I have often wondered how Sufism has continued under the umbrella of Islam. Some say that Sufism predated Islam, and somehow just adapted to survive. No matter, clearly when truth raises its head (as here in 1661) above the parapet, they get short shrift. Here below is Osho’s account of Sarmad’s death in the Delhi mosque. One might ask even more today than then, what is to be done in the face of such perennial fanaticism? (Parmartha)
Sarmad. … He was a Sufi, and he was murdered in a mosque by order of the Mohammedan king. He was murdered simply because of a particular Mohammedan sutra, one of their prayers. The prayer is: “Allah la il allah – Allah, God, is the only God.” And that is not enough for them; they want something more. They want to declare to the world that Mohammed is the only prophet of God: “Allah la il allah; mohammed bismillah. God is the only God, and Mohammed is the only prophet of God.”
The tomb of Sarmad in Delhi
Sufis deny the second part, that Mohammed is the only prophet of God. That was the sin of Sarmad. Obviously nobody can be the only prophet; nobody absolutely can be the only one – neither Mohammed, nor Jesus, nor Moses, nor Buddha. Sarmad was killed, murdered, butchered, by the Mohammedan king of India, in conspiracy with the Mohammedan priests. But he laughed, and said, “Even after my death I will say the same thing: Allah la il allah – God is the only God.”
The great mosque in Delhi, Jama Masjid, where Sarmad was killed, is still standing, a monument to this great man. He was killed in a very inhuman way: just his head was cut off. His head rolled down the steps of the Jama mosque. The thousands who had gathered there heard the head rolling down the steps clearly shouting, “Allah la il allah – God is the only God….”
I don’t know whether the story is true or not, but it must be. It has to be. Even truth has to compromise with a man like Sarmad. I love Sarmad. He has not written any book, but his statements have been compiled and the most significant is: God is the only God, and there is no prophet, there is no one between you and God. There is no mediator, God is immediately available. Just all that is needed is a little madness and a lot of meditation. (Osho)
Isn’t it an irony that his (Osho’s) own people have become fanatical? God save me/us from these persons, if possible!
Love it, Kavita, that you opened up this new-old ride of another wave, and the way you did it.
Felt more like a tightrope walker today, getting my shopping done with the bike on slippery, snowy-rainy roads, more than less into an open mental city asylum of stalkers and non-stalkers (few) – and sorry to say, that these last days of ´carnival´ do not at all have the flavour and beauty of what Tantan was posting (a glimpse of…).
However, I ever was and am impressed by Beings who made it clear, as very honourable ancestors, that there is no need of a mediator. That some of those had to face murder is indigestible.
Those have been utterly rare and will be rare, I guess. Embodying that, I mean. Very extraordinary-ordinary.
Madhu
Madhu, thanks.
They were very great men of unbelievable courage.
Many thought as much as them I am sure, but very few risked publicly acknowledging it. Because of them and their persecutions, sometimes even unto death, autocracies within religion and politics were shaken and chinks of light began to emerge. This enabled the empowerment of many more of mankind than had hitherto been the case.
No intermediator between you and God. And today it still has to be said again and again to and in all religions.
“However, I ever was and am impressed by Beings who made it clear, as very honourable ancestors, that there is no need of a mediator. That some of those had to face murder is indigestible.
Those have been utterly rare and will be rare, I guess. Embodying that, I mean. Very extraordinary-ordinary.”
Yes, Madhu, do agree with you totally.
My experience with Islam (mostly Sufi and Sunni) confirms that Islam is a religion of peace. Of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims only a few engaging in terrorism have hijacked the religion. Those few have confused the greater jihad with the lesser jihad, and committed violence in the name of Allah.
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9
The very small extremist violent minority gets media attention that promotes bias against Muslims. As a neo-sannyasin I know how media can distort – and thereby engender bias, hatred, and violence. The media was doing that to neo-sannyasins long before the denouement of Rajneeshpuram, where a small minority engaged in terrorism and tainted the image of Osho and all neo-sannyasins.
Osho is remembering Sarmad. Though I do not share their theology, I remember the 1.6 billion Muslims who are peacefully living their lives.
The quietude of 1.6 billion Muslims blows off my ears. They have to be a little more brave, and speak, so they are heard in the face of the fanatics. People like Sarmad are so very rare.
There is no quietude. Since the attack on the Twin Towers I have read hundreds (literally hundreds) of statements from Imams and Muslim organizations condemning terrorism. And more such statements after other attacks (Paris, Madrid, etc.) – the soul of Islam is being claimed by moderates.
http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html
Less frequently do I encounter statements from the West condemning western terrorism, invasions, bombings, occupations, drone strikes, etc. of middle eastern nations.
There still are brave individuals who non-violently confront extremist violence, for example James Twyman.
“James Twyman, of Portland, Ore., told FoxNews.com he feels a “calling” and believes he can soften the hearts of the Islamist army known for beheading Westerners, throwing gays off of buildings and summarily executing innocent women and children.
“It’s going to be pretty powerful,” Twyman said, referring to his plan to have those attending and others around the world sing and pray for peace at the same time. “When people come together and focus on something in a positive way…there’s scientific evidence that it can change things for the better.
The author and self-styled “Peace Troubadour” has put traditional prayers from various faiths to song. Twyman performed in Baghdad in the late 1990s after Operation Desert Storm; in Bosnia and Croatia during the Balkan War in 1995 and has even performed previously in Syria to spread his message of peace through song.”
http://bit.ly/1T1aPyR
http://bit.ly/1L1Fnsy
A recent survey in the USA found that one in three young Muslims thought that IS was a good thing. Mind you, it could have been Donald Trump who paid for the survey.
My point is the idea that Islam is being hijacked by a tiny majority is not entirely accurate.
I can only speak from my UK experience, Samarpan. Yours may be different, wherever you are.
I can’t name one Muslim who seems to really stick his neck out in the UK. In the northern cities of the UK, certainly, as Lokesh says somewhere, there are surveys which have shown 1 in 3 Muslims sympathise with ISIS.
Perhaps you and Lokesh are correct. It is what it is. Or as someone once said: you reap what you sow.
Well, Sammy, it may well be a case of what is is, but I find that does not correspond to your statement:
“Since the attack on the Twin Towers I have read hundreds (literally hundreds) of statements from Imams and Muslim organizations condemning terrorism.”
Which you must admit does not exactly present a balanced viewpoint.
Well, Lokie, maybe that is because there is no balance. The vast majority of the 1.6 billion Muslims are not out chopping off heads. They are moderates, calling for peace, condemning violence, trying to take back Islam from a small minority who have hijacked it.
If among the “young Muslims, 1 in 3 sympathise”, that may mean they understand the motivations of violent extremists but choose not to emulate them.
Be glad there is no “balance.” Even 1 in 3, or 500 million chopping off heads would be problematic. It’s more like 1 in 99,999 who engage in violence and only then in retaliation for years of bombing, invasion and occupation by western forces in their lands.
No arguing with this, but bear in mind as great a proportion of westerners are peaceful, as you say Muslims are.
PM enquires, “What is to be done in the face of such perennial fanaticism?”
What else can one do other than watch? I am often shocked about the power of the subconscious mind. Most of our conditioning is created within the first six years of our lives and then 90% of that conditioning manipulates us and then, for the most part, we remain unaware of that conditioning. Problem is, a lot of that conditioning is obsolete and extremely negative.
Ask the average person who they are and they will either think you are mad for asking, or tell you they are their thoughts etc. Most people have almost no awareness that they might not be who they think they are. The sleeping humanity snores on. It is difficult enough having to deal with unconscious people in everyday situations, but what about when fanatics want to impose their religious ideas upon you? It is a big question.
This is a good thread. One of the more interesting ones posted in some time, because it is very relevant to the world we live in today. Islam is rising and the Christians are mobilizing. I was just reading a Gurdjieff quote an hour ago: there was only one Christian, called Jesus.
Meanwhile, a growing number of Islamic fundamentalists think it is a great idea to have everyone living under Sharia law. They believe it so strongly that they will gladly take your life if you disagree with them. On the other hand, a culture composed entirely of materialistic values that oppose the idea that you are in fact consciousness trapped, living, experiencing the world of limitations in a human form is going off big-time in a street near you.
Sleeping people can be very dangerous and we live in a world of sleeping people. Keep your wits about you. Move quietly. Don’t raise a flag on no ship of fools. Try and meditate a little every day. Maintain a healthy sense of humour. Remember that everything passes and that ultimately one never really knows what is a blessing or a curse. Well…that is one Sufi to another.
This advice from wise Lokesh is as good as some Indian Ayurveda expert talking about prevention from cold, “Wear warm socks. Keep your throat covered. Drink enough water and ginger tea.” You won´t need any medicine!
What we call wisdom is basically a common sense. It is not rocket science. Anyway, who needs rockets? To think more than a car is a wastage. In Ibiza you need just a car!
“What we call wisdom is basically a common sense.”
Yes, but common sense is not so common, in my experiance.
Precisely, Kavita. Which is exactly what my old primary school teacher used to say, 56+ years ago.
Not a lot changes in human nature, does it?
The other part of that is those who are most ready to bandy the phrase around usually don’t have any, and use the expression to support their prejudices.
(Tories believe it’s common sense that those who have enough money to last 1000 years will work harder if they have more, and those who don’t have enough will work harder if they have less).
Don´t degrade “common sense”, Shantam Prem; common sense is missing like anything these times, not to speak of common sensitivity!
And in most of your posts here, you are quite a protagonist of that calamity!
The very content touched here in this topic is a pinnacle of ´common sense´, a universal and a very human intelligence of the heart – beyond intellect!
Madhu
Shantam, if you actually understood that you never really know what is a blessing or a curse your notion that the Resort management needs changing might not appear to be the so very important issue that you imagine it to be…and that is just for starters.
Your tendency to conveniently pigeonhole everything that might threaten your very limited world view is probably one cause of your inability to allow anything new to enter into your thinking and perceptions. And thus you will remain in your ‘stuck record’ reality.
I just cannot bear the common sense thesis of those sleepy ones who think sleeping humanity snores on…
Just because people don´t read your kind of books give no right to condemn humanity and its evolution.
Matter of the fact is, other than Muslims almost everyone else is expanding, evolving in unison. This is already a big awakening that 80% of the humanity has learnt human race is a rainbow kind.
Problem with neo-spiritual people is their highly contaminated arrogance. Here at this portal I see so often, Satyadeva, Lokesh and Bros. have this self-imposed notion, “We are the authentic, clinically tested spirituals.”
This superior notion, in various forms, is the reason of duality and conflicts.
“This superior notion, in various forms, is the reason of duality and conflicts.”
Point taken, Shantam Prem. There´s truly something in it.
As soon as we ´open the window´ to convey this or that, we´ve entered this realm of duality.
However, same words are never the same delivered then by different people with different backgrounds (and habits/patterns).
Mind is very cunning in that game; if there is – so to say – a ´chameleon’ on board (verbally), switching sides, just to have the ´last word´ without profiting of at least a little pause before verbally reacting (if ever there is all possibility you might miss the good effects of the enormous attention you are given here over the time.
Believe it or not (the latter).
Sincerely,
Madhu
Problem with neo-spiritual people is their highly contaminated arrogance. Here at this portal I see so often Shantam has this self-imposed notion, “I am the authentic, clinically tested spiritual.”
Shantam is now channelling mumbo-jumbo, transmitted from bug heads on Planet Plungo.
Can anyone decipher the following?
“Matter of the fact is, other than Muslims, almost everyone else is expanding, evolving in unison. This is already a big awakening that 80% of the humanity has learnt human race is a rainbow kind.”
He obviously has not got the fact that the aliens are playing a joke on him.
No need to strain the ´alien-stuff´, Lokesh, just a nice poker game with the life of others amongst buddies, playing
´House of Cards´ or similar, will also describe what’s going on sometimes.
Just the little exceptional background info from Tantan´s deeper sharing of ´carnival´ in Brazil (?) made some difference on quite another corner…but who knows if some inner circle of UK SN chat members will all book for Kirghistan for an extra whirling session to fix the stand…´that nothing ever matters´ with our whirling champion, Prem Martyn?
Madhu
MOD: SOME EDITING IN ABOVE POST.
WHAT DOES fix the stand MEAN, PLEASE, Madhu?
What that “stand” now in a bit new context means? Maybe practising indifference, using a method to disconnect; that would now get the closest for me
A major problem you have, Shantam, is your strong tendency to downgrade any comments or critical remarks others make of you to the realm of “highly contaminated arrogance” (etc.).
You’ll probably never realise it, but it’s pretty glaringly obvious that this tendency is nothing but a reactive self-defence mechanism, the purpose of which is to keep you in the same old comfort zone you’ve inhabited for a very long time.
By the way, just curious:
Do you know you’re chronically stuck?
Common sense is pretty uncommon!
Thanks, Lokesh, for that contribution which I am sure is very well meant.
Your post gives rise to much thought…but I’ll let it gestate!
I await your response, PM, with bated breath.
Lokie,
I confess, my question, when I look at it again is middle-class, dinner party meaninglessness!
I say. pass the wee triangular sandwiches, there’s a good chap.
Two, three weeks ago, one Italian Ma wrote me on the facebook message, “Do you know something what Osho has said about Muslims?” She reads my posts and sometimes leaves the comments also. I know her from Pune days.
I asked her, “Why are you interested in this?”
She wrote something like, “Many sannyasins in Italy are so eager to welcome Muslims. They are very excited.”
I checked google and found one piece on Osho World about Muslims and Islam. Osho has explained in his way why he avoids them. Why he ignores their holy book.
Parmartha’s view of the parallels between Delhi then and the world of 2016 now is essentially semantic.
Politically, there is nothing to be gained from a fixed position of ‘Us’-and-Themism’. This would be akin to re-inventing the crusades of the mind.
There is plenty to always already answer for in terms of how democracy will and is entering the 21st century without addressing opaque extraneous religion as an underlying or even solid determining theme. It isn’t – it’s solely an effect of other sinister forces.
That there is no developed coherence already amongst the psychologicalised western culture is far more threatening than a mass of imported or exported concerns of concretised belief, at the civic level. The lack of coherence is readily seen in its economic and Darwinian materialism that is incapable of adapting to climate apocalypse and the extermination of species.
Oil and resource wars are a portent of this.
There is plenty to answer for in how or whether civic life is answerable to co-ordinated empowerment and whether we want or can even create the strategies for that.
There is plenty to answer for in terms of analysis of the co-ordinated and strategic politics and investments that underlie the never-ending war scenarios in the Middle East.
The Doom-laden menace of NATO and Russian sabre rattling is playing out in the deserts and Ukraine via proxies. It was the cause of these events, not the result by invasion and re-alignments.
The ISIS military command is composed of ex-Saddam Sunni elite, whom the US-led Iraq, Shia-backed regime was instructed by US policy to remove from their military after invasion.
Billionaire Saudi family supporters of the Sunnis then recreated the military command in the shape of ISIS to prevent Iran exporting Gas through Syria to the EU via Aleppo in a new construction project agreed just prior to the Syrian war, between Syria and Iran.
Understand that consciousness has nothing to do with pipelines of gas and oil traversing all these areas.
The planet is shifting towards apocalyptic changes by the year 2030, through reaching uncontrollable chemical warming.
Our civic response to millions of war refugees, economic migration and integration because of significant wars in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, the Middle East and the Sub-Sahara is determined by political concerns that have no consciousness to handle either the criminality of migration deaths, mass killings etc., nor capable of eliminating the implicit evidenced threat of the criminalised and religious trauma of a mass of goon, traumatised, disempowered, plebean males from the underclass of their own societies, who will need constant policing, both from within and without their own community.
This is left to political chess players to, in turn, rally votes and then to orchestrate economic fascism at an economic level. This is simple politics. Trumpism and Putinism…and Swedish, German, Italian, Greek and French government hand-wringing with an impossible, never-ending task of assimilation, imposition, and re-education of both the domestic and arriving population.
Identity is essential to those who have no ultimate control over their status or society and is always used to sponsor political criminality in society, even as a last and terrible resort through nation state and civil wars.
Therefore those who can be rallied on the ground to kill and die are playing out proletarian politics of survival, not religious ones of faith.
The same proletarian mind governs the string-pullers. The West devolved power to the military, through the military industrial complex, thereby stripping policy of civic involvement. Mecahanised and remote and televisual wars with sanctioned scripting. Vietnam was the last time live reporting by independent reporting remained uncensored. Subsequent wars are all media-filtered. They learned. So did the proxy of Isis-Daesh. This a major issue, for propaganda reasons, amongst all players.
Bataclan, Charlie Hebdo, the Turkish bombings, Tunisia beach bombings, the Egyptian-Russian airliner, and the rest – not forgetting the Twin Towers, London, Madrid and the vulnerability of the civic population – is the contemporary fascism of retribution for which we have no resources in guaranteed zero re-occurrence. And so, like climate change we know it won’t just go away. As such, both corporate and individual terrorism defines the material lack of our salvation or freedom of experience, when we notice or are directly affected by these tragedies.
We as a population, despite our comfort zones, are now directly implicated in policies and their lack that have no capacity for quantum change to transform either material, pyschological or identity-based indolence. We also have a very poor or non-existent intellectual elite when compared to those who formed the philosophical rationale of western humanist and reformational theocracy in preceeding times.
We then must take quantum decisions on our own consciousness, unilaterally, and become the sponsoring change we seek, for ourselves in our immediacy. This does not require time. It is simply a necessary adaptation to the inward governing impulses.
Quantum jump.
This ´bucket´ of ice-cold water, Prem Martyn, you generously, as sometimes, passed over for today, will not only wake up Lao Tzu but will be enough for the whole ´Chuang Te Tzu ´auditorium´.
Having reached my eyes and more, just before going ´outside´ (challenging as ever), and I wonder what kind of companion will be this….
Madhu
P.S:
Promising my legs to take care of my steps as they are not very healthy these days…jumping is out of question since quite a while….
Martyn, impressive writing.
Great, Martyn,
This kind of prose reading is a joy for the eyes and the nerves.
Martyn.
The world was always a form of hell, in the 16th century as now.
I am interested in the ark of consciousness in which less than 0.1 per cent of human beings gravitate. The light that emanates from some such individuals as Sarmad reaches and inspires that very small percentage.
The light that emanates from some such individuals as Sarmad reaches and inspires that very small percentage…
Parmartha, do you know few such individuals as Sarmad in the story?
As I remember, ashes of Osho´s body were not even cooled down, many who could afford started taking flights for Japan, in search of those Zen masters who will push them from the first floor on the Dunlap mattresses and say, “Have you got it?”
If you have met someone who radiates light, your meeting with that fellow will be quite a touching story. I am asking you as I know from your levelheadedness you are not a needy type.
…
Thanks, Anand Anubodh,
Very short and precise as ever since I came to know your kind of blogging in this chat (just a little while, a bit more than two years). Impressive shot, the pic could have been done here.
Madhu
P.S:
However…Arianne Huffington boasted about her online Imperium (2006), that online bloggers really are good in politics, changing the so-called ´world´ better than anyone else.
As they are busy like pit bull terriers, she said, and when those kind of ´journalist freelancers´ go for something, then – if they biting into something – they don´t leave it out of their mouths…till its intentionally ´done´.
At least two sides of any coin, aren’t there?
Thanks, Anubodh!
Parmartha.
I read William Dalrymple’s books years ago, and this extract I found refers to the dichotomy in contemporary Delhi by him:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/oct/30/religion.uk2
He’s ideal for dinner parties…however, the 2006 radio programme is unfindable – but you can have this instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4s-6HCpr1U
And his books are a much much better beguiling mix of historical and travel read than this prog., from what I remember.
Here he mentions Aleppo’s Sufis early on in the prog., which proves that the light gets shat on. And where Georgey Porgy Gurdjieff was trained up by calligraphers and bronze plate panel chisellers (true) (although Terry Jones’s (of Monty P) documentaries’ on the Crusades and medieval history are much more fun.
You know you can go to Kirgistan with Sw Videha every August/Sept if you want to whirl a bit. He has a website. Zahira can’t whirl anymore, unfortunately.
Be loved:
Verb
Is transitive and intransitive…just like meditating.
Cheers
Thanks, Martyn.
This is a wiki entry about our chief guest on this string:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmad_Kashani
Thank you, Shantam, for the wiki link, had only heard about him from Osho in his audio discourses.
Somehow having a little break from the internet which I sometimes enjoy once in awhile .
PM, read your post, 5 February, 2016 at 10:16 am, late in the evening yesterday & was somehow exhausted to respond later this morning. Such very well studied post, deserves attention.
In fact, by chance a dear sannyasin friend is here from Hamburg & we have been talking about the migration situation in Germany a bit. He said, “These migrants don’t want to change their old way of life & this is going to affect everyone’s (living in Germany) life.” Somehow I was left speechless after hearing this, but thought I could share this here now.
Well, talk about Imams, hate, etc…but the ‘thing’ starts at home. I am currently living in UK and know that the third generation Muslims, highly educated, speaking English with posh accent, with great jobs and they go to their country of origin to bring a girl/boy to marry. That is the way the mum/family wants, no chance of marrying a white girl in another religion, or a British Muslim who doesn’t stick to the religion. That is in the UK.
In Brazil there is no chance for this kind of terrorism. Any jihadist would throw their arms and mind and just enjoy the paradise here and now: chikky, chikky, boom, boom….
My impression of Muslims in the UK is that – and put me right, anyone, if I have misunderstood this – that they feel loyalty to Islam before the UK. (Some may even feel torn over their loyalties, but I have never come across a Muslim who identified as British before Muslim; and this is an observation only, not a condemnation).
“Well, talk about Imams, hate, etc…but the ‘thing’ starts at home.”
So very true, Tantan.
Your statement I very much subscribe to, but it reminded me of a time before facebook-time, NSA and similar, and so-called ´cold war issues´ right in midst of our homes, or what we might have called ´home´ (secluded, at least in the European area, that I was born into and by now most of my lifetime have been living in – also a quite protected place (concerning Human Rights) and how very precious was that!
And is gone by now. And I am not talking theoretically here, but have to face it in (all) my body(ies).
You know, I really liked to read your fantasies (and forecast about Brazil) concerning the threat of terrorism; yet it’s more my prayers go in that direction: may what you say there becomes true in reality.
I see a fellow-sister of the warm heart and passionate, giving life the celebration it deserves. Or remember those in the huge breakfast, lunch, dinner area on the Ranch, making music and sharing their rhythm with their metal forks and spoons, the South American corner.
Similarly – btw, I really love to see here in Germany, just to give one example – some young people here, who go by night with a bucket of fresh earth and flower seeds (or even tiny trees and bushes) for an anarchistic secret planting in the deserted asphalt jungle.
There´s truly needed a home as a secluded and also protected privacy to give creativity a ´gestalt´ and more than ever before, this privacy is intruded and invaded. Also by our neighbours – and we really nowadays don´t need to look to ´aliens´ or ´big´ politics to become aware of that and feel it.
With love,
Madhu
Will the Everyone V/s Muslims drama going to be played till the last day of the earth or there can be some visible solution?
Educated, loving and sensitive Muslims must revive the spirit of Sufism. It will be good for them as well as good for Allah´s creation.
Will it realistically be possible is a matter of debate.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3435093/A-world-divided-Violent-clashes-break-globe-thousands-streets-anti-Islam-protests-organised-far-right-group-PEGIDA.html
Perhaps the Book of Revelations got it about right that “the last days” would be marked by international wars, famine, disease, pestilence, floods, earthquakes, civil strife’ (etc.)? (Not to mention our capacity to wipe ourselves out in a matter of hours, or even minutes).
Osho himself warned that the near future times would be “not good”, and back in the early/mid 80s Barry Long was clear that western ‘civilisation’ is ultimately doomed, citing future ever-increasing “paranational terrorism” as a major symptom and contributory factor. And that the media would, of course, be ‘spreading the contagion’ – just as you and the wretched Daily Mail are doing here, Shantam.
Still, I imagine some are managing to do pretty well from it all – I bet the Jehovah’s Witnesses, for instance, are doing a roaring trade…
It’s virtually impossible to see any solution or improvement in our lifetimes. So perhaps it’s best to not dwell too much on it all, and simply get on with one’s life. As, thankfully, life goes on….
Aleppo, one of the oldest cities in the world, always had a large Sufi quarter when Syria was a secular country. Now the city is a temple of total ruin. And most of the population has left, in fear of being butchered as Assad’s troops roll back in this weekend, and being accused of “co-operating” with the caliphate.
I blame the ‘Arab Spring’ as a main cause. Totally misunderstood by the West, it was a cover for the arising of militant fundamentalism. And western intelligence agencies totally underestimated the resolve of Assad’s ruling elite.
Now millions have been displaced and Europe is being breached, all the result of two enormous intelligence failures. It is highly unlikely that these Moslems will adapt to the German way of life, any more than those who came over years to the UK have adapted to the British way of life, etc. Is it “the end of days”?
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/20/the-us-hand-in-the-syrian-mess/
The role of terrorism to sponsor international policy is a recurring fascist theme… One mind , many flags..
Yes, Parmartha,
Reminding me of my shock-frozen eyes, seeing the destruction of Aleppo´s old and ancient parts of this city and more of the aspects in pretty much realtime modus, and then my thoughts of what made that differ from the destruction of the ancient Bamiyan Buddha statues.
Both of it in nowadays time, we could follow then stunned and shocked in our homes here and elsewhere.
And yes, the difference is, nowadays, that people of that very country and that very culture are indulging into that kind of destruction and even posting proud selfies while doing it.
No, I don´t think it’s “the end of days” because that would be in my eyes too much of a Jehovah´s clan statement. But it’s surely of inconceivable madness and collective sickness.
It is said too, as if there would be even the slightest amount of consolation in it, that science developed so far in digital compiling that these pieces of art could and can be ‘reconstructed’ in a fabulous 3D Light-Show. And that people are already making that happen (here).
That – for me – was sick too.
Madhu
“Hey, Mr. Existence, why you are not obeying the execution orders signed jointly by 20th century gurus, can you tell us why?”
“What you are speaking, guys?” answered the voice from the sky.
“That international wars, famine, disease, pestilence, floods, civil strife etc. will wipe out two thirds of the world population, that western civilization will breathe its last because too much homosexuality and naked women on the beaches.”
God listened attentively and then asked Soul transporter, Yama, “Have you any idea who these gurus were?”
Oh, oh, Shantam is hearing voices in the sky. Must have been a bit of ergot fungus on that mouldy rye bread he bought from the Lidl sell-by bargain box.
Lokesh, I hope you know the distinction between creating fiction and believing in fictions.
Yes, Shantam, I do. Your comment pretty much sums up your current perspective in that you constantly create fictions and then not only believe in them but somehow hope that others will. Fortunately, most people are not quite that stupid.
Lokesh, your holy mask is slipping. Seems like you wounded pride has got pus! Read your own reaction after washing the face!
It is so easy to observe from the miniature world on this portal, how Bush/Blair collaboration support each other. Basically, Shantam is like Donald Trump here. He does not need money/support from the special interest groups to run his campaign!
Every time Lokesh, SD, Arpana, Tan go berserk, I take it as a compliment.
Shantam declares, “Every time Lokesh, SD, Arpana, Tan go berserk, I take it as a compliment.”
Mmmm…that bad? I have never noticed any of those people going berserk on SN. Could this be some projection from your inner world? Who knows? Who cares? It certainly has not occurred to you yet.
Fresh air breeze, this. Very creatively captured thought, Shantam.
Probably Osho realized this after he made his commune & so told stories of Masters who told his self-realized disciples to go hide themselves! I think & feel that is the true essence of Sufism too.
PM, I was going through your post again.
America is geographically separated from the rest of us & so probably has attained to its political position. I am wondering if they can interdependently include the rest of us in their constituency of their States as well!
Kavita, right now the Americans are struggling to include themselves in their constitution, let alone anyone else.
Yes, Lokesh, & it’s quite obvious now, guess some have to finally pay in some form for everything, however much one may justify one’s (such) action.
I was reading few pages about Sarmad on wikkipedia. One thing was quite striking, he did not go for plea bargain!
Sarmad was a Jew, basically. Why would he go for bargains when it was available for free?
Your wit is really something, sometimes, Kavita!!! If you only could see my face…stopped breathing…then a deep breath following…
Are you belonging to the same ancient ‘family constellation’, btw?
Madhu
Yes, sometimes I am myself wondering, from where it comes?!
No idea, Madhu, but guess I do relate to such, in my own way.
P.S:
Guess we all do.
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Maybe the imminent worldwide spread of the Zika virus is Allah’s way to get women to wear the burka.
Well, Anand Anubodh, the ways to ´make´ women invisible doesn´t need any extra virus, as you also know about, I guess.
Madhu
Wish Allah’s way was men & women both wear burqa!
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