Swami’s last Wish for a Library being circumvented

Attempt to get round Swami Govindanand’s Will

Proposed Koregoan Park Library Site below with inset, the present occupants.

Osho flat in murky waters
Commune was planning to sell late sannyasin’s apartment in KP, meant to be used as a library as per his will.
(Text  below from the Pune Mirror, September 3rd, 2014)
Osho may have thought of money as a distraction against happiness, but the message clearly hasn’t trickled down to the Osho International Foundation (OIF), whose bank accounts in Switzerland were frozen by a Swiss court in June for misappropriation of funds.An apartment owned by a late Osho sannyasin, meant to be used as a library as per his will, was instead in the process of being sold off and the proceeds handed over to OIF, when the property agreement landed in the hands of sannyasins associated with the Friends of Osho group. The deal received a major setback after one of the group, whose legal opinion was sought, realised that the apartment, put up for Rs 32,50,000, could not be sold to a third party.
Shockingly, the agreement has no mention of Manju Agrawal, daughter of Swami Govindanand, who owned the flat before his death.The library was initiated by Swami Govindanand as the Osho Swageet library at Flat #8, building B-14 in Meeranagar, Koregaon Park, to carry forward Osho’s work. Swami Govindanand passed away on December 3, 2003.
In his will, he bequeathed his property and one fixed deposit in Cosmos Bank, to Osho Swageet under the guidance of seven trustees, namely, Manju Agrawal, Jagdish Vasani, Jagdish Gupta, Sanjay Bagmar, Swami Anand Prem, Swami Prem Chaitanya and Radheshyam Saraswati.Swami Anadi alias Kishor Raval, who realised that the property could not be sold to a third party, said, “We recently found out that Swami Dhaynesh (Dhanesh Joshi) of OIF called all the trustees of Osho Swageet Library and asked them to sell the property. The sale agreement had been drafted and they asked the trustees to sell the property to ‘any third party’ and give them the proceeds earned through the sale.”Having been exposed, it appears that the trustees and OIF are now ready to scrap the deal. Sanjay Bagmar, one of the trustees, told Mirror, “We have scrapped the deal, the property will be handed over to OIF as was Swami Govindanand’s wish. OIF had asked six executors to sell the property to a third party and hand over the proceeds.”He added, “We do not know why they were not ready to accept the property as it is. We consulted legal advisors who told us the property cannot be sold to a third party, so we have scrapped the deal.”

When asked why the sanyasin’s last wishes were not respected, he said, “Swami Govind had a collection of books and audio cassettes to be used for the library, but there are no takers for cassettes these days, and with the commune located nearby, no one really wants to read books.”

Visitor Michael English alias Duriya Electricwala who is currently living at the flat on rent and hoping to buy it, said, “I know nothing about this. We have been paying rent for the last five months and now suddenly have been asked to vacate the flat immediately. We made a full payment for purchasing the flat and now we will lose Rs 10,000 paid for the demand draft.”

Swami Dhyanesh alias Dhanesh Joshi who was dealing with the trustees and the occupants of the flat chose not to respond to the emails sent by the Mirror.

Swami Govindanand’s daughter, Manju, told the Mirror, “My father collected books and audio tapes of Osho Rajaneesh and his entire flat was filled with them. He was so passionate about his work that he wanted his property to be used as a library even after his death. If OIF is unable to respect his last wish, they should return the property to his wife and children.”

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42 Responses to Swami’s last Wish for a Library being circumvented

  1. Arpana says:

    Thank God for a really reliable source of information.
    Given the story is in a newspaper, we know it’s true. To the letter.

    • satyadeva says:

      I say the finger of suspicion in this case surely points towards Mr Michael English for calling himself Swami Duriya Electricwala (or is it vice-versa?).

      I mean, why not Electricmala, for God’s sake? What sort of charlatans are getting into Sannyas these days, eh?

    • prem martyn says:

      Foreign readers may wish to note the use of the obvious as ironic, under EU rules. without preservatives or warning labels.

  2. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    First moment today I laughed looking at SN tonight, around before midnight, Arpana.

    The credit goes all to you.

    Madhu

  3. Shantam Prem says:

    It was supposed to be like this.
    People who did not follow the wishes of their master will also not follow the wishes of a devotional disciple.

    Fact is, Osho Resort is operating in red. It has more debts than surplus and that too, when property was given on the plate. 100% of the property was purchased when groups were bringing bumper crop of foreign currency.

    I must give the credit to Jayesh for being a good investor on behalf of community. Mr. Chairman is in the league of top of the range property developer but running the spiritually-oriented place is not his cup of tea.

    If Resort was a company registered at share market where you present quarterly results, I am sure it would have already been declared bankrupt.

  4. lokesh says:

    What difference does any of this make to your life? If you have an iota of intelligence your answer must surely be, none at all.

    • anand yogi says:

      Lokesh, the difference that it will make to a true sannyasin is enormous, more than can be imagined by the mere mind of a baboon!

      Have all the wise words of the tireless, heroic Shantam et al all been in vain?

      Without the energy of Osho pumping purely from the main pumping station in Koreagon Park, the glorious Osho religion which will last a thousand kalpas as promoted by the true devotees may never happen!

      The world will slump into superficiality and identification with its own sexual organs as Kabir has so rightly pointed out!

      Neither the beautiful buddhas at your local cut-price supermarket nor the Tantric exertions of Avinash will be enough to prevent a baboon-led global suicide as the Anglo-Saxons urinate last night’s gin on the holiest of holy shrines!

      Regime change has happened in Iraq and Libya.
      Surely we can gain the same results in Koregaon Park?

      Hari Om!
      Yahoo!

      • Kabir1440 says:

        “The world will slump into superficiality and identification with its own sexual organs as Kabir has so rightly pointed out!” — Anand Yogi

        Beloved Anand Yogi,

        Yes! Night after night Osho said to us: “Go deeper. You are not the body. You are not the mind. You are buddhas.”

        Osho never contradicted himself on this.

        I never heard Osho say: “Stay superficial. Identify with your sex organs. Identify with the thoughts in your mind. Identify with your gender. You are men. You are women. You are not buddhas.”

        Sex is not being condemned. Identification is being condemned. The book that caused all the ruckus was FROM SEX TO SUPERCONSCIOUSNESS. Some people never got beyond the second word: a guru who celebrates sex! Hooray!

        Well, yes. As a first step. Not as another identification: a gender identification. I am man, I am woman…Wrong track. Dead end.

        • anand yogi says:

          Perfectly right, Kabir.
          Many never got beyond that first stage of sex that you refer to.
          But a few have reached!
          I can with great humility place myself and you also, who have so evidently achieved, in this category of attainers of superconsciousness!

          It is indeed sad and provoking of compassion to see so many sannyasins still now completely attached to those superficial and irrelevant sausage sweetmeats between their legs and continuing to abuse the freedom that Osho has given them!

          Yet, I am overjoyed that you have gone beyond the first step and onto the second.
          You have understood Osho’s words!

          But there is one further step!
          My feeling is that you have not reached the point which is beyond both sex and superconsciousness both!
          You have understood Osho’s words, but have you understood fully the words of Swami Bhorat?

          I think not.

          There is still some way to go on your journey, dear Bhai!

          Yahoo!

    • Shantam Prem says:

      Oh my God, Isis has again killed one innocent American?
      “So what, what difference does it make to your life? If you have an iota of intelligence your answer must surely be, none at all.”

      I don´t know whether Lokesh will answer in such an idiotic way or if all the Scots are like this. If it is so, I don´t think they deserve their own nation. Under the British umbrella they can feel safe.

      If someone has any respect for human intelligence, he will take part to raise his fist against every injustice, against every blunder.

      In my opinion, this is the meditative legacy of Osho.
      About others, I care a shit.

      • anand yogi says:

        Perfectly correct, Shantambhai!
        These Anglo-Scottish baboons must be fisted!
        And you are the man for the job!
        Even if Johnny English is evicted from his flat, it is no different than he had been beheaded on live TV for one such as Shantam, who burns with righteous indignation!

        Shantam has stood his ground and fought!
        He has righted the wrong, not by staying in Koregaon Park, but by heroically running away to Germany and obtaining social security from the gora and then ejaculating ceaselessly on his keyboard!!

        Only those such as I, Ashok and Avinashi,who have stood shoulder-to-shoulder and have worn the same holy underwear for a thousand years can feel true pride in such heroic behaviour!

        The disgusting Scots have not only abused the freedom that Osho has given them but their ex-sannyasins have brought disgrace on their own, and this nation of baboons, who have no underwear at all – what to say of holy underwear? – should be denied nationhood altogether!

        Shantam, as ever, speaks from the behind on behalf of the beyond!

        Yahoo!
        Hari Om!
        Och Aye the Noo!

      • satyadeva says:

        “If someone has any respect for human intelligence, he will take part to raise his fist against every injustice, against every blunder.

        In my opinion, this is the meditative legacy of Osho.
        About others, I care a shit.”

        While Anand Yogi has put things supremely clearly, I want to ask you, Shantam, whether you’ve actually stopped to consider the implications of what you’re proposing here?

        If you or anyone goes looking for “every injustice…every blunder” then you won’t have time, let alone energy, for anything else, simply because injustice and blunders are almost everywhere – and, it would seem, multiplying almost exponentially!

        Forget mere words on any online blog, if you truly believe in a cause then get up and do something instead of telling everyone else how terrible things are. Unless, of course, you enjoy being nothing but a righteous old windbag…

        And you really believe that “this is the meditative legacy of Osho”? What on earth would you know, as a man who’s not only not interested in meditation, but who has consistently made derogatory and/or patronising remarks about those who are, in your terms, foolish enough to bother?

        Your foolishness would be simply breathtaking – if we hadn’t heard it all before….

        • Shantam Prem says:

          I can modify the punchline sentence, “If someone has any respect for human intelligence, he will take part to raise his fist against injustice, against blunder; if not everywhere, at least in his immediate environment.”

          It is like repairing the system.

          7Even till his last speaking days, Osho has not stopped giving his opinion and voice regarding issues and events of his time.

  5. frank says:

    With Rowan Atkinson as Michael English?

    Anyway, it sounds like Duriya Electricwala got a nasty shock!

  6. prem martyn says:

    Lokesh, we should have warned you but we failed…
    Apparently, El Chudo gives a shit about your reply…

    Are there caves in which to hide from such caring-sharing menaces on your island idyll…?Do you have a false beard to use in public?
    Best avoid going out during daylight and go “Uhhh?” when someone mentions Gurus.

    • Shantam Prem says:

      Martyn, this is not true that Shantam i.e. El Chudo, gives a shit about Lokesh´s reply.
      I wait for his posts and I have much love and respect for him.

      • prem martyn says:

        We also all wait for your posts like the night waits for the smell of chips frying in the evening breeze laced with a hint of ketchup followed by some beer and burps under the full moon night until we slump listless at the computer screen in devotion and joy filleddddddzzzszzzz zzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz.

  7. Shantam Prem says:

    If meditators really believe about their meditation then they should feel ready for any scrutiny, any analysis about their behaviour and interpersonal interaction.
    Without this scientific approach, we drag meditation and inner journey into make-believe world of superstitions and myths.

    Affairs of Pune are important to be discussed openly, one for the reason, disciples of Osho are not connected with the primitive religions of the past.

    Also, it gives us mirrors and windows to see, in the name of meditation we just cannot eradicate conflicts. It is like just by talking heart and love is no guarantee that mind will not interfere.

    • anand yogi says:

      Absolutely correct, Shantambhai!
      This eviction of Johnny English from his flat will prove to be a vital moment in spiritual history, like the assasination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand was to temporal history!

      I am with you, Bhai.
      We shall go on to the end!
      We will fight them on our computers!
      We will fight them on our keyboards!
      We will fight them in the internet cafes!
      We will fight them online!
      We shall never surrender!

      We will not tolerate make-believe superstitions!
      Our approach must be totally scientific!
      Shantambhai, with a tattered copy of Linda Goodman’s ‘Sun Signs’ under your bed, who can doubt your scientific credentials?

      As a self-proclaimed Astrologer of the Vedic Science of Starsigns…it is clear that your scientifically-verifiable connection to Uranus is there for all to see!

      We rally round you, O fighter against Injustice!
      You are like a slightly overweight Gandhi taking on the might of the Baboon Empire!

      Yahoo!
      Osho Zindabad!

      • lokesh says:

        Oh, holy Yogi, I bow down at your hob-nailed boots. Most enlightening.
        As for the Swami’s last wishes, I read a few lines and fell into a coma. My interest in such matters is zero.

  8. Shantam Prem says:

    How to gauge any master´s last wishes…Is there a need that everything should be written down on the paper?

    For example, if in an ashram during master´s lifetime, yellow lentils are cooked every Wednesday. Unless otherwise stated, the continuity of the said ritual will remain forever in that master´s ashram.

    Similar is the situation with maroon and white robes.
    Commune or Resort: importance of robes is maintained vigorously.
    Dr. Amrito is so particular about it that white should be really white, just white.
    This can be termed as device.

    But then why to scrap five festivals sanctioned and originated by Osho himself?
    In this they sense religious flavour and that is no good.

    On the whole, few people have made life so messy and complicated simply to protect their own space.

  9. lokesh says:

    His Holiness, Chuddyji, enquires, “How to gauge any master´s last wishes…Is there a need that everything should be written down on the paper?”

    Holy guys leave behind on paper what they can’t take with them, which reminds me of…never mind.

  10. Shantam Prem says:

    “When people do meditation, the way I do, they will become like Me.”

    This is the common perception of many of the people who got hold of the new toy called Meditation.
    If something does not fit into their idea and version, they won´t hesitate to diagnose, “Meditation is missing.”

    On this little network of blogging, my memory comes on the name Satyadeva, he sounds like such meditator.

    • satyadeva says:

      Well, in your case, Shantam, given your multiple derogatory remarks at SN about meditation and meditators (your latest offering being a good example, especially this classic little slice of unadulterated ignorance: “ ‘When people do meditation, the way I do, they will become like Me.’ This is the common perception of many of the people who got hold of the new toy called one Meditation.”), one wonders whether you have any inkling at all of what meditation is (and isn’t) – here’s a clue: it’s not about simply ‘doing’ a technique.

      Furthermore, the obvious question arises:
      As someone this ignorant of meditation and indeed of all other practices that went on at the Pune ashram in ‘the good old days’, what on earth do you envisage people doing all day there now, according to your personal ‘ideal vision’ of how the place ‘really ought to be run’?

      Mingling in large crowds on so-called ‘Celebration Days’, keeping an eye on any sexual chance that might just come along? Screwing all night and sleeping it off during the day, perhaps? Before staggering along to an Osho video or ‘White Robe’, hopefully picking up another one afterwards and then back to ‘the really important stuff’ in the bedroom?!

      You give the impression that ‘would rather suit you, sir’…Or would other activities be on offer for the misguided fools, the absolute morons – you know, ‘meditators’ – to keep them quiet, as it were?

      Or are you simply a nostalgic old git, drowned in longing for an ‘ideal’ past that will NEVER return, no matter how loudly or persistently you might complain, criticise, rant and wail?

  11. Shantam Prem says:

    Satyadeva, let us say hypothetically, someone called Shantam has logged more hours in meditation than you. I am sure, still you will think, he is not meditator. Your fucking mind is the barrier to go beyond the comfort zone. This is the common problem.

    The people, the management of the ashram I criticise because of their policy matters and I know that too that they have spent their life doing meditation.

    Few people in India believe those who meditate don´t fall sick. Few think meditators don´t need Viagra or Cialis, they control everything with their breathing!

    Meditation is not a lollypop to substitute simple thing called Aspirin. Osho´s own life is a testimony.

    • satyadeva says:

      “Your fucking mind is the barrier to go beyond the comfort zone. This is the common problem.”

      Yes indeed, Shantam – and very much the “problem” for you, it would seem! Eg, making up a “hypothetical” case that has no shred of relevance to the issue.

      And btw, I strongly suspect your claims re the Pune management, ie Amrito and Jayesh, having “spent their life doing meditation” rests on very shaky foundations. As far as I recall, it’s hardly true of neither of them, but no doubt this can be clarified by someone better informed than you or me.

      But again, this is essentially a ‘red herring’, as the crux of the matter is, as Lokesh has stated today (and as I implied yesterday) that you appear to have no clear vision of the future of the place you’re so fervently and obsessively crusading about.

      But how could you, when you have little or no interest in or empathy for so much of what went on there in those ‘good old days’ you’ve so often waxed nostalgic about?

      I’d like to ask you, Shantam, what do you think Sannyas is about, what exactly is it for you, what does it mean, practically, in your everyday life? As I honestly wonder whether it means anything much, apart from a hopeless, doomed wish to somehow resurrect the dead past – including the personal dead past of your youth.

  12. lokesh says:

    El Chudo declares, “The people, the management of the ashram I criticise because of their policy matters and I know that too that they have spent their life doing meditation.”

    I suspect this statement is, to a large extent, untrue. I think the reason Chudo chooses to criticise the ashram is because of a negative state of mind and its need to project that negativity on to something or someone. The process provides a convenient avenue to give form to himself in the shape of a ‘crusader’.

    From what I can gather from his many posts what he would substitute the current ashram management with is not at all clear. This does not seem to occur to him, because it is unimportant to him. What is important is his crusade, because without it he would have to face his intrinsic nobody-ness and unimportance in relation to the world. Were he to discover a more creative outlet to channel his energies into his need for a convenient screen to project his negativity onto would dissolve.

    One way or another we all participate in similar behaviour patterns. What we don’t, for the most part, realise is that whatever we see in another is only seen because we recognize something inside of ourselves. Hence we run around like naughty robots, powered by the unconscious, a tremendous source of energy that could serve us instead of enslave us due to the fact that allowing unconscious impulses to drive us will pretty soon drain and leave us in a state somewhat akin to a black hole.

    The unconscious works in the dark. Consciousness is light. Shedding the light of awareness on the unconscious can free us of its hypnotic enslavement.

  13. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    “The unconscious works in the dark. Consciousness is light. Shedding the light of awareness on the unconscious can free us of its hypnotic enslavement”

    Glad you came up again in appearance, Lokesh, after one of your rather sarcastic remarks of “falling into coma” and I guess this was meant for a hearty laughter – but I haven’t managed so far…

    I am hooked this day by your statement that all consciousness IS light as well as “awareness”. Well, if a caravanserai is highjacked by parts of what is called the ‘animal brain’ (fight and flight – or going into freeze and being stuck in between (mostly onlookers), there are times, and maybe for anybody, more or less, to go inside and look for other support – inside-outside.

    As we are all interdependent, even in virtual realms like this one (and maybe even more so), wake-up calls we have to work up ourselves, looking for fellow-travellers and checking out if that makes sense by our very own ‘body-mind-psyche’ response. And looking after our own inner ‘telephone-connection’ to the wisdom-soul of the matter.

    I found support to keep on going these last days by listening to a chat (again) on Conscious TV:
    a chat between two women, one a trauma therapist, Christine Jensen, talking about “Trauma and Awakening” with the wife of Ian McNay, Renate.

    When we once heard “This Very Body, The Buddha”, this was not some esoteric mumbo-jumbo but pointing to the fact that the way to embody insights is a never-ending effort.

    And sure enough, highjacking of ‘animal brain’ behaviour (put in words) quite often is suffocating (also suffocating websites).

    So, I am happy to read your contribution on a caravanserai website table, Lokesh.

    And GOOD MORNING to everybody.

    Madhu

  14. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    Would like to share with you, Satyadeva, that unconsciousness is not something to fight (in others or in yourself), it will always win when you approach it this way, and has so many heads like a Hydra: if you cut one, several others will appear on stage, as it is happening here, it will scream and howl and contradict your every effort to tame it or to make it disappear.

    So your apparent fight with ‘outer Shantam’ could go on and on and on…

    I saw an ice-splitter in your heart and in my heart too quite often when I read about your efforts to tame. And I also know about the poison of bitterness, Shantam.

    Both have to meet, but both are very very personal affairs, and to talk about it in a sharing way, addressing others in ‘letters’ is indeed an arduous task to find the authentic words; words which do not compel others, but invite them as as human as you are, neither standing above nor below – human-ness.

    Madhu

    • satyadeva says:

      Decent point, Madhu, re the apparent futility of directly ‘hammering’ the likes of Shantam for his nonsense.

      Perhaps you prefer Anand Yogi’s approach, ie the way of ridicule? Or Lokesh’s mix of poking fun and reasoned argument? Perhaps not?

      I notice you choose not to bother with Shantam at all, yet see fit to recommend ‘a human approach’ when dealing with him or other (hopefully temporary) ‘adversaries’. It would be interesting to see you provide such an example, to ‘walk your talk’ (or ‘talk your talk’, as it were!), next time you strongly disagree with and/or feel offended by his outpourings.

  15. shantam prem says:

    Every living entity falls sick, can be attarcked by virus and parasites.
    What is true for animals, plants, human beings is also true for business companies, families, nations and spiritual movements.

    Having spent years with heart and soul into Osho’s Sannyas and that too at the headquarters, I have the privilege to see the movement and the people behind from close angles. That is basically the purpose of institutions. One can observe the research from many angles.

    It is my clear observation that after Osho’s death (or leaving the body kind of poetic expression), His work has been downgraded by His own people. I know their compulsions too.

    Few armchair thinkers like Lokesh can call it projecting the negativity.
    It shows man is street-smart but no formal education. This surely he has compensated by reading spiritual texts from East.

    It is true, “The unconscious works in the dark. Consciousness is light. Shedding the light of awareness on the unconscious can free us of its hypnotic enslavement.” But my impression is Lokesh has not dug enough into his own unconsciousness. His impressions are born from his socio-economic and stable family life.
    I remember 90% Indian uncles…

    This is one of the reasons middle-class uncles with their adoring wives around feel comfortable enough to say, “God is inside. Dig regularly your wife and you find one.”

    Surely such people had not shown any interest in Osho.
    Most of the kids of dysfunctional West got attracted to Indian mystics during the last quarter of the last century. Once they met the right men and women, they found it, truth is within.

    Those who could not are still going to the groups of famous therapists

    .

    • anand yogi says:

      Yes, Shantambhai,
      certainly parasites were and are there, but unlike you, they had no formal education in the eastern phenomenon of meditation and have no understanding of how religions evolve, which is a natural occurence for one who comes from a lineage where the same holy underwear has been worn and passed down forcenturies!

      These westerners like the Scotsman Lokesh were not the right people to come to mystics in the last century, but you, Shantam Bhai, certainly were the right person!

      How tragic that one such as you was forced by the negative astrological aspects of dysfunctional kids of Anglo- Saxon West from the lofty heights of Hindi typist of Osho’s vision to cleaning toilets in a spiritual wasteland and be brought so low as to have to misuse your typing gift to entertain the cynical and Scottish ex-sannyasins with adoring wives!

      Maybe it is time to take the advice of your middle-class uncle Bharat and “Dig your wife regularly. If you can find one.”

      Love!
      Yahoo!

    • satyadeva says:

      “It is my clear observation that after Osho’s death (or leaving the body kind of poetic expression), His work has been downgraded by His own people.”

      Please provide a few details worthy of such “clear observation”, Shantam. Otherwise one will simply have to accept that it’s just a matter of your personal opinion, quite likely largely influenced by certain delusions of grandeur (on your part) re your role at the ashram many years ago.

      As for your remarks on education and Lokesh, well, no doubt he’ll speak for himself, but suffice to say that if you don’t yet realise that formal education is no guarantee of common sense, let alone superior judgment, then you haven’t really learned a lot in your 50-plus years!

      (And btw, I’ve recently responded to you at the last topic).

      • shantam prem says:

        SD, with my personal opinions I won’t bore anyone.
        My observations are as correct as doctor writing the report after observing pulse, ECG and blood reports.

        I don’t blame you for dropping out from Osho’s game at the very start. We all make our choices and it should be so.
        I have stayed till the bitter end from the age of 22.
        I will compliment anyone who has been part of Osho movement till end to doubt any of my posts.

        The people in the leadership position have simply made the vasectomy with the spirit of Osho movement. It can grow old but won’t produce anything creative.

        • satyadeva says:

          Maintaining you perceive it all with absolute objectivity is deluding yourself, Shantam, as your view of the situation(s), based upon your personal preferences, beliefs and values will, unless extreme care is taken, invariably determine the value judgment(s) you make – and has clearly done so here.

          As I suggested yesterday, delusions of grandeur appear to be operating, this time re your assumed ‘scientific’ standpoint (and you’re the one who assumed the intellectual higher ground over Lokesh!)…

          Perhaps, Shantam, the process of expansion of the influence of a great master like Osho is not necessarily confined to the obvious, what can easily be seen by the naked eye, so to say.

          The very fact that he spoke directly (to large and small gatherings) and indirectly (via videos, audios, books) probably to millions of people (and still does, via the latter) means that his words have penetrated deeply into the collective psyche (call it ‘the akashic records’ if you like) and are therefore bound to have considerable influence – as truth – for many years, even centuries ahead.

          That’s not my personal invention, of course, it’s apparently common enough esoteric knowledge that I’ve happened to come across, from various sources, including Sannyas. But bearing that in mind can take the edge off the sort of disillusioned anxiety that you’re so often at pains to express. Leaving one with the question: What am I doing in my life to free myself from whatever’s holding me back from discovering the truth of who I am?

          Obsessed with the ‘outer’ concerns as you appear to be, Shantam, I wonder whether you ever truly ask this of yourself?

          • anand yogi says:

            Satya Deva, can you not see how Shantam’s`”observations are as correct as a doctor observing the pulse”?

            Surrender to his higher irrational wisdom or remain forever the prisoner of your Anglo-Saxon mind which is nothing more than mind!

            Shantam is totally perceptive!
            No skulduggery or deceptiveness passes his notice!
            One who has clocked as many hours of meditation and dedicated his whole life to Osho’s movement can not be fooled by the shenanigans of western baboons!

            The true devotion of the disciple who has given his whole life for the cause will always seem like delusion to the mind, but the brave and true disciples will hang in there to the bitter, bitter end!

            Yahoo!

  16. shantam prem says:

    Anand Yogi can call me Shantam Bhai (brother) or anything, I don’t think he deserves to criticise anyone on this site, be it Lokesh, Satyadeva or any other “baboon”.

    Not just in the miliatry, medical or money-related professions there is some hierarchy, some protocol, it is also very much there in the meditative inner journey.

    When a junior does not know in which class he is, someone should come forward to show him the way. Anand Yogi, I don’t know who this gentleman Bharat is, Lokesh is not less worthy. So hold your fingers on the keyboard. First, find some ashram to spend 5, 7 years before expressing anything publically.

    • anand yogi says:

      Shantambhai,
      You call them parasites and viruses, I call them baboons, what is the difference?
      Are we not singing from the same hymn-sheet and wearing the same holy underwear?
      Are we not united in the supreme knowledge of the utter failure of westerners to comprehend the master/disciple tradition that for both you and I has been an explosion and revolution in our intelligence and consciousness, which is now our sacred duty to share with the world, unlike these fools who dream that they are “a light unto themselves” and hence destroy Osho`s dream while it is still in its infancy?

      Yes, there is a hierarchy in the meditative inner journey, as you say. With this statement, you make clear how deep and clear your grasp of the nature of meditation, bhai!

      You may be higher up in the hierarchy than many of the parasites, viruses and baboons to be found here on SN and in the Eesort, but remember, I embody the spirit of Bharat and you may have “logged more hours in meditation” than Satya Deva, but I have certainly logged more hours than you and I also have an adoring wife!

      I am confident that Osho`s vision will be fulfilled.
      Also, the dream of Swami Bharat is also being spread far and wide, although at present only very few have truly understood the words of Swami Bharat!

      And I hope and pray that one day you, Bhai, will be able to truly comprehend the reality and nature conveyed by the words of Swami Bharat and the ordained inheritor of his legacy, Anand Yogi!
      It will be a great and rollicking awakening!

      Love!
      Yahoo!

  17. shantam prem says:

    “You call them parasites and viruses, I call them baboons, what is the difference?”

    I don’t call someone personally the parasite and virus. It is general by nature.
    And even if I call, I have earned it in this particular branch.
    As you know from your profession, nurses don’t call doctors by name!

    Next time address Lokesh as Lokesh, sir!

  18. Kabir1440 says:

    “But a few have reached! I can with great humility place myself and you also, who have so evidently achieved, in this category of attainers of superconsciousness!”

    Anand Yogi, there is nothing to attain. Buddhahood is not something to get. Just a simple remembering suffices. We are all already buddhas.

    “It is indeed sad and provoking of compassion to see so many sannyasins still now completely attached to those superficial and irrelevant sausage sweetmeats between their legs and continuing to abuse the freedom that Osho has given them!”

    There is nothing sad about it. We are not in a race. Things are going perfectly well.

    “Yet, I am overjoyed that you have gone beyond the first step and onto the second. You have understood Osho’s words!”

    Waking up is simple and easy and non-intellectual. No “steps” are required.

    “But there is one further step! My feeling is that you have not reached the point which is beyond both sex and superconsciousness both! You have understood Osho’s words, but have you understood fully the words of Swami Bhorat? I think not. There is still some way to go on your journey, dear Bhai!”

    The journey is never-ending; there is not “one further step.” Again, it is not a race and not a competition to attain anything. Take it easy, beloved Anand Yogi.

  19. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    “It would be interesting to see you provide such an example, to ‘walk your talk’ (or ‘talk your talk’, as it were!), next time you strongly disagree with and/or feel offended by his outpourings”

    You addressed me, did you? To do a little rating?
    Included is your rating of my stutterings: “talk your talk, as it were!”

    When I ‘walk my talk’, you would be needed at my side, Satyadeva,
    And me, like anybody , is ‘walking inner talk’ and inner chattering besides the blissful moments when silence is happening. And also this I have in common with anybody here.

    Truth is, mind is a Pandora´s box, yet it makes such a difference at what stage of consciousness it is dealt with, that very fact.

    If I feel to vomit (words) or cathart frustration or aggression (words), I mostly go into writing my very private diary, and what I learn by this procedure is that all these feelings have to do with my resistance to accept ‘what is’. Not to speak of my resistance to acknowledge my inability ´to love what is and is coming into appearance.

    Yes, it´s like you presumed, quite often I feel hurt (just by reading) and taking that to heart often takes time and also intentionally go into search what wounded spot in myself is not yet seen by myself – so sometimes an ‘insult’ is a very good vehicle for inner research.

    Sometimes it is just to wait and turbulence disappears on its own accord.

    It is not that I don´t bother.

    My own life experience is that any fight gives birth to another fight, individually as collective. And throughout these decades I met such a bunch of beautiful people who are utterly tired of fighting (inside-outside) – looking for ‘another way’.

    From the many remarkable Beings I have been gifted to meet this lifetime, just one remembrance of a woman, to finish my today´s try to respond to you, Satyadeva. She put out the question:

    “Do you want to be right, or do you want to love?”
    This is a question worth to take inside, isn´t it?

    Love,

    Madhu