The Deportation of Osho from the UK 1986

UK throws out the Truth – Osho deported from Heathrow
In March, 1986 I organised a petition for English people (not just sannyasins) to sign here in London that was sent to the then British Home Secretary, Douglas Hurd to try and get him to re-admit Osho (then called Bhagwan) to the UK. He seemed to be flying in a Lear Jet from airport to airport around the world, and being refused entry virtually everywhere.

Osho actually spent a night at Heathrow airport, but was refused admission.

I wrote a letter to accompany the petition, and this letter and Home Office reply was used by Maneesha (p 437/8 in her book “One man against the whole ugly past of humanity”).

I put these on paper again and say again that this was a very great chance for the British Buddhafield and for the UK to experience an enlightened presence, and like other governments the UK was under pressure from the Americans to make life as difficult as possible for Osho.

It has always been strange for me to see that those of a mystical focus are readily persecuted by political or religious authorities, or the sheer weight of conventional wisdom through newspapers, etc. Jesus, Mansoor, Rumi, Gurdjieff, to name but a few have suffered, in the first two cases with their lives, and the circus to which Osho was subjected around the world in trying to find a place to re-settle his commune certainly did not do his health any good, and may well have contributed, amongst other factors, to his relatively early death. Here is the correspondence, please feel free to comment.

Letter from Parmartha to Douglas Hurd, British Home Secretary (March,86)

Dear Mr Hurd,
These signatures on the accompanying petition speak for themselves. Many ordinary citizens who are not followers of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh have chosen to stand up and be counted and ask that this man, who has touched the lives of many in profound and beautiful ways should be given the chance to give of his wisdom and love to the English people.
Whatever may seem to have, and continues to happen around him is part of the mystery of how he functions, but for the many thousands who have had the privilege to taste this man at close quarters I can only underline that he speaks to the highest qualities in human beings. Your department’s decision has in fact left England immeasurably poorer.
I hope that you will weigh these comments, and those from others you have received, very carefully, if this man’s visa comes up for reconsideration. I would also welcome your comments on the whole issue, as for me it speaks against all religious tolerance.

Yours faithfully,
Anand Parmartha

The Home Office replied, but took 3 months to do so. Here is their reply.

Dear Mr Parmartha,
Thank you for your letter and petitions of March 25th and 26th April to the Home Secretary about Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.
The Bhagwan arrived at Heathrow on March 6th but was refused leave to enter the UK on the grounds that his exclusion was conducive to the public good. As required by the Immigration Rules this decision was taken in the light of what was known about the Bhagwan’s character, conduct and associations. We understand that the Bhagwan recently had to leave the united States after being convicted of immigation offences for which he was given a ten year suspended sentence of imprisonment and a substantial fine was imposed. We understand that he maty also have convictions in India. His activities have been investigated by the Indian police, and the police in the uSA would like to interview several of his followers in connection with embezzlement. In the light of this the immigration officer decided to refuse leave to enter the UK. If the Bhagwan is unhappy about the refusal he may, of course, appeal to the independent appellate authorities.

Yours sincerely

Miss Ward
(UK Home Office)

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314 Responses to The Deportation of Osho from the UK 1986

  1. Lokesh says:

    I reckon it all came down to business and political interests. The United States government turned Osho into a global pariah and it was easier for the UK government to just say no and thus avoid conflict with the Americans. Britain is, afterall, a bit of a satelite state to America…you must have heard about the ‘special friend’ political and economic relationship that has been going on between those two countries for quite some time now.
    Although Osho is still the fulcrum of many of his devotees lives ,I think that he was not that important in the greater scheme of things in relation to the material world….just another Indian guru who got a little carried away with himself. I don’t think the Americans saw him as a threat, a bit of a nuisance perhaps, that’s all. That does not mean to say that a lot of what he did and said was not important. He has effected a multitude of peoples’ lives, including my own, in a positive way, but that is another matter.
    So, Osho was a nuisance to the Americans and they simply wanted him to go back to whence he came and they got their way. Osho made some bad moves. It was a mistake to start a commune in America in the first place. Rajneeshpuram was originally zoned as being a place where six people were allowed to live. Sheela paid $5,000,0000 for the ranch before that was discovered. it was a disasterous beginning and therefore it was not such a big surprise that it soon fell apart. I mean to say, the whole thing was handled Indian style…baksheesh mentality….thinking you can get away with anything if you have enough money. But vote rigging and then poisoning a few hundred people is pushing it, especially in a hick place like Oregon. I mean to say, if a strange cult centred round a guy who looked like ZZ Top’s dad moved into your neighbourhood and poisoned some of your relatives, how would you feel about it? Simple arithmatic.
    So Osho returned eventually to India end of story, and even great stories have to end some time.
    It is hardly surprising that what happened to Osho happened the way it did. He fought the law and the law won and the ones who made the law told the world that he was a hot potatoe and if you help him you will be burned. No empty threat when delivered by the most powerful nation on earth.
    I think it is a mistake to read too much into this part of the story. Although it makes good headlines, and did, it really is on the surface and has little to do with all the good things that can be found by studying the life of Osho.

  2. frank says:

    that`s right.
    the big boy governments hound torture and eleminate their opponents legally,phycially and financially everyday of the week …
    look at dr kelly in uk,for example…
    totally blatant..
    was he that scary for the govt?
    dont care,just get rid….

  3. prem bubbie says:

    The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi- his ashram is going strong(last I heard) in Iowa. Why? his decision to keep things low key… the last thing one should do is upset a clan that thinks it’s on top of the world…. Big egos ruled at Rajneeshpuram so it would have been asking the impossible i suppose. As for Sheela being the choice to rule… Osho chose the characters with the biggest egos to run and organize things, so many residents, being college and post graduate educated-i.e. BIG EGOS needed to be dominated or else utter chaos- sheela seemed to fit the bill…. to the present… don’t think the current rulers get it, though. Rajneeshpuram was NOT a commune… repeat- NOT a commune… for those still in denial…. there is something called a dictionary, and reality.

  4. prem bubbie says:

    Who the fuck is Dr. kelly- for us unenlightened yanks

  5. Lokesh says:

    I think the Doc Kelly in question was a British scientist who let the cat out of the bag about biological weapons in Iraq, or something like that. He obviously said something that he was not supposed to and ended up dead. I think there was a government enquiry into it but I suspect, going by Frank’s comment, that nothing came of it. The point being that if the people in power see you as a nuisance they either get rid of you or shunt you up a siding

  6. frank says:

    dr kelly was chemical weapons expert who expressed doubts to a journalist about the govts take on wmds before iraq war..
    his identity as the source was discovered.he was interogated and was found dead in a wood two days later.
    allegedly commited suicide by cutting his wrists with a penknife.
    a whole raft of doctors and experts disagree with the verdict..
    several enquiries have been set up.nothing happened.
    well dodgy.

  7. Shantam says:

    Parmartha,
    As a disciple, you did a very good job to write to than British Home secretary.
    A paragraph taken from Wikki can also shed the light over the decisions taken by various world govts. following a certain convention under the international laws.

    Travels and return to Pune: 1986–1990
    After leaving the United States, Osho returned to India, landing in Delhi on November 17. (1985)
    On the day of his arrival, he was given a hero’s welcome by his Indian disciples after returning from a U.S. jail and he denounced the United States saying the world must “put the monster America in its place” and that “Either America must be hushed up or America will be the end of the world.” He then travelled up to Himachal Pradesh where he stayed for six weeks. When his followers’ visas were revoked by the government, he moved on to Kathmandu, Nepal. A few weeks later he moved on to Crete in Greece. After being arrested by the KYP, he flew to Geneva, Switzerland, where he was refused entry. He then travelled to Stockholm, Sweden, and to Heathrow, UK, which also refused him entry. He flew next to Canada, which refused landing permission with the result that he returned to Shannon, Ireland in order to refuel his plane. He was allowed to stay for two weeks, at a hotel in Limerick City, on condition that he did not go out and did not give any talks. A visa was arranged for Uruguay, and they took off again, stopping at Madrid on the way, where the plane was surrounded by the Guardia Civil. The next stop was Dakar, Senegal where he was allowed to spend the night. The next day the party continued on to Recife, Brazil, and finally on to Montevideo, Uruguay. In Uruguay the group moved to a house at Punta del Este where Osho again began speaking to his followers. He had been granted a Uruguayan identity card, one-year provisional residency and a possibility of permanent residency. On June 19, for no official reason, Osho was ‘invited to leave’. A two-week visa was arranged for Jamaica, but on arrival in Kingston, the police gave the group 12 hours to leave the country. After refuelling in Gander, Canada, (despite being refused permission) and again in Madrid, Spain, Osho returned to Mumbai, India, on July 30, 1986

    When Osho´s own country could not allow Him to settle down in the Himachal Pardesh state and created all kind of obstacles for His closed disciples to accompany Him, one cannot expect from the foreign states with their own domestic policies to be lenient with Him.

    During Osho´s prison days in US, the most widely read Hindi Newspaper of that time, ” Panjab Kesari” started publishing the Hugh Milne Book, ” God that Failed” in the serial form wih the title, ” Yeh Kesa Bhagwan” (what kind of Bhagwan is this).

    My neighbours and co passengers in the bus on the way to University and fellow students, will bring the cuttings of that article to persuade,” your kind of sober personality does not fit with this notorious guru. But we are curious to know, what prompted you to be His disciple.”
    I think till my last tour in the ashram 2006, i have tried to give the best possible answer to satisfy the curiosity of the visitors..

    But one day, we all listen the call of our inner too.
    And i think the best way to follow Osho is to be a better human being than the adversaries.

    If we play the same kind of politics of prosecution and banning, we simply prove, what the govts. did with Osho was not wrong. They had the obligation to protect the belief system of their constituents and constitution…

    Dear Parmartha, would you like to write a letter to the chairman of inner circle to drop the banning policy, if not for the year long, at least during the reintroduced festival seasons.
    Coming winter festival is in December!

  8. prem martyn says:

    Doctor Kelly
    Suicide

    Doctor Amrito
    Poisoned

    Osho
    Poisoned then Banned

    and…

    …..Shantam
    Still Free and Writing about the Pune Loonies

    ….
    ( He managed to slip that in whilst were all comparing photos of ZZTop to Osho )

  9. frank says:

    hail shantam
    relig-idiot of the global village
    committed punatic….

    may the road rise up to meet you…..

  10. Shantam says:

    Simple and straight questions have no simple and straight answers…
    Illitrae masses are being ruled by the egoist leaders.
    Leaders say, it is not their fault because they even don´t know where the Ego lies. If they have no access to remote control, so how they can change the channels.
    So some education was needed.
    We the sannyasins have got the Master´s degree in Egonomy*.

    *Egonomy is a special yet highly useful branch of scinece where the learner spends years to focus on the breathing, so that he becomes expert in watching…

    Other people´s ego!

  11. prem martyn says:

    its a treasure shantam…

    a community joke that you have created yourself….

    HOORAAYYY

    one we can all understand

    Double HOORAYY

    and one that requires no attendance at any Osho evening class and is free and full of eastern promise

    Extra HOORAYY, cos i’m feeling generous and you’re worth it….

    and now for the audience participation bit…

    altogether ..
    Laugh…….( its good for the endocrine system ..come on everyone..)

    Shantam…( shantam, pssst..listen thats the sound of us all laughing…… whaddya mean it sounds like silence…..look…hear

    and here
    >Hahahahahahahahaha

    now print it off in BIG LETTERS for extra loudness….

    its like energy darshan with you you mad crazyyyy swami….

    one feels totally thankfully

    so uhmmmmm

    alone …….

  12. Chinmaya says:

    Thanks to US Administration and US Media who added to make Osho immortal world-wide till humanity survives. Everyone is curious to read/ listen and understand Osho discourses surreptiously, including Prime Ministers/ Presidents/ Premiers/ Queen and Prince of UK and other countries, besides Beaurocrats/ Industrailists/ Teachers/ Critics/ Media Personnel/ TV Anchors/ Religious Contractors/ – say all categories.

  13. Swami Aatmo Neerav says:

    Thank you for the post Parmartha. I had read in Shunyo’s book abut the experience at Heathrow. While he was in Nepal, Osho wanted to buy the Fish tail resort in Pokhara and a deal had also been made with the royal family that owned it here. However Jayesh was talking care of the money and kept on giving reasons that there was a problem in transferring the money from outside. For some strange reasons Jayesh and his group was very much against the idea of keeping Osho in Nepal. Osho stayed here for 45 days. King Brendra used to read Osho and was expected to become a sannyasin. Osho called him many times and has said that he was a good man but all the stupid protocols and him being the head figure of Hindus all over the world prevented him from coming to Osho. His brother the recent controversial King Gyanendra who was more powerful finally succeeded in his partnership with the Amercian govt to get Osho out of here and Osho went to Greece. Strangely while Nepal was where Gautama the Buddha was born, Greece was the land of Zorba.

    P.S Bubbie I have answered your questions that you asked me in the other forum. its called. ANSWER TO PREM BUBBIE ABOUT CAMERAS IN SANNYAS, FOOD, HYGIENE AND CLEANLINESS AT THE COMMUNE.go see

  14. prem martyn says:

    so finally we understand neerav’s disposition… he’s a top downer .. not a bottom upper…

    he takes it from above
    but doesnt get it from below

    routine conformist
    with manipulative intent

    westernized education
    none of its independent radical emotive heritage or comprehension.

    a borrower .. not even a seeker
    arse not ever placed on the line

    or his car keys…

  15. anugrah says:

    Shantam, your post nov 14, at 10.14 pm is worth reading again and again .

    you describe his world tour well …. uruguay government asked osho to leave because there was pressure from america who warnned uruguaian president that their loans will cancel and taken back if bhagwan continues to stay inside uruguay …….is that correct..?

    koplinee phir phoot aaye book is from which year……..he spoke hindhi in those few discourses to journalist .

    jail time in america and this stress during world tour has redused 15 to 20 years of osho physical life…….

  16. anugrah says:

    INSTITUTES LIKE Human rights and united nations offices in Geneva are controlled by ugly politicians of america and nato forces nations……osho was not allowed in geneva ,swiss that is enough proof of those ORGNIZATIONS OR INSTITUTES .
    HUMAN RIGHT COMMISION IS VERY INSANE WHEN IT COMES TO HELP FELLOW HUMANS……Red cross is same another non profitable company who makes millions every years from donations ……….20 percent goes to help poor and sick and 80 percent in their pockets………….

  17. prem martyn says:

    Im thinking of setting up a commune in Bongo land… I have a very good friend… King Bongo…
    he’s been reading that famous commune building book ‘Bed Swap Hopping and Closing your Eyes to unpleasant things.’
    He is particularly interested in the quote from Osho about no one in the commune belonging to anyone else..
    King Bongo thinks there’s not enough of it about in hs land..communes that is.

    He says that he has ben practising using his index finger on her energy centre to make his wife arch her back and lay down.. and he’d like to create a commune where others can do the same…..
    freely even without their own car.

    Statistically he reckons we could turn the nation into a mass of individuals all doing the same thing. He’s wise like that.

  18. Shantam says:

    Osho is Osho and was too much for the established powers. Everybody wants to protect their territory and belief system, including the people, who were nurtured by Osho himself…

    Let us leave aside, the nuisance value of Osho, A simple legal question, which applies to every citizen on the earth.
    Is it possible for anyone to get tourist or residential visas, straight after being deported from USA or even any other country under the plea bargain?
    Political asylum was also not possible as there was no fear of prosecution at home country.

    So i think with all the fairness to blame the govts. of that time is bit too emotional outburst…
    But yes..History will remember OSHO as the greatest spoiler of youth of his time…

    Do these youths of that time are taking the message further,,,are they spreading the Osho Buddhafield…

    May be someone can ask Mr. Jayesh, the unofficial successor of that rebellious spirit about his views.

  19. Shantam says:

    INSTITUTES LIKE Human rights and united nations offices in Geneva are controlled by ugly politicians of america and nato forces nations……

    I think as Osho disciple offering simplistc solutions, the best remedy to get rid of highly paid burocrates and politicians is that all the institutions from now on should be run by

    SODEXO kind of manpower companies.

    Oshofield is being run by Sodexo..and see..all the problems are solved.
    The eyshore commune has become the darling resort for…Humanity
    (Sodexo employees are too, part of the humanity.)

  20. Swami Aatmo Neerav says:

    Hahhahahahh lol JACPOT MARTYN!!! congratulations.
    ur literally crackin me up dude!

    the more you write, you just keep on vomiting the bruised state of your ego. take a chill pill dude. Why are you trying so hard to prove who Neerav is?

    “so finally we understand neerav’s disposition”

    And all those beautiful adjectives that follow… jus perfect.

    You just sounded like you were waiting waiting waiting and YAY! jackpot!!! hahahahhahahahhaha.

    thank you bro, i seriously enjoyed what you said and i am being honest. its fun playing here i feel like a puppeteer now hahhahahahahhahhaahahahhahaha
    or shud i say MUhahahhahahhahah giggling giggling more chuckling now ….my manipulative intent you know.

    hope it wont be hard for you to forget Neerav and move on to Osho at Heathrow, or maybe i ll just haunt you just one more night :)

  21. Swami Aatmo Neerav says:

    Bubbie,
    I answered your question on the other forum. Dont you have any concerns now, like caring about being in the moment or immersing in and blah blah balhdidah…(hahaha i still cannot believe you cud be concerned about the well being of sannyasins lol) anyways Well i have clearly attended all your queries.
    And if you dont have anything to say anymore to what i answered you then maybe now I can say, “My work here is done” :) thankyou

  22. Shantam says:

    Neerav,
    What are the daily charges for the overseas visiters at Osho Tapoban, food and accomodation included.
    How many people live and meditate there, in low seasons and high seasons?

    No doubt, the efforts of Arunji and his team are worth appreciating. To plant the branches of original idea and to make it grow..nothing can be better gratitude than this…

  23. Shantam says:

    http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HD/2010/11/15/ArticleHtmls/A-billion-hearts-beating-for-success-15112010002003.shtml?Mode=1

    Very nice article for those, who want to know New India…

    When billion hearts are beating for success. ..
    Osho´s efforts were to bring together thousands of hearts beating together for Nirvana, Buddhahood or what one can say…

    If you want to kill a genious, simply kill his ideas or simply make Osho as one of J.Krishnamurti or Ramana..
    It is easy to manage…

  24. prem bubbie says:

    What the fuck do you care about the numbers Shantam? Like a little fucking bookworm.. obsessed with the minutiae…. Like a squirrel collecting nuts for the winter… Shantam collects numbers, tally sheets, along with test tubes , bunsen burners and baseball cards…. Some kids never grow up.

  25. prem bubbie says:

    Neerav: now onto finding work somewhere else…. May osho help those poor souls who employ you….Sayounara chump-change

  26. Swami Aatmo Neerav says:

    Shantam,

    The charges are on Tapoban’s website http://www.tapoban.com and it includes three meals, participation in all the programs at the meditation hall, and accommodation.

    There are about 55 permanent residents all the time living , working and meditating in the commune. One session of meditation is a must for all staffs and people arrange accordingly in shifts.

    On residential weekend meditation camps, there are about hundred people, on Saturday Sessions there are 250-300 people, in residential monthly three day camps there are about 100- 150 people, in residential seven-day camps there are 200-250 people. A new residential block called the Nagarjuna block has recently been added, so now the commune can accommodate maximum number of 350 people at one time.

    The most crowded are the Celebration days like Osho’s birthday, Master’s Day, Enlightenment and Mahaparinirvana day. There are about 700-800 visitors.
    During this time its not only foriegners coming from all over the world but also all Nepalese sannyasins spread all over the country come. So we have to book the hotels also around the commune.

    Nowadays there is nothing such as high or low season since people keep on coming from different parts of the world. And nowadays, we have very few short period staying guests, most of them stay until their Visa expires, these are all ususally sannyasins or new people who want to take sannyas.

    Since this year many old sannyasins from Rajneeshpuram and Pune days mainly from the West, who used to work in the Ashram, have also started coming and want to stay as residents. We are trying to accommodate everyone but its difficult to find them work in the commune where they can volunteer since all departments have sufficient staffs.

  27. Lokesh says:

    The day begins with a chuckle thanks to Shantam. He is back in black and white, number one with a bullet, he’s a powerpack. He has retaken the role ov SN village idiot. I knew he had it in him but for a while back there he had me worried. He was actually making sense. Scary!
    Chinmaya and Anugrah tried but there is no way they could steal the champs crown. Anugrah’s conclussion quote: jail time in america and this stress during world tour has redused 15 to 20 years of osho physical life…… is pretty bizarre but in no way is it anywhere near the likes of Shantam’s pure idiocy, quote: Everybody wants to protect their territory and belief system, including the people, who were nurtured by Osho himself. This is absolutely brilliant because Shantam is of course describing himself. Chinmaya and Anugrah just don’t have the guts to step pver the line into pathological let-go of all sanity. Sorry guys. You’ll have to try harder if tou want to take the crown from the champ. Hail Shantam!

  28. Shantam says:

    “Everybody wants to protect their territory and belief system, including the people, who were nurtured by Osho himself….

    Shantam is not describing himself..he is describing the hilarious yet true nature of humans, one of the spices in the hierarchy of 8.4 million living types.

    Because Osho has built much part of his work on the uprising against the traditional and established norms,a nd his people have gone through intensive training in His presence, but where is the difference..

    Where is the manifestation of, ” Psychology of Buddhas”…
    Forests are too far away, who is saying the fact, “Osho zoo has more than fez dozens compartments.”
    Like children, people are feeding their favourite one and not even recognising the presence of other value systems incorporated in the scheme…
    And having lived my life in the close quarters of Osho movement, i have only one request to God, ” please don´t allow me in the company of those, who were personally coached by Osho.”
    They are the most fanatics ones..but yes..they have the diploma to fed only one kind of animal(value system) in the Zoo.
    They are so much in harmony with their Osho Zoo/museum/circus, that they will feel no pain..when other departments simply vanish.

    YES
    “Everybody wants to protect their territory and belief system, including the people, who were nurtured by Osho himself….

    It is clear, how people chose selective quotations of Osho to prove their own mindset.

  29. Lokesh says:

    Yes, yes, yes, the champ is back, no doubt about it, He’s gone beyond the beyond, as his latest comment shows. He’s speaking in tongues. Take this outstanding quote: Forests are too far away, who is saying the fact, “Osho zoo has more than fez dozens compartments.”
    Pure brilliance! Who could ever fathom what Shantam is talking about? Pure gibberish! Hail Shantam! Champion of the world.

  30. Shantam says:

    “Osho zoo has more than few dozens compartments.”!!

    Osho Ashram has more than few dozen faculites, so much so..to show the limitations of Universites, Osho coined the word Multiversity. Somehow to point out that there can be as many paths, yet all joined together by an unseen thread.
    But than came the super intelligent cosonovas from the refrigerators of earth, and a new defination… To dance at the rhythms of Disco beats is meditation but Kirtan is superstitious..

    Simply saying, To hug Amma is medittaion..to hug each other is Old Osho style.

  31. Kavita says:

    Lokesh . . l read your 1st comment . . and would like share in reference to your statement below . . lam very much aware of the scrutiny which will follow . . but will share (as tho lam bottered ) .. none the less

    ” It is hardly surprising that what happened to Osho happened the way it did. He fought the law and the law won and the ones who made the law told the world that he was a hot potatoe and if you help him you will be burned. No empty threat when delivered by the most powerful nation on earth.
    I think it is a mistake to read too much into this part of the story. Although it makes good headlines, and did, it really is on the surface and has little to do with all the good things that can be found by studying the life of Osho. ”

    Its not about winning / losing . . lam sure u know that ..
    anyway . . l would like to share . . an incident . . which l heard from Sw Jaspal Bharti . . 1 of Osho’s gaurds in Lao Tsu House . .

    on Osho’s 1st day in Poona . . after the so called fiasco . . the local police . . had a warrant for Osho . . and the gaurds / sanyassins . . tried to stop the police from entering Osho’s bedroom . . the police after entering . . his room handed the warrant to Osho . . & Osho just tore the warrant & said ‘ l KNOW ALL your LAWS ‘ . . looking straight into his eyes . . the police just left immediately . . after seeing Osho’s expression . .

    we ALL . . can make whatever we need to . .
    Bye Dearies . . :)

  32. prem martyn says:

    Today’s Poem
    by a true lover of Osho
    ___________

    osho at heathrow
    haunted one more night
    dreaming of
    neerav’s positions
    gave me quite a fright

    nightmares of king bongo
    with arunji his mate

    arching backs at sunrise
    got my ego staying up late

    Oh those chill pills they arent working
    and i cant mention the word clit
    images of lust-fuelled meditation
    result in just another fit

    so just take my questions to arunjijijuju
    bury them in the sand
    let me learn to love myself
    as he does
    using the power of just his hand
    …..

    ps threesomes anyone?

    and todays verb:

    to cuntify : to count the number of cunts in a commune.

  33. prem martyn says:

    sung to the tune of ediths piafs hit

    Je ne regrette rien

    dadadadada…..

    no,… no regrets
    no,…. i have no regrets

    i did.. shag
    i did… lick
    but i didnt
    turn into a prick

    no,…. no regrets
    no… i have no regrets

    i cant
    justify…..
    avoidify……
    coercify………..

    but i can cuntifyyyyyyyyyyyy

    no no regrets.. etc etc

  34. prem martyn says:

    kavita

    darling

    if its not about power

    then its about…
    time
    you declared your insane love for one of us

    or even all of us in a queue

    but please kavita
    show that you care
    (and photos of course for shantam to discuss)

  35. frank says:

    well kavita,that story in fact illustrates the whole culture clash of the ranch episode.
    you can do that sort of thing to the cops in india if you are a holy man,but not in the states..
    actually you dont even need to be holy…

    i remember in the 70s,i was at a state bank of india,cant remember which city,they wouldn`t give me my money,which i knew had arrived from a friend in “the west”…
    angry,i vaulted over the counter and barged into the secure area,in my dirty pyjama suit and bare feet…hahaha.
    i got away with it.
    i never tried that in citibank new york,however…

  36. prem martyn says:

    commune disasters or walking away from the mess you left behind…

    i guess its symbolic
    you know feeling all that love and trust and sharing and involvement more than normal people do..
    all that jumping up and down and wailing and paid group sessions…
    and when the shit hits the fan

    walking away… without even a phone call
    as if it never happened…

    thats true brother and sister hood isnt it ….full of enlightened love?
    couldnt have happened to any other sannyassins by any chance.. no of course it was all a dream…

    sannyassins getting what they can from other sannyassins….for the lowest common denominator not highest common multiple.. impossible…

  37. Kavita says:

    Well P M . . you will have tro add me as a friend to see the
    photo . .

    And Frank . . whole lot of things go on in the name of Law . . all around the world . . so cut the crap .. about America . .

    . . didnt l mention . .we can make whatever need to . . :)

  38. frank says:

    nepal may have been the birthplace of goatama buddha,but it has also been a feudal monarchy for centuries untill about five minutes ago.
    western educated nepalis with their degrees should not imagine that they can understand the history of the west because they have learnt expressions like
    “take,a chill pill dude”
    that is as dim as hippies who thought that they understood hinduism cos they smoked a chillum by the ganges at benaras.

    the idea of poiticians and priests being a conspiracy against the people,and people taking dirct action against that took place on a large scale as early as the 17th century with the ranters diggers creating communes etc in britain.

    also, the original meaning of the word “politician” is in fact,perjorative in the sense that sannyasins would use it.

    more recently,the ideas like :,they are repressing us because we speak the truth was staple fare of anarchists,hippies,yippies,black and white panthers before the sannyas movement came into being.
    osho was a continuum of that.he didn`t invent it.

  39. frank says:

    kavita,
    your last post does not make sense.
    are you another competitor for shantam for the relig-idiot of sn title?
    it would be an amazing and modern advance to have a woman in the position….
    especially an indian….

  40. Kavita says:

    Frank . . lam jus sharing . . out of NO CHOICE . . & I have never been in need of any position . . even though lam born in lndia . . l donot consider myself to be an Indian / any other nationality . . for that matter . . l will not ask u to believe . . what lam saying . . as l myself donot believe any in any thing / one . . :)

  41. Kavita says:

    as l myself donot believe in any thing / one . . :)

  42. frank says:

    you do not consider your self to be indian or any other nationality?
    you are just beginning to get the citizen of the universe hippie schtick….cool…

    hahaha reminds me(you will have to excuse my nostalgia,i dont have any grandchildren)..
    a friend of mine was on a saddhu trip living in a cave in the himalayas,he was german,,no passport no visa.
    the local chief of police came to his cave.
    where is your passport?
    the saddhu straightened up and spoke imperiously,pointing to the sky
    “shiva is my passport”
    unfortunately shiva was siding with the law that day.
    they deported him.
    i never saw him again….

  43. Kavita says:

    As for me . . l also live in my cave / room . . hee hee . . My passport has expired in 2003 . . l have a valid residents Visa for Germany . . though . .

    but lam here in Poona . . now . .

    l dont vote . . lam sick of all the formalities . .Ya l do have a Pancard . . which helps me . . to have a debit card . . l dont like credits . . hee . . hee . .hee . . :)

  44. Shantam says:

    Again thanks to Jeevan and contributors of her circulatory mail for this humour, which brings typical Neo sannyas feelings cultivated by Osho-

    *The Good, The Bad and The Ugly*

    1. Good: Your wife is pregnant.
    Bad: It’s triplets.
    Ugly: You had a vasectomy five years ago.

    2. Good: Your wife’s not talking to you.
    Bad: She wants a divorce.
    Ugly: She’s a lawyer.

    3. Good: Your son is finally maturing.
    Bad: He’s involved with the Woman next door.
    Ugly: So are you.

    4. Good: Your son studies a lot in his room..
    Bad: You find several porn movies hidden there.
    Ugly: You’re in them.
    >
    5. Good: Your hubby and you agree, no more kids.
    Bad: You can’t find your birth control pills.
    Ugly: Your 13 year old daughter borrowed them.

    6. Good: Your husband understands fashion.
    Bad: He’s a cross-dresser.
    Ugly: He looks better than you.

    7. Good: You give the “birds and bees” talk to your daughter.
    Bad: She keeps interrupting.
    Ugly: With corrections.

    8. Good: The postman’s early.
    Bad: He’s wearing fatigues and carrying a shotgun.
    Ugly: You gave him nothing for Christmas.

    9. Good: Your son is dating someone new.
    Bad: It’s another man.
    Ugly: He’s your best friend.

    10. Good: Your daughter got a new job.
    Bad: As a hooker.
    Ugly: Your coworkers are her best clients.
    Way ugly: She makes more money than you do.

  45. Kavita says:

    sharing this .. video of Jivan . . who lives in her Cave . . opposite me ..


    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

  46. Shantam says:

    After going through few sites about Avataras and godly incarnations, i was thinking also to find someone, i can believe is hell lot better, though this person may hate to be branded as one of such persons. As per Hindu terminolgy man can be easily said to be the Avatara of Lord Vishnu(the supplier of the universe)

    Person of my choice is not even from the spiritual business, yet everytime i read about him, a sense of relief touches my heart, one can see the Indian sun without the layers of dust…
    His name is-
    Mr. Ratan Tata

    http://ibnlive.in.com/news/tata-blows-whistle-minister-wanted-bribe-for-airlines/135062-7.html?from=tn

  47. prem martyn says:

    UK government to measure happiness

    http://www.gnhusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/David-Camerons-speech-2.pdf

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/8133025/Government-to-monitor-nations-happiness.html

    questions include..

    how many communes do you visit..

    what third eye or hug do you recommend

    how many veeresh quotes can you mention..

    how many sheep do you count at night

    which form of jumping do you recommend

  48. Satya Deva says:

    Can’t help recalling old Kipling’s “East is East and West is West – and ne’er the twain shall meet!”

    We of the West are conditioned so differently, by our culture, history etc. to you Easterners – notwithstanding how superficially ‘westernised’ you seem to wish to become, have become and are becoming…

    We’ve had our post-war ‘socio-sexual revolution’, for example, we’re used to affluence (even of the relative kind – our poorest are like royalty compared to India’s millions of impoverished), over here in the UK we’ve had a sense of being a power in the world for centuries…

    Whereas India, for example – and only minority segments of its people – is only just awaking to vaguely similar potentials…With also little apparent notion of how ‘the Dream’ can turn into a ‘Nightmare’…

    The East is beginning to ‘go West’ – How pathetically wonderful, how wonderfully pathetic it looks!

    My theory is that these Indians at the cusp of such a change desperately need a ‘Hero’, a ‘Philosopher-King’ to look up to, to guide them in Uncharted Waters’, to legitimise their now unbridled lust (for wealth, power, sex – all the usual stuff).

    Preferably Someone ‘Infallible’…With impeccable Spiritual Credentials…Seemingly ‘Omniscient’…

    Ideally, Someone now feted (in his, er, ‘absence’) by Very Important People…

    Someone to build a New Religion around…

    Understandable, very – given their particular context?

    But not, methinks, for such as us, in the sceptical, individualist West. We’re simply ‘not the same as you lot’…

    Besides, the Western post-war generation has, in a way, ‘seen it all’ – communes, the lot. We find it difficult to take this Eastern stuff seriously now.

  49. Satya Deva says:

    Hence, the overwhelming scorn for and satire at the expense of ‘Brian Rajneesh’ and the scepticism at the seemingly youthful ‘puppy-dog’-like enthusiasm of Neerav for his Nepal venture…

    It just all looks either more than a bit contrived (Rajneesh) or a bit ‘old hat’ to us, if not them ( Nepal)…

    And not only ‘old hat’, but reeking of possibilities of corruption (perhaps esp of the psych-sexual sort, highlighted by, eg, Prem Martyn).

    All this ‘taking sannyas’ hullabaloo – what a circus it seems from here! Smoke and mirrors is the phrase that comes to my mind….

  50. Satya Deva says:

    Sorry – above posts belong at the other current thread, have copied it there.

  51. Shunyam says:

    Satya Deva lam a German sanyazin and the British Monarchy is of German descent , this is for you and all the others to read ,right now lam in India for a short trip so lam in the internet cafe . Found this interesting clip , worth reading hope we western can learn somethings from this

    1. India is one of the few countries in the World, which gained independence without using violence.

    2. The greatest games of all, CHESS(Shataranja or AshtaPada) and PLAYING CARDS originated from India.

    3. The Art of Meditation and Yoga originated from India. Yoga has its origins in India and has existed for over 5,000 years.

    4. Martial Arts (karate and Judo) originated from India, not China.

    5. The World’s first University was established in Takshila, India, in 700BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century BC was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.

    6. India has never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history.

    7. Everything which was either discovered or invented by the Indians in India was cleverly denied authenticity and downplayed by those who came to rule India, the Arabs and the British.

    8. Sanskrit, the oldest language in the World, originated from India.

    9. The ancient Indian astronomers had tabulated the movement and positions of the sun, planets and the stars in space, long before Isaac Newton came up with the theory of gravity after the apple had fallen on his head.

    10. USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century old suspicion in the world scientific community that the pioneer of wireless communication was Prof. Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.

    11. Cleverly termed by the west as Arabic numerals simply because the Arabs brought the knowledge of India to the West after invading India. Hindsaa (numerals) in Arabic means from India.

    12. India was the most peaceful country on earth before the Arab invasion in the 8th Century.

    13. The art of Navigation was born in the river Sindh 6000 years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. The word navy is also derived from Sanskrit ‘Nou’.

    14. Bhaskaracharya calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. Time taken by earth to orbit the sun: (5th century) 365.258756484 days.

    15. Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. Charaka, the father of medicine consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago. Today Ayurveda is fast regaining its rightful place in our civilization.

    16. Budhayana first calculated the value of “pi”, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century long before the European mathematicians.

    17. Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted complicated surgeries like caesareans, cataract, artificial limbs, fractures, urinary stones and even plastic surgery and brain surgery. Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India. Over 125 surgical equipment were used. Deep knowledge of anatomy, physiology, aetiology, embryology, digestion, metabolism, genetics and immunity is also found in many texts.

    18. India is the largest Democracy in the World.

    19. The greatest knowledge on Love, the Kama Sutra is the work of India.

    20. India invented the Number system. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta.

    21. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software.

    22. Although western media portray modern images of India as poverty striken and underdeveloped through political corruption, India was once the richest empire on earth.

    23. Algebra, Trigonometry and Calculus also originated in India.Quadratic Equations were used by Sridharacharya in the 11th century. The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 10*53 (i.e. 10 to the power of 53) with specific names as early as 5000 B.C.during the Vedic period.Even today, the largest used number is Terra: 10*12(10 to the power of 12).

    24. According to the Gemmological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds to the world.

    25. When many cultures in the world were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in Sindhu Valley ( Indus Valley Civilisation).

    26. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC.

    27. Although modern images & descriptions of India often show poverty, India was one of the richest countries before British rule in India, i.e. during the early 17th Century. Christopher Columbus was attracted by India’s wealth and was looking for a route to India when he discovered America by mistake. India has fed the greed of almost every powerful nation or ruler (that/who looked upon it, during those times) and is poised to be at the top of the world in all aspects.

    28. Despite the global meltdown that impacted most emerging market economies, India’s GDP growth of 7.1 per cent for the current year would make the country the second-fastest growing economy of the world.

    29. India has the largest number of biomass gasifier systems in the world producing 656 mega watts (MW) of power.

    30. India was the first country to be accorded the status of a Pioneer Investor in 1987 and was allocated an exclusive area in the central Indian Ocean by the UN for exploration and utilisation of resources.

    31. Export of cars grew by 57 per cent in 2008-09 at 3.3 lakh units. Two-wheeler exports crossed the million-mark on a growth of 22.5 per cent in 2008-09.

    32. India has the maximum number of post offices in the world!

    33. India signed a ground breaking civil nuclear deal with US in 2008 thus facilitating fuel supply for its nuclear reactors. The deal offers potential for a paradigm shift in India’s global role. The importance of the deal does not lie merely in the transfer of nuclear energy. Its importance is psychological. It opens the door to a new era of trust and cooperation between India and the US.

    34. India has the largest number of news channel in the world. It is the fastest growing telecom market in the world and has the lowest call rates on earth.

    35. India is the 3rd largest producer of solar photovoltaic cells in the world producing 2.12 MW of power. India is the world’s 4th largest wind power user.

    36. India is the 9th largest solar thermal power generating country in terms of million units per sq. m. It will have 20 million solar lights installed by 2022 which will save 1 billion liters of kerosene every year.

    37. India has jumped five places to become the world’s 11th biggest exporter of commercial services in 2005, and inched one step ahead to the 29th rank among the largest merchandise exporters, according to the latest statistics by World Trade Organization.

    38. The Indian Software Industry has grown from a mere US $ 150 million in 1991-92 to a staggering US $ 5.7 billion in 1999-2000. No other Indian industry has performed so well against the global competition. India exports software to 90 countries.

    39. India is the world’s largest, oldest, continuous civilization.

    40. India has the second largest pool of Scientists and Engineers in the World.

    41. India is the second largest English speaking nation in the world.

    42. India is the only country other than the USA and Japan, to have built a super computer indigenous.

    43. GM of Hewlett Packard, Chief Executives of CitiBank, Mckinsey & Stanchart, founder and creator of Hotmail, creator of Pentium chip are all Indians.

    44. On 28 April 2008, a world record was set when India’s Polar rocket successfully placed ten satellites, including the country’s remote sensing satellite, into orbit in a single mission.

    45. India is the world’s second largest producer of small cars. It is the largest newspaper market in the world.

    46. World’s largest electronic ID program is underway in India.

    47. Bollywood with about 400 films every year is the largest centre of film production in the world.

    48. India is the largest producer of milk, cashew nuts, coconuts, tea, ginger, turmeric and black pepper, in the world. It also has the world’s largest cattle population (281 million). It is the second largest producer of wheat, rice, sugar, groundnut and inland fish.

    49. The National Rural Employment Guarantee Act or NREGA, an Indian job guarantee scheme, enacted by legislation on August 25, 2005 is the largest ever – public employment programme visualized in human history.

    50. The Mid-day Meal Scheme is the popular name for school meal programme in India, is the largest school lunch programme in the world, covering 12 million children.

    51. Board of Control for Cricket in India, or BCCI, is the apex governing body for cricket in India is the richest body in world cricket.

    52. The largest employer in the world is the Indian railway system, employing over a million people!

    53. Indians abroad

    * 38% of Doctors in America are Indians.
    * 12% of Scientists in America are Indians.
    * 36% of NASA employees are Indians.
    * 34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.
    * 28% of IBM employees are Indians.
    * 17% of Intel employees are Indians.
    * 13% of Xerox employees are Indians.

    54. Varanasi, also known as Benares, was called “the ancient city” when Lord Buddha visited it in 500 B.C.E, and is the oldest, continuously inhabited city in the world today.

    55. Jaipur(India) hosts the world’s widest concrete building. It has a reinforced concrete cement (RCC) flat roof with a single span of 119 feet.

    56. By volume of pills produced, the Indian pharmaceutical industry is the world’s second largest after China.

    57. ISRO has tested the third biggest solid rocket motot in the world after booster rocket of NASA’s space shuttle and Arianespace’s Ariane-5 launch vehicle.

    58. A mass singalong of 160,000 people in the Indian city of Hyderabad, in Andhra Pradesh, has broken a 72-year-old record for the world’s largest choir.

    59. India is the most attractive stock market in terms of asset allocation.

    60. Indian banks are among top 500 financial brands.

    61. India born steel czar Lakshmi Mittal and Reliance Industries chairman Mukesh Ambani figure in the forbes list of “World’s most powerful billionares” who wield staggering authority and influence far beyond their riches.

    62. The Indian media and entertainment business that grew 15 percent anually since 2006 into a $11.68 billion industry in 2008 is seen to toop $21 billion over the next five years.

    63. United Nations Industrial Development Organization found that India ranks among the top 12 producers of manufacturing value-added(MVA) .

    64. Indian American Prof. Praveen Jain of Queens University is heading the project to make CFL’s more efficient.

    65. The TATA group, State Bank of India and Infosys Technologies are among 17 Indian firms that figure among the top 50 in the list of the world’s 200 most-reputed companies.

    66. India’s contribution to scientific research and innovation has been constantly rising since 2000 according to a study. The number of articles published in global science journals by Indians has increased from around 17000 in 2001 to more than 27000 in 2007.

    67. India is to be the first international customer of the Boeing P-81 Poseidon variant of the P-8A Poseidon.

    68. Exports from SEZ’s in India have increased by over 25% in the 3 months ended June 2009:a very positive indicator.

    69. India has been ranked the second most-optimistic nation in the world in consumer confidence, according to a survey by global consultancy firm, Nielson.

    70. Indian origin 96-year old, Randall Butisingh, now a Florida resident is the world’s oldest blogger. He runs a popular blog http://randallbutisingh.wordpress.com/

    71. Pepsico, the $43-billion beverages and snacks company, had its annual global meet in India for the first time, in 2009.This was the second time this meeting was held outside US. Last time it was in Mexico.

    72. To ensure timely payment of wages to workers under the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act (NREGA), more than two crores worth of saving bank accounts have been opened in banks and post offices across the country. This is the largest number of bank accounts linked to a development programme across the globe.

    73. Volunteers in Dungarpur, India planted 600,000 trees in 24 hours under the guidance of Indian Forestry Service which is a world record.

    74. Reliance Group of Companies in India has the maximum number of shareholders in the world.

    75. State Bank of India has the maximum number of branches in the world.

    76. Dr M.C. Modi holds the world record for performing maximum eye operations @ 40 operations per hour.

    77. With 1,300.000 active personnel and 1,800,000 reserve ones, the Indian Army is the world’s second largest army in terms of military personnel, and the largest in terms of active manpower.

    78. The largest reflecting telescope of Asia is in Kavalur Observatory (India).It is an indigenously built 93 inch telescope.

    79. The economy of India is the twelfth largest economy in the world by nominal value and the fourth largest by purchasing power parity (PPP).It is the world’s second-fastest growing major economy.

    80. India has the second largest network of paved highways, after the U.S.

    81. Nearly 49% of the high-tech start-ups in silicon Valley and Washington, D.C. are owned by Indians or Indian-Americans.

    82. India sends more students to U.S. colleges than any country in the world. In 2004-2005, over 80,000 Indian students entered the U.S. China sent only 65,000 students during the same time.

    83. The four religions born in India, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism, are followed by 25% of the world’s population?

    84. Islam is India’s and the world’s second largest religion.

    85. Jews and Christians have lived continuously in India since 200 B.C.E and 52 A.D respectively.

    86. The Vishnu Temple in the city of Tirupathi built in the 10th century, is the world’s largest religious pilgrimage destination, larger than either Rome or Mecca, with an average of 30,000 visitors every day giving donations to the temple of $6 million (U.S.) daily.

    87. INDIA has been called Bharat even in Satya yuga ( Golden Age )

    88. The name `India’ is derived from the River Indus, the valleys around which were the home of the early settlers. The Aryan worshippers referred to the river Indus as the Sindhu.

    89. The Persian invaders converted it into Hindu. The name `Hindustan’ combines Sindhu and Hindu and thus refers to the land of the Hindus.

    90. The World’s First Granite Temple is the Brihadeswara temple at Tanjavur in Tamil Nadu. The shikhara is made from a single ‘ 80-tonne ‘ piece of granite. Also, this magnificient temple was built in just five years, (between 1004 AD and 1009 AD) during the reign of Rajaraja Chola.

    91. The game of snakes & ladders was created by the 13th century poet saint Gyandev. It was originally called ‘Mokshapat.’ The ladders in the game represented virtues and the snakes indicated vices. The game was played with cowrie shells and dices. Later through time, the game underwent several modifications but the meaning is the same i.e good deeds take us to heaven and evil to a cycle of re-births.

    92. The world’s highest cricket ground is in Chail, Himachal Pradesh.
    Built in 1893 after levelling a hilltop, this cricket pitch is 2444 meters above sea level.

    93. The Baily Bridge is the highest bridge in the world. It is located in the Ladakh valley between the Dras and Suru rivers in the Himalayan mountains. It was built by the Indian Army in August 1982.

    94. India provides safety for more than 300,000 refugees originally from Sri Lanka, Tibet, Bhutan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh, who escaped to flee religious and political persecution.

    95. Martial Arts was first created in India, and later spread to China in Shaolin Temple. The first Guru to teach Shaolin Kung Fu “BuddhaDharma” (Damo in Chinese) travelled China where he taught Buddhism and Martial Arts (yoga techniques) which today is known as Qi Gong and Shaolin Kung Fu (Shaolin Wu-Shu).

    96. The material to build the Taj Mahal was brought in from various parts of India by a fleet of 1000 elephants.

    97. India got its independence from Britain in 1947 after a long struggle led mostly by Mahatma Gandhi. In the process of becoming independent, India became, two countries instead of one. In the years since independence India has made huge progress and coped with great problems, and has developed its industry and its agriculture, and has maintained a system of government which makes it the largest democracy in the world.

    98. There are 300,000 active mosques in India, more than in any other country, including the Muslim world.

    99. Sikhism originated in the Holy city of Amritsar in Punjab. Famous for housing the Golden Temple, the city was founded in 1577.

    100. His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists, runs his government in exile from Dharmashala in northern India.

    101. The oldest European church and synagogue in India are in the city of Cochin. They were built in 1503 and 1568 respectively.

    102. The Kumbh Mela (or Grand Pitcher Festival) is a huge Hindu religious festival that takes place in India every 12 years. In 2001, 60 million people attended, breaking the record for the world’s biggest gathering. The mass of people was photographed from space by a satellite.

    103. Many Indians find toilet paper repellent and consider it cleaner to splash water with the left hand in the appropriate direction. Consequently, the left hand is considered unclean and is never used for eating.

    104. To avoid polluting the elements (fire, earth, water, air), followers of Zoroastrianism in India don’t bury their dead, but instead leave bodies in buildings called “Towers of Silence” for the vultures to pick clean. After the bones dry, they are swept into a central well.

  52. frank says:

    105.santa claus is indian…
    he comes from jullundur
    ranjit the red-nosed reindeer,also

  53. frank says:

    16s. mona lisa was indian.
    real name meena lhosa….

  54. prem martyn says:

    106

    ve von ze varr

    .. heello fritz

  55. prem martyn says:

    shantam..

    if you think that arun’s corner shop empire is worth gratitude then i hope doctor amrito keeps you busy for a very long time

    … you all deserve each other

    arun is a born again
    but
    he came back as an idiot
    it wont be the first one our wise master anointed…

  56. Shantam says:

    No doubt, the efforts of Arunji and his team are worth appreciating. To plant the branches of original idea and to make it grow..nothing can be better gratitude than this…

    Prem Martyn, I have taken my above paragraph again, where the word Gratitude is used…

    The Tapoban Porject is “their” gratitude, i am just the observer.
    I had invested my life happily at Pune..i am thankful for that and sorry for the reason, how a blue chip turns into a Penny share…
    Thanks to low emotional intelligence of the people who are specialised in rational thinking..

  57. frank says:

    shunyam:
    “i am a german sannyazin,and the british royal family is of german descent”

    priceless,absolutely priceless……

  58. frank says:

    that has got to be one of the best introductions ever….

  59. frank says:

    hello,shunyam…
    i am frank,an english sannyasin…
    i havent had such a good laugh since the bombing of dresden…..
    fancy a date..?

  60. prem martyn says:

    maybe he’s a sanynazi…

    according to his spelling of ze name

    heil osho
    links rechts links
    und now make viz ze relax or u vill be for ze high yump

  61. Satya Deva says:

    Shunyam, while you’re there – what exactly was the point of that Osho talk you directed me to the other day, please?

    You know, the one you sent me the link for – seemingly inspired by my musings on ‘greed, lust’ etc. and the ‘enlightened state of being’.

  62. bob says:

    oh man, so much material for a dyed in the wool western sceptic/cynic individualist to take aim at here…
    so many targets, so little time…..
    …and miles to go before i sleep…oy vey…!

  63. bob says:

    to take on the whole block of 104 Points for Indian Nationalistic Superiority at once…i will only hint at a word…it begins with a “C” and ends with an “A”, and…

    it is not “Clarissa”, or “Corona”.

    Elton John sings…

    “Ch, ch, ch, chin.. ges…..”

    almost got it right there johnny boy….

  64. prem martyn says:

    A word on the Nepalese Amoeba which is very aggressive. In recent decades it has become common for climbers and hill walkers to visit Nepal where this parasite is found in streams and other water sources. Trekking through streams may allow the amoeba to be picked up on the soles of your boots. As travellers don’t always clean their boots after each walk, Nepalese Amoeba are inadvertently carried back on the homeward journeys and are now being found in such places as the Alps, the Pennines and the Rockies.

    just google nepali amoeba

    so….
    enjoy meditating

  65. bob says:

    76. Dr M.C. Modi holds the world record for performing maximum eye operations @ 40 operations per hour.

    yeah i remember him….M.C. “Mucho Moolah” Modi.
    i think there’s a class-action lawsuit pending against him with about 32,000 co-signees on it…though they couldn’t see well enough to write their signatures after their drive-thru eye operations…lot of “X’s” on that court document…

  66. bob says:

    78. The largest reflecting telescope of Asia is in Kavalur Observatory (India).It is an indigenously built 93 inch telescope.

    reflecting telescopes went out of date with the steam engine 100 years ago. no one but kids, poor science students, and third world countries use them anymore.

  67. bob says:

    39. India is the world’s largest, oldest, continuous civilization.

    I’ll let the Chinese take this claim on.

  68. bob says:

    8. Sanskrit, the oldest language in the World, originated from India.

    You can battle this one out with the Chinese too.

  69. bob says:

    18. India is the largest Democracy in the World.

    “democracy” is usually accurately defined as an aggregate of numerous feudal clan based mafias that give the gullible masses voting rights to make them think they have some control over their lives.

  70. frank says:

    ” indian people find toilet paper repellant”
    that`s a useful tip,actually.
    when you nect go to india and you are being subjected to unwanted attention,like some fanatical disciple is trying to convince you about how important his guru is,just pull ot a few sheets of toilet paper wave it at him and watch him scarper….

  71. bob says:

    100. His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists, runs his government in exile from Dharmashala in northern India.

    and Napoleon ran his “government in exile” of France from his prison island bungalow, Chiang Kai- Shek “ran China” from the island of Taiwan, and Col. Manuel Noreiga runs Panama from his isolation lock-up in Miami…sure.

  72. bob says:

    maybe it wasn’t Elton John that sang that song “Ch, ch, ch, changes…” that other British guy with ambiguous sexuality, what was his name..?? can’t remember…

    back to the targets…

    77. With 1,300.000 active personnel and 1,800,000 reserve ones, the Indian Army is the world’s second largest army in terms of military personnel, and the largest in terms of active manpower.

    why would such a peaceful nation of people need such a large army? never invaded anyone, so it’s said, …and who wants to invade India? The British just walked away 60 years ago without looking back, and with no regrets either, i would assume.

  73. bob says:

    more…

    52. The largest employer in the world is the Indian railway system, employing over a million people!

    absolute bunk.
    The Chinese government is largest employer in the world. Every Chinese person in the PRC works for them. All 1.3 billion of them.

  74. bob says:

    21. According to the Forbes magazine, Sanskrit is the most suitable language for computer software.

    but Forbes magazine is not written by computer software experts…actually started by a closet homosexual Malcolm Forbes to advertise the glory of western capitalism. would you source Mad magazine as an authority on what’s most suitable for surgical medical equipment?

  75. bob says:

    85. Jews and Christians have lived continuously in India since 200 B.C.E and 52 A.D respectively

    so what?

  76. prem bubbie says:

    Shunyam- you must have gotten your facts and figures from Shantam. “38% of doctors in America are Indian”… in your dreams!!!! Did you pull that figure along with the others, out of your ass, along with the ace of spades during your weekly poker game with the boys? There’s always a time to fold, when bluffing doesn’t work anymore and now is the time.

  77. prem bubbie says:

    And I thought Shantam was obsessed with facts and figures…. is this really Shunyam posting or just Shantam cloaked as another mad man.

  78. prem bubbie says:

    Shunyam: so fucking what… India is NOW a shit hole, with an uncontrollable population explosion…nothing more needed to be said…. How do you like them apples?

  79. prem martyn says:

    if you cant drink the water….without getting sick for life….

    what a shit hole… India

    enuff said…

  80. bob says:

    ok, back to the main article then…

    Parmartha, although your letter to the Home Office re Osho’s admittance into the UK back on the World Tour journey is highly noble in intention, and commendable as an example of practical devotion-in-action, did Osho ever really want to stay in England? I mean, as far i can glean from the published articles on that event, all Osho and his band of traveling gypsies wanted to do was to refuel their jet, get the pilot some legally mandated sleep time, and maybe have a few biscuits and tea, before continuing on.

    I have never heard anywhere that he wanted to set-up in the UK for any extended period of time, either as a caravanserai spot, a new commune, or just for some sightseeing in Picadilly Circus.

    He just wanted a hotel room for a few days, according to his recounting of this day in his discourses, to rest comfortably, but the airport authorities refused to let him out of the airport terminal, and made him sleep in the holding room for questionble travellers, whose immigration papers were not in order to leave the airport facilities.

    Anyone have any more on Osho wanting to stay in England for more than a bed and breakfast?

  81. prem bubbie says:

    #103- unclean for eating but clean for wanking, money handling, picking one’s teeth, shaving, douching, cum catching, hair combing, beer drinking, nose picking, laundry folding, phone answering, eyeglass wiping, cake baking, ice cream cone holding, door opening, ballroom dancing, hug giving, money begging, nose blowing, popcorn eating, and lastly- gratuity stealing from the local tourist restaurant.

  82. Shantam says:

    “India is NOW a shit hole, with an uncontrollable population explosion…”
    That is why few good hearted westerns are making babies on their hands or in the plastic and therefore thanklessly killing their race and making space for dirty races to invade..
    Bubbies of the world will always remain bubbies, Nukkies in their brain yet screaming on every parental figure.

  83. bob says:

    spelling correction:

    Piccadilly Circus

    named after a British man, Robert Baker, who sold “piccadills”, stiff fashionable collars, lacey, circa 1600, in the area, and made “a fortune” doing so, so says the wiki.

    a fortune, selling piccadills?!

    amazing.

  84. bob says:

    in the states, to get a circus named after you, like Ringling Bros., or Barnum & Bailey, you would have to come up with something that would wow the crowd a lot more than a pile of starched embroidered collars.

    more like ….

    Bengal tigers jumping through flaming rings, massive elephants doing unbelievable tricks, the great Wallendra family of high flying trapeze artists dazzling the audience with daring and death-defying routines, clowns, young women in sequinced leotards, music, drums and trumpets, hot-pink cotton candy, and caramel coated apples on a stick, canons blasting people out of their nozzles. one, two, three rings going at once…the circus master weaving all the sights, sounds, and smells together for the awed spectators…

    that was a SHOW to be experienced!!

    now, it’s
    send your money into the Save the Dolphins fund, online credit cards accepted,
    get wired to your iPhone at all times when you leave your house,
    and watch some aging Osho sannyasins on YouTube give dry-as-cardboard satsangs to a small room full of other aging sannyasins who have nothing better to do in their post-Osho aging years….

    ah, the pathos of it all….
    the audacity of despair….

  85. prem bubbie says:

    Can anyone translate Shantam’s gibberish? Say what, Shantam? Me no comprendo el gibberisho that you speako. Maybe Neerav can help…

  86. prem martyn says:

    its nice to
    be blue eyed

    you get songs sung to you


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  87. prem martyn says:

    im just being elliptical

    as i couldnt find somgs about heathrow

    or refused visas

  88. Chinmaya says:

    Shit whole of India is fully surrounded in your mind, that is why you are interested to talk on India but what about shit whole of west, all the time, in the whole, around the whole, and want to go in the whole but feel happy up-till arm or one whole for fhree or four at a time. Yes, population is too much, come on write back the solution on humantarian grounds.

  89. anugrah says:

    Love and Gratitude for beautiful Beloved Jivan Mary. She left her body just past midnight this morning (NZ time) She was bright and alert at the time

  90. Chinmaya says:

    #103- unclean for eating but clean for wanking, money handling, picking one’s teeth, shaving, douching, cum catching, hair combing, beer drinking, nose picking, laundry folding, phone answering, eyeglass wiping, cake baking, ice cream cone holding, door opening, ballroom dancing, hug giving, money begging, nose blowing, popcorn eating, and lastly- gratuity stealing from the local tourist restaurant.

    This all is given by English people to Indians, while ruling with treacherous manner, cunnin-ness, cleverness and with mean mentality, for more than 100 years and now, they want to learn the Meditation, Yoga, Prayer from India by wandering various parts/centres of India. Gutter Race of English is over, curious to inner knowledge race of English is in.

  91. Chinmaya says:

    What about the English, European and American ladies, lying naked, with drug and no sense, on the roads, outside the Pubs/ Clubs/ Bars in the early morning hours on Fridays/ Saturdays/ Sundays morning. Good show pieces.

  92. Shantam says:

    Bhagwan, secretary and body guard, aftre watching this well researched documentary, my first thought was, may be oneday some one makes the sequal-
    Osho, Physcian and a Dentist.
    These were the people making Osho addicted to Valium and other subtances, the reason behind one after another false moves in the gameplan…
    Few Co villans are always hidden.

  93. prem martyn says:

    Hey we got a poona 1 type therapy group happening…this is great….
    abuse insults racism lies half truths superiority war victims and oppression…

    i wonder if arun could handle all that sitting on his high chair,,,,

    or would he just twiddle his mala

    congratulations to everyone for early morning dynamic….

    due to a recurring outbreak of ebv or cmv viruses all contracted by sexual contact i am convalescing and suffer insomnia… truth is up to 90 percent of us carry the same viruses…

    so chanting without sex is the only cure

    maybe arun is right in eating your way to god…and then sitting in joy with slippers on…

  94. Shantam says:

    Prem Martyn,
    I think you have not watched the movie, Guru-Bhagwan…
    Please, do watch. I am curious what will come out from that Nostalgic journey.
    Atleast, a thankfullness that you were not in Bora Bora with Bin Laden, another Chrishmatic leader from a hardcore meat eater community.

    Our Osho..the pure vegetarian has His own ways.

  95. Shunyam says:

    Locky boy . . since u not around . .

    so jus movin it . . :)


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  96. Shantam says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1330169/Kate-Middleton-Prince-William-engaged-Royal-romance-captivated-nation.html

    Royal romance, royal maarige, royal divorce,royal children, generation after generation…Royality comes first, God and Jesus may be in the bottem of laundry basket.
    Eastern masters..they don´t get place in the basket, one can squeeze all of them in a plastic bag…

    I wonder how soul can breath in such atmoshpahre…

  97. Lokesh says:

    Yes, Shatam, duty calls. I’m fullfilling my role as good householder by doing a wee bit of construction.

    My wife is in Berlin just now. The other night she went to see ‘Guru’ with a friend.
    She said, ‘The cinema only had sicty seats.’
    I asked, ‘Was it full?
    ‘No,’ she replies, ‘We were the only people in the place.’
    Did you enjoy the movie?’ I enquired.
    Yeah…well, kind of,’ she answered, ‘nice to see some footage of the old days, but it really is history now. I wouldn’t trust Sheela as far as I could throw her.’

    Back to work. I miss you too, Shantam.

  98. prem martyn says:

    shantam if i watch the movie guru.. the money will go to sheela…

    now why would i want to do that ?

  99. Shantam says:

    Since this movie has been released, i was reluctant to go, thinking why i pay the money for Secretary and the body guard, but finally the thought prevailed, ” let me go and watch “our life”, with a distance, with a smile; may be it will help the collective sannyas wounds in me.
    And also…for the sake of TRUTH, it is better to watch the propaganda from all sides..

    If the blind devotion to one`s “guru” is a way to salvation, about 99.9% Muslims, 85.95 % Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and 65-75 %Christians will definately achieve Nirvana, the Final Liberation..

    There Gurus are scratch free, i am happy with my master who is a Human too..

    I was surprised to see, more than 20 people in the Kino, whereas for arty and documentaries sometime there are two three people only..

    In the movie..i missed my pen. Few sentences are worth to discuss.

    from the expressions of Scottish Hugh Milne, i was trying to figure out the mind set of Lokesh too, after all our collective mind also dictates our individual thought process.

    Similarly, in the collective sannyas mind, one trait has taken roots-Not to feel guilty, not to feel remorse.
    As if Osho and his meditation techniques will work as Vanish” strain remover.
    If Osho movement has just gone confined to the file sharing at Facebook, and has lost touch with the day to day human transactions, this false bravado, this humility less attitude is much to blame..

    WITH PRIDE COMES THE FALL–
    Will the laws of life will make a distinction between a master or a disciple is a question worth to meditate..Do the Tao of life bent the Dharma for someone special; is the existance being ruled by some Indie, Paki bürocrate??

    Thanks to the audio visual technology if the wisdom of the masters can be recorded, same is about their human folly too..
    Still to love and shower devotion on the master is quite a challenge, through Osho all the frozen and unnatural ideas about spirituality are any way evaporated..

    I have always thought, there must be many out of the stage characters too, who were misleading Osho in His decision making process. She may be the biggest culprit but she cannot be the only one.
    How is possible, when many rich and influential disciples wanted to be part of Osho´s dream team, there was no jealousy towards Sheela, that there was no attempt to undermine her position.

    Hugh Milne and Sheela may be the traitors in the eyes of collective sannyas Psychic, but truth can have few other shades too, and as the Osho movement is showing its teeth till now…control, deception, intrigue and blatant use of power to acquire love and sex is still visible.

    No wonder..world at large..don´t trust Sannyas..Yes..Osho´s books are good..so what..

    Sannyas movement is not on the track because the silent players of last 25, 30 years are still holding the strings..and they can survive few decades more as they will never take that much Valium and other substances, what they were feeding to BHAGWAN; osho.

    One of the most interesting start up, which was destined to change the ways of religiosity has lost its power… Sheela is too small a puppy to destroy all single hand idly.

  100. Lokesh says:

    Shantam says, from the expressions of Scottish Hugh Milne, i was trying to figure out the mind set of Lokesh too, after all our collective mind also dictates our individual thought process.

    Tea break. What you have to understand is that I was born up in the north of Scotland, but grew up in Glasgow. Hugh didn’t. Glaswegians are special. Ever heard of a Glasgow kiss? Once you’ve been kissed that way it is an experience you will never forget.
    I knew Shiva in Poona One to say ‘Hi’, not so many Scots on the ground etc. Like most of my other Scottish sanyassin friends of the time, I saw Shiva as a guy who had his head stuck right up his arse. Poor guy was getting so much totie it went to his head. One on one he was okay, a bit of a snob, but that ain’t the crime of the century.
    I don’t see him as a traitor. I think what he wrote in his book was how he saw things at the time, a bit bitter. Teacher’s pet reject syndrome.
    After watching ‘Guru’ I came away thinking Hugh was really alright. In fact, I am sure I would enjoy a chat with the man. He is intelligent and has his feet on the ground and I dig that. He does look a bit haunted, though. But then again we all have a few ghosts in the cupboard, I suppose.

  101. prem martyn says:

    …yes and i think he originated the term ‘ break a leg’..

  102. prem martyn says:

    hi shantam, nice to see you singing some songs which we can all share….8in england we say singing from the same hymn sheet.. if you pardon the expression)

    the stuff about being a mortal with an immortal,message is easy for those of us who arent looking to be glaringly special..
    but if you / I want the Guru to be extra special.(and thus you / I for choosing him)..then you are really fugged..

    if (if ????) Oshos ‘project’ went arse upwards because of his or others intrigue that doesnt lessen OUR expansion under the influence of his games and more subtle yet profound energy…

    i call it expansion… as i really have no sense of my closeness to anything advaitesque about his message..
    for me its about love

    and you can be totally fucked over by someone and still adore them…

    so why not osho?’

    and imagine that he didnt exist as an historically conditioned, nature limited person, i wonder if he could care less (in our mortal human sense) about consequences or people being for or against him.. so our own recriminations against sheela are purely local… and represent who you or i would like to admire or have tea with….they are not necessarily obstacles to realising anything or helping u understand either…

    the thing that really got my lcd screen flashing here was that you recognised that remorseless tone of
    no regrets
    or apologies
    as being systematically deficient of sannyassins

    well in my understanding even though osho was a fine example and model of not being someone who could apologise…( he didnt have to…
    he was a walking apology if you ever imagined to feel his compassion)

    however what others will have used for their own advantage, was the apparent superiority that refused to offer remorse..or regret
    and in mortal humans that makes people very ugly
    no matter how much therapy they do
    or because of it
    it makes them rock hard…

    well done for spotting that…
    its the self humourless part of sannyas which stinks… and always will… ask any centre leader or therapist…what its like to stink…

    ttfn.. ta ta for now
    i have to fill out my conservative governments happiness indicator now or the new general well being index that asks me how happy i am….
    see david cameron on gwb… what should i tell him about NEPAL and how everybody is so happy there despite recurring amoebiasis eh?

  103. prem martyn says:

    apologies as always for the typos—

    ” ( in england we say…

    ..” the stuff about being a mortal with an immortal message

  104. Shantam says:

    What so ever and how many blunders must have taken place during rajneeshpuram phase, Osho´s contribution to move human heart and spirit is not easily surpass able at least during the contemporary time frame.
    Pune 2 phase was the most refined phase of His work. Excesses of earlier times were put aside, stress was more on meditation yet LOVE was in the air too, like a warm sunny breeze, India is so famous about.
    East and west were coming closer.
    Osho´s leaving the body did not dent the spirit. Sannyasins took the whole thing in a mature and responsible way.
    “OUR” feeling can make wonders…it nourishes the emotional aspect of our being and creates generosity of the heart.
    Meditation atmosphere is still intact..it is even cleaner and refiner, But love is not in the air..Seems like Indian sun has been replaced by the UK sun. Even when sun shines, it has no warmth. People simply don´t feel nourished…

    I think this is the biggest let down of Osho. No adversaries, no hostile regimes…but still we as a group have become like a football, which is waiting for the air to be pumped.
    Few are still not willing to see the low air in the ball, they are trying to dribble or kick with the head and show the grin…

    Somehow a need for Glasgow Kiss!!!

  105. prem bubbie says:

    “99.9% Muslims, 85.95% Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, and 65-75% Christians…” Shantam, get a grip of yourself… leave your job, as a statistician at work…. you’re now amongst friends here…. chill bro.

  106. prem martyn says:

    Hello all
    Here is a letter that you can use to send to a government instituition…the Icelandic one..
    its a fine way of letting the world know you care…
    you can send to Iceland embassies and parliamentary officials etc

    ( and guess who wrote it…

    :)

    Elected representatives of Iceland and your Highness the Ambassador and Your Majesty The prime Minister of Iceland…

    My name is Tor Torvsson. I live in Ostbonger in south Iceland.
    My problem is this. Here the nights are long and dark and me and my fishing friends have very big appetites.
    Unfortunately our wives are quite ugly ,so we have to spend the nights drinking and filling our bellies. We tell stories to each other over camp fires about our bravery,and the storms at sea .But nothing takes our minds off the fact that we have very ugly wives at home ..in fact some of the ugliest women in the world my friend Ingvarg said ,but he hasn’t travelled the world,so factually he is wrong though I understand his opinion. My problem is that we are putting on weight these days ..we were once quite slim ,but since we eat so much whale meat we have become very very fat. Ingvarg says his sweat attracts all the dogs of the village ,and we ask him not to disrespect his wife like that because she too is a good Lutheran protestant like he is. Yes we eat too much whale meat far too much,much too much..but it takes our minds off our ugly wives. Freud would say it helps us to become repressed, sexually repressed. In turn this makes us more angry ,so as you see actually our ugly wives make us angry in a long~winded kind of way
    So what ,you may say what has this to do with the prime minister of Iceland.
    Eating whale meat and being sexually repressed is a tradition ,and we tell all non Lutheran nations that we believe in Traditions ..proud Viking Traditions. Except the Vikings preferred to rape pretty women in other countries and today Icelandic fishermen are not allowed to do this,this is a tradition that we are not allowed to follow. Ingvarg says this is a shame ….but we remind him he is a good Lutheran not a Viking.What we think is that as happy traditional Icelandic fishermen,instead of repressed Vikings,we must eat more whale meat…I think most psychologists would agree that taking away good Viking sex and replacing it with ugly wives and whales is not a perfect solution so we think the Prime Minister of Iceland should help.
    Our request is this:
    Can we please please please have a bigger frying pan ….let me explain…We love (especially Ingavarg he loves it), we love to eat Whale Tail…and as you can understand we only have a small frying pan and the whale’s tail is far too big. Far far too big. Ingvarg is a terrible cook….
    Okay as a compromise if you cannot send us a bigger frying pan ….about 4 metres wide made of good Norwegian steel,,try buying one at LIDL (they have good offers on fisherman’s ear muffs too.)
    Okay instead of the frying pan please send us some Tofu. We know that it looks the same as whale blubber and it has the same consistency..a bit rubbery and, like whale meat needs onions and salt. Luckily, Ingvarg was harpooning some Tofu in the bath yesterday and he says that if u spear Tofu with a fork it sinks to the bottom of the bath….very similar to harpooning a whale…they usually sink to the bottom of the sea.
    So please send us some Tofu ….this means Ingvarg will be happy and we can eat as much as we like without getting fat.
    And once we have lost weight, some of us will become more attractive to younger women.Then we can divorce our wives in the traditional Viking manner by throwing them over the boat into a cold Icy Icelandic sea ~we love traditions!(okay that is a joke really ,har#har).
    More Tofu
    no whale meat
    Prettier wives
    less alcohol
    slimmer fishermen
    and Vikings
    Ingvarg always does hate cooking the whale’s penis….and often he would choke when trying to swallow it. So please help him ,by sending us Tofu.
    to ;
    The Ostvost Fishermens collective
    Backdoor Lutheran Church Hall
    (Near the Ostvost Sexual Utlities and Whale~products shop)
    Ostvost
    Iceland

    yours

  107. anugrah says:

    Shantam, I just saw small clip of vedio on facebook from channel star news.
    named Osho vidrohi
    I am glad that indian media is showing some respect to osho now.
    it would have been far better if they did showed respect for osho 25 years ago while those events happened..
    .indian and world Media is harmed more than it has helped to osho during his life time and stillll…………..but this step from star news is and this vedio supporting osho from star news is truely welcome and worth appriciating…….

  108. Neerav says:

    Anugrah, I saw the video. It was an hour long show about Osho’s life and work and him as a rebellion. The documentary was made by reporters of Star News and was broadcast all over the world on 18th Jan, a day before his Mahaparinirvana day on 19th Jan. For the first time a major News channel in India not only showed tremendous respect to Osho but also talked about how Osho was brutally murdered by the American Government. I m not sure but maybe Osho Dham in Delhi may have the video. Here is the link to part 1 of the film on you tube…the up loader says that he would upload more soon.

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  109. Shantam says:

    Anarchists like Prem Martyn living in Monarchy–
    To me it seems like..Homeless people getting residence status at Rajneeshpuram, were they fitting psychologically?

    What do you think Martyn, how long monarchy will stay in UK and how long her Majesty´s representative will rule the city state at 17, KP, Pune India.

  110. Lokesh says:

    Anugrah, your last comment is significant, but not in the way you imagine. The fact that Osho is now being paid lip service by the media is simply an indication that he is being accepted into the status quo because he no longer poses a threat.
    I seem to recall him saying that once he was dead all the people who were afraid to approach him while alive will begin to come out of the woodwork. Not all of his predictions came true but that one certainly did.

  111. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, your view that, quote: Pune 2 phase was the most refined phase of His work…probaly more to do with your subjectivity than anything objective. It is, in other words, simply your opinion. Yet you speak as if it is an assured fact, which it is not.
    I find your nostalgia for how things once were or might have been to be very unhealthy, especially taking into consideration that you are supposed to be coming from a spiritual footing where reality is always defined by what is happening now. Your trip is a mind trip, because you are often talking about the past or hypothesizing about how things might be in a better future. My suggestion is to try and live more for today. By doing this you will be relieved of past and future burdens and experience freedom without certain forms having to be manifested for that to happen in your imagination.

  112. Shantam says:

    OSHO and INDIA

    First of all, about this video, Osho the Rebel on Star TV, one of the prime channels.
    To commorate 25 years of Osho´s departure from rajneeshpuram, the fitting tribute.

    Who are the people behind this effort. Who provided the footage, who are on the interview??
    The official spokespersons of Osho Resort, the legitimate owners of Osho´s vision..
    NO..

    The break away group, mostly of those disciples who have clean image and have been with Osho from the time Sannyas took birth.

    As i understand Osho, love and rebelliousness is not a continuity, it is like river and not the frozen ice cubes.

    When Osho is a rebel..His people must be rebels too.
    Osho spoke and paid the price to hell and people want to speak but are afraid, ” Entry will be banned in the resort..
    How the offsprings of horse can be donkeys.

    Some gymnastic for the soul is needed.

  113. Shantam says:

    Pune 2 phase was the most refined phase of His work…probaly more to do with your subjectivity than anything objective. It is, in other words, simply your opinion. Yet you speak as if it is an assured fact, which it is not.

    Lokesh, please do some interviews with the people who have seen the Whole Osho movement; whether Indian or Europian.

    It is nothing to do with me, this much distance i have learnt to see the things from a objective point including very personal loses and gains in life..

    Sometime life hurts more when one loses a loving spouse rather than the freedom of a country.

    Secondly..i think even the animals learn from their mistakes, we human beings may not be that efficient in this matter but Man like Osho,, it is impossible to imagine, he will learn..

    So the Pune 2 phase, the final show case window..does not have those excesses which were the cause of resentment in the surroundings.
    The best of the Indian artists and intellectuals were feeling priveleged to perform there, and talk about Osho experience all around the country.
    Do you know..Lokesh, many reprints of the books at that time has the preface written by some of the top literary giants of India.

    That purified phase was the final product…Osho did not leave any chance for further improvement in His picture, in His poetry, in His creation…

    What is being sold now..is a mind mix of arche type wetsern mind. And the beauty is even the western seekers are not accepting it.
    It is like Blair and Bush may have the power but no public support.
    and thanks to democracy, concerned people could show them the door.

  114. Shantam says:

    Secondly..i think even the animals learn from their mistakes, we human beings may not be that efficient in this matter but Man like Osho,, it is impossible to imagine, he will ` NOT` learn..

  115. Shantam says:

    INDIA PAYING THE LIP SERVICE-
    in the life of nations and organisations, Institutions and people who are institutions in themselves, mere lip service from equally important persons and nations play very significant role.

    Let me make it clear with an example.
    Osho´s book was inaugurated by the Prime Minsiter of India, Dr. Manmohan Singh. Photos of that event are in the achieves. The PR team in Delhi facilitated that event.
    Can someone imagine, UK or Canadian PM or Deputy PM holds Osho´s book in hand before the glaring photo cameras.
    it does not take more than 20 seconds for such a lip service gesture. Fortunately these leaders are young and liberal.

    STILL no harm to imagine the outcome.

    (The chairman and vice chairman of Osho foundation International are from Canada and UK, so are thousands of other sannyasins.and these people are much more than average in their income and education.)

  116. prem martyn says:

    that conversation
    from our very own prince charles… i
    enjoy
    now thats what i call a western democratic monarchy….

    >

    Camilla: It’s like that programme Start the Week. I can’t start the week without you.

    Charles: I fill up your tank!

    Camilla: Yes, you do

    Charles: Then you can cope.

    Camilla: Then I’m all right

    Charles: What about me? The trouble is I need you several times a week.

    Camilla: Mmmm, so do I. I need you all the week. All the time.

    Charles: Oh. God. I’ll just live inside your trousers or something. It would be much easier!

    Camilla: (laughing) “what are you going to turn into, a pair of knickers?

    Both laugh

    Camilla: Oh, You’re your’e going to come back as a pair of knickers.

    Charles: Or, God forbid a Tampax. Just my luck! (Laughs)

    Camilla: You are a complete idiot (Laughs) Oh, what a wonderful idea.

    Charles: My luck to be chucked down the lavatory and go on and on forever swirling round on the top, never going down.

    Camilla: (Laughing) Oh, Darling!

    Charles: Until the next one comes through.

    Camilla: Oh, perhaps you could come back as a box.

    Charles: What sort of box?

    Camilla: A box of Tampax, so you could just keep going.

    Charles: That’s true.

    Camilla: Repeating yourself…(Laughing) Oh, darling I just want you now.

    Charles: Do You?

    Camilla: Mmmmm

    Charles: So do I!

    Camilla: Desperately, desperately. Oh, I thought of you so much at Yaraby.

    Charles: Did you?

  117. prem martyn says:

    And now for those dangerous leaked tapes of the Indian Prime Minister…released by The Bangalore Daily

    Manmohan Singh’s recorded phone calls
    >

    Prime MInister :Hello Mrs Singh

    Mrs Singh : Hello Prime Minister

    PM : I am having lunch with some very important people

    Mrs S: You are a very important person.

    PM:Of course I am that is why you are married to me. By the way Ive got your tiffin in case I get peckish Mrs Singh.

    Mrs S: Ah yes that is being very necessary, the tiffin.Who is the very important person, may i ask Mr Singh?

    PM: Its a Mr Keerti Book Wallah… you know next to the tea shop thats why I’m going , he promised me some tea and crumpets.

    Mrs S: Oh yes , tea is being very pleasant with the crumpets. Will you eat your tiffin later?

    PM: Oh I was thinking that I am having the tiffin in the car on the way to the book wallah.

    Mrs S: Can’t you just have the tiffin and tea and forget about the book wallah. After all you must be very tired after being away for so long from home.

    PM: Its been a long ten minutes since i left the front door I am telling you and I am already getting the peckishes.

    Mrs : Sorry the mobile signal is cracking up..remember I put some biscuits in your briefcase in case you get hungry after shaking hands, and one or two samosas…

    PM: About 12 samosas actually, still the bookshop wallah wants me to do some smiling for the cameras, you know about that whats his name Bagwash..

    Mrs S: Oh HIM.. I thought he was dead.

    PM: Exactly thats why I can smile.. Okay dearest, you are really cracked up now.. time for me to go.

    Mrs S:And dont spit the pan out it ruins your shirts, and by the way.. have you taken some chevda with you… check your pockets .. crackkle whirr plifff .. brrrrrrrrrrr

  118. Satya Deva says:

    Lokesh:

    Shantam, your view that, quote: Pune 2 phase was the most refined phase of His work…probaly more to do with your subjectivity than anything objective. It is, in other words, simply your opinion. Yet you speak as if it is an assured fact, which it is not.
    I find your nostalgia for how things once were or might have been to be very unhealthy, especially taking into consideration that you are supposed to be coming from a spiritual footing where reality is always defined by what is happening now. Your trip is a mind trip, because you are often talking about the past or hypothesizing about how things might be in a better future. My suggestion is to try and live more for today. By doing this you will be relieved of past and future burdens and experience freedom without certain forms having to be manifested for that to happen in your imagination.

    SD:
    Right on, Lokesh, my sediments entirely!

    You, Shantam, are still too much ‘the Lawyer’, too much the ‘Current Affairs/Social Commentator’, too much, even, the ‘would-be Politician’.

    One wonders why you still bother to think of yourself as a ‘sannyasin’…

  119. Satya Deva says:

    THAT is what I’d call ‘The Degeneration of Sannyas’, not whether a single ashram is functioning how you would prefer it to be…

    Again, I suggest, Shantam, you simply ‘Wake Up!’

  120. Satya Deva says:

    Prem Martyn, Frank, Lokesh:

    Have you ever considered publishing a satirical magazine or something similar?

    The Wonderful World of the, er, ‘New Age’, – ‘spirituality’ a prime source (!), of course – provides rich pickings, I reckon…

    And Punam is an excellent cartoonist/illustrator…

    Just a thought….

  121. prem martyn says:

    lucky we have a dead guru to follow… and the book of the film of the video of the memory of the discussion of the legacy

    lucky we havent got cancer…

    or poverty

    or cruelty

    to deal with

    you’d need a guru to help you if you had those problems

    like a cure for the worlds ills…
    is

    having smiling photos taken at impressive book launches…

    wow

    i wonder what they do behind the scenes…

    charity sponsored gloating?
    or charity jumping up and down…

    no they dont do anything political

    just having a list of nobs ….to hob around

    sannyassins

    wow…. so usefully philanthropic and proud of it….(not)

  122. prem martyn says:

    sd

    its a thought

    u organise it …i’ll contribute….

  123. chetna says:

    soooo, Amma’s hug was alright, but I have not slept half of the night and that made more difference than the hug on my day (he he he)

  124. prem martyn says:

    i’ll hug you.. and keep you up..3/4 of the night

    enough he he he….unless you post photos of the event.. i mean the night .. not the hug

  125. frank says:

    satya deva,
    yes,i have.
    a couple of challenges that would come up…
    how to get customers for the rag…
    the target market will be new-agers…
    and those guys seem to have problems re.rectal and cranial positioning….
    and,for the most part these guys clown chakras are tightly closed…

    and who would advertise in such a publication?

  126. frank says:

    i had a sweaty hug from amma on a steamy tropical night in kerala…it must have been 30 degrees and much hotter on the stage in the press of all the other hugees and the security heavies who seemed to be playing some indian religious version of rugby…
    i was pushed in to her arms..
    she mumbled to me “mm very nice..very nice..”
    the heavies hauled me back off her….

    my mate reckoned she fancied me….

  127. Lokesh says:

    SD Yes, it would provide me with yet another creative outlet to write for a satirical mag, but would there be enough of us to fill it? I’m already a busy be with alll my creative projects. I actually am starting to feel guilty that I’m not outside on a windy day finishing my cement work.
    Keep me posted.
    Gotta go.

  128. chetna says:

    Frank, I had the same experience.Someone literally pushed me into her arms and dragged me out. Now I am in wonder why the hell did I wait for 4 hrs to do that? She smelled nice though, it was not hot.

  129. Lokesh says:

    Shantam , last person I talked to (few days ago) who was there for the whole of poona two thought that towards the end some of Osho’s discourses were more like unfocused ramblings that contained only a little of the master’s former zest, wit and intelligence…boring i think was his conclussion, if I remember rightly. It is all in the eye of the beholder….is how I see it.

  130. frank says:

    i cant really imagine many amma sympathisers warming to that kind of stuff,can you…?

    i guess a self-funded mag out of sheer sense of fun might be the way to go…

    maybe some rich old cynic would support us….

  131. frank says:

    chetna,
    yes,she smelt ok.
    there was a lot of scented talcum powder around,in fact she slipped me a wrap of it and a little boiled sweet,a kind of 5 paisa one….
    i thought it might be her phone number at first…

  132. prem martyn says:

    my head often gets pushed into places smelling of talcum powder.. and all i can manage is a

    mmmmmaaaaa

    is that similar?

  133. prem martyn says:

    ive stopped offering boiled sweets thoiugh since they raised the age of consent to 12

    it is 12 isnt it?

  134. prem bobby says:

    look at amma as a ‘performance artist’, not much different than a yoko ono or a gaga.
    the target audience is getting some one-shot kick,
    believing themselves to be something special,
    but the performer is receiving too,
    getting the same from the other side of the story event.
    I mean,
    maybe it’s amma’s need to be hugged as much as it is for others to be hugged by her.
    from the looks of her, i can’t believe her phone would be ringing off the hook for dates.
    same goes for yoko and gaga — differrent ethnicities and cultural millieu, but ultimately, the same basic schtick, in the yin-yang of it, the artist/audience need fulfilment circle.

    was osho and his sannyasins any different in that respect?

    or was, Lokesh, your friend’s boredom at the Pune 2 performances of Osho, indicative of his own unfulfilled expectations as to what Osho was supposed to DO those nights while on stage. Osho changed as the artist, but your friend did not change as the recipient, it seems. The ‘folkies’ didn’t like it when dylan went “electric’, either…they’re still listening wistfully to their peter, paul, and mary records.

    form viewing the history of Osho’s ways, that ‘pulling the rug out from under you’ tactic was the old man’s bread and butter, an ongoing strategy that continues on to this day, as far as i can see.

  135. Satya Deva says:

    Rather too ‘artful’ for me, your ‘deconstructions’, Prem Booby – clever enough, ‘interesting’ even, but more than a bit ‘too clever by half’, I reckon…

    Typical clever-dick, cynical western mind-stuff:
    Reduce it all to ‘theatre’/unfulfilled needs for sex and love – the usual, but very mediocre theoretical explanations, wanting to come across as a bit of a know-it-all’ – while actually apparently knowing or understanding so very little of value.

  136. prem bubbie says:

    I met a dutch chap, kind of short , skinny, wore spectacles, in 1981, we were both living in a Brooklyn N.Y. sannyas house, he was a one point osho’s librarian back in Bombay, some interesting stories he told me about osho… one was, that as time went on in pune 1 his discourses were beginning to sound incoherent and a bit wacky, he saw the change over time from 1972 through the end on pune 1. Now, i think we know why- heavy nitrous use. Also, osho used to dye his beard black, and he was uptight about his baldness…even enlightened beings can become unbalanced sometimes.

  137. prem martyn says:

    okay bubby booby bob and bibbles

    i know we are short of a few contributions here

    but can we at least have some imagination in the names…..

    or will it be

    sitya dova
    lakosh
    prom murtan
    sityam
    chutney
    kevato
    and
    anygarh
    not forgetting
    nerooov

    still maybe we are all virtual clones of our true selves anyway..
    maybe when i get ‘it’ i’ll talk like all of you..that would be an interesting enlightened multiple personality..

    it could go like this
    hugging is great if you want to and really you must do it in a commune in nepal but dont get too serious about the comedy part of it all, and if you do we can all meet at a therapy centre on ibiza and in between sessions do some concreting . By the way we will be eating a vegetarian for lunch as long as he stops struggling.Oh and dont mention sex or cults , thats what we do at weekends when we are not busy being reckless cynical old farts.And this i am teling you from the bottom of my heart, that love is not in 17 Koregaon Park but online at astrosannyas.
    ……..
    One vast umbrella for all of us ..lets put aside our differences..we have so much together we can share..
    like all the things we wont do together… thats a start…

    hey guys and girls come back i was only kidding .. its only a half truth.. come backkkkkkk

  138. prem bubbie says:

    AP NEWS FLASH– India expected to see dramatic climate change by 2030… 2 degrees C. increase, will lead to major disruptions in monsoon, food production…. Well, for a superior nation bent on ever more capitalist consumption and producing babies like rabbits, just the opposite is needed. Time to go back to the spinning wheel and vasectomies.

  139. prem bubbie says:

    Neerav- you haven’t yet answered Satya Deva’s question— chicken shit are you?

  140. prem bubbie says:

    S.D.—- regarding the “satirical” magazine… please leave a column open, back page– for my “going away present” to the readers..

  141. prem bubbie says:

    P.M prem bobby is actually Bob not me…. just to clear things up.

  142. prem bubbie says:

    Regarding Amma’s smell…. I prefer my Italian- American babes with the garlic, basil smell… helps with my appetite.

  143. Lokesh says:

    Bobby makes some good points. If we tie the performance thing in with some of the footage from ‘GURU’ it comes out like this.
    Osho was definitely into theatrics. The energy darshans in Poona one were like a cross between the Grateful Dead on a good night and something out of a Bollywood movie…and it worked. If it was your turn to get a third eye job it was amind-blower…good clean fun. Earlier in Osho’s Acharya Rajneesh incarnation he had the old hypno eyes and looked like something out of a positve version of the Exorcist…minus the rubber-knecked chick throwing up all over the place….he looked possessed by something awesome….the years fly by and we have the Osho in a funny hat incarnation…. there is one scene in ‘GURU’ where Sheela ushers the old boy off centre stage because he looks like he is getting a wee bit carried away with…pills, energy, Saint Vitus dance…something funky in the mix for sure.
    Verbally Osho did his best raps before he got too much jumping jack gas in his tubes. I’ve done enough nitrous to know that it does not agree with me because I get migrane type headaches if I have more than a few hits. I talked to the guy whose job it was to roll in the gas cylinders when the old boy needed a refill….my conclussion…if you are taking cylinders of that shit it will do brain-damage. So we can watch the effects the pills and gas had on Osho’s talks….sidetracked into all manner of unimportant nonsense…. a far cry from the days of ‘Tantra the Supreme Understanding’ or another favourite of mines the talks on the Bauls. Those were the days when Osho spoke books….good ones….amazing ones…towards the end….i’m not so sure…who knows?…I don’t really care…it is history and life goes on and is happening where it always happens…here and now.

  144. prem bobby says:

    that’s right….bubbie is not bobby.
    and satya deva, that’s quite clever of you to call me “booby” instead of bobby…very ‘clever’ indeed.

  145. prem bubbie says:

    You such a big boobie-bobbie… (“who loves you baby”-Kojak 1973)

  146. Shantam says:

    Prem Bobby at 7:09 pm
    let us see, what you write tomorrow at this time.
    After the meal sweet dish…or mail of the day..

    It is an aquarious age, rules of the last age have gone dramatic changes.
    Kick on any photo below and see, how God (i simply presume or wishful thinking) will prefer His Enlightend
    Amma´s from the west.

    http://www.kindgirls.com/gallery/metart/dana_45637/dana/12/0

  147. frank says:

    its definitely about acting.

    osho himself said spomething like
    “an enlightened man is nobody so he will have act”
    in fact,everyone is in the same situation…

    we all act “as if”,from early childhood.
    the “as if” sticks and we become “someone”

    buddhas do the same…

    hey and zorbas too.
    what about old anthony quinn?
    after the succes of the movie “zorba the greek”
    he spent several decades doing zorba the stageshow….
    he fathered 13 kids,danced,drank and generally larged it up,big time,till his death…
    he even declared “i am zorba”
    act it.become it.

    did you hear about the test they did a while ago here in the uk?
    they wanted to test some hands-on healers.
    so they got some healers,and they got some trained actors to play the part of healers…
    then they all worked on the clients who did not know which were which.
    the actors were rated as slightly more effective than the healers by the clients….

    they probably had more “presence” which is taught in all drama schools,and is the vital ingredient for any healer,satsanger,guru act….

    originality,authenticity and genuinely “having it” probably can`t be learnt,however….
    it just pops up from the void,the beyond,the basic uncut block..

    just like that……

  148. prem bubbie says:

    Lokesh- yet still it seems there are so many characters running ashrams, centers and such that they all must also be using nitrous… no clear, common sense actions. Still hung up on the “old” Bhagwan”. for those of us who developed wings to fly, it’s sad, just sad to see all of those winged idiots running around acting as though they have clipped wings. kind of like a fledgling bird without the eagerness to try and see if they can fly.

  149. prem bubbie says:

    Frank, yeah, Quinn did the Zorba act… just a stupid fool…. why the fuck father 13 children? How many mothers? His palimony must have been huge… forced him to work never endlessly… A simple solution- a vasectomy– he could have just chilled from acting work and still fucked his brains out… some sort of twisted machismo on his part… i knew a couple of characters like that… definite testosterone problems.

  150. prem bubbie says:

    Wasn’t one of Osho’s main mantras “Be a good Actor”? he did a terrible job at that on the “Nightline” show with Ted Koppel, from jail… pinstripes just don’t go well with bearded bald Indian men.

  151. prem bubbie says:

    Now shantam is into relaying porn sites of western women…. you just love those white women…. your law practice must be suffering.

  152. Shantam says:

    Satya deva, must be looking at the growing moon with new meditative awareness, If he could get 12 seconds of patting on the shoulder..
    The woman i became acquainted too during the last days, was at Mannheim for hug.
    Driving two hours, sleeping in the car, morning coffee, than the token like one gets at the railway station or post offices for the turn to come. So waiting is not difficult any more. Technology has replaced the Q’s.

    One gets the list of do´s and don´ts. Volunteer push the person forward. Someone ask what language, and next few seconds, Amma pets her, ” Liebe Liebe Liebe”The visiting woman felt as if someone has poured the bucket full of water over the plant.

    Than usual food, and stalls for the devotees to buy something, so that with the profit charitable work could happen.
    “There must be something special about her. Everybody cannot do such things”, she mentioned.

    “When one is sick, one finds something special in the doctors too. Don´t you think, footballers have something special in their feet, otherwise why thousands of people will pay 50 Euros and more to see them dibbling with the ball”
    and moreover, don´t you think something special must be in you, otherwise why i go on appreciating you with my eyes.”

    I think it was a nice evening.

  153. Shantam says:

    As i can see in my inner picutures, many of the farm labourers will be awake in the middle of the wintery nights for their turn of electricity so that wheat belt of India can feed 1.2 billion plus people.
    What they get in return, 60 Euros for 12 hours multiplied by 30 days of work.
    Some family member of them must be bending the iron roads on the under construction highways or stitching clothes for H&M and New yorker kind of firms.

    All the pain and humiliation these people bear by remembering the mysteries of all mighty..

    If their perspiration is not enough to melt the heart of the univesre, i don´t think some hug from someone, some HU HU HU in the air conditioned auditorium, some wise words at facebook etc. can make some wonder.

    No..,
    these people will always be in the frontline to me, if sometime a box office window for the heavens get open on the earth..

  154. frank says:

    yeah,bubbie,i heard his palimony was huge…
    so were other parts of his anatomy…

    you cant act that….!
    that really is like enlightenment…
    you either got it,or you aint….

    satori:
    enlightenment is like having a massive dick….
    religion is just another penis-enlargement scam…..

  155. prem martyn says:

    its for you shantam !!

    and anyone else who wants to have a peek !

  156. frank says:

    hahahahahaha…..

  157. prem bobby says:

    continuing on about this “life as a stage” theme…

    bubbie, osho looked like a fish out of water on that Ted Koppel Nightline interview during his arrest in the US, because he was now in someone else’s show. His robes were now prison fatigues, his hatted head was now his bald head, orthopedic throne-chair was a wooden stool. the questions were fired machine-gun style, as is common practice in the US news media, with osho having no pre-knowledge of the questions as was his preferred method before his disciples in his usual venue.

    osho was in custody, no personal caretakers, strange bed, strange food, strange schedule, and so on.

    then the TV show edited the interview, of course for their own pre-determined editorial slant, whatever it was — most likely not very pro-bhagwan.

    so, that was a good example of how it takes more than a strong “presence” to make a succesful performer. there is the extremely important direction and production of the “show” too. Osho’s discourses are usually described as “spontaneous talks”, but this is far from the truth.
    “Extemporaneous” would be a bit more accurate word — even “improvisational” would be closer to the reality. With a big production support team to make it all happen.

    as a lot of you guys were there for some of these talks, i’m sure you can attest to the fact that these were not Friday night at the pub get togethers, where osho just walks in and starts shooting the shit with the crowd.

    Osho — quite a show though!

    Maybe “The Greatest Show on Earth”, as Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus used to promote their productions.

  158. prem bubbie says:

    P.M. You left out.. “Baby, you wanna see my massive dick? Just like Anthony Quinn’s”

  159. prem bubbie says:

    P.M. i couldn’t stop laughing!!!! Nice fucking job!!!!

  160. prem bubbie says:

    How did you put in those subtitles? MORE MORE!!!!

  161. prem bubbie says:

    prem bobbie: even the osho photos for all of his books were “staged”… he hired profession marketers, who were also sannyasins, and pro-photographers to shoot staged “buddha-esques” photos of him… he knew very well what he was doing , using modern mass marketing techniques to sell his “wares”. Personally, that’s fine by me, use what’s available… . People are generally gullible anyway, so instead of selling rice cakes or chocolate bars, sell “methods to attain higher consciousness”

  162. prem bubbie says:

    Frank: nearly all women who i’ve been acquainted with over the years have told be they don’t like big dicks– just hurts too much… good for fondling, wagging around and maybe sucking, not good for fucking; except those handful of nymphomaniacs(i.e. most sannyasin females) and they’ll fuck just about anything that moves- large or small. my schlong size suits me just fine…. here come the jokes……

  163. prem bubbie says:

    Latest headline: Haitian cholera epidemic: Genetic tests confirm strain comes from Nepal… Nepalese U.N. peacekeepers….. Go Team Go!!!! Yay Team!!! We’ll take your buddhas, not your diseases.

  164. Sw Aatmo Neerav says:

    Prem Bubbie writes,
    “Neerav- you haven’t yet answered Satya Deva’s question— chicken shit are you?”

    Bubbie,
    Thank you for keeping the record about who asked me what but i tried finding the question but couldn’t? I have already answered his questions about the activities in the commune on the other thread and he thought he was Ok with what was happening here. I havent seen any other question from him after that. Please find that question for me and tell me when you do.

  165. Sw Aatmo Neerav says:

    at least we could make some use of your uselessness here.

  166. Shantam says:

    When one writes with open identity, one gets comments and suggestions too.
    Just now..one young seeker who is doing M.A. in English literature, has written on my facebook,” Have you noticed how much gutter language is being used at SN.”

    I hope fellow writers take notice, including me.
    SN is not a big boys toilet…

  167. prem martyn says:

    bubbie you can make your own subtitled movie at;

    http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/

  168. prem martyn says:

    bubbie
    and here

    http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/v2/

    ( it seems if i paste more than one link at a time i get moderated )

    …………..

    shantam

    you obviously NEVER did any group therapy….

    we are here not to parade our MA’s…

    now then about the Indian Toilet you mention….full of invasive amoebas which creep up on you and destroy your bowel lining….silently withouut swearing…

    you want microscopic transparency then get used to having adult fun…. including how do u say poltely… ‘ vagina ‘ and ‘ mammaries ‘ photos….

    i can hear the nepalese commune already preparing some face-cum shots for their next months oshite magazine ….just so they can be hip and western..

  169. Lokesh says:

    Osho, was a big fan of gutter language. What exactly is wrong with gutter language? The lotus grows out of the mud etc. Or perhaps that young seeker that Shantam is referring to is very young and does not know how the lotus grows out of the mud.
    Careful, Shantam, there are people out there who are looking for Facebook predators,

  170. Shantam says:

    Sometime, once in a while, it is a joy to agree with Lokesh.

  171. Shahriar says:

    Hello everyone. I thought I share my spiritual experiences, see if any of you have experienced such things.

    I talk to the dead. Telepathically. Like Osho, Ayn Rand, Albert Eintstein (he thinks I’m arrogant, cheeky and disrespectful) and Ludwig Von Mises. I sense their location with my mind’s eye, so I don’t actually see them. Of course, some people would say that I am delusional which brings up a very relevant question which I would like answered for those who feel like taking a jab at it: how do you know the difference between mental illness and spiritual experiences? For instance, talking to the dead. How do you know that you are having a spiritual experience and are not simply delusional?

  172. Shantam says:

    And you young Ms. M.A, from Hindi heartland, please, enjoy the Osho jokes of Pune 2 phase and meditate over them.
    Sannyasins have devlelop a complete sense of humanness… Whore without clothes and whore in white robe, both have got the equal opportunity to please Mr. God in their unique way.

    Really Existance is impartial and fair.

  173. Shantam says:

    Shahriar,
    Let me make a test.
    Can any one of your great Dead and still here can tell whether 2012 big bang of earth is still on shedule or the year is postponed for technical reasons.
    May be they can encourage Ahmedinizad to stick with the deadline?

    “A female CNN journalist heard about a very old Jewish man who had been going to the Western Wall to pray, twice a day, every day, for a long, long time.

    So she went to check it out. She went to the Western Wall and there he was, walking slowly up to the holy site.

    She watched him pray and after about 45 minutes, when he turned to leave, using a cane and moving very slowly, she approached him for an interview.

    “Pardon me, sir, I’m Rebecca Smith from CNN. What’s your name?

    “Morris Feinberg,” he replied.

    “Sir, how long have you been coming to the Western Wall and praying?”

    “For about 60 years.”

    “60 years! That’s amazing! What do you pray for?”

    “I pray for peace between the Christians, Jews and the Muslims.”

    “I pray for all the wars and all the hatred to stop.”

    “I pray for all our children to grow up safely as responsible adults, and to love their fellow man.”

    “How do you feel after doing this for 60 years?”

    “Like I’m talking to a fucking wall.”

  174. Shahriar says:

    Lol, shantam you really seem to have a deathwish. Apparently a religious theocracy is going to be established in America. The dead say that the choice is between a religious theocracy and socialism. No third choice. The left has chosen socialism and the right has chosen a religious theocracy.

  175. Kavita says:

    Gutter language was used by . . Kabir . . who is regarded as a saint . . let let one know . . :)

  176. Kavita says:

    <3 U . . Marty boy . . :)

  177. frank says:

    shahofiran,
    it is simple.
    spiritual if others back up and validate your experience
    delusional mental illness if they dont.

    if there are no others to judge,
    you will just live with the dream/nightmare you`re having…
    like everyone else…

  178. frank says:

    bob,
    you are right that every show needs to be staged
    but,to be fair to osho…
    re.. ted koppel “interview”
    bhagwan did get a good one-liner in at the end,which was deleted in hugh milne`s account…
    (which was very pissy of him,i thought..)
    when in response to bhagwan saying his rolls were gifts from his “friends”(ie not disciples),
    koppel said,slightly bitchily:”well,i dont have thousands of friends who buy me rolls royces”
    bhagwan came back with:
    “but you are not the blessed one”..
    that was the last line.

  179. frank says:

    correction.
    it was “followers” not “disciples” that bhagwan was denying having.

  180. frank says:

    however,bob,i think you are somewhat stating the obvious.
    any show clearly has to be played to the appreciators of that style of performance…
    hahaha..
    i just got a flash of the scene in the “blues brothers”,when the band steal the good `ole boys slot and nearly get murdered by a bunch of bottle throwing redmecks..(until they play “rawhide”.
    that is a good example….

    also bringinging in “presence” when you`re in police lock up,aint easy..
    just guessing,of course…..

  181. Lokesh says:

    Shahriar, you ask: how do you know the difference between mental illness and spiritual experiences?

    The people who write about their spiritual experiences on SN, usually suffer from mental illness. Welcome to the club.

    Next.

  182. Satya Deva says:

    Loverly jubberly, Martyn, thanks!

  183. Satya Deva says:

    Luverly juberly, Martyn – cheers!

  184. prem martyn says:

    frank how comes you have the ted koppel video and script…
    i remember it well
    but not that well
    ??

    and by the way….
    we dont have any meetings planned for the next year

    how about a xmas calendar

    for the terminally restless mind…

    each month with an additional large colour photo

    January
    Sunset over the Frozen Heart

    Who is not In and where they have gone….
    Single In the new Year?
    Osho screw with someone elses girlfriend weekends

    February
    Winter Frost Lake Scenes
    Just
    Chilling out in someone elses house..
    at Villa Expensivo in Italy

    March
    Reindeer in the Forest Dawn

    Still not Glowing enough from the Inner Fire
    Osho self discovery in a Spend all your Money Desperately Marathon

    April
    Laughter Expression Therapy Fundraiser
    Sponsor a useful project for the really useless members of society
    SPONSOR A CENTRE LEADER / Therapist have a laugh at themselves and what they do..

    All donations for this calendar go to help middle class people really make sure they have no money to donate anywhere but themselves..

  185. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, could you please share a bit about talking to people who are not quite living on the other side, or something along those lines. Otherwise you might loose your title to Shahriar.

  186. Satya Deva says:

    Another thing re that tv prison interview: Much of the time Osho had difficulty hearing the interviewer. They sure didn’t make things easy for him.

  187. Satya Deva says:

    And Prem Bobby – misreading your name was simply that. Unfortunately, I can’t claim credit for the overwhelmingly clever (and appropriate) play on words.

  188. Satya Deva says:

    Frank:
    originality,authenticity and genuinely “having it” probably can`t be learnt,however….
    it just pops up from the void,the beyond,the basic uncut block..

    just like that……

    SD:
    Ssssssshhhh – Bobby might read this!

  189. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam:

    Satya deva, must be looking at the growing moon with new meditative awareness, If he could get 12 seconds of patting on the shoulder..

    SD:
    You’d be surprised, Shantam…

    The atmosphere of the whole occasion is uplifting…music, singing, high energy…

    One day, even someone of clearly superior, er, ‘superiority’ should lower yourself to give it a whirl…

    Just THINK of how much credit, how much praise your ‘REAL-LIFE-EXPERIENCES’ might earn from your readers…

    Who knows, you might even land a contract on tv as a ‘multi-cultural religious affairs’ correspondent…

    This world needs men of your ilk, Shantam, fearless souls, finely educated warriors, who are not content with sitting around all day, drinking coffee and engaging in pointless, narcissistic ruminations…

    The very Cream of the South Asian Crop, connoisseurs of, er, the Female Principle, those who delight in trawling the internet for lissomely nubile, naked ladies, before, er, ‘retiring to their room’….

    Would such an individual ever conceivably humiliate himself by kneeling before an Indian Woman – in front of thousands?

    Of course not! He has other, er, ‘work’ to do – in the blessed privacy of his room…

    He is, ladies and gentlemen, a ‘Wanker Supreme’!

  190. Shantam says:

    Talking with the dead can be as nourishing and uplifting as falling in love with the people in the Porn clip..
    No wonder, millions of people have a direct line connection(Verbindung) with few of the greatest names in the inner world.
    May be rational minded resort managers can accpet that dead elephant is 25% percent more worth of its price.
    If doubt comes, ask any one in India, what it means,” Jinda ek lakh ka, Mara Sawa lakh ka.”

    Jokes apart, The vision of the dead masters can motivate us, to follow the path fearlessly..about more, i am not sure…
    Only the whole can know the schemes of the whole..

  191. Satya Deva says:

    Sw Aatmo Neerav:

    Prem Bubbie writes,
    “Neerav- you haven’t yet answered Satya Deva’s question— chicken shit are you?”

    Bubbie,
    Thank you for keeping the record about who asked me what but i tried finding the question but couldn’t? I have already answered his questions about the activities in the commune on the other thread and he thought he was Ok with what was happening here. I havent seen any other question from him after that. Please find that question for me and tell me when you do.

    SD:
    It was regarding two Osho quotes, highly significant ones, I would say, esp in the context of your ‘debate’ with Prem Bubbie:

    “My love is freedom…You are not becoming a member of any church. I bless all kinds of seeking on all paths”.

    “The new man, the new humanity means individual religious people, not organised according to any dogma, doctrine, cult, but simply being in tune wtrh Existence.”

  192. Shantam says:

    !The atmosphere of the whole occasion is uplifting…music, singing, high energy…”

    So what..it is part of the game..

    Only a child will be surprised, to see the girls in the middle of the night standing on the street in red light area..
    It is part of the work…

    Will someone feel surprised to see, shoes in the shoe shop…to see full moon during the full moon night..

    When the energy is low and moods are pulling down, humiliation comes instead of hugs..and still one can smile at the mystery called life….one deserves to be the child of the earth.

  193. prem martyn says:

    i had a question too ‘or wet behind the ears superboy from nepal.’..

    where are my car keys… and when will we meet for the double date?

    see whose girly can ‘let go’ the biggest..

    ps i’ll eat anything as long as they are veg

    later this week we will be bringing you a new childrens tv series called

    Therapme Street

    we will be looking at all sorts of exciting new games..

    in the first programme we will be looking at how a big bird destroys all belief systems
    and then gives you a brand new one with a jewish vintage

    the belief in TherapMe
    rock solid and tough to crack…

    yes its Therapme Street

    (not advised for children over 18 as they might end up believing its all for real and very very true )

  194. prem martyn says:

    .typo alert

    ..too ‘ FOR wet ….’

  195. prem martyn says:

    shantams tripping in case anyone notices… he goes off when it gets too direct

    by the way shantam… i love your new acting roles….

  196. Lokesh says:

    Shantam….The vision of the dead masters can motivate us, to follow the path fearlessly..about more, i am not sure…

    Oh, you are getting humble bumble in your old age, Shantam, dear. But you are still very deep as your concluding pearl of wisdom confirms.
    ‘Only the whole can know the schemes of the whole.

    The crown remains where it belongs ….on top of the chumps…ehm, sorry, I mean champ’s head.
    Hail Shantam, our fearless spiritual warrior.
    Now where did I leave that bag of cement?

  197. frank says:

    shantam is obviously taking the the challenge of shahriar for the role of vilag-idiot very seriously indeed….
    “talking to the dead can be as nourishing and uplifting as falling in love with the people from the porno clip…”

    as eric morcambe used to say,as he adjusted his glasses..
    “there`s no answer to that…”

  198. Shantam says:

    SD,
    As far as i know, neither it is Osho´s wish or the need of the time to show dogamtic faithfullness towards living or dead masters.
    Without the fear of getting ditched, these sacred souls will never improve their product line. They take their customers as granted as monarch thinks, ” ordinary folks can never stand against them.
    So disciples have all the right to check, flirt and date any one in the market…
    But in every game there is a sense of decrum, some natural laws, some well accepted facts, for example it is the level of intensity of the person involved, which makes the alchemical fire to work rather than taking the cattle to different heating plates..

    As far as Osho is concerned, i wonder why people are afraid to look at the complete vision, as to take the selective words to prove one´s inclination has become the trend. Why to use His words as protection, why not to take the responsibilty for one´s own actions..

  199. Shantam says:

    “Talking to the dead can be as nourishing and uplifting as falling in love with the people from the porno clip…”
    Frank, i think this is a good satirical line to describe an irony..

  200. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, you really are a great laugh. Your latest bunkum had me in stitches. Big up, champ!

  201. frank says:

    “only the whole knows the schemes of the whole”
    goodness gracious me,shantam is reprising his role as professor godbole in “a passage to india”….

    who knows,you may yet get the western seeker chicks throwing themselves at your feet or even higher chakras than that,with those kind of lines…
    stranger things have happened,eh brian?

  202. Shantam says:

    Frank, western chicks will not throw for wisdom.
    Wisdom was never in the list of Fraud, Jung, Adler.

    The chicks come, when the POWER is there, wisdom and intelligence may be minimum but power packing should be strong.

    I mean, what satsang givers radiate, a promise that you will get the kiss of Aids, i mean aids for the soul..

    Who will not stay in the line to have the privelge of giving Blow job, if it can redeem the soul.

    All the gurus in all the continents directly and indirectly use this charming power to make people surrunder. Osho is also no exception.
    And all the hugh Milne´s of today are still using their old service to the master to get fresh choclate for their teethless mouth..

    No wonder, soul stays more hollow than the professional sex workers and their clinets..

  203. Shantam says:

    correction-
    I mean, what satsang givers radiate, a promise that you will get the kiss of Aids, i mean aids for the EGO, the birth of the soul..

  204. prem bobby says:

    yes, it’s true…
    i know i am stating the obvious, the prosaic, the fundamental.
    do you think this is easy?

    i used to do a lot of construction work, and have experience in foundation concrete work too as part of that.
    once, in the middle of winter, at 9,000 feet in the mountains, i worked on a foundation of a big building. The top of any building footing always has to be below the frost line of the place — in this case it had to be about 6 feet deep. Mud, snow, frozen earth, cold, ice, etc. were the elements. Work started at 6 am. in the trenches. There was no audience. no applause. no slaps on the back, “good job, cheers,” and all that. Thankless work. and very, very hard. but, i enjoyed it.

    So,

    some ‘fundamentals’ to keep in mind:

    1..Who is your audience?

    2. Who is yo’ Daddy?

    3. Who are you?

    4. What is your motivation?

    as you travel on your Space Odyssey to jupiter and beyond, remember,
    the dough-boys in the trenches have their Paths of Glory too.

    just another way of saying,

    there is only one Cosmos, nothing is higher or lower.

  205. Ma Linguinii says:

    who ARE all you nutjobs? is everyone here over the age of 60? and do any of you have day jobs? i demand someone tell me…i want to do what all of you do….anything that allows me 18hrs a day of typing non-stop shiiite!

  206. frank says:

    yes,bob,stating the obvious is a lot easier that laying down 9 yards of concrete…….

    and i speak from experience also…..

  207. Kavita says:

    Please do see / listen . . to this . . -> http://www.vimeo.com/16812713
    <3 . . :)

  208. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, have you ever tried blowing your scrotum up with a straw and then having sex with a camel?

  209. prem martyn says:

    kavita…

    im not in my heart… but i can be in your knickers anytime

    you bad bad coming-off -the-anti-depressants-tonight-girl

  210. Shantam says:

    Lokesh you are more experienced and adventureous as an individual and also as Scottish, if you share your how to do guide, better with illustrations, i can try, and can write the experience for others too.

    After all, uncondtional sharing is a charity.
    And charity begins from home, so start writing-

    A new thread from Lokesh at sannyas news-
    “My gratifying Sex expereince with camel in 1990-
    Lokesh shares his life changing incident.”

  211. Kavita says:

    l have come . . already Marty . . so chill baby :)

  212. prem bubbie says:

    Shantam, it’s better to share any “extraordinary psychic or out-worldly ” experiences with someone whom you can trust…. standing on a soap box in the middle of town square or going off the deep end on Sannyasnews just means your mental energies are uncontrollable, i.e. mentally ill. that too can be handled with extra catharsis- going for a 10km run, hopping up and down for a few hours in a room or banging your head against a wall for a while… Most of those who expose themselves to osho- willingly ,do have these “extraordinary” experiences, just we learn to deal with them and don’t go bonkers from those experiences…. and are carefully with whom we share.

  213. prem bubbie says:

    I do notice though on SN and other sannyas magazines, people bragging about their accomplishments, and/or talents… This topic has been dealt with here in the past; why not a rerun- eh? I put those people in the same category as those who brag about their psychic experiences or talents… definitely a touch of mental illness… frankly, i don’t give a fuck about some swami or ma with low self-esteem self-raving their so-called “talents”. Just shut up and join the club.

  214. prem bubbie says:

    That goes with people raving about ashrams and centres they belong to….

  215. prem bubbie says:

    P.M. thanks for the info…. what a riot!!

  216. Shantam says:

    This is a video excerpt from Kavita´s above link at vimeo.com.

    For hundred and hundreds of years indigenous people were saying, “A time would come when the mother earth will shift, and we reborn into her heaven. and at this time, the people living on our planet earth, need to shift from MIND consciousness to Heart consciousness, if they wish to enlightened during this shift.
    They spoke about the people who will come on the planet, the strongest of the strong spirits to arrive….

    and these people will be called tribe of many colors.
    AND WE AR THE TRIBE OF MANY COLORS.

    tribeofmanycolors.net

    And we are the chosen few…tribe of many colors, Jehovvah the witness, Sri Bhagwan´s initiated people..
    and 2012 is just approaching-
    We are the Winterthur insurance, we are at your service at Lloyd’s, we are life insurance corporation of India..
    Because Change HappenZ

    Bogus predictions of Osho are repacked by the new players !!

    I wish these players all the success..but if the earth crumbles they will crumble too, heart energy or no heart energy..

  217. prem bubbie says:

    Kavita: “…little girls should be seen and not heard”. (Polystyrene- X-Ray Spex-1977)

  218. Satya Deva says:

    RE the ‘Kiesha’ video:

    Ohhhh DEAR!

  219. Shantam says:

    SD, what is your opinion,perception about Kiesha, it is only through the link of Kavita, i have heard this young lady?
    Does
    Ohhhh DEAR!
    means..

    She has won my heart!

  220. Kavita says:

    Its my 1st time . . l saw & heard Kiesha . . l jus . . had to share . . :)

  221. prem martyn says:


    The video cannot be shown at the moment. Please try again later.

    kavita that ones for you

    :)
    life is great.. and so are the extra terrestrials

  222. frank says:

    she has the almost completely (e)motionless face of an unsuccessful ventriloquist.
    the droning voice of a depressed bore.
    sounds like she`s in a sort of competition to spout all the new age cliches in one monotone session…
    “i had to come..spread the message…i was different as a child…im special….shaman ….rainbow…”

    bag-o-shite….

    beam me up scotty…..

  223. Kavita says:

    you cute lil dick heads . . l love you anyway :)

  224. Kavita says:

    lam thankful to you guys . . for actually . . Being . . Obediant . . Ohh my sweeties . . :)

  225. Lokesh says:

    My scrotum has exploded.

  226. Satya Deva says:

    Just consulted Kiesha on that, Lokesh…She says not to worry, it’s a sign the extra-terrestrials love you…

    Visualise ‘saving Mother Earth’ and you’ll be all right…

    It’s a, er, ‘Test’, you see….

  227. Kavita says:

    good for u . .

    now . . l can sleep . . :)

  228. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam:

    SD, what is your opinion,perception about Kiesha, it is only through the link of Kavita, i have heard this young lady?
    Does
    Ohhhh DEAR!
    means..

    She has won my heart!

    SD:
    Er, not exactly, no, Shantam…It’s not quite like that, it’s sort of, er, ‘different’….

  229. Shantam says:

    What i appreciate about this girl(kiesha) is that she carries the title, ” little grand mother”.
    It sooths my heart, when other cutlures also grow in their lacking aspects.
    There are many Ma´s and Amma´s from India, But little grand mother_ Veggieburger from Macdonald gives a good run for the money to Samosa or Idly…

    My mother who is visiting me in Germany, looked at the computer screen , when i was watching Ms. Kiesha, She said,after few seconds ” Is the poor girl sick? is she asking for some donation?.”
    I said, ” no, no. She is a little guru for some people.”
    She looked at me with the question in the eyes,” how long you will remain unemployed?, and than laughed, ” talk talk talk.”

  230. Shahriar says:

    I can’t believe actually listen to the bullshit this woman is saying.

  231. Satya Deva says:

    Shantam:
    She looked at me with the question in the eyes,” how long you will remain unemployed?, and than laughed, ” talk talk talk.”

    SD:
    Your mother is a woman of infinite sense, Shantam!

  232. Shahriar says:

    Check this picture out: http://andersson.elfwood.com/Family-Gathering.2524339.html

    (how do you turn it into a link?)

  233. Shahriar says:

    nevermind

  234. Satya Deva says:

    Shahriar:
    I can’t believe actually listen to the bullshit this woman is saying.

    SD:
    What one might term your (near enough) ‘Instant Karma’ then, Shahriar?!

  235. Satya Deva says:

    Shahriar:

    Check this picture out: http://andersson.elfwood.com/Family-Gathering.2524339.html

    SD:
    Yes – then what?!

  236. frank says:

    never mind amma,shantam..
    you have your own amma…
    that`s enough….!

    “mum knows best”
    as we say in this part of the world….

  237. Shahriar says:

    I thought it was cute

  238. Satya Deva says:

    “Cute”?

    Are you for real?!

    I’ve had my doubts from the start…

    You can NOT be serious, you’re a bogus creation of a rather ‘clever’ fellow, are you not?!

  239. anugrah says:

    shantam, i saw the vedio osho Ek Vidrohi, one rebel

    satya vedant was in the vedio praising osho about how much rebel osho was in his lifetime

    we all know that osho was rebel, it is time for satya vedant to show some rebellious act himself . and share the truth behind the curtains…….

    i welcome him to share his stories here on this site
    stories which took place while he was inner circle member from 1990 to 2006
    i am sick about listening about meditation, peace, and about awareness from him.
    it is time that satya vedant show some rebel in him and share to sannyasins true events about 17 koregaon park.

    people like him just repeat osho’s wise words . and not apply them into daily life……..can he dare to tell me in what he has been rebel in those 16 years of member of inner cirlce…….he was chancllar of multiversity and just was puppet into the hands of ceo.
    if you look deep into their life ,, you find they have nothing , but compromise, compromise, and still doing compromise every day……
    and their compromise has lead us to this great problems facing.

    is compromise part of life of rebel ? can some one explain me. please

  240. prem bobby says:

    for a higher quality video clip, if you can pull yourselves away from the girl who thinks she’s a shaman of some kind… here is a 10 minute YouTube clip of Osho answering a question at Rajneeshpuram from an Italian sannyasin Sw. Deva Nitam, Oct. 22, 1985. This is one day before the US Federal Grand Jury issued its indictment against Osho, and 5 days before he flew out of the Ranch to be arrested in North Carolina for his 12 day jail journey in the states.

    It is titled by OIF,
    Science and the Inner Journey

    http://www.livingworkshop.net/ob-thelasttest4.html

    The next video (Oct. 23) on that page has turned into a broken link it seems.

    Btw, it just occured to me that this was the time I was in that foundation trench that I was telling you about in my previous post above — the winter of ’85-’86.
    That was a bit of a rough winter for everyone it seems.

    How about some personal stories from the rest of the posters here from that time.

    Where were you and what were you doing at the Fall of the Ranch? That Winter of 1985. A 25 Year Lookback.

    I’m sure with all the colorful characters here, there must be some untold episodes that would be illuminating for us all.

  241. prem bubbie says:

    P.M. which one of those zombie ladies is Kavita? Too much education, let that be a lesson for you Kavita… your place is in the home serving papaya lassies for Shantam. Yes, little girls should be seen and not heard… best advice in over 30 years!!!

  242. prem bubbie says:

    Lokesh, regarding my scrotum; it’s as dry as my jokes.

  243. prem bubbie says:

    S.D. Shahriar is after all a young Iranian… that should be enough.

  244. prem bubbie says:

    Anugrah says,” people like him just repeat osho’s wise words…” talking about yourself again, eh?

  245. prem bubbie says:

    hey bobby, instead of rerunning the ’85-’86 year with posts, how about you just organize a fucking 25th anniversary reunion party, with lots of cake and ice cream. you can hire out that 2nd rate country western band that the ranch had going around oregon playing gigs at empty saloons. You can also get a live video feed from Switzerland with sheela ragging about her sleepless in sannyasland escapades. How about surprising us with appearance of her lieutenants- Homa, Vidya et.al. You take care of all of those things and I’ll round up all of the 94 Rolls Royces and let everyone take turns driving… all of that and of course, plenty of champagne, cognac, hookers, cigars and joydolls for those old swamis who can’t get it up anymore or who have HIV. Bobby, try that reminiscing shit with Shantam or Neerav, and fuck off!!!

  246. Shahriar says:

    Hey everyone, I wanted your opinion on my religious practices.

    I worship, (like Ramakrishna.) a modified greek pantheon. I say modified because I have added a story where the son of Athena half-god and half-divine leads a revolution against Zeus, kills Zeus and establishes a republic (and not a democracy.) on Mount Olympus. What do you all think? I would love to hear your thoughts on my religious practices.

  247. Shantam says:

    Anugrah, I hope Chitanya Keerti is still in the habit of reading sannyasnews and other news happening around Osho and His people.

    I hope, He can pass your post to Satya Vedant.

    I think, Existance takes notice of our talk and walk through people´s eyes too.

  248. Kavita says:

    Too much education, let that be a lesson for you Kavita… your place is in the home serving papaya lassies for Shantam. Yes, little girls should be seen and not heard… best advice in over 30 years!!!

    Bubbie Darling . . Iam a Big Girl . . IN All ways . . so dear Kindly shut up . . & by the way . . l have nothing to serve . . and looks like you need . . to have papaya lassi . . or this is Shantam in disguise . . anyway Dear . . :)

  249. Shantam says:

    Hail Mary, full of grace.
    Our Lord is with you.
    Blessed are you among women,
    and blessed is the fruit of your womb,
    Jesus.
    Holy Mary, Mother of God,
    pray for us sinners,
    now and at the hour of our death.
    Amen.

    I think after every medittaion, when sannyasins, specially Christians pray to Marry, i am sure it will work as a fertiliser to grow the real real flowers..

    Meditation without prayer….Osho without laughter, without birds, without people.

  250. Shantam says:

    Kavita, Shantam live in loving exile but not in disguise.
    Papaya Lassi..Never heard..

    Just ask your Aiya for a cup of ginger chai and phone to the stand for VADA PAV..like always…few rituals remain so…

  251. Shahriar says:

    Or shantam “we are three, you are three, have mercy on us.”

  252. Kavita says:

    Shantam . . lam having plain chai . . and idli vada chutney . . my mother got . . jus now . . :)

  253. Shantam says:

    We are three, you are three, have mercy on us..
    and these three illitrate ex.communicated priests, started walking on the water..
    Osho enjoys this story, gathering rolls with laughter, people read this story and feel like one of these three..

    Yes..with the innocence and right understanding individual and world problems can be tackled quite easily..
    Our past is not glorious, because master of the masters was not here.
    Now he has come and gone.. has somethig changed.

    OFI &OIF, you are two and we are many..have mercy on us, don´t put your bamboos in our robes..

    Yes…when rebellious spirit is a rare comodity, Mercy is the right solution.

    Back to prayers. tried and tested remedy for centuries.*

  254. Shantam says:

    WORLD SURVEY BY PHONE-
    (Meditators are also part of the world or not…)

    Last month a world-wide survey was conducted by
    the UN

    The survey was a massive failure because of the following:

    1. In Eastern Europe they didn’t know what “honest” meant.

    2. In Western Europe they didn’t know what “shortage” meant.

    3. In Africa they didn’t know what “food” meant.

    4. In China they didn’t know what “opinion” meant.

    5. In the Middle East they didn’t know what “solution” meant.

    6. In South America they didn’t know what “please” meant.

    7. In the USA they didn’t know what “the rest of the world” meant.

    8. In the UK they hung up as soon as they heard the Indian accent.

    PS-In sannyas circles, they didnot know what speaking meant( In silence is the state)

  255. Chinmaya says:

    Hahahahahahaha

    Always, the thread is initiated touching Osho topic, and start swinging to utmost unwanted narrations by regular expertise visitors with materials with their rhym and fancies.

    Cheers

  256. Lokesh says:

    Yes, Shantam, that is all very well and I know you are the chump….I mean champ….I wonder why I keep getting those words mixed up.
    Anyway, you’ll be glad to know I have had my scrotum stapled together by a charming lady doctor in Ibiza. Quite an experience I tell you and not without discomfort. Please don’t try blowing up your scrotum with a straw unless under the guidance of a professional.
    I wonder what would happen if I used nitrous oxide to inflate my wee sack. Now that is an interesting idea. If it was good enough for Osho it is good enough for me.
    Just goes to show what an inspiration SN is.

  257. Lokesh says:

    Chinmaya is back. I wondered what was knocking my bullshit meter into the red. Please don’t tell him about the inflated scrotum trick or the imbecile might do the same damage to himself that I did,
    I do hope the contents of my posts isn’t upsetting any of those young seekers that Shantam has been picking up on Facebook. Please, if any of you youngsters read this please don’t try it at home and if you do make sure you do it under the responsible supervision of an adult..

  258. oshobob says:

    here’s a story that just popped up on the radar screen today that i’m sure will generate some interest…

    Apple Corp, the creator of iTunes, the music mp3 downloading store online, just sent me an email this morning, saying that all of the Beatles songs and albums, which have previously been unavailabe on iTunes since its creation, are now available for purchase.

    This is another “copyright” and “trademark”
    story, which always seems to stir up a polarized discussion amongst the Osho crowd.

    The original problem, as far as I remember, was of a trademark dispute between Apple Corp in the states, and Apple Records in the UK, which was the Beatles record company created over 40 years ago. I think it was Apple Records who sued Apple computers over a trademark violation on the word “Apple”, and this spilled over into them not allowing the Beatles songs to be sold over the iTunes store.

    Well, it looks like a deal has been cut, and the adversaries have now joined forces. Maybe this could be a model for the Osho factions to come to some amicable agreement on the subject of the Osho material, that never ending football being kicked backed and forth in the courts and online circus rings…

    ‘…for the benefit of Mr. Kite, there will be a show tonite, on trampoline….”

  259. frank says:

    started off from humble surroundings…
    shot to worldwide fame,loads of young fans,ran into trouble with some big religion in the states,hit the drugs big time……..
    the interesting ones died…
    only the idiots left…

    now,that story has a familiar ring to it…..

  260. frank says:

    ah yes,the beatles.
    i must confess…
    i never liked the beatles.
    even their psychedelic stuff….
    ok it was psychedelic in a kind of “pop goes the weasel” on acid,kind of way…..

    “semolina pilchards climbing up the eiffel tower”?

    could have been a shantam number …

  261. Lokesh says:

    I thought Michael Jackson owned the beatles back catalogue…oh, just remebered he moonwalked off the stage forever.
    I reckon all the great songs have been written…now is the time of the technicians to pump the old tunes up.
    Here is a re-rub of The beatles ‘Come Together’ that just came out. One can of course compare it to the original but I actually like this…more interesting.
    Check it…
    http://soundcloud.com/a-skillz/come-together-a-skillz-remix

  262. oshobob says:

    funny clothes,
    acid,
    sexual revolution,
    journey to India for guru and meditation,
    splintered break-up,
    big money fights,
    ego battles,
    legal battles,
    hidden agendas,
    lots of music,

    and,

    still in the news after all these years….

  263. Lokesh says:

    I was always a Stones fan myself…still am if I get a chance to see them. Here is a remix of Sympathy for El Diablo….dynamito!

    http://soundcloud.com/fernando-picon/rolling-stones-sympathy-4-dd-fernando-picon-remix

  264. oshobob says:

    it was a part of a time of cultural rethinking worldwide,
    Sw. Paritosh highlighted this point well in his book, LIfe of Osho, as i remember, when i read it online.

    in China, the era was actually called the Cultural Revolution…1966-76. A story probably more extensive than all that happened in the West, but not given the media coverage (in the West, anyway).

    From the other side, the Chinese never even heard of the Beatles or Stones. I had a friend here in the states who worked on a collective farm in Gansu Province in China during this time….I asked him if he had ever heard of the Beatles, he just looked at me in disbelief, “never heard of them, then, or now…what are they…?”

    maybe it was that “…and if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain’t gonna make it with anyone anyhow….” the chinese didn’t care for…..

  265. oshobob says:

    frank,
    it’s true, a lot of worthless gibberish in many of those beatles songs, being taken in as “very deep stuff” by gullible listeners, but john lennon, to his credit, copped to most of that in interviews…he admitted
    that he
    picked lyrics up from here, there, and anywhere, and they didn’t mean anything at all really.

    not much different than many of the posts here at sannyasnews, and not only shantam….there are others…will this stuff go down in history as great literature…i have my doubts.

  266. Swami Gump says:

    Hello my dear ones, Lokesh, Shantam, Bubbie, Anugarh, Lokesh, Satya Deva

    Thanks for keeping the forum alive…

    Love to you all.

    Forest Gump ( Now Swami Gump)

  267. Alok john says:

    I was 12 or 13 when the Beatles became famous and I really liked them at the time, but now i really dislike them. Once I heard their music described as sad.

    Same with the Stones, though I have gone off of them as much as I did the Beatles. Well “it’s only rock and roll..” (Stones music is not sad.)

    Did you know Mick Jagger has been knighted by the queen…it is Sir Mick Jagger now. He once employed a nanny who was later dismissed for child abuse.

    I used to love Bob Dylan but I don’t really play him now.

  268. Alok john says:

    Same with the Stones, though I have NOT gone off of them as much as I did the Beatles

  269. frank says:

    bob,
    we dont have millions of screaming fans here at jackass,either…
    but imagine….
    shantam desperately holding onto his chuddies as he is swamped by a crowd of screeching hormonally-insane teenage girls…..
    (down boy)
    or satya deva,veteran of the kent state riots, having his hair ripped out and sucumbing to a gang of girl fans who break through police lines…….

    it might easily happen when the poles shift in 2012….
    dont be so cynical….

  270. Shantam says:

    Bob, i have such a limited vocabulary and a repetition of the style, nothing more than a sub standard newspaper columnist, so a great literary giant i don´t think i can be. I am not that Neptunian like a Satsang giver who thinks to change the wheel of religiosity..
    But Yes..If Life after Osho will have some importance to the future generation, our notes at Snews can shed more light over the mind and times of Osho Seekers,
    And Shantam may be remembered as some small fry who tried to paint the picture without malice, favour and fear, when the big top guns were making their pants wet; with fear, with compromise with lustful mind pretending to be No mind..

    Just hours ago, i read the bio of one of the most closest disciple of Osho at facebook. She looks sweet and soft, but i was little astonished that she has not mentioned that part with Osho, which goes beyond 1990.
    I mean, it is a common and well established norm of spiritual schools that Master´s last words and wishes are taken as a command for the life. People give their best to strive that assignment…
    But seems like stories were of different times, we live in a different world; world of fast forward growth, and wihtout thinking whether we are pushing the button Reverse.

  271. frank says:

    re cultural revolution…
    a friend of mine years ago told me a story about when he worked for a multinational,back in the early 70s,i think.
    he was some kind of engineer.
    anyway,one day ,they got two chinese guys fresh from china moved to his firm and working with him.
    they came to work dressed in the classic full blue denim/serge outfit that the chinese all wore in those days.
    after a couple of days,my friend took these guys aside and explained to them it was ok to dress a bit different,here in the west everyone could dress individually and so on,and he recommended some shops and styles etc.
    the guys were keen and took his advice.
    the next day when they showed up for work,they were dressed in trendy clothes,coloured flowery shirts,big collars(this is the 70s)flared trousers and heels
    –completely identically.

  272. Shantam says:

    Alok John, what do you think about Snatam Kaur and Deva Primal kind of music?
    Someone at snews has called such music as Toilet Music. May be the constipated nerves feel relaxed with such music, so the name was given.

  273. Alok john says:

    Well Deva Premal is okay if I am in the mood, though I wouldn’t spend money on a CD.

    I really prefer Miten’s earlier music. I do like Osho devotional music once in a while, the music from Pune 1 and the Ranch.

    However I am getting old and most of the time I like silence!

  274. prem bubbie says:

    Nice to have you back A.J. but please, keep the dialogue with Shantam to a minimum, he has a tendency to blow a head gasket when his throttle is opened. well, tallyho, pip pip and all of that jazz.

  275. prem bubbie says:

    all of that gibberish the Beatles had in their songs… one wonders if osho got his gibberish meditation idea from them…. At least the beatles are pioneers, good old English ingenuity.

  276. Alok john says:

    I am very fond of Anubhava’s, Peter Makena’s, The Universe, which was unforgettably sung as the Old Boy’s body was burnt.

    Here it is

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    but you do have to be in the mood.

    Sw Arun has a lovely collection of songs he uses for sannyas initiation including The Universe.

  277. frank says:

    what about you bubbs..?
    dr feelgood,the jam the clash,billy idol..
    a pot of glue…
    lick a few 12 volt batteries…?

  278. prem bubbie says:

    Just read a story in today’s news; a fake doctor was busted the other day for giving mammograms to women in a local pub… I immediately thought of shantam… wonder why?

  279. prem bubbie says:

    Sham 69… an oldie but goody- “It’s a rip off for you, a rolls for them”. The Vibrators, X-Ray Spex… The Ramones, Dead Kennedy’s – “Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables”(very app here). Yes, super-charged 12 volt jolting music with a can of “Jolt” in the morning… Say, pass the ‘ludes please.

  280. oshobob says:

    shantam, your vocabulary is actually quite good, and there are some clear gems embedded in your curry-based metaphors…don’t let these guys bang you down, hang tough, bro’…martyn is the guy who really has some abtruse posts — i’m still trying to comprehend his ‘vegitarian/eat you’ metaphors…maybe it’s a british thing…

    yes, good to hear from you again alok, a voice of level-headed reason in this alice in wonderland world…any more good stories from the bunkers…?

    frank,
    eastern collectivism vs. western individualism….maybe there will never be an understanding here on this one. don’t know.

  281. prem bubbie says:

    ‘ludes and a bottle of Jack’s- now that’s a way to spend an evening!!! Gibberish- What gibberish? You can call it “The Mumbling and Drooling Meditation”.

  282. prem bubbie says:

    Collectivism needs a hierarchical structure, hence individualism is involved… some ego maniac(s) declare themselves leader(s)…. and away it goes… bob, we’ve been hammering the pune1-3 ranch and resort and present ashram crowd, for how long now? These are/were supposed to be the crem de la crem of communalism… just another way for some with overblown egos to dominate.

  283. oshobob says:

    sad but true, bubbs, sad but true.

  284. frank says:

    the wonder and terror of infinity..
    that every thing must eventually become its opposite…

  285. frank says:

    chinamen will start doing their own thing…
    japs will start individuating….
    indians will learn to play football….
    germans will a load of fun to be around…
    english will be a dead language…

  286. oshobob says:

    yes, who knows they how these mysteries work,

    and talking about this movement to the opposite and language,

    maybe one day i will become a lover of the French culture, who knows(!)….someone told me the English language has something like 70% of its words derived from the French. I didn’t believe it, but discounting the fact that a lot of these words originated from other languages (Latin, Greek, etc), the claim appears to hold water. surprised me.

  287. Shantam says:

    eastern collectivism vs. western individualism

    from craddle till the grave, western individualism is organised, goverend and ruled by the doctrines of collective management, the complete and strict dictates of laws, from pre school till the university, from a corner kiosk till the great corporations, and all the working life is ruled not by the individual talent but the degrees and required diplomas from certifed instituions..

    Yes..there is unprecedented liberty to chose and discard the sexual partners at will, here state has no role, individual will is not dictated by the social norms.

    Few years ago, when Bennetone gave the provocative ad with similar slogan, ” only the girls in the pram have their virginity intact”, there was a big war cry against this, but somewhere the punch was pointing the finger towards something..

    Portrait of a VERY modern 14-year-oldShe’s got two tattoos, body piercings, drinks alcohol and sleeps with boys (and the middle-class mother who allows it all to happen)

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1330689/Portrait-VERY-modern-14-year-old-Tattoos-piercings-drinking-alcohol.html#ixzz15lhPuPSV

  288. prem bubbie says:

    Shantam- what are you mumbling about , AGAIN? Say, what is the Indian equivalent of Jack’s and ‘ludes? Shantam, time for detox!!

  289. Shantam says:

    Without doubt, individualism is a quite an evolutionary stage compared to the cavemen and tribal mentality, thanks to the prosperity generated by the science and technology which was possible because the Christian beliefs created an atmosphere of social stability and a moral framework, the way it is in the kingdom of God, same on the earth, kind of approach…

    But is this the end, where we stand now?
    Can someone from the west visualise the next steps in the evolutionary journey…..

  290. frank says:

    bob,
    it is true about the english language being 70% french.
    the remains of the anglosaxon language in english is sparse and basic..
    for example,fuck,shit,bollocks,wank,arse,doof,nrrrrgh,doh….
    whereas the french based words are ,for example,
    individuality,collectivity,opposite,infinity,movement and language,for a few….

  291. frank says:

    the more educated you are,the more french-origin words you will know and use.
    there is some correlation between this and the english class system,which roughly speaking,developed when the ruling class spoke french and the regular doofers spoke anglosaxon.
    and if you wanted to “get on in the world” and become a gentleman(gentil-homme)you had to learn french.

  292. frank says:

    shantam,
    the next step in the evolutionary journey?
    cancelling your subscription to the daily mail could be a start….

  293. prem martyn says:

    bob im not abstruse but i can be a cucumber in the garage if you really want me to be

    some of my posts are just ongoing in jokes aimed at the same readers….

    so the veg one may be tricky at first reading…
    still i will always try to explain

    and in understanding things i remember the old wise words i first heard in the osho albania centre:

    ‘ feed the cakes to the fish and not the speckled goat….’

  294. Satya Deva says:

    Re Beatles/Stones, for me the Stones are basically about pretty raw sex and excitement, including anger and a generally macho line…All fine and dandy, but ultimately kinda shallow. Can’t quite conceive their stuff lasting long into future generations somehow…

    Beatles, however, score heavily on melody, intimacy, love and joy, as well as sex ‘n’ excitement. Overall, more depth in there for me.

    They were the major soundtrack of my youth anyway and I can imagine their work lasting a very long time, esp as their appeal seems universal, spanning the generations,.

    Their appeal transcends generations

  295. prem martyn says:

    when the shit went down at altamont, the stones no longer believed in promoting a counter culture..if they ever did…. shocked into realizing the attraction they held from a degenerate fan base they took their show into the realms of performace art .. with a degree of cynicism that suits all of them… mick is the role model for who exactly ?

    your office manager
    your bank official
    your prime minister

  296. oshobob says:

    martyn,
    reminds me, a few years back, the Chinese government invited/allowed the Stones to play a concert in Shanghai, in an effort to give the appearance of showing the ‘global community’ that it was not necessarily averse to western culture and a ‘closed society’.

    i tried to follow the story it in the media — very curious about what it really was all about. In the end, all that came out was that it was a very controlled affair, obviously — no Chinese locals were lining up to buy tickets, as the normal box office scene would be. The post show report described the audience as a bunch of British bank managers and their Chinese ‘girlfriends’. You can just see it, can’t you?Must have been almost surreal.

  297. oshobob says:

    i wondered what those Chinese ‘girlfriends’ thought when they looked at the faces up there on stage — monsters maybe. I, mean, some of those guys look downright scary at age 70. Can you really blame the Chinese for thinking their “barbarian” perceptions of westerners. As the girls turn to their dates and ask, “Are they really human, or…do they come from a zoo in England, maybe…?”

  298. prem bubbie says:

    I do remember something about that… The Commie Pinko Chink Bastards told the Stones not to perform certain songs… don’t remember the result… nice capitalists-commie censoring pig fuck-heads… Hey Frank– do i pass as an Anglo-Saxon?

  299. prem bubbie says:

    Hey Shantam Shit for-Brains… Individuality is ingrained in all animals… humans did not evolve into individuals. If you didn’t have your Stupid Sikh Frozen Custard Cone turban stuck up your ass you might have discovered that long ago…. fffeeewwww!!!… Am I in the WASP club yet, frank? How much more? I’m beginning to enjoy this….

  300. prem bubbie says:

    I understand that Mick “Wax Lips” Jagger dabbed into Zen for a short while. He even as far as wearing a “mala”; just the basic japanese lacquered cherry wood beads.

  301. Shantam says:

    AT Frank´s recommandation, i start my day not from dailymail but from Independent(thinking men´s newspaper, what kind of women read idependent, no idea, it was long long ago, i have seen some British women)
    most viewed news is-The 50 best curry houses

    They cook curry for pounds, east meets west.
    You go to learn yoga and meditation, they come to get M.BA´s, East meet west.

    Never heard a single Asian, from far east to middle east who is not complaining about the life in the west, yet they give all their best to be here, East meet West.

    Hardly seen a single Indian guru and sub gurus, whose EGO is not puffed to have the western disciples, East meet West..

  302. Shantam says:

    No-Thought for the Day ®Copyright © 2010 Osho International Foundation

    It is the stretched soul that makes music.
    And souls are stretched by the pull of opposites — opposite points, tastes, yearnings, loyalties. Where there is no polarity, where energies flow smoothly in one direction, there will be much doing but no music, much noise but no music.
    The music is created by the meeting of silence and sound,
    the music is created by the polar opposites.

  303. Shantam says:

    Archbishop of Canterbury warns Anglicans to brace for shortage of vicars because of exodus to Catholic church

    To see these Dalai Lama´s of Christianity and read their thoughts, one thing comes in my mind, what a blessing it is for the people to read and listen Osho..

    Soul gets enouragement to chalk its own course, go where the wind takes..

    Osho has the power punch, just one needs to throw Dr Rowan Williams kind of Dr. Amrito´s in the garbage bin..

    A Master can live through His dsiciples but not through the disciples who claim to know better…
    A single person claiming to be all the organs of a master is catastrophic, is anti growth, is unnatural..

  304. Lokesh says:

    Talking about how French helped create English, this Mc Solaar song captures the spirit.

    Lyrics to Le Nouveau Western :
    Le vent souffle en Arizona

    Un état d’Amériques dans lequel Harry Zona

    Cow-boy dingue du bang bang du flingue

    De l’arme, du cheval et de quoi faire la bringue

    Poursuivi par Smith & Wesson

    Colt, Derringer, Winchester & Remington

    Il erre dans les plaines, fier, solitaire

    Son cheval est son partenaire

    Parfois, il rencontre des indiens

    Mais la ruée vers l’or est son seul dessein

    Sa vie suit un cours que l’on connaît par coeur

    La rivière sans retour d’Otto Premiger

    Tandis que John Wayne est looké à la Luky Luke

    Propre comme un archiduc. Oncle Sam me dupe

    Hollywood nous berne, Hollywood berne !

    Dans la vie de tous les jours comme dans

    Les nouveaux westerns

    On dit gare au gorille, mais gare à Gary Cooper

    Le western moderne est installé dans le secteur

    Quand la ville dort: les trains ne sifflent pas

    Les Sept Mercenaires n’ont pas l’once d’un combat

    Harry désormais est proche de gare de l’Est

    Il saute les époques et les lieux pour un nouveau Far-West

    Les saloons sont des bistrots, on y vend des clopes

    Pas de la chique, du top ! Du CinémaScope

    Il entre dans le bar, commande un indien

    Scalpe la mousse, boit, repose le verre sur le zinc

    Une deux chevaux se parque, saouls, des types se beignent

    Pour des motifs futiles comme dans

    Les nouveaux westerns

    Les States sont comme une sorte de multinationale

    Elle exporte le western et son monde féodal

    Dicte le bien, le mal, Lucky Luke et les Dalton

    Sont camouflés en Paul Smith’s et Wesson

    On dit que ce qui compte c’est le décor

    L’habit ne fait pas l’moine dans la ruée vers l’or

    Dès lors les techniques se perfectionnent

    La carte à puce remplace le Remington

    Mais Harry à Paris n’a pas eu de chance

    On le stoppe sur le périph’ avec sa diligence

    Puis on le place à Fresnes pour que Fresnes le freine

    Victime des directives de ce que l’on appelle

    Le nouveau western

    Parfois la vie ressemble à une balle perdue

    Dans le système moderne se noie l’individu

    Pour rester lucide il s’abreuvait de Brandy

    Désormais on brandit, télé shit et baby

    Blanche est la Chevauchée Fantastique

    Toujours à contre jour, c’est bien moins héroïque

    Dans le monde du rêve on termine par un “happy end”

    Est-ce aussi le cas dans ce que l’on nomme

    And for those interested in a wonderful man’s life look no further than the vid on this link about Jamyang Lodro.
    http://www.rememberingthemasters.org/

  305. Shantam says:

    “Since the time of Buddha Shakyamuni himself, there has been a strong Buddhist tradition of recollecting the lives of great teachers and practitioners, both as a mark of gratitude and appreciation and as a source of inspiration from which we may still learn.”

    His Holiness The 14th Dalai Lama, in the foreword to ‘Brilliant Moon’, the autobiography of Kyabje Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche

    The grass looks greener on another side of the fence..
    It is almost impossible to find great men and women in one´s own tribe…
    atleast this is the Tao of Sannyas..

  306. Shantam says:

    Has someone ever wonder, billions and billions of souls in all these centruires have not seen Buddha or Jesus, it is only through the idolization of otthers, some romantic fictions told as historical facts that people felt solace, power and a bond was created for life…
    Thousands and thousands of people have lived in the presence of Osho, and still hearts feel hesittaion to relate with this man, who died just 20 years ago….
    His photos and relics have been disposed of, the way someone dies in the old people´s home…

  307. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, a wee quote from my first book is in order…to give different reflection to that posted above.

    You say, Thousands and thousands of people have lived in the presence of Osho, and still hearts feel hesittaion to relate with this man, who died just 20 years ago….

    Luke Mitchell says, ‘However, the master’s rebellious spirit would live on unabated as a palpable presence in his life and others like him all over the world.’

  308. Shantam says:

    In North India, it is one of the most common slogan when any leader of differanr stature and of any branch dies-
    Jab Tak Suraj Chand rahega..
    (Abc)…… Tera Naam Rahega

    As Long as sun and moon will remain
    (Abc) so long yor name will remain

    Similarly, every prime Minster or President´s office has a cyclostyled format to remember one of the thousands Abc´s born during any day of the year..

    On this day of …..Abc´´s brithday i share my best wishes with the followers of Abc and i hope we will be able to follow the path shown by that great soul of our nation.

    Osho´s rebellious spirit will work fully when it is not just to catch the people, who are any way discontented with the mass organised religions but to offer them a better alternative, the way Osho has tried himself.

  309. bob says:

    norman conquest of england 1066 – french viking crossaint eaters v. anglo-saxon doofuses

    chinese invasion of tibet 1959 – maoist commie cadres v. buddhist bullfrog chanters

    british invasion of america 1963 – beatles and stones v. burl ives and king elvis

    shantam storms the Gateless Gate in Pune 2012 – shantam “the bull” Sikh v. judeao/christian based gang of two

    place your bets now, folks.

  310. Lokesh says:

    I’ll put everything I’ve got on The Gang of Two at even money.

  311. Satya Deva says:

    See the latest topic thread, just put up here…

    In a way, little further comment needed, perhaps?!