A case of Nine Dimensions

According to latest mathematical models the hologram theory of the universe may have more substance than previously thought… .. .  The argument runs:

The universe is a hologram and everything you can see – including this article and the device you are reading it on – is a mere projection. Until now the mind bending theory had never been tested, but recent mathematical models suggest that the principle could be true.

According to the theory, gravity in the universe comes from thin, vibrating strings. These strings are holograms of events that take place in a simpler, flatter cosmos.

Professor Maldacena, an expert in the field, suggests that the universe exists in nine dimensions of space and one of time.


Now Japanese researchers have attempted to prove or disprove this theory.  They came up with mathematical evidence that the holographic principle might be correct, according to a report in “Nature” magazine.

THE HOLOGRAPHIC PRINCIPLE
The holographic principle claims gravity in the universe comes from thin, vibrating strings.
These strings are holograms of events that take place in a simpler, flatter cosmos.
The principle suggests that, like the security chip on your credit card, there is a two-dimensional surface that contains all the information needed to describe a three-dimensional object – which in this case is our universe.
In essence, the theory claims that data containing a description of a volume of space – such as a human or a comet – could be hidden in a region of this flattened, ‘real’ version of the universe.
In a black hole, for instance, all the objects that ever fall into it would be entirely contained in surface fluctuations, almost like a piece of computer memory is contained in a chip.
In a larger sense, the theory suggests that the entire universe can be seen as a ‘two-dimensional structure projected onto a cosmological horizon’ – or in simpler terms, a projection.
If we could understand the laws that govern physics on that distant surface, the principle suggests we would grasp all there is to know about reality.
The holographic principle suggests that, like the security chip on a credit card, there is a two-dimensional surface that contains all the information needed to describe a three-dimensional object – which in this case is our universe.
In essence, the principle claims that data containing a description of a volume of space – such as a human or a comet – could be hidden in a region of this flattened, ‘real’ version of the universe.
In a black hole, for instance, all the objects that ever fall into it would be entirely contained in surface fluctuations.
This means that the objects would be stored almost as ‘memory’ or fragment of data rather than a physical object in existence.
In a larger sense, the theory suggests that the entire universe can be seen as a ‘two-dimensional structure projected onto a cosmological horizon’ – or in simpler terms, the universe we believe we inhabit is a 3D projection of a 2D alternate universe.
In a paper posted on the arXiv repository, Yoshifumi Hyakutake of Ibaraki University in Japan calculated the internal energy of a black hole in an attempt to provide mathematical evidence for this holographic principle.
In addition to this he explored the boundaries of a specific black hole as well as the effects of ‘virtual particles’, a type of particle that is believed to continuously pop in and out of existence.
In a separate paper, Professor Hyakutake calculated the energy contained inside of the alternate flatter cosmos with no gravity.
Surprisingly, the computer calculations of the theoretical universe and the black hole’s boundaries matched, providing what some say is ‘compelling’ evidence of the dual nature of the universe.
Professor Maldacena has said that the numerical proof that these two seemingly disparate worlds are identical provides hope that the gravitational properties of our universe can someday be explained by quantum theory.

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81 Responses to A case of Nine Dimensions

  1. shantam prem says:

    In this hologram, where stand the Lingam and the Yoni?

  2. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    beloveds,

    we pop up into this world of “be and not to be”
    seemingly one way or the other
    to one extend or the other
    being haunted by some memory of being “whole” from the realm of the so called formless
    AND
    we are going to pop off the world of “be and not to be” into something we tend to call the nothingness or extinction
    both these processing’s of coming up and seemingly disappearing again are often as well as mostly labeled as traumatic

    YET

    the wisdom whisperers of all ages have tried their best to b e f r i e n d us with these facts we call the facts of life
    one of these whispers.. i love most is the Prajnaparamita Sutra of the buddhist realms,
    the heart sutra

    cultures and the scientific approaches IN cultures come and go…
    as we all know when we are busy looking at history,
    myths also come and go and are very often “tailored” fitting to some main stream of conciousnesses and also ways to manipulate
    or better said to get seemingly “empowered” as humans to get wheels going, or the opposite, to stop the wheels
    the latter is a fatal disillusion as also history conveys -

    i have been reminded by the issue of this thread of meeting a teacher in the nineties and seminars i have been attending to get befriended to some traumatic misuse issues in my life.
    I found out (more or less!) that my motivation of befriending traumata felt short -
    i had chosen this teacher because he is (had been?) a disciple of Nisargadatta and was some “body” simply declaring,
    “SHIT HAPPENS!”
    in the so-called esoteric realms not so fashionable or common and that’s why i loved it.
    the pain got an honorable place again and had not be to denied.

    that experiences of mine seem ages ago though,
    travelling the caravanserai now-here

    reminds me of the Heart Sutra and especially of the way osho
    wisdom whispered it to us all.

    simply in love of that

    am i

    madhu
    and love to you all

  3. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    and ???

    PS

    it sunday morning – quiet -

    the crow came by and i listened to the sound
    the traffic sound dimmed near by
    sky in a light grey silver shimmer
    people already busy here doing their work whatsoever in some of the houses
    little children – some of them had bad dreams and cried
    and the the silence again, even deeper than before

    and what i all recommend are wisdom whisperings in the containers of
    “the beloved”
    and by that i feel is targeted
    that window is something to be loved instead of being empowered -
    otherwise it’s like love itself:
    if you approach in violence
    it will disappear

    is not that so ?

    madhu

  4. Kavita says:

    After reading this thread ( & strings ), I am even more convinced that there is no end to inventions of the human mind.

    Wondering if ‘Necessity is the mother of invention ‘ could apply here!

  5. shantam prem says:

    in the hologram of universe, is there something like Enlightenment a reality or a psychic imagination born out of Indian mystics´s versatile imagination ?
    It is more a relevant question for the people who have invested their life into.
    Sometimes I really wonder, when great physics genius get married, do they perform the ceremony before the priests and when they die, will there will be Buddhist or Christian mass; a petition to universe to take care of the coming soul?

  6. Lokesh says:

    My new guru, Sri Gandhooji has spoken about there existing 108 dimensions in all, the most important being dimension one, the love dimension. Love is still flowing at his Bang Galore ashram. See attached photo to feel the love vibes from a small roup of his female devotees..

  7. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    that s HILARIOUS lokesh !

    thank you for this sunday-after-breakfast SNAP-shot sharing with us all
    a laughter
    be it loud
    be it inner

    madhu
    enjoying
    after having had a walk in snow rainy season

  8. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    pS —lokesh,

    do you know the movie
    ” WAG THE DOG” ?

    the bunch of people you’re with as well as you would love it
    (except the kind of unhappy ending… but all the other shots are simply “mind-blowing” and fitting to “everyday-life”

    madhu

  9. Lokesh says:

    I once had an everyday life, but lost touch with it somewhere down the lazy river.

  10. shantam prem says:

    I think Psychology faculty of few universities around the world must take research projects about the Mind set of religious followers.
    The way followers create myths and expect wonders; one need to research whether weed grows by itself or guru people feed such thoughts.

    Recently, one Religious Maharaj(The great king of the kings) has died around two weeks ago. His body is kept in the freezer but the chief disciples are not willing to accept; Mr. Guru ji have gone. They are hoping and hoping; he will come out from the Samadhi. Their belief is Maharaj is holding the breathing just like Himalayan Yogis in minus Zero temperature.

    I think this belief has gone bit too further. Usual convenient belief is that guruji have only left the body otherwise they are having good time up in the sky and controlling the tribe through cosmic SMS.

    Ref. Google Ashuthosh Maharaj.

  11. shantam prem says:

    Those who teach trust in existence, trust in God really live in trust; they trust their banks to store all the donations gathered in the name of trust.
    I think hardly one or two masters can be exceptional.
    Oh Yes…Educated ones have even deeper trust. They trust is in Mother earth i.e. Real Estate!

    http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/stadt/Schwere-Vorwuerfe-gegen-Umarmerin-Amma/story/27141074

    MOD: WRONG THREAD, SHANTAM! PLEASE KEEP GENERALLY ON-TOPIC.

  12. shantam prem says:

    Mr. Editor, you can use the wrong post for a new string, ” Indian gurus and their Fetish about Money.”

  13. shantam prem says:

    Lokesh writes he has never heard about Ashutosh Maharaj.
    It is a valid point. Successful Indian gurus don´t need Western disciples.
    Indians have now enough money to fulfil all their projects.

    • Lokesh says:

      Right now I am into Western gurus. They don’t need Indian disciples because most of them are overflowing tea cups, full of the swill they have been brainwashed into believng is the tuth down through the ages.
      Both Osho and HWL Poonja confirmed that during their travels throughout the Indian subcontinent, people with anything remotely resembling spiritual undrstanding were few and far between. I take their word for it. Going by some of the crap Indian Osho disciples post on this site they are utterly clueless. Also the leader of the Osho clone brigade is as daft as a hair brush. These people promote a paradigm that is well past its sell-by date. Time for something fresh and alive instead of the mouldy old, incense-flavoured past.

      • bodhi vartan says:

        Great observation there, Loki. Just by oversimplifying the matter, one could say that it wasn’t until whitey turned up that Osho could go full speed. No disrespect to Indians, because some of them have great minds, but perhaps the educational system of the ’50s and ’60s wasn’t up to much. The middle class, in the way we understand it, must be a new phenomenon in India.

        In a way Shantam is right that perhaps India today can understand and pay for its gurus, all by itself. Pity tho that Shantam is ol’school and won’t (understand nor) pay. Just joking Shants.

        Lokesh, until I came across Osho my sole interest was the Western Esoteric Tradition (WET)… and when I look around me today, I’d say that WET has much more validity and relevance (in the West) than all that Indian mumbo jumbo, “I’ll hug your ass for a dollar”, crap. My personal conclusion was then, and is now, that Osho was just… exceptional!

  14. shantam prem says:

    Osho was exceptional and the con artists left behind are exceptionally exceptions.
    They can fake the will of the master, just for 24 acres of Pune Land.
    Is there such mention in Western Esoteric Tradition (WET)
    Al these dry hearted are from WET lands.

  15. shantam prem says:

    Bodhi Vartan,
    Is there some website, where one can write comments about your western gurus, their money or their girls or their properties or modus operandi.
    And if you have some sense of dignity and pride in your wetness, drop this name from a foreign language, you know nothing about.
    Take a step man, post next comment with your authentic name.

    PS- One day you feel happy, someone provoked you to come out with original face.
    Thanks

    Shantam Prem
    (Iqbal Singh)
    PPS-same at facebook.

    • Lokesh says:

      Ooooh! BV receives an indignant reprimand from the chuddie buster. How will he ever live it down? Stay tuned to SN for the next exciting episode in the ninth dimension.

    • bodhi vartan says:

      Last week you wanted my face, this week you want my name. What are you going to want next week.. dinner? I don’t see how “exposing me” helps anything. I am not in hiding, or claiming anything. And I am not my face or name. I am a spirit in a material world.

      WET don’t do public, try the David Icke forum.

      Ioannes Georgiou

  16. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    friends of meeting on a string – no – not just one…..

    IF
    there might be something else
    as going to get stuck in a mambo mambo well recognizable by seemingly fixed identities dealing with power trips (of others)
    sex and misuse of sex or misuse of monetary donations (by others) and how that is going (concerning others)
    or something BESIDES well done digital photo shootings
    which point to performances of “family system theatre” in progress
    to point to some moon….
    (and i surely don t bite the finger…of that)
    because that was a nice kind of surprise

    but anyway i was wondering – how come
    that very soon after the virtual wave took turns of seemingly endless repetitions of catch-as-catch-can amongst old buddies so to say
    the “holographic issue” though
    is indeed a very, very interesting one
    especially when we ALL are trying at our best to respond
    you could say it is unlike so many other issues kind of CONTEMPORARY
    without having spiritual crutches to lean on

    i remembered the “enneagram” training or seminar i once applied to
    as well as my feelings that all concepts also the enneagram fall short although it does look so convincing (as a crutch)
    it reminded me also that i ever felt very uneasy with the Gurdjieff followers
    in a mix between fascination and fear and feeling a bit freezing or more of a bit….freezing

    the photos Lokesh posted first warmed me
    then
    after looking more deeply seeing some very unspontaneous happenings
    i felt manipulated

    yet
    the message as such got me and is working

    it’s like holograms work
    and we are all part of too

    especially in the so-called inter-NET

    being more or less forced into that
    (i confess i would rather like to meet you in the body… but this here-now is the way possible just now)

    evenening-
    dark outside
    the house with a few flats in it
    is
    very quiet

    my fingers do tac-tac-tac

    and then the last one
    for a send-off….
    may you all have a nice evening wherever you
    a r e

    love (9)

    Madhu

    • bodhi vartan says:

      >> the “holographic issue” though………..

      >> you could say it is unlike so many other issues kind of CONTEMPORARY
      without having spiritual crutches to lean on

      Don’t fool yourself. The “holographic issue” is becoming a religion as we speak. Watch a movie called “The Thirteenth Floor” (1999). It implies that you have chosen (and manipulating) your current “earth role” from some point in the future. It won’t change anything but at least it might stop that guy going on and on about his mother never having sex.

  17. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    my understanding – bodhi vartan –
    of physics with its links to what we call religion (because we when we write words -need words)

    differs from yours

    i feel that there is kind of “star track” mental patterns
    but that is not mine
    it was very interesting though that shortly TV ARTE brought a very touching compilation about the star tracks movies and that what we call the “zeitgeist” of that time
    art – and especially film-makers (also the avatar myth what s gone have avatar II to XI or more) are on the go
    to take masses with them
    yet
    the are fixed on a more or less
    military approach to the “good and the bad” and the struggling of mankind

    this is a sannyas-news thread here
    isn t it -
    (including sadly enough – on-lookers – who might not at all been ever into searching or what i even now would see as a pilgrimage from here to here with all it s trial and error stuff)

    the stuff i try to bring into words
    IS connected with my trial and errors in that kind of pilgrimage
    and i would never post it somewhere else

    so
    you CAN say for sure
    there might be a lot of delusions “waiting” to crush

    so BE it

    but that doesn’t mean (up to now-here)
    that i don t try to contribute
    and say hello

    my way allowing the best i can to be open to find may be better words
    or ways

    it s a bit like breathing

    and ?
    thank also you bodhy vartan for the trigger to respond

    c a r a v a n s e r a i

    resting place
    virtual tea

    and thank all of you for THIS

    madhu

  18. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    and
    lokesh

    i have a question

    would it be too much re(A)spect to write my name like you write other names and by that i mean
    to write the name how it is spelled ????

    question-MARK

    from madhu

  19. shantam prem says:

    In the Vatican proceedings related with paedophile accusations, those Christian priests have found a new hope, who were reading Advaita literature.
    Their line of thought is judicial prudence may wash it out but the spiritualists must accept, ” We are not the bodies but spirits in the material world.”

    BV, to write, I am a spirit in a material world is like showing the dick to the man who is not homo!

  20. shantam prem says:

    Arpana has addressed to Lokesh,
    This is cheap.
    That you draw someone you despise as much as you do Shantam into it makes it even cheaper.

    I want to know from this boy, whether Uncle Osho has ever told you that he despise Shantam.
    You idiot, why you want to leave your used towel on the bed of Lokesh?

    Again I say, people who become wise through wise books are like pizzas in the freezer of Lidl.
    One simply cannot bite them.

  21. Lokesh says:

    ‘A little more cheapness please.’ Frank Zappa

  22. shantam prem says:

    Arpana my friend, here is one more drivel post from me.
    If someone sees otherwise, please correct me.

    All around the world, intentions and hard work of reading, praying, fasting, meditation is more or less quite intense and sincere, still not much flowering is visible in this particular sector.
    What can be the reason?
    My understanding is, generation next of all the founders have created, ” vasectomised Religion.”
    Fun surely it gives!

    PS-Osho dhara or Nepal version or Jayesh version are the attempts to use their surgical knives to make Osho compatible.
    In this way, vision can survive longer as a foot note index in the Indian Superstore of Religious atmosphere.”

  23. Kavita says:

    ” In this way, vision can survive longer as a foot note index in the Indian Superstore of Religious atmosphere.”

    Everything said & done , Shantam this is the most absurd statement from you or anyone for that matter . Iam sure you have your reasons for such a statement . Anyway I felt like voicing this .

  24. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    your posts lokesh
    as well as yours – shantam prem are sick
    and sickening

    and i really wonder about the “moderation -team”
    and how come that male chauvinistic perverts like you
    are posting with sannyas names

    as far as i am concerned i posted already how that happened haven my full name her-now
    and as i see what s happening
    amongst mentally sick hooligan like you are
    i won t change that
    as i feel i do not need to be ashamed

    ever so often like i said it before
    remembering yoga sudha s words

    shortly before she s been departing
    when she acknowledged the immense variety of motivations
    and life stories of sannyasin
    and that was a very very friendly approach to that what came into appearance once osho was seemingly gone

    madhu

    MOD: POINT TAKEN, MADHU. TWO SUCH POSTS HAVE BEEN DELETED.

    • Lokesh says:

      Mentally sick hooligan? That is a good one. I haven’t been to a football match in 45 years. Sudha? I once did a tantra group with her. It was…er…ehm….the most untantric three days in my life. Sudha was ok in my books…..just another fish in the tank when it all boils down. Glug! Glug! Pass me that bottle and I’ll sing you all a real song…..

  25. shantam prem says:

    Dear Ms. Madhu ji,
    When I see your posts, I promise to avoid them. I know you are not writing for me, neither I write for you. We live in the same street, does not mean we need to say hallo.
    Feel free. Walk free. Write freely.
    why I should carry the blame of being hooligan from a person, whose name sounds like female name.
    Once on facebook, I had a friend. Her name was Ma Prem Sudha, she was living in Germany and writing really inside stories of Ashram. I became curious, and also the feeling, it will be really great, if she comes in my life as girl friend. During second or third chating, it became clear, she is a Pune based Swami.

    Thanks

    Yours Sincerely,
    Shantam Prem

  26. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    thx s
    (like a dominic liked to post it)

    for your mr-murdock-english-way to show up with
    what an english website and majorities in it
    declaring “sannyas-news” and “chat”
    is rooted in

    madhu

  27. Lokesh says:

    MOD: POINT TAKEN, MADHU. TWO SUCH POSTS HAVE BEEN DELETED.
    This is, of course true. What Madhu does not realise is that the sympathetic editors on SN have, in their own way, been protecting her from barbed comments. I reckon this is because she appears, at least on the surface, like a sweet (like her name suggests) and harmless woman in a predominantly male environment. Hats off to the gents for endeavouring to attract a little female energy to the blog.
    Right from the start I have found Madhu’s comments somewhat flakey and perhaps belonging to an author who is a few cards short of a full deck. That is, of course, my opinion and others may see it differently. But I do have the right to express my opinion, especially about someone who describes me as a mentally sick hooligan.
    SN has many interesting aspects and one of the more fascinating ones for me is the people who show up displaying a spiritual personna that turns out to be a veneer that only needs a few scratches to display other personalities that are quite the opposite of what the person originally tried to project as who they really are. Madhu is such a person. Kicks off by addresssing everyone as beloved but is soon crying foul and calling the beloveds sick hooligans. This is a very important point because to a smaller or greater extent we are all in the same boat. We think we are one but in reality we are many and amidst the many are personalities that contradict each other totally. It is important because most of us do not wish to acknowledge the fact and if you do not acknowledge the fact you are stuck…fast asleep, dreaming your dreams. If we begin to awaken just a little one of the first things we realise is that most of the judgements that we have passed about other people are inaccurate or completely wrong. Ring a bell, anyone?

    MOD: SOME INTERESTING COMMENTS HERE, BUT FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW SN HAS PREFERRED NOT TO ENCOURAGE ‘INTER-PERSONAL ISSUES’, ‘PERSONALITY DISPUTES’ THAT HAVE LITTLE OR NO RELEVANCE TO THE TOPIC THREAD.
    SO WE WON’T BE PUBLISHING ANY MORE RE THIS ONE INVOLVING MADHU AND ONE OR TWO OTHERS, ESPECIALLY AS IT’S BASED ON RELATIVELY TRIVIAL POINTS (EG THE NUMBER OF EXCLAMATION MARKS!!!!).

    • Lokesh says:

      Thing is, Mod, that if you can rattle someone’s cage by pointing out that they are resorting to overuse of question marks to emphasize a point they might want to develop their writing style and look in the mirror.
      The personalty disputes I am referring to are the ones taking place inside the human psyche. I see this a holding more relevance to a sannyasin website than say ‘In a black hole, for instance, all the objects that ever fall into it would be entirely contained in surface fluctuations’
      I’ve met a few people that I might describe as black holes, but the article on which this thread began is, to say the least, difficult to relate to in human terms. Professor Maldacena would probably disagree, having said that the numerical proof that these two seemingly disparate worlds are identical provides hope that the gravitational properties of our universe can someday be explained by quantum theory, but personaly I don’t give a shit.

      MOD: QUITE SO, LOKI, AND IT’S SOMETIMES A TRICKY MATTER, BUT SN HAS A GENERAL POLICY AND HERE WE’RE STICKING TO IT, ESPECIALLY AS SUCH ‘ISSUES’ (AS IN THIS CASE) INVARIABLY DEGENERATE INTO A MUTUAL EXCHANGE OF ABUSE, WHICH ULTIMATELY SERVES NOTHING AND NO ONE.

  28. shantam prem says:

    Mr. Editor,
    let me differ, mutual exchange of abuse or eruption of emotions is one of the deepest cleansing process, not just individually but collectively.
    Ask the proponents of this hologram theory, stars and galaxies indulge in these games too.
    We are just offsprings of the ultimate chaos.

    MOD: OUR VIEW IS THAT PURELY ABUSIVE ONLINE EXCHANGES ARE OF VERY LIMITED VALUE, MOSTLY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT, SHANTAM.

    • satyadeva says:

      “Stars and galaxies” are run by their emotions, ie by their past, eh, Shantam? You mean they’re ‘personal’, just like us? Well, you coulda fooled me, man!

      But what a wonderful way to excuse being totally irresponsible, to give yourself carte-blanche for dumping any old shite onto whoever, whenever!

  29. shantam prem says:

    Question is why a small provocation leads to abusiveness?
    Love is skin deep or the anger?
    Here is one letter from the archives, may be it can shed some light.

    Beloved ABC,
    Love
    aaakkkkak ak Osho……..ajjaaa.
    shhsöahö g meditation aa aö a ö.
    sösösöasa live love laughter aöa .

    His Blessings
    Xyz

  30. shantam prem says:

    Yes..i believe stars and galaxies have emotions. They feel compatible with some, annoyed with others. As above, so below!
    SD, if you think they are rocks and hot gases, it is your prerogative.
    May be you can ask, Ms. Meera.

    • satyadeva says:

      Well, if anything was ever a finer example of ‘projection’ then I’ve yet to hear about it!

      The problem is, you misunderstand the nature of ‘as above, so below’, Shantam. It’s not that the stars etc. are ‘emotional’ in themselves – I mean, have some common sense, please! – it’s that the various constellations SYMBOLICALLY and IMPERSONALLY represent the human psyche, both in themselves and, crucially, in relation to each other.

      Rather like a map is not the land or sea it represents.

    • bodhi vartan says:

      I agree with you Shantam. What they fail to see is that whatever made us, contains us. We like to view ourselves as special and somehow separate. Well, at least Lokesh does. All that eastern mysticism has gone to waste.

  31. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    yes, you are “ambidextrous” lokesh
    how you mentioned it

    and yes, you can have some followers on this way hooting in the same horn

    and yes, you may come sooner or later to know
    that hurting me you’re also hurting yourself
    as it is vice versa

    (quoting ” a nutter professor’s” remark when i stay with your way of dealing with words)
    and what a shame if power of ambidextrous ways is misused.

    madhu

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