In her 1988 book “The Most Dangerous man since Jesus Christ”, Prem Anando (Sue Appleton), later to be described by Osho on his death bed as “his messenger”, wrote that almost all countries in the world (by 1986), had put a red immigration alert next to his then name, of Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.
The entry was said to read “Danger to National Security – presence not conducive to the public good… against the interests of the State…. do NOT permit entry”.
So how to define “dangerous”? Well, not in any way the danger that a terrorist might offer, but simply the danger of ideas. The same reason that Socrates, Jesus, Mansoor, Tyndale and others put to death for their ideas and presence. Of course there is the old chestnut of “associating with prostitutes and criminals”, but clearly AT THE TIME they were alive, such accusations were also leveled at those great spiritual people.
Over the years many at SN have questioned the historical right of Osho to sit in such an esteemed class, and question both his own, and other people’s, defining him as sitting in the same company. However, whatever way you look at it, Osho clearly produced a similar reaction to politicians and officials of the state as those few who came before and died, or were exiled for their ideas. That would seem on the face of it a good measure.
Anando says
Anando
“Here was a man who never left his house, and a man who never left his room except to give discourses… – so why did the German, Swiss, Australian and Dutch governments all pass emergency decrees in 1986, that he not be allowed to set foot in their countries?”
“Why did Italy and Sweden refuse him even a tourist visa?”
“Why did the UK refuse to let him even stay in the transit longue overnight at Heathrow”?
Why did the Vatican request all Italian papers it controlled to not even make mention of his name?”
“Why did the KGB round up his supporters in Russia and confiscate all books and tape recordings of his discourses? ”
And why did the US Attorney General Ed Meese state that he wanted him “Back in India never to be seen or heard from again?”
As Anando then says
“Who was this man who could unite communists, capitalists, Catholics and fascists in an unholy alliance against him? ”
SN
Undoubtedly, Osho was badly treated by the U.S. authorities and they had influence on other countries.
I guess that we will never know how much the countries that banned him did so from fear of his dangerous philosophy/influence and how much it was to do with him being the main man of an organisation of whom most of the ruling elite recently got banged up for various felonies.
In passing…
In 1985…
The Vatican had not apologised to Galileo yet!
Pink Floyd, AC/DC, Julio Iglesias and The Village People were also banned in the USSR.
And Thatcher’s lot were never going to say no to Ronnie Rayguns about anything whatsoever.
The answer to all those ‘Why’ questions has nothing to do with what Osho had in common with Socrates, Jesus, Mansoor, Tyndale and others, which is a typical piece of Sannyas hype, and everything to do with the crimes Osho’s disciples committed in the United States and elsewhere. It is an old story now, but it does not require a genius to figure out that you can’t poison a whole lot of men, women and chidren in America and walk away, or fly away in this case, with a clean sheet. Most readers here on SN will be aware of this. It is, after all, hardly breaking news.
What surprises me in the long term is how so many live in denial about this simple fact. What many may not be aware of is that poisoning people, setting up phoney marriages to side-track immigration laws, trying to manipulate illegally local elections etc. is really only the tip of the iceberg. International anti-crime groups, like Interpol and the FBI, were very much aware of this, especially during the eighties, and hence a red flag went up when Osho’s name appeared on an immigration form. It did not have so much to do with what Osho was doing but rather what some of his disciples were up to, although to a greater or lesser extent Osho would have been informed about this, but not in any way directly involved.
Following Osho around and saying yes to another excess required money that many sannyasins did not have. They looked to get-rich-quick scams to help pay for their next big spiritual energy fix at the master’s well-mannicured tootsies. Use a little imagination if you are having trouble visualising what I am referring to. Think prostitution, drug-running.
The problem arose when some of these scams went terribly wrong. Having resorted to crime to make so-called quick money and getting caught at it happened to many sannyasins and over the years a profile developed.
Most of these sannyasins were new to the crime world and when they were caught they quite literally shat themselves and came up with all kinds of barmy ideas to alleviate their situation and try and get a get-out-of-jail- free card as quickly as possible.
I know directly of one woman sannyasin who was caught smuggling dope and told the police she was sending her ill-gained profits to Sheela, which was completely untrue. In the late seventies one very sweet sannyasin guy I knew was caught with a few kilos of smack on a train in India. He was given a life sentence. I was flabbergasted. He was the most unlikely candidate I can imagine to do such a thing, which was probably why he was doing it. There are hundreds of cases like this.
There was more to the name-changing than just spiritual values in the Sannyas world. Inadvertently, sannyasins became a part of an international contacts group, wherin nobody knew anyone’s real name. This comes in very handy in the crime world, especially when someone gets caught doing something very illegal…they are not able to give the police their accompliceses’ names, even if they want to.
It is, I realise, a very long story. So let’s just say that Osho did have a lot in common with ancient wise guys, which I believe he did, to a certain extent. But when it came to his persecution (maybe not the right word) it had nothing to do with enlightenment or anything spiritual, but rather breaking international laws, although Osho was, in most cases, not directly involved.
You can tell who someone is by the company someone keeps is an old saying. When international police organisations checked out who Osho was hanging out with in the eighties it slowly but surely formed a picture that pointed to the possibility that he was capo de capo. It really is as simple as that, although way off the mark.
To imagine that Osho was banned from entering so many countries because he was a threat to the spiritual or non-spiritual order is a fantasy that Osho helped create. He really was not dangerous on that level, well, at least to the extent that he was branded an international pariah. It inflates a certain type of seeker’s ego to believe their master is a spiritual terrorist, who eats popes for breakfast. Today, we have people like IS. They make Osho look like a puppy. He was, after all, once described in The Times as a gentle vegetarian.
Bottom line, for all his awareness, Osho was not aware of a lot of things and where they would lead. Happens to the best of us and it’s happened to me. Live and learn, and there is nowhere quite like an prison cell for honing one’s philosophy. You can take my word on it.
Good post, Lokesh.
Lokesh, are you validating anyone or any institution?
If you are, could you say what the example is, how to model it and what results one can expect?
If you are considering one’s own wits in adversity or out of illusionary deference to authority what is the defining response to wool and eyes?
Should we be able to produce more or less effect once we know?
How do you suggest we know?
I wrote my list for Kavita, what’s yours?
Apparently, from what’s been happening to Mr Cohen, someone called Punjaji told him he was the bee’s knees in all things spiritual. Is this relevant? There is no lesson to be learnt in or through time as tomorrow that bus might run me over. So, unless I go “aha” now, the truth is not actually doing its job, but is merely having me wag my finger in admonition.
I never worked for a Ma who told me what to do, I quit cleaning toilets under Vidya’s tutelage, I had no interest in going to the Ranch and I have never sought out circles of seekers as I’m allergic to cushions and the sound ‘mmm’ in a hall of afficionados.
However, I cannot hand out this advice as a guideline because otherwise people would likely become slightly overweight, watching telly as a way of life, in pursuit of dinner.
Yours worriedly….
Mr Cohen? I always found the man unattractive. He was one of the ones Poonjaji declared enlightened or whatever one calls it. Asked later why he did this the old man replied, “To get the leeches off my back.” I liked that.
If there is a problem with the Advaita Vedanta school it is this, it can lead to a transitory state, which can be mistaken for a form of enlightenment and of course it is not.
If I were to give any advice on the matter it would be to drop the whole enlightenment concept and instead concentrate on leading a simple and peaceful life.
“If I were to give any advice on the matter it would be to drop the whole enlightenment concept and instead concentrate on leading a simple and peaceful life.”
Before someone drops it, they must have it. It is easier to lead a simple and peaceful life, if one has got the chance to be with a master and his people for seven or eight long years.
Has the opportunity to pick and choose partners and find out the twin soul!
Who else other than Osho has given such luxury, such opportunity?
Shantam has had this very opportunity – but it doesn’t seem to have done him much good, frankly, as he appears to spend much of his time and energy moaning and complaining, blaming others for his self-chosen fate. Hardly a “peaceful” example!
As for being “simple”, well, going on and on and on in this vein he daily demonstrates the blind assurance of the “simple” all right – in the sense of the truly, irresponsibly, irredeemably stupid.
El Chud Meister declares, “Before someone drops it, they must have it.”
Well, holding a concept in one’s mind is easy. Like, ‘Enlightenment exists and I want it.’ This is conceptual thinking, it is only a fancy idea. Not so difficult to drop, surely.
Time has shown Osho´s own disciples are not in a better position. His commune turned raincoat resort has banned more disciples in the history of disciplehood than any other sect or cult.
I just cannot imagine, for how many lives disciples intend to go on taking the higher moral ground.
Maybe the Sannyas News bloggers and other disciples are not aware that there is no more Anando. She has reverted back to Susan Heffley. When no. 3 in hierarchy and as per the story, she was remembered by Osho till his last breath, chooses to drop sannyas name and reclaim her Christian name shows much.
In the present circumstances, I won´t feel shocked if Osho himself accepts himself as Rajneesh Chander Mohan Jain.
Master´s vision walks like a stranger in disguise.
“When no. 3 in hierarchy and as per the story, she was remembered by Osho till his last breath, chooses to drop Sannyas name and reclaim her Christian name shows much.”
In fact, it doesn’t necessarily show anything much at all, it all depends on the individual and their circumstances. But what else to expect other than a flawed concept of what Sannyas was and is, from a man who, it’s perfectly clear, was primarily there for the potentially available ‘free sex’ with western women in their prime?!
If Shantam was genuinely missing ‘communal Sannyas’ as a means of meditative self-discovery (etc. etc.) then for years he could have visited several apparently thriving such places in his native India, but he hasn’t, almost certainly because they’re mainly full of fellow-Indians, which (or who) somehow just doesn’t (or don’t, or wouldn’t) ‘do it’ for him.
And/or perhaps he senses or knows that for Indians he isn’t or wouldn’t be nearly as potentially as ‘exotic’ a bedfellow as he might possibly have been for one or two young westerners at a ‘certain stage’…
OOOPPPSSS, there it is, Judas/Lokesh strikes again!!!
Judas played his role and is perhaps one of the New Testament’s most interesting characters. His was an excrutiatingly difficult role to play, but also necessary in the greater scheme of things.
I am no Judas, Saadz. I would be interested to hear why you see me as such, although not overly. Are you a one-hit-wonder or is there something more to you? It is easy to write one accusatory sentence and fire it off. It is something else to explain and stand by what you say. Let’s see if you come up with something a little more substantial. I won’t be holding my breath.
Shantam, to me, Anando’s withdrawal from the so- called Osho’s IC is significantly courageous enough for me. Now whether she calls herself Sue Appleton or Anando or Susan Heffley doesn’t matter. We are all free to interpret, so to each our own, I suppose.
Lokesh: “Bottom line, for all his awareness, Osho was not aware of a lot of things and where they would lead. Happens to the best of us and it’s happened to me.”
Let’s remember the U.S. Attorney General, Edwin Meese, was on Osho’s case. Osho had spoken favourably in discourses of both anarchism and communism (while criticising socialism). I don’t think any of the previous sages mentioned (Socrates/Mansoor etc.) spoke in those terms. But anarchism/communism were terms Edwin Meese and the Christian Reagan administration saw as red flags and they would easily qualify Osho to be an enemy of the State.
There seems to be a meme on SN that Osho (“for all his awareness”) was supposedly an innocent who didn’t really understand his situation in America. A journalist asked Osho a question five years after Osho left Oregon, and Osho’s answer makes it sound as if Osho was aware of what authorities (state and federal) were doing. Osho was not an airy-fairy idealist who was completely ignorant of practical matters. Regarding leaving Oregon, Osho says:
“I was in America and I was free to go anywhere. There was no intention on my part of destroying the commune. On the contrary, I wanted no bloodshed in the commune, which would have happened if I was arrested there.
The INS had been asked to help in arresting me, and they refused. In fact, they were at fault all along. They hadn’t adjudicated my case and replied to my request for extension. The reason was that if they said, “No”, we could appeal. And then they couldn’t destroy the commune. So it was a clear-cut conspiracy.”
(Osho, a personal communication, via Ma Deva Anando, to Max Brecher)
So, while Osho did not have knowledge of what crimes were being committed by Sheela and her gang in secret (if Osho’s involvement could have been proved, you can be sure he would have been indicted), he did seem aware of actions being planned by authorities against Rajneeshpuram, and was familiar with his own legal situation.
Yes, Sam, relevant points. There are also points of contradiction. Whether or not Osho was guilty of this or that is up for debate, but he certainly had the trappings of someone who looked guilty.
Osho said, “I wanted no bloodshed in the commune.” During that time I contemplated going to the Ranch. Apart from all the Sheela stories I was also put off by lilac-clad security personel totting automatic weapons. Guns kill people. The way it looked I wouldn’t have been surprised if Charlton Heston and the ANC didn’t show up to congratulate sannyasins for exercising their right to bear arms. It was ugly. Osho put Gandhi down but he could have learned much from the man’s peaceful revolution. There would not have been much possibility for bloodshed had there been no firearms on the Ranch.
Osho also said, “There was no intention on my part of destroying the commune.” Maybe so, but throwing a hissy fit because Sheela would not drain the commune’s funds to buy him a $2,000,000 watch doesn’t exactly sound like he was willing to sacrifice his expensive tastes in wristware to help the commune thrive. I think he just became bored with the whole carry-on. Of course, he could not admit that he was bored because he had made a point of saying that Buddhas never experience boredom.
I find the topic of this thread engaging up to a point and then it starts to sound a bit too well-worn for my taste. Still, as a study in the contradictory nature of Osho’s behaviour it serves its purpose.
Yeah, what to do with a guy who just doesn’t seem to fit in anywhere and doesn’t follow the societal rules and norms? Especially American norms…A Portland television reporter said that most of America seemed to be saying no to him, his message and movement. Did he, therefore, think he had come to the wrong country at the wrong time? Osho’s response was:
“Whenever I would have come, it would have been the wrong time. I cannot come at the right time in spite of all the watches given to me. I just either come before the time or come after the time. But this is the fate of a person like me.
The message that I am giving will never fit with the existing society. But I enjoy to be a misfit. That means I am still alive. Those who have fitted completely, comfortably, are just small parts in a big mechanism. I have belonged to no society, to no religion, to no country. I will always be a misfit even amongst Rajneeshees, because I am not a Rajneeshee. It is just their love and tolerance that they allow me to be here. Otherwise, I don’t follow anything of Rajneeshism.”
Osho, The Last Testament, Vol. 1, Chapter 3
“Did he, therefore, think he had come to the wrong country at the wrong time?”
Basically, Osho’s American commune got off to a bad start and was doomed from the beginning.
On Ibiza, we have very strict zoning laws in regards to construction. It is a good thing, because it stops people building what they want and destroying the natural environment. Spain is a long way behind the USA in terms of such controls…you just need to visit the Costa Brava to witness that.
My point is that it was utterly stupid and short-sighted to try and build a massive commune on land designated for a few dwellings at most. In India, you can get away with anything on that level, thanks to the reverence held for Lord Baksheesh. America is also corrupt, I know, but not to that extent.
Just think about it. A bunch of orange-clad loonies shows up with an Indian guru, who has a penchant for Rolls Royces, and they start to immediately break the law. This has nothing to do with being a misfit and everything to do with not being aware of where you are on the planet.
What Osho says above is all very well, but it is easy to be cynical about it and see it as spin. Osho was a master at taking almost aything and transforming it into something positive and enlightening. Whether or not what he said was true is something one has to decide for oneself. Too much value and emphasis has been placed upon what he said.
I do not read Osho books or watch his vids because my connection with Osho was an energetic one. In the beginning, when I read books like ‘The Way of the White Cloud’, I was inspired. To try and make sense of all the contradictions in what he said is a mental exercise at best. You can pull an Osho quote to suit almost any situation…that is kid’s stuff and simplistic.
When it comes to something that really moves me I just need to recall looking directly into his bottomless eyes and hear his gentle voice chuckling and saying, ‘Very good, Lokeshhhhhhhhh.’
Osho was a vibe, not a pile of mouldy books and rewinds of your dreams.
I’m certain that meditations were invented as a substitute for being in proximity, perhaps even intimacy to autonomous, expansive human energy and individual(s). Being proximal to someone like that can be either variously re-assuring or perhaps, also, resentment-making to the point of ambition and sublimated, re-worked jealousy. Even ignoring that stimulus over time doesn’t cut the mustard as there is something to ignore, inevitably.
Meditations can also be utterly irrelevant and mere time-fillers, like cake can be. Or like compulsive gym training. Or working in offices when the sun is shining or when it’s snowing or when you’d rather be with your partner at home, or when you’d rather be walking the dog. They, meditations, probably have nothing to do with being relieved of that initial ambition or even ‘inferiority’.
And finding someone who was pretty cool yet hot and had thousands of people swooning at any given time, just makes one seem slightly effete despite having, apparently, this same reality to play in.
Regrets and turning them into Edith Piaf odes…or/and enduring, associated, conscious equivalence through uplifted, loved, synergised memory?
Nice to able to experience it all, in the first place.
Synergy:
1. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects.
2. Co-operative interaction among groups, especially among the acquired subsidiaries or merged parts of a corporation, that creates an enhanced combined effect.
3. An instance of either such interaction.
If you don’t know how to do it, I’ll show you how to walk the dog.
Lokesh: “On Ibiza, we have very strict zoning laws in regards to construction.”
Probably necessary and reasonable given that Ibiza has 91.4 inhabitants per square kilometre and limited space for expansion, being an island. In such an environment, rules are necessary for most activities, even for walking the dog.
Wasco County, Oregon, where Rajneeshpuram was started, had a population density of less than 4 people per square kilometre and lots of room for expansion. We were isolated, not bothering anybody, and contributing in a big way to the local economy.
Lokesh: “A bunch of orange-clad loonies shows up with an Indian guru, who has a penchant for Rolls Royces, and they start to immediately break the law. This has nothing to do with being a misfit and everything to do with not being aware of where you are on the planet.”
Rules are there to be broken, especially when they make little sense to begin with. We were having satsang and dancing in Music Group in the Buddha Hall ‘auditorium’, which, according to the rules, was only supposed to be used for agricultural purposes. Is that such a big transgression…given where we were on the planet…in the middle of nowhere?
Do what may, when two hardons meet there is going to be a collision!
All very well to roll out an old – but in this case rather disingenuous – cliché (“rules are there to be broken”) in highlighting such a bureaucratic absurdity, Samarpan, but I seem to recall the Commune broke several other rules and laws that were rather less stupid, thus not only creating a public relations crisis that was never resolved, but also hastening the eventual demise of the entire project.
In the lingo of tv football punditry, ‘Shocking defending, terrible management!’
Basically, they shot themselves in the foot, multiple times – only for apologists like yourself to spring up and blame anything and everything – restrictive laws, government, Church, courts, police, media, CIA, Reagan, ‘retarded and ignorant locals’ – except themselves and Osho (whose personal responsibility for the debacle, however small, is still hotly contested by those who bridle like highly-strung horses at the slightest suggestion the master might have got some things wrong).
Point taken, Satyedeva. Breaking local administrative regulations about agricultural use, to facilitate satsang sitting in silence, is not as serious as Sheela using bio-terrorism to influence an election or using attempted murder for power-related purposes.
The expression “Is the glass half-full or half-empty?..” has for many years highlighted the tendency for two people to see the same situation in different ways.
The standard ‘glass half-full or half-empty’ saying is commonly used to emphasize the difference between positive and negative thinking, or optimism or pessimism – or a cynic might say, the difference between irresponsible hopefulness and practical realism.
The Taoist sees that the glass is both half empty and half full, that neither half could exist without the other, requiring a point of balance in order to maintain equilibrium in the universe, and therefore, are merely two mirror images of the same realistic concept, so in the purity of absolute truth the glass is neither half full or half empty, the glass simply IS….
MOD: WHO WROTE THIS, PLEASE?
Look (!), Prem Martyn,
This is about what I meant with a nowadays (virtual) street work-street-theatrical kind of obnoxious, anonymous, up to terrorist way, as also stupid interference:
“Saadz says:
29 March, 2015 at 11:35 pm
OOOPPPSSS, there it is, Judas/Lokesh strikes again!!!”
Throwing stones out of his (Saadz’s glasshouse, I mean. That´s all.
Coming by a back door, throwing stones, disappearing as anonymously as invading this way).
Neither I am finished with Lokesh´s really down-to-earth, realistic (and up to nowadays, realistic) reminder and view, nor with your, Prem Martyn, addressing me the other day, and I haven’t been able to respond yet.
I thank you both, as well as Kavita, for sharing and taking the effort to find words.
Last night´s heavy spring storms here still in my bones and marrow.
See you later in the ´caravanserai….
Madhu
Saadz,
One more faceless name strikes again!!!
Why don’t you, brave heart, take the courage and abuse someone straight, face-to-face?
Calling Lokesh “Judas” is simply ugly and undeserved. If someone has the logic, write a strong rebuttal.
Shantam says:
“Maybe the Sannyas News forum and other disciples are not aware that there is no more Anando. She has reverted back to Susan Heffley. When no. 3 in hierarchy and as per the story, she was remembered by Osho till his last breath, chooses to drop sannyas name and reclaim her Christian name shows much. ”
I did know this. I understand she will publish a book soon about her mature reflections on her life and Osho. According to Amrito on his death bed Osho first called Anando his messenger, but then changed it just before he died to “Medium”. Her pre-sannyas name was actually Sue Appleton. Susan Heffley must be a choosen name. I don’t myself think it “shows much”. One of the instructions that Osho left was that people should not be “given” sannyas, but could still take it, but no name would be given by someone else. Someone could choose a new name if they wished.
Her first book about Osho being dangerous, written in 1988, has some merit.
However, at the time one could say she was in denial about what quite had gone down on the Ranch, clearly outlined by Lokesh, and how Osho had become tarred with the same brush as the small number, but highly destructive population of Sheela people.
I suspect that the whole entourage around Osho at the time could not understand why he had become such a pariah, and can only imagine this was a certain other-worldliness built up by being isolated, and just in Osho’s household for so long.
This is also a problem for those who came, and still come to Osho, as it is only by having been around at the time that one fully realised that his whole reputation had been destroyed in ‘ordinary’ western consciousness by 1986. India and Nepal were always a different ball game.
Parmartha, check the facebook profile under the name Susan Heffley.
Few years ago, when profile was with the sannyas name, I was in her friends list.
Many friends from commune days deleted me for having read my uneasy and provocative thoughts. Once I wrote, “People who were entrusted to run a multiversity are running some correspondence course about meditations.”
I think she must have taken the satire on her personally, as I was ‘unfriended’.
During the last month, incidentally I came across her photo with the new name. So something new!
Question is, what it means when someone shed away the identity cherished and built by years of hard work. Anando is not just a name, but a part of history.
People who dropped out of Sannyas decades ago still keep the name, and here is Anando aka Susan Heffley! There is more to it than just a change of season´s end wardrobe.
El Chudo declares, “Many friends from commune days deleted me for having read my uneasy and provocative thoughts.”
Goodness! Could this be a case of having an over-inflated opinion about one’s self? Heavens forbid. Perhaps the Meister was simply perceived to be a pest.
Checking out profiles on Facebook. Well, Osho did say that it was good to live dangerously and therefore I simply can’t wait for the latest updates on our very own Inspector Clueless’s adventures in virtual reality. Golly, isn’t this exciting?
I say, well fielded, PM.
Anando’s web presence does not indicate she has stopped using Anando. There are many Anandos in the world. Anando Heffley, being a hybrid name, is unique. More power to her!
http://www.ashacentre.org/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=69:anando-heffley&Itemid=3
Asha Centre biographical note is few years old.
Change on the facebook profile is recent.
Santa Singh, ” Sukha the son of village mayor has immigrated to Canada?”
Banta Singh, ” It cannot be. Just last month we were drinking with few other friends.”
As far as my comment about Judas/Lokesh, I’m simply, ‘calling a shovel a shovel’.
Enlightenment is beyond the mind. Osho is beyond the mind & was beyond the mind when He was in His Body. Osho is now an Ascended Master of Light. Are you? I’m not.
Those of you that are criticising Osho are doing it with your rational mind. Enlightenment is beyond that.
It’s like a caterpillar criticising a butterfly. It don’t fly, man, it don’t fly.
This is my last comment on this page.
How very twee and typical of a none-too-sharp perspective…Yawn.
Osho taught much by example. For instance, although he may have been beyond the mind, rational and otherwise, he certainly employed his mind and intellect to form his discourses.
Although claiming to not be beyond the mind, Saadz claims to understand what enlightenment is, as in, “Enlightenment is beyond that.” How could he know this? He obviously has no existential understanding and therefore one can only conclude someone told him this. Could be a tragic case of being willing to believe anything, while lacking the courage to find out himself. Parroting will get him nowhere, which is perhaps where he imagines he wants to be.
The poor chap concludes, “This is my last comment on this page.” Is he so delusional that he believes that this will be of the slightest concern to anyone posting on SN?
One contemporary and maverick guru has given the certificates to the others in religious sector. As I have no hunger or thirst or longing to listen to any spiritual master´s voice other than Osho, I won´t watch the interview with the news anchor but the title is really very catchy: ‘Many Gurus Today Only Good To be Temple Priests’.
Check out where your guru/Avatara stands!
Life is such in the vast cosmos, deceased gurus may be everywhere like retired presidents on Safari, but press coverage is given only to the living.
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/we-the-people/we-the-people-many-gurus-today-only-good-to-be-temple-priests-says-sadhguru-jaggi-vasudev/361630?pfrom=home-lateststories
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Without understanding the basic psychology, it is hot air to discuss psychology of enlightenment and so on.
The faceless name Saddz has written a heartfelt post, Lokesh´s rejoinder is dry as milk powder, so why not Saadz dare to write with authority and a face?
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As someone with a near-zero understanding of or even willingness to look into his own psychological make-up, a very large number of Shantam’s own posts (like this one) themselves lack any sort of “authority”!
To describe Saddz’s execrable, second-hand nonsense as “heartfelt” and Lokesh’s measured response as “dry as milk powder” is all too typical of where he’s at: utterly stuck in an ever-increasing mire of undiscriminating unintelligence, where uninformed, self-created emotional codswallop is mistaken for good sense.
Perfectly correct, Shantambhai!
The mind, as Saadz says, can never understand the no-mind like the mindless disciples such as you, I or Saadz can!
To the western mind, Saadz may appear not as a butterfly but rather as an emotionally stunted, one-legged parrot with learning difficulties falling from his perch, squawking “mind, no-mind” into a pile of his own guano at the bottom of his gilded cage, but we who know, know the truth!
They understand nothing of how mindless masters work! The same has happened with other masters such as Sai Baba, the rational minds of the disciples cannot understand!
If the disciple is ass-ended by an ascended master then it is a device done for the disciple’s own good!If one is buggered senseless by one who has gone beyond mind, then to cry foul is just to show that one is lost in the mind which is nothing but mind and has become a Judas!
Nothing could be more clear!
Have you, Bhai, in your astrological explorations with the masters, not often felt the energy of the lingam of mighty Bhorat entering the sphere of Uranus?
You, like a true disciple, have nothing but gratitude because you have suckled at the holy mammary of mighty Bhorat and not purchased dry milk powder from a Judas at a corner-shop run by an abc maharishi!
Yahoo!
Hari Om!
Keep em coming, Yogi. Love it.
Indians sometimes wonder why few merchants of East India company could rule the country of millions. I was also wondering. Not any more.
After seeing the control of two or three westerner discipless over Osho Ashram, I can understand the helplessness or utter ignorance. We Indians are designed to be the workers, mental workers of the world.
What is your take about it, Dr. Anand Yogi?
Quite so, toilet wallah.
Now, run along and fetch me my gin and tonic.
I`ll be on the verandah.
Come on, jeldi jeldi….
Lols.
The head honcho of IS is called Bhagdaddi.
Existence, eh?
Who writes this stuff?
I would like to meet him/her!
Bhagdaddi…that’s a good one. Married to an ugly bint called Bhagmammi, no doubt.
Q:* IT’S BEEN REPORTED THAT SHEELA HAS CALLED YOU ONE OF THE MOST CORRUPT HUMAN BEINGS ON EARTH. GIVEN THE AMERICAN CONCEPTION OF CORRUPTION, DO YOU THINK SHE HAS ANY REASON TO SAY THAT?
A:* I don’t know the American conception of corruption. I think corruption is the same whether it is in America or in Germany or in India. And if Sheela calls me the most corrupted man in the world, that’s a great compliment. In fact, she is habituated to call me the most enlightened man in the world. Now she has to find something else, but “the most and the unique” still remains in it unconsciously.
She has put “corrupted man” instead of “enlightened man”, but nothing changes. I am still the “unique” and the “most unique” man in the world. So just tell her, “Thanks for your compliment.”
Osho.
The Last Testament, Vol 2
Chapter #30
That Osho can turn being called ‘the most corrupted man in the world’ by someone he appointed his right- hand woman says much about Osho. I suspect that she meant what she said, Certainly no big deal. The pendulum swings.
“One of the most famous parables is the five blind men and the elephant. They had never heard about elephants when for the first time an elephant came into the city. All five blind men were great friends and great philosophers.”
http://en.textsave.org/GV0b
Dear Kavita (1 April, 2015 at 2:33 am),
We could call an Emergency Plumber Firm, called HARDON Inc., Iowa, or something comparable.
Ever so nice – if it´s true or not, that Einstein is said to have said (last words):
“When I come again, I´d like to be a plumber.”
Likely it is said that Goethe´s last words were “More Light, please”….
Madhu
P.S:
There is Light more than enough, I would say, but not everybody uses it for Seeing.
But as far as the plumbing goes, we are not so well getting along, isn´t it?
This is my feedback of the moment to an identity named ‘Dmateus 1′, who asked for feedback in some remote caravanserai corner some 2 hours ago. He said he is ´new´ to eastern philosophy and then posted the pic of a tree eaten up by flames (at least that appeared as such in my Apple computer here, combined with his name and called an “update”).
Found a response in ´wicki-net´:
“Pyromania is an impulse control disorder[1] in which individuals repeatedly fail to resist impulses to deliberately start fires,[1] in order to relieve tension or for instant gratification. The term pyromania comes from the Greek word πῦρ (pyr, fire). Pyromania and pyromaniacs are distinct from arson, the pursuit of personal, monetary or political gain. It is multiple, deliberate and purposeful fire-setting rather than accidental.[2] Pyromaniacs start fires to induce euphoria, and often fixate on institutions of fire control like fire stations and firefighters. Pyromania is a type of impulse control disorder, along with kleptomania, intermittent explosive disorder and others….”
Madhu
P.S:
It may be of concern to others too – onlookers or contributors: I am concerned. Very much so.