In March, 1986 Osho was arrested in Crete after just two weeks or so in the country. Stirred on by Greek Orthodox archbishops the Greek government decided he was an undesirable – and for much the same reasons as Socrates was poisoned in ancient Athens – corrupting the young through his ideas!
This little known short film below, taken in an impromptu way at the time of his sudden arrest, is superb in that it captures just how the so-called forces of law and order react to just the threat of “ideas” and the being in the moment when someone such as Osho is caught up, without reason, in such a farrago. It is deserving of being more well known, and also of commentary reminder. (Parmartha)
https://www.facebook.com/rajendra.swami.7/videos/887956241261471/?pnref=story
Could anyone here tell me, why that is called ” A Salutary Story” ?
Because, when I used the dictionary ´salutary´is a term for ´healing aspects´of an experience. But being present then and there and up to this very moment, I don´t see any ´salutary´ stuff in being shocked to the bones and being violently perpetrated by power mongers of ANY kind.
And, please, Parmartha, what is “a commentary reminder” in that context ?
Madhu
Salutary means in this context, a very unpleasant experience from which lessons can be learned.
Your dictionary is not that good. The word has a broader meaning in colloquial English than that you proffer.
Those who were around Osho at the time were well meaning, and trying to get the show back on the road but they were blind to what had happened on the Ranch. Had Osho gone to Greece or anywhere else in 1981 there would have been no problems. . In a sense his advisors/helpers at that time (late 1985/86) were not worldly wise. Lokesh has pointed this out at various times on SN as well as sannyasnews.
These events in Osho’s life were stressful for him, and arguably not worth the biscuit in the long run as far as his health was concerned.
Things like the short Crete period are relatively unvisited by many Osho/sannyas websites and most, if not all, do not have space for comments, or a liberal approach to comments. That’s all that a commentary reminder means in this context.
Actually if Osho would have gone anywhere in 1981 this would have happened. He should have fought the Indian government first.
Going for a long period of silence and during that time leaving all commune’s administrative authority to Sheela / anyone person was the mistake he made. Very rightly he later didn’t repeat that .I guess its easier to discuss it now than to have lived it then .
Not sure of your meaning Kavita.
Osho’s movement had a relatively unsullied face in 1981. How do you imagine they got into America in that year? Maybe you mean 1986, if so then of course that is exactly what happened. He was trailed around the world visitng I think 21 countries, and none let him in. He himself put a stop to this and told his advisors he was going back to India, after they tried in the last country, Portugal.
Not sure also what you mean by saying he should have fought the Indian government first? When?
Delegating all temporal power to Sheela et al between 1982 and 1985 was certainly a mistake, but as you say easy to say so in retrospect!
Parmartha , Iam saying 1981.
What I heard was that he had some health issues & also there were some legal cases by Shivsena ( local political party ) against him & his organisation which the then ruling party didn’t want to deal with , which led to him to decide to go out of the country , if he had to fight them then and there , & then gone away to some other country & later gone into silence . His work would have not suffered . But maybe his health issue was the main issue for his advisors , anyway there is no sense in speculating the past or the future .
Few days ago I have seen this video first time on Rajendra Swami’s wall.
It was touching deep inside. Hands went folded to see Osho on screen.
What the world has learnt from Osho’s odyssey, I cannot say, what close disciples have learnt is very obvious-
You take poison
We say Osho OSho
You provoke governments
We say Osho Osho
You give talks
We love talks
you got awakened
We will be soon enlightened
Not a big thing
.
Osho Osho!
Many questions to you Shantam Prem about your comment at 7.18 am.
- what is a close or not-close disciple for you ?
- who took poison ?
- who are the ´we´for you , to say, ´Osho, OSho´ ?
- who is provoking goverments and who you think , are those, to combine that with ´Osho, Osho´?
- who is it , to love talks and loves to listen ?
- who is the ´you´ for you , who got awakened?
- who is the ´we ´to become soon enlightened ?
- and who is the one , to crown that compilation with an ´Osho Osho !´ ?
You see, your lines of this morning lead me to a bunch of open questions
Looking forward to your response
Sincerely
Madhu
Dear Madhu,
Irony, poetry and Revenge (IRP) taste good when served cold!
On second thought, I feel irony fits quite well to collective Sannyas mind. You are free to say, “We don´t have the mind, we are no-mind.”
One of the biggest dilemmas of sannyasins is that they think they are living in the world of beyond gravitational pull.
It is like a constipated body starts thinking, “Shit is not part of my vocabulary!”
What you here call “to get a show back on the road”, dear Sannyas News, was for me , and the friends , I met there and then, a possibility to sit in Meditation with a Beloved Being (not on a video screen and in a beautiful garden) and celebrate Life as such. So simple as that.
Re ´Liberalism´, ´Freedom of Speech´, yes even ´Freedom of just expressing Thinking´, some of Osho´s ´world tour calamities seem to have forecasted shocking news about , let us say, the murder of Charlie Hebdo caricaturists, who – by the way – up to them being murdered brutally – have been pretty unknown on a brought scale in Europe.
Re ´Transparency IN Liberalism´, re for example the bugging games inside the communal affairs , financial transactions, as well as doping issues, I came across to know only decades later, historically as contemporary , I would also say, that such is mirroring the market place to the fullest and up to nowadays, and here-now , or former Sannyas News is no exception.
Re Greece , I could share, that my many visits to that beautiful country in the seventieth´s last century and before sannyas provided me besides its beauty , passion and rebelliousness of its people , also with experiences of its power of orthodox religious fundamentalism, corruption on a very big scale up to in its tiniest villages. According to this , I sincerely doubt , that Osho, appearing there, the way, He used to speak out, would have had a more easy going stand there 1981. Otherwise, I also find these retrograde phantasies obsolete.
In a way, what´s moving me, is the Quest, how – on an every-daily base – ´Human Rights´, as well as the the gifts of an `Age of Enlightement´, how it was called, can be still be relied upon as prerequisites of a coming together, a coming together in peace.
And Rajendra´s vid he shared about the incidents in Crete and also my experiences the last decades (and in former times) are more functioning as an alarm clock as anything.
In this way, the happenings on Crete island 1986 have been very contemporary, it seems.
Just to state, ´how unintelligent or insensitive to having made that happen´,
is not only missing solidarity to His Lovers, who tried their best at that time, but may be also disencouraging those, who try their best nowadays.
Madhu
I did not watch the clip, because I have heard it all before. Osho was not persecuted because of his spiritual ideas. He was persecuted because of some of the criminally insane ideas hatched and implemented on the ranch. Osho became an international pariah, not because of anything radical he was preaching, but because, amongst other things, some members from his commune, poisoned hundreds of men women and children. ‘Children’, think about that and how other countries’ governments would have viewed such a man and the warped organization that had developed like social cancer around him.The need to compare Osho with Socrates is absurd and requires industrial strength blinkers and a very elastic imagination to stretch so far as to actually believe in it.
Osho’s threat to the status quo is overrated. What he was saying was radical enough but no real threat to anyone in particular. Just another whacky cult centred around an Indian guru, is how most people would have viewed it were they inclined to research the matter. I see that for some there is a need to exaggerate how dangerous Osho was to mainstream society and thus make themselves out to be special because they had something to do with him, no matter how tenuous those links might be. Dangerous is IS, not the gentle vegetarian, as Osho was described by one respected critic.
Besides, what does any of this recent history have to do now with your here and now reality? What difference does any of this make to your inner journey, in terms of becoming a more intelligent and evolved human being? Answer: no difference if you have just a little common sense hardwired into your bio-computer.
There is so much that could be discussed in relation to a guru’s role in our lives, but instead we have rewinds of old headlines from the thirty-year-old past. On that level at least there is little that differs from the mainstream that will perpetuate the myth that Osho was the man with 99 Rollers, a lot of expensive watches and scandals, who was thrown out of the USA under very sordid and criminal circumstances. The tragedy is that there was so much more to Osho than that. SN could do with more inspirational threads than this tired old shite.
Like pretty much always, I can well relate to your latest respond-comment, Lokesh , and to your suggestions.
However, I want to quote part of your ´yesterday´s´ too, as I can relate to such as well.
You said the day before yesterday …”more like a warehouse full of fireworks, and they are still being lit all over the world by those who were touched by the old boy. ..”
And seeing this morning just (only) the reaction of Shantam Prem to a video evening, obviously in Freiburg, Germany, and his kind of weird way of dealing with a documentary information (- two of my already written response e- mails concerning this and the topic again) , disappeared into the (a)void up to now), I have been also busy with ´timings´, with chats as a ´game´, and what could be ? , would be ? a propriate use of gamings ? timings ? etc
I am all with you , declaring ;
” On that level at least there is little that differs from the mainstream that will perpetuate the myth that Osho was the man with 99 Rollers, a lot of expensive watches and scandals, who was thrown out of the USA under very sordid and criminal circumstances. The tragedy is that there was so much more to Osho than that.”
And in this spirit of your latter lines , most of my responses are rooted in this chat. And may be yours too ?
As there are numerous , not to be counted other chats , dealing with just any – anything are available, aren´t there ?
And thank you for your contributions.
Madhu
“Osho’s threat to the status quo is overrated. What he was saying was radical enough but no real threat to anyone in particular.”
I cannae agree with you there, laddee. Any counter-cultural movement or alternative lifestyle, especially well-organised, on a large scale, is always challenging to the status-quo, especially the right-wing neo-conservatives governments of the UK/USA in the mid 1980s.
Thatcher’s government went out of their way to get rid of the free-festival scene around that time and the Reagan administration would have gone out of theirs to get rid of “The Bhagwan” and the Ranch, even without the poisonings and the criminal activities of Sheela and co., just because of the sheer size of what was going down there.
And an Indian ‘Goo-roo’ with ninety Rolls Royces, stating that Christianity was a load of crap?
Come along now!
“well-organised” – Shanti, the Ranch was not well organised right from the start. If it was well-organised they would never have bought the Ranch in the first place. It was a disaster right from the word go. Osho’s sannyasins were more under-the-counter than counter. In terms of numbers, Sannyas really was not that big. Most people under thirty today have never heard of Osho.
Och, aye laddie. “In terms of numbers, Sannyas really was not that big.”
That`s because sannyasins aren`t going round giving out books and procrastinating their religion, like the Hari Krishnas do, not yet anyway. And instead of giving out free food and chanting in the streets, sannyasins were busy chanting `Hoo, Hoo, Hoo` at home and having a `flang` and rolling about in the bed.
“Most people under thirty today have never heard of Osho.”
This may be true, and I expect a lot of `young uns` end up thinking of him as a bit of a fraud, if they read all the shite about Osho that`s around on the internet (except up in Nepal where they get taught about Osho in the school).
Lokesh: “I did not watch the clip, because I have heard it all before. Osho was not persecuted because of his spiritual ideas. He was persecuted because of some of the criminally insane ideas hatched and implemented on the Ranch.”
Here is my perspective on Osho’s persecution for his spiritual teachings. Governments and religious authorities were on the alert about Osho BEFORE the Ranch, before any “criminally insane ideas” were hatched or implemented. In the late 70s it was kind of hard to miss happy orange-clad people wearing necklaces. We were doing dynamic and kundalini meditations in public places. People noticed.
Osho was in the media spotlight well before the Ranch, before his arrival at Chidvilas RMC. An early 1978 Time magazine featured an article on Osho entitled ” ‘God Sir’ at Esalen East.” Osho pretty much owned the media and they helped promote the sex guru, Rolls Royces image, so people were reading about Osho. Curiosity was aroused.
So, Osho was well-known before the Ranch. And authorities were taking notice also. Government officials and Church officials were united in considering Osho’s spiritual ideas threatening.
USA government officials came to the conclusion that Osho was intelligent, dangerous, and had the power to change minds. They considered his spiritual teachings about nation-states to be anarchist. By listening to Osho’s spiritual teachings people would get ideas about not giving allegiance to the State.
Religious authorities felt threatened by Osho’s take against the family, the Church and the nation, everything they thought decent people should care about and support… pretty much without question. They considered Osho to be the anti-Christ.
Osho presents his ideas in religious discourses, often couched in commentaries on religious scriptures, so I think it is fair to say Osho was persecuted for his spiritual ideas, which were more existential or atheistic than trinitarian, to say the least. Though Osho does have some good spiritual jokes about Big Daddy, Junior, and the Spook…
which probably pissed off authorities even more.
In 1982, years before any “criminally insane ideas” existed, the fundamentalist Christian preachers in Oregon and elsewhere were preaching to their flocks that Osho was the anti-Christ. Osho was being targeted, literally, having his image used for target practice by ranchers. “Bag a Bhagwan” bumper stickers threatened assassination…as a result of Osho’s spiritual ideas which were seen as a threat to good Christian values.
The arrest without a warrant in North Carolina was just a continuation of the persecution of Osho, now using political power. Once the World Tour started my understanding is that political faxes were sent from the USA to the embassies of countries wherever Osho wanted to go, or wherever Osho was given a visa to enter. American ambassadors then applied economic pressure (related to things like loans and debt negotiations) to force countries to deport Osho.
The USA wanted Osho back in India. Osho’s rhetorical power was considered a threat. Osho’s ability to convey his spiritual ideas related to family, God and country was perceived as a threat. So much of a threat that those American “Christians”, Reagan and Meese, went to so much trouble to persecute Osho through so many jails, through so many embassies, in so many countries, until they forced him back to India.
Samarpan,
What is your take after Osho´s demise?
Shantam: “Samarpan, What is your take after Osho´s demise?”
Shantam, my take is that things are going perfectly well. Osho was a book lover and the explosion of Osho’s work since he left the body is just great. This can be seen through publications data:
685 titles as RAJNEESH … pre-1990 (with a physical body)
3,226 titles as OSHO … post-1990 (without a physical body)
685 = RAJNEESH … all books, articles, video, audio with names Acharya Rajneesh, Acharya Rajaneesh, or Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, total of all editions, formats, languages, and name variations published pre-1990
3,226 = OSHO … all books, articles, video, audio with name Osho (born 1931) total of all editions, formats, languages with our beloved Osho as author and a publication date post-1990
“Sannyas is just a play — LEELA. That concept is not known in the West; the West has missed much because of not knowing that concept. In the West, religion has no idea that God is not a creator but a player, that existence is not his creation but his play of energies. Just like the ocean waves roaring, shattering on the banks and the rocks, eternally, just a play of energy, so is God. These millions of forms are not created by God, those are just because of his overflowing energy.
God is not a person at all. You cannot worship God. You can live in a godly way but you cannot
worship God — there is nobody to worship. All your worship is sheer stupidity, all your images of God are
your own creation. There is no God as such, but there is godliness, certainly — in the flowers, in the birds, in
the stars, in the eyes of the people, when a song arises in the heart and poetry surrounds you… all this is
God. Let us say “godliness” rather than using the word ‘God’ — that word gives you the idea of a person, and
God is not a person but a presence.”
—Osho, “The Dhammapada: The Way of the Buddha, vol. 3” (1979, ch. 8: “A Good Belly Laughter”)
“Hence, in the East, we know that once a buddha is gone he is gone forever. You can try to understand
his teachings, but far better will be if you can find a buddha alive somewhere. And it never happens that if
you search you will not find a buddha somewhere. If you really search you are bound to find a buddha
somewhere or other. Somewhere or other in the darkness of the world there are always a few flames; they are always there because God is still hopeful, because God is still compassionate, because existence cares for you.”
—Osho, “The Dhammapada: The Way of the Buddha, vol. 3” (1979, ch. 8: “A Good Belly Laughter”)
Samarpan and Parmartha have one thing in common: connection with Bhagwan Shree who in later years started a new chapter in His movement.
As far as Osho´s new beginning is concerned, they know it as one knows about neighbour´s bank balance. Neither there is personal experience nor a desire to learn something from that.
Poppycock, SP.
No name, Osho, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, Acharya Rajneesh were all the same person. The only difference they have in common is that they were not Chandra Mohan Jain, who died in 1953.
Sammy, your take on things is somewhat limited. There were other things going on that you obviously do not know about. It is not my job to inform you about such matters.
As for the Osho quotes, I am sure they are all very well, I did not bother to read them. You will know that you are growing up when you come to realize that an identification, fascination with words is a phase that you go through and one day look back upon as being childish.
Osho was big on words but when it came down to it he knew it was hot air. Once again I remind you that Osho’s power lay in the incredible energy he could channel or produce. His words were ripples on the surface and did not really mean that much and amounted to very little in relation to the power of love, of which he was a good representative, channel, manifestation etc..
In a world of illusion the power of love is about the only thing I see as being real. Take the best and forget the rest. Nobody ever became enlightened reading a fucking book, by Osho or anyone else.
Your ´power of love´ seems to be this evening here, Lokesh, to spread – using lots (!) of words yourself – the utter uselessness of the latter…Is it´then a case for Martyn´s ´paradoxemol´, what you also threw in the trash bin (rightly so)?
Anyway, besides your own contributions here, mostly everything belongs in the trash bin, isn´t that so? For you?
Otherwise, your words that Osho represented that ´Power of Love`, beyond as also with using words, I totally agree.
You do not, I say from this place, when I read you. And I do not represent that either, I know, but I am not as greedy to be ´enlightened´, as I also feel this word (enlightenment) as the word ´love´ is misused to the max.
There are possible quotes from Osho for the latter too, by the way.
And have no need for a ´paradoxemol’.
But sometimes I really enjoy a NOT cynical approach to ´human conditionings’.
Madhu
Lokesh: “Nobody ever became enlightened reading a fucking book, by Osho or anyone else.”
Lokesh, a short Osho quote for you:
“And forget enlightenment – otherwise that will remain a continuous hindrance. You just enjoy being here. Dance and sing. What are you going to do with enlightenment? You cannot eat it, you cannot drink it — it is absolutely useless. So just hope that it does not come too soon!”
Osho, ‘The Rebellious Spirit’ (1987, ch.3)
“And forget enlightenment — otherwise that will remain a continuous hindrance. You just enjoy being here. Dance and sing. What are you going to do with enlightenment? You cannot eat it, you cannot drink it — it is absolutely useless. So just hope that it does not come too soon!”
Osho, ‘The Rebellious Spirit’ (1987, ch.3)
The quotation collector can tell what Osho means by “here” in the sentence quoted above.
Whether the “here” means the fucking “here” in so-called ‘here and now’?
I see you haven’t bothered to answer my question of a couple of days ago, Shantam, so I repeat, what game do you think you were playing over there? And what game do you think you’re into now?
If the worth of your ‘sannyas’ depends on the location of the game remaining forever the same, then I suggest you’ve misunderstood the ‘rules’, and even the very nature of the game itself.
You’re like a player who’s stormed off the pitch bitterly complaining everything’s unfair, everyone out there’s against him, and who has found nothing better to do with his precious life than to devote the rest of it to broadcasting this purely personal resentment (wrongly imagining he speaks not only for all other players, but also for the Inventor of the Game himself!) – while everyone else plays on, wherever their part of the game happens to be.
All in all, a bunch of rather large misconceptions – visibly growing by the day…
And all almost certainly due to a failure to grasp exactly what sort of game you were supposed to be in, right from the start….
Lokesh,
I don’t fully understand your antipathy to the words of Osho?
Surely in the years you were around him you also read his books and/or listened to his words?
Didn’t you read and study him? Didn’t his ideas as well as his presence help alter your view of Life?
My own experience is that his words deeply affected me. The words, the ideas and the insights he shared altered my view. As I read him so I questioned, was occasionally confused by his meaning and on many occasions was awakened and delighted by his insight.
Of course I needed to practise these ideas and insights in real life, and it is life that ultimately teaches us or shows us what’s true and real, no book can surpass the reality of Life etc. The words are meaningless unless we make sense of them for ourselves.
Didn’t many people gain real help via his books?
Wasn’t that in most cases how they were first introduced to him at all?
One final question, do you recognise that those who never saw or spoke with Osho can find something of value in his books?
Thanks.
Simond, there is a lot of benefit to be had from reading Osho books. He did a lot of groundwork for people. He also talked a lot of nonsense from time to time and if a reader were to take that seriously then it would be a bad joke.
It’s over 40 years now since I first met Osho. I rarely read anything by Osho and never watch lectures etc. Last book I picked up by Osho was ‘No Water, No Moon.’ I love that book. I was there when he delivered the discourses and yes, his words affected me deeply. The fact that he was actually there speaking might have had a lot to do with it.
Osho has been dead for some time now and I see too much emphasis placed upon his words. Who knows where it will go? Osho repeated many times that his real message lay in the space between the words. I think much of today’s readers will miss that.
Then we have the copy and pasters, even here on SN. Instead of saying what they have to say they give an Osho quote. I find that most uninspirational. I always loved when Osho joked about the only son of God. Then he would ask, “Who are we, the bastards?” One meaning you can take from that is that you can stand up and say that you have something to say for yourself. Maybe not so eloquent or wise as Osho’s but nonetheless authentic and divine. I am sure you catch my transcendental drift.
Gotcha, Lokesh.
Thanks for clearing up my confusion.
Like you, I sense his words act as a good introduction and that many today are using him in a far more intelligent way; no longer confused by the drama of Sannyas, the Ranch and concerns about Rolls Royces, etc.
As to the space between his words, much of my own understanding was transmitted in this way. Particularly in his earlier Poona 1 discourses and books, the energy did reach across the page and into me.
I don’t worry about how it affects other people, or that they will ‘miss’. I know if it affected silly old me, it will affect and did affect others as well.
Of course there were and still are many who have missed the underlying message altogether.
That’s life!
Samarpan, it´s beautiful how you able to undermine strenuous stuff with your confidence that the book and video market will do.
In everyday life in the body, I am challenged to the max., so to say, to encounter quite unpleasant stuff. A friendly reminder from somewhere to take it easy, necessary.
You have had again also a very good choice in your quoting.
And thank you for this.
Madhu
Madhu: “A friendly reminder from somewhere to take it easy, necessary. You have had again also a very good choice in your quoting. And thank you for this.”
Madhu, you are welcome. You have an open heart and were willing to read the Osho quotes. So, the credit goes to you. You are a wonderful part of this leela called sannyas. Namaste.
Maybe, Samarpan, but as I was around at the time in India and in the West, I still say that Osho would have got into almost all the countries in 1981 that he did not get into in 1985.
I agree with you that Osho was a threat to establishments everywhere but the seventies/early eighties were a liberal sort of time. I say if Gandhi got into the UK when he was taking on the British Raj, then Osho would have got into most parts of Europe before he could be branded by association, a criminal.
The video made me laugh and in moments feel a little sad.
It made me laugh listening to his absurd statements about the hostility or violence of the police; in some other places he’d have been treated a lot rougher!
It made me laugh watching his silent acceptance and good humour in the face of his arrest. In those moments his teaching continued. I observed his non-reaction.
Later as he became more angry , I observed his simple fury, was for a moment shocked , until I saw his ‘humanness’, his vulnerability, his fear. All normal real responses to situations where all is very uncertain.
Later, as he waffled on about how the downfall of Greece started with its treatment of Socrates, it felt all a little sad and jaded. More like a politician talking to his troops, as he justified himself and ridiculed Greece.
Not altogether worthy.
But hey, it was a long time ago and is just a piece of history.
Simond, the enlightened bubby, has quite an insight!
Sometimes I wonder, Osho and his western disciples were in a relation made in Hell celebrated on Earth!
Surely, every maxim has an exception. For example, on this blog, Madhu and Parmartha are those westerns who have poured their total being at the feet of the master.
30 Years before, Parmartha was in the prime of his youth. When Lokesh was building the nest with the wife picked up from the Rajneesh Ashram, seems like Parmartha was pouring his emotions on the Noah´s ark with the hole. Therefore in my opinion, every repetition of that phase is a hindsight operation to heal the past.
If losers can win the game, I am sure, Simond, Satyadeva and Simond are not the losers on the casino of Osho. They made some profit and left the hall….
1984 friends on Facebook by today, SP. Soon you’ll be in the 2,000 league! Seems like ego run wild, and that pic of you in Rajneeshpuram….the same.
You still can’t write decent English: what does this mean?
“Seems like Parmartha was pouring his emotions on the Noah´s Ark with the hole. Therefore in my opinion, every repetition of that phase is a hindsight operation to heal the past.”
Means nothing to me!
Rajneeshpuram, the birthplace of Rajneeshism, was a Noah´s Ark as per that little booklet later burnt.
So it is not a bad example to say, Noah´s ark with a hole was what whole experiment turned out to be.
“If losers can win the game, I am sure, Simond, Satyadeva and Simond are not the losers on the casino of Osho. They made some profit and left the hall….”
What game do you think you were playing, Shantam?
And, whatever the game was or is, are you still playing it?
Sat, oldchap. I see you are still hoping for a resolution with Shantam.
Still wondering or hoping he will one day make some sense. Debate of this kind is utterly futile
My suggestion of old stands…Forget it. Drop it. Relax and let go.
Satyadeva, the biggest hurdle to communicate with you is your psychoanalyst attitude, the person who knows the rules of the games yet cannot ‘Bent like Beckham’ is only the line man! If you show a bit of your human side, your vulnerability, it will be fun to discuss and share on friend-to-friend basis.
On a personal note, sometime during next month I will be in Ibiza for a week; if possible come there. Hopefully, Lokesh will have the time too.
Shantam, you’ll dredge up anything, any old irrelevant nonsense to avoid even looking at questions you sense are somehow too ‘threatening’. But I doubt you even realise that’s what you do. So, as simond says, unfortunately it would seem a waste of time and energy trying to communicate at that level.
Which, of course, isn’t to say that we wouldn’t necessarily ‘get on’ (as it were) if meeting up for a cup of tea etc…
As for Ibiza, well, I’d like to go there one day, but no chance for at least the next few months.
Tell you what:
I’ll agree to meet you in Ibiza, some time – if you agree to ‘meet’ Meera one weekend (ie three sessions).
So…deal or no deal?!!
Currently in north of Scotland, where, believe it or not, I have just signed up for a wee job that looks like a lot of hard work. Fortunately, I feel like a bit of hard work and not only that, beautiful sunny weather. Be prepared, plan for a miracle, right enough.
I am not into religious bed hopping.
In which case, don’t presume to know anything worthwhile about any other ‘religious teacher’. In other words, keep your ignorant, stupid mouth shut.
SD, he likes to do religious cleaning jobs!
Lokesh, I consider you to be correct on a legalistic basis but the implications for what Osho did and does is culturally threatening primarily because it empowers the individual and the voicing of visceral truths as you come to clearly conclude. Those ones that can’t be readily packaged to stultify minds, libidos and the life urge.
So on one level these threats can’t be assessed as explicitly threatening but they are implicitly radical and counter-cultural. Of course, the notion of radical love can’t be packaged into forms of belief either so we remain on our own when together and together when on our own.
I take paradoxemol for the most blinding Osho insights that I get.
Aye, some good posts from the gang. Paradoxemol? Is that the mood enhancer that leaves you all mixed up but feeling that it is all fine in the greater scheme of things?
I would take it easy on the paradoxemol myself, because I have heard that with prolonged use it can leave the user asking who they are and a wee voice in their head telling them they are that, whatever that is. Could be a twenty-first century sixties revival in the making.
All things in moderation and say yes to another excess. Well, that is what is says on the packet.
Parmartha, I’ve tried to watch the video on your post here but the Prescott AZ public library won’t allow it to be played.
I see, Saadz, that the public library you use is in Arizona. I am sorry you have not been able to view. I just double-checked and it is linking okay still here in London.
I also visited your library’s site: it claims its staff are very friendly and helpful. Why not ask them if there is some kind of block on Osho, or something similar?
A short story dedicated to the people who have got, ‘Diploma in quotation cutting and pasting’.
When one of the biggest real estate company collapsed, journalists asked son of the developer on the way to the court hearing, “What is your message for the people who invested their money into your projects?”
The prodigal son replied, “Tell them to frame The Sales Brochures. We have really chosen the best paper and the designers.”
Parmartha, in general there has been no block on Osho here at the library. Just this clip for some reason. But since I made the post here it opened up without me talking to anyone.
I spoke out against the War during the “W” Bush administration, and I’ve been sabotaged online & had my mail messed with since then. Just wondering if you think there is still a cold war going on against Osho & His Sannyasins here in the U.S.A. I do.
Thank you,
Saadz
Lokesh, you haven’t answered Simond’s 9 June, 2015 at 3:34 pm query.