If by chance you upset Osho International by way of supposed copyright infringements you get this “Legalise“, as two Indian websites did recently…. all seems odd to us at Sannyas News. What comments do we have?
OSHO INTERNATIONAL COPYRIGHT NOTICE TO
OSHORAJNEESH.COM & MESSAGEFROMMASTERS.COM
To Whom it may concern:
We have identified your company as the hosting provider for a web site named
www.messagefrommasters.com
This firm represents Osho International Foundation (“OIF” or “the Copyright Owner”). OIF is a public non-profit organization of Switzerland and the estate owner of all IP of an author named Osho. In that capacity and pursuant to the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act, 17 V.S.C. §512 (“DMCA”),
I am writing to provide you with a notification of claimed infringements on the Websites located at: www.messagefrommasters.com As set forth in Section 512(c)(3) of the DMCA, I am hereby providing the following elements of this notification:
(i) I am authorized to act on behalf of OIF.
My signature appears on this email / letter as /Klaus Steeg /sent via electronic mail.
(ii) There are copyrighted works that have been infringed.
The copyrighted works are various text/books and photos all copyrights which are owned by OIF. All such copyrights are registered with the U.S. Copyright Office. The website is being used to offer these files of OIF’s copyrighted works without license.
(iii) Below are the locations of the web sites claimed to be infringing (the “Infringing Web Sites”), which we request be removed and access to it be disabled:
All text by Osho as identified by infringer are copyright of Osho International Foundation. All Osho-Images used on the mentioned web pages are copyright Osho International Foundation.
The site also promotes other copyright infringing web pages like http://www.oshorajneesh.com offering copyright protected content for free without authorization.
(iv) You may contact me as the authorized representative of the complaining party at: Klaus Steeg, OSHO INTERNATIONAL, 410 Park Avenue, 15th Floor -New York, NY 10022
(v) I have a good faith belief that use of the material on the Infringing Web Sites is not authorized by OIF, or by law.
(vi) Under penalty of perjury, the information set forth in this notification is accurate and I am authorized to act on behalf of OIF.
Pursuant to the DMCA and international copyright law, we respectfully request that you act expeditiously to remove and disable access to the infringing content.
Anyone know who Klaus Steeg is?
I am surprised to see Osho International listed as a ” public non-profit organization of Switzerland” .
If the company is listed as a non profit organistion why is it so interested in stopping others publishing material from Osho? Only those interested in pursuing profit would be interested in protecting a copyright, so it does not make sense.
And the company is said to be in Switzerland, the very home of secret banking and retentative capital accumulation – and the now home of Sheela, no less…
I am not a communist, and I am not a capitalist. but surely here is a capitalist paradox at the very least…
Klaus Steeg is Parmod, an hand picked entity of Jayesh, the defacto ruler of Osho Resorts (pvt.) Ltd. After all, every totalitarian regime need some faithful ones. One can contact with him on facebook…
And here is a breaking news..Swami Anand Swabhav, the only active ambassador of Osho, who has travelled in every nook and corner of India for more than three decades is finally realising how he was misused by divide and rule regime. During the last 3 weeks he is pouring his heart out at facebook..and most probably he will be the instrument to bring the much needed change at Pune…..Sometime the shadows of death make us realise how much we have gone against our own consciousness. Because of the mouth Cancer, Swami Swabhav has around a year of life span left according to doctors prognosis.
Osho Rajneesh is in a permanent hissy fit about the ‘utter bastards’ who run the ashram, usually, as far as I can make out, over something he’s heard about tenth hand. Maybe they’ve decided to give him a really good reason to hiss.
If they’re retentative ..that means they are repeatedly cautious , though i think you meant retentive or akin to anal..which of course is why they are there in Swaziland..because its an internatio-anal money playground with strict privacy laws on private doo doos.
‘I’ don’t have a problem with them keeping the copywright from mr swami rajneesh, he’s nuts and he hasn’t got a clue so anyone who puts osh and him together on their website is asking for trouble but …they are the ones who have always decided on the legacy, and that is a one trick number…ideal for ‘business’ cough swiss charity purposes but useless for anything resembling interactivity with others etc etc.Anyway the planets only got another 30 years before the Polar ice caps melt, so why worry about such rubbish as Osho’s meaningful legacy to humanity ..Its like Nero fiddling while Rome burns there’s more important things to sort out apart from trying to recreate a model for humanity to live by…the show is definitely coming to THE END..where talk of awareness of the buddhahood is just a load of bookshop guff for the privilejati (like the illuminati who have secret codes..they are at all osho gatherings waiting to pounce on you with conversational humourlessness and dollops of seekers meaningfulness)..Run for the Hills…
Jesus, P, have a look at this site http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Ebooks/oshorajneesh.htm
and you will see there is an Indian guy who calls himself Osho Rajneesh who has deliberately created a site that confuses his books with Osho’s.
What can Poona do but at least try using the law to stop this? And they will need a western lawyer to do this cos there is no effective intellectual property law in India.
Would you like it if I posted on SN and called myself Parmartha? I think not, so why is it okay for some some Indian to do something similar.
PS it is a bore writing out these arguments again and again.
Everyone who not agree with OSHO FOR FREE is totally greedy. Osho not belong to someone or Some Organization, osho belong to the world
sorry it was this site that was really confusing
http://www.messagefrommasters.com/Ebooks/Osho_Books.htm
Distribution thru commercial networks is prob best way for pune to reach as many people as possible. If Pune does this, they prob have to be seen to do something against copyright infringement. Commercial distributors will say “Please do something about piracy cos it cuts our profits.”
He is the one known as Pramod, a company man if there is one
I am not a communist, and I am not a capitalist. but surely here is a capitalist paradox at the very least…
Well, Parmartha, that all depends on how you look at it. To begin with you state,’Switzerland, the very home of secret banking and retentative capital accumulation’. This idea is a bit out of date. Switzerland is no longer the place you describe. Beginning next year, foreigners with money in Swiss banks will be so heavily taxed they will not wish to keep their money their. Anyone with huge amounts of cash to stash would be stupid to place it in a Swiss bank. There are dozens of better alternatives.
Secondly. you ask, ‘If the company is listed as a non profit organistion why is it so interested in stopping others publishing material from Osho?’ Could be that they simply wish to protect Osho’s words from exploitation. I am not saying this is the case, but it is a possibility.
Sannyasins in general are known as being quite profit orientated. That is nothing new. Bottom line with the above comment is , who really cares? Not I. Osho himself turned into the embodiment of the capitalistic Indian guru, Therefore current developments are hardly surprising.
I’ve recently been reading some early publications by Osho. What he says about materialism back then is quite the opposite of what he later said, yet he was supposed to be enlightened back then. I suspect a case of playing the tune to suit the caller….in this instance none other than himself. So what we have is people who feel the need to protect the copyright of words that completely contradict eachother if examined closely. Let them have it! Osho’s real teaching had nothing to do with words and that is something copyright laws will never be able to control.
Parmartha . . about Swami Pramod . . l dont know his full sannyas name . . the thing l know he has been a worker / inner circle member . . earlier he was also part of Osho Madina . . this l have heard from a sannyassin friend Nivedita Perinchery / Clair . . regarding OIF / Klaus Steeg’s laws & policies . . Iam not aware . . so l guess you shall have to see that for yourself . . right now this /that l have to say & share . .
Best solution for all those who want to make bucks from printed words and voice storage is to fight class suit against the breakthroughs in digital technology.
The bosses of Osho legacy should think why there are only 50 odd people in Pune right now in their so called Mansson festival and these 50 people too have not come for some festivity, average back packers on their first India visit going from ashrams to beaches to the temples.
Now then about finding the ideal place to live in the next ten years cos of how the planet is hotting up and shitting itself……they say the west of ireland is still going to enjoy clement not extreme weather, and with the few people around its ideal…plenty of space to grow veggies and crops and great music .. in fact Westport is gorgeous out there.. the sea changes colour everyday..sometimes its deep green, with blues other times its like hawaii with golden sand beaches and clear blue sea.. extremely empty through 10 months of the year.. they speak english and they are very casual … and they are all very aware and in their hearts for they love de good lord…what more could ye want now?
If/when we all finally get together we can set up a commune and elect an enlightened one..I’d vote for shantam cos no-one would ever take him seriously.. kavita could be his secretary making everyone laugh at the giggly bits, lokesh could be in charge of the in-house drug cartel and irish music scene..coffee, alcohol ,cigarettes and dat sort a ting…alok john could remind us all of how to be a witness and watcher and observer… on the (St Patricks) Hill mostly alone cos his friends couldn’t make it. Dharmen could be there with placards moderating ‘ Down wid dat sort of Ting’ and ‘Its Disgosting’. Parmartha could create a LETS investment exchange scheme for retirees, where you could exchange years of wisdom for , say, a half hour massage with Diane. Rp Macmurphy could do the evening jigs and parties,cheering everyone up,and I would do the past life regression therapy taking you to a place where you wish you hadn’t been born, with a free complimentary self empowerment CD called ‘talk to the hand cos the face ain’t listening’.
and of course apologies to anyone not on this current list, please fill out your membership forms and post to:
Osho -It really is all a Mystery isn’t it School
Somewhere Nice
Ireland
“Osho’s real teaching had nothing to do with words and that is something copyright laws will never be able to control.” Lokesh.
Yes I agree with this Lokesh. I did know a few people in Pune one who had never read a single Osho book, etc, but they seemed to me closer to the heart of the matter than anyone else!
Well yes, but some of us were not so lucky as to sit at his feet.
For me, as well as for many others I am sure, the words were a gateway to meditation.
I always think people discount the words cos they are scared of what he actually said.
Martyn, very entertaining. Thanks.
Spent some time on Ireland’s west coast few years back. Galway bay, cliffs of Mohar and the Burren are great places of natural beauty. The Guiness was good. The powerful hallucinogen I partook of on The Burren was incredible. The locals were friendly. I had the lisping grave digger offering me a nice wee plot in the cemetary…while I was tripping out of my head…I really dug the celtic crosses.
A serious case of the munchies drew me into the local shop and there it was I had a most memorable encounter with an old America pensioner who hailed from Portland, Oregon.
I said, ‘Didn’t you have some trouble with those orange people and that bagwash guy?’
He replied, ‘Sure did. Quite a fight but we whipped their asses in the end.’
Still high, I looked at the old man’s wrinkled face. He looked like a skull and his rancid breath reeked of alopathic medicne. ‘Well, old timer,’ I said, ‘glad to hear you beat them.’
He responded, ‘Yup, we won.’
It was then that it struck me that this man hadn’t won anything of importance in his entire life. Another life lived on the surface, no real joy in his heart. It struck me what a disaster the ranch had been on so many levels…so much potential wasted. Yet still, compared to what that old codger represented, Osho and his band of sannyasins still shone in the sky of human history like a crazy diamond.
So, Ireland can be interesting, but I find that Ibiza looks like a better end of the world place to be. Simply because it is a small island and, according to Nostradamus, Ibiza will be saved from something terrible due to the prevailing winds that blow in these parts. Do pop in for a visit if in the area.
i agree with you Parmartha. The daily wage earners who were coming to ashram for cleaning dishes and sweeping the streets have not read a single Osho book yet they were the salt of the heart.
Poona one or Pune 2, as both the phases of Osho Ashram were almost like western territory, other than above people, the most heart oriented humans were the women; the Ma´s with their motherly armpits*****
this thread forgot to start in time-honoured traditional sannyas style… with a joke ….
in pune 2, some close disciples were very annoyed with brian doppelganger rajneesh`s shenanigans….silly walks and shouting “let me in” from the sunderban hotel next door during discourse etc.
they complained to osho and asked him to change swami rajnish`s name as they felt the name was fuelling his delusions.
osho agreed and promptly changed the doppelganger`s name from rajnish to rajneesh…..
so….
have a laugh
or phone your lawyer…
it`s a choiceless choice……
or if you`re feeling a bit more serious and philosophical, i can suggest a quote from f w nietzsche`s unfinished meisterpiece:
“the will to power: an attempt at a transvaluation of all values” (namechecked by osho in “books i have loved”)…
“my exclusive concern here has been to indicate that there is only one kind of enemy who is capable of destroying religious idealism …….those play-actors who act out the part of this ideal,for they arouse suspicion”
I started the first distributorship of Osho’s books in 1971 and have over the years had numerous conversations with Him, Laxmi, Hasya and Neelam. It was always clear that he didn’t want to make a profit on getting the books out there and he didn’t want to control on who puts His words out there- Just get them out- Period !
Since offering the name ‘Osho’ to the real Rajneesh during His upcoming festivals that He had asked me to organizes in the commune (see Rajneesh Times Poona addition circa 1987/1989), I have had numerous dealings with Jayesh and crew about who exactly ‘owns’ the name ‘Osho’. There have been ample examples of blackmail, drug baiting, legal intimidations, physical violence and theft of computers, cameras and hard drives by Jayeshs’ goons all through the last 20 years most recently after the widely distributed photos of “Osho Is Free” taken at the front gates in 2010.
I can understand that some of Oshos lovers fear his work will be watered down, edited and misrepresented by folks who wish to throw there arms over Osho’s shoulders to further their own trip. My experience doesn’t justify this fear. I have seen His work survive worse and still thrive. Indeed, what Jayesh and company have done in the name of ‘Doing His work’ is to scare away over 90% of the most talented therapists, musicians, artists and spiritually advance sannyasin elders. Yes, the books have gotten out there but at what cost.
Every dog has its day and it will not be long before the Jayesh, Vatayana, Amrito and Yogendra types and their puppy lieutenants will be exposed for what they are- opportunists who will not stop at violence to silence all who would point to the men behind the curtain
Osho is free – always was, always will be. No need to worry
Lovebaba Harideva
“There have been ample examples of blackmail, drug baiting, legal intimidations, physical violence and theft of computers, cameras and hard drives by Jayeshs’ goons all through the last 20 years most recently after the widely distributed photos of “Osho Is Free” taken at the front gates in 2010.”-I simply do not understand why they are not prosecuted? Because they are in India? Forensic evidence have moved so much that 20 yrs old things can be proved.
I am frankly tired of hearing how illegal Jayesh is and yet he is the one cutting the cake and eating it alone.
http://www.oshoteachings.com/osho-international-copyright-notice-to-osho-websites/
blackmail,legal intimidation,theft of computers,cameras,microfilm, hard drives,physical violence,drug-baiting and probably a bit of master-baiting too….?
well,that sounds a whole lot better than re-runs of columbo on daytime tv…
if these guys cant be hauled up and busted,at least someone should be getting all this down on paper,it sounds like a smash hit cult book,screenplay,movie that`s almost writing itself…..
the plot,characterisation and even the names are near perfect…
klaus steeg?
that`s gotta be a re-incarnation of doctor evil with wire specs and a steely stare ordering his minions to truss his enemies in piano wire,whilst he recieves a massage from a beautiful oriental assistant and meditates to soft electronic music…excellent…
and his arch-enemy “lovebaba”, like number six on the beach in “the prisoner”: “i will not be pushed,stamped,filed,indexed,briefed,debriefed…i am a free man”
and all kicked off by a chancer who makes a living impersonating a dead guru and stealing his name and customers ?
a completely gonzo wacky screwball comedy thriller that`ll have `em laughing in the aisles,crying into their drinks, shaking with anger,ecstacy,exitement and with even the possibility of mass enlightenment …
the punters of the world are crying out for it…..
thanks Arpana for the link…. and how sick these twats are.There are also links from your link to a just-issued in July 2011 directive to the Russian police to investigate emotional sexual abuse at Osho centers there… two names crop up.. Sarovara who is an english very plain goofy nobody with a huge ego from Poona 1, and Devapath also known as psychopath sometime ambitious neurotic who started out a few years ago from Afroz center Eressos Greece.. an angry yank with a locked jaw smile….Thanks to sannyas news these git-twits are known for what they are.. and a hardly legible russian/ english, but understandable, site about the sexual molester Prashantam …
Osho let the genie out of the bottle unfortunately a long time ago by giving glum ‘nobody’s’ status and emotional power over others… we and him have a lot to answer for.. its a shame there isn’t a sannyas police force to arrest these bastards..cos many of us would have all the inside evidence necessary to convict them…and others…
ta very much and spread the word..
http://www.oshoteachings.com/osho-news-russian-police-investigation-alert-for-osho-therapists-in-russia/
http://www.free-press-release.com/news-osho-news-russian-police-investigation-alert-for-osho-therapists-in-russia-1310321207.html
Good post from Lovebaba.
free osho site…you can see this beautiful creative presentation of osho !!!
http://www.oshorajneesh.com/o.htm
Dharam Chakra Parivartan…To chage the direction of religious wheel seems to be the most ardous adventure one can ever take..Osho did it…it does not matter many glass pieces and nails went into this delicate wheel…and it could not take as many turns as was intended by the master…Still…..amazing amazing amazing..what a single man did it in one life time..burning the passion for impossible in many many hearts..
Yes, Shantam, no doubt about it, Osho was remarkable on the level of how much he achieved in life and what he did still continues to inspire many.
” It is now harder but therefore more imperative to take a stand and to renew daily the existential commitment to break the rules of the game, to disrupt the game as such, to expose it relentlessly as a mere game.
(page 276 :’ Vaclav Havel ‘ by john keane ).
shantam why don’t you try ‘fasting unto deatt’ its very popular in India at the moment…to remove the forces of corruption from sannyas…The night before fasting you could go for one of your favourite osho heart transfoming meals of chicken in a bun in a hamburger in a pork pie with chips and lamb samosas,and a salad(for a balanced meal) just in case you get peckish…and then tell all your friends in the sikh-christian-lutheran church in Bangaloren -am-Rhein.. to hold a picnic cum candle lit vigil….until the evil of the Pune resort is cleansed..
hey shantam , seeing as you’re so grateful to osho and transformed by him.. how about watching some home movies on compassion in action….
http://vimeo.com/24594758
Yes, you are absolutely right. Three cheers for…em…er…bingo burgers!
Oshilieaks has received the full transcript of a telephone call to the Osho Charity Trust Foundation Global Headquarters for Truth and Meaningful Living.(Switzerland.somewhere near a stunning scene of Alpine tranquillity)
Caller: Allo is dat ze Oshoo Charitee Troost for Global Trut and…
Osho Charity Headquarters; ..”yeah yeah ..etc.etc..erm oh ….’His Blessings’ ..What? i say oh yes erm Bonjour Mon Sewer und Damen und Signora.
C: Vell mon namen ees Monsieur Toby Le Rone..okay ja oui ?
OCH:Yeah ?so get on with it pal ..time’s money, ive got a busy day ahead whaddya want .and oh .his blessings love etc …
C: vell u see, i am retired und filthy rich and i want to geev all my money avay to zee charittee.
OCH : Gulp. oh crikey ..well why didn’t you say Mon sewer de la Obeonekenobe….give all your money away ?…(muffled scratching and paper shuffling can be heard)..I’m just clearing my desk ..i’ll be with yu in a sec hold the line ..I’ll just get the exec to speak to you..
C: Okdokey and its Monsieur Tobly Roney .Ok pimple head?
OCH: Hi, exec chief honcho here.. we got a wise ass on the phone..huh?Listen we don’t accept donations. period.!.and even if we did we wouldn’t tell anyone.period ! and certainly not on the phone. period .period!. and uhm..how much do you wanna give us?ermm period..???
C:Vell i’m not sure quite exactly vot zees charitee work ees zat yu do..Do you supply recycled coffee jars to the developing world to make spectacles for the short sighted?
OCH: Nope ..
C:Provide snow for africans who have never skied before?
OCH : Nope…
C:take old ladies across ze road and do zeir shopping for zem?
OCH: Nope…
C: Deliver anti nuclear radiation underpants to the Japanese?
OCH:Nope
C ; Help donkeys to do yoga?
OCH: ermmmm Nope..
C:Provide medicines and a team of specialist doctors in an emergency…?
OCH: Nope we certainly dont do that either….
C: …(long precipitous silence)…
OCH: Hallo Hallo are yu still there Mon Sewer ?
…C:Vell Vot the Fuck DO you give your money To then …?
OCH :Oh that’s an easy one…Lawyers…loads and loads of lawyers in New York, who have suffered economic hardships , and can no longer afford their 64 foot yachts without our generous help and offers of employment…oh and failed property deals around the world.
C: vell, TIC TAC to you..
OCH: Whats that Monsieur Toby-le-Rone? TIC TAC ..oh yeah its a swiss sweet very good…
C: No actually… TIC TAC in Switzerland means ‘GO SUCK’….
(bbrrrrrrrrrrr …clickkk)
If we want to see EGO on a telescope level, just watch the political and religious leaders, for their bloody prestige, they will not hesitate to sacrifice people, countries and idiologies. That was always so from the ages. what inspires me the most is the EGO of those who have worked under the shades of Osho to be EGOLESS. They hold also their self interests in a way as if it is the last piece of cloth left on a helpless woman.