Amrito’s View of Osho

(Sannyas News thinks the reasoning of Amrito as put forward in the text below, taken from an earlier article by him does “explain” many of the seeming unpopular decisions that Osho International and the Resort have been making since Osho’s death. SN ourselves retain a certain editorial neutrality on Amrito’s view, but it is worthy of rational discussion and respect. This particularly because Amrito was close to Osho over many years when he was alive and as his Doctor cared for his body for some 10 years or more. It is also sometimes forgotten that Amrito was almost murdered by one of Sheela’s henchwomen at Rajneeshpuram in 1985 and spent a month in hospital recovering from a poison injection. This was because of the loyalty of his perceived discipleship to Osho at that time.)

Amrito says
“It is so easy to project our spiritual ideas onto Osho”

However, Osho explained that he “always wanted NOT to be a master to anybody. Osho said” But people want a Master, they want to be disciples, hence, – I played the role. It is now time to say to you that many of you are ready to accept me as a friend”. ” (quote from The last Testament, Volume 3, Chapter 23)

Osho totally supports Buddha’s insight that the ancient relationship between the Master and the disciple would become irrelevant 25 centuries later.

Osho said that it was Buddha’s ” Clarity of perception – he was not predicting anything – just his clarity to see that things are changing, as they have changed in the past and as they go on changing, it would take 25 centuries for the Master/Disciple relationship to become out of date”.

Then, Osho goes on to say, those who are enlightened would become simply friends to those who are not.

Osho also dealt with how he wanted to be remembered

Osho said “I would like to be forgiven and forgotten. There is no need to remember me. THE NEED IS TO REMEMBER YOURSELF! People have remembered Buddha, Jesus, Confucius and Krishna. THAT DOES NOT HELP (you). So I would like: forget me completely, and forgive me too – because it will be DIFFICULT to forget me. That’s why I am asking you to forgive me for giving you this trouble!

“Remember yourself. And dont be bothered about historians and all kinds of neurotic people. They will do their thing- let it be none of our concern at all”. (From The Transmission of the Lamp, Chapter 23).

On other occasions Osho put things even more bluntly

“Guru is a dirty word. Because all gurus have just been exploiting people in the name of spirituality. I dont belong to that gang. AND I am NOT an Indian in the sense that I dont believe in nationalities. I simply believe the whole earth should be one”.

“It is such an absurd effort to force living human beings to worship the dead rather than finding the deeper layers of life within themselves. Giving them teddy bears outside, consolations – ugly consolations, degrading consolations…. as far as I am concerned, I am simply making every effort to make you free from everybody – INCLUDING ME – and to just be alone on the path. ”

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280 Responses to Amrito’s View of Osho

  1. Satya Deva says:

    Precisely and exactly!

    Shantam, Anugrah, Brian Rajneesh, Neerav, ‘Catholic Sannyasins’ – please read, absorb and inwardly digest!

  2. prem bubbie says:

    Mr. Sw. Amrito avoids another quote of osho’s; to paraphrase-, “Always remember me when I’m gone”. whether Amrito accidentally forgot to mention this or deliberately did so just to support his views is another matter… yet TIME AND AGAIN former and current sannyasins seem to conveniently “forget” Osho is about contradictions…it’s all a matter of living life, immersing oneself in life with eyes wide open and DECIDING FOR YOURSELF what is true and what is not true or accepting “I don’t know”. A word of advice: if you want to find out why a mystic/master/guru act the way they do, i.e. their “style” or experiment , look at them all, see the differences and similarities, if you have any intelligence and aren’t a goose-stepping fool, it’ll be very obvious…. So Amrito- you’re only half right and are you too chicken shit or are afraid to lose your position as a “top dog” at the “resort” if you delved into osho’s actions any deeper? Seems like their are a lot of chicken shit sannyasin leaders all over the place.

  3. prem bubbie says:

    To criticize Sannyanews: don’t you guys actually “read” articles, that is, not taking them at face value? Do you also conveniently omit or forget osho’s constant contradictions? How can you intelligently say “…does “explain” many of the seemly…”. What have you people been doing for all of these years? I repeat again- All of the so called meditating that most of you have been doing- the dynamic, kundalini, mystic rose, spending time and money on, what is obviously useless groups( feel good/wanted groups), has done nothing, absolutely nothing to raise the awareness and intelligence level of most of you crack pots!! Might as well save yourselves time and money and take a trip to Bali instead. This goes on and on… I see that sannyasins deserve to be insulted… you guys invite it… it’ would be rude for me not to insult you… When you have your backs turned I see a glowing neon sign that says” Kick Me I’m Stupid”…. Well, if you really insist…..

  4. prem bubbie says:

    OR, You old farts are suffering from alzheimer’s disease…that would explain it then… it’s ok, we understand, just let us know your true mental state, and we’ll find another place to play.

  5. Satya Deva says:

    Yet, Bubbie, we’re informed he said such things on his death-bed, as pretty well his ‘last words’…

    You say:
    “Osho is about contradictions…it’s all a matter of living life, immersing oneself in life with eyes wide open and DECIDING FOR YOURSELF what is true and what is not true or accepting “I don’t know”. ”

    Which sounds very much like the quotes Amrito is using to me….

  6. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Who cares what Amrito says.He is himself drunk and chain smoker and against all sannyasins who are loving and grateful to their ” Living Master Osho ”
    Amrito is totally blind and thinks forcing his opinion on the whole world is correct. First he should become sober human being.He only likes the part of No Master as it suits his Ego to pretend he knows Osho and to spread the message like Osho was his personal friend and he does not need a Master !

  7. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Also funny thing is that Amrito never had any guts to reply to Swami Rajneesh discussion in sannyasnews about his questions to him. So this is already Dead Matter comng agaiin in sannyasnews. Swami Rajneesh clear challange to Amrito on so many points are still no answer from Amrito. So why sannyasnews again bother to take same matter up and in such a part small way with few cut statement only of Amirto ??

  8. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    What a stupid Joke really here as this subject again with no answer from Amrito to Rajneesh
    Amrito replies to Critics Topic on sannyasnews
    with hundreds of replies already passed here.

    http://www.sannyasnews.org/now/archives/429

    Better to read again for Amrito who is shaken up by Rajneesh in that article and after that article also hiding.

  9. prem martyn says:

    i er hate to interject here…
    i mean
    its obvious we need a game of football to see who is right
    perhaps the
    All star Osho Said 11
    versus
    The Legacy 11 NoWorries

    and the winners decide how you get to sleep at night ?

    How about a tournament?

  10. Satya Deva says:

    Gyan Prakash, please note:

    The above ‘article’ is around 90% quotes from Osho, not from Amrito.

    Amrito chose them, of course – but, if you want to put a credible cae, then please acknowledge who you are arguing against.

  11. Satya Deva says:

    Probably the most realistic of any reply we can expect here, Martyn, yes, I’m inclined to agree with you!

  12. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    And another debate not answered by Amrito about power of inner circle members and Osho mandate given to inner circle.
    Amrito is not chosen to choose the Vision of Osho
    and force his narrow mind on all of Osho future work. He cannot be the voice for Osho and select which path out of hundreds of paths given freely to sannyas movement by Osho himself. He is making his own religion out of Osho and choosing his own way and words only.

    http://www.sannyasnews.org/now/archives/427

  13. prem martyn says:

    If I get the right answer will it guarantee me a shag ?

    Yours ,

    Worried of Osho Land

  14. Heraclitus says:

    I feel Amrito by lauding these Osho instructions is doing exactly the reverse of making a religion – and in keeping with Osho’s wishes. He doesn’t want rituals like sannyas taking, white robe, and how things were when Osho was alive.

    This fellow Rajneesh just wants to initate Osho and even his looks, where is the real Rajneesh? He certainly would not look like Osho.
    Osho did it is true say a lot of things both for and against various positions.

    However give the guy Amrito his due, he has been around Osho a lot, and was very much so at the end, and would be in a very good position to know what Osho really wanted after he died.
    The only rider I would put is only those who have been through a real discipleship are likely to understand the call to go beyond it.

  15. prem martyn says:

    you must not fear the lord and ask for guidance

    good luck

    he’s free tonite …hurry

  16. prem bubbie says:

    Yes S.D. but i’ve come to see that by finding out for myself…. my point here is that it’s one sided in the sannyas world…. “osho says this osho says that”… Amrito and others use only particular quote to justify their position(s). now if amrito truly felt what he was writing, with that one side of osho’s quote(s), why is he still at the resort hanging with the rich, snobby fools? Wouldn’t he insist on dismantling of the resort(at the very least), tearing it down to dust? He and the others , as i see it, are still on a power trip and really wouldn’t know what to do with themselvesif there were no resort or ashram, same goes for ALL the ashrams and the fools running them… They need attention, just petty attention seekers, power players and at the root of it all, just punks suffering from a bad case of low self-esteem.

  17. prem bubbie says:

    And so what that those were “osho’s last words” from his death bed… it doesn’t change a thing…. it’s so obvious, from all of the lectures he gave over the years… as far as I’m concerned, it’s only another lecture, albeit his last. Even enlightened beings, gods/goddesses, angels, demons… what have you, play games…. just different games…. the whole of Existence is one big (stupid) game, and osho is just another player…it’s something I think I discovered when I looked at the many of the “enlightened” beings and their “methods”… This the problem… Sannyasins “think” their(osho’s) method is the only legitimate one around…just read the posts from last xxx number of years, all because they scrounge up some obscure osho quote and build their house of cards on it. now that’s pretty pathetic and just plain dumb.

  18. Shantam says:

    Beloved Osho Seekers of 2030,
    Love

    It is around 40 years from now, that OSHO is nomore in the body and most probably, the second chairman and vice chairman at 17, Koregaon Park, Pune are running the place with their definition of Osho, their Osho perception filtered from the layers of their understanding and precedents left by the previous management team.

    The very first management team was chosen by Osho comprising of 20 sannyasins from different countries and backgrounds.
    With in few years of Osho leaving the body, almost 90% of them whether left their positions or were kicked out or there silence was purchased through different means.
    And all these 20 people were long time Osho disciples. They were sitting together, mediating together under the same feet still they were unable to resolve their differences, how to project Osho to the world, out of more than hundred thousand quotations which few should be highlighted.

    Now in 2030, most probably all the managers are second or third generation sannyasins, who were not even present during Osho´s life time. A generation of more than half million people have simply disappeared into oblivious.

    As during your time, nobody can claim to be the poisu and scared blood because of their personal connections with Osho, my only reqest and suggestion is , never to allow anybody to impose their version of Osho on you.
    Kano suni jhooth sabh, ankhon dekhi Sach..
    (all is false what one hears from ears, truth is what one sees.”)
    Please go through Osho´s videos in their complete version, till His last moment every single public appearance is documented, Please check also the videos till 1999, the life and times after Osho. And as you have seen, all His talks are in simple prose, they don´t need any interpretator.

    It is only after this period, a vast cutting and pasting took place. It is only after 1999, that a group of two three people got hold of the whole property and changed the name too, from commune to Resort.,,

    Beloved ones, it is up to you, whether you follow the system left by Osho or the system left by the controlling managers.
    The vastness of the truth is and will remain beyond the fists of any organisation and institution.
    But to be honest to oneself and to one´s master is still in the hands of the seekers.

    His Blessings,

    shantam

  19. Satya Deva says:

    Beloved Shantam of 2030 –

    Have you managed to ‘get a life’ yet?!

    Or, are you now a ‘living (just about) fossil’, relic of a bygone,.
    once-vibrant age, four decades on…

    Stuck, forever, in the dead past,
    Surrounded only by the dead…?

  20. Shahriar says:

    Shantam, I am going to disagree with your post.

    First, you say that the 21 inner circle members have left their post, have been bought out, kicked out etc. etc. etc.

    That is not true, these 21 inner circle members who have been given the task of furthering Osho’s work are doing so in different ways around the world. To gather in one central place would have been foolish since Osho’s work and vision is a global phenomenon. And also I draw your attention to the fact that these 21 members need not physically meet since now communication technology allows these 21 persons to be in contact with one another anywhere in the world. Also these 21 persons are not blind or mute, they have eyes, if they see something which is going against Osho’s vision they can speak up. You portray them as mute and blind persons who cannot see or speak up should they choose to, which they clearly see no reason to because apparently, the shoe fits!

    Also, while the vastness of truth is going to remain outside the fields of organization, organization is necessary for any complex activity in a civilization that goes beyond hunting for food and sleeping in huts.

    A final fact which I would also like to point out to you is that these 21 persons were hand-picked by Osho himself! You are in essence, questioning his judgement and choice of these 21 persons. Osho must have known these 21 persons well enough to know that they all had the virtues of courage, integrity, independence, etc. etc. and that they could not be so easily eliminated/sidelined/bought out and that if anyone tried any such thing, that any one of these 21 members would put up a good fight and would not tolerate such things.

  21. Kavita says:

    Thank you . . Amrito for finally coming . . IN / out
    . . & nice BIG HUG :)

  22. Lokesh says:

    I find it significant that Amrito posts this statement just now and thank him for it.

  23. prem martyn says:

    Well Well
    So let me get this right here …

    …. that according to osho’s wishes (according to Amrito’s previous postings linked here above by Prakash) none of this is transparent or accountable…the meetings and decisions of the 21 that is.

    i personally ,have little time or interest to find out if the wish or their reporting is verbally true…… as i’m too busy shagging….
    but as a metaphor for life
    the lesson that we are given to understand ‘transparently’ from which all other ‘wishes’ ‘instructions’ et al , is :

    Get Others to Trust Your Secret Decisions.
    (and have 20 other people agree to that on behalf of everyone else in the world, in their absence.

    The functions , intent and the structure all arising out of …’Osho wishes’ decided on in secret ..unless 21 people decide otherwise ….which they cannot do (apparently)

    For our benefit ,via the masters mission (for our complete well being and ultimate self annihilation..)

    Well at least thats out there ,
    Clear as a Bell. …….cheers Doc………… even if coded within reams of verbiage…(which you have to plough through and decipher…in your own time).

    wow …can we build on that guys…
    its marvellous news,

    apparently its a new form of community building.. which is just like er…uhmm real life in the hectic marketplace…

    Secret unaccountable and all for your own Good….

    i knew a Ma who used precisely that formula , though WITHOUT declaring it in emails , thanks Doc for the new approach….

    It’s called
    Watch your Back

    …( she and countless others couldn’t have modelled the behaviour on what the Doc , the therapists, Osho and the whole commune was / is surreptitiously developing all the way along as a model for human behaviour……
    Secrecy of Decisions ….
    whilst
    Espousing Truth……
    ….nahhh thats just my mind …not trusting of course .. silly of me….

    Time for some more anti-analysis anti growth-pills after years of analysis and growth….

    maybe i’ll tell you guys what i’m up to in a week

    or maybe i wont
    and just quote some ‘wishes’ at you…..

    and if you wanna change that

    its gonna be a Glasgow Kiss from the Doc…
    … dont mess with me guys.. you been warned…and shhhhh ( i didnt say a thing ok ) if you know what’s best for you.

  24. prem martyn says:

    sorry typo alert……line 10 above…

    …the lesson that we are given to understand ‘transparently’ from which ARISE all other ‘wishes’ , ‘instructions’ et al, is :

    because osho ‘said’ to keep the ’21′ meeting secret…

  25. prem martyn says:

    kavita please..

    according to osho’s wishes he said you should hug me…not the doc…
    and sit on my face whilst listening to keira…
    please kavita please.. you know its what osho would have wanted

  26. Kavita says:

    PM . . I very sweetly say . . fuck . . Osho . . :)

  27. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Amrito posts his statement ?? Where ?? Anrito coming IN / out Kavita so Where is his IN or out ?? Cannot see any Amrito statement. Just some part of article of some part of another article of some person who made article of Amrito and what he thinks only.

  28. Shantam says:

    Precisely and exactly!
    Shantam, Anugrah, Brian Rajneesh, Neerav, ‘Catholic Sannyasins’ – please read, absorb and inwardly digest!- Satya Deva

    I find it significant that Amrito posts this statement just now and thank him for it.- Lokesh

    People seems to be so full with their mind stuff that any similarity, any aknowledgement from others in the same direction gives them a validation.
    After all to be free from doubt and questioning seems to be the goal. Is it not so..

    And i am sure, if someone thinks, 2 and 2 are 5, few hundred teachers will be definately there in the world, who also think so.
    After all, in the spiritual terminology, if THIS is right, THAT is right too.

    Lokesh, read the preface of this article, take your time and breath a little, Amrito has not written this article. He may not even aknowledge the existance of sannyasnews.
    Editors have made it clear this excerpt is being “taken from an earlier article by him ”
    And this early article may be was written in 2000.

  29. Kavita says:

    SGP. . Ask your . . Guru . . Osho Rajneeh / my close Friend according to u . . for the Answer Dear . .

    lam not even answerable to myself . . now . . : )

  30. Shantam says:

    A large percentage of western seekers seems to be in the state of RAPE VICTIM.
    Raped by the only religion they were grown into. These intelligent ans senstive souls must have felt that inthe world of religiousity, Christian beliefs are quite childish, compared to them Buddhist and Hindu philosphy seems to have Himalyan peaks.

    Education and freedom achieved through democratic institutions have put these people class apart form the other, second big mass religion of the world. The others are still full with their dogmatic fanatiicism.

    But the therapy is required solely for disillusioned Christains, as where ever they go, they will carry their wounds, shadows and projections with them.
    They will see, Catholicism taking roots in another form.

    It seems all the sannyas thearapies of last four decades were focused primarily upon Mom dad, prick and cunt issues…

  31. Kavita says:

    Shantam . . only historians care about dates . . and in spiritual terminology . . nothing exist . .

    Remember . . Maya . . your Indian . . girl friend . . but u never made love to her . . thats a pity . . Dear . . u still have a chance . . l heard . . fro m some bird . . she is . . Free & Flying . . now . . All the Best Always . . :)

  32. Kavita says:

    S . . is Silent . . SPG . . Rajneesh knows that . . ask him if u have the guts . . :)

  33. Kavita says:

    click this to see ->

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    & l need to sleep Dearies . . :)

  34. Shantam says:

    Amrito´s views of Osho..
    Rajneesh´s views of Osho..
    Arun´s views of Osho..
    Viresh´s views of Osho..
    Osho Shail, Osho Sidha..Osho Pia´s view of Osho

    and all the other prominent dogs and cats, elephants and lions, cabbage and peas, grass and the GrASS..all have their view of Osho…

    Whose view should be given the throan…The throan at 17, Koregaon park..Pune India..

    Even the bunch of few foreigners are siting there with their ass glued with Osho fevicol. Because they know, Pune is the gold mine, it is the seat of Osho.. piss over it or worship..it will remain on the scene…

    So whose views should be taken as authentic, the voice of the Master for fast changing time?

    MIGHT IS RIGHT..
    COWS FOLLOW THE GRASS AND THE STICK..

  35. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, I find it significant that Amrito posts this statement just now and thank him for it.- Lokesh

    The truth is that I don’t really give a shit about any of this stuff and you can read whatever you wish into my little statement, for it can be interpreted however one wishes to interpret it.

    Amrito says
    “It is so easy to project our spiritual ideas onto Osho”

    This is not exactly a novel idea. Why not expand that and change Osho to anybody, because that is what people do…Shantam in this case being a perfect example.

  36. prem martyn says:

    have a nice day …..


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  37. Kavita says:


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  38. prem martyn says:

    kavita…go back to the anti depressants kiera and sleep….deep sleeepppppp

  39. prem martyn says:

    i have overdosed on non prescribed osho Paradoxicol again…as im suffering from termina lreligious boredom….

    kavita… will you swallow my love….without spitting me out? as a sign of devotion?

    by the way chaitanya keerti if you are reading this…
    how are the booksales and photo opportunities going ?

  40. Shantam says:

    Amrito says
    “It is so easy to project our spiritual ideas onto Osho”

    What a gem of the truth..

    Once there was a king, someone like Amrtio.
    Suddenly there were few rape cases were reported,as there were no international news channels to report that once in a while in every country this kind of crime takes place, the good intentioned king decided to cut the genitals of all the men in his country(as in every monarchy, other than the immediate family members and the courtesans)

    Does this helped to reduce the crime against the women. Were their dignity protected in this way…

    No, not at all..

    Men still have the index fingers!

  41. prem martyn says:

    terminal religious or terminal irreligious…
    ????

  42. Shantam says:

    The good physician who served the master with the gas and the medicine may have thought to be chosen as a successor to Osho, the way prince Charles is waiting, waiting waiting…
    Thanks to the good luck of Queen, her son is not a qualified doctor….

    So if you are not a successor, what you will do, how you will serve the hungry souls with the right kind of food,
    the food which does not produce any gas, any smell and bowl movements….

    It seems only a double dutch British will, “Throw out the baby with the bath water.”

  43. Shantam says:

    However give the guy Amrito his due, he has been around Osho a lot, and was very much so at the end, and would be in a very good position to know what Osho really wanted after he died….

    Once there was a mystic called O…O living in a small hut on the outskirts of Pune. He was sick, terminally sick, He has leprosy and He was abusive..
    Everybody avoided him, all his disciples simply dropped him. Nobody was there to feed him even a glass of water.
    But master will not complain. only once in a while he will abuse and curse. and than as it happens in the movies, A doctor in London heard this men´s plight in his dreams.
    He drooped his job and stayed with the O..O till His last breath. Nobody knows how many summers and winters this Doc served O..O.
    Let me touch the feet of this inspiring doctor..

    But only a dumble head will think, O..O is Osho and the doc is Amrito.

  44. Satya Deva says:

    Ludicrous truth of the situation is that it’s all very much a case of ‘much ado about nothing’!

    Total and utter waste of time and energy!

    Hasn’t Osho left enough behind for anyone who feels he is their Master to live their life accordingly?

    All this nonsense about the ashram…Just another excuse, another diversion for people to avoid themselves!

    Root of problem might be that a large number of Indians have an urgent – and conditioned – need to have their socio-behavioural, psycho-sexual revolutionary aims ‘legitimised’ by a ‘Philosopher-King’, with all the paraphernalia and ‘hoo-hah’ (literally, in this case!) traditionally surrounding religious movements in their country: ceremonies, rituals, thousands of people ‘celebrating’…

    For westerners – ok, for me – it looks very much like confusing ‘style’ with substance.

    As I’ve said before, ‘East is East, West is West – and ne’er the twain shall meet’!

  45. Shantam says:

    ‘East is East, West is West – and ne’er the twain shall meet’!

    Half truth is dangerous than the lie..

    Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the two shall meet,
    Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God’s great Judgment Seat;
    But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
    When two strong men stand face to face, tho’ they come from the ends of the earth.

  46. Satya Deva says:

    Another key difference of course is that by and large the East is far more ‘communal’ than the increasingly ‘atomised’ Western world.

    Hence, the sense of almost ‘personal insult’ emanating from Indians re this issue, as they identify themselves so closely with the collective.

  47. Satya Deva says:

    Yes, ok, Shantam, I’ll accept I’ve taken the Kipling quote out of context, fair enough.

    But that has no effect whatsoever on the rest of my argument.

  48. Shantam says:

    Satya Deva,
    Don´t write with your foot in the mouth syndrom.
    Show the courage. Follow the lead of your words and convictions.
    Come out with your name, brad Pitt or Nicolaous Cage.?

    Why to carry the burden of a tribal East.

    But yes wsterens can definately adopt some good qualites from the aline cultures, for example names with some meaning, meaning full names… Tony, Johny, Tim, Prick, Pussy, bill…tell nothing other than gender.
    why not Truthful Angel, Shining Sun, Cool Breeze, Shaved Beauty…

  49. Shantam says:

    SD, the end of the kipling poem is almost like a life long work of Osho-

    But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
    When two strong men stand face to face, tho’ they come from the ends of the earth..

    When twp poler opposites give the space to each other, and assamilate their qualites in one´s own being, a small oasis called Sannyas had taken birth..

    Osho has dared to mix the two blood streams.

    Let husband dictate the wife, let assertive dictate the submissive, but if wstern sannyas mind dictates the indian sannyas mind it is not harakari..it is murder, cold blooded murder of one´s own Master…

    Hegemony or empire has no place even in the hearts of western civilisation..
    Democracy, where the voice of everyone counts is the most precious gift of west.
    And i am proud that i live in the west and my children are part of this democratic world.

    It may not be the perfect world..but it s on the way…

  50. Shantam says:

    SAtya Deva,
    the name change was for logic sake. In reality, Mother India never asks back, what she has given.
    Every gift is an uncoditional gift, it is only to the receiver, how much he appreciates.

    I think Sannyasins have taken so much from lndia and if they give back something in return, it will simply enrich their own soul.
    But giving does not mean giving lectures, giving does not mean providing skin whitining creams to the land of Brownines..

  51. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam, I say your “Eastern Sannyas mind” is wasting your precious time and energy being so utterly obsessed with matters which essentially boil down to mere ‘style over substance’.

    You and the others of your persuasion like to imagine yourselves as being in the vanguard of a ‘spiritual revolution’, yet it so often seems you’re just stuck in the past – the past of traditional Indian religious ‘forms and observances’ and the past of the outer forms of Sannyas of nearly 21 years ago.

    You’re no ‘revolutionary’ at all, you’re just a time-wasting old sentimentalist.

  52. Anand says:

    If that is so, then Amrito should pack his bags in Pune, stop enforcing his own particular style of ‘non-religion’, where is running like a mad man through the resort enforcing crazy rules….he should pack his bottle of whiskey and take a flight to England and shut up and become a country doctor.

  53. Satya Deva says:

    Anand:
    If that is so….

    SD:
    If what “is so”, please, Anand?

    Perhaps Amrito is saving the essence of Osho’s ‘legacy’?

    Perhaps you’re too blind and socio-religiously conditioned to perceive this?

    Perhaps you’re another sentimental Indian?

  54. Satya Deva says:

    Or, perhaps both you lot and Amrito are ‘off the rails’?!

    Perhaps you both deserve each other?!!

  55. Anand says:

    Well said Bubbie, thank you.

  56. Satya Deva says:

    Perhaps you should adjust your glasses, Anand – or have your eyes tested…

    I see no ‘Bubbie’ here – yet….

  57. Kavita says:

    Anand dear . . what will you take to shut you sweet lil . .

    TRAP . . and jus fly out . . of your cage . . and sing a nice

    song to heal yourself . . :) Love 4ever

  58. Satya Deva says:

    Btw, where were all the Indians while Osho was alive, ‘in the body’?

    Now he’s no longer with us, in the flesh, they’re flocking to him, are they?!

    Saying he ‘belongs’ to them, that they should control his former ashram, that it’s their ‘democratic right’, they’re such deserving sannyasins!

    Bit late, really?!

  59. Satya Deva says:

    Frankly, giving up the place to Indians – if they’re of the ilk of SN Blog contributors, might really be risking ‘disaster’…

  60. Anand says:

    SD: re Bubbie 12.22 and 12.32 am

    Kavita: taking your advise and back to my boat…..

    I am happy off the rail and singing my song, but for sure no Indian yet.

  61. Satya Deva says:

    Anand:
    re Bubbie 12.22 and 12.32 am

    SD:
    ??!

  62. Lokesh says:

    I say, storm in a tea cup,,,,pass the sugar.

  63. Satya Deva says:

    Anand – you’re “no Indian”?

    Oh dear, you’re not one of those ‘confused’ types, are you?!

  64. Satya Deva says:

    Lokesh:

    I say, storm in a tea cup,,,,pass the sugar.

    SD:
    Try telling that to the Indians (and Anand) around here…

    For them, it seems,to paraphrase the famous one-liner re football of the late Bill Shankly (legendary Scottish football manager of Liverpool’s ‘glory days’):

    ‘The Ashram’s not a matter of Life and Death – it’s far more important than that!”

    If the ashram and how it’s run is so important for them, then they’re not only ‘off the rails’, they’re heading rather quickly towards the, er, ‘psycho-spiritual scrapheap’!

    They just WON’T listen, will they – naughty boys (and girls)!

  65. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam Prem (from the ‘Osho in UK’ topic):

    Has someone ever wonder, billions and billions of souls in all these centruires have not seen Buddha or Jesus, it is only through the idolization of otthers, some romantic fictions told as historical facts that people felt solace, power and a bond was created for life…
    Thousands and thousands of people have lived in the presence of Osho, and still hearts feel hesittaion to relate with this man, who died just 20 years ago….
    His photos and relics have been disposed of, the way someone dies in the old people´s home…

    SD:
    Shantam, the problem with Buddha and Jesus is what the human mind has made of these people, there being no truly reliable sources to ascertain who and how they were.

    So, everyone’s been free to imagine them according to what suits them…Not a lot of truth in that, is there?!

    Osho’s a very different case though, of course, as there are so many videos, books and, yes, photos fully available.

    Yet even that’s not the point – which you and others like you are incapable of grasping, it seems – which is not to make yet another ‘personality cult’ out of a Master, not to encourage his ‘friends’ to degenerate into a cult of ‘worshipping’ him, searching for and revering his “relics”, as if they were the very Truth and Love he embodied.

    Leave all that utter, ignorant rubbish to the old religions – for “God’s sake’!

    The wise way is surely to live whatever truth you’ve found in his teaching, that his presence here has inspired in you, not to remain attached to such valueless baubles – including to his very body, or personality.

    Do you want the Real Thing, the Truth – or are you content with only its reflection?

  66. prem martyn says:

    40 all

    new balls please…

    advantage sd

  67. Satya Deva says:

    Osho most certainly knew how much we are prone to being foolishly sentimental, attached to the dead past, to dead bodies, to memories (and to speculating on the non-existent future)…

    Do you really imagine he would have wanted any such ignorance – including concerning himself – to flourish in his own ashram (however much he probably didn’t ‘care’ a lot about what might happen after he’d gone, understanding perfectly the ways of our mind)?

    You and others might find it hard, but it seems it’s the only way to wean you from your self-chosen folly – given time, of course…another 10, 20 years?!!

  68. Satya Deva says:

    Game, set and match, surely, Swami Umpire?!

    If not, you can NOT be serious!

    I’ve been bustin’ my balls all afternoon, trying to knock this guy off the court…

    It’s been his turn to serve for hours – 3 and a 1/4 in fact – surely I win by default?!

  69. prem martyn says:

    What does OSHO stand for?
    Oromo Self-Help Organization (Ethiopia)

    Osho Ethiopia Prayer Times,

    Osho hotels | East Wellega, Ethiopia hotels
    Book a hotel in Osho online and save money. Best price guaranteed! … Osho location. – see Osho map ». Osho is located in East Wellega, Oromiya, Ethiopia. …

  70. Satya Deva says:

    Oh no!!

    My world is shattered!

    Osho – how COULD you?!

    I’m SO disillusioned -

    I think I’ll throw away my mala!

    Just call me Fred from now on….

  71. Swami Gyan Prakash says:

    Amrito says
    “It is so easy to project our spiritual ideas onto Osho”
    WHIXH IS EXACTLY THE POINT
    And also applied to Dr Amrito projecting his spiritual ideas onto Osho !!!
    He has deusion all people project their ideas, so how about his own ideas then ??

  72. Kavita says:

    there is no one to u deary . . :) hee hee hee

  73. prem martyn says:

    hello everyone…

    this is an Urgent Appeal

    For all of you fellows and fellowasses

    its a sad story but please see if you can help with any donations large or small ( credit cards only and leave your pin number, thanks )

    My name is Swami ,
    I come from a poor village of Lexus owning saloon car drivers in Eastern Suburbia, near to a major town. Unfortunately my work as a therapist only allows me to own a small villa with a well equipped kitchen, and a small but reliable microwave and a rather useful juicer which i havent quite understood how to use yet.

    I have much experience in personal development, in community building and have a long list of fellow wise centre leaders who i can count on as friends and last chancers, but I am currently very anxious to target a new audience; those who have little idea of what i’m really about…and would be grateful if you could read my story without turning away just yet.

    I am in desperate need of some Priten and Mitals music , but cannot afford to buy any more than a few of their CD’s regularly as I have other expenses. More urgently you see this month has been a particularly cash strapped month with all the deposits i have received for my fothcoming international tour, being used for a house extension and travel abroad. In fact I have had to cancel some of my weekly DVD rentals just to able to afford some attendances in far off places ( three months Bali on the beach)

    In Lithuania I am booked for Holistic Partner Swapping and the Joy of Temporary Aloneness.

    So far i have only received a deposit in Lithuanian Tins of Corned Beef (as the post communist self developers are not used to us folk from the west making a killing just yet.)

    In Podere Amici Osho Fantastico (Tuscany) I have another booked group
    the Breath of the Inner Dancer
    ..this is a dance group performed totally in stillness , with only a limited amount of group interaction .. in fact most of the action takes place when paying for the group.
    And so I have not received an invitation to come back …
    i could go on but i have received threatening letters from the editors of Sunpat News…

    so please help .. I have only the double glazing left to pay for….

  74. prem bubbie says:

    If osho thought sheela had her head up her ass when she bought the ranch in 1980(ans she was his #1 squeeze) just think of what he thought about the rest of us “low lives”. So take most of his lectures with a grain of salt… so stupid these sannyasins.

  75. prem bubbie says:

    Regarding the indians coming out of the wood work since the old man kicked the bucket… Very typical for a culture t claiming themselves to be the greatest spiritual people of the world.. easy enough to give sacrifices of milk and cow dung to the gods that live in the ether world- quite different to have guts and strip down to the exposed soul to a “guru”, and not some clown with face paintings and limbs coiled up like a bowl of spaghetti. Indians love to make gods out of some poor dead fool(almost as bad as the ancient Romans) even to the point of any “local” guy with a bag of parlor tricks will be a viable candidate… Nationalism gone psycho…Same with Nepal.. as I mentioned before, it’s” Take back the Our Guru from the Barbarians” Era. A little bit of ritual , a little bit of sacrifices, add a dab of hot chilies, plus a dash of “Red Dot #5 on the forehead and you got yourself a new “Deity”, and being in constant “Bluetooth” communication. “Gods and Goddesses for the 21st Century”

  76. Satya Deva says:

    prem bubbie:

    If osho thought sheela had her head up her ass when she bought the ranch in 1980(ans she was his #1 squeeze) just think of what he thought about the rest of us “low lives”.

    SD:
    Most unfair comment there, bubbs, far too cynical.

  77. Satya Deva says:

    Martyn aka Swami,

    Perhaps you might ‘join hands’, voices even, with that, er, er, ‘chap’ leading the small, er, ‘group session’ in the Borat clip?

    Skilled work, of course – but you do sound more than capable of being ‘up for it’…

    There are some wonderful people out there, to ‘play with’, ‘learn from’ and ‘grow with’, aren’t there?

  78. Satya Deva says:

    And – amazingly – not all are or were sannyasins! What an incredible revelation!

  79. Kavita says:

    SD . . Growing & then shrinking . . in / out …………………. :)

  80. Kavita says:

    hmmmmm . . Yes ……….. :)

  81. Kavita says:

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :)

  82. prem bubbie says:

    “Far too cynical”? That’s a laugh- I’m in stitches…. It’s pretty obvious with all the shit that happened and people involved-(including osho)- it’s closer to the truth!!!

  83. bob says:

    will the real ‘osho’ please stand up…?
    or, better yet…
    sit down.
    in your ‘chair’,
    where you belong.
    thanks.

  84. Satya Deva says:

    Bubbie, are you suggesting Osho thought of sannyasins with contempt, as “low lives”?!

    Can’t for a moment contemplate that without breaking out “in stitches” myself!

  85. Satya Deva says:

    Highly critically, maybe, given ‘cultish’ attitudes/behaviour allowing Sheela & co. to get away with so much…(Leaving aside his part in fostering such an acceptance of ‘fascist’ authority) -

    But with the contempt you appear to suggest – no way.

    Still, maybe you didn’t mean to be so extreme?).

  86. Shantam says:

    Btw, where were all the Indians while Osho was alive, ‘in the body’?

    Now he’s no longer with us, in the flesh, they’re flocking to him, are they?!

    Saying he ‘belongs’ to them, that they should control his former ashram, that it’s their ‘democratic right’, they’re such deserving sannyasins!

    Bit late, really?!

    Frankly, giving up the place to Indians – if they’re of the ilk of SN Blog contributors, might really be risking ‘disaster’…

    I hope SD sees his foot in the mouth confidence in His presumptive assumptions.

    SOmetime when one survives on the borrowed energy, Gosh, after an 13 seconds hug from some Amma, i felt such trmenedous meditative energy as never before….

    If this is the result of the meditative energy, i doubt on the “energy” of receiver and the giver…

    I can imagine, someone going to a prostitution may get some contemplative heights on the way back home, some inner reflection, some repentance, some helplessness, some surrunder to the power unknown.

    But the spiritual pride because of the borrowed Kick,,,,
    It does not even matter it is from Osho or some other A, B, C.

  87. frank says:

    back to the meaningful conversation we were having before all the old religious nutters and relig idiots crawled back out of their bunkers in jerusalem,ayodhya and pune etc….

    bubbie,you definitely qualify as an anglo-saxon…
    we could have used you at the battle of hastings 1066.
    arise sir bubbie
    “in profanum veritas”…

    your skills will probably be wasted is wasted in this osho jihad…
    let the sunni-asins and oshi`ites battle it out,
    they will grind out a nil-nil draw,i can guarantee it…..

  88. frank says:

    martyn was thinking along the right lines…
    this will never be resolved permanently,so each side should have its own football team.
    up in glasgow they have had religious war for 400 years but now its down to the occasional old firm match and the odd glasgow kiss…
    that would be a good model for sannyas…

    the ic firm
    and the delhi marblekissers…
    match days would be fun…
    ripping up marble paving stones,testosterone-fuelled catharthis,heavy drinking,a lot of repetitive monotone chanting, trading of insults,a good hefty dose of racism,the surfacing of centuries-old tribal tensions…..
    all the ingredients are there for a bloody good ruck…
    bring it on…
    have a go,if you think you`re enlightened enough…

  89. Shantam says:

    Amrito says
    “It is so easy to project our spiritual ideas onto Osho”

    This is the man who stands before the evening meeting to check whether white robe is really a robe or it is few cms. smaller….

    This is the man who uses Osho says so, Osho says so..few dozen times per day..

    This is the man, who few years ago wanted all the outside workers to disappear from the property because Osho says, ” these people do´n´t contribute to the Buddhafield energy. Now same man can is unable to say a single word against Sodexo, their few hundred men in blue dresses have more presence in the resort than maroonrobed people…

    And amrito is the man, if the “Gossips in the resort cafes” have to be believed, once was given a big sabbath from Pune, and just in few weeks he was rolling on the western streets in a drunkard state.
    To avoid PR disaster, Man was transported again to Pune, This is the story of a self sufficient spoeksperson of Osho, who has spend decades in the presence of Osho.
    (and he was not the only one)

    PS-still i am en charmed by the grace of Dr. AMrito as a fellow sannyasins. But he has developed some extra ordinary understanding about life and inner world is a matter of questioning.
    Lokesh and Satya Deva here in this platform think in the same way as Osho´s personal physician..
    May be it is the racial profile, nothing to do with higher wisdom.

    PPS—My criticism of Osho managers in the ashram has nothing to do with the agenda of Mr. Rajneesh.
    Few differances are because of the prinicples and ethics.
    If i have to chose, withwhom i want to sit in meditation, it will be Dr. Amrito and Jayesh, Neelam or Keerti, but not rajneesh neither that scholarly elderly gentleman taking meditation camps, Dr. Satya Vedant..

    But yes..all together meditating and also pushing the buttons of each other…

  90. Shantam says:

    Shahriar, I have read your post now…

    If you want, i can search out the email addresses of few of the alive 21 inner cricle people, as some have died during last 2 decades because of age, sickness and other natural reasons, please free to check the authenticity of my vesrsion with their experiences..

    To be fair to one and all and to recheck the facts of Osho phase, i was not part of, i have even written to Sheela after watching the movie Bhgwan to face the questions of Osho sannyasins at sannyasnews and tell her version otherwise she will always remain Ms. Judas of Osho´s world..

    Her reply is-

    Dear Shantam,

    It is time for all of us to move on in life.

    I thank you for your mail.

    Best wishes,
    Sheela

  91. Kavita says:

    Amrito . . do you . . just a reminder . . l was taking . . lunch . . in the meera barn . . and you asked me read the board , , on top . . then we met , , again in the Q . . & offered to let me go 1st . . l was doing . . a group with Ma Sangita . . Sant’s sister . . if u have forgotten ask Anando . . hee hee hee . . l had told to change the timing for Dynamic to evening . . and she said no . . this was in the Multyversity . . in 2000 Jan . . when you stoppepd giving Sannyas . . :)

  92. Kavita says:

    We were doing the group Forgotten Language . . in the pyramid area . . in Sep 2008 . . :) :) :)

  93. Kavita says:

    Anyway its good .. she didnt . . change anything . . :)

  94. Kavita says:

    Last time u sent Sw Shashwat to Shaswad . . this time he is Goa . . for six months . .this time he is in Goa . . since 4th Nov 2008 . . l wonder . . why l need to tell . . you this . . but . . then . .

  95. Kavita says:

    anyways last spoke to him when he was in Hospital . .in Goa . . he said he is taking good care of himself . . and that . . l should take care of myself & my mother . . this was on 28th july 2009 . . after that . . l heard . .He met Sw Vitraag . . in Goa . . Sw Shantam gave me the message . .
    he also said he will let if there is anything to be told . . :)

  96. Kavita says:

    wonder when you will come & be on . . with us on sannyas news . . writing as Amrito . . with all due respects to you Sir . . :)

  97. Kavita says:

    Thank sannyas news for Being there . . 4 . . me :)

  98. Kavita says:

    Shantam . . in ten minutes l will start to Dance . . its dynamic time in INdia . . hee hee hee . . wonder if u dance in Frieburg . . :)

  99. Kavita says:

    please tell Sw Bhaskar to come to Poona sometime . .been long time . . since l saw him . .

  100. Kavita says:

    Sometimes l forget to smile . . :)

  101. Kavita says:

    Amrito you my 1st crush in the ashram when l came i n 1992 . . :)

  102. Kavita says:

    Sorry are my first crush . .hee hee hee :)

  103. Kavita says:

    didnt have a choice . . love you guys . . for reading . . :)

  104. Kavita says:

    anyone where Vitraag these days . . he is my second crush . . do let me know . . @ . .
    kavitakaushikness@gmail.com

  105. Kavita says:

    anyone knows . . hee hee hee :)

  106. Kavita says:

    Satya Deva // Nov 20, 2010 at 9:06 pm
    Precisely and exactly!

    Shantam, Anugrah, Brian Rajneesh, Neerav, ‘Catholic Sannyasins’ – please read, absorb and inwardly digest!

  107. prem bubbie says:

    Frank- ,my gluteus maximus thanks you.

  108. Kavita says:

    tera means 13 in hindi . . & also yours :)

  109. Kavita says:

    Nanak had said something about this . . Shantam . . you will know . . :)

  110. Kavita says:

    Btw . . when l had my 1st crush . . and shared with my father
    . . he sad it is puppy Love . . :)

  111. Kavita says:

    This l never told any body . . l saw Vinod Bharti / Vinod Khanna . . on a White Horse . . in a dream . . before l came to the Ashram . . on 6th Feb 1992

  112. Kavita says:

    l always feel . . it is . . it was only 12 days . . after . . he left the Body . . :)

  113. Kavita says:

    lam not here to impress anyone . . hee hee hee :)

  114. Kavita says:

    Iam waiting for full moon to wane . . havent . . Slept after is was 100 % . . actually Shashwat calls me his moon . . :) :):)

  115. Kavita says:

    wonder where is Big Prem . . l hope her room is ready . . for her & Sw Vairagya . . :)

  116. Kavita says:

    Osho poked his finger . . in her stomach . . and said Haji malang . .

  117. Kavita says:

    And hope Pragya maa . . gets a cable TV . . in her Resort

  118. Kavita says:

    now thats enough . . hee hee hee :) :) :)

  119. Kavita says:

    wonder if Ma Darshan is ok . . :)

  120. anugrah says:

    shantam,

    sheela in her reply said LETS MOVE ON…….. when the time comes to tell
    turth, she wants to move on …….

    Before moving on shella needs to answer lots and lots un settled questions about ranch and that time.

  121. prem martyn says:

    Was hitler a hippie from International Times 1977

    http://www.internationaltimes.it/index.php?year=1977&volume=IT-Volume-Q&issue=12&item=IT_1977-08-01_G-IT-Volume-Q_Iss-12_014-015

    you’ll have to copy paste and zoom the image to be able to read it..

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/jul/17/international-times-underground-newspaper

    PS. Kavita
    You seem to be smoking drinking and on anti depressants…the symptoms are irrelevant name dropping to no one in particular…

    ….and loneliness

  122. prem martyn says:

    God is perhaps not so much a region beyond knowledge as something prior to the sentences we speak.

    Michel Foucault. French deconstructivist and post modernist..
    :
    Instructions for use

    place between two slices of toasted bread and enjoy with salad..
    whilst also reading:

    Amrito’s steamy bestseller
    the Joy of Secrets ( with accompanying CD for the hard of hearing)

  123. Kavita says:

    My Ancestors come from Kashmir & Lived on the Banks of Satisar . My Father visited planet Earth from 21st September 1930 to 14th February 1985 and his tribe is known as the Friends of the Universe / Vishwamitra and they Heal through Music and come from the Kaushik Gotra . . my parents share their ancestry . . my younger brother is named Goutam by my father and he visited planet earth from December 8th 1969 to 4th February 1979 . . And Shashwats ancestors come from Central Europe / . . Huns Tribe according to Sw Krishna Dev . . is our son from our previous birth . . he is living in Hamburg now . . is initiated by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh in his teens . Shashwat is initiated by Maitreyaji in Poona . . when Bhagwan lived in the ranch in 1984 and lam initiated by Ma Zarine in Poona on 18th April 1992 on a Friday and my body is born on 12th of April 1967 . Gratitude without any conditions to ALL from All .lam happy to announce now that Blessings have been Showering on all of US continuously and will always Shower unconditionally so lets INJOY every moment of IT . . OSHO . . and Flow with the flow of NOTHINGNESS
    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

  124. Kavita says:

    lam born on a wednesday . . hee hee hee :)

  125. Kavita says:

    Shantam . . . . . hope you are not sleeping now . .

  126. Kavita says:

    Shantam do give our regards to your Mother :)

  127. Kavita says:

    Please tell Sw Antar Sagar . . l hate Lottery . . incase u share with him :)

  128. Lokesh says:

    Anugrah: I think Sheela answered the big question and that was, was she working under Osho’s orders and according now to both Sheela and Osho she was.
    In my books there is definitely something warped about Sheela but I agree wholeheartedly with her when she says it is time to move on. That way it is only fools like yourself who are left trawling through the past for god only knows what.

  129. Lokesh says:

    Frank, I’d forget about the old firm match, even though it is a good idea, but the Glasgow kiss might knock some sense into the dummies’ heads. So, please go ahead an implement it. You can practice on a brick wall.

  130. Kavita says:

    Shashwat is the most Beautiful Human being . . :)

    I LOVE SHASHWAT

    for All His Attributes . HE IS A TRUE BRAHMIN . . . :)

  131. Kavita says:

    IN this life . . he is born into a Warrior class / Jats of Haryana . . beholders of Arya Samaj . .
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bonded-Labour-Liberation-Front/112083842150675 . .

    Osho spoke about . . him . . in discourse . . when he heard that Shashwat came from this Family . . :)

  132. Kavita says:

    I have seen videos of him . .sitting next to Sardar Gurudayal Singh . .in Buddha Hall . . Ma Shakti asked me watch it . . in 1995

  133. shantam says:

    May be someone can tell Kavita´s Shashwat to read sannyasnews, his name is now part of sannyasnews archievs.

  134. prem martyn says:

    kavita dont stop i think its all getting clearer now…

    you mean
    the bhel puri of the amrita was collected by vishnu daughter, at 4 pm on tuesday ..the one .who made the oceans churn with the spiral form of angulimala sitting on the sofa of Dahi Vada..?

    Bhagwan also spoke of her and said she was a good tantrika
    Are you? Wow..

    so you are a large assed rajputana houri?

    .. nICE… my favourite type of girl…
    give my regards to

    nutta and mogadona…

  135. Kavita says:

    PM – Ya Iam one and 1st time Shashwat recognised that instantly . . his ex – wife’s sannyaname is Amrita . . they both recieved initiation from Sw Anand Maitreya . . and in my previous birth she is my twin sister Prita . . yes Iam large assed & l want to be a medium assed Kavita . . in this body . . Ma Bhakti / Daughter of late Ma Shakti . . whome I worked with in the audio department in Omar Khaiyam . . above Pythogorus . . saw a dream in which Iam very slim and in white . .

    your regards have been conveyed . . :)

    now l will eat a walnut . . my mother got specially for me from Dorabjee on Moledena Road Poona . .
    . . :)

  136. Kavita says:

    Father initiated me and named me Kavita . .

    He . . IS . . a Poet . . but was not intereted in publicity . .

    he always says . . Iam . . His LIVE Poetry . .

    LOVE YOU PAPPA

    FOR RECOGNISING me . .

    And later naming me Pundu . .

    which means the naughty one . .

    in my Mother Tougue KONKANI . .

    Shashwat came home to BOMBAY . .

    in 1992 June . . on my Mother’s birthday . .

    SHE is born on 10th June 1942 . .

    He started calling me Punduji . .

    From then on . . :)

    l guess now . . I should give u all a

    chance . . as I will go on & on & on


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  137. Satya Deva says:

    Right, I’m wasting no more time and energy approaching Shantam & co’s rubbish with ‘sweet reason’…

    Nothing more to add along those lines, I’m restricting it to laughing at them from now….

  138. Kavita says:

    TOTALLY AGREE with You Satya Deva . .

    Swami Tathagat is on Pad Yatra . .
    In the South of INdia . . Ma Meera & Sw Jaideep

    will wait anyway . . they have to come back . . to their respective destinations . . :)

  139. Kavita says:

    by the way Ma Meera is also known as Mickey . .

    Hee hee hee :)

  140. Kavita says:

    l have sent a request to Sw Dhyanesh . . on FB . . wondering if l should l withdraw the request . . :)

  141. Kavita says:

    l have heard from Prem he considers me an Outsider . . :)

  142. Kavita says:

    Shashwat Upanishad . . can go on for ever . . :)

  143. prem martyn says:

    kavita.. thanks for all your posts.. im really happy about the info .. and just a little note

    1) nobody has a clue what you are bothering to post for

    and 2)
    maybe rubbing sandpaper on your clit would be more fun

    :)

  144. prem martyn says:

    satya deva

    you have thankfully realised the definition of ‘shantam’

    according to wikidictionary

    it means
    to be a suck

  145. Satya Deva says:

    That’s just about the way it is, yep.

  146. Kavita says:

    Looks like J & A along with Dhyanesh are in deep Shit . . :)

  147. shantam says:

    Right, I’m wasting no more time and energy approaching Shantam & co’s rubbish with ’sweet reason’…
    Nothing more to add along those lines, I’m restricting it to laughing at them from now….

    SD, you can laugh, i will try to laugh to see the closed circuit wires of the people..

    I just want to know from the tribe of yours, ” Is there only one way..the way, you guys are thinking.”?

    How the EGo will be droped if people are so full with their hegemony.

    If people have heard Osho with heart, it will be clear, ” it is neither this nor that”, or the great path consist of this and that and also which is more or less than this and that..

  148. shantam says:

    Hallo Ms. Kavita
    Shahswat Upnishad…Is this the public interest story for the prime time Snews….?

    but yes..when you write-
    Looks like J & A along with Dhyanesh are in deep Shit . .seems to be a breaking news of invesitgative journalism…

  149. Kavita says:

    Shut up Shantam . . you have always been Useless . . :)

  150. Kavita says:

    My Father’s Name is Mohan . . :)

  151. Kavita says:

    Osho & Mohan . . have been brothers in their past life . .
    Nitya in past life . . :)

  152. Kavita says:

    Mohan . . :)

    OM Bharti is my brother . .

    He is my Brother in our Past life . . his wife Ma Neerjo our Mother

  153. Satya Deva says:

    Hah, hah, hah!!!

    There goes Shantam again!!!

  154. Kavita says:


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  155. Kavita says:

    Shantam is Our Father . . from Past Life . . :)

    Swami Tathagat . . is . . our servant . . From past life

    . . who was looked after very well by our Father
    . . Pasha

  156. prem bubbie says:

    Shantam: Stop sharing your Brown
    Acid with Kavita— anymore of it will leave her like a strung out prostitute….. I suggest you invite her over to your place and let her use your Rubber room for a little head bouncing…. Now I know where the Jamaicans got the phrase, “blood clot” from.

  157. prem bubbie says:

    Kavita- God is your father, Jesus is your son, and the holy spirit is in possession of you… time for an exorcist

  158. Kavita says:

    Ma Nadamma ( Italian ) & Swami Hare Krishna are my parents from the life before that . . l am their only child

  159. Kavita says:

    Swami Prem Bubbie . . is Jesus

  160. Kavita says:

    Swami Anand Ajar & Ma Yashodhra Bharti are Mary & Joseph . . :)

  161. shantam says:

    Shut up Shantam . . you have always been Useless . .

    Thankyou Kavita, you will make Lokesh and Satya Deva happy..

    and it is important to hear once in a while, “Shut Up”

  162. Kavita says:

    Swami Sant . .

    is Kabir . .

  163. Kavita says:

    and his Father is Guru Nanak Dev . . :)

    he left his Body on 22nd May 2010

    and Shantam’s Father . . Guru Gobind Singh

    and his mother is Raabia

  164. Kavita says:

    Amrito . . l will stop now . . l need some sleep . . :)

  165. shantam says:

    Osho said that it was Buddha’s ” Clarity of perception – he was not predicting anything – just his clarity to see that things are changing, as they have changed in the past and as they go on changing, it would take 25 centuries for the Master/Disciple relationship to become out of date”.

    Then, Osho goes on to say, those who are enlightened would become simply friends to those who are not.

    Osho Said that..Not even the basic courtesy, ” I have heard Osho saying…”

    And was this quotation was uttered by Osho on His deathbed?
    Is this the part of His Will…?

    Few people´s interpretation, even with the best of intentions has no worth….

    and also those people who are not projecting their spiritual dreams on Osho, have reached somewhere, have touched the pinnacles of consciousness…..??
    Most often they have even no idea where intellect ends and emotions begins and how devotion takes birth and than fades away too.

    Blinds want to sell the torches with the fused bulbs…

  166. Satya Deva says:

    Blinds want to sell the torches with the fused bulbs…

    I only saw this last line as I reached this page and scrolled up…And I KNEW it could only be from one guy…

    That Great Source of Love and LIght – SHANTAAAAAAAMMMM!!

  167. prem martyn says:

    Kavita

    i have to repeat this BUT LOUDER

    1) nobody has a clue what you are bothering to post for

    and 2)
    maybe rubbing sandpaper on your clit would be more fun

  168. Lokesh says:

    That’s a bit rough.

  169. Kavita says:

    PM . . you wouldnt be PM . . if . . l didnt know . . :)

  170. Kavita says:

    sand papers are . . hee hee hee . . :)

  171. Kavita says:

    Swami Ageh Bharti is Aarya Bhata . . :)

  172. Kavita says:

    Lokesh like the Bagpipers . . :)

    You are Shiva & Ma Prita your Parvati . . :)

  173. Kavita says:

    Sagaray . . remember the time when you were buying a flat in Rahul terrace . . u said . . u . . would never let your own flat be on rent . . your Tenants are really insensitive . . inspite . . of telling them . . very gently . . lam sick of the people on top . . who keep coming & going . . in 8 / 10 Sterling Housing Society Ltd . . this society is named by me . . ask Swami Om Bharti . . what he calls me . . why he asked me to name it . . l hope u stop renting the flat . . it is causing me a lot of disturbance in the night . . anyway you are my brother Ravan . . & Karen is Sita . . ofcourse . . and Vijay is Ram thats why you have 1/2 of his house

    any way . . l hope you take things seriously . . Dear for once . . you have conned me enough . . enough is enough . . & l have lost a precious Ruby on VT station
    . . which was given as a Prasad after . . my Aunt , Indira Rottermund left her body . . she has been to the Ashram and taught in Pune Ferguson college . . till she left her body . . her spirit is still around there .

    l will Keep on sending u messages on FB / otherwise . . whenever it happens . .

    Balu bhai shop no 5 / 6 is Kamarali Dervesh . .

    Take good care of your – self . . Love

    LOVE to all Down under & of course Karen

    And Swami Pradeep . . mint with the Wholle !i


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  174. Kavita says:

    My Fehmida . . is Fatima . .

    Ma Yoga Prem meets her sometimes . . :)

  175. Kavita says:

    Swami Dhruw is a Star

    Swami Yatri ( of Bihar ) is Rishi Chyavan

  176. Kavita says:

    Swami Satya Prem ( Bihar ) is Vishwamitra

    Radha Ma . . is Maneka

  177. Kavita says:

    Abhimanyu is born in my Biological Family . . as Abhimanyu . . !i :)

  178. Kavita says:

    My Locky boy . . where are u . . missing you !i :)

  179. shantam says:

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/newdelhi/May-retire-within-months-Dalai-Lama/Article1-629133.aspx

    Buddha has no successor same about Jesus, but thousands of organisations and cluster of structures around their name have a continuity of corporal head, and internal rules regulations defined by the traditions, and internal conflicts and so called humility to be at the top…To be Pope or Dalai lama or Amrito…

    It seems, Existence takes care but only of truth, birth and death, matters in between are human prerogatives.

    In the coming years, there will be some successor to Jayesh and Amrito too.
    This is the basic reality now the question is who will decide. The people concerned have the right to chose or it will be imposed by the predecessor.

    May be someone can ask the queen, will it be the dad or the son?

  180. shantam says:

    May retire within months: Dalai Lama

    Buddha has no successor same about Jesus, but thousands of organisations and cluster of structures around their name have a continuity of corporal head, and internal rules regulations defined by the traditions, and internal conflicts and so called humility to be at the top…To be Pope or Dalai lama or Amrito…

    It seems, Existence takes care but only of truth, birth and death, matters in between are human prerogatives.

    In the coming years, there will be some successor to Jayesh and Amrito too.
    This is the basic reality now the question is who will decide. The people concerned have the right to chose or it will be imposed by the predecessor.

    May be someone can ask the queen, will it be the dad or the son?

  181. shantam says:

    Prince Philip cuts back workload ahead of 90th birthday

    Dear customers,
    The gentleman who was making your sandwitches for the last few decades have cut short of his work load from half an hour per day to 10 minutes.
    and we are happy to reveal the fact that this grand old man is also the The Duke of Edinburgh. To feel like one of the subjects, he was engaging himself as your sandwitch maker.

    Management-
    Pathway Salad and Sandwitches

  182. Lokesh says:

    Ahh, The Duke of Edinburgh, now there is a name I never expected to see on SN. Edinburgh is a beautiful city, though.

    Now then, we have an important announcement from Kavita. She is resigning her post in pursuit of higher callings. Kavita asked me to pass this message to you mere mortals via the channel of Facebook, the world’s meeting place. What form those callings might take is as yet unknown, but taking into account the meaning of her name it could well be something to do with poetry. I suspect that Kavita will find it difficult not to return to SN, especially when the moon is full, but I am sure that she will be greatly missed by all her doting admirerers here on SN.
    I feel it fitting that we should all join in cosmic solidarity by chanting the ancient Tibetan mantra, Aum Mani, Padmi, Om. I will begin the proceedings and would appreciate if you all continue with the incantatation for the next 24 hours.
    Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmm…………………

  183. prem martyn says:

    Must have been the sandpaper that gave her ideas…
    wont be the first time she left

    she is definitely out with the fairies that one..or santas toy-making elves who lend her sandpaper
    speaking of which..

    Sunpat news is proud to present this weeks MYSTERY GIFT Hamper choc full of goodies to this weeks best post.
    The hamper contains a signed copy of

    Osho’s Book of Secrets

    Amrito’s Joy of Secrets Autobiography (large parts of which have been deleted with a thick black pen)

    Arun’s Forthcoming Cycling round Nepal’s Best Communes- an independent gudebook from Very Lonely (without organized religion) Planet

    Preten and Mittalls Collected Xmas Songs for Children with a pull out and throw away section…All your favourite songs including

    Lalalala loves lalalaa

    Lala Bells lala bells

    We wish you a merry lalalala

    Im dreaming of a white lalalalala

    Lalalala alla the way to the ashram

    Sing me a lalllalaby

    Sleighbells in the lalalala

    Rudolph the lala nose lalala
    …..
    also in the Mystery hamper

    Shantams collected predictions for the Pune Resort in 2011.
    Shantams poems on everything else apart from the Doc (limited edition)
    Shantams favourite Xmas Songs from the glory days of Pune when Osho was alive but shantam wasnt there due to other commitments.

    A flask of of Osho Bob’s Mulled-over (quite a bit before making no particular point ) Chinese Rice Whine.
    Bobs favourite Xmas Dipple Bibble Bobble Whisky
    Bobs guide to Sitting Alone and chiming in the New Year

    Satya Devas
    My little book of Hugs
    My Big Fat Book of Big Fat Hugs
    How to Hug your way through worry
    Hug yourself Rich
    Group Hugging to change the world
    Online Hugging.. a virtual Huggers Guide
    Healing with Winter Hugs
    Boiled sweets .. a queuers guide

    The biggest mystery of all in the hamper will be Martyn’s photo album of favourite therapeutic moments around the world.. available online at £69.69

    Lokesh’s Cementing friendships a DIY manual for all self appointed seekers…

    A Power Drill… involving Lokesh’s guide on how not to abuse it..

    Shariars Oshotendo Playstation.. where you get to blow up the world for real in the name of er.. you know a quote from the Osho Koran

    Franks offering a bonus in this years hamper
    A guide to world religions from your armchair
    With Franks Travel Documentary series filmed when he was reminisceing on Brown Acid..

    Franks useful foreign phrasebook including :

    I have Diarrhoea, and i need to Oshite immediately

    Hello my tanned friend from Nepal , dont give me the run-arun of usual excuses

    I wish to baldly go where none have baldly gone…

    Take me to your leader

    Hello waiter , Can you recommend a third eye parlour here?

    Im sorry I dont have travellers cheques , may i pay for the No mind trekking experience around the ashram by cash?

    Is this really a spiritual experience?

    Will I become like you wise and with er bonus air miles?

  184. prem martyn says:


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    that ones for satya deva

  185. prem martyn says:


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    thats for kavita

  186. prem martyn says:


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    a better version
    :)
    :)
    :)

  187. prem martyn says:


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    for amrito

  188. Lokesh says:

    That xmas hamper really is filled with goodies. I was wandering where my lobotomizer’s drill went…that’s a bit much.

  189. prem martyn says:

    it has a reverse action bolt…
    which means you can undo all the seeking you’ve done … and start all over again…
    endless fun for all the family (apparently )

  190. shantam says:

    Martyn´s pre xmas announcement is worth to be part of Osho liniage.
    From my side, little biographical correction. From 1987-2007, much of my tie i have spend in the ashram compounds, and was the eye witness with other thousands, when Osho´s funeral celebration took place and how Amrito spoke about the continuity of Osho´s work as per His guidelines…
    Have someone ever wondered, why “I leave you my Dream” video is not on the net, in its entirity?

  191. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, Have someone ever wondered, why “I leave you my Dream” video is not on the net, in its entirity?

    I don’t know for sure but I suspect because nobody is really interested, except you.

  192. Lokesh says:

    Quiz time.

    Who said; Angel-headed hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection
    to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night.

    Post your response and the winner will receive access to a numbered Swiss bank account loaded with money squirreled away by Sheela after she stole it from the ranch. Get busy!

  193. prem martyn says:

    not forgetting chaitanya keertis and aruns’s double edition

    ‘Priime Ministers we have loved’.. a colouring book for ages 4-99..

    and

    ‘ HobNobs and the Best Biscuits ever.’… a fairy story of very important people who would never do any group therapy even if you paid them

  194. prem martyn says:

    tickets for neeravs Xmas Show

    A young persons Guide to the Mystery of Mysteries

    A puppet show explaining how to get to Nirvana via Nepal, including

    Act1
    The puppets are Opening a corner shop

    Act 2
    The puppets are calling it
    Osho Supermarket

    Act 3
    the puppets are
    having their photo taken with leading managers of other Osho Supermarket chainstores

    Act 4
    Saying how wonderful it all is

    Act 5
    the puppets say :
    Keep on acting
    and tell everyone its a religious moment..

    Act 6
    Ensure a captive audience.. have them pay you and lock the doors…
    say ahhhh ooohhh osho..anything but keep them busy…

  195. prem martyn says:

    lokesh … i just googled it..

    but….was hitler a hippie too.. try this

    copy paste and zoom to read..

    http://www.internationaltimes.it/index.php?year=1977&volume=IT-Volume-Q&issue=12&item=IT_1977-08-01_G-IT-Volume-Q_Iss-12_014-015

  196. shantam says:

    I don’t know for sure but I suspect because nobody is really interested, except you.
    A psychological insight from Lorkesh…

    It can also means all these individualistic puppets have the same collective mind…
    And poor Shantam has to play unique. A single mad person in an empty building of mental asylum will definately be unique….

    Approx. 98-99.8% humanity is any way not interested in Osho. Their world begin and end with Mahabharta, Karbala, last supper and Bodhi Tree…

    and if Osho´s sannyasins are also not interested in the life after Him shows few points…on the top is, they have become Buddha´s in themselves, on the middle means, they are ex sannyasins, little under means, they are new reqruits, not familair with the whole menu of Osho…and on the bottom means, thnakful creatures in the line of beggers. Put few cents in the hat and one gets a thanks..nothing more, nothing less…

  197. prem martyn says:

    in victorian times women were encouraged to ‘lean back and think of the empire…’

    arun has adapted that one….

  198. prem martyn says:

    shantam i watch listen fall blissfully asleep to osho on http://www.homeoflife.com regularly… but it still leads to get a life

    whatever you do you will be busy with you not osho… unless you have a bobble hat to copy him with…

    use a mirror for practice

  199. shantam says:

    The middle aged who only care for parents because THEY stand to gain

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332215/Family-breakdown-leaving-generation-elderly-parents-isolated-lonely.html#ixzz1673jfjFQ

    Rather than see it as a duty to look after their parents, many middle-aged people offer help only if there is something in it for them. As a result, support is often negotiated and bargained for…

    When the continents become full with thankless Pigs sorry refined, cultivated, educated, hedonist, individual souls… who also like to read esoteric books and if they fuck once in a while, they think it is Tantra..if they meditate for 2 weeks, it must be enlightenment…

  200. prem martyn says:

    well you’ll have to practice your acting more shantam…
    ….you know the subtitled variety

    there’s more laughs in it..for everyone else…
    its a selfless act to be the object of derision..

    please dont stop…

  201. shantam says:

    You are very true Martyn, i don´t expect Osho to go to the parents meeting in school and listen how children care not about their future,

    Osho also will not ask His managers to pay for my rent and health insurrance, i am indebted to the German social system..

    I am also indebted to my mother, who is cleaning dishes and i am writing on the computer.

    No Sir, I have not retained Osho´s services as my escort and lawyer for the other world.

    I also think, if there is a redemption of the soul and it is achieved by the grace and compassion of someone, it is not redemption than….

    But yes.. like few others, i appreciate the honesty, itelligence, high moral and ethical atmosphare and person who was part of the caravan around a living Master, will not hesitate to say His eye witness account, that too, when few people are adament to throw the essence and keep the coarse and mundane things alive….
    How one can remain silent to see a Bull being castrated as ox..

    I am vegan on few levels.

  202. prem martyn says:

    thanks for earlier compliment btw

  203. shantam says:

    its a selfless act to be the object of derision..
    Oh my God..what a sentence, and i have to look in the dictionary for the meaning of Derision.

  204. prem martyn says:

    well its easier than doing the dishes…

    i think kavita scared everyone else away yesterday .. she must have forgotten her pills..

  205. shantam says:

    Oh yes.. i have forgotten to tell you, Martyn, please convey my regards to Johanna the Cow, Shantam the pig and other wonderful beings….

    I am becoming almost vegetarian….

    Thanks to YOU..and the woman, whose heart i want to (rent, borrow, lease, purchase or get as Gift)

  206. prem martyn says:

    thats the best news ive heard all week shantam…
    stay with it .. it gets better and better

    hooray for the clinton video…

    and for that old pune 1 song… all beings are from the very beginning buddhas…
    i convey them your best wishes

  207. Lokesh says:

    IT, good link, Martyn…Bookmarked for lateta.

  208. Lokesh says:

    I’ve always thought that a society that neglects to take care of the eldery and show them some respect is a society that is bankrupt. It is simply short-sighted to not take into account that most of us will age a lot before we die, and that we are all on the same leaky boat. Do unto others etc.

  209. shantam says:

    Lokesh, during the last years, Osho has answered few questions about aging gracefully, how society upto now is insenstive to the needs of the vast population and how elderly people need to be engaged into a new kind of education, subjective education related with meditation, how to face death and other related matters and so on.
    Like almost all of His talks, these were not written from a library desk but spoken before thousands of people, HIS people, not just paid audience, the way politicla leaders in India gather around them..

    It pains me to see that His organisation has chosen asimple path, simply sell the books, so that Other learn something from it and create new kind of communes and old people´s home…
    And what these junk yard souls at 17, Koregaon Park should do..
    To eat at the pool side restaurant, to take a drink at the Bistro and than to go to the room(with someone)…

    Where preaching happens more than practising..the road to the hell starts from there..(seems like a universal truth)

  210. prem martyn says:

    i would just like to declare that my life is now filled with meaning—

  211. shantam says:

    Martyn…You can elobrate this fullfillment with meaning..

    It will be the inspitring story…

  212. prem martyn says:

    i will shantam..soon…
    ……. suspense is part of the joy…

  213. prem bubbie says:

    I took a look at that site, PM; “homeoflife”… they’re trying to sneak in Osho under the pretext of a universal brotherhood banner… read the “about us” section… yeah right, they can’t even get the human origins part right… it’s Africa, not the middle east you bozos.

  214. prem bubbie says:

    Do we need a purpose to exist in this universe, or do we exist just to exist? Ask Kavita— the next full moon… or shantam after the next hug-fest.

  215. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, you are myopic. What goes on in Koregaon Park is such a small affair. There is life beyond Bund Garden Road, you just need the eyes to see it. In the old days we used to do this thing called expand your consciousness. You should try it sometime, because the signs all say you are living in a very small world and it does not appear to be doing you any good on a personal level. Anyone for a piece of shrunken head?

  216. prem martyn says:

    bubbie you were not missed out from the hamper of mystery gifts.. in fact
    there is a
    Bubbie’s build yourself an outdoor latrine kit
    A years supply of empty beer cans piled up outside a neighbours yard at midnight
    All the Beverly Hillbillies videos as a learning set for religious community building.. boondocks style


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    bubbie i didnt realise you were advocating that darned self realization all them years ago..in that home movie of yours…. hiuh hiuh hiuh

    and here’s the famous mantra tune to sing along to

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  217. prem martyn says:

    bubbie you were not missed out from the hamper of mystery gifts.. in fact
    there is a
    Bubbie’s build yourself an outdoor latrine kit
    A years supply of empty beer cans piled up outside a neighbours yard at midnight
    All the Beverly Hillbillies videos as a learning set for religious community building.. boondocks style

    bubbie i didnt realise you were advocating that darned self realization all them years ago..in this here home movie of yours…. hiuh hiuh hiuh


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  218. prem martyn says:

    and here’s the famous hillbilly mantra tune to sing along to


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  219. shantam says:

    !7, Koregaon Park is just an address, once it was destined to be the spiritual capital of the world.
    Who brought its down fall?
    The very people who were suppose to follow the lead of the Master, and just because these gentlemen are white elephants does not make them prone to public scrutiny and divine immunity…

    The matter of the fact is, everybody who came closer to Osho from His relatives to his personal care taker to His international secretaries all are Equally and proportionatley responsible for the back clouds around the full moon…

    And this hard factual reality simply takes the myth away that to be around Buddha, you will become Buddha…
    This piece of dry shit was used as a lollypop for centuries, but the reality in the digital age has taken this myth away…
    Yes, it is the trust and inspiration of heart in the common masses which makes wonder and not just the presence before the Master, what so ever is the name of the Master…
    ANd for this reason, my heart says THANKYOU to all those people in India, all those young men and women who are taking sannyas without Osho´s physical presence and who are initiated by those people, who are not welcome at Pune ashram…

    And i am sure, one day Pune will be controlled by these people and will be offered to the world with heartful innocence and as much transparaancy as Osho´s discourses..

    It is a common sense more powerful than any prophacy…

  220. shantam says:

    Lokesh, there is always life beyond any address. Life outer or inner, does not begin and end with Vatican, Macca, 10 drowning street or white house…
    Even life does not begin and end with this earth…
    Same is about spirituality or the instinct of survival….

    Neither it is my theme that whether because of Andrew Cohan or Meera, Tolle or ravi Shankar etc..world is becoming closer to enlightenment.
    as i see, the trend and the call of the time is—

    No God, No Religion, But Plenty Of Spirituality

    My idea is simply to expose the cleverness of the new age priests around Osho….
    My idea is simply to go on hammering that as far as Osho is concerned there is no need of some person(s) views to be highlighted.
    People with their defination or interpretation of Osho are free to establish their structure where ever they want, on their countries or on far away stars,,,,BUT THE LAB WHERE OSHO GAVE HIS LAST OF BREATH SHOULD HAVE THE COOPERATIVE STRCUTRE.

    OSHO HAS INVISIONED PUNE ASHRAM WHERE TEMPLE MEETS THE BAR, CULTURE MEETS THE RELIGION, EAST MEETS THE WEST.
    NO HEGEMONY OF ANY KIND FROM ANY SIDE.

  221. shantam says:

    Presently Pune is a city surrounded by the population of approx. 5.5 million people, where as many countries have much lesser population.
    Even from the days of Osho´s presence in Pune there were not more than few hundred Puneites connected with him and one can add around 150 to 200 people more who came from different part of India to be with Osho and slowly slowly got settled around Koregaon park. Most of them are renting the flats(i am one of them), selling statues ans stones, selling silk and cotton to their friends in the west and ex.workers of Osho Times doing flier printing and publishing work..

    It means not more than 550 people in a city of 5.5 million people are Osho´s followers…
    Have i ever said that these majority of the people are infidals, that there spiritual IQ is less than osho´s sannyasins…
    NEVER…
    If somebody has misunderstood, i repeat
    Never, Never, Never…

    Have i ever said that those who are meditating or praying will have any kind of preferance in this life and other…
    NO..Never
    If some mathematical calculation can predict the mysteries of life that where is the mystery ??
    Therefore, my most favourate sentence is…” no one can say, prostitute is less worthy than priestess”

    But yes, being a sannyasin who has spend His life time in Osho´s world, i wish to play the role of cleaner or the cleaning organ..
    In India, the second biggest poltical party calls itself, party with the differance, and the whole country knows there leaders in power are as corrupt, greedy and brutal than any other party…
    If as a young person i would have joined this party, at this age of life with all the Osho in my veins, ” i would have put them in the embrassing position too. Show and prove to the world, you are different and that differance can be showed only when your hands remain clean, even when it has touched the power…

    Therefore it is my firm conviction, it does not matter how influential sannyasian are and in how many numbers we are…But yes…we must use the same parameters for us, What Osho used to judge Christians and Hindu organsitaions…

  222. prem martyn says:

    ok the meaning is this….
    well guys its been a while since i wrote anything deeply meaningtude
    but i thought to give you all the very
    best of a great life since kavita left in a haze….
    :)
    here are the instructions for living domestic life to the full…

    Walk around the kitchen

    and be grateful for all the items in it… :)
    say them out loud with religious joyful wonderment :)

    then happily sing the song
    My life has meaning because ….
    ( and add anything anything whatsoever you like to the sentence….)

    and sing in any style you like….. :)

    if you find this useful please donate all your spare change to this weeks charity appeal

    Save Our Secrets

    C/o The Doc
    17-21 Koregaon Park Resort Villas
    Military Cantonment
    Pune

  223. prem martyn says:

    it might be 17-19 ..koregaon park by the time you read this in case someone or a few get banned…..

  224. Swami Gump says:

    I am of the opinion that Osho talks in Contexts and contexts are applied in anonymous situations because there is nothing there to prove and doctrine.

    I agree with Bubbie, It really doesn’t matter what Osho has said or have been saying unless we have the eyes to look within ourselves.

    Osho keep encouraging us to find our true nature without hanging upon ideas given by someone else. At the same time he also encourages us to use his insights and take some help in surrendering the egos that obscure our vision.

    For the mind it’s a complicated and easy to get dragged, whereas for an evolved person it’s an easy game. Play it the way you want it.

  225. Swami Gump says:

    Love you all…Thanks for being here..

    Swami Gump aka Forest Gump…

  226. prem martyn says:

    shantam…
    …. if it makes you happy…

    P.S…

    Gump
    Im not intelligent and understand nothing

    does this help ?

  227. Swami Gump says:

    Martyn,

    Play it the way you want it.

  228. Satya Deva says:

    Here’s one for you, Martyn:


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  229. Satya Deva says:

    One for everyone…getting through loss…


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  230. Satya Deva says:

    And one for Shantam (?)…


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  231. prem bubbie says:

    For the latrine kit, I recommend using used condoms as a lime substitute, those fuckin’ chinks forgot to include the lime with the kit. that’s the cost of doing business in China!!

  232. prem bubbie says:

    P.M. Wasn’t that Osho taking a screen test? Too much make up I guess…He needed to hone his craft , learn the ropes. That person falling was Somendra… he worked in Hollywood back then as a stunt double… that’s where he first met Osho, on the Beverly Hillibiies set.

  233. prem bubbie says:

    Yo Shantam,, Confirmed that his Dungee-ness the Dalai Lama Ding dong is actually resigning…. only as head of the defacto gov’t based in Dharmsala. He is still retaining his post as Tibet spiritual leader, and some other obscure title…. I wonder if he’s been reading SN? Maybe even dealt with my obscenities and read my posts about what i thought about him… I Hope he takes that shriveled up old prune called the “Oracle” with him and gives him a pacifier and bib to keep from drooling while he mumbles more “visions”.

  234. prem bubbie says:

    OMG!!!! It’s – It’s – Forest Gump!!!! Back as Swami Gump….Why the name change? Forgot how to spell Forest? Happy Hanukkah to you, Bro!!!

  235. shantam says:

    Es Dhamao Santano discourse 31, 7th minute
    If someone wants to translate from Hindi to English..

    Jo bhi shahstra main Bhatka woh BHATKA
    Paap bhi itna nahi Bhatkata, jitna Shashtra bhatka dete hain..

    Kayonki Paap main hath to jalta hain kam se Kam
    Paap maim chot to lagti hain, Ghav to Bante hain..

    Shashtra to bara Surakshit hain..Na hath jalte hain, na chot lagti hain, Ulte bina jaane jaan-ne ka maza aane lagta hain. Anhkar ko bare Abushan mil jaate hain..

    Budha Kehte hain..jo jaan lain saway seee. woh gyani hain…wohi brahma hain..Jo shshtra se jaane..woh brahman Aabhas..Uss se bachna..
    Aur savayam kabhi Aapne jeevan se yeh updrav matt Karna..ke jeevan ko seedhe na jaan kar..shastron main ulajh jayon,,..

  236. shantam says:

    Unity in Diversity…

    This phrase may be one listens and reads almost on daily basis in India.
    The country with 18 written languages and 347 spoken languages cannot be otherwise than a country of unity in diversity…

    In any other country such diversity will make riots..
    The western people who became so eager to change their names in Indian language may be can reflect upon this diversity, may be it will give them a sense that Osho being the product of this diverse culture was instrumental to integrate diverse spiritual paths into His movement…

  237. shantam says:

    It’s April 29 and you are all invited! Millions to celebrate ‘People’s Royal Wedding’ with street parties, pop concert and a holiday that could last 11 days….

    A primetime example of Western Individualism…….!!!

  238. shantam says:

    Thanks God..India got freedom from the jaws of British empire, and in the process, thousands of city kings and Maharajas lost their stolen glory..

    Without this happening, thousands of these Maharajas and Maharanis were suppose to present themselves as foot mates for the royal wedding and other royal life and death happenings…

  239. shantam says:

    Everybody cannot be business entrepreneur nor the manager, but to have the share of that company is a right people can avail..
    Same way, freedom fighters don´t fight for themselves but to secure the citizenship rights for a country or a race.
    Today in one of the landmark elections in Bihar, India´s second most illiterate and backward state, people have given the historical mandate to a man who changed the equations in 83 million people´s mindset by corruption free governance and visible development..
    I think the biggest evolution which has taken place in many parts of the world other than Islamic countries, Vatican and Osho´s Ashram is the Power to the people…
    Some arrogant and snobbish assholes may still think, people are like cattles but the dose of education simply eradicates blind following like Polio or Malaria…

    On the other side keeping in mind Osho´s sannyas initiation, it is not a small feast to make people from the developed countries change their name and loyalties. Not few but more than few hundred thousands…

    After Osho´s departure, these people called Sannyasins are the joint custodian of His vision and work.
    In case of any ambiguity and doubts among the managers, these people´s opinion and inspirations must be taken into consideration..
    Last 12, 13 years have shown how majority of the sannyasins have simply withdrawn themselves from Pune scene…
    By forcibly imposing their will, even there is a good intention behind, these few people have simply crushed the very spirit of Sannyas…

    Still it is not too late to ask sannyas community, what they want..The sannyasins are the Osho personified…

  240. Satya Deva says:

    Hah Hah Hah!

    Keep workin’ on that inferiority complex, Shantam…

    One day, you never know…

  241. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam:
    Clearly a failure in the ‘inner world’ (he never ventures there niow)…

    But just watch him go as an Indian ‘freedom-fighter’!

    Who says he won’t make a seat on Poona City Council?!

  242. prem martyn says:

    shantam…

    i think this is infamy

    i can hear you calling loudly..

    infamy infamy… they’ve all ‘got it in for me’

    what a carry on
    but i’ll send you best vegetarian wishes

    ps anyone win the xmas hamper ?

  243. prem martyn says:

    pps i’m thinking of doing a get rich quick group for the new year… can anyone recommend a title for my forthcoming ermm training?

    cheers..

  244. prem martyn says:

    i’m thinking that someone ought to do a charity fuck me for osho like this one here

    http://www.fuckforforest.com/side-meny.html

    and
    anyone remember this..
    I was thinking of doing it over photos of famous Osho Centre Leaders/ therapists for charity…

    The first ever Masturbation Marathon London event is coming to town in an explosion of self gratification, looking to beat the current world record for the longest masturbation session this summer. Crowds of excited individuals will be going for broke in a unique London event, raising funds, heartbeats and more than a few smiles for charitable causes.

    Masturbation Marathons, or Masturbate-a-thons, have taken place in San Francisco for the past five years, aiming to raise awareness about sexual health and help raise funds for charity organisation the Center for Sex and Culture. The event is now coming to London for the first time, giving people on this side of the Atlantic a chance to rise to the challenge for the first time.

    Up for it?
    Both men and women are welcome to take part in the Masturbation Marathon London event which will feature single sex areas, mixed sex areas and solo booths for more inhibited participants. Not for the faint hearted, the current record for continuous masturbation allegedly stands at an impressive eight and a half hours, a time which participants will be hoping to smash in spectacular style. Slow and steady wins the race…

    Masturbation Marathon rules
    Hourly breaks are allowed and prizes are on offer for the most orgasms. However, a team of naked invigilators will be on hand throughout the Masturbation Marathon London event to make sure that everyone plays by the rules, which means no faked orgasms and no undue pauses.

    Channel 4 Wank-a-thon action
    It has been announced that the event will be covered by Channel 4 and broadcast later this year in a programme that has been given the working title Wank-a-thon. So if you’ve ruled out Big Brother this could be your opportunity to grab your minute of fame with both hands. The more modest will be able to catch all the hands on action from the comfort of their living room and find out if London has what it takes to compete with the best of them on an international scale, in what promises to be one of the most sensational TV programmes of the year.

  245. shantam says:

    Why Infamy….
    Few people get free entertainment…and show their reality…

    I have heard, ” Never feed a slave with your hands, they will bite the fingers. because they are habitual to lick the food from the feet of their Masters.”

    When confirmists of the world gathered around Osho..they were feeling head ache, as one feels after the strong liquor.
    To reduce this hang over, one must mix some lemon juice..
    What is Amma?
    a kind of lemon juice for hangovered souls…

  246. shantam says:

    Satya Deva,
    To talk of inner world with friends is against the very spirit of inner world.

    What one can say about the journey of extreme aloneness..
    Chakra sensation, itiching in the back and the neck, past life memories…. clarvoyant tendencies….seeing Ufos…talking with dead…

    I have no experience…

    feeling little poor in this direction..

  247. Kavita says:

    There is an . . Aakashvani . . that the for Ashram is having a Great Celebration . . on 11th dec 2011 . . Finally . . its Showering . . here . . in Poona . . for this flight :)

  248. shantam says:

    Kavita, i think the great celebration is not on 11th December, that will be following the foot steps of other religious tradation.
    OSHO Winter Festival from December 3 – 7, 2010 At The OSHO International Meditation Resort.

    Everyday is a celebration was the guiding philosphy of the resort..so no Osho birthday celebration etc.
    But still…right steps for the right direction..Disciples want to relate..Symbolism is part of the journey…
    Love for everybody on the path…

  249. prem martyn says:

    about the festival….

    save your money and donate it for something less than corporate wanking on a festival where the money goes to support NOTHING and NOONE.:
    donate it instead to something or someoine who can actually benefit from your er wonderful sky reaching open hearted spiritual wisdom

    or just have a wank in private if you cant give your money away…

  250. prem martyn says:

    there is a cockani in the cuntanti that is making a spermatasba in my bed tonight….
    and i dedicate it and her to osho’s vision

  251. Kavita says:

    lets wait for him to call . . lam in waiting . . now . . :)

  252. shantam says:

    save your money and donate it for something less than corporate wanking on a festival where the money goes to support NOTHING and NOONE.:

    And the inbuilt Osho software in the head will scream, ” How it can be. Osho is against charity and donation?
    And yes..He is for sharing….and i share with my girlfriend/boy friend. Easy is the best, best is the easy.!
    So simple is to live the teaching!

  253. shantam says:

    Someone who has a room in the resort was gushing, ” We are expecting ten to twenty thousand people during the festival.After many years Ashram will be full”..and than she looks around, whether someone has heard her saying Ashram and not resort.!

  254. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam:
    What one can say about the journey of extreme aloneness..
    Chakra sensation, itiching in the back and the neck, past life memories…. clarvoyant tendencies….seeing Ufos…talking with dead…

    SD:
    That’s all bullshine anyway, Shantam – apart from “itching in the back and the neck”…

    You know, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if you really do believe that rubbish is some sort of significant ‘inner journey’…

    As I thought, you’re just a would-be ‘politician’, nothing else!

  255. Satya Deva says:

    Have a listen to the music I dedicated for you last night, Shantam -

    Particularly, perhaps, the words….

  256. Lokesh says:

    Ah, my crystal ball was right…Kavita has reappeared.

  257. prem martyn says:

    lokesh….
    oh balls…

    ive used up all my best sexual degeneracy to frighten her off and the fat arsed psycho depressive whore cant get enough

    women huh…..

  258. Lokesh says:

    Hi Martyn…check out Irvine Welsh’s ‘Bedroom Secrets of the Master Chefs’ for inspiration. There are a couple of scenes in that book that were utterly disgusting as I recall.

  259. prem martyn says:

    the thing is theres no justice in the universe.. osho never bothered about it ..philosophically ,existentially ….emotionally….so really shantam has to try….

    he’s trained…

    but he is becoming veggy which is actually more important
    :)

  260. prem bubbie says:

    Didn’t the old man say.. “Nature doesn’t care about you, so don’t be bothered by Nature”? A true “Do what you feel like, and never mind the consequences”, statement… the again, during the post ranch days, he embraced the “green” movement in Germany and started to give “pro-environment” discourses…. so much for his mental sharpness and wit… he didn’t give a shit really, just show him the money!!!

  261. Satya Deva says:

    Bubbie
    Didn’t the old man say.. “Nature doesn’t care about you, so don’t be bothered by Nature”?

    SD:
    If so, then lifted right out of context, bubbie…

    His whole effort was to get people ‘in tune with’ Existence, not so much chasing around after their own tails, as ‘Society’ more or less programmes us to do…

  262. prem bubbie says:

    “In tune with existence”, – to be aware of how it functions, especially on the “earthly” level.. rising above the mediocrity of earthly existence, if possible.. why get dragged down with the “Dominate/submissive”,”hunt/hunted”roles of animals/human “natural” existence…. “rise above the mundane and ye shall be free”– Father Guido Sarducci

  263. prem bubbie says:

    Agent Don Ki? You mean Don Quixote don’t you? Now that’s a very apt name for Shantam…. You are now christened D. Quixote… go get ‘em!!!

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