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When I heard this, somehow it brought into my mind many so-called old disciples of Osho.
Many times I have been accused at Sannyasnews.com – by allegedly self proclaimed deep spiritual and elderly seekers, (are they really still disciples of Osho?) , how long I will remain hanging with a dead and gone Osho.
” Come to reality, Shantam, the dream is over. It is time to wake up man” kind of sent…ences, which are a repeat battering ram against me.
However in the world at large it seems Jesus is still relevant and people even publish biographies of him. Buddha is still relevant, people quote his words with the rapidity and accuracy of blood sucking mosquitoes to combat all arguments.
But here we are in 21st century and a recent master like Osho, well, really, how is he being treated?
- Mix His words in a drink; talk about days in the early ashram as if it was some kind of advanced gym - now is this really what is needed for Osho’s work from such well educated, well traveled and tantrically experienced seekers? Do they really believe they are a light unto themselves, and if so, why are they here pontificating on SN?
Shantam
Psychological Projection
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others.
For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.
Rationalisation (making excuses)
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
In psychology and logic, rationalisation (also known as making excuses[1]) is a defense mechanism in which controversial behaviours or feelings are justified and explained in a seemingly rational or logical manner to avoid the true explanation, and are made consciously tolerable – or even admirable and superior – by plausible means.[2] It is also an informal fallacy of reasoning.[3]
Rationalisation encourages irrational or unacceptable behaviour, motives, or feelings and often involves ad hoc hypothesising. This process ranges from fully conscious (e.g. to present an external defence against ridicule from others) to mostly unconscious (e.g. to create a block against internal feelings of guilt).
People rationalise for various reasons – sometimes when we think we know ourselves better than we do. Rationalisation may differentiate the original deterministic explanation of the behaviour or feeling in question.[4][5]
Shantam,
Who cares about these unconscious western baboons?
The question is also: why are you pontificating on SannyasNews?
The real Osho-life awaits you in the sanghas of Swami Rajneesh and Swami Arun, yet you prefer to beg money from the gora in a spiritual wasteland and ejaculate onto your keyboard rather than sow the seeds of love in a living commune with a living Buddha!
Why?
And the truth is that your pontification skills in bringing Osho into world are so poor that even your wife who was once a sannyasin has, since being subjected to your endless drivel, converted back to Christianity!
Is it not so?
And Bhai, your efforts here of preaching to the depraved ex-sannyasins has had only one effect…
That every reader of sannyasnews is now familiar with the term ‘chuddies’!
What was once a symbol of holiness, renunciation and the highest spirituality is now a byword for lavatory humour involving emissions from all the lower chakras!
You should feel shame, my brother!
You have made a laughing-stock all those who have ever taken on the brief of enlightenment!
Renounce the rotten world of West, stop complaining and join Osho`s vision before you poison everyone you know with your spiritual halitosis!
Love!
Yahoo!
Osho!
Anand Yogi,
Are you an Idiot or what?
I am talking about OSHO, and you are bringing soup of the soup.
This uncle of yours has spent prime of his life at Osho´s commune. I don´t need any other than that which was a joint venture between master and disciples.
If your heart and head thinks the two gentlemen are living Buddhas then don´t waste the time here, go and live in their presence.
One thing is clear, it proves my theory, how much brand Osho has fallen into a ditch. Companies which are not even traded have more market value.
A straight and true, even ‘entertaining’ response, Shantam, to a disconcertingly scurrilous post.
Reading your reply I feel a lot more ‘settled’, ‘lighter’, more certain of the ‘real path’, even though it might be or shortly become ‘the road less travelled’ in these strange, deeply unsettling times.
Thanks indeed, as long as you write words of such merit, I have no quarrel with you. Keep ‘em coming!
We are all village idiots, some more, some less!
We could all be grateful to Shantam for having taking on the role of the ‘greater’ village idiot. Where would we ‘lesser’ village idiots be if we couldn’t compare and react to our greater village idiot master? We would be grunting and rolling in our own idiotic dreams, much easier to throw mud at the ‘other’, who, alas, is only a mirror.
Perhaps you could create and run an ‘Awareness Workshop’, Karima, the topic being ‘Finding Your Inner Shantam, the Royal Road to 21st Century Village Idiocy’? (Don’t forget to ask all participants to bring their own mirrors).
I suggest there should ideally be three modules, at increasing levels of sophistication:
Level 1: Introductory – ‘We are all Village Idiots’
Level 2: The ‘Greater’ Level – ‘The Inner Game of Village Idiocy’ (a Lifestyle Choice)
Level 3: The Level of ‘Mastery’ – ‘Village Idiocy as a Way of Being’.
Satyadeva, hi, hi, hi…
Workshop too much work.
Reacting to Shantam on SN will keep us at R.V.I (Reactionary Village Idiot), level 1.
Not reacting to Shantam will keep us at I.R.V.I (Indifferent Reactionary Village Idiot), level 2.
The transcendence of these 2 is level 3, where indeed we discover the true Idiot in us, who is neither stupid nor clever, thus as you say: The Village Idiot as a Way Of Being will have been born!
Shantam, bhai!
Brand Osho has never had such high stock!
Osho Sannyas will soon be the state religion of Nepal thanks to the tirelss work of Arun, who is a man of action who imposes his will on the masses!
And with the help of Shri Modi,the embodiment of Zorba the Buddha as seen through the all-seeing eye of Swami Arun, Sannyas will expand in India beyond our wildest dreams, as Osho himself has prophesised!
And where are you in all this?
It seems you have fallen into a ditch behind your computer dreaming about the times when the female of the paleskinned species was even vaguely interested in you as a kind of novelty sextoy!
Those days are gone bhai!
The Osho movement has not shrivelled, it is your vital organs that have shrivelled!
You speak of companies and their trade value but what company have you ever had other than the company of absolute idiots and fools?
Here at sannyasnews you waste time trying to convince baboons about how religions evolve! In this matter, on account of your birth in the Indian subcontinent, you are undoubtedly an expert, but do you think that these depraved and retarded fools such as Satya Deva, Lokesh and Arpana, who are throwing themselves at the feet of their sex-crazed guru Russell Brand, to ever have the ears to understand your poetic outpourings that come straight from the beyond and the behind from one who has worn the holy underwear?
Never!
You are driving yourself into a ditch of frustration!
They will only laugh at you, continue to take intoxicants and titillate their genitals and make more and more disgusting jokes about the state of your “chuddies” and how they need to be changed!
I am ashamed to admit it, bhai, but sometimes I think these retarded baboons may even have a point.
But in very great humility, I also have to admit that if it continues to be your karma and dharma to clean the toilet of the gora in a spiritual wasteland and to shout impotent ejaculations at a computer, who am I to argue with the will of God and the universe?
Hari Om!
Yahoo!
El Chudo strikes again. The article is pure nonsense and once again we read of comparisons between Jesus and Buddha relating to Osho, who was not particularly Christlike or Buddhalike, neither in the way he was or how he chose to set up his spiritual community.
El Chudo enquires, “But here we are in 21st century and a recent master like Osho, well, really, how is he being treated?”
He chooses not to answer the question himself, except perhaps in undecipherable mumbo-jumbo, and therefore it remains open. “How is he being treated?” That would depend on who the question is addressed to. In El Chudo’s case he has hijacked Osho and uses him as a vehicle to get his frustrations out. Frustration is based on unfulfilled desire. Wanting things to be other than they are. Hence we have Chudo endlessly complaining about Resort management etc.
If the article illustrates anything clearly it is that its author is carrying a massive chip on his shoulder. I sense that the cause of this probably lies in childhood issues, maybe even sexual abuse by a parental figure. Somewhere down the line he was seriously buggered and he has never gotten over the trauma (probably still experiences pain every time he sits down) and thus it is that he views the world as he does. (Little wonder that to many he comes across as a pain in the ass). Quite tragic, one surely has to admit.
In his article, Shantam says:
“Many times I have been accused at Sannyasnews.com – by allegedly self- proclaimed deep spiritual and elderly seekers (are they really still disciples of Osho?) – how long I will remain hanging with a dead and gone Osho.
“Come to reality, Shantam, the dream is over. It is time to wake up, man” kind of sent…ences, which are a repeat battering ram against me.”
I recently wrote you something very similar, Shantam, but given how you’ve framed this here I seriously wonder whether you actually understood what I was getting at.
Let me spell it out:
I was making the point that you are apparently completely stuck in nostalgia for the past, for your and the Pune ashram’s ‘good old days’, under the illusion that it’s possible to bring them back again, virtually as good as new.
Believing this, despite Osho no longer being around, is classic delusory, wish-fulfilling fantasy, sheer denial of reality, of what we all have to face, ie that all such ‘best of times’ end – the only ‘solution’ being ‘going within’ and finding what’s real, ie unchanging in there.
Holding on to a wish to restore ‘past glories’ is just a dream, and if you carry on clinging to that then you’re unarguably just a dreamer who’ll end up creating a nightmare for yourself – including blaming others for your misery.
Okay, Arpana,
The first step in our time might be to use a ‘search machine’ (like google etc.).
The understanding of the dance yet comes up by applying quotations to oneself AND holding the line with the so- called ‘other’ too.
The latter is an ART, we sometimes call ‘l o v i n g’.
In that space we all become insecure; in the best moments:
NOT-KNOWING.
Madhu
Madhu,
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about,
although as regards loving…
I will be loving to whom I choose to be loving to,
not to whom you choose for me to be loving to.
Yes, Arpana, you really have no idea what I was speaking about -
and no, Arpana, I am neither your mother, nor father, and I don’t even know you personally, so any comments about whom your love falls unto is really out of question.
Madhu
P.S:
The issue about the ‘free’ will ‘to choose’ a lover, and the ‘freedom’ of such choice is worthwhile – maybe another thread…it’s an old, old, old subject….
Good.
I’m glad you understand me.
As I remember, the words “Be a light unto oneself” were the last of Osho’s public words? And certainly he got them from Buddha, and I suspect the Buddha also spoke them at the end of his life.
I have never been sure about the disciple role to a dead Master. It always seemed a bit naff to me. Hence my own embrace of those last words. There is a certain responsibility in them, ‘cos whatever actions one takes, based upon one’s own feelings and/or thoughts and the consequences, are then truly yours.
In a long life I am always amazed at the frequency that people blame someone else, including, and in particular perhaps, someone they once treated as a ‘Master’ or ‘Teacher’. Getting out of the habit of blaming anyone else is the beginning of maturity.
“Ladies and Gentlemen,
Your spiritual journey has reached its final destination of ‘Be A Light Unto Yourself’.
Please, all the passengers leave the train and don´t forget to take your mind load with you.
Thanks for choosing an Indian guru!
Goodbye and not to see you again.”
Shantam, bhai,
Do not try to sink to the level of the Anglo-Saxon baboons by attempting to use the depraved faculty of the so-called ‘sense of humour’.
It will only backfire and will end with your “chuddies” being run up a flagpole for all to see!
I have been consulting about you with some of Arun`s very advanced disciples!
Men who have even met Shri Modi and spoken with the embodiment of Zorba the Buddha himself!
They have checked the Akashic records for advice and are clear:
In order to fulfil your dharma it is necessary for you to unconditionally offer your posterior to be kicked and booted at all opportunities, even by the savage and cynical western baboon dogs!
In this way, you will create much needed karmic relief for these depraved and utterly foolish ex-sannyasins who believe that they are a light unto themselves and have betrayed our true religion!
Being a Punjabi and a failed lawyer to boot has rendered you eminently suitable on all fronts for the role that the Leela of Existence has bestowed on you!
The baboondogs say you are a village idiot, but they remain ignorant of the true truth!
You are a relig-idiot!
You are fulfilling an important karmic need in the world!
Go on…go on…
In the knowledge that every vicious blow to your backside is another step towards enlightenment and the emergence of the true spirituality of the land of our fathers!
Hari Om!
Yahoo!
Thwack!
Yogi, can I be your disciple?
I am ready, Lokesh!
But are you?
I have doubts about one such as you who has spent decades imbibing intoxicants, titivating your genitals and being a light unto yourself!
My third eye tells me that your sattvic level of commitment and surrender to complete some of the meditations that Arun and myself have devised may be sorely lacking!
These meditations have been created by Swami Arun himself for those who wish to blend Osho meditations with the Vedic wisdom of mighty Bharat!
Firstly, we have ingeniously devised a means…
We have modified a beerhat by placing two kamandalams in a turban and running a tube up from the chuddies, thus enabling the wearer to drink his own urine whilst doing Osho active meditations!
As Arun has said, change only comes about through the genius of one man imposing his ideas on the masses!
The Trishul meditation is one that Modi is mastering, much to Arun’s delight.It involves attacking defenceless Muslims, homosexuals and women with holy Hindu hardware, lathis, blades and trishuls.
Very cleansing!
And ideal for creating a great India with one great leader and one great religion!
No, Lokesh, you have abused the freedom that Osho gave you irrevocably and as a result, the only hope for going beyond the mind for you is to be shipwrecked on a desert island whilst chained to Shantam!
Hari Om!
Yahoo!
Och aye the Noo!
I have serious doubts about the mental state of Anand Yogi. He is a nice, loving, sensitive chap and also a doctor, but looks like, in the ashram terminology, he has gone Cuckoo.
My sincere wish is that Arun takes care of him.
He really needs personal attention and most probably work as worship at Tapoban.
Yes indeed, Shantam, that’s a keenly perceptive diagnosis and prescription for the healing that would seem of the utmost urgency at this juncture.
In its present uncertain state, Sannyas can not afford to lose people of genuine worth, so sincerely, I only hope that Anand Yogi forsakes his professional pride, listens (as it were) – and acts accordingly….
I really hope Yogi takes my advice in a brotherly and friendly way.
I have really not said in a satirical way.
He can show his own posts to Arun and let the boss give the necessary advice.
It is really beyond my capability to judge who is enlightened or who is not, Arun for sure is a down-to-earth meditator, performs his leadership role with zest and understands how to balance worldly matters without offending anybody.
Absolutely spot on again, Shantam.
And, if I may say so, an example to us all (or nearly all) to put aside purely ‘person-al’ concerns in favour of an altogether greater imperative, ie the ‘healing’ of one who has (in Christian terms) clearly ‘gone astray’, something that would in this case surely, at some level, beneficially affect us all, individually and even perhaps, collectively.
If, as you so wisely advise, Anand Yogi can only surrender to Arun, I mean really surrender – and frankly, I’d suggest nothing less than a ‘pilgrimage’ to his very feet – then much can surely happen…
But of course, you and I are ‘mere mortals’ in such matters, it’s the calibre of Arun that holds the psycho-spiritual key here, not our imperfect understanding.
Mighty Bharat? Was he previously incarnated as Ali G? I have studied his vids and know all about the youth in Asia.
Oh great Yogiji your astute perceptions have caused me to see the error of my ways and I am down to one spoon of peyote powder a day. And will soon be off coffee altogether.
Once purified to sattvic levels I will reapply my my submission for discipleship and hopefully find myself bowed down at your divine tootsies. All is love.
Arpana and Madhu, why don´t you take your personal chemistry to the next level: Video Chat on Skype!
Maybe there will be another level after this.
Not lost on me today this statement from Swami Anand Arun (Modi. the Indian Prime Minister visited Nepal earlier in the week):
August 3
“It was an honour to meet the Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modijee today. A man of his words, a man of courage and a man with vision and the passion to make it real.”
What a load of bollocks! Arun is a long way from being a light unto himself, given such statements!
Parmartha, you don´t have any idea about the socio-political environment of India and neighbour countries, neither you know the Indian PM beyond the headlines in so-called secular or leftist press.
Any sane person will use this expression for the visiting guest. In two months, President Obama will host the dinner for him. Maybe Modi will address the USA senate too.
Such pleasantries are part of protocol.
I would have slapped anybody if they go to the extent of saying, “Modi is a great spiritual seeker and just few inches away from Awakening.”
He is a politician, a Hindu politician and better than all other Indian politicians combined together. He surely cares about the ethos, culture and values of Indian soil and tries his best to live up to.
Well said, Shantam!
Shantam once called me Anand Oldman. Just out of respect, I am changing my name for this time to Anand Oldman!
I have seen some old-time western sannyasins say, “Well, we only respect Osho (even though he is from India) and not any other Indians.” I am seeing the same lot on this Sannyas News forum a lot. There are lot of things about Shantam and his postings that you can appreciate and love. Nobody wants to accept it.
In lot of online forums, there are two buttons right below every post, that say ‘Like / Dislike’. If there is a similar feature in Sannyas News, there are many of his postings that I would like to click on the ‘Like’ button.
Keeping all the personal journeys / trips aside ( in other words, I respect everyone’s views , not just Shantam’s), Osho deserves to be known in the world, as much as Buddha, Jesus or Gandhi. Just like they all have lot of positive aspects as well as some negative, Osho also may have few negative things about him,. After all, he is also a Human face of God.
Let me repeat, Osho deserves to be known in the world, as much as (if not more than) Buddha, Jesus or Gandhi. That doesn’t mean the world should convert to Osho religion. First of all, there is no such religion as Osho religion and secondly, people need not have to follow him necessarily. But his message can bring a new beginning in whatever the path they are in. It can help as a catalyst for higher consciousness.
That’s what people like Shantam have been stressing directly or indirectly. If certain regimes try to reduce Osho to an author or a meditation leader or a yoga teacher, or a wellness expert, it’s definitely not right. He is all of that, plus something.
I recently heard that an Italian long-time sannyasin, Lakshen, is working on making a film on Osho’s life. He has a background in films, so naturally he is trying to invest his skill to bring out the life of his master on the big silver screen. Why the regime is not supporting or endorsing such projects???? Is it not a fact?? On the other hand, traitors like Sheela successfully made films or authored books about their experiences, mostly showing Osho in bad light.
Dedicated Osho lovers like Milarepa , Anubhava etc. are abandoned by the Poona regime. So much recorded music , new meditation techniques, creativity is left to go down the drain. Why? I would sack anyone just to keep people like Milarepa on the board. THIS IS THE PROOF THAT THE REGIME HAS BEHAVED AS IF THE VERY FENCE WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO SAFEGAURD THE GARDEN IS EATING AWAY THE VERY FRUITS AND FLOWERS OF THE GARDEN.
When all these questions are asked,looking straight into the eye, people like Parmartha change their tone and say, “it’s naïve to ask such questions and all the politicians and powermongers are like that.” And they go on to preach that Arun and Rajneesh are even worse. “Osho World can’t even run a video properly on their website, how they can run the whole Osho’s work?” All that may be true, but what is missing is the ability to stand up and bring some diplomacy. I feel Shantam is doing that to some extent. he calls the spades the spades without any partiality.
Let me repeat one final time, Osho deserves to be known in the world, as much as Buddha, Jesus or Gandhi. It will happen with you or without you. You decide to be in or out.
Now I know how the Israelites felt when Moses came down from the mountain, carrying those tablets of stone, inscribed with ten commandments.
We are not worthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUZEtVbJT5c
Shantam and Oldman speak the truth for mighty Bharat!!
Pinko-leftie homo-secularists like Parmartha can never hope to understand how it is absolutely necessary in India for great spiritual leaders to insert the tongue into the backside of politicians in order to get the correct taste of fascism!
It is simply protocol and pleasantries to call a man who has excercised his Hindu right to rape and genocide, as specified in the Bhagavad Gita, a “yogi” and “embodiment of Zorba the Buddha”, but ignorant, politically-correct fools of the West cannot understand how religions evolve!
It is clearly by a great man imposing his will on the masses!
Hari Om!
Sieg Heil!
To think that a man who was a major player in the RSS had any part to play in the Gujurat massacres or has just last week turned a blind eye to more sectarian killing in India is simply leftist propaganda propagated by Americans, Jews, Socialists and homosexuals!
They do not understand Indian culture which experts like Shantam and Newman follow online everyday from their safe havens in the West, whilst enjoying Haagen Dazs ice-cream and Lidl goatburgers as they pronounce with great wisdom and insight as seen here on Sannyasnews!
Modi is, as Shantam says, simply the best, and so right about so many things that liberal-leftie hippie slackers like Parmartha, who have abused the freedom that Osho has given them are simply too ignorant to understand as they read their disgusting secular newspapers!
Homosexuality must not be imported from the West!
I cannot imagine the ordeal of Shantam living in the West and living in constant fear of waking up and finding a large German sausage in his chuddies!
And such sentiments are perfectly understandable for a man brought up to the highest values of morality which shine through India at all levels!
As Oldman says, Osho is certainly ‘up there’ with Gandhi!
He certainly spoke vehemently in favour of the Mahahatma and spoke fondly of his asceticism, self-flagellation, apolitical nature, urine- drinking and wife-beating!
Hari Om!
Yahoo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKAZK6kbmEM
“Let me tell you a few things. First: your life is your life, it is nobody else’s. So don’t allow yourself to be dominated by others, don’t allow yourself to be dictated to by others, that is a betrayal of life. If you allow yourself to be dictated to by others – maybe your parents, your society, your education system, your politicians, your priests, whosoever they are – if you allow yourself to be dominated by others you will miss your life. Because the domination comes from outside and life is within you. They never meet.”
The Art of Dying
Chapter #1
Chapter title: The Art of Dying.
Hard to believe though it is, I can find nothing that says Shantam, or you for that matter, are exempt, that we should allow Shantam or yourself to turn us into extensions of you.
“Osho deserves to be known in the world, as much as Buddha, Jesus or Gandhi. Just like they all have lot of positive aspects as well as some negative.”
What are the “negative” aspects of Buddha and Jesus, please, Oldman? (Mr A. Yogi has already covered Gandhi!).
And while you’re at it, how about realistically critically assessing Shantam’s contributions here rather than glossing over their only too evident multiple flaws?
“Let me repeat, Osho deserves to be known in the world, as much as (if not more than) Buddha, Jesus or Gandhi. That doesn’t mean the world should convert to Osho religion. First of all, there is no such religion as Osho religion and secondly, people need not have to follow him necessarily. But his message can bring a new beginning in whatever the path they are in. It can help as a catalyst for higher consciousness.”
This sounds very confused. Oldman, you seem to be rather too keen to align Osho with ‘religion’, while at the same time denying Sannyas to be on that same track.
How, for example, can Osho bring a Christian or a Buddhist to “a new beginning”? Part of Osho’s whole effort, “his message”, if you like, was to expose, undermine and even destroy such long-established ‘religious’ edifices, wasn’t it? As he says in ‘The Mustard Seed’, being a Christian is “a lie”!
It’s not Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews or those on any other “path” that Osho is likely to significantly influence, it always has been and always will be others, from the vast numbers of people for whom conventional religion has little or no attraction, those who are searching for ‘something more’, for “a catalyst for higher consciousness” perhaps.
Oldie declares, “I feel Shantam is doing that to some extent. He calls the spades the spades without any partiality.”
He is only saying that because he wants to take over El Chudo’s job as SN’s Village Idiot.
Please leave our beloved idiot alone. He already has enough problems without you trying to make him a hero of the truth.
The easiest thing in life is to distort the meaning, essence and spirit of one´s own Messiah or master.
It was always like this. It is still like this.
Howsoever lucid and easy to understand expressions are, human mind has got the mastery to hold the neck of the holy words and squeeze them tight.
In a sannyas way of life, this can be called, Rebalancing!
And you are as prone to this,
at the bare minimum,
as anyone else who posts here.
I am not alone in not understanding this so-called connection between Modi and Arun. For example, not everyone by any means gets to meet a Prime Minister, even one with such doubtful and nationalistic credentials. How come Arun was introduced?
It is because I do ‘know’ India more than many from the West that I am alarmed by the nature of Hindu nationalism. It was, after all, the same sort of nationalism that resulted in at least one assasination attempt on Osho.
Osho was an international Master, by accident an Indian by birth, just as the circumstances of all our births are just chance.
I am a little scared that what I knew as that brilliant international ashram will become some kind of Hindu shrine, and the only encounter one will have there will be with a deity…how boring.
It will be difficult for you to understand, Parmartha.
For those of us born into religions of mighty Bharat, there is no choice but religion.
Shantam, like myself, moved from chuddies and turban to mala and robe, never for a moment digressing into secularity with all its inherent dangers of abusing the freedom that God has given us and being sucked in by political correctness, intoxicants, homosexuality, socialism and the illusion of being a light unto oneself etc.
We recognised Osho as one of our own but he advanced the vision of the Vedic sages by giving us the chance to be true yogis but also the chance to get a bit of rumpy-pumpy with the loose gora girls, but never for a moment did we forget where we were coming from and we retained our God-given Aryan religiousness.
Hari Om!
Yahoo!
We have remained guzzling at the 5000 year-old breast of the true religion and the attempts by the Anglo-Saxon alcoholics and ex-sannyasins to insult and discredit that holy mammary will be fought by us until the bitter end as Shantam’s heroic work on SN proves.
Yahoo!
Hari Om!
Jai Shantam!
Parmartha, you can go on imposing your mind and its projections.
It is your birthright.
Parmartha wrote:
“Osho was an international Master, by accident an Indian by birth, just as the circumstances of all our births are just chance”
As far as my understanding goes, is (was) the Being, we happen(ed) to have the chance to meet, surely born in India, and not by accident!
But as any wisdom whisperer of any time developed expression-wise in a universal way ‘contemporary’ to others before and after Him, who give/gave their best in their unique ways for the kind of uplifting civilization – a civilization that has yet to deserve its name – and many are feeling it and have felt it at any time and are drawn in their longing to COME TOGETHER in a more civilized way and a more loving and peaceful way.
I am not born accidentally here, and you have not been born accidentally there, so we are born with certain issues and under certain circumstances.
The longing though, to surpass hindrances to live more peacefully and more lovingly together we have in common, deeply in common. A longing that is not combined with the nation we are born in, nor the political history of this or that nation, or forever fixed to our circumstances.
To connect that deep longing of us all with temporary politics or politics for the sake of religion is a ‘cul de sac’.
To connect that longing with lifelong attending human growth therapy groups with the danger to become a junkie of this is a ‘cul de sac’ too.
I simply loved it that in Pune I (also in Oregon, I presume) the therapists worked and shared their ways like any other worker in the community.
And I loved (the illusion) that those guiding teachers with skills were to be seen as meditators like all the rest of us, up to the toilet cleaner.
That was a very challenging expose (social-spiritual experiment) of a more ‘civilized coming together’.
Which didn´t hold the line – also in Osho´s lifetime.
To cherish each other’s Being, just for the sake of it, to be present this moment, neither being asked for any proof of deserving it nor habitually boasting of ‘proofs’ is the most challenging issue I know of.
And what a luxury that is, to be able to come together (these days), without the danger of being bombed for absolutely insane reasons by insane people or without the danger being perpetrated and misused by cunning criminals with their lust for power.
What I feel, Parmartha, and others here too, is that Osho had a kind of infinite trust in our maturing and in our maturing together. And that Trust is a Heritage which cannot be traded – no way.
That’s good news, isn´t it ?
Madhu