or disillusioned ones, like this post writer.
Let me ask one simple question:
Do you still believe Shri Rajneesh aka Osho´s story about Vivek/Nirvano´s past life is a fact, or a fiction to serve multiple purposes of the Master?
I almost always thought that story about Vivek was a load of hokum. A simple case of giving people what they wanted. To be completely honest, there was a time when I wanted to believe in such stories…a relatively short-lived period of my life.
That was one of Osho’s tricks to keep people hooked. A guru will enjoy success if he tells his disciples it is cool to do and believe in any old nonsense. Fuck your way to God kind of scenario. That is why everyone had so much fun in Poona One. You had to be stupid not to enjoy it.
When “Fuck your way to God” kind of scenario is created, time has shown God fucks on the ass and prints remain forever.
Shameless people still go on bragging, they tried their level best to fuck their way to God.
Shame repentance, remorse are not in the system of psychopaths and alpha males.
Truth and falsehood in Osho’s world is somewhat of a nebulous concept. Perhaps it was true on some level, that there was a connection. What exactly that connection was is hard to say, but Osho gave words to it, a story, a shape…
About the Buddha there are also many stories told about his past lives, collectively these are known as the Jataka Tales. Scholars don’t consider them true, but scholars are very serious people. For ordinary folks, the Jataka Tales contain favourite stories, less serious than what the scholars pursue…
Shantam, if you are free then you don’t care if the Vivek-story is true or not.
Seems you feel betrayed by Osho.
Still waiting for enlightenment?
Satchit, enlightenment also means when you can see the blindness of three-eyed people.
Rajneesh brand of Enlightenment was never my attraction. I was fascinated by a single fact, how thousands of people from the world are coming to India by listening the call of Bhagwan Shree.
As an Indian, it was a pivotal moment to feel we are giving something to the world.
Disillusioned I became to see immense corruption of Master and his cronies.
No one has cheated humanity with clean sweep as Mr. Rajneesh Jain. His last cheating is to die with a name change.
Utterly coward and clever he was.
Shantam claims, “No one has cheated humanity with clean sweep as Mr. Rajneesh Jain.”
Really, Shantam, you are being ridiculous…as usual.
Sad to see that you are so disillusioned with Osho, Shantam.
I’ve read many of the same memoirs as you, and also a few more positive ones, and I feel Osho’s energy is still a good and beautiful thing in the world.
“Utterly coward and clever he was.”
I see, Shantam, he did not behave as you wanted him to behave.
And the other ugly crime he did was that he changed names.
Just read the new article by SD, somehow felt & thought to share here, due to this timing.
By chance, my cousin, we share the same first name, same year of birth & the same college in Bombay too & have been very close with each other till now and have always shared a close relation with her now ex-husband & their children too.
She shared an insta post with me on WhatsApp, which her colleague had shared with her, about her son’s book launch in Poona. Btw, she & I don’t have an insta account.
In 2019 this son Raphael wanted to file a case against his parents for having him, and he featured on BBC News. Btw, both his parents are lawyers at the Bombay High Court!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47154287
Now I am wondering if this very keyboard I am clicking wanted to be born & where it was before being born!
It is the mailman’s last day on the job, and he is feeling mixed emotions. On the one hand he is glad to be retiring, but on the other hand he will miss seeing the beautiful young married woman he has fancied for the last few years.
He is shocked and delighted when she opens her door for this last time, wearing a see-through gown, and invites him in. She drags him up to the bedroom and makes passionate love to him.
Afterwards she cooks him a delicious breakfast. When he is about to leave, the young woman goes to her purse, takes out a dollar bill and gives it to him. “I don’t understand,” says the satisfied mailman. “You are going to pay me as well?”
“It was my husband’s idea,” the woman explains, “when I told him you were retiring and suggested we give you something, he said, “Screw him, give him a dollar.”
#”The breakfast,” she adds proudly, “was my idea.”
Shantam declares, “It seems by changing names some westerners become like Indians.”
It might seem like that to Shantam, but after looking at the situation over decades, I cannot say that is true. Besides, if somebody wants to use an Indian name, what business is it of Shantam’s? It is nobody else’s business, and in the greater scheme of things, it does not amount to very much.
That’s just so brilliantly appropriate, NP!
A good joke is never wasted
It seems to me that Western people think they know and understand a great deal, whereas they could really do with a little more humility and respect. There are more forces in existence than those that material science knows about.
The whole mystery of how Osho gathered his people is a case in point. Why did some people like my father feel called, on seeing Osho’s photo in black and white in a cheap magazine? So much so that it drastically changed the course of his life?
NP writes, “The whole mystery of how Osho gathered his people is a case in point. Why did some people like my father feel called, on seeing Osho’s photo in black and white in a cheap magazine? So much so that it drastically changed the course of his life?”
If dissected, Osho’s popularity was not a mystery. He was in the right place at the right time. And with careful planning and gimmickry, he drew crowds of disenchanted Westerners to his feet. Indians were also attracted in droves, because his talks on sex were a bombshell in India’s repressed society. Osho’s right-hand woman, Laxmi, had innovative ideas, like wearing malas, orange clothes and name changes. Many, looking for a positive change, joined the club.
NP enquires, “Why did some people like my father feel called, on seeing Osho’s photo in black and white in a cheap magazine?”
Osho was very photogenic and a real poser. In Goa in 1973, it was Osho’s hypnotic eyes in a photo that hooked me. My generation was going through an upheaval in those shifting times. The hippy dream was broken and a ship of fools was capsizing in a sea of unsupportable excess. People were willing to clutch at any straw to stop themselves from drowning in those turbulent waters. Osho was no straw; he was a beautiful island offering hope and salvation, and all we had to do was surrender. It was a no-brainer with lots of sex, fun and meditation thrown in for good measure.
Of course, it changed people’s lives drastically. Surrendering to a guru is very tempting, bona fide or not. The act of surrendering brings with it the relief of dropping responsibility for oneself. Hard to resist when Big Brother will take care of everything for us. The human need to surrender to authority is very deep-seated, especially when the authoritarian figure appears to know all the answers to life’s deeper questions and is dressed like a biblical patriarch who namastes everywhere he meets people with the hint of enlightenment on his smiling lips. It was all so delicious it was impossible not to swallow the whole highly energetic show.
I will leave you with a few lines from a David Bowie song:
“Someone to claim us, someone to follow
Someone to shame us, some brave Apollo
Someone to fool us, someone like you
We want you Big Brother, Big Brother.”
I see. An explanation for everything, that is how the logical mind functions, by dissecting and seeking simple answers. That way leads to materialism and depression, not wisdom.
I think there is more to the world, things that are beyond explanation or psychology. If you are open to existence, and do not always follow the logical road but instead allow your intuition to lead you, you may find great experiences and vistas beyond what you have known or expected.
Living in tune with existence is in a way living a life of surrender, but I think to have people surrender to Osho was never his goal. He was a bit of a rascal for putting his own photo in the mala, that much is true, but most of his sannyasins were his people where he did little to interfere. It was the hierarchy of the commune and all the stuff that grew out of that that tried to guide sannyasins’ lives, and that proved an impossibility.
Thanks for the photo.
NP, whose Sannyasin parents did a fantastic job of brainwashing him, says, “I think to have people surrender to Osho was never his goal.”
Osho says, ‘”That which you don’t have and you think that you have, has to be surrendered to me. You don’t really have the ego, the I, the self. You don’t have it really. You are living in a kind of illusion that you are separate from existence. That separation is not there. You cannot live for a single split moment as separate. You cannot live like an island. You are part of the whole. The whole goes on participating in your being, the whole goes on showering you with its energy, but you have the idea that “I am separate.” That ‘I’ has to be surrendered to me. And you don’t have it, so you will not be really surrendering something to me, just an illusion. Let me repeat: that which you don’t have, I want to take it away from you.”
As far as I remember he made no distinction between surrender to Him and surrender to the organization. So whatever happened was His will. And the sannyasins had to deal with the situation. Surrender more or leave!
And be a light to yourself.
Btw, re “moral compass”:
Is life moral? No.
Morality is a concept.
Sachit, you are spot on here. _/\_
Often we left, mainly when we didn’t have enough money to stay longer, or needed a new passport or visa. It was a turbulent time, rarely staying in one place longer than six months.
So it was more like a temporary surrender, and the rest of the time live in the outside world as best as you could.
Backpedalling means someone makes a bold claim, receives criticism, and then back‑pedals by changing or weakening their stance.
So? Surely you’re not so wound up in your ego that you consider these things actually important?
It’s a good one, Kavita. The expression ‘After eating nine hundred rats the cat goes on a pilgrimage’is a Hindi proverb that conveys a moral about hypocrisy and self-deception. It suggests that after committing severe wrongs, a person may attempt to appear innocent or virtuous by performing good deeds as a cover-up for their past actions. This proverb implies that such behaviour is insincere and often serves to conceal one’s true intentions or actions.
Lokie,
Yes, a Hindi saying/proverb, can’t agree with “often serves to conceal one’s true intentions or actions.” Maybe in this case, instead of “true”, one’s past actions. Somehow maybe this hypocrisy & self-deception includes all 0f us too, if I can say so!
Kavita, collectively, I’d rather say we have come a long way.
Even taking into consideration that, in essence, we never came or went anywhere. As the Beedie Wallah said, “You are not in the world, the world is in you.”
So far, so good, and I am enjoying life to the fullest.
Agree with you in toto now .
Lokesh, it is only you enjoying life to the fullest or there are a few hundred more in the vast humanity?
PS:
Above is a question, also a humour!
“Lokesh, it is only you enjoying life to the fullest or there are a few hundred more in the vast humanity?”
I’ve no idea. It’s none of my business.
I’m not convinced we have come a long way.
People around here still think in terms of the socially adjusted, who contribute to society. People are being asked to internalise society’s rules, to carry them around in your head, rather than to live as a free and independent person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajJA5HkV1A0&list=RDajJA5HkV1A0&start_radio=1
The Sannyas founder must have got the idea of dance your way to…from the ancient traditions…
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1Dy8xena5g/
Once a neo zen master said, “Before birth we come from nowhere, after death we go to nowhere.
Still we all are born to die and live as a queen bee or worker bees to produce honey.”
Some disciple asked, “Honey for whom?”
For the ‘moon in myself’.
Nice Zen poetry, Kavita.
I am born, I will die to find the ‘moon in myself’.
PS:
Thank God, this process was financed by the elders or the tax-payers!
Even the most devout Indian saints risk temptation when in close proximity to Western women. Perhaps these saints need to experience a rebirth in the West to develop an immunity to such beauty, allowing them to successfully navigate these trials of desire in a subsequent life in India….
Everyone of us is always born, always dies.
Exceptions exist, mostly in folklore!
As one believes, so the world will appear.
Actually, Shantam, remembered it, maybe it’s from The Fourth Way (GG)…Yes, it does sound poetic & thank your God for all of humanity.
(Which, for both of us, includes our elders & tax-payers!).
PS:
Needed to know if Indian central government pension is tax-payer funded money. Turns out it’s not, thank Shantam’s God!
PS
Those who sell drugs it is their job, those who sell beliefs & meditations it is their source of livelihood.
They don’t care a damn about long-term effects.
Consumers of drugs and meditation feel a momentary peace or euphoria but destroy their brain cells through artificial high.
Meditation-based gurus and drug mafias have their own ill-gotten empire.
It is time to expose the blunders of holy-looking people who play godly contractors; and make others dependent and snatch their human dignity by creating sentimental slaves.
We the people of a meditation cult are the text book’s cases. If honest, we can see our traps and engagements with a man who is no more alive, but the impact: guru trap!
Shantam, one of your most total comments ever. Total nonsense!
For years, whenever I see Russell Brand in the news, it reminds me of the Swamis from name-change cult. His energy and overall behaviour strongly parallel the white Swamis of Osho Rajneesh during his lifetime.
In hindsight, Osho and his followers were fortunate not to face the level of public scrutiny that exists today. It is interesting to imagine how that Neo- Sannyas scene would be perceived in this current age of awakening collective consciousness.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/oct/14/russell-brand-was-ruthless-calculated-and-manipulative-sexual-predator-court-told
Shantam declares, “It is interesting to imagine how that Neo- Sannyas scene would be perceived in this current age of awakening collective consciousness.”
Shantam can imagine all he wants, but it is stretching it to the breaking point to describe the time we live in as being home to an “awakening collective consciousness.”
If that were so, then the genocide in Gaza would not have happened, or been allowed to happen, not to mention residents in Kyiv having to put up with Cruise missiles flying through their living room windows. How does that compare to the sad case of Russell Brand? It does not. The guy has been a thorn in the side of the status quo for years. Now he is in the stocks with rotten eggs hitting him in the face. Going by the description of his alleged crimes, nothing that happened at Osho’s communes compares in terms of gravity.
Shantam’s attempts to paint Osho and the people involved with him black has reached ridiculous proportions. Any old excuse to use his tarry brush will do. Shantam’s swing of the pendulum is a prime example of someone completely identified with his seesaw mind. One day it is this, the next it is that. Paint it black.
“I look inside myself and see my heart is black
I see my red door, I must have it painted black
Maybe then I’ll fade away and not have to face the facts
It’s not easy facing up when your whole world is black.”
Lokesh, let us go to any Psychiatric clinic for our psychological evolution. The person who has less cognitive capacity pays the bill. In my case, I add 101 euros as a congratulatory gesture.
I think you are more or less of the generation of late Rajneesh Jain.
The ethics of truth and lies were not fully developed, and also the education.
Rajneesh Jain completed his masters in Psychology at the age of 26 from a little known university, and pretended as if it was Oxford or Yale.
As a spiritual guru talking nonsense about Sex and its tantric transformation and molesting plus/minus 30 followers is a crime for hell-fire.
I am so astonished how little educated males of Sannyas treat this as nothing serious!
Name-changer Shantam meant:
“Rajneesh Jain completed his masters in Psychology at the age of 26 from a little known university, and pretended as if it was Oxford or Yale.”
It was not Psychology, it was Philosophy.
Shantam, your oftentimes shallow take on Osho says more about you than it does about him. I could not give a fuck one way or another.
Osho gave me a lot of much-needed help when I was in need of it. That time ended 45 years ago. Ancient fucking history! I write on here when I’m taking a break from working on paintings. That is the extent of it.
You say, “I think you are more or less of the generation of late Rajneesh Jain.” Yeah, incredible insight full of shite. Better nip out to LIDL and buy some lavvy paper.
Was reminded of a Premchsnd story which was taught in school,
‘Pagal Hathi’(‘The Mad Elephant’) is a well-known children’s short story by the legendary Hindi-Urdu author Munshi Premchand.
Synopsis in English
• The Elephant Moti: The story centers on Moti, a massive and intelligent elephant who belongs to the royal stable of a king (Raja Saheb). Moti is normally gentle, obedient, and clever.
• The Sudden Madness: Occasionally, Moti’s temper flares up, and he goes into a state of blind frenzy. During these episodes, he loses all sense of reason and refuses to obey his mahout (elephant keeper).
& The story till now….
MOD:
What’s the point of the final line, please, Kavita?
Kavita:
MOD, I left a little room for some wondering, if possible!
Satyadeva, you have started this article.
What is your take about space before this life and next life if you think a bit about reincarnation theory?
That is exactly the problem — thinking about reincarnation theory. All that is confabulation by too many minds.
It seems to me we are part of Existence, like the waves are part of the sea. Just as our bodies are recycled to become part of the earth again, so our minds and souls too are part of the great whole. We arise, and eventually return to just simple Being, like a musical string expressing a note and returning to silence. This much is clear just from looking at the world around us.
I feel Osho was wise to say, take nothing seriously. I hope when my time comes to go out with a great belly laughter.
Before this life? Next life? As Ramesh Balsekar said: “Who Cares?”
My body spent 40 minutes in a small tube today while the MRI machine took pictures of a kidney. It is possible I won’t live to 80, but it has been a full, rich (not monetarily!), and adventurous life.
Osho gave me the name Samarpan, which means surrendered. Unlike the English word “surrender”—which can imply being conquered, forced, or giving up out of fear—Samarpan (a state of being surrendered) arises voluntarily from trust, love, and devotion.
There is only gratitude for having known Osho and having travelled with him for 45 years.
Death is the natural end of duality. No regrets. No fears. Only gratitude!
A joke for you…
Hamish MacTavish and his wife Maggie have never been flying, so at the local Air Show they decide to take a ride in a small open aircraft.
They are just climbing into the back of the plane when the pilot asks for the fare, which is twenty pounds.
“Twenty pounds?” screams MacTavish, “That is ridiculous, it is far too much!”
“Okay,” says the pilot, “I will make a deal with you. If you can complete this ride without opening your mouth I won’t charge you a penny. But if you make a sound you pay me double!”
Hamish agrees, and they take off. As soon as they are in the air, the pilot starts to loop the plane, flies upside down, sideways, and gives a whole display of aerobatics.
When they land again, the pilot says over his shoulder, “Well sir, you win. I never thought you would be able to go through all that without opening your mouth!”
“It was not easy,” admits MacTavish, “especially when my wife fell out!”
Samarpan writes, “Before this life? Next life? As Ramesh Balsekar said: “Who Cares?””
It’s a good question. Ha-ha! It is an endless topic that I have very little time for.
Somebody asked the Master:
“Beloved Master, what will be after death?”
“How can I know, I am a living Master.”
“Never Born Never Died” was not dictated by the master but holy ghost, his alter ego, or by the Meditation Mafia!
When a living master dies, then what?
He surely dies like everyone else!
You, as an Indian, must know.
“Never Born Never Died” is not from Holy Ghost but by Indian Guru Meher Baba.
…
Shantam, that is a very cynical response. It is as if you have an aversion to meditation.
I have no aversion to meditation or similar tools. My aversion is to over-simplification of life and over-hyped claims.
I have a deep aversion to the style and bad influence of Name-Change guru.
That no more alive man claiming to be greatest after Buddha and that then Buddha´s soul entered his body; Master died with degraded brain.
I wish his influence is reduced. If I write hard words, it also means I care for you more than the dead professionals.
Please appreciate your roots, the wise persons from western civilization, like Marcus Aurelius.
Only pigs eat everything and anything. That is why eating pigs is considered dirty. Osho´s deception and cleverness has made all his followers a bit sick. Food Poisoning of a kind.
Shantam, you sound like you need to get over something. Unresolved issues and so forth.
Thank you, Shantam, thanks for mentioning Marcus Aurelius.
Osho mostly mentioned about such beings where he would appreciate them but would have something negative to say (for many of his ardent listeners). Somehow for me, whenever this happened, I was curious to know about this through my experience rather than his words. Then somehow I think & feel maybe that was his real intention, for us to experience first-hand.
Btw, not all pigs eat anything & everything!
Do you think that is really true, Kavita? I remember many discourses where he said overwhelmingly positive things about the Buddha, Lao Tse, Kabir, Rumi, and others.
NP, the ones you are mentioning are the ones he loved totally…which probably means were his favourites. There is a Hindi discourse in ‘Maro hey jogi maro’ series, where he is asked about his favourite mystics/enlightened beings, where he mentions 12, then he narrows down to 7, then finally to the 5, whom, he says, he cannot leave at any cost.
In another discourse, maybe these are in English, he says there are a few like Marcus Aurelius & Rabindranath Tagore, were close to enlightenmt.
You can AI Google for this.
Yes, he makes fun of the Pope and the Shankaracharyas, and in a few places he says not very complimentary things about Mohammed. But for the overwhelmingly large part when talking about enlightened beings he is very positive. Zen masters like Joshu and Hyakujo, poets like Ikkyu, Sufis like Junnaid and Al-Hillaj Mansur, he praises them all.
In one discourse he says, “I don’t speak much on teachers where I cannot say anything good about them.” And this was part of what he did for his disciples, holding up all these examples of spiritual advancement, trying to lure his disciples into taking the next step…
Yes, NP, about ”And this was part of what he did for his disciples, holding up all these examples of spiritual advancement, trying to lure his disciples into taking the next step….”
He spoke negatively about S.N Goenka’s Vipassana, somehow that made me go for it & Iam glad I went for it. Somehow, very soon after sannyas, I didn’t like hearing about him or my fellow-travellers giving ‘to do / not to do’ recommendations, unless it was also my own experience. Guess I / many like me tend to do what we need / want to do & don’t regret any of that!
Dear Lokesh,
Don´t you think Meditation Mafia bosses are also born and die with unresolved issues?
Only the high-class idiots remain in a happy state because they think they don´t have unresolved issues.
In between, I am talking with one of the first five western girls who reached Bombay to Acharya Rajneesh. Now in her 80s, she tells about those “little” things, which must have made O R the most powerful psychic of our times!
Unfortunately, he or his people could not sustain Burj Khalifa of make-belief substance.
MOD:
Shantam, please explain the last line!
“Unfortunately, he or his people could not sustain Burj Khalifa of make-belief substance.”
The Burj Khalifa is a skyscraper in Dubai. Taking that into account, I suppose Shantam means that Osho’s people and the disgraced master himself could not maintain the lofty ideal of enlightenment, after Osho’s hanky-panky in the middle of the night entered the mainstream and lay in direct contradiction to what he had been preaching for decades…or something like that.
Some intellectuals think projecting perpetual unhappiness is the new cosmic intelligence!
HI Shantam,
I have never met anyone whom I would describe as “a meditation mafia boss.” It sounds ridiculous to me. If one wants to meditate, the how-to information is readily available to everyone.
That’s the beauty of meditation. It is just you and the universe with infinite dimensions to explore within. It is nobody else’s business.
I do not really understand your gripe with all things Osho. I cannot believe he would have asked you directly to get involved with him. How could he? You never met the man. It is your trip, and that trip exists in your mind. A mind trip. Ho-hum.
As for the high-class idiots, you are deceiving yourself. I have met many high-class idiots; none of them seemed particularly happy to me.
Unresolved issues, yes, I suppose we all harbour them. When one starts projecting those issues onto another person, I would say you have a problem. This can be viewed as being childish in a certain light.
I guess Shantam wanted to become an Indian Guru in Germany. But the Meditation Maffia Bosses did not allow him. The result was frustration.
So you would say that Shantam is projecting his own unresolved issues onto Osho? Interesting, and possibly insightful. I would also ask, perhaps Shantam seeks out SannyasNews in an attempt to come to grips with what he once saw in Osho, but has now slipped into an entirely negative mode of thinking.
I believe that Shantam’s projection onto Osho has more to do with disappointment than anything else. In the early days, Shantam was very inspired by Osho and that inspiration has now been eroded by all the reports of materialism and philandering with female disciples in a manner that lay in stark contrast with Osho’s public image.
Shantam lives in Europe but remains an Indian at heart. India has seen countless gurus stagger down a similar path as Osho, and then the scandal kicks in.
Many of us have had to come to terms with Osho’s hypocritical conduct. I dealt with it by reminding myself of wonderful times in Poona One, when Osho appeared bona fide and capable of performing miracles. It is all water down the Ganges now, and apart from writing on SN I rarely think about those bygone days.
Without doub, I was very impressed by the articulate discourses of Shri Rajneesh like thousands of others in their 20s.
It was a matter of great pride that someone from India has attracted the young and alive from the Wes, that India is also giving something to the world.
I wanted to be the part of that new world order envisioned by Shri Bhagwan Human Shree Rajneesh aka Osho; the name-change guru.
In a proverbial way, being the only son of two sets of parents (I was adopted by my maternal grandparents) I have put all the eggs in one basket; the idea of a global commune.
In 1986, one Hindi newspaper started serial publication of Huge Milne´s book, ‘The God that Failed’. The Hindi title was ‘Yeh Kaisa Bhagwan?’ (What kind of Bhagwan?).
In a mid-level city, Karnal, my family was quite known. Many people asked me, “Are you reading what is being written by your Bhagwan?”
My answer, the usual cult answer, blamed the whistleblower.
Now when I have read the hard copy four decades later, I can say for sure, Master was on the wrong track from the days of Bombay. A 41 years old middle-aged Indian guru could not contain his lust to see gullible innocent European Beauties.
Rajneesh was a narcissistic psychopath capable of impressing people.
His downfall in all the dimensions is a classic example of ‘you cannot trick all the time all the people.’
Divine prudence helped humanity to drown Neo-Sannyas like a paper boat. The pilot and his team were of low character!
What kind of a coward could allow his closest woman to be cremated in the darkness of the night, no one in the world should ever know, otherwise it will be bad press.
Years later, when I look back with more maturity, my understanding of law has helped to find out who was the Boss of the Meditation Mafia.
It hurts to see how power corrupts when there are no checks and balances.
I don´t think Osho Rajneesh is in the league of Buddha, Mahavira, Jesus, Mohammed and all the other names he was throwing.
He was the man to use each and everything for his own gratification.
PS:
It is still not too late to be a seeker of truth rather than being a sentimental fool adoring a man who is no more alive, must be somewhere in some life!
The cosmos gives us all a tumble-wash!
Yes, Shantam, everybody has his own Bhagwan/Osho Story.
For example, I never read this Milne book. Why should I?
Something was brewing inside me since a few days, felt & thought to share here.
In this tumble-wash, this came up =!
MONOTONY / SOLITUDE CREATES BOREDOM, GUESS ULTIMATELY EITHER THERE IS ENLIGHTENMENT OR SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH, BOTH ARE ESSENTIAL FOR HUMANITY
BOREDOM + PLEASURE = REPRODUCTION = LIFE / LOVE
BOREDOM + DISCOVERY = SCIENCE
BOREDOM + CREATIVITY = ART / DANCE / LITERATURE
BOREDOM + CURIOSITY + SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH = PHYSICAL HEALING / MEDICAL KNOWLEDGE
BOREDOM + ENGINEERING = UTILITY & LIVELIHOOD
BOREDOM + CREATIVITY = ENTERTAINMENT
NO BOREDOM = NO LIFE
PURE BOREDOM = COSMIC INTELLIGENCE / ENLIGHTENMENT
NO LIFE = NO COSMIC INTELLIGENCE / NO ENLIGHTENMENT
COSMIC INTELLIGENCE / ENLIGHTENMENT IS LIFE IN ITS TOTALITY, WHICH MEANS THERE IS NO HIERARCHY, WORLDLY & NON-WORLDLY ARE SEEN TOGETHER, NOT AS SEPARATE OR OPPOSITE ENTITIES. PARADOX IS THE ONLY TRUTH.
COSMIC INTELLIGENCE / ENLIGHTENMENT IS TOTALLY A SUBJECTIVE MATTER & FOR SOME, IT’S AN ILLUSION, BUT FOR MANY, EVERYTHING, ALL IS REALITY.
Yes, ‘The God that Failed’ was quite a bombshell when it came out.
I can’t say that I knew Shiva, but being two of the not-so-common Scots in the ashram we talked briefly a few times.
When I first read the book I believed it, even though I did not particularly like Shiva; he was too up himself in the good old days. As it turns out, he turned out to be a decent and likeable man.
I certainly do not adore Osho, and I am not in the least bit sentimental about him or his commune. It’s history. Leave it at that.
Here is how Vishrant is looking back at the Interview He once had with Osho at Rajneeshpuram Times:
Blown away mind by the energy of the person in front.
“So cool! So – cool.”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/DXZ6wQDLDh1m/
Also on YouTube.
MOD:
The video has been deleted by Bitchute. Is there a separate address for it at youtube?
Synchronicity. In the exact moment I hit on the Youtube link, my phone rang. It was a sannyasin friend I had not heard from in over a year, “Loke,” he says. “Have you heard anything about that Aussie guy, Vishrant?”
Something is going on.
Got the point, Loke
Probably that could be a Cosmic Algorithm!
AI says:
” ‘Cosmic algorithm’ is a broad term used across science, philosophy, and pop culture to describe the idea that the universe operates like a giant, rule-based computer programme. Instead of looking at reality as a series of random events, this concept suggests everything is governed by a deep, mathematical code.”
It’s here:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsFPVWrvYg
Reflecting on the videos both the old and the new I get the following take-ins:
He did not ask Bhagwan his last question “Who am I?” bc it seemed selfish after the mind-opening he experienced. Humble.
Vishrant became a Sannyasin after the interview in 1985.
Back in Australia, the commune wanted to have his business, including him in the commune.
So, Vishrant stayed independent: the commune lacked the expertise to run his publishing business (“…that would be the end of it…”).
After his realisation he gave everything away and wandered around “‘Stralia to find his heart.”
Bought a Rolls and blew the minds of hitchhikers he picked up.
For now 27 years he’s been giving satsang in order “to hand on to others what he received.”
He was totally on his own, transferring all of this into practical life: “target on the back and the front” after anouncing satsang-giving; jealousy in the world of spiritual seekers….
Paths and environmental conditions to realising this and / or that are different – varying – various – totally individual. Etc.
Hats off to Vishrant.
My next-door neighbour. He’s a retired plumber.
Fuuguly enough, I’m currently expecting this very thing, which I ordered a week or two ago. Amazing synchronicity – must be Osho working on the lower chakras….
Yes, yes, the spirit of Osho is always around when it comes to getting the energy flowing smoothly and putting things back in balance.
Here this one is available…
Wow! Kavita, that is fantastic news. I’m so happy for you and Mother India. His blessings….
Yes, Lokie, sad about this, but guess best is to keep one’s own toilet clean; every Indian / all citizens on Mother Earth will have to do their own cleaning, if possible! For sure
It is said that cleanliness is next to godliness. My partner certainly believes this. I appreciate living in a super-clean environment.
My local town has the most expensive real estate prices in Spain. The town council keeps the streets and pavements spotless. It is rare to see any litter at all on the street. A discarded empty cigarette packet causes shock.
The local beach is a smoke-free zone. Dog owners carry plastic doggy bags and a bottle of vinegar for spraying on pissed upon lamposts. Any dog shit found on the pavement is DNA tested and the dog owner fined heavily.
The place is so clean it kind of prevents you from going to dirty countries in case you get sick.
I feel very fortunate to live here. But I do miss India.
As for me, I have always lived in a very clean house, although I can’t say about my immediate environment as it’s too much to expect unless one is a multi-millionaire!
The windows in the house are opened only after midnight to about 8am, as the only time it’s a bit silent & probably dust-free; I use an air-purifier at home. Luckily we have a nice Muncipal Garden in KP, which I go to every morning for nearly 2 hours for some physical movement, fresh air & an open, green environment. Somehow enjoying whatever is available for now.
I do like the European cleanliness but can’t afford to live there with my budget & it’s better to live here, I also feel more free here.
These days, Redevelopment projects is quite in the happening in Bombay & Poona, actually this means there are going to be skyscrapers all over. I prefer to live here till I can, will cross the bridge when it comes!
Living here in Pune for most of the year, except summers, when I travel to the mountains for 2-3 months, which is convenient for me now.
I could easily imagine many places much worse than KP to live in. I spent six marvellous years there.
Where’s KP?
Koregaon Park.
Aiiiiiie. Beauty!
We might have to take very exact aim for rebirth in a spiritually beneficial place…
In order not to land here/there. Haha.
KP is in the Lanes, which are still most beautiful with the old, magnificent trees. These are around covid time photos.
Sometimes, I wish we could have lock-downs every 5-7 years!
Yes, for sure, love being able to live here in KPLanes.
Muncipal Garden is in Lane 6.
Now at this lovely garden.
That is why I say, those westerners who have glorious years in Pune and miss India, most probably get their next life in new, bubbling India.
Their Indian names become the ticket for visa-free arrival.
I am sure, when westerners are reborn in India, they bring some education and rational thinking. Who knows, future Indian gurus go and study in Oxford or Yale; that would be a kind of evolution in make-belief industry.
Justice & balance are of higher dimensions.
Beloved Shantam’s Beloved God -
If it’s true that, according to Shantam, “Human race is getting better, second-by-second,” I’m wondering would we need any visionary at all? Pray tell me!
Kavita,
This one hits a note with me:
“would we need any visionary at all?”
If we have enough light and jokes for ourselves (maybe) we don’t.
And that would be a good thing. Bc no authority needed.
Ahhh.
Yeah, yeah, Kavita, really groovy. One and one make 108. I can dig it.
Thank you,Loke, I didnt know about this maths
till I AI’d!
And now for something completely different.
“1000 years of popular music”
(meaning starting from 1000 years earlier until modern time)
No single Osho in it. But some Heaven & Hell.
And the fact that Richard Thompson still is – or has been – following a Sufi path. Listening to him can transport one somewhere.
Magic live:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDZdU-snqTst=671s
Meditations & talks of which sect create reliable, trustworthy human beings?
Trust is probably only momentary; first of all, trust in reality does not exist, what we call trust is intrinsically transient.
PS: Nothing is absolute!
At the most, trust when recurrent can be self-hypnosis, basically living is a kind of self-hypnosis!
PPS:
Osho brand of Enlightenment surely is not absolute.
100% not absolute.
What to say? Absolute or transitory, enlightenment exists not. At the most euphoria, a cloud outburst of energy. That is it.
Eternal is truth, the cosmic truth..
Yes & no. Nothing is absolute includes eternity & transitory, whether Osho brand or any brand!
“Nothing is absolute includes eternity & transitory, whether Osho brand or any brand!”
Sentence of this article thread is written by Kavita.
While coming back from the Garden yesterday, met a few old friends, among them also one of Osho’s youngest nephews, Bubloo, whom I call Bubbles. I was telling them about Raphael’s book ‘Born Without Permission’ & that a few years ago R wanted to interview people who had felt no need to procreate.
He asked me if I would take part, I refused, also added that all almost all of my friends in KP who also, like me, happen to be Osho sannyasins, also do not have this need & have not had children. So he asked if he could interview them, and I said but they have no interest in giving interviews or in the media, to which Bubbles said, “Forget interview, they are not interested in giving their sperm!”
I am still laughing about this, felt to share….
Maybe this is a pompous no joke / joke but is nevertheless worth sharing!
Shantam writes, “Nothing is absolute, including eternity & transitory, whether Osho brand or any brand!”
But what everyone wants to know is:
Does this include Russell Brand, and will he be found guilty? My guess is that he will be sent to jail.
If his defence lawyers bring a bird out of a hat, it could be legal magic.
Unfortunately, UK courts are not so strict as in USA.
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/10/27/us/alexander-brothers-sentencing-sex-trafficking.
PS:
Sometimes I wonder, what kind of hundreds of thousands of books Shri Rajneesh was reading. Not a single sentence he has uttered which shows some knowledge of Laws and Justice.
Shantam writes, “Not a single sentence Osho has uttered which shows some knowledge of Laws and Justice.”
This statement amounts to complete nonsense and is totally untrue. Shantam, do your homework before writing such uneducated bullshit.
Lokesh, hope someone finds a single sentence if not a paragraph in Rajneesh talks which shows some understanding of laws and justice.
More than a sentence, even one instance of his life showing some understanding of laws and Justice, of this world and beyond.
A man who changes name months before death: what kind of wisdom or understanding of laws and Karmic laws?
Ignorance of laws is no excuse, even if you are a self-certified Enlightened!
“The new man will not have any jails and will not have any judges and will not have any legal experts. These are absolutely unnecessary, cancerous growths on the body of society. Instead of courts, we should have meditative centres of different kinds, so every unique individual can find his own way. And we will have — instead of law experts, who are simply irrelevant: they are parasites sucking our blood. The new commune, the new man, can live without any law, without any order. Love will be his law, understanding will be his order. Science will be, in every difficult situation, his last resort.” (OSHO)
Osho did in fact talk quite a lot about law and justice. I ended up reading a few things and came away thinking that Osho was a little inclined toward eugenics: the practice or advocacy of controlled selective breeding of human populations, or something like that. I say this because Osho thought most crimes were committed due to genetics. I know what he means, but I do not agree with it. The social policies of eugenics in Nazi Germany were composed of various ideas about genetics.
Rajneesh was such a powerful psychic, if he preaches, new man would be conceived through oral, a few like us were ready to believe.
He sold all kinds of stupid ideas because none of his ideas could sustain scrutiny of time.
Osho died like a failure covered with coffin of Success.
It is worth remembering, Nothing fails like success!
Shantam writes, “Nothing fails like success!”
No doubt, an understanding born of hard-earned experience.
He opens with “Rajneesh was such a powerful psychic.” Yet he never met the man and can therefore only base such a claim on second-hand news. He has no personal experience of Osho’s psychic powers on an existential level whatsoever.
It is very true, I have not met Shri Rajneesh. I was in high school during Pune One.
I was in the first year of studying Law at university when I first read Rajneesh literature, when master was in the declining phase of his illgeal construction in America.
Only consolation that I was in his Pune commune for more than a decade during the time frame of 1987-2007.
Lokesh has boasted too often being in the living presence of Rajneesh, though he knows not an iota of Osho, but accepts this name as one of the mass hypnotised people.
Those who have exposed Rajneesh by being very close to him deserve applause for telling the backstage stories of a philosophical psychopath.
Also, in those who have the opportunity to be touched by Bhagwan, no one sees any extraordinary channel of wisdom.
‘A philosophical psychopath!’
That’s a good one.
It’s a stupid idea to call the Master a psychopath.
Reminds me of Judas who betrayed Jesus.
Sadhguru on Osho (see especially from 5 mins.):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdbj5d1v64
Sadhguru on Osho…
Satyadeva, what you want to prove through this video clip?
Did Mr Sadhguru ever see Osho for a single minute? He knows him through his books or talks; that is all.
They both have the same vocational career.
Both have spread the idea t is their last life..
Most probably it is not.
SD, that video was pretty mediocre. Sadhguru is a likeable chap. The naff interviewer muffed her lines from the get-go and insisted that the Osho docu was ‘Wild West’ something. Pretty flat if you ask me.
The dome meditation hall looks far out. And as Sadhguru was keen to point out…it is the biggest meditation hall in the western hemisphere. And, as everyone knows, bigger is better.
SD, only till 4.25 mins he spoke the truth, the rest was his propaganda for his I”SH”A Foundation!
Probably his rich disciples/friends like Satya Paul, who were also O”shsh”O’s disciples, didn’t inform him about ‘Zorba the Buddha’ on purpose, so he could brainwash the needy!
Guess we are all self-programmed!
The Sadhguru people are intelligent.
They don’t fight with their neighbours.
The sannyasins on the Ranch did fight.
And they lost.
Good human beings are reliable.
Very good humans beings are very reliable.
Goodness may lead us to Nirvana, but who cares?!
PS:
Above three sentences are worthy for a new article to discuss.
In my observation, almost all the participants at sannyasnews are good human beings, though not very articulate, not as very clever or intelligent as professional gurus.
The branded imaged Osho was a professional guru who lost his goodness on the way!
After Lokesh indicated towards maths…
Suddenly Geometry also came in mind & I realized only squares, rectangles, triangles and the rest of the angles meet at some point; truth is, only parallel lines can not meet, however hard they try!
Guess only a circle seems to have some communion & harmony!
Depends in which angle / harmony one is meeting / not meeting & which kind of self=hypnosis gets activated.
Guess again it’s que sera sera!!!
It is an extreme arrogance to say, “After this life, i am free from the wheel. My work is over. I have merged with the Existence/God/Cosmos like a dewdrop in the ocean.”
seems Angels feel irritated by human audacity.
Philosophical Psychopaths use God also to impress others. Their declaration of being ego-free is a trap where they end up themselves sooner than later.
No one knows what happens after death. No human being has ever known. Few things remain unknowable. Why to bluff and leave ashes behind?!
Shantam declares, “No one knows what happens after death.”
I am uncertain if that is completely true. The Tibetan yogis pioneered exploration into the after death state more than anyone else and left us with ‘The Tibetan Book of the Dead’ as a gift to humanity. Even the evil name-changing guru declared that this wonderful book describes reality.
Shantam may well take this information with a pinch of curry powder, but he will remember it when he wanders the bardos in search of a cosy womb. Stay away from the smokey lights.
It seems Shantam hasn’t come across any such investigations. Barry Long is another who’s provided guidelines from the Beyond (as it were) with his lengthy ‘Death’ discourse, ‘Seeing Through Death: Facing The Fact Without The Fear’.
https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/seeing-through-death-facing-the-fact-without-the-fear/id1610237921
Yes, SD, Shantam prefers to read about midnight naughty sessions with Osho, behind closed doors. Aye, that evil name-changing guru liked his naughty bits, right enough. Strictly consensual, mind.
Lokesh, I copy the above comment and forward to Deeksha.
I am sure you are aware who is Deeksha from Puna One.
If she knows you, her comment will be even more relevant.
She has the inner steel to teach to Swamis some distinction between consensual sex and misuse of authority..
I don´t think Jains have that wonderful machines to make hormones rise in the western women, they crave for romantic rendezvous!
Well, Shantam, as far as “misuse of authority” goes, Deeksha can be viewed as an authority on the matter. Back in the day, she was a fascist uber bitch and misused the power handed to her to a brutal extent. As I understand it, Deeksha saw the error of her ways and made a public apology about it. As it is, I don’t give a fuck about her opinion on anything.
As for me, death is not separate from life, it should have been one word – deathlife – as they cannot be separated, every breath one takes is life & every breath out is death, it’s one unit. Yes, when that lifedeath comes to end, it’s the end of that living organism…
Somehow for me, if the being knows, is fully conscious & can see his/her own unconsciousness, then there is no need to come back.
I’m planning to stop visiting the site, or commenting, for a while, so just in case there are still regular readers who enjoy the Osho quotes and jokes I have been leaving, I wish you all the best. Satyadeva has my email in case it is needed.
MOD:
Don’t go away for too long, NP, as SN may not be operating for much longer unless we can somehow find the money to pay for the upcoming charges due on the site, now that Clive has withdrawn his generous financial support that’s largely responsible for keeping it goingt for the last few years.
NP, we all know what’s best for us in the / that moment.
SD, there are a few options for having a free website, Shantam’s suggestion can be looked into, but I guess when one is used to having one’s own website, Google has a free hosting option without advertisements, maybe you can explore & see, there may be other such free hosting options (of course nothing comes for free) in your area too.
Yes, would be good to keep SN going on, for sure.
Wish you the best always, SD.
SD,
Please bring the site to facebook.
Create a new thread in this regard, and let regular contributors discuss pros and cons of going to social media.
As far as Nityaprem is concerned, please stay at this site, you were always here, be here.
I know my style of writing is not suitable for certain contributors.
Create your own traffic.
Misuse of money, power, status, spirituality for sex is a legal crime, other than sin of manipulation.
Hopefully, alpha males around the world understand the Russell Brand case.
By alpha males I also mean Cult and sect founders.
For years I have thought Russell Brand looks like from the ‘Wild, Wild Country’ cult!
“The Sadhguru people are intelligent.
They don’t fight with their Neighbours.
The sannyasins on the Ranch did fight.
And they lost.”
(Satchit)
Dear Satchit,
Your name is Satchit, or you also?
Your above statement looks very intelligent but very cunning, as if you are a defence lawyer of your Guru Shri Rajneesh Jain Osho.
You people were fighting with neighbours because you were coached by Bhagwan through his secretary Sheela.
And more than that, you guys were not neighbours but invaders!
Through clever logic one can try to prove wrong as right, in this way one becomes an Osho not a Buddha.
God Bless.
Brotherly Yours,
Iqbal Singh
Iqbal Singh? Dropped Sannyas? Back to the roots?
Certainly people were coached by Bhagwan and secretary.
And nobody knows why they wanted the confrontation with the neighbours.
Maybe he was just homesick for beloved India.
Found this, imo, very reflective account of the historical developments around ‘Sufism’ in India. Or better, the area of “Sind in the old times before the Mughals.”
Which were definitely complicated times with regard to politics, rulers and the use of violence.
The qualitites – (1) to (10) – brought into the devotional practices towards their Master Sufi saints’ are listed, too.
An account by Professor Emdadul Haque of North South University in Dhaka/Bangladesh:
https://www.thedailystar.net/news/sufi-influence-in-bengal
Ending with:
“As a nation we are indebted to those minds that were far more enlightened than what we have amongst most of their offshoots today. The writer is a Professor at North South University.”
I feel like reflecting on all this with the passing of times, persons and the developmenbt of
the surrounding conditions of life in mind.
Maybe this is a bit of inspiration. Or maybe not.
Sorry lokesh, i had forgotten that you are an author and also you have compiled two books based on our comments.
You are also a music producer (Ibiza trance party music).
I have no such talent.
I have only one talent to understand people and life events through the symbols of astrology; incidently, Sagittarius rarely go to astrologers and study the subject.
Their delicate and fragile ego cannot digest, human behaviour is effected by the month and time of the day.
The Hindi name of Jupiter, the ruling planet of Sagittarius is Guru.
In general such people are quite lucky. Just think, you went out from Puna One with a minimum damage and a solid life partner. You did not invest a single cent at Rajneeshpuram also.
The Hindi idiom ‘Nau Sau Choohe Kha Kar Billi Haj Ko Chali’:
‘After eating nine hundred rats the cat goes on a pilgrimage.’
A Master is a mirror, Shantam.
Truth is, you only see your own superficiality.
Satchit, you are absolutely correct.
Shantam never actually met Osho, yet he believes he knows the man, when he does not.
Charismatic Indian gurus are the perfect screens to not only project positive vibes onto, but also the negative.
The idea that we project ourselves onto others is fundamental to understanding the human condition. Reading Shantam’s mundane rants about Osho leads me to conclude that Shantam doesn’t understand his own negative shadow. He probably imagines it does not exist. Yet he constantly projects his shadow onto Osho. The following is a good example:
“If R J Osho had studied Psychology, his tongue-based oratory would not have been that long, that superficial as sermons of Indian priests!”
This statement is strictly for the numpties in the class. Take “tongue-based oratory”: Oratory is the skilful and effective public speaking in formal situations. How could it be anything other than tongue-based? Poor Shantam fell out of his pram as a baby, cracked his helmet and has been talking nonsense ever since.
Satchit, from where this thought entered in your brain, a Master is a mirror?
Who implanted this thought, a Master is a mirror?
Almost everyone has no Master, don´t they see the mirror?
Satchit, also tell in simple terms, Alive Osho was a mirror, or no more alive Osho is also a mirror?
Was Osho a Master or a Messiah?
The real meaning of Osho is e Reverend temple priest!
Shantam, we need not talk about Osho.
You can also become a mirror.
Does not Shantam mean peace and stillness?
So just a bit lesser thought and you can become a mirror for others.
At its heart, “the world is a reflection of yourself” means that the external world, including Osho, serves as a mirror, reflecting back to us our internal landscape. If we harbour negativity, fear, or judgment within, we are likely to perceive those qualities in the world around us. Conversely, if we cultivate positivity, love, and acceptance, we will experience a world that reflects those qualities back to us.
This isn’t a literal, one-to-one correspondence, but rather a pattern of attraction and perception. Our beliefs shape our expectations, and our expectations influence how we interpret events. For example, someone who believes the world is a dangerous place will likely focus on negative news and perceive threats everywhere. Someone who believes the world is abundant and supportive will likely notice opportunities and experience kindness.
This isn’t suggesting that external events aren’t real, but that our *experience* of those events is filtered through the lens of our inner world. It’s a powerful reminder that we have the agency to change our experience by changing ourselves.
Taking the world as a reflection of yourself encourages us to look inward, to identify the patterns of thought and emotion that are creating our reality, and to make conscious choices to cultivate a more positive and fulfilling inner state. This is a continuous process of self-discovery and growth.
“We see the world not as it is, but as we are.”
– Anaïs Nin beautifully articulates how our perception is shaped by our internal state.
Positive thinking is better than negative thinking.
Best is no thinking.
Well, Shantam, the things the Buddha claims to have lost are usually signs of poor emotional regulation. If you’re still struggling with this into advanced age, you might want to look into that.
“Best is no thinking.” Maybe this is real meditation & not a technique, maybe meditation techniques are just a device to come to this. But for many, that technique becomes like an insurance policy!
“Is It Love?”
Is it love
Is it love
We’re after?
Mr. Mister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWxxRlVNM30
Sagittarians project their shadow sides on others.
Lokesh, somewhere you are similar to name-change guru, fault is always on other sides.
Self-analysis is not Sagittarians’ domain, they are archers hunting down others.
Show me one sentence written by you which is based on your own thought.
Just one sentence!
Perhaps, for such beings, ‘Saat khoon maaf’ ( seven murders forgiven ) is all I can say.
Guess when one is hungry one will find food somewhere somehow, & when the food is digested well it’s out of the system!
As for the next whatever, Que Sera Sera….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZbKHDPPrrc
There is no next one.
Tomorrow never comes.
Sorry, Shantam, astrology has never been my thing…it can be a very convenient way to pigeonhole people, as I feel you are trying to do with me right now.
Shantam, on the subject of writing something original, I have written several books. I have been complimented on how original they are.
4As for yourself…every time you point a finger, three fingers point back at you. This is a great line from a Bob Marley song.
Sorry, Lokesh, I had forgotten that you are an author and also you have compiled two books based on our comments.
You are also a music producer (Ibiza trance party music).
I have no such talent.
I have only one talent: to understand people and life events through the symbols of astrology. Incidentaly, Sagittarians rarely go to astrologers and study the subject.
Their delicate and fragile ego cannot digest that human behaviour is affected by the month and time of the day.
The Hindi name of Jupiter, the ruling planet of Sagittarius, is Guru. Jupiter is thought to be the most generous planet, it gives real things and also promises which must not be reminded. So the conmen and Ponzi scheme promoters also have the Jupiter touch.
In general, such people are quite lucky. Just think, you went out from Puna One with minimum damage and a solid life partner. You did not invest a single cent at Rajneeshpuram also.
MOD:
“it gives real things and also promises which must not be reminded.”
What does this mean, please, Shantam?