Some Punters have asked us about this picture. It shows Mark Zuckerberg, (founder of Facebook) and Amrito at the Pune Resort, about ten years ago. We think Zuckerberg only visited the Resort once.
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Amrito used to be called Devaraj. He has at least two straight names, John Andrews, and George Meredith. (This latter was the name of quite a famous Victorian English novelist (though virtually unknown now). Some punters wanted to know this information.
There´s something thoroughly wrong with that digital photo-montage…
Hope there´s no need from your side, UK/SN Team, to suspect me of indulging in conspiracy thought-processing or something like that, concerning issues of (emotional) manipulation in social-virtual net-working (and its exploitation).
Madhu
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Other week I was in Wellness area of fitness studio reading news on my mobile and suddenly I see a whatsapp message of a friend with this photo, Mark Zuckerberg in Ashram.
I wrote back, “Is this a breaking news? Have you seen at the official wall of Osho Resort?”
In my mind I thought if it is latest photo though does not look like, it will boost the morale of Osho International as if they have created a multi-billion dollar product worthy of changing the destiny of humanity.
The friend wrote back in a minute, “It is on the wall of someone but not at official page.”
In 2010, Zuckerberg was in Pune at the private event and visited Resort as one of the tourist spots and also was eager to see the place whose followers have shared maximum photos of its founder.
During his next visit to India he has gone to Neem Karoli baba’s ashram with reverence because Apple founder has mentioned this in his memoirs.
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Something about Amrito`s pose…
Well, holy man in picture proves his uncorrupted transformation by red nose tip and full rise pose.
Shantam says, “a multi-billion dollar product worthy of changing the destiny of humanity.”
You have to give it to the man, when it comes to hyperbole Shantam takes the chapati. Besides, the idea that the world needs changing is just a mind set. Some say the world is perfect as it is. Take Amrito’s dress sense…perfectly naff. The guy looks like he is working in an operating theatre, that is not operating very well.
Ultimately, Shantam completely overestimates Osho’s impact on the world. Yes, he did have an impact but to speak about changing the destiny of humanity is utter shite.
You don’t really understand the difference between fact and opinion, do you, Lokesh?
Lokesh,
P.S:
Your influence in the world is closer to Shantam’s, or mine for that matter, than it is to Osho’s.
Shantam Prem,
Have you actually ever had any one-to-one with Osho?
Swami Anand Anubodh says:
8 October, 2017 at 2:59 am
Shantam Prem,
Have you actually ever had any one-to-one with Osho?
Sheela, Vivek, Jayesh, Neelam, Dr. and dentist have hundred times more one-to-ones with Osho.
Is it not so, Anubodh?
Let us say, you had few one-to-ones with Osho and still so coward and calculated that you tremble with the idea of writing with your head held high on this innocent website dedicated only to Osho and His people.
Meeting one-to-one with Osho or any master is not a sure sign of being honest, clear, aware and awake. Time has exposed many myths and one of them is too much hype about being with a living master.
Yes, from the day one of His arrival in Pune till His departure to burning ghat, most of the days I was in Buddha Hall and have continued to be there till 2007. 20 years phase when I used to say, for me, Pune is the world and 17, Koregaon Park, the centre of my world.
So that it is clear to everyone, in the many years spent at the Poona ashram, Shantam Prem, has never actually met Osho.
“So that it is clear to everyone, in the many years spent at the Poona ashram, Shantam Prem, has never actually met Osho.”
Are not you making fool of yourself Swami Anubodh and basically putting on stake those moments people have with their this or that Osho down the ages?
Now, you idiot, make fun of Pope Frances, he was not with Jesus, and your pygmy mind can feel solace; Dalai Lama was not with live Buddha and you got the chance to be with similar being.
If being with Living Osho is that important then it is a crude dishonesty on the part of Osho not to dissolve his circus post-demise. It seems Anubodh´s Osho is the founder of new kind of haves and have-nots?
SP,
I notice in this string that you commend Madhu for the polite way she posted a question to you, and your condemnation of those whose tone on SN is aggressive.
I thought my question to you about your total lack of personal contact with Osho was (although very embarrassing) not impolite. Yet, you have responded by implying that I am a fool or idiot and that I have a “pygmy mind”.
Is this how you will treat Osho lovers when you are finally put in charge of the Resort? Or only those who challenge you?
Please know that Pope Francis and Jesus, Dalai Lama and Buddha all lived many generations apart. Therefore no personal contact was possible. You were with Osho at the same time and place, with him having no knowledge of your existence.
I find that baffling for someone who claims to know what is best for all things Osho.
Oh, btw -
Osho’s circus actually has been dissolved post-demise (maybe on his instruction) by the gentleman standing with Mark Zuckerberg.
Isn’t this why you are always complaining?
Shantam Prem, you used to say about a 20 years phase: “Pune is the world and 17, Koregaon Park, the centre of my world.”
Understandable.
How and where would you describe or locate ‘the centre of your world now-here? I would be sincerely interested to hear/read your response to that.
Madhu
Madhu,
First of all, thanks for asking in a polite way. Communication can happen only when tone is not aggressive.
Few things are shared on one-to-one basis on the base of trust. I will let you know when i have a chance to be in Munich. We may meet and talk over a cup of cappuccino!
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Wondering if Amrito received the red roses or they were for Zuckerberg ? !
This reminds me of my meeting with Steve Jobs in Hard Rock Cafe once. He simply introduced himself to me, saying, “Hi, I am Steve Jobs” & I said, “Hi Steve, how are you? & he sat down & we had drinks & a chat for a while about nothing. Unfortunately, I didn’t think about taking any photos with him at the time. But he certainly has left good memory. .
Shantam,
You really need to try and understand the meaning of projection. Just like pretty much everything you say about everyone, these words are a description of you.
I am not for the people who run the ashram. I am also not against them. I, unlike you, have had managerial experience in a commercial operation, but also in a situation managing volunteers; and whatever failings they may have they still have a thousand times more credibility than you.
Kavita,
Shantam confuses everybody with himself.
A few weeks back, Arpana wrote a comment relating to how “some” people writing on SN were addicted to the site. There was no mention of who those people were, but one thing is for sure he has to be part of the some, because he is constantly commenting on SN, usually in the form of attacking someone or other, often for reasons that appear difficult to fathom.
If there is no obvious reason for pouncing on whoever he deems to be the foe then he will fabricate one in order to maintain his role as SN’s sole policeman, ‘putting people in their place’, a term he has delivered to me, although how he imagines himself as a place putter in the first place, or where that place actually is remains a mystery.
A good example is the following:
I comment, “Ultimately, Shantam completely overestimates Osho’s impact on the world. Yes, he did have an impact but to speak about changing the destiny of humanity is utter shite.”
Then Arpana comes away with the following:
“Lokesh, P.S: Your influence in the world is closer to Shantam’s, or mine for that matter, than it is to Osho’s.”
This makes it sound like I was comparing myself to Osho, which is absurd. Yet, this is not the first time he has said this sort of thing as if it were a fact rather than some weird projection that he uses me to project on, because there is no way on earth I would compare myself to Osho. There is no need and I simply cannot relate to such a preposterous notion.
Further along the thread Arpana comes away with the following: “Shantam, you really need to try and understand the meaning of projection.”
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Just like writing about being addicted to SN and not seeing his own part in it he does the same with the concept of projecting…it’s always someone else who is doing it, never him.
Arpana pounces on another commentator. They stand up for themself. Arpana labels them as being defensive.
If Arpana has it in for another commentator, or he does not agree with their point of view, that person is projecting.
For me, Arpana represents what happens when a person is given psychological tools at a point in their life, when those tools come in very handy in terms of coping and dealing with the complex world of social interaction.
Nothing lasts for ever and some tools lose their power with the passage of time, or else they simply become obsolete or, as in Arpana’s case, they become something to be abused…instead of being used on oneself they are used on others to inflict harm, or simply needle people. I think most of the regulars here on SN are aware of these things. I see no harm bringing them into focus.
I have often felt that a certain section of the sannyasin community has become complacent, smug with where they got to thanks to Osho. Such an attitude leaves one prone to stagnation. If you want a picture of how that looks, look no further than Amrito in the photo that makes up part of this thread’s article. The man looks ridiculous. CEO of what exactly? The Burgundy Pyjama Club? It’s a fucking joke.
And that is how stupid we make ourselves look if we are based in what once was. Fucking stagnant! If you want to stay fresh life is always at its most vibrant round about here and now, learning new ways to interpret life, being open to receiving new tools that will help us on our journey. If you want to stagnate, do not change, keep relating to others the way you always have, if someone disagrees tell them its a projection and if someone tells you that you are fucked up…well, they are just being defensive.
As for Mark Zuckerberg…who gives a fuck?
@ Lokesh. 8 October, 2017 at 3:14 pm
LOL. You really do feel threatened and on the defensive. You’ve been stewing on that for a while. Preparing your rationalisation, to prove, well to yourself, I am wrong.
Yes. I am definitely addicted to Sannyas News; unlike you, Lokesh, who can walk away any time and never come back. ROTFLMAO.
“If you want to stay fresh life is always at its most vibrant round about here and now, learning new ways to interpret life, being open to receiving new tools that will help us on our journey.
As for Mark Zuckerberg…who gives a fuck?”
Standing lol-ovation!
Cool, Veet, I took my time with the comment. I suppose because I really meant what I said.
“Nothing lasts for ever and some (psychological) tools lose their power with the passage of time, or else they simply become obsolete or, as in Arpana’s case, they become something to be abused…instead of being used on oneself they are used on others to inflict harm, or simply needle people. I think most of the regulars here on SN are aware of these things. I see no harm bringing them into focus.” (Lokesh).
Yes, Lokesh, no harm at all to bring ´that group-dynamics into focus, not at all !
And never forget, while doing it, that for the one finger pointing
´outward´ three or more fingers may be pointing back, and I remember you yourself, Lokesh, stating that – every now and then.
And thank you for this! As I took it for an everlasting reminder: Not that easy to get out of the game though, is it?
This passage of yours I quoted brings some very needed fresh air into the stuckness of relating here.
To point out habits of abuse and heavy abuse on the way though amongst fellow-travellers is a very important issue, a topic in itself, not to be neglected!
Thanks bringing such into consciousness again, here-and-now!
Madhu
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ALSO, MANY RECENT POSTS HAVE BEEN DELETED AS SN DOESN’T INTEND TO BE A FORUM FOR ONGOING PERSONAL ABUSE, OR TO BE USED AS A PLATFORM FOR ANYONE’S ONGOING AGENDA.
Hi Madhu, you say “three or more fingers may be pointing back, and I remember you yourself, Lokesh, stating that – every now and then.”
Yes, it is a good line. Not mine, taken partly from a song by Bob Marley. The full text of the verse is as follows:
“(The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too,
So while you point your fingers someone else is judging you).
Love your brotherman!
(Could you be – could you be – could you be love?
Could you be – could you be love?).”
Good, Lokesh, that you shared where your inspiration is rooted in; in the context of happening here quite a cunning ´loop´.
Thanks for sharing this – reminds me of:
´What do we here really know about one each other?´
(Not to speak of ´brotherhood or sisterhood´ and conditionings… transparent/untransparent AND beyond).
Madhu
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“As for Mark Zuckerberg…who gives a fuck?”
This is the best Sufi, Zen or Mystical sentence coming from the man who has walked his talk.
Here I remember once sannyas begging bowl was getting overflowed when Lady Gaga quoted some sentence on creativity from Osho´s book.
Some guys are really jealous of Amrito. LOL.
His jacket and shirt are cool and the flowers as well.
I wonder if that young girl by his side is his girlfriend…Maybe!
He is not young anymore, but still very handsome! Maybe the gin? Maybe Dynamic? Who cares? What works!
LOL.