As there has been some discussion on another string of how Sannyas News came to be back in 1985, we found ourselves looking at those old magazines… somehow we alighted on this article, drawn by the fact that Upnita after over 25 years is still part of the SN scene! We republish her article on the Tarot here with permission, with Prakrati’s illustation.
TAROT -The Mystery Medium
A while ago – back in 1983, I did a Tarot weekend with Jaya. It brought so much magic to me! Very soon I was buying a Rider set and using it all round the Medina commune. . What fun and excitement passing on all those secrets which were normally kept in my heart.
The cards were a powerful tool. They invited a greater awareness about life events – you could not lie to them for they represented that world of wonder and clarity which exists in all of us. I was very grateful to this power. It made my expression in life much stronger. I could get near to people’s hearts and my heart by just shuffling the set of cards. That was indeed very special to me, but still I was on the brink of an even deeper phase. I tuned into this after doing a Tai Chi workshop with Devedasi.
In this workshop I felt an earthliness, as though Mother Earth was engulfing me – in that moment all people became my children – tenderness in me had no limits.
Later, when I spread the cards they seemed to be telling me stories from an unknown world. I was fascinated. The High Priestess was the key figure … I had a very deep connection with that card, with that energy. My heart grew stronger. Many times as I worked in the “Mysteries” Shop in Covent Garden or other places, I found myself connecting to a very powerful force. It seemed I was a medium for the words of Osho. That really embarrassed my ego for I did not understand it and was afraid people might think I had gone crazy.
As more mysteries became disclosed to me I realised that I was just tapping into a greater consciousness that did not belong to anybody. It was just there to be used.
Seeing an average of 25 people a week for the last three years has grounded my work and today I use much more my own expression. (Here Upnita am speaking from 1986!)
I am very grateful to my Tarot friends. They have empowered me, and the people who come to see me, to a greater love of life. They still hold the same magic even after being critically analysed.
There are still more mysteries to be encountered.
For the past 2 years I have also been using the Osho deck. Many people who are not sannyasins are attracted to these cards, especially other psychics. I am surprised how many people are touched by them. I have had a couple of psychics saying “These cards seem to have the answer for the changes in my life”.
The Osho cards invoke the mystical in me. I only use them sparingly for I have many people who are already spaced out. More mystery and they will be flying instead of being grounded.
Upnita
Those Osho Zen Tarot cards are just airy fairy sannyas intellectual cliche after cliche, trying to masquerade as mystical.
The cards have no grounding in the real, unlike the Rider Waite Smith pack, on which they are very badly based and which have such direct connection to real life.
The Osho Zen Tarot gives you a viewpoint from the ways of Zen. They don’t support the ego and its intentions.
If you function from the ego, as you do, then changing your pack of tarot cards isn’t going to make any difference
I agree, Arps, it’s bullshit. Difference to what, I find myself asking? If in some kind of egoless state what exactly would the cards support?
>> If in some kind of egoless state…
How many kinds are there?
Numerous.
Damn.
dear arpana
you seem to be more than an artist (a painter maybe too?)
the way of coming closer to an artist
or to art as such
is very individual and has to be taken care of more in a shy way
in a state of wonder
whatever comes up
for me it was when reading your post
a remembrance was called up
very alive – of a theatre dance project happening her in a Munich festival
long, long ago
when i saw the japanese BUTOH dancer company around an “old” master
performing in a long dance play
the “picture” of the “HANGED MEN”
peacocks and other beautiful deer also on stage
and the hanged man
was really hanging
head down, feet up and in a whirling
we all were in awe and very, very still
and very, very grateful too
how precious
and how beautiful that the posting of “tarot”
called that memory of approaching the dreams and
different dream-times of so different cultures
then and there i later have been fortunate to see the butoh master too
at that time quite more than eighty years of age
he has been in love with the music of Maria Callas and for a timeless time
performed with just one white flower in his hands to the music and her voice
we all were so silent
although the latter happened outside on a campus
you could have heard a needle falling
(if that would have fallen …. but it didn’t…)
another dance theatre called “cloud watching” from another culture of the east
had same effects remembering what we call “sammasati”
i will never forget
so what a grace to be able to be present to interpretations like this
and i’d like to add a thank you too for you. arpana -
it may be ever important not to judge beforehand what’s happening in people coming in touch with this or that
in the matter of “tarot” you may never know
what comes out of it
maybe a gracious surprise
(even when the cards are not the ones you prefer)
love
madhu
Here is my latest painting.
Took me eighteen months.
I like t.
Thanks.
I appreciate that.
Most personally challenging
piece of work I’ve ever been caught up in.
There’s about six paintings on it.
Drove me nuts trying to resolve the bloody thing,
but I’m chuffed to bits with it.
On that level I can certainly relate as I spend a few hours each day painting and have done for 30 years, so I know the ins and outs of the creative process inside out.
Yes that is very good (re: the painting) sorry I did not comment yesterday. Got caught in other threads.
It looks like (in real life) it has texture.
Projects are like babies. When they finish… and you finish ogling, there also is that period in-between, before the next project becomes concrete.
Spot on.
Do you have anything in the pipeline?
To BV,
Yep Got a new one underway.
Not bad, Arpana! Has a mysterious and very present feel to it a la Gauguin.The colour scheme and figure definition you have used also remind me of Gauguin. What I most like about it, however is the way in which it pushes the viewer to ask a few questions as to what is going on. Rather sexy too, isn’t it?
Gaugin. Oh Yeah.
Arpana ….naturally and thankfully, your pics and Gauguin’s are not spitting images, or else I would be calling you a scoundrel and a copycat, amongst other things. However, it seems to me that both he and you have at times in your respective works, employed thick brush strokes and have used vivid colours, paid little attention to exact realistic detail etc. (a la Impressionist style).
In particular though, what caught my attention was the dark, deep, mysterious, tropical and exotic feel to your pic which is similar to the feeling I get from some of Gaugin’s pictures.
Arpana ….. I like it…. I was not taking the Michael. I am not surprised however, in my case, that that possibility may have crossed your mind? I was, dare I say it, being serious!
Thank you, also for posting the extract from Gaugin’s masterpiece ‘Where Do We Come Froim? What Are We? Where Are We Going? This is one of my favourites, and I would recommend to all the viewers here, that they take a look at the full version if they are not familiar with it.
I haven’t looked at Gauguin for years, and I was not aware before, how modern his paintings are.
They have a fantastic in the moment quality to them, capture something timeless I suppose.
Post impressionists. Picasso. Big impression on me.
Yes, indeed, a very unique painter, who it seems to me, lived the life of a sannyasin in many ways e.g. disillusioned with European life-style, middle class values etc. he left his comfortable existence, wife, kids and job as a stockbroker, to become a painter.
Zorba-like in the way he lived his life once he had dropped out, he often found himself on the bread-line for the sake of his art. Eventually, he found his way to the South Pacific and there shacked up with native Polynesian women, first in Tahiti, and then the Marquesa Islands.
His Buddha spirit side tho’ was patchy at times, as it seems at some point he mentally and physically bullied Van Gogh when they shared a house in France. He was also known to have got into fist-fights when drunk etc.
Judging by some of his paintings, he was no stranger to the beauty and power of the present moment. All in all, a very interesting character….I wonder if Osho ever referred to him at all? (Open question to all).
Gauguin was a great artist, who apparently lived as he chose, following his passion (as the life coaches say these days!), but doesn’t your comparison of him with “a sannyasin” tend to over-romanticise both him and the ‘average sannyasin’ (if such an animal can be said to exist)? It’s worth examining this perhaps ‘comfortable’ image and reality…
Apart from Gauguin’s violent tendencies that you mention, Ashok, I mean, sure, plenty of sannyasins (mostly in their 20-s to early /mid 30′s) lived a sort of ‘hippie’ lifestyle for varying periods, esp during Poona 1, and a few did it long-term, but it wasn’t by any means a lifelong choice for the majority.
After their wild (or would-be wild) youth, and especially after the fall of Rajneeshpuram, many pursued conventional careers and otherwise outwardly ‘normal’ lives, while a fair number were always simply too dysfunctional, short or even long-term, to be able to make such a choice, ie they were ‘drop-out’ types by default, as it were.
Cue Lokesh (and, please, no!), Dhyan Rage, for news of the ‘exceptions’ (that prove the rule)…
Over to you, Jimmy!!
Arpana,
It was long before Osho Zen cards…!!
In the article i am referring to the Rajneeesh Neo-Tarot (60 cards)which i believe is now called Neo-Tarot Transformation.
They are all named after a mystic story narrated by Osho like..
“Meditation”, “Trust”, “Becoming Centered”, “Laughter” etc.. i am sure you are familiar with them..great to hear from you!
Yes i studied kabbala in the past and love the Rider Waite deck..and i agree them having a direct connection to “real” life…
Nevertheless the Neo-Tarot has a remembrance of Oneness in All and therefore in my oppinion Osho and stories takes one beyond Archetypes..have a good day!!
Upnita
Hi Upnita.
I wrote a memoir of my time at the ashram using the Osho Zen cards as a starting point. I found the pack really uninspiring, but that could be my expectations. I then used a Rider Waite Smith pack which worked better, and in fact have plans to do another version, using a special pack I have put together from the large number of packs I have.
Namaste.
I’ve already mentioned in earlier posts the story of how a tarot lady caused a minor sensation in Poona One with her uncanny predictions and how Osho addressed the issue and concluded that people turned to various forms of divination, such as tarot and astrology because they lacked significance in their lives. Taking that into account I find that Upanita’s story verifies that.
Upanita’s language is symptomatic of someone who has adopted what the uninitiated view as a spiritual perspective, while under a deeper inspection it is simply someone who uses mainstream spiritual language to convey a lot of New Age mumbo-jumbo that amounts to very little of real worth.
Take the heading of this article for example, ‘The Tarot as a Tool for Transformation’. Sounds impressive, but is it? Transformation is another word that people use in New Age circles, but I find myslf suspicious of it and it raise a few unanswered questions. Who or what is it that is being transformed? Transformed into what? What was the form before it was transformed? Who is aware of this transformation? If the transfomation has been identified there must be someone or something that is aware of the transformation taking place. And so it goes.
Then we have the likes of the following, ‘As more mysteries became disclosed to me I realised that I was just tapping into a greater consciousness that did not belong to anybody. It was just there to be used.’ Who is the ‘me’ that these mysteries are being disclosed to? Who is using this greater consciousness and to what ends?
By now some of the regulars will be groaning and saying, ‘Oh, oh, it is Lokesh back on his Advaita trip’. You might be right. But you have to admit I have a point and the point is that spiritual language and adopted behaviour do not always add up to something spiritual. In this case it adds up to a spiritual ego trip. Evidence to support that are carried in such declarations as the following, ‘It seemed I was a medium for the words of Osho.’ I’m quite sure that Upnita was sincere about that but why would Osho need such a thing as a medium for his words after going to the bother of having over 400 books published as a platform for millions of his words? I could continue, but by now I am sure you catch my transcendental drift.
Upnita concludes, ‘There are still more mysteries to be encountered.’ I wonder if she has come to the point of encountering the mystery of why it is that she needs to believe in such nonsense.
I am just going to throw this through the open door…you are where your attention is (you pay attention, it has a cost). The kind of people who seek solace through divination are the people whose attention is facing in the wrong direction…
Most (in our world) that want their tarot read are actually ok and just looking for an alternative something…anything.
More to Tarot than divination.
Thats the mumbo jumbo aspect.
”A picture is worth a thousand words.”
The tarot is an infinitely variable book of pictures.
Contains the whole of life and you see what you are ready to see.
I am sorry to say that in the past I have used the tarot in order to tell people stuff that (I knew) they wouldn’t take from me, but they would take it from cards.
So unlike Lokesh thinks, ‘techniques’ can be used as tools for transformation because people insist on believing. I consider the tarot to be mambo-jumbo but it is good mambo-jumbo as opposed to bad mambo-jumbo like poker.
What Lokesh does not believe and what is not approved by his wife; all that stuff is deviation!
Don’t be so silly Shanty pants.
That’s a description of you
sorry – bodhi vartan
your first two lines at 10.50 pm
“….in the past i have used the tarot IN ORDER to tell people stuff (i knew) they wouldn’t take from me but they would take it from the cards”
This makes understandable you now talking of mambo jumbo
and this then is an honest description
and i simply love you for your honesty
what many, many others “reading cards” are not capable of
maybe a sad majority-
the other thing is not to throw away possibly living happenings or effects with the bath water so to say
anyway
in this direction as far as i understood it
are lokesh’s questions targeting
and thank you all for this
madhu
Madhu, if you are leg pulling you aredoing a brilliant job. If not…well…ehm….
Green, babe!
That sound a little spiteful, a little desperate shanty panty poopy pantzen.
Tarot, astrology, Aura soma, Reiki etc. etc. and then the creations of Over enthusiast disciples, Osho Tarot, Osho Astrolgy, Osho Reiki, Osho Soma…..and so on.
Then there are hundred kind of three days to three month courses and classes; because they don’t perform surgeries or give pharmaceutical substances, there is no need to ask whether their effect is dubious or they are deviations; I think this unorganised sector has also Billion Dollars turn over around the globe.
And I think OSHO is the only spiritual master who has given the space to all of them in His ashram, so much so, 90% of the prime real estate, where Osho´s Ashram stands is constructed with such money.
My only objection is the tall claims made by such practitioners. For them their home grown aspirin is worth Anti cancer drug; their ginger lemon garlic combination is more effective than Sildenafil!
Shri Shantam Mahachuddie, you obviously believe yourself to be on the attack, hence you see it that Arps is coming to my defense. I think Arps was simply joking about the puerile comment you wrote.
Going by many of your comments running along such lines I’d hazard a guess and say that your relationships wih women have been for the most part unsatisfactory. Or why else would it be that you have such a childish and immature vision of how other people’s relationships might be? Could be an Indian thing. From what I can gather from reports, delivered by girlfriends who were unfortunate enough to become sexually involved with Indian men, it would seem that premature ejaculation is endemic amongst our sub-continental brothers. My advice to you on this level, Mahachuddie, is that you endeavour to control your breathing on the rare occasions that you find someone willing to have you as a sexual partner. The cards say ‘overexcitable’.
I see, all of you artists seem to try to steal my word ”stuff”, I actually have signature for it, so you might as well keep using ”mambo zambo” from 1971. I took a tarot card for it, and auts.. I got a ”burden”. So, just have it, it’s free.
Well, Mod, that could be relating to one of many comments that Mahachuddie has made. As I noted earlier the poor chap is overexcitable and therefore has a tendency to let things go, when really he shouldn’t, because he can’t control himself. I’ve advised practicing breathing exercises but I’m sure there might be other techniques that may help, so any comments will be most welcome in relation to Shri Shantypants short comings.
Such great compassion from BV. I am deeply touched.
His blessings.
arpana
thank you
got lost in your painting
had a long walk then
i would like to ask
is it in ute measures ?
thank you that you show it to all your friends
i would like to see it without the computer screen
love
madhu
Madhu,
‘is it in ute measures ?’
Not sure what you mean.
I photographed the painting ten times.
That was the best shot, but still lost so much detail.
Thanks for the good feedback.
May be I know Upnita from the face, if she was working or participating in the ashram. This article is a surprise as someone else other than the usual ones have tried to share her/his views, which is very seldom.
Let us say, Turiya writes about her ” Path of Love” groups or someone about Past life or rebalancing or Chakra readings or breathing.
In the name of comments, is it necessary to torn their work apart?
The shoe size which does not fit me is no adidas!
Judgements have many shapes and forms!
Counselling and befriending seem okay activities to me, I do a bit of it myself professionally with those who are survivors of torture, and here and there with those who might be said to be pursuing “personal growth”!
What I have observed over many years is that the best Tarot Readers use the packs to do disguised counselling and befriending, and as Vartan indicates, saying with the cards what cannot be said right there and then with face to face counselling.
I have seen Upnita work well like this, and at a Festival or two have long queues of what might be called “ordinary” people waiting for her. This must be testimony to something solid she is offering.
My impression is a lot of people want to know what makes them tick, something about themselves,and Tarot is a feeling the way forward process, a step in that direction, and the images are fascinating, especially in combination.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tarot-Psychology-Possibility-Arthur-Rosengarten-ebook/dp/B00596UPNC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394125493&sr=8-1&keywords=Tarot+and+Psychology.+Rosengarten.
I have one friend who has been doing tarot readings for 40 years. A white witch. one might say. Due to her skills I stay well clear of her deck, because three times I pulled a card with her and three times women trouble was forecast and she was right. I don’t want to know the future. Today is more than enough.
Having said that I must add that I know there is more to tarot reading than predictions and the lads are probaby right with their observations. I just don’t need it. I have friends who will point out to me the things I’m not aware of and need paying attention to.
I must admit, I haven’t thought about the Tarot for nearly 20 years. Is there a resurgence, or something…?
Is it one of the old keys that still work? I’d say, probably yes.
Can I personally be bothered with it? Probably not.
My article on Tarot was done in 1986, 28 years ago!
I replied to Arpana (the only one in the screen at the time)… that
In 1986 i was writing about Rajneesh Neo-Tarot…(not Osho Zen) Reading all the answers this evening i dont see anybody saying that they have actually seen these cards or stories…which is a pity!
Today is my first day writing in SN (Welcome Upnita!) and i enyjoyed the various comments…and sharings you have posted about the article and perhaps not about the article!
It is interesting to notice how one assumes to know about someone or subject by appearances…
Well, i do love a challenge…some of you i know and i am hoping that i will get to know you all…so i start with myself…transparency…
I am from my heart and soul totally grateful for the gift of being around Osho and receiving a tool to work with the Anima Mundi.
Before that i was in the Airlines at Heathrow doing various jobs over the years…accounts, reservations, sales, ground stewardess etc…
Experiencing various states of bliss i came across Krishnamurti and with fire in my heart, I left the world behind (including what i had worked for)and joined krishnamurti Foundation to be followed by Osho later where the rest of the world goods was finally gone…
Born in a hut (female Jesus!lol) and brought up in a country full of blue skies and shining sunshine, getting water from the well, and lighting a paraffin lamp in the dark, i remember how i loved to look at the stars…
A Sufi Master used to sing the Persian song below:
“Who is with me all the time, says the Guru,
Who is with me all the time day and night,
Who does nothing without me, nor eating, nor sleeping,
Whose thoughts are on me all the time;
I come and live in their hearts.
Who give up everything for my sake, i take them into my heart;
And even then, I think that it is not giving them enough credit…
those who have nothing to pawn and go and pawn me in the
market place,
I let myself be pawned by them, for never, never,
Can I refuse them anything anymore!”
Lokesh, you don’t have to take pity on me!!!! i have been living
a very full life in my Heart of Hearts, twice married plus…
I don’t advertise for many years and am retired but have responded to ordinary people, a priest, an Oxford professor, as well as stars (worldy ones), rich and poor, and the cry is always the same: the longing to be loved…
Whenever the featureless or formless enters one’s Being …Love turns up…over the years i have attented: Art therapy, Astrology, Cabala, Counselling, Healing, Massage, Psychotherapy, Rebirthing, Shamanism plus…and ended up with Tarot as my original gift from Osho!
Meditating near a cemetery and listening to the Earth and to its beautifull Beings which we all are…painting tarot pictures or portraits one of my creative pursuits…looking after an elderly parent…do you still see a new age??? mumbo jumbo
Loved your painting, Arpana…and Parmartha, thanks for inviting me to this circle of friends….
Mlove
Upnita Eulalia
Upnita asks, ‘do you still see a new age??? mumbo jumbo’
No. I see bad writing style, due to overuse of question marks.
Thanks Upnita.
Thanks also, Upnita
I have got the Rajneesh Neo Tarot, 1984 edition from Rajneeshpuram. I once used it regularly.
I have also got a sannyas deck called ‘The Goose is Out–a Zen Poker’ in English but published in Italy in ’82. It is surreal and weird and very rare. Unfortunately two cards are missing.
Ok guys I am going to admit it. I was doing experiments with Tarot reading while the subject will be on a (professional) galvanic skin resistance machine that was being recorded and then the (Tarot) reading was analysed against the machine reading. And the results? I honestly can’t remember. Nothing stood out.
At the time I was fascinated by all sorts of feedback systems and was doing lots of reading until I realised how they were getting their results (through animal experimentation) and my interest quickly died the death.
friends -
evening time i remember a parable osho told of not only once
the story goes to ancient times and a king (greedy to have all pieces of art like any other “kings and “queens”)
one day he heard of a painter and his miraculous fame
he invited the man
gave him an atelier and bowed down to his conditions never to disturb him
up to the moment he himself would invite that the painting would be ready to look at
time went on
nothing was to be heard of the painter
so much so that all seemingly forgot that the man was there in the palace garden
the king grew old
and hardly remembered himself about the painter
then
one day
late
he has been invited
and that the painting is ready to be looked at
and he has to come by his own and alone
when he entered the studio
he saw a painting so alive and miraculous that he couldn’t believe it
it is said that the master painter took his hand
and they both disappeared into the painting
and have not be seen any more
maybe you have listened to that too ?
for me this listening is still working
and there are so many ways and levels of understanding
last week i saw the movie
“la grande bellezza” (the great beauty)
on quite another level this piece of film ART also came close to the parable
after the movie i sat there in the cinema stunned and so still and so grateful
and it was difficult to leave the place with the now dark screen
grateful also that so many different people had been sitting together for the time being
everybody for sure saw his or her own movie
and the deepness of stillness quality in the projection room
made sensible
that we all met in the picture
for the time being
it’s a bit of that what also a caravanserai chat sometimes feels like
on days like this
madhu
Madhu, have you seen Cinema Paradiso? Not the latest, it won an Oscar for best foreign film back th 80s., but a real cracker. I’d somehow missed it and loved the loads of Italiano sentimentallity.
I am sure, few gentlemen on the board here do not need Viagra for their recreational Tantra, does it mean Pfizer should pull the tablets away from the pharmacies?
What about 50 other pharmaceutical concerns in the generic trade?
Same is the story with Tarot, Astrology and even Osho; our deity. Just the next door Resorts neighbour has never ever felt the need even to go for an hour of meditation at great energy field. This next door neighbour is connected with other 3.3 million households in expanded Pune city.
There is an ancient Indian saying, ” If you are not going to a village, why even to enquire how far it is.”
Question of Giving judgements does not even arise.
Any way, during last 10 days I have come across two tarot readers. Should I visit them or not? I am contemplating.
On the subject of tarot cards might I take this opportunity to recommend the ‘Fairy Lights Tarot Deck’ by Lo Scarabeo & Lucia Matteoli, as well as ‘Angel Tarot Cards’ by D.Virtue, which have both exerted great influence on the various movements and changes in my life at significant turning points, and have furthermore made huge contributions towards developing my Buddha spirit and nature. The preferred method which seems to work for me is to just spread the cards in front of me, followed by an intense feeling-in moment/s, before allowing one of my fingers to intuitively alight on one of the cards, which I then eagerly remove and deliver to my preferred tarot card reader (the ex-2nd hand car dealer cum sannyasin whom I have mentioned elsewhere). Then all he has to do is read the text and explanation on the back of the card, and hey bingo magic happens and I become the angel or fairy named on the card, for the rest of the day.
Wow, Ashok, that Fairy Lights deck sounds really heavy, man. Like, man, could it help me find out the winning numbas for tomorrow night’s Euromillions? Pleae reply quickly, because time is of the essense.
There is an ancient Scottish saying, ‘If you dinnae hae a kilt, why are ye wearing a jock strap?’
Why is it, Lokesh, that I am not surprised that you would feel more inclined to the ‘Fairy Lights’ tarot deck, at the expense of the ‘Angel’ variety?
Dunno if it will work for you tho’, mate, why not try that ’5,4,3,2,1′ song combo that opened the door for me in the Gents’ the other day in Auckland? As you are a sannyasin it might work.
Wait a moment…I think you need 6 nos. rite? So use the tarot deck to help you come up with the other number, and make sure you are wearing your kilt at the same time…and don’t forget to wear a jock-strap under your underpants as well so as to ensure your spiritual purity during the sacred rite. Good luck! Hope this is in time, and please don’t forget me if you win.
54321……who does that make me think of?………………………Manfred Mann.
Ta. Manfred Mann of course! Why didn’t I think of it!
aah, arpana
is that the same painting? i felt – no, it isn’t the same….
the new sight of painting you posted today looks (feels) totally different
and is as well very inspiring
so thank you for this
madhu
MOD: MADHU, I’M AFRAID WE’VE HAD TO EDIT THIS POST.
The first painting is 51cm. by 21cm. with a 2cm border.
no – lokesh
in the cinema i missed the movie you mentioned
i googled a little bit
also about the director’s cut of the movie you mentioned
would like to see it
of the dream-like-living theatre though
many memories came up about failing synchronicity
failing getting or sending messages in good timing – and so on, so forth
sometimes i feel like a cow
managing the same stuff ever and ever again till
digestion is DONE
and sometimes there seems to be healing in it
sometimes not
anyway i am grateful to just have the opportunity to chew (again)
and thank you for that
happy cow today’s morning – madhu
Holy cow!
Is that a cow with holes in it?
A gorgonzola cow.
In the electronic age, I find the idea of “cards” about as old-fashioned as a Ouija board. I bet if somebody did a Tarot app… perhaps one already exists. I am joking and not at the same time.
Every time I read Lokesh, it takes me back into my adolescent years. One of the reasons I started reading books was, I could not listen to the wise talks of uncles around.
Uncles in their mid-fifties after celebrating their 25th marriage anniversary almost speak in the same energy as one gets after reading Lokesh´s posts.
I know all, because I lived it. Ask my wife, she is the proof, kind of Indian uncles sometimes gather some younger people around them, the younger ones with low self-esteem!
I am allergic to such patriarchal bullshit. This is one of the reasons, I was one of those very few Indians who could go away from their home base after hearing the call from Osho.
Shantam, Lokesh is not one of your uncles. He really isn’t. Perhaps you should be looking at what he is bringing up in you and you should be grateful that he bothers.
Yes Shri Mahachuddie, BV is correct, I am not your uncle and I am most definitely not ‘nice’. I don’t like the word. Why do I bother responding to Mahachuddie? I suppose it generates the occasional laugh and that’s about the extent of it.
Shantam, group dynamics is “interesting”. People like to follow if not leaders, then role models. That’s only because they do not have their own voice. And they try to accomplish something, their usually own hidden motives, behind somebody else’s back. I have done it often too. Because of the fear.
Varti, you are such sweetie, but at same time like this figure walking in sleep…
And being so sincere at the same time.
I did like your suit.
sweet i must say.
Ah… to sleep, to sleep, perchance to dream.
And what is stopping you from waking me up, my sweet?
Not I.
Not he.
But thee.
During the day I have written at my facebook page, “The subtle art of expressing without saying anything direct is part of Indian soil.
One of the reason, west is unable to understand the undercurrents of Indian culture or even Indian gurus.”
Comments of Lokesh and BV support my hypothesis. When I have given the example of millions of Indian uncles, it is in the context of Arche types.
It is very childish to remind me that Lokesh is not my uncle. He is an uncle type.
Surely, Bodhi vartan needs one. After all, one need someone to look upon. Uncle has spend 7 years in Pune(India) he has risked his life. Surely it can be impressive to those, who know only the distance between Brighton from London!
Obviously, poor Mahachuddie has been foolish enough to let me get under his rhino skin. Poor chap, sounds like his dreams are being disturbed. Suggested reading…The Six Lokas in Trumpa’s Cutting Through Spiritual Materialism. Just the title would be something for King Chudoo to contemplate, but alas he’s too busy playing Don Quixote.
Actually, Shantam, Indians pretend to convey without expression, thus allowing us to project, and expose ourselves.
It’s a trick played by slave-cultures since the beginning of time. We are too clever for you. Ruler-cultures just tell you. They have no need for tricks.
I say, we are now forming an art appreciation society. Here is a little number I cooked up a few years back.
Love it. Y fantastico.
Cool.
8. march 2014 at 9.48 am – lokesh
i am send off
for wandering a universal aborigine songline
how deeply surprising
what is possible happening
when universal wisdom MEETS and find colour
a brush
or just hands and fingers
or
an open mind
or not mind at all
grateful for that
madhu
PS
and what a good idea to open up an appreciation “line”
Tool of Transformation are
Reading Spiritual literature
Also about sun sign and moon sign
Once in a year Tarot reading
Three evenings with Satsang giver from foreign country
Path of love course
Being paid member of esoteric single’s group.
Reducing the work from 100% to 75 percent
3 weeks in Pune….
Shantyman vibrations, negative.
Satyadeva wrote, “Doesn’t your comparison of him with ‘a sannyasin’ tend to over-romanticise both him and the ‘average sannyasin’ (if such an animal can be said to exist)?”
Quite possibly, I have a certain weakness for ‘romanticism’, I must confess, and Gauguin’s life has inspired me in many ways, although when one looks at some of the negative ‘nitty-gritty’ details, it does not make for attractive reading, does it? …….A messy bitter divorce, fights in bars and brothels which left him with a permanent limp, frequent financial difficulties, persecution by the French legal authorities in the Pacific, a slow lingering death from syphilis…ouch!
The ‘average sannyasin’, has never seemed romantic to me however. In my own definition, this ‘animal’ conjures up the frightful image of somebody who flocks willingly to one of Veeresh’s meditation sessions, for example. In addition, I would include the following terms to more fully describe the species in question : hypocritical, submissive, corrupt, religious, uncritical, ungrounded, pseudy, manipulative, addictive, boorish, unconscious, vain, thick, twattish etc. etc.
It was in fact the ‘average sannyasin’ which drove me into the arms of Sannyas News, in search of some common sense!