We received these three observations from SN member, Swami Vartan, after his recent readings of Ma Anand Sheela’s book, “Dont Kill Him” and Shanti Badra’s (Jane Stork’s) book, “Breaking the Spell”, and the 1985 Trial Testimony of Krishna Deva (formerly Mayor of Rajneeshpuram).
Vartan’s Observations:
1. Sheela makes absolutely no mention of Puja, the Head of the Ranch Medical Department, and the person responsible for obtaining and orderng all the drugs and poisons used on the Ranch - in her book, though she was a close confidant of Sheela on the Ranch, and they served their prison sentences together.
2. Shanti Badra, Jane Stork (in her book) does not mention Puja by any name. She calls her “Sheela’s nurse”. But there is a lot of to-ing and fro-ing between the three of them in Germany and Switzerland before and after their jail time.
Puja was actually first to leave Sheela. (On page 240 of Stork’s book): … When Sheela went to Portugal to arrange the making of jumpers and pullovers for a business she was planning… “her nurse returned to America. She met up with an old beau from college days, and they soon married and settled down together.”
The point that both of them did not mention Puja by any name, means that she must have had them both by the balls so-to-speak. Your drug-dealer knows more about you, than you know yourself.
3. Krishna Deva trial testimony. at Trial of Savita and Su: ..
On page 117 (304 of the doc, double click below), evidence that Osho was trying to get everybody back to India in early 1985, but Sheela sabotaged Osho’s wishes by making half-hearted efforts and using false excuses. So much for doing everything that HE asked!!! – which Sheela has commonly claimed ever since.
“Osho was trying to get everybody back to India in early 1985″
To be true, I have not come across a single sentence of Osho pointing in this direction. There are hours of talks about Saga of American Odyssey, and I think I have heard most of such discourses.
I request Parmartha and other experts in Osho Encyclopaedia to share such discourse where Osho has directly and indirectly expressed something like the sentence quoted above.
Actually, Shantam, Osho never spoke publicly about going to America – before it was done – and the decision to go to America, in my view, was a mistake.
If you were not so lazy and bothered to read the trial transcripts, etc. it is clear that Osho requested Sheela to go back to India to research the whole commune going back there, but she failed in that enterprise completely, because her own ego was totally invested in the Ranch.
She was not a surrendered sannyasin at all.
Clearly, what Osho said in public at the time had to be circumscribed both about going to America, and also about returning to India.
This transcript is not Osho´s own words.
In his defence, Osho has given all kind of logics in his discourses. It is not believable that he will miss this point.
When we look at Osho´s history with passion and with objectivity, He did not remain sulked in the past but created again an Oasis.
You should think in this way too, disciples were incapable and are incapable to take care of the spirit of Osho´s vision.
Just think Osho leaves his body in Rajneeshpuram in 1990 and not in Pune, then what would have been the state of that city state?
The lust for power and superiority complex among the sannyasins; it is unprecedented.
Dear Parmartha,
Anybody, also anybody posting here, was and is ´surrendered´ according to his or her standard of being on that we call ´a pilgrimage from here-to-here´.
You and me, myself included.
The obsession, seemingly predominant here, to over and over again chew the same bones, presented in ever-changing variety of appearances;
stuff, we couldn´t and cannot digest, while Life itself just takes its course, and ´mostly is somewhere else´ (old proverb).
And Life (also Sannyas-Life), has at other places also very beautiful spots of recreation, transformation and enjoyments, but these are rarely mentioned here as thread issues or given into discussions or simple sharings.
And we are in midst of it all a very marginal little (UK?) chat-room in comparison to the whole happening (on stages) so to say.
To simply accept that so much went utterly wrong, and individual as collective calamities were born out of it, is an arduous task.
Just very recently I was confronted with my inner Quest again, if some more and more and more information about horrible historical past can support Peace, Reconciliation and a Healing too in remarkable ways or even should be a prerequisite to the latter.
Which we all are up too, are we? Are we?
(Or can we afford to be?).
It is not easy to take for me, to be quite often not only treated as an idiot
(exploited too) and also also looked at like an idiot, when straining the effort to go for more information about past stuff and the people involved as prominent protagonists.
And repeating quite often the (traumatic) situation where I mostly was
(and am) in being affected by a calamity (past-present repeatedly).
Some rare times more information helps, most of the time – not.
That´s at least my experience.
What is yours? Anybody present here addressed, maybe also some just-chat-onlookers can share some experience of that question?
Madhu
P.S:
(Sannyas-related) examples from my life:
While being able to look, after some more than 20 years (!), to a testimonial interview with ´Savita` was helpful for me, means to open up my heart again and to ‘let her IN´, although painful, but a healing pain.
Healing pain is, when the heart opens again and dignity is regained in scarfs.
Other stuff, like, for example, Sheela Birnstiehl´s frequency on networks on youtube and other sources, just have been having retraumatising and bitter effects…(just to give you an example from my life here).
The events described took place over 30 years ago. For a guru who recommended living here and now why is it that so many of his disciples are interested in the past?
Bottom line with the Ranch is how aware of all the shit going on backstage was Osho? Answers include: partly aware, very aware, too stoned to care. Osho appointed Sheela as his right-hand woman, which entails a high level of responsibility on his part. End of story.
Yes, I like and accept your words, swamiji.
Living here and now…
If you were sick in the past and healthy now, it is easier to talk about life here and now.
If you were poor in the past and now driving high-end cars, it is easier to be here and now, one does not need some inspirational speaker to remind.
Role of past in human psychology is quite complex than whipping the ass, whether with newspaper or toilet paper from Spar!
“Role of past in human psychology is quite complex than whipping the ass, whether with newspaper or toilet paper from Spar!”
Another 24 carrot classic for the collection!
Hats off to Shantam, VIP.
Knocking out lines such as this whilst jacking off to `Japanese zen porn` and remembering to take his meds…
That’s multi-tasking at a level most people can only dream about!
How do you manage it, bro..?
lols
I wonder what this fascination with the history of Osho, the Ranch, Sheela and her motivation is all about? Why are some so interested or concerned with the rights and wrongs of the past?
History may be fun, anecdotal, but what does it tell us? That history is full of the prejudices. There is no objective truth to be found in rooting it out. Those who were part of the history have their stories and they may try to justify their actions or be slandered by others for the failures.
Perhaps it is the seeking of justice that concerns those so fascinated by history? But there isn’t any justice in this world that can compensate for the past. No resolution will be found by looking backwards. It becomes an endless, fruitless task.
As to the debate about what Osho did or didn’t know or do, it’s the same story, no one will ever nail it as fact…And all I see is various projections and prejudices that justify the opinions of the writers. Conjecture and hope don’t offer any truth in the matter. Time to move on. What’s stopping you?
Lokesh: “Bottom line with the Ranch is how aware of all the shit going on backstage was Osho? Answers include: partly aware, very aware, too stoned to care. ”
An additional answer is: not at all aware…which is the answer Osho gave to sannyasins publicly and in detail:
“And when I suspected this, I asked her. She said, “No. We are simply tapping the phones of people whom we suspect are planted by the government.”
I said, “In four years, how much information have you got? You show me.” They had not a single piece of information. So I said, “What is the point? For four years those thirty people were not phoning at all?”
And this is simply an excuse to listen to other people’s conversations. And it is ugly, inhuman, undemocratic. It is a crime. It is interference in people’s privacy. I was not aware that they were even bugging my room.
She had created almost a fascist state. It was ugly. It was criminal. And the whole bunch has escaped. Knowing that once Sheela and the main people are gone, the others will be in trouble because soon these things will be discovered…
But we are not going to leave these criminals in the world. They will destroy other communes, other people. I am going to inform the government; I am going to inform the international police force; I am going to inform all the communes; I am going to inform the press media. These people should be treated as criminals.”
Osho, ‘From Bondage to Freedom’ (ch.2)
Lokesh: “Osho appointed Sheela as his right-hand woman, which entails a high level of responsibility on his part. End of story.”
Sheela is responsible for accepting the position of secretary. Sheela is responsible for isolating Osho from sannyasins on the Ranch. Sheela is responsible for her own criminal actions.
In my opinion, Osho had no knowledge of Sheela’s criminal behaviour. I believe this because Osho called in law enforcement to investigate as soon as Osho became aware of Sheela’s activities.
Osho had also been investigated by over a dozen government agencies for years. They were trying to find some evidence of wrongdoing. They found none, even though they were desperate to get Osho out of the USA. The final agreement to an Alford plea was all the USA government could manage, and even that was an expression of compassion for sannyasins on the part of Osho.
To suggest Osho “appointed” Sheela, and is therefore responsible for Sheela’s crimes, is ludicrous. Sheela is responsible for Sheela’s actions. Osho is not responsible for the criminal actions of others.
Samarpan,
Depends on how the interpretation serves your own outcome. What does that make you for considering that, and how does that work for you as a life script?
Sammy, if you ask a friend to drive your kids to school and you know that she is drunk you are simply asking for trouble.
As for your ‘innocent’ Osho dream it only shows your lack of understanding as to what an outrageous rascal the man was.
Lokesh, apparently Gurdjieff deliberately crashed his car whilst driving at a high speed into a tree, just for the experience.
Would you trust such a driver?
Perfectly correct, Shantambhai!
Pay no heed to the words of the cynical alcoholic Anglo-Saxon baboon Frank! He wishes only to urinate the beer of unconsciousness on all the holy shrines of our glorious religion!
The role of past in human psychology is certainly complex, as you state with perfect clarity, bhai!
And our glorious leader Narendra Modi has recently made clear that in so many enterprises, such as stem cell technology, flying, plastic surgery and brain surgery, the Indians of mighty Bhorat have been leading the way since Vedic times, then so it is also with the wiping of the ass!
Complex spiritually-based techniques for wiping the ass were explored and developed by the ancient rishis of India, and their knowledge of scatological yoga of both the left-hand and right-hand paths was already highly developed many yugas before the discovery of toilet paper in recent western history!
Have you been initiated in these advanced techniques, Bhai, or do you still have an amma or ayah or a guru to help you?
Yahoo!
Hari Om!
Very good, Samarpan, that is exactly correct!!!
Perfectly correct, Saadz!
You have clearly become a channel for the wisdom of mighty Bhorat!
Yahoo!
I would say Vartan has a clear right to nail Sheela. Her main defence over the years, and also in her book, was that she was a surrendered sannyasin doing Osho’s will.
This is clearly not the case, so actually nailing one big lie and her disobedience to one of Osho’s clear wishes seems very important. After all, the woman bugged Osho’s own room!
So, like Samarpan, I don’t actually like the whole confused amount of thinking about Osho himself, when any good detective can see it is flawed, and that Sheela and her gang became a conspiracy on the Ranch which was actually against Osho.
People who became the beneficiaries of Sheela´s exit started indulging in the same fascist style as their predecessor.
If Samarpan and Parmartha have little regards for their Guru´s Work, they would have used the lessons of the past to heal the present.
“But no, sir, If we were not part of the murder scene, there was no murder.” is the usual mind-set of many people.
“Moreover, how one can look critically at present situation? There is no Osho discourse about this.
Those who have crammer 2 plus 2 are 4, cannot think 2.2 plus 1.8 are also 4!
I`m with Simond and Martyn on this one.
Firstly,the reason that this discussion is still taking place nearly a third of a century later is because the truth and facts of the case have been continuously concealed and obscured by a many-layered conspiracy.
The proof of this is to be found simply in the continued unresolved inquiry. There are people out there who could help our esteemed Parmartha Conan Doyle and his assorted Doctor Watsons but they haven`t spoken, and if they have, only to muddy the waters further, so barring some sensational death-bed confessions (why would you believe them anyway?) it is going to remain a mystery (to be lived).
So it is, as Marty says, really a matter of personal mythology.
What you believe (and in the absence of final evidence it has to be belief) is about who you see yourself in the here and now:
Faithful devoted disciple, rugged individualist, for or against`, sunniasin, Oshi`ite, apostate, `legacy holder`, `spreader of vision`, or even `Judas` etc. etc…
In any case, keep up the good work – it`s provocative stuff and there are few things more enlightening and entertaining than be-robed, psychically-cloistered, mentally-bordered holier than thou purveyors of second-hand visions of all persuasions rationalising and parroting their position from a state of `god` or no-mind (what`s the difference?) that they have not been able to achieve, then slipping on banana skins,soiling themselves, missing their thrones and taking a prat-fall, trying to beat their willies or their minds into submission in the quest to be holier than thou!
We all need as much karmic relief as we can get!
I reckon it was Colonel Mustard, in the Billiard Room, with the Candlestick.
To bring the healing touch to the whole story, my suggestion to Parmartha is:
Get the appointment with Sheela. She is one of those players of that time who is not reluctant to speak and tell her version.
Book the Easy Jet flight to Basel. I will be there to receive you.
You ask Sheela the questions bothering your heart. I will record the interview on my Samsung Galaxy.
If problem with cash, like most of us Osho freaks have, regular bloggers can share 20 Euros each for the flight.
Great idea, Shantam.
Guided tours of Sheela’s place.
Just be carefull not to get anything put in your coffee.
Parmartha arrives at Chateau Sheela.
Flunkies usher him into Sheela`s boudoir.
Sheela is reclining seductively on the couch munching a huge Toblerone.
The commentary of a Test Match on Radio 4 hums reassuringly in the background.
“Beloved Parmartha”, she purrs seductively as one of the flunkies brings Big P a cup of his favourite Earl Grey tea, “before we start the interview, why don`t you slip into something more comfortable…like a coma…?”
Crazy…
Something which makes you laugh can be only crazy!
The discussions here are really great entertainment for all – especially those who keep English dictionary open always.
Frankly, Shantam et al,
I am not interested in Sheela or most of those who sought and exercised power.
Patipada might be an exception. She showed big balls in going to Pune 2, accepting Osho’s invitaiton to all the conspirators to come back and pursue their own growth. She wrote a little known book called ‘Forever Is Not Long Enough’.
Being interested in meditation, and moving beyond the self as normally understood, which is about 0.02 per cent of human beings, defines who I am interested in.
“Being interested in meditation, and moving beyond the self as normally understood, which is about 0.02 per cent of human beings, defines who I am interested in.”
Parmartha, please add my name too in this club of 0.02% if other bloggers don’t object, specially Satyadeva!
Objection, your honour! The applicant has a well-documented history of consistently denigrating meditation, meditation methods, meditative practices, meditation-as-a-way-of-being, and meditators in general.
Not only that, there exists no evidence whatsoever, either in his actions or in his writings, of his having ever meditated, even for a split second! Consequently, in no way does he qualify for membership of this extremely exclusive, elite group.
Indeed, I suggest the Meditation Authorities Special Investigations Unit* carries out an immediate, far-reaching inquiry into this application, which, one suspects, is driven by profoundly suspect motives.
*Aka IMAM OI U (International Meditators and Meditation Official Investigation Unit)
It is enough sign of meditation when someone can inspire the others to write in a light-hearted way.
You are getting the knack of meditation, SD.
God has put you in the right company.
The only “right” thing about your “company”, Shantam, is how easy it is to see how wrong you nearly always are!
“Being interested in meditation, and moving beyond the self as normally understood, which is about 0.02 per cent of human beings, defines who I am interested in.” (Parmartha)
My own experience is, Friends, that one of the biggest obstacles of meditation is to imagine one belongs to an elite-group, or chosen-very-few, or something like that.
Otherwise, I am well acquainted with such kind of seductive ´approach´: as a challenge (to investigate and dissolve the obstacle).
Saturday, May rain and cloudy sky.
The new leaves on the trees feel soft like Chinese silk.
Gentle are the winds just here.
I am in awe about this.
Madhu
Context, Madhu, context! Parmartha was referring to travelling hundreds of miles abroad to meet someone who has no interest in ‘the spiritual life’, whatever the context of the nefarious politicking etc. she got up to thirty years ago.
And truly, why bother? Do you really believe it would in any way be worthwhile? 99.99% certain there’d be no truth down that avenue because the person concerned isn’t interested in self-enquiry, at any level, only in concocting a narrative that absolves her of all responsibility.
Thnaks, Madhu, for your comment.
Yes, it is a good reminder,
I have met meditators in and outside the Sannyas world who have displayed elitist tendencies (but I must say not in those who had done good encounter and other groups also!).
However, just because elitism may find itself amongst meditators does not act as a criticism of ALL meditators, amongst whom I have found those with whom I feel much more at home, though that includes those who might well deny that they any longer ‘formally’ meditate.
My emphasis on 0.02 percent is that they are very small in number, and not found in every crowded carriage of every tube train one takes.
As a member of the 0.02% who has done all the correct encounter groups properly, I would like to make it clear that I abhor any kind of elitism!!
0.02 per cent of human beings…
Parmartha has given birth to such a catching phrase. It is more powerful than those 1 per cent controlling much of the financial world.
My idea is 99% of these 0.02 per cent of human beings who want to move beyond the self are Indians by birth or Indian by choice.
For example, Parmartha, Lokesh, Satyadeva, Madhu; they are really not any more Peter, Lars, Simon and Maureen!
Veena (Schlegal) has just published another book, called ‘Glimpses of my Master’. Not a bad read. She was close to Osho from 1971 until he died, and was for sometime his seamstress, etc.
She says something which rang true in an even bigger way for much later events also (page 199).
It was the Mt. Abu camp of 1972. She and her two close friends
“were all quite disturbed by many things we saw around us:
the egotistical posturing of people pretending to be holy and spiritual, the false positivity, the incessant spouting of mumbo jumbo, and worst of all, the obvious greed and attempts to profit financially from the event. REGRETFULLY, I MUST SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WERE INDIAN.”
Are there Indians who increased the entry price in deceased master’s Ashram-turned- Resort from Rupees 20 to Rupees 1300 per day?
65 times increase in the entry price during last 25 years and 30 times less participants: well done!
Has Veena written something about post-Osho?
Your expectations are flawed, Shantam. Times, circumstances, situations change – while you’ve remained stuck in a mental time-warp, creating convenient excuses for your personal discontent.
You can’t expect anywhere near similar numbers to come a few years after the Master’s death, because the main attraction is no longer there. So an economic solution had to be found. Not ‘rocket science’, is it?!
And you can’t expect a ‘psycho-spiritual holiday resort’ (if that’s what it is now) to charge the old ashram prices. Which also isn’t exactly ‘rocket science’ either, is it?
“REGRETFULLY, I MUST SAY THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WERE INDIAN”
Oh dear. Didn`t they see the sign?
There are many things in life one has no experience about. By watching CNN, I can write essay about American way of life though I have never kept a foot in America. Same way, you have the similar experience about Pune.
Just for your and other bloggers’ information, the days spent by me in 17, Koregaon Park, Pune will be more in numbers than all of your combined days.
My knowledge of the life’s graphs of that place is first-hand, rather than deducing the conclusions from the sheer power of imagination and common sense.
Which is irrelevant to the point of this discussion, Shantam. All it indicates is that you had a good time there, the place suited you – and that you became chronically and apparently irreversibly attached to that particular environment.
So that when, like all things, it ended, you suffered and continue to suffer, blaming everything and everyone – except the one ultimately responsible for your life.
Do you know who I mean (I don’t think you do)?
Veena’s book is called ‘Glimpses of my Master’. I recommend you read it, Shantam.
Yes, on pages 200 to 206 she does write about Pune 2.
Actually, to be streetwise, many (but not all) of the Indians I observed around the ashram in early days, and when I visited the Resort in 2000, seemed to be ‘using’ it. In particular to meet European women!
Perfectly correct, Shantambhai!
Despite the fact, as our glorious leader Modi has made clear, that the ancient rishis of mighty Vedic Bhorat had already discovered plastic surgery, stemcell science, aeronautics, public toilets and ass-wiping in ancient Vedic times, sometimes it pains my pride to admit that now, even in the matter of egotistical posturing, people pretending to be holy and spiritual, false positivity, the incessant spouting of mumbo jumbo, the obvious greed and attempts to profit financially, we, the inheritors of the wisdom of mighty Bhorat, may have fallen far behind the Anglo-Saxons and their depraved American cousins!
It is a sad day for Nirvana!
My tears are flowing like one of Narendra Modi`s a newly installed urinals on the banks of the mighty Ganga in outbreak of incontinence during rainy season!
Yahoo!
Hari Om!
Man-women-relating and the game of love-hunting in the premises of Osho Ashram, Pune can be a valid string.
This USP of Osho ashram has been whitewashed by the very people who were the biggest beneficiaries.
Shantambhai!
I call on you in the name of holy Bhorat!
The Vedic right to spout incessant mumbo-jumbo can never be taken away from the rightful spouters!
You must forever spout on as a representative of all the lotuses who have grown in the manure of the mighty Indian incontinent!
The Anglo-Saxon baboons have already seized our holy Samadhi and have no respect for the exploits of heroic love-hunters such as yourself who heroically, relentlessly and religiously set their cunning traps and hunted down and sunk their teeth into the finest white meat schnitzel rumpsteaks and attempted to pork their way to nirvana (88-90)!
Now, thanks to the criminal exploits of Anglo-Saxon baboons, a once great hunter like Shantambhai, proud owner of export-quality Bajaj love-pump, proud Sardar, so bold as to even be willing to remove the holy chuddies and sink the kirpan into a young fresh chicken at a moment`s notice in the name of the quest for the ultimate! Will all this have been in vain?
It would be a tragedy of mahabharatic proportions!
It must never happen!
Must Shantam, like Majnu and Romeo before him, be doomed to such a cruel fate?
It is certainly karmic!
Yahoo!
Hari Om!
“All it indicates is that you had a good time there, the place suited you – and that you became chronically and apparently irreversibly attached to that particular environment.
So that when, like all things, it ended, you suffered and continue to suffer, blaming everything and everyone – except the one ultimately responsible for your life.
Do you know who I mean (I don’t think you do)?”
Satyadeva,
Add few more points in this one. I will prefer to create a string based on your analysis.
As the question is not just of one person but collective. Many psychological, spiritual, moral and ethical issues are interwoven.
In my case it is not Stockholm Syndrome, neither I am behaving like a jilted lover.
So add some more of your observations as an outsider who was watching sunset when others were jumping into an ill-fated ferry!
There’s plenty in my original post for you to reflect on, Shantam, without my having to add any more. And after all, you’ve already received a great deal of feedback to your obsessive, endlessly repetitious posts on the matter here at SN over the years.
These posts shows very much I am the disciple of Osho.
After all, endlessly repetitious discourses are his USP.
Satyadeva kind belong very much to Meera type.
Not a single original discourse, what to say about repetition?
Oh sure, the mark of an Osho disciple is to bore the living daylights out of everyone around by endlessly repeating the same old unintelligent, self-deluded, irresponsible claptrap. While imagining he’s performing a great service for the, er, “collective”.
Thanks for being such a shining example*, Shantam.
(*Of thick-skinned stupidity).
So I’m not going to offer you any encouragement to broadcast your personal, past-ridden, self-ignorant (and basically, sex-obsessed) agenda here. Enough of that is more than enough.
Shows how some of the locals felt about Sheela:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q6A7swQjIk
She was a pr disaster par excellence. But who appointed her – and encouraged her public excesses, and allowed her to continue?
Sorry, Samarpan, if political leaders ‘bite the bullet’ and normally resign after a losing campaign then Osho has to be assigned at least a measure of responsibility there. The only difference is apologists’ (like yourself) unwillingness to give up their idealised image of the master.
It’s so blindingly obvious, but I guess some beliefs are too hard to shift. The question is, why?
You’ve mixed me up with Samarpan again, Satyadeva.
It must be something about the ‘S’
No, I was responding to a recent post from Samarpan.
(And I don’t recall mixing up the two of you before, ‘neever’!).
Ok, fair play.
I thought that you done wot you did a couple of weeks ago!
“It’s so blindingly obvious, but I guess some beliefs are too hard to shift. The question is, why?”(Satyadeva)
Satyadeva,
Me, I also ponder about that as a quest; and one of my responses to myself that came up has ever been to realign with a dignity which has always been and is never lost at the deepest core of Being.
And one of the many layers which are appearing while diving into oneself and surpassing it in rare, unforgettable moments is to bow down to a Master.
And in these moments, disciple and Master get lost together.
And yes, and yet, to discuss and share what´s happening as turbulences and obstacles ever and ever again can not be jumped over.
And these obstacles are very individual ones.
To be able to meet as a temporarily sangha of individuals in a way of not deliberately destroying each others dignity, is a rare gift, very rare. The latter does´t come from some unknown `god`, nor preacher, nor anyone from outside, but from decision to meet like this and commitment too.
Too bad, that it seems to be vanishing as an ´inner´ feelable state of being and deliberate committed option, while connecting.
Even in a UK chat like this, it can be felt, if it is happening, as also when just loads of shit are passed on each other (like Lokesh happened to ‘name’ me again, for example, wrapping his ‘answer’ in lots of barking shit).
I feel anyway not meant, when not even my name is spelled properly…as a sign of contempt.
That´s why I said if that is a web game here, under the name ´Sannyas and Friends´, I don´t belong here.
Madhu