Osho and the Inner Circle

Taken from Osho Times International, dated Feb 1 1990:

On April 6 1989,
Osho gave instructions
for the setting up of a committee
to be called “The Inner Circle.”

The aim of the committee,
He said, was to reach unanimous decisions
about the continued functioning
and expansion of the commune and his work.

“I am tired,” he said, “and I want to retire.”
Over the next few months
Osho eventually finalized the committee at 21 members,
whom he said had been chosen to represent the commune departments and his work.

He stressed that the inner workings of the committee were to remain a secret

He also said that the committee
is not to be involved in spiritual considerations,
but should look to the mundane work, the practical problems of the commune:

“The Inner Circle” is not a club to discuss philosophy.
It is a pragmatic and practical way to decide things.”

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107 Responses to Osho and the Inner Circle

  1. Heraclitus says:

    Three questions:
    do we know really whether Osho so directed or was this something those about to take over put forward?
    Question two, whether it was Osho or those around him who “invented” this inner circle, what on earth is the point of a “practical” organisation being secret. Absolutely no sense, whatever the origin.
    There is a point as in some Sufi orders for the esoteric teaching to sort of remain secret to protect those who might be attracted but not yet ready, etc… but for practical affairs… madness.
    Third… how can decisions be unanimous. Bound to end as it has in a break down of the original conception.(That’s why a quarter of the original members left), If this was to be a practical instrument… then clearly there had to be majority decisions or absolutely nothing would get done.
    The framing of this organisation was bouind to fail, as it has. This is because it seemed to very badly confuse the setting up of a Sufi type of esoteric inheritance with simple, and dare I say it, democratic rules for the smooth and transparent running of an organisation – which could and should have been done from the beginning.

  2. Alok john says:

    SN is flogging a dead horse!

  3. shantam says:

    Why this thread is pushing your buttons, Alok John?
    Just 21 year old news looks like flogging a dead horse, i think you need to take the next vocations with Sri Bhagwan in India, John De ruiter in Canada or some other Living horse…

    The archives of Osho Times during the phase 1990-1992 are going to be the foundation for revivial of Osho movement, once the so called close care takers disappear from the scene. The real power struggle and game changing movements in the world of Osho are on the cards during next 20 to 40 years at the most.

  4. prem bubbie says:

    Why are people posting with fake names (yourself included) pushing your buttons, shit for brains shantam? you are quite an insane character, just look at your own past posts douche bag!!! you keep proving to most sane people reading , that you are out of touch with reality.

  5. prem bubbie says:

    Sannyasins as with the general population, love flogging dead horses… From this mundane site, to fashion, music, hairstyles, gurus, organized religion… people still get upset at things that happened 500 years ago! (the baltic war of the the mid-1990′s) the muslim/hindu hatred, muslim/jewish,christian hatred etc. Alok is right on the mark with bringing this up, as i have on the previous threads… evrey few months SN has nothing better, nothing creative to offer but rehashed trash… Parmartha- maybe you and other SN editors need to resign and go work for your local garbage recycling center… at least you’ll get paid.

  6. Lokesh says:

    Well, I am totally in agreement with Shantam when he says that the Osho movement needs reviving. With self-appointed spokesmen like him advocating racist ideas on a sannyasin blog, this is surely time for a revival of a horse that looks like it is dying. But then again is it in need of reviving or should we just let that once noble horse stagger into a slaughterhouse and be cut up and redistributed as fro-zen beef pies?

    I will be known through my sannyasins – Osho

    This optimistic caption must surely have been taken from an Osho talk delivered when the sannyas movement was flowering. Would Osho still make such an optimistic comment today when people such as Shantam promote such seperation based on skin colour in the sannyasin community. I sincerely doubt it.
    Osho often described himself as a gardener. When there is no gardener to tend the garden the weeds soon take over. And so it is. Fortunately, wild flowers grow anywhere.

  7. prem bubbie says:

    How the fuck to you know what’s in store with the sannyas “movement” 20-40 years from now?… OH Swami-ji Shantam, look into your crystal ball—- what do you see? I will tell you what i see, Swami-ji shantam: “a smelly- unwashed turban, cobwebs and all, a man,walking the streets of Hamburg, selling Chinese fortune cookies, spelling the demise of the “Resort”, and selling autographed copies of photos Sw.Rajneesh combing his beard with a golden brush.

  8. Alok john says:

    Bubbie, the editor does about six hours work a week on the site. He makes no money from it, he makes a loss. He likes to have regular articles, but it is hard work writing good articles or finding someone to write a good article. That is why the quality of the articles has been low recently. I have some ideas for articles, but I cannot be bothered to write them, so I cannot complain!

    As to the future of sannyas….

    There is massive youth unemployment (under 25 years) in Europe now. Some south European countries have 30 to 40 per cent youth unemployment. It is 19 per cent in UK; I have seen a figure of 25% mooted in the US. So a few years down the line, an avalanche of new sannyasins, maybe!

  9. shantam says:

    Who will write articles at sannyasnews, when stray dogs on the street are pissing all around the clock, and are being fed by the good hearted black marketers who think to feed dog will generate good Karma.(Metaphor is from Indian sub continent).

    A country´s Prime Minister was asking for the direct foreign investment. Investors asked about the law and order situation.
    Pm replied, our is an absolute democracy, therefore we don´t have any Constitution, any rule and regulations. Therefore i request all the mafias and criminal gangs to have their off shore offices in my country…

    I have heard, Some bubbie and martyn are appointed CEO And CFO to take care of Lokesh office in that land.. Spain is not the right place, being part of the highly regulated EU.

  10. shantam says:

    Instead of blaming Parmartha, why this father of a an illegitimate son called bubbie does not write an article for Sannyas news.

    As long as this masked person behind bubbie character is here in the name of free speech, Sannyasnews will not expand.
    People will prefer to write at oshoworld, oshonews or viha connection, where there is a one way monologue. Sannyasnews is being misused, freedom has become uncontrolled licentiousness by some behind the scene operators.

    Thanks Martyn for understanding the point. I hope you will be back with your actual sannyasname.

  11. Shahriar says:

    On the issue of liberty being a licence I direct you to this fantastic article written by Michael Hurd titled Liberty and Licence at:

    http://www.capitalismmagazine.com/politics/6177-liberty-and-license.html

  12. shantam says:

    Ok Shahriar, the intelligent sannyas kid in the block, please answer the question with your understanding-

    If sannyasnews want to cater to wide variety of sannyas article and comment writers, what approach it should take, what kind of changes are needed or it is perfect the way it is..
    Once in a full moon someone writes exclusively for sannyasnews. 6 to 8 usual people, half of them pure fictitious names create average 3 to 4 hundred comments and around 958 clicks it get per day…

    Is this not enough for the few who think it is a good entertainment.
    Do the bursting and ever growing city can survive in the way of clusters of the huts in some remote tribal area?

  13. prem bubbie says:

    i can write some articles, but i think it’ll piss off more than the few ghouls posing as self-righteous sannyas socialites. So, parmartha if ye are interested, drop a line, give a toot, pop a moon my way… it’ll free you up to make some serious cash doing honest recycling work.

  14. prem bubbie says:

    “Freedom has become uncontrolled”– shit n’ shantam says… when freedom is controlled it’s no longer freedom… you clearly have some severe brain damage… what reality are you living? a for the other sannyas web sites… stale, old , unimportant, lacking creativity, depth. the posters- fearful, timid, not risk takers, monotone, tail chasers…. and they are seeking “enlightenment”? websites full of politicians and brain damaged individuals.

  15. anugrah says:

    Sannyasnews has got cancer called Prem bubbie.
    someone from editor team has to do something about it .
    or in results this website will die slowly and slowly.
    Soon you will see one or two persons exchanging views and ideas.
    There will be no new comers to this site , and old timers like me do not want to see bubbie here. he has nothing good to share. I am not the best ,but atleast i know my limits.
    Bubbie has crossed all the limits like mad dog . To control this stray dog who is biting everyone here , we call city hall in india and they come and get involve and remove dogs who have becomes poisones to others. i am again and again asking you editors of this nice sannyas site to get involve

  16. prem bubbie says:

    anugrah– i beat you to the post… what will the editors do? i challenged them last year to ban me… i’m still here… they have the courage to look past the idiotic complaints of nazis posting as sannyasins… another fortune teller… we heard it before many times… well we are still here and even new advertisers are here too.. looking to make money… parmartha is doing something right… this site is growing not shrinking… maybe yours and shantam’s heads are shrinking… care to call a witch doctor? he’s the only one who deals with shrunken heads!!

  17. prem bubbie says:

    MAD DOG’S AND ENGLISHMEN!!! yahoo!!

  18. prem bubbie says:

    Anugrah, Shantam, Gandhi(Anand), Prakash, and sadly Shahriar. Fear mongers, racists, homophobes, misogynists, cry babies, war mongers, imbeciles, goose steppers, and just for anugrah- wolf-crier. Read your own posts – there is nothing but truth in what i say…. “Truth? what is that”?, asked Shantam, anugrah, et.al.

  19. prem bubbie says:

    Shantam then answers- ” I want to dictate to all, who can post here, what can be said, how to say it; for i am the king of heaven and earth, i make the rules and all must obey”. thus he said to Anugrah, who then wrote it on a stone tablet as Shantam’s”First Commandment”.

  20. shantam says:

    Massacre suspect “mentally disturbed,” former teacher says.
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting.investigation/index.html?hpt=T1

    FEW POINTS ABOUT THE BUBBIES OF THE WORLD.

    In postings on the social media sites YouTube and MySpace, Loughner(Accused) railed against government “mind control,” being surrounded by people he considered illiterate and the illegitimacy of the U.S. government. In class, McGahee said Loughner accused him of violating his free-speech rights, “And of course free speech is limited in the classroom.”

    “This guy was mentally disturbed. He was very isolated,” he said.

    Loughner has invoked his right against self-incrimination and is not talking with investigators…

    NO ONE SAYS SAYS MENTALLY DISTURBED PEOPLE ARE NOT CLEVER OR ARE LESS INTELLIGENT!

    It is a fact, many of such people slipped into sannyas…

  21. Gandhi says:

    Osho is a master and teaches love and meditation.
    He also offended in his talks existing religious beliefs.
    His teachings transformed millions of people around the world.

    Where is light there is shadow and in the shadows grow and live nasty creatures like Prem Bubbie, occupied to destroy the light and love in the World of Osho.

    Obviously Parmatha enjoys the controversy and the shit Prem Bubbie distributes on these pages, otherwise he would have shut him down long time ago.

    One drop of piss can make a nice bottle of champaign
    undrinkable. If Parmatha’s interest would be in the interest of Osho, he would block Prem Bubbie. But as a publisher he likes controversy, but oversees unfortunately that some people with a higher sensitivity
    are not interested to drink piss together with Bubbie.

    It is a pity, since the original idea for these pages are good and worthwhile. Maybe think it over, otherwise a new forum led by Shantam, who is not perfect but honest, will appear, where more substantial Osho news
    can be shared.

    Bubbie’s brain is just pure vomit and hate for Osho.

  22. Lokesh says:

    Gandhi you speak about higher sensitivity but quite obviously do not practice it, because your above comment is blunt and unthoughtful.
    I do not agree with everything Bubbie says but I don’t judge anything he says to be more ignorant than what that racist fool, Shantam says.
    A new forum led by Shantam…how utterly boring. Obviously you are a bit of a fool yourself, lacking little in the way of a cerebral cortex to show you what a dumb idea a forum led by pea-brained Shantam would be.
    Visiting SN has for me been a fascinating experience, particularly in regards to the fascistic and rascist elements now existing in the Indian sannyas community who have exposed themselves by posting on this blog. That people could actually stand up and wave a flag for Shantam is really quite unbelievable. It might be sannyasnews but to my mind it is also bad news.

  23. Swami Detective says:

    The idea of unanimity is not as stupid as it sounds. Just have a look at the legacy of Krishnamurti, or indeed any other Master that did not install a successor. The task of preserving and sharing the legacy is very, very simple. There is nothing profound or complex involved in the task. The same is the case with Osho’s legacy – from the very point that he declared there will be no successor.

    The only decisions that would get unanimity are stark ones that are stripped of any additional flavouring from egoistic tinkering. There would never ever be any agreement on editing of Osho’s words, but unanimity would be reached for the offering of unedited words, else scrounge around for a dusty basement archive. There would likely never be any agreement on anything other than maintaining the status quo on the physical attributes of the commune and free or at cost-price offering of unedited words, meditations, and meditative therapies.

    It would mean that for the commune in Pune and his associated ‘Work’, it would be authentic, raw, essential Osho, and nothing else. Osho would be stripped bare of his usually furnishings. The podium could never have been destroyed. The pictures of Osho could never have been removed, but I would suggest that replacement would not have been allowed as they wore old with age. The fading Osho pictures would become a beautiful symbol of the unwillingness to understand other peoples perspectives about their Master. These differing perspectives and dimensions are in many cases legitimate (complete with Osho quotes not taken out of context), but they represent the flesh that fill out the bare bones.

    It is ironic that the chief administrators of The Resort say they are offering essential Osho without the egoistic trimmings of his followers. Yet, they do not understand that what they have removed or destroyed had a legitimate authenticity and connection to Osho’s teachings. They also do not understand that what they have added is their own trimmings, and while such trimmings may have a legitimate connection to Osho, they become invalidated if they claim to have exclusive or sole legitimacy.

    Yes they can show me the quotes of Osho saying he was a rich mans guru. However there is no sequential pattern to Osho’s method, financially and otherwise. They have dismissed these trimmings as background services by calling them a basic Western standard. The emphasis on material value to the extent that all but the financially well off can afford to make regular attendance is not a generic, essential feature of Osho’s work.

    The materialistic anti-devotional so-called Zen style of the new Osho is a Western leaning individualistic and material value system imposed on Osho. People view The Resort as less threatening them some weird commune full of marble kissers, but fail to understand that imposition of material values can be just as threatening.

    Have a look at the Great Leap Forward by Mao in China. The vision was a great leap from agrarian to industrial civilisation for the people of China. The result, because the imposition of it created unnatural inefficiencies, led to a great leap into the dark ages of barbarianism. The pattern has been repeated the world over by any number of tyrants seeking to impose material betterment for humankind.

    Better material standards often attributed to being ‘Western’ is not an automatically innocent and good thing in itself. The Resort has a material value system forced upon a commune by an authoritarian administration. It is not simply provision of efficient facilities and services as background support of the essential Osho. It has functioned as part of a down spiralling pattern typical to dictatorships like Mao’s. The secret irony is that underneath the image of best practice services and high international standard facilities lies a rotten stench. There are other parallels too. Many people have been removed from the scene through banning and other measures. Tactics also include oppression, intimidation, threats of violence, and violence.

    Anything other than the bare essentials of Osho would have been an outgrowth from being forced to understand other peoples perspectives in order to get a platform for your own practical agenda. It would be essentially a process of compromise and negotiation.

    The notion of Inner-Circle secrecy is dubious, as noted by the conduct of the vice-chair of the Inner-Circle soon after Osho’s death.

    Even if it is accepted that the inner workings were to remain secret, what does that actually mean? This is where I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding, and one which comes from a basic egoistic delusion. Certain members of the Inner-Circle could simply not accept the fact that Osho did not leave them a spiritual stewardship role. Each wanted to be the sole successor, and to accept a shared role in this would have been tough enough. Osho however took away the shared spiritual title by stipulating the Inner-Circle was actually just a practical managerial body.

    Do not people get the simple fact that the Inner-Circle, as set up by Osho, is an outer circle? It is not an esoteric gathering, but rather an exoteric one. The notion of inner workings is given a mysterious and esoteric connotation by the same members of the Inner-Circle that have ignored the practical mandate. In fact, the inner workings of an exoteric outer circle kept secret simply means that the nuts and bolts, heated dialogue and detailed backroom diplomacy not be aired publicly. This is just like any other committee in any ordinary organisation.

    It does not mean that input from external sources not be sought, and that feedback not be given. It does not mean that the issues and competing viewpoints not be aired to the general sannyas community. It does not mean that the failed and successful outcomes from dialogue not be made generally available. I would suggest it may mean that the names of specific members, and the lengthy and perhaps emotive arguments put forward, not be made public. It is pretty much along the line of what Wikileaks had no right making public about international diplomacy. This notion of secrecy of inner workings has been consumed by the same spiritual egos that have blatantly ignored the practical mandate.

    The current administrators of The Resort (and other areas of Osho’s work) appear to have a certain Western orientation. The anti-devotional ‘Zen’ style appeals to a certain type of person. Cutting out certain dimensions of Osho will naturally attract people who dislike those dimensions. It is a little like the question asked by Sannyasnews editors about cutting out certain Christian jokes. These jokes may be offensive to the general Christian community. Hence removing such jokes means retaining the Christian vote. It is just plain politics.

    A lot of people, Western and Eastern, do not go in for marble kissing. Remove all the devotional types, and the non-devotional types feel more comfortable. This is just plain good business sense. It is about appealing to your target market.

    Jayesh and Amrito and friends have created a (fake) version of Osho that has a broad market niche. Have a look at all the non-aligned wellness centres around the world. There is a vast market potential for such a business strategy. As well as removing certain dimensions of Osho, by removing the religious connotations of Osho from the business, you get a broader market reach. People these days are not into gurus, so the saying goes. A guru in the background is OK for a status trip, but people don’t want a guru that actually stands to interfere in their individualistic life. It is true for a large proportion of the populace. This means much benefit be gained by removing the personal attributes of Osho, and even changing the name Osho from the name of a person to the name of a place. It is about de-Oshoization of Osho. It is all either good political or business acumen.

    The trouble for this strategy is two-fold. On one level even a superficial investigation into Osho, his non-sequential and contradictory teachings, and his supposed requests for what to do after he left the body, shows that the current stewards are completely out of sync with Osho.

    The second problem with this strategy is that while they claim to be efficient managers, this is actually not the case. The drinking water contamination scandal is at odds with the ‘Western’ value system. People simply do not believe that it is possible. The thing is, if you believe this, you are wrong. The supposedly pristine stream that runs through the place, and its causing of flooding for neighbours, is more than a metaphor. The same is the case with the issue of terrorism. There are decisions being made which show a seriously poor level of decision making.

    The whole business – resort, publishing and whatever – looks smoothly and professionally run. It looks that way, but it is not. Also, the fact that it is not has been surfacing in rude and unexpected ways lately. The issues that have arisen are very serious. The people that have believed in the efficiency and orientation of the ‘Western’ style managerial system can only ignore the facts and truth for so long. I am sure that the chief administrators started off making primarily efficient decisions. This was what won them sole stewardship – although wrongly staking spiritual claim to Osho’s legacy certainly helped. Then they started making decisions that were unreasonable. Now there are ongoing decisions that lack any sense of reason. This lack of reason is none other than insanity otherwise named.

    Everyone knows about Islamic extremism, and devotion gets lumped in with this. You do not have to go far to realise that extremism of any shade is potentially as deadly as any other. Buddhism is such a peaceful religion. Have a look at Thailand. Western materialism and secularism stands against barbaric, religious and devotional madness from the East. Have a look at the materialistic ideologies of Communism and Nazism. It is not devotion, but extremism, that you need to fear. Christianity is a devotional religion. It is the primary religion in the West, and it is devotional in nature. The so-called West is full of devotion. Ever visited an evangelical Christian gathering? The mysticism in Christianity has been sidelined in the same way that Sufism was sidelined from Islam.

    The division between East and West in the standard way of reason versus religion is itself a myth. Western thinkers have for example noted the extensive use of reason in Eastern mystic literature.

    Idiocy and ignorance transcend the concept of borders.

  24. shantam says:

    Jayesh and Amrito and friends have created a (fake) version of Osho that has a broad market niche.

    Abhay, unfortunately this is not the case. The strategy has failed utterly and absolutely. Pune ashram is world´s most under utilised meditation and wellness facility.

    There is a vast market potential for non-aligned wellness centres around the world, But Pune resort is not non aligned.
    It is a handicap version of Osho. It radiates pity in people´s mind. It does not suit with the sense and sensibilities of people.
    How you can rely on such people, who have taken the feathers away from their own masters, in the name of appeasing one and all, is a common doubt raised by many..

    The original and innocent development of the ahsram which was making it house full till 2000 is the way for Osho to flourish again in all around spring. There was no psychological barrier between initiated sannyasins and others…but somewhere it seems Jayesh thought, i am the person who is doing all the wheeling and dealing in property management and others are getting equal credit…

    And also the intention was that diluted Osho will be more acceptable to the vast untapped world, people will read compilations and will book the flights to Pune..it has not happened, and will not happen as long as the mind set remains the same.

  25. Gandhi says:

    Good analysis Swami Detective.

    Lokesh got obviously corrupted by his devotee Prem Bubbie. Bubbie wants to buy Lokesh’s new book, so the the two are becoming buddies. Maybe a re-union on Ibiza is in the works.

    The transition from Osho the man and Osho the buddha to
    Osho the corporate logo is in full swing in Pune.
    Real estate development to create new loft spaces for corporate disciples are in the planning, in order to exploit every square feet of sellable space.

    You have done a good job Lokesh in showing the racist undertones in Shantam’s writings, but made some big mathematical errors in mentioning your hundreds of private meetings with Osho in Pune 1, where you probably referred to darshans at the back porch of Lao Tzu House , where Osho received small groups of sannyasins. These were available on a 2-4 week circulation base and later replaced by energy darshans. Osho: And how are you today Lokesh?
    Enough for today.

  26. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Alok john // Jan 9, 2011 at 9:47 pm
    SN is flogging a dead horse!

    This is not flogging a dead horse, but raising unanswered questions again and agin till they will have to be answered by the dead hearts Poona Resort managment. Hwy are you so afraid Alok John >? AMrito your buddy ?? These cowards have not been able to challange Swami Rajneesh who clearly defeated them all in his arguments about the Osho Mandate. Rajneesh made it clear what is Mundane matters and what are Spiritual matters and how Inner Circle ( or Outermost Circle ) or the Baboons as he calls them have exploited sannyains are are damaging Osho work. This debate has to be raised again and again like Swami Rajneesh says
    What are Spiritual matters and what are Mundane matters and what powers the Managment pf Poona Resort have over these issues ??
    This is not a Dead Horse Alok John , but important issues that are being covered up and hidden !!

  27. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Untill Swami Rajneesh questiona are answered clearly, it is obvious to all sannyasiins that they are hiding and afraid of Rajneesh. If they have any real authority they should challange him. And answer his question for all to decide who is right.

  28. shantam says:

    Gyan Prakash,
    Why you always bring Rajneesh IN?
    rajneesh is one of the disciples, a branch of a big tree, may be more green than others but to think, he is the sole custodian is another extreme.
    Disciplehood is always a joint venture, a pilgrimage together. Those who don´t like to travel with others can have their own charted flights or travel with their motor bikes..

  29. shantam says:

    Gandhi, are you Anand incarnated or forest Gump born again?
    Just because your tone is more sober, all most non abusive, therefore you can answer my question with more persuasion.
    What are the reasons for the people to write with fictitious names at Sannyasnews?
    This is not the site for criminal, illegal or anti social activities, why even someone like you is not able to write with sannyasname?

  30. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Shantam Ji
    I have to bring Swami Rajneesh in again as in this matter of Spiritual and Mundane considerations, Rajneesh has been the most clear and vocal sannyasin who has raised clear questions which have not been able to be challanged by anyone. In this sannyas movement there is now a new energy as Rajneesh is not making any business out of Osho meditations. Most ashrams and all Osho Centers have made charging for Osho Therapies as their business and earning model for running their business. If you know anyone else i am willing to see them also. But i see no one at all, so what can i do ?? Only Swmai Bhram Vedant in Madhavpur is working out of compassion but is too old now to have any impact. I see Rajneesh to be the only one now. And his story and whole profile is True and Fire. When Bhagwan Rajneesh was alive, why were you all only talking about Him then ?? I am now in the same position as also searchig a true sannyas place, but have not come across ay Osho center which is real. I need to you answer if you know anyonie like Rajneesh and making similar efforts ??

  31. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Shantam Ji
    I have to bring Swami Rajneesh in again as in this matter of Spiritual and Mundane considerations, Rajneesh has been the most clear and vocal sannyasin who has raised clear questions which have not been able to be challanged by anyone. In this sannyas movement there is now a new energy as Rajneesh is not making any business out of Osho meditations. Most ashrams and all Osho Centers have made charging for Osho Therapies as their business and earning model for running their business. If you know anyone else i am willing to see them also. But i see no one at all, so what can i do ?? Only Swmai Bhram Vedant in Madhavpur is working out of compassion but is too old now to have any impact. I see Rajneesh to be the only one now. And his story and whole profile is True and Fire. When Bhagwan Rajneesh was alive, why were you all only talking about Him then ?? I am now in the same position as also searchig a true sannyas place, but have not come across ay Osho center which is real. I need to you answer if you know anyonie like Rajneesh and making similar efforts ??

  32. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    I also feel that sannyasins who are avoiding Rajneesh are jealous. Also their attacks are without any real substance or reasonable attacks, but immature emotional attacks. And Osho always says, That a Buddha will always be Misunderstood. Here we are again repeating history, and attacking our own Buddhas. When will we learn ??

  33. Lokesh says:

    Gandhi you don’t know what you are talking about. In early 1975 it was possible to sometimes have Darshan with Osho on his back porch three times a week. Greek Mukta was in charge of booking you in and one time she refused to give me a date saying, ‘Lokesh, you’ve already had darshan three times this week already. You have to allow other sannyasins a chance to speak to the master.’ She was right of course.
    Gandhi, you come across as being smug, a human quality that I would not wish to emulate. Two suggestions: Check your facts from a reliable source if you were not actually there. And please don’t misquote me. I spoke to Osho an at least a 100 separate occassions…hundreds would be a gross exagerration and if you recheck you will see that it is you that needs to check your mathematical errors.

    As a point of interest. I watched thousands of people have darshan with Osho. Some people got more out of one darshan than people who had the priviledge of much contact with the master. The point that I was originally making was that some people on this blog feel that they are somehow doing Osho’s work in a very misguided way. I believe that part of that has to do with the fact that they did not actually meet Osho close up or else how could it be possible for them to behave in such an unelightened way?

    You say, ‘You have done a good job Lokesh in showing the racist undertones in Shantam’s writings,’ Thank you for mentioning that. I hope some of the dullards who are waving the man’s flag also let this sink into their ignorant minds.

  34. Lokesh says:

    Prakash, you say: ‘I also feel that sannyasins who are avoiding Rajneesh are jealous. ‘
    Such a statement could only be produced by a narrow and rigid mind.
    Has it not occured to you that perhaps sannyasins are simply not interested in the man. Or perhaps they have no need to become involved with him. Although you seem enamoured with him perhaps it would be good for you to realize that there are cerain aspects of his personality that might make him particularly uninteresting to sannyasins. The fact that he is quite self righteous in his approach, that he is obviously copying many mannerisms from Osho, rather unnaturally it must be said, that he looks a little…sorry, Prakash….boring.
    Just because you think the sun is shining out of his ass does not mean that every one else perceives him in such a way. The fact that you get so worked up about this only signals that your ego is involved. If that were not the case you’d go about your business without having to wave Mr Rajneesh’s banner.

  35. Lokesh says:

    Shantam you say: ‘This is not the site for criminal, illegal or anti social activities.’
    If that were true you would not get away with your racist comments. In certain, more enlightened, parts of the world and society your red neck politics would be shunned.

    I personally believe that it is criminal to judge a person by his or her skin colour. I also think a person who persists in this is behaving in such a way could be judged criminal. It would require a very elastic imagination, stretched to its limits to imagine that your racist ideas were anything but anti social.
    You really are a very confused man. Perhaps one day you will awaken to this and see the error of your ways, but I will not hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

  36. shantam says:

    After days, without the active participation of fictitious persons, one can take the life issues in
    “Discussion Meditation.”
    A latest news will be of interest-
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Pak-origin-men-preying-on-white-girls-in-UK/articleshow/7254182.cms

    Lokesh, the racial profile is most probably part of our DNA, may be the software gone deeper in our hardware.
    Even if we both have the same blood group still we will be very much controlled by our individual and collective mind.

    It is very childish to think that very broadminded people are beyond the grip of light and shadow of their heritage, cultural conditioning and so on.

    Two western disciples in the same set of energy will respond in a totally different way as two Indian disciples in the same atmosphere.
    Potatoes and Tomatoes are different yet can be mixed in a right proportion. It may sound poltically incorrect but west is more like Potatoes..hard, dry yet part of the daily diet.
    India is more poetic, soft, ready to be eaten raw…Yet they can be as complimentary as prose and poetry.
    By accepting the limitations of one´s one thinking and behaviour, we can create the space for cultural integration rather than clash of the civilisations.

    In the world of Osho..where things are quite transparent one can see both the cultural mergers and the walls separating us.
    Those who really want to be free from mind, at least much acknowledge its presence.
    Or it is all MAYA..

    By putting the cart before the animal leads no where..

  37. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Lokesh has become a judge of Rajneesh.
    When Osho himself was constantly told about Swami Rajneesh behavious and mannerism and slow walking, Osho send a message to the Buddha Hall that Swami Rajneesh was the model sannyasin of the Ashram !! So it seems Lokesh is the Master of his Master Osho and also a greater judge of Rajneesh than Osho himself ??

  38. Lokesh says:

    The mist of ignorance lifts and Shantam is caught with his racist pants down. He quickly hops on his bike and does a bit of backpeddling. The thing is, once a comment is made on SN it stays there, thanks to our well worked out editorial policy here on SN. Shantam has made a lot of comments about those white-skinned bastards, but hey, that’s cool, he is not resposible…it is all the fault of DNA. What a lot of nonsense!
    To actually believe such bullshit simply shows a lack of responsibility on an individual level.
    This is not rocket science we are discussing here it is a human trait based in a lack of education, ignorance and irresponsibility. Shantam, instead of waffling on about a lot of shite that only idiots similar to your self are interested in why not use the internet to educate yourself.
    For example, put the words ‘what is the cause of racism?’ into your search engine and hey presto, you might find something that runs along the lines of…
    One of the root causes is ignorance. Also, it is a lack of understanding, and false perceptions about others which amounts to a lack of knowledge, which once again translates back to ignorance.

    Racism is not particular to one race, all of us – no matter what race we are – experiences racism. All of us need to be educated in an effort to minimize this kind of mentality.

    None of us see reality in its most perfect and purest form. We interpret what we read, we interpret what we hear, we interpret what we see and we call that reality when actually it could be the furthest thing from the truth. Perceptions of others can be correct and on target, or they can be incorrect and well off target. Its a perception and only a perception. We need as a society to bridge the gap, and this can only be accomplished when people understand the past, let it go, and move on to the future. The problem we have today, is that some people refuse to let the past go, and tend to harbor great resentment.(Sound familiar Shantam & Co?)

    Basically, people must be willing to change. Its not that they can not change, but they are in many cases unwilling to change.

    If there is anything that is stead-fast and unchanging, it is change itself. Change is inevitable. However, positive change can only evolve from enlightenment and understanding. Once again, we all need to be educated.

    So no excuses Shantam. You are an ignorant man, posing as a spiritual person. Who do you think you are fooling? Time to go back to school and educate yourself about some basic negative characteristics of yours that need weeding out.
    Forget about meditation for a while. You’ll need to learn to swim before you can deep sea dive. All your egotistic talk is a sham…in my eyes you are a beginner. To try and hi-jack a wonderful man like Osho’s vision and try to pervert it into your private one man crusade is below contempt.

  39. Lokesh says:

    Prakash, I don’t care enough about Rajneesh, to have any real judgements about him. I’m simply not interested in him, or you for that matter.

  40. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Lokesh, you are not even interested in anything but your superior Ego. All are stupid in front of you. Even Osho is stupid in front of your judgments. If you are not interested then why keep on making judgments ?? Always against everyone. Are you interestd in Shantam ?? Are you interested to have yourself heard here ?? Have your ego polished by telling us you had private Darshans ?? Who care about you here ?? We are speaking about Osho, His Dream to see Enlightened disciples after him. You are the judas who betray our Master Osho. Do you think 1000 Buddhas will come ?? Or just Osho was the last ??

  41. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    And please go to Punjaji or other Advaita masters fit for your Supreme Ego. Leave Osho and his dream for hundreds of living Buddhas from his disciples.

  42. Lokesh says:

    Prakash, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone informed me that you were actually a donkey. Hee-hawwww!
    Listening to the likes of you and your racist pal Shantam I am beginning to suspect that SN represents to you and your ilk a platform to voice your complete and utter ignorance about anything whatsever that matters in the world.
    You say, ‘Osho send a message to the Buddha Hall that Swami Rajneesh was the model sannyasin of the Ashram !!’
    A MODEL SANNYASIN!!! Osho always had a good sense of humour and that is one of his better jokes. You idiot! There is no such thing as a model sannyasin. Just the idea of it is contrary to the whole freedom that sannyas represents.

  43. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    You say, ‘Osho send a message to the Buddha Hall that Swami Rajneesh was the model sannyasin of the Ashram !!’
    A MODEL SANNYASIN!!! Osho always had a good sense of humour and that is one of his better jokes. You idiot! There is no such thing as a model sannyasin. Just the idea of it is contrary to the whole freedom that sannyas represents.

    Well, You are the greatest Idiiot, who cannot even read what is being said here.
    That Osho Himself sent this message that was announced in the BuddhaHall during one Sunday Sannyas by Ma Zareen and even Abhirbhava was next to her in BuddhaHall. It was announced ” that Osho says that Swami Rajneesh is the model sannyasin of the Ashram ” Now have you got it in your numbskull ??

  44. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Just for the Idiot Lokesh.
    Swami Rajneesh was invited by Osho to enter His bedroom first to open the Vipassana Walkway that was opened through his new bedroom. This as Osho considered Swami Rajneesh pure Vipassana man. Now what judgment have you to proclaim O Wise One Lokesh ??

  45. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    The Wise One O Lokesh should have offered Private Darshans to Osho, and thereafter to Punjaji, and now for all in Sannyas News. Of course, me and Shantam are the racist low people not worthy of His Highness Lokesh interest.

  46. Lokesh says:

    Prakash. Can’t you read. I’m not interested in Mr Rajneesh. I’ve never met the guy. Shiva sat at Osho’s feet for years and looked what happened with him on the ranch. Remember the God who failed? Or how about Sheela…she still speaks about Osho in the present tense…she must be enlightened…Or how about Teertha and dozens of others who were close to Osho and received honours, like sitting in the front line, until the old boy shot half of them down like sitting ducks.
    The way you talk about it sounds like a school boy counting gold stars on a report card.
    I never got much in the way of special acknowledgements on the outside in the seven years I spent round Osho…because Osho obviously saw that there was no need for them. Hee-hawwww!

  47. shantam says:

    Forget about meditation for a while. You’ll need to learn to swim before you can deep sea dive. All your egotistic talk is a sham…in my eyes you are a beginner. To try and hi-jack a wonderful man like Osho’s vision and try to pervert it into your private one man crusade is below contempt.Lokesh

    I have no defence to offer for your observation or judgement about me. In the journey of thousand miles one cannot waste his life on the tea shop gossips on the way.

    Sometime, it is not the contempraries but the generation next to find out who was hi jacking the vision and who stood for the restoration of the commands.
    The theme of this thread will not make any music, any memory in your heart Lokesh. You were not there.
    Your disillusion with Osho creeped In, once the Master grew out of your personal reach.
    The kiosk customers simply hate the supermall, specially when the Kiosk owner grows too fast to be the owner of that mall..

  48. Lokesh says:

    Shantam.The best thing that can happen to a sannyasin is to become disillusioned…that is the whole point of the game.
    Now you are trying to divert the attention away from your disgusting racist comments and talk about some imaginary disillusionment of mine concerning Osho. You are completely transparent on that level Shantam. I’ll give you this much though…you are not quite as stupid as donkey-barained Prakash. I’d always heard that pigs were quite smart. Now, run along and see what is waiting for you to eat in the bucket.

  49. shantam says:

    Somewhere, I agree with Lokesh´s sentence, ” Can’t you read. I’m not interested in Mr Rajneesh.”
    and rajneesh can be the generic name, for anybody, man or woman, enlightened or therapist, Satsang giver or musician…

    but there are people, who have their own special needs, one cannot prescribe a single receipt for everyone.
    Manytimes it is our own needs, which makes the share price of someone fall or rise.
    Few people will not buy the enlighenemt or Chrishma of ABC as penny share, for few it is the blue chip..

    Just the other day, One Mr. Bhaskar, a very sweet man who runs meditation academy in my city, asked me to translate one of his talks in Hindi.

    I thought man must be living in the illusion of spiritual grendure. I visit the people around him as i work with them but not because of him.
    So i responded politely, ” other than newspapers on the net and gossips with Sannyasins, i am unable to read anything else.”
    The Bible is just a book for many..for others it is a message from allmighty…

  50. Lokesh says:

    Shantam I highly recommend reading my first book ‘Mind Bomb’ and its sequel, ‘Borderline Dreamtime’. You might learn something and at the very least have a good laugh.
    Thanks to you and Prakash for this afternoons entertainment.
    All play and no work will make Lokesh a poor man, so it is off to my studio for the remainder of the evening.
    One world, one love.

  51. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Whatever be the case or debate about Rajneesh. The subject matter here is abou the Inner Circle mandate. And again i say that Rajneesh has the clearest argument against the Managment till now. And it is well articulated in his statements about this matter. He is clear and makes the poiint about Inner Circle overstepping their Mandate. This started with the subject matter, and why i see Rajneesh in certain light ?? So why has no one taken any interest in what is the subject matter ??

  52. shantam says:

    It will be a welcome age when more and more people come to the level of ultimate realisation…the culmination of some inner longing.
    But when hundreds of such people become teachers and gurus, than some kind of clinical or psychological study about such people will become the need of the time.
    I remember this old innocent man from Gujrat known as Mataji, who proclaims not to eat or drink anything for many decades..
    He did not just said about this, but brought himself into the clinical lab for round the clock study…
    I think the people in the guru trade also should check themselves in some kind of inner laboratory.
    In the light of their illuminating Being, they forget the pimples and the puss around..
    One of my friend in Delhi is so convinced about His connection with the divine laws, that once he comes on the public stage, within weeks the message will spread like a wild fire all over the globe. Best TV networks will make documentary about him. From that day onwards, world of spirituality will never be the same again.

  53. shantam says:

    Gyan Parkash, in one sense, Rajneesh needs an admiration because He is the only one among hundreds of other respectable sannyasins on the public arena who speaks about the inconvenient truth about the so called Inner circle.

    It always makes me wonder, why Delhi group does not take the lead..may be they are happy to build their own church around Osho….the convenient and mediocre way..selling the same kind of T shirts as everybody else in Palika Bazar, Connaught place New Delhi..(export enquires welcome)

  54. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Yes Shantam ji
    It needs real courage to face the crowd, and i having read Rajneesh story see an individual who is willing to stand up againt the crowd. He has walked his slow way for the past 30 years, and is creating Fire. If he was clever diplomat he could have easily joined even the Delhi group as Keerti is his close friend. Rajneesh seems to be authentic and i love him for his guts and sincierity in whatever i see happeing around him. Just looking at his website Tour images says it all. And nw his Free Osho website, which is designed so beautifully and with so much love and care. http://www.oshorajneesh.com See the ” O ” page content. I asked them a few days ago by email, and was told a new download button will be offered for all Free Download of Osho Photos ect in one page. Just see the website and their efforts. Also the new Osho Cocom will make all other centers afraid to charge so hign prices now. This is what Rajneesh said in his email, That he has found a way to destroy exploitation and misuse of Osho Vision, by offering all Free now.

  55. prem bubbie says:

    Gandhi- if you consider your brain as “champagne” ,then my one drop of piss is the best thing that has entered your glass in a long time!!!

  56. prem bubbie says:

    Swami Dick-dective, I’ll put your blathering into a few words: “When the cats away, the mice will play”, I think that sums up what’s been going on all over the world, not only at the “resort”.. I like to think of the “resort” as a cheap, bed-bug ridden motel, patronized by both hookers, johns and pimps… Say Swami Deick- how much did they charge you for a lay? No travelers cheques ,sorry. now little donkey, time to move on and do some real work for a change.

  57. prem bubbie says:

    I do like however, your comment above that mentions the cutting out of christian jokes so as to “retain the christian vote”. isn’t that the issue with the ‘Christian” fanatics who complain here about foul mouth jokes and insults? Parmartha is smart , he sees the same thing… yet he won’t stoop so low as to pacify some fanatics in sannyas garb.. I don’t think he cares much about retaining these “Christian” sannyas complainers and whiners. Good job Parmartha

  58. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    The Headline on this SannyasNews Page

    ” I will be known through my sannyasins ” – Osho

    And people like Bubbie and Martyn claim to be Osho Sannyasins. Foul mouth Osho Sannyasins. Yes Beloved Master Yes.

  59. prem bubbie says:

    lokesh- since prakash, anugrah, Anand(gandhi) and shantam say what they say in the name of osho, they are absolved of all misdeeds…. fuck the dna excuse shantam uses.. just shout “osho” over and over, and one turns into a spiritual virgin… some racket-aye?

  60. prem bubbie says:

    shantam is such an incredible hypocrite, that’s so obvious to me. he’s not a sly fox, cunning, smart, or even bright, he leaves tracks to follow even a blind lobotomy patient can see. he complains about others vitriolic and foul language,he then says even worse things, when confronted, he tries to steer people away by crying wolf about some other trivial matter…. You are a pathetic man Shantam. or are you Gandhi(Anand) in disguise… Say, what is your real name? where is your picture? identify yourself, ass-wipe.

  61. prem bubbie says:

    hey prakash- it’s obvious Osho was cracking a joke when he spoke about Sw. Rajneesh… you just don’t know how to take a joke or tell one for that matter… and you are a sannyasin? now, that’s a joke!!!

  62. prem bubbie says:

    Sorry lokesh, i didn’t get to your post about Rajneesh before i posted my response.. nice to see one intelligent joker posting!!! the rest of you– a bunch of serious- dumb-asses!!

  63. prem bubbie says:

    prakash- you idiot!! even at the ranch it was announced that osho declared there were “A Chosen Few”… like the numb-skulls most sannyasins are, rumors were flying around who those “Chosen Few” sannyasins were… many were upset that they weren’t on the list, especially the Ma’s. It got so bad, that osho himself had to straighten things out and said to all, it was only a joke.. that we all were the chosen few…. you’re one of those numb-skulls parakash… don’t cancel your appointment for a lobotomy yet

  64. prem bubbie says:

    I’m willing to finance a new web site for shantam and prakash… it’ll be called- “Sw’s Mumbles and Asswipe Sannyas News Portal and Commentary.”

  65. Lokesh says:

    Hi Bubbie, glad to see you’ve been holding the fort while I was slaving over a hot paint brush and canvas. Yes, the natives have been getting restless as usual, but nothing to worry about, just the same old, same old.
    There is a bit of a power struggle going on. Prakash is trying to sneak up behind Shantam and steal the crown of Idiocy from the numbskull’s numb skull. Even though Prakash was left permanently brain-damage when a large stone Ganesh statue toppled over and crushed his head at the age of three he still is smart enough to try flattering Shantam by adding the suffix ‘Ji’ to king chump’s name. Shantam does not seem to have noticed as he is too busy running round in inner circles.
    Well, you’ll have to excuse me now, I must be on my way and return to orbit in the outer, outer circle. Home sweet home. Anchors away!

  66. prem bubbie says:

    “And Sailor Shantam agrees, shouting to Pilot Prakash- ‘Well Blow Me Down’!!! Thereby unleashing tidal waves of tribulations towards the Pilot., then down the mast went, dangling along side the barrels of spiced rum…. drunk were the boys, singing songs of love for their captain, who disappeared long ago into the solar sunset of evening primrose; guided by the north star to his eternal meeting with jokers and scoundrels alike. ” Rajneesh!” they all laughed, “The slow walker from Motel Hell” “He is your model Pilot”, – “Some pilot” the captain said…. “he steered my ship into the rocks while combing his beard, pass the gas, please, i need a good laugh”.

  67. Lokesh says:

    Jumping Jack Flash, it’s a…

    Currently listening to Sting, ‘The wind cries Mary’, with John Maclauchlin on lead guitar.

  68. Lokesh says:

    I’m really concerned about the inner circle. Will they take over from the Illuminati? Will they unleash their full power in December 2012? Is Shantam a reincarnation of Lama Blammy Ding-Dong? Is Prakash an alien lightbulb? Is Swami Detective the third man? Is Anugrah real or just a nightmare. Could Shahriar be Crowley’s scarlet woman in drag?
    It’s serious questions like these that rob me of the solace of sleep. No rest for the wicked. Where is Osho when I need him?

  69. Gandhi says:

    If Swami Rajneesh follows through with his model of offering Osho meditations, groups and Osho Talks or free in Goa, he will for sure get the attention of the management team of the Osho Resort in Pune…and from the Delhi group as well.

    Last rumor: Prem Bubbie and Lokesh got married in a fancy ceremony in Ibiza. Just keep away from he champagne….

  70. Gandhi says:

    Anybody seen Prem Bubbie: stuck at the ranch in 1985.
    Last time I saw my beloved dog Prem Bubbie it was under a trailer at Subhuti on the ranch.
    He was drinking his own piss and just ejaculated on the kitchen floor of the Ma Sunrise. Sunrise gave him a beating and he got lost in the forrest. He is a brown terrier with a short tale. One leg is a bit shorter. Please help me, I love him so much. Poor Bubbie, nothing to eat…where are you? Lost in the Oregonian woods.

  71. prem bubbie says:

    last time i saw myself at the ranch was in an A-frame shagging your wife, Anand(Gandhi). We then proceeded to the disco(after of course, taking a long 5 minute shower). there, we whirled around together, your Mrs. whispering jokes about your penis size. We rolled around some more on the dance floor, your wife then turn her ass toward me, popping it up in the air, i grabbed it, slapped it around(lightly), what a jiggling mass of ass! I whipped out my “Johnson”, and slapped that tush silly, then slid it g-e-n-t-l-y inside… “OOOH” she moaned asKool n’ the Gang’s, “Get down on it”, thumped in the back round…. All the while the swamis and ma’s cheered on chanting “Hoo, Hoo, Hoo”… Yes, that was my last memory of the Ranch… such a dull night it was.

  72. shantam says:

    Hi Bubbie, glad to see you’ve been holding the fort while I was slaving over a hot paint brush and canvas. Yes, the natives have been getting restless as usual, but nothing to worry about, just the same old, same old. Lokesh

    By encouraging some asshole like that sick man who is hiding behind the name Bubbie is like supporting the suspect of Tucson or similar Massacres committed by the white supermists or religious terrorists..

  73. shantam says:

    Three days meditation and sannyas event wil be held on 17, 18th and 19th Jnauary, 2011, just few hundred meters away from Osho Ashram (resort) in an public avenue.
    “Way of the heart” is in commemoration of Osho´s leaving the body 21 years ago.
    And the participation cost for this event. 200 Rupees(3 Euros or 4.5 US Dollars) per day which includes breakfast, lunch and evening tea.

    What will happen in the ashram during that day.
    Nothing extraordinary. Every day is a celebration, so why to follow some special days…

    When some higher spiritual truths come in the hands of childish minds, they try to use them vigrously as some child feels proud to find another use for Mama´sTampons. Something solid for nose cleaning!
    But only till the extent it does not interfare in their own belief system..

  74. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, ‘But only till the extent it does not interfare in their own belief system..’
    What about your belief system? The one that says you need an enemy, in this case Bubbie, to define your self. I don’t agree with everything Bubbie says, but I feel that way about most people. When it all boils down, Bubbie can be funny and he stirs this pot of soup rather well, always managing to get a reaction out of the likes of you.
    The point you are missing is this. Unless I am very much mistaken I don’t see Bubbie as being anti-Osho, What I do see him as being against is a bunch of right-wing racists and people who feel the need to control and curtail the activities of others like your narrow and stuborn-minded self.
    Without the likes of Bubbie this blog would soon turn into a completely boring place with the likes of you spouting comments from your self righteous agenda about how number seventeen should be run. Not to mention your crude innuendoes…I mean to say, Shantam, your deep contact with Osho does not seem to be doing much for you on the level of relating to the fairer sex. You complain about sensitive souls steering away from this site because of profane and obscene language, yet the slightest provocation has you throwing mama’s tampons sround and posting racist comments because of your DNA programme. You think women like to read that kind of pathetic dirt? Time to check that belief system of yours…it is full of holes and leaking crap all over the shop.

  75. Gandhi says:

    Yes Bubbie, not sure who you talk about, since I have no wife, but one of my girlfriends of that time remembered you. It was in one of Teertha’s Encounter groups, where they brought that dog in from outside…he thought he was human and was sniffing around and them someone gave him the name Prem Bubbie….. they had to deep clean that group room though, he was a nasty stinker,,,

  76. Lokesh says:

    Your Bubbie as a dog analogy is not exactly original, Gandhi, and is now wearing extremely thin due to overuse. Perhaps it is time to move on to more fertile ground to exercise your imagination.

  77. Swami Detective says:

    Poetry Corner

    There is a time to shed your tears, as parched earth always welcomes a drenching. Tears from where or over whom matter not in baron lands. Return that which has been received and lighter shall you be. That which is sadness or joy in you is not yours but given to you for a time. Rest not until you have partied into weary collapse. It cannot be otherwise. One cannot exist without the other. We fear sadness so in avoidance follow joy. Yet, sadness will follow joy as night follows day. We fear the fragility of abundance so instead live cushioned and lifeless. Yet the tempestuous will follow the stagnant and muted, as each silent dawn is pierced by the chattering day. Brightness of day folds over into unknown twinkling, separated by a flash of colour and fading glow.

  78. Lokesh says:

    The intelligence of the heart creates poetry in your life.
    Osho.

  79. Gandhi says:

    Lokesh likes to defend his brother Bubbie, ‘Brothers in Arms’…together we strike. Hey Lokesh can I also buy a book from you and become your friend?

    back to the Inner Circle: from the original 21 members only about four are let (Jayesh, Amrito, Garimo, Jayantibai) (?). And since no new members are recruited the total membership is only around 10 or 11. So anyway obviously not valid anymore and all decisions are made by one. What else is new?

  80. shantam says:

    Bubbie can be funny and he stirs this pot of soup rather well, always managing to get a reaction out of the likes of you..
    It is not just Bubbie, the name Frank was the funniest, the man behind the martyn is also not less funny,intelligent or provocative..
    Yet i would like to know, from anyone of you, and every body is ducking this question…
    What is the psychological need to hide behind the bush and play Guerrilla warfare..
    Secondly, it is not a question of freedom of expressions, because the base point is discussion,
    It is interactive by nature. People respond and react to the others, and here it shows the immense inner sickness and cowardliness of the bubbie beings to stay behind the armor.

  81. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    prem bubbie // Jan 10, 2011 at 9:52 pm
    hey prakash- it’s obvious Osho was cracking a joke when he spoke about Sw. Rajneesh… you just don’t know how to take a joke or tell one for that matter… and you are a sannyasin? now, that’s a joke!!!

    Well Bubbie, it must have been a very special Osho joke as it was announced in the middle of Sannyas Celebration. And ofcourse Osho is Master of Masters, so wait till you catch up with this special joke. Ofcourse, I am not your type of sannyasin.

  82. shantam says:

    A single person is not just a single person, he is the Representative of a family, culture, city, country and continent.
    When one is dealing with the people of another cultures and races, it even becomes more important to play fair and clean.

    For example, when Al quada kind of junkies do the massacres, blame falls on the collective net work of 2 billion people. How so ever others condemn their barbarous acts, the real criticism can come only through the community within.

    If some foreigner like me is caught travelling without ticket, the other passengers will not see me just a person but it will also nourish the collective prejudice that Indians are corrupt and dishonest..

    I cannot imagine any Indian how so ever vulgar, spoiled uneducated and rough may be to fall to the level of western fakers…

    I can simply say to them and their sympathisers..just Fuck off…..even a woman standing on the road sides doing business has more substance, more personality, more integrity…than these fakers..

  83. shantam says:

    Gyan Parkash, what someone boasts about his heroic acts among the family and friends, it will be termed as dinner time gossips.
    But when the same heroic news become part of the social folklore, one need to check the authenticity of the story..
    Rajneesh can highlight some acknowledgement from Osho..but it is still with small b and not with BIG B

    I think there must be few thousand of people still alive, who got some kind of certificate from Osho during 35 years of His public life.
    The time has shown these certificates had no value, almost like 10 trillion dollars worth of Zimbabwe note.

    But yes..every gesture from Osho can be a priceless present for the highly personal journey of oneself into the merger with universe..

  84. shantam says:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/lone-wolf-killers-fame-politics/story?id=12583783

    Lone Wolf Killers: It’s About Fame, Not Politics

    America has been plagued for decades by acts of violence attributed to lone wolves. The assassinations of the 1960′s made household names of the men responsible.

    The number of men, mostly young, who have sought similar notoriety since then only seems to have increased, up to this weekend’s accused murderer, Jared Loughner. “I think John Lennon had more to do with this than Sarah Palin,” said Welner.

    “Most of them are very socially uncomfortable,” said Brad Garrett, a former FBI profiler and special agent, “and so as a result they tend to withdraw and become more and more isolated and that is the reason I think we call them lone wolves because it’s like they can’t work in the pack, in other words they can’t work in society.”
    Garrett, now an ABC News consultant, said he believes “there are thousands of people in this country like Mr. Loughner.”

    FEW OF THESE MILD LONE WOLVES BECAME SANNYASINS TOO.

  85. Lokesh says:

    Gandhi, you ask, Hey Lokesh can I also buy a book from you and become your friend?

    Hey Gandhi, did nobody ever tell you that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
    I don’t care what a dim wit like you does.

  86. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, you say, ‘I think there must be few thousand of people still alive, who got some kind of certificate from Osho during 35 years of His public life.’
    Yes, I agree. Take my humble self for instance. Osho gave me a name and a bit of silk paper with his signature on it to proove it.
    Is this significant or am I just getting carried away with my own self importance. All comments welcome, even from feeble-minded simpletons like Gandhi.

  87. shantam says:

    After Susan gave birth to a baby, her doctor stood solemnly at her bedside.
    “I have something I must tell you about your baby.”
    Alarmed, Susan demanded: “What’s wrong?”
    “Your baby is a hermaphrodite.”
    “What’s that?”
    “It means your baby has both male and female parts.”
    “Oh my Gosh that’s wonderful!” Susan exclaimed. “You mean it has a penis and a brain?”

    (courtesy-jivan´s circular mails)

  88. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, for posting that terrible joke you now have my permission to join the outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer outer circle

  89. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Finally something i can read of Lokesh. Yes Shantam is ” outer ” or what Rajneesh calls ” the FAR OUT CIRCLE “

  90. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Something i can read of Lokesh. Yes Shantam is ” outer ” or what Rajneesh calls ” the FAR OUT CIRCLE “

  91. shantam says:

    hermaphrodite — thanks Liberty Dienstag, 11. Januar, 2011 06:18 Uhr
    Von: Kontaktdaten An: “Feroza”

    OMG! J.

    After Susan gave birth to a baby, her doctor stood solemnly at her bedside.
    “I have something I must tell you about your baby.”
    Alarmed, Susan demanded: “What’s wrong?”
    “Your baby is a hermaphrodite.”
    “What’s that?”
    “It means your baby has both male and female parts.”
    “Oh my Gosh that’s wonderful!” Susan exclaimed. “You mean it has a penis and a brain?”

    one more terrible joke-
    Science lesson

    The 6th grade science teacher, Mrs. Parks, asked her class,
    ‘Which human body part increases to ten times its size when stimulated?’

    No one answered until little Mary stood up and said,
    ‘You should not be asking sixth graders a question like that! I’m going to tell my parents, and they will go and tell the Principal, who will then fire you!’

    Mrs. Parks ignored her and asked the question again,
    ‘Which body part increases to 10 times its size when stimulated?’

    Little Mary’s mouth fell open. Then she said to those around her,
    ‘Boy, is she going to get in big trouble!’

    The teacher continued to ignore her and said to the class,
    ‘Anybody?’

    Finally,Billy stood up, looked around nervously, and said,
    ‘The body part that increases 10 times its size when stimulated is the pupil of the eye.’

    Mrs. Parks said, ‘Very good, Billy,’ then turned to Mary and continued.
    ‘As for you, young lady, I have three things to say:
    One, you have a dirty mind.
    Two, you didn’t read your homework.
    And three, one day you are going to be very, VERY disappointed.’

    .

  92. Gandhi says:

    ok let’s remember, we are all buddha nature
    even easy to offend Lokesh
    and his buddy/bubbie
    and both of their dogs
    Shantam has buddha nature too Indian style
    Anand, Frank and even Prem Martyn

    now let’s go back to bitching…
    I have heard that this saturday there is a party in Ibiza
    and Bubbie will fly over from Oregon to sing songs
    together with Lukesh, old songs from the ranch..
    there will be potluck, Scotch and Bubbie promised
    to bring his photo archive… huhu

  93. shantam says:

    Lokesh, There are more than two third women in the list of Prem Jeevan, the ma behind the circular mail, who receive such terrible jokes regularly..

    Such jokes will remain part of Sannyas life, because Osho is the only Master, who recited such terrible jokes in the same way as sermons on the stones..

    I am sure, whenever some disciple of Osho listen or read such jokes, he will feel the vibes of Osho touching on the Buddha hall podium..

  94. Lokesh says:

    Funny enough I read quite a good Osho joke today. Here it is.

    Construction worker on the 5th floor of a building needed a handsaw. So he spots another worker on the ground floor and yells down to him, but he can’t hear him. So the worker on the 5th floor tries sign language.

    He pointed to his eye meaning “I”, pointed to his knee meaning “need”, then moved his hand back and forth in a hand saw motion. The man on the ground floor nods his head, pulls down his pants, whips out his cock and starts masturbating.

    The worker on 5th floor gets so pissed off he runs down to the ground floor and says, “What the fuck is your problem!!! I said I needed a hand saw!”.

    The other guy says, “I knew that! I was just trying to tell you – I’m coming!”

  95. prem bubbie says:

    lokessh- i believe this “Gandhi” is Anand using another name, which i really don’t careif he does, his style of writing and his remarks made are very similar to Anand’s… he lacks any creativity, even humor…. way back, he said he was gone from this place due to some intelligent readers accepting my raw humor and pointed insults, he couldn’t take it…. He just can’t seem to get away from this site, so, instead of admitting it, he feels the need to create another character…. he’s as original as Mr.Sw. Brian Rajneesh… a true mental deficient.

  96. prem bubbie says:

    shantam- the east has been plagued collections of “lone wolf” assassins for thousands of years… you still think the east is spiritually more advanced that the west… you jack ass!!

  97. prem bubbie says:

    shantam, you keep saying the same thing over and over and expect different responses from those with intelligence… that, you dope, is the definition of insanity…. wacko!!!

  98. prem bubbie says:

    great joke lokesh…. was the guy on the 5th floor shantam, or Anand(Gandhi)?

  99. prem bubbie says:

    as for anand’s last joke, at least with shantam he copies his jokes from some one else; anand well, that uncreative dim wit just proved my point.

  100. prem bubbie says:

    How can “buddha nature” be Indian “style”?” anand proves yet again his wastage of 35 years with his so-called “meditations”. keep sailing the high seas pal, too bad the earth isn’t flat, you’d be the first to prove that and fall right off the edge.

  101. Lokesh says:

    Bubbie, you sound like you are shouting at ghosts.
    Anyway, just fired off a wee article to the editor here. I enjoyed pieceing it together.
    Anand comes across like a man who is carrying a chip on his shoulder. Gandhi comes across like a real tonto, minus his expanding headband.
    I’m not concerned in the least about anyone’s ‘true’ identity on SN. I can’t quite understand how Shantam does not get it that it is normal practice to use a nom de plume on a blog.

  102. shantam says:

    No one bothers about the identity of the comment writers at newspapers. But all the best papers have the buttons for flash, like, Report abuse,offensive

    Also as i wrote in the morning, snews is not just a blog but a continious discussion forum, where people react and response to the thoguhts of others.
    Unless some one is the list of FBI´s most wanted list or the local sexual offender´s list, i don´t see any reason why someone should not be clean about one´s own presence, specially those masked teenegers who are abusive by nature..
    I will even prefer that the crime branches of the countries should check the identity of the comment writers in case of some unresolved crimes.
    So simple it is to be fair and clear…

    I will not reduce sannyasnews into a simple blog. It is a platform for Osho´s disciples to share their views and the observations on the way..

    Sannyasnews is also a medium where the seekers can rest for a while and discuss the unknown curves in the inner spectrum, after all every body is not in the need for private tuitors..

  103. Gandhi says:

    Prem Bubbie, the SN pisser has a hard time when the joke is on him.

    And what is your idea, that I am Anand? Since Anand was fictious and last time I heard was sailing the Indian ocean…
    And Gandhi..by the way Gupta Gandhi full name…..

    We are all consciousness, beings of light and the I is the part which needs to overcome, dropped…see next chapter from enlightened being Buddha Lokesh.

    Shantam, there are either blogs with blog names or blogs with real names. Who really cares? The persona is a dream an idea, blown in the wind.
    Who is Frank, Martyn, Bob, etc. ? Nobodies really until we all are awaken. Until then, mind stories are drifting by, all dreams really…. You might as well just enjoy,
    or wait until Parmatha changes the rules of this game.

    And Bubbie lighten up. An earthworm living in utter darkness is still incarnating towards the light, so there is hope.

  104. prem bubbie says:

    Gupta the Guppie writes: “And Bubbie lighten up.” Now that’s a joke coming from a serious guy…. ha, ha….. ho, ho, h-u-m.

  105. Gandhi says:

    The world has changed Bubbie,
    the poles are shifting..
    and the joke is on you.

    Bubbie a barking dog with no teeth.
    miau, miau

  106. prem bubbie says:

    I borrow my false teeth from shantam, though rotted through , they do deliver a nice bite now and then… regarding the earth’s shifting poles… it “spins me right round, like a record baby, right round, round, round”. “I want your L-O-V-E”…. NOT!!!!

  107. prem bubbie says:

    lokesh- i am chasing ghosts- in the machine…. “Are spirits, living in the material world… are spirits…”