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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 8 months ago
To conclude re the 3 months group ‘trauma’, re the encouragement of unrealistic expectations:
I was keen to take part in the ‘Intensive’ as I believed the promo hype, which intimated that there was the prospect […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 8 months ago
Thanks for such a considered response, Alan, fascinating reading indeed.
Still, you overlooked a couple of points:
First, that my particular ‘group trauma’ (3 months long) took place in London, via the old […] -
satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
Ok, Alok.
But what about the “vulnerable” people whom you’re understandably concerned about? Would you recommend more or less what I’ve suggested, ie individual sessions rather than (most) sannyasin groups; or […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
Well, Alok, I guess it might sound “a little obsequious” to anyone who is chronically sceptical and/or very angry about therapists and their work.
As I said before, I’m no apologist for therapists, I’ve had some […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
I’d probably go along with you, Alok, that “vulnerable people” aren’t exactly welcome in the movement (although it depends how one defines “vulnerable”), except in the Humaniversity (whose style doesn’t by any […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
Alok, although you haven’t actually specified which of the three categories I outlined a few days ago you’re referring to, presumably, what you term “evil”, in the context of sannyasin therapy groups, is imposing […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
More incriminating “evidence” here – this one’s specially for you, Shantam…
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
Now that’s what I call “evidence” – well researched, sir!
Unless and until similarly definitive material fulfils the requirement, then I shall view all other therapists as innocent.
Come on, Alok, where’s your […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
Also, isn’t there an essential difference between the ‘monolithic’ regime at the Ranch and sannyasin therapists out in the world, a disparate (perhaps you might suggest ‘desperate’, Alok?!) bunch of individuals, […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
It might well be helpful to establish precisely what sort of “fraud” is on the ‘prosecution’s agenda here:
Are we talking about intrinsically ‘fraudulent therapy’, ie therapy that doesn’t and possibly even can […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, The Service of Surendra Bharti, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
As you are no ‘fan’ ot either groups or meditation, Shantam, and as Osho wouldn’t be there, I do wonder what ‘your’ version of Pune (‘Pune 4′) could possibly be…
As others have suggested here, perhaps you’re […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, These Groups… only prepare you for Meditation, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
“The ‘Monty Python’ show is but a parable of distorted life.”
Madhu, first and foremost, ‘Monty Python’ was/is about having a huge laugh at the utterly comic absurdity of human life.
Hasn’t anyone ever suggested […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, These Groups… only prepare you for Meditation, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
Great link, Martyn.
As a matter of huge interest, I recall the programme maker Adam Curtis being a regular face on the scene at Parly Hill tennis courts and GLC caff, back in the late 80′s…(which clearly makes […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
canadafollower, it’s very easy to make general claims, accusations of “fraud” against a group of people, or even “some” of a group, but unless you provide evidence, including names, then it just remains innuendo […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, These Groups… only prepare you for Meditation, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
Thanks for demonstrating, Shantam, how, finding itself uncomfortable and in a corner, the mind will seize upon any old fabrications, any old self-made lies and use them to attempt its escape from perceived […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, These Groups… only prepare you for Meditation, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
“Sheela, for example, boasted, as I remember, of being totally uninterested in meditation and had not done a single group.”
Does Parmartha’s anecdote remind you of anyone, Shantam?
Time to look in that mirror again….
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
“Why is a comment like Rajen’s about Alok John admissible on this site?”
Probably because, rather than merely “taking a pot shot” he took the trouble to explain his point, with a degree of compassion, even […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, Mindfulness is all about self-help, but does it do anything to change an unjust world, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
An example of true mindfulness, ie awareness, self-enquiry, as opposed to ‘corporate bullshine’, the Dalai Lama on his own mindfulness practice:
“Whether we are doing something good and worthwhile with our lives […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, He came a Well Placed Third, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
Alan, I enjoyed your online interview at Conscioustv, one of the most interesting such discussions I’ve found and you came across very well.
I have a question about ‘casualties’ of group therapy, specifically […]
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satyadeva commented on the post, Mindfulness is all about self-help, but does it do anything to change an unjust world, on the site sannyasnews 9 years, 9 months ago
” It seems there is a true meditation movement which takes different forms, and then there are these ‘smartarses’ using the same word.”
It would seem that way, Chetna. Finding value in ‘mindfulness’ I was […]
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