A letter from Swami Arun, Nepal, circa November 2nd, 2013
My Respected Beloved Friends,
Wishing you a very happy Dipawali.
It gives me great pleasure to share with you that yesterday we have released the first issue of Osho Tapoban’s video magazine, Osho Sandesh and our Calendar for 2014. (See link below). It is our cherished dream to spread Osho around the globe and with HIS grace slowly it is all taking shape.
Today Tapoban has opened 6 communes and has more than 75 active centers in Nepal and few residential ashrams and over 70 centers outside Nepal. Every year more than 3000 friends are being initiated into neo-sannyas through Tapoban and people from over 80 countries visit us every year. Internationally also we are facilitating Osho meditation camps and events in major cities of 20 countries around the world.
I am much delighted to inform you that this October we also opened our first residential Ashram in USA, Osho Niranjana in San Diego, California. It has the facility for 25 residents and can accommodate 75 people for meditations at the moment and we have space and plans for future expansion.
This year we also did a Mega-Osho retreat at the Patanjali Ashram in Haridwar with the courtesy of Respected Swami Ramdevjee and Acharya Balkrishnajee, in which more than 1800 friends joined us and 164 took initiation into sannyas .We have planned to do a mega-retreat of this magnitude every year which will bring together and inspire Osho lovers from all over the world.
In order to keep you connected and to update you of our news we have released this monthly video magazine which will be uploaded by the third of every month. It is a short film packed with a bit of humor, a bit of joy, a bit of wisdom and of course with a lot of love and energy from Osho Tapoban.
As this is our first humble effort we would love to hear your feedbacks, comments and support so that we can go on improving it every month.
the link to the video magazine is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oIsCIOfxq4
With much love and warm regards,
Swami Anand Arun
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If I hear correctly, Ma Mukta says” if you can make it happen in Nepal, you can make it happen all around the world”. Go for it buddy.
This is not a religion, even though it appears like one. Once anyone connected with Osho will obviously understands the true values ( merits and demerits) of his religion that came from parents and go beyond it.
More and more people start experiencing the oneness, the vastness, it becomes like a viral fever, a buzz on the webb, goes beyond tweeters, and beyond.
Go for it. Love it.
Hi, Arun, I watched the video for three minutes and thirty seconds, by which time my cringe meter was so in the red I was worried it might explode.
Yes, you have achieved much, basically because there exists a great need in the world today for creating something spiritual…anything will do.
When I watch your initiates swaying around in supposed excstasy with blissful smiles on their faces I see no harm being done. Afterall, it is at the very least promoting a spiritual vision for many people. Well and good.
When I watch you in action, Arun, I see a man who may well be prone to sentimentality, who has built a rep on knowing Osho in the good old days and although that might count a little it really does not amount to much in my books. People are so spiritually blind they will stagger towards even a flickering candle in the hope of illuminating the dark world they inhabit.
Once upon a time I swanned around and danced to those corny songs they sang in Poona One. In retrospect I see that the reason that I went for it was the incredible energy that Osho managed to generate. He was, amongst many other things, a love dynamo and I haven’t a clue how he did that but he did and that is enough for me. Besides, its history now. Today we have you going through the moves and initiating people into what exactly? I’m not sure, but I am sure it does not attract me in the slightest. After having participated in Osho’s energy field, before the rot set in, how could anyone be satisfied with what you have to offer in its current watered down form?
Which brings me to another point. Your vision of Osho does not seem to encompass the glaring anomalies that existed in Osho’s life in regards practices that were a million light years away from the saintly personage you’ve set yourself up as a representative of. Osho was not a saint and at times he was quite the opposite. Its like you’ve given Osho a thick coat of white wash. I find that a pity because it gives a very incomplete picture of who Osho actually was as a man. Yes, Osho was a man, a remarkable one, it goes without saying, but he was utterly human and as such prone to making blunders and mistakes, in some instances outrageous ones. I really enjoyed that about Osho, his humanity made him much ore accessable. Now you’ve hoisted him onto a pedestal, around which those who know no better will gladly dance around and project their ideas of bliss, surrender, devotion, unconditional love etc.
I noticed what I took to be some older sannyasins in the crowd that you’ve managed to gather around you. I wonder about that. I wonder if perhaps if the platform you’ve created is suitable for bhakti type personalities, or, like many older sannyasins involved today with sannyas, what their investment is.
One of my great spiritual friends told me that whenever you see a crowd gathering around a spiritual teacher, beware. Watching your performance, Arun I know what he meant. There is nothing bad about what you are doing but it all seems a little hollow from where I am standing. That said, I wish you the very best and that your achievements go from strength to strength, bascically because your movemnet is peaceful at heart and, as I am sure you will agree, we can always do with a bit more piece in the world.
To conclude, I have Osho partly to thank for where I stand today. Alone. And I am loving it. I’m free of the need for anyg uru-trip in my life and I will continue to fly on the flight of the alone to the alone and steer well clear of the crowds. Over and out.
Lokesh basically could not achieve much! In good old days with Osho, his heart had caught fire of Osho’s love energy, But he could not nurture it and so lost it! Rot has set in him! So bad odour of Dry intellectualism is what he is left with! So no body is going to him! Who is going to a rotting thing!
Meanwhile Osho’s love energy is spreading non-stop through those who nurtured the fire of Osho’s love energy! These beautiful disciple like Swami Anand Arun, Swami Rajneesh – through them Osho’s Love dynamo is still available and people will flock around them!
Poor Lokesh! It pains him that others of his time have blossomed with love energy while he continues to stink of mental gymnastics! He can not throw love energy and so he is throwing his grumbling energy in this post!
He has been left behind alone because he is devoid of Incredible Osho energy! Un-necessarily he is making a virtue out of it talking blah blah of flight of alone to alone!
Just wonder! Osho steering clear of crowds! Where Lokesh would be then!
Lokesh is forgetting a simple point. Arun´s Osho product is primarily for the Nepalese people. He is giving roots and wings of confidence to a country, which desperately needs to be counted among the well to do of the world.
When you look at Nepalese Osho disciples, in Nepal or expats they seem to be the happiest among all the different racial and ethnic groups. They are young, vibrant and hopeful.
It is a commendable work of Arun ji.
It is nonsense on the part of western European rational mind to think, they will and should be benefited from Arun´s Osho brand.
Those who need Cialis cannot get much from Novalgin!
I think somewhere down the line, Osho must have got this impression if 10, 20 “Gora”(white) people could spread Jesus as world´s leading brand. Thousands such can do it in 100 times faster way to his work being spread on global level.
Same colour but different time.
Now a days who has the time to waste on the ” Go went Gone” masters of 20th century and that too from India.
21st century has its own ” Come came Come” on the assembly line.
Made in EU!
Yes, Shantam, and the EU has served your purposes well enough. Not so long ago you were telling us about drawing unemployment benefit. When sannyasins headed west in 1981, after the break up of Poona One, Osho gave specific guidelines about not claiming such benefits, especially so if one had not contributed anything into such a benefit scheme. I understand Osho’s logic along those lines and agree with it. Yet here comes Shantam with all this East/West mumbo-jumbo, which was relevant in the sixties but is obsolute now due to the fact that the planetary populance has been united in its love of a new god…consumerism. Meanwhile Shantam speaks about white people as if they are some sort of sub-species while relying on the social benefit system created by the ignorant Goras. Its a tragic joke and so it runs right down the line and much of this is based on the delusion that simply being born on the Indian subcontinent makes one more receptive to all hings spiritual.
Shantam’s rhetoric might fool an uneducated simpleton but I doubt many SN regulars will take any of it seriously. Take the following bit of nonsense, ‘Arun is giving roots and wings of confidence to a country, which desperately needs to be counted among the well to do of the world..’ How on earth can a finacial basketcase like Nepal ever hope to be counted alongside the well-to do nations of the world? That is simply impossible. Nepal is struggling just to be a stable nation, without having civil war come marching down the shining path. The Nepalese will simply be happy just to have food and clean drinking water on the table and not be so stupid as to entertain far-fetched fantasies about being on par with Germany, Japan, USA etc. How could they when reliant on those countries for handouts in the form of financial aid? One and a half billion and counting. Nothing on world markets but a lot for a small underdeveloped nation like Nepal.
Shantam’s above comments are nothing more than a bizarre blend hype, patronizing twaddle (It is a commendable work of Arunji.) and uneducated nonsense. Yet somehow Shantam has managed to work himself into the delusional state of actually believing that he knows what he is talking about. Not a very good example to cast in the role of devoted Osho disciple, because he actually looks to all intents and purposes like someone who is utterly stuck in a concrete straitjacket and living in a cellar without any contact with the world at large. Yes, and meanwhile raving on about maintaing Osho’s legacy. Gimme a break.
“How on earth can a financial basketcase like Nepal ever hope to be counted alongside the well-to do nations of the world? ”
Sometimes your colonialistic side come out very strong,Lokesh.
Even the fantastic Life on Ibiza wasn’t enough to wash it out?
Another uneducated comment. This time from YS.
Looks like I have the dummies on the march. My ‘colonialistic’ side. Who you trying to kid?
there is none to kid,His Majesty Lokesh.The highest between the highs,who doesn’t need anything anymore from the ignorant people who live in misery around him,but for some unexplicable reason always need to have the last word in every talk,in my uneducated state of ignorance,may i ask you one question:did you consider that Arun may be more interested in the young people of his own country,than in Your Majestic Personality?And do you see any other way to spread Osho in the world’s last constitutionally declared Hindu state,than make it look like something Holi?
With my apologies
YS, that is two questions. You can’t even count, let alone participate in a debate.
When First world countries are going to produce their first hand Enlightened masters?
To be on the fairer side, I really hope so.
I know few are getting in the master league but with the help of artificial insemination from some Luck-Now fertility clinics….
You haven’t looked enough, Shantam, but I doubt whether you’d resonate with any western masters, so no real need to bother yourself with thinking about whether there are or have been any.
Shantam, dropping this whole enlightened master trip you are running on might not be a bad idea because you just don’t get it.
One thing is certain: an average Nepalese is a much more cheerful and loving person, than an average Brit! that I can vouch for having lived in both countries. You decide, what is important! Colonialistic sides are always here…
“Hi, Arun, I watched the video for three minutes and thirty seconds, by which time my cringe meter was so in the red I was worried it might explode.” – I have the same with reading your posts, Lokesh. So long for so many years…Not sure you stand ALONE though, you are always on line …so much gibberish, ha? So much to say….
The ex-Gurkhas working in security I met during a job abroad certainly fitted your description, Chetna, yet if Nepal ‘goes the way of the world’, ie ‘westernises’, then it’s probably only a matter of time before that good-hearted cheerfulness becomes eroded, just like it has almost everywhere else. Sad, but apparently almost inevitable, I’m afraid.
And, of course, it’s a land in some political turmoil, isn’t it, with Maoist terrorists on the march?
Who will fight and dance wiz Osho when terrorists come? Who will stop any fackin ex-sannyasins when they shout in Nepal?
We can do this things?
Who can really shout hoo! hoo! hoo! Or sing wiz osho song?
“Hi, Arun, I watched the video for three minutes and thirty seconds, by which time my cringe meter was so in the red I was worried it might explode.”
Lokesh seems frustrated and angry, about to explode. My, my, some violence creeping through his jealousy ?
Rather than look at what I say, Shunya, you resort to old school labels. I’m not angry, frustrated, or about to explode. I merely sharing my opinion. Obviously too much for your pea brain.
Chetna, I did not request that you read my comments. That is your choice. If you want to waste your time reading what you take to be gibberish that is your problem nobody elses.
Well, I did decide not to comment here with my poor English, but now I just really need to. Arun seems to just be IN ACTION with osho’s work, rest of you are NOT doing anything, except for your self and perhaps for your wife or some friends.. When you are not in love your self you do not recognize it and it looks a bit silly and irritating (at least for me). Reflections. I am not sure if I would participate with any of Arun’s work but I do for sure love what he is doing. He seems to be doing what all osho therapists are doing in all over the world. He is just bringing more Osho in and his meditations than “western therapists”. I totally love it.
“One of my great spiritual friends told me that whenever you see a crowd gathering around a spiritual teacher, beware…”
Shri Lokesh….
Does it imply, “One of the great researcher has found out while running his kiosk, ” If you buy from the superstores, something in you will get shrink, beware.”
After knowing Swami Anand Arun since 2006, one thing is very clear — he is an extremely determined and ultra-passionate individual. Every bench mark that he has set for himself up until now has all happened very smoothly and exactly the way that he described it when it was un-manifest. I remember organizing meditation camps for Swami Arun in Canada, and those days, the numbers of participants were 30-40 max, and it was painstakingly hard to gather. During that time he said, one day, having 150 people at a camp will be the average number (that day came about 2-3 years back). I doubted that his style would grab any attention in North America, however, I am pleasantly surprised that there is an enormous American following growing in his centers. He’s completed his own publishing of OSHO books through OSHO Tapoban, created 3 more residential communes in Nepal and is featured major news outlets regularly spreading Osho’s work. Osho Tapoban these days look like a mini city with a regular 70 people living there and dozens of visitors every day. He’s built connections with major spiritual figures in India such as Ramdev and Guru Jaggu Vasudev–both of whom privately hosted Swami Arun in their centers and visits. Not everyone will agree on his distinct branding of OSHO, however, it complements the distinct branding of OSHO in Pune. I enjoy both views of OSHO, and it only adds to the richness of OSHO’s multi-dimensional character.
Once I was sitting on the beach with Dr Babbottkar when he took a handfull of sand in his palm and said to me that
“as many grains of sand that you can see on this beach, there shall be living in Nepal in future”.
I said , “My God!”
Later,as the sun was setting, Dr Babbottka pointed at the sea coming in on the shore and shouted out loud, “hagadagada!”
“Acha” I remarked. I had understood.The waves were coming in and washing away and dissolving the sand on the shore.
“Everything must be destroyed” said Dr Babbottka.
“Shiva was smoking his chillum one night around a a fire and he fell asleep. As he lay down the pipe fell over and the ashes spilt out and created Nepal and the mighty himalayas. But even they will be destroyed sooner or later.”
i know a Dr. Vinny Boombotts, he tells jokes for a living. He once said to me, “My wife, she gives good headache”…. i asked him for her phone number, since i was in dire need of a good headache. Looks as though those Nepalese dialed up Arun’s phone number, now they’re happy as any Nepalese can be- getting good headache, at an expensive price.
“… it complements the distinct branding of Osho in Pune.” What is that distinct “branding” that Osho himself provided in Pune? Arun has put his twisted brand to the sannyas trip…Osho is the1st and the last, so how can Arun compliment Osho? This sounds much like the crap that went on after Christ’s death, Mohammed’s death and Buddha’s death.. the original stands on its own, but when the dumb disciples get their chance to add their “flavor” or interpretation(s), all “hell” breaks loose…. so give it a rest, Amrito.
I’m not disagreeing with you Honesucklerose, hence I’m using the word “branding” very intentionally–which in marketing means position a service or product to serve a specific agenda. Yes, this is the unfortunate aspect that many under the Tapoban banner do not question: how did OSHO himself brand his message before he left his body? It is very clear none of the sannyasins around OSHO at that time wore their malas, the mandatory orange phase was over, the resort started following the “holiday” resort model, and things that are currently banned in places like Tapoban such as Alcohol, were being offered within the Resort.
which agenda are you following?
I’d rather not follow an agenda period. When any organization is formed, even while OSHO was in the body, there is always something that has to be compromised to make things work. If meditation, or meditation techniques, or spaces for meditation or hindrance to Osho’s literal message via books–is not disturbed, than the other peripheral stuff is just bunk, and not of significance.
it all reminds me of a story I heard about an (in)famous scottish skinhead,hamish macnutter,who,one matchday in glasgow,climbed high into the roofing above the terraces at the away end, and leapt down 100 feet or so into the terraces…. landing on the massed ranks of the rival supporters…..
I never found out what happened to him.
rumour has it he moved to Ibiza……
Maybe by accident he had the scarf from the opposite team withal.
Frank- a “scottish skinhead”? You must be talking about Lokesh!!!
Only time I attended an ‘Old Firm’ match at Hampden Park, I was hit on the head with a beer can full of urine tossed by a Celtic fan, and I’ve never been the same since.
Taking Lokesh´s point further, whether crowd gathers around spiritual master by itself or master beats the drum for crowd to gather?
I think like in every sphere of life, spiritual masters have their own level of ambitions like every other entrepreneurs. Few doctors are happy to be GP, few want to be specialised and few have the dream to open their own hospital and few even go further, they want to have the chain of hospitals.
It is a simple clear fact that how so ever Osho used to amuse people with His, I am a lazy man; when one sees the photos and listen His talks, he was from very beginning making ways for His destiny to shine as a world spiritual leader. He became one, for sure, in His life time.
What the hell are you talking about? geezz… english translation please.
Shantam, as far as world spiritual leaders go Osho was not and is generally not viewed as such. Kind of dificult to claim such a title when some of his top disciples were running around poisoning people. More hype on your part. Look, man, your master does not have to be famous to be a good master. Drop it! The Dalai Lama and the likes of Sri Sri Ravi Shanker take the cake hands down in the global spiritual leader stakes. Who cares. Not I.
Lokesh dear, I am not this much blinded by devotion to compare living beings with the dead ones. But yes, can use the phrase “Left the body” for the great souls.
The generation of Indian gurus are reaping the harvest as far as world exposure and name fame wealth is concerned. Afer all luck is also a big factor, peace time generals can really fight well. Their mediocrity is never exposed.
Dear Swami Arun!
I congratulate you!
Just wanted to tell you an old saying ” Thousands of Dogs may keep barking but the Elephant keeps walking”
Here on Sannyas News, it is just intellectual dogs barking!
So you are the elephant of Being and Bliss! Keep walking!
You are such a relief for younger sannyasins!
A rare elephant among so many old intellectual dogs!
SN, no place like it for setting the cat amongst the chickens. Not much of a crowd gathering around this post and definitely nothing to beware of, except pretty mundane comments and the occasional burst of mumbo-jumbo from Shantam’s direction. Frank and the funny guys are keeping a low profile and life pretty much goes on. I find that most are not taking this site as an opportunity to really express anything of much interest currently. Perhaps I am guilty of that too, my interest in the likes of Arun’s achievements being zilch. Still, I tried. Further on up the road…
In fact, counting is not very interesting, really thrilling would be the intersect of one’s realisation, perhaps we find similarities.
The elephant may well keep walking but this partricular long-trunked beastie definitely suffers from selective amnesia. Woof!
Osho had talked on symbols of Hinduism and their inner meaning!
Elephant symbolized wisdom!
Sannyas news hardly has any news on sannyas!
he`s not an elephant.
he`s a hierophant.
managed to get round to watching a few minutes of the vid.
I got as far as the prayer meditation bit where arun was surrounded by his group,hands clasped to their chests,eyes down, and arun said “lord,have mercy…”
lord have mercy? are you serious?
this is ol` time religion and no mistake.
Nepal: the osho bible belt!
advice:move to texas,you might pick up some lapsed good ol` boys…..
well,ol` timer jist goes t`show
a red robe don`t hide a red neck..
ride those disciples in rawhide
yeehaar..
I mean.
yahoo…
When a Arun, a Rajneesh become synonymous with Osho´s Spiritual mart, it shows how deeply an Amrito or Jai Jayesh have crippled the whole thing.
I wonder where are those trustworthy generals and ambassdors; Osho was appointing for each and every country?
May be teaching path of love in Russia, Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus etc. etc.
Strange logic, Shantam. Why blame Amrito and Jayesh for what you appear to regard (correct me if I’m mistaken) as the shortcomings of Arun and Swami R?
Arun and Rajneesh have no shortcomings. As an individual devotees they are doing what they can, and in a way, in a very charming way.
But they can reach only to certain people, who are in need of personal attention.
A rational western seeker does not need sugar daddy but a place where he can meet like minded and hearted people. Seeker to seeker motivation is never been fully appreciated. There are idiots who think what is the need for the leaves in a tree´s life.
Most of the blame will go to the management of Osho´s headquarters in Pune. They have not done pruning but Vasectomy of a unique creation.
So you need – or think you need – such a place, Shantam? How can you speak on behalf of anyone else (especially any “rational western seeker”)?
Anyway, Germany would be a better bet than Switzerland, wouldn’t it?
The oldies commentators of SN!
They are all impotent babblers!
They do not have any fire of Osho in them!
They inspire none!
They themselves are not inspired by Osho anymore!
Their whole glory is in past when Osho was in body!
Their whole work left is to criticize any body who is potent in inspiring others in present moment!
These oldies are basically J Krishnamurti disciples, talking high, living without any base!
These oldies, somehow are trying to cover their inaction, non-flowering by pointing and talking about limitations of others!
The basic question is what is right and what is wrong!
No action is right and No action is wrong!
Acting out of inner enlightenment is right!
Acting out of inner unenlightenment is wrong!
So Rajneesh and Arun they have inner realization – They are right – whatever action come out of them is right!
And Team Jayesh and Oldies of SN – they have just a blah blah mind – Experience of dirty linen of Osho movement – No inner realization – They are basically wrong — Whatever comes out of them is wrong!
These oldies of SN – they think that their experience of life in Osho world and out of Osho world makes them wise – Wiser than sometimes Osho – Wiser always than Rajneesh and Arun!
These Oldies of SN – no inner realization – no maturity – always judging those with inner realization!
Ekantam:
“Acting out of inner enlightenment is right!
Acting out of inner unenlightenment is wrong!
So Rajneesh and Arun they have inner realization – They are right – whatever action come out of them is right!
And Team Jayesh and Oldies of SN – they have just a blah blah mind – Experience of dirty linen of Osho movement – No inner realization – They are basically wrong — Whatever comes out of them is wrong!”
SD:
But you are so very mistaken, Ekantam. “Realisation” is no guarantee against making mistakes, likewise absence of “inner enlightenment” certainly doesn’t mean one necessarily gets everything wrong.
Your statements again betray your naivete.
And as I said earlier, your addiction to the exclamation mark requires urgent treatment….
Last evening I came across a news, ” Around a week ago, Demi Moore was in Maclondganj to be part of a seminar where Dalai Lama was present in his usual way as witty speaker.”
Why, who is who of the world, whenever they have some longing about spiritual upliftment simply follow the Dalai Lama? I think, town resided by Dalai Lama gets more world celebrities than all the Indian cites combined together.
Many Osho disciples will shrug their shoulders, ” But Dalai Lama is not enlightened.”
Enlightened or no Enlightened, one thing is clear, he is alive, not in the grave. If people are getting connected with Buddha, it is really not because of Buddhist literature, but of the living people who are carrying the match sticks and candles with.
There is no replacement of Human Trust, human bonding…
Unfortunately, Osho Sannyas has become devoid of this natural state. Yes, one can be in the atmosphere of warmth but for that pay for the weekend or five days group, so that fly by night Mama can feed the hungry souls from the book excerpts, ” Tantra; The Supreme Understanding”.
Ahem…
I would like to take this opportunity to inform our dearly beloved readers that owing to severe employment demands upon my English and the teaching of it thereof, I have little time to join in the fracassing here, as once I did. Just remember one thing if nothing else….out in the unreal world here in Italy nothing comes close to the years spent larking about making waves in and out of sannyasidom…not even a Guy Fawkes banger up the Khyber Pass could shift most people from their slumber….so good on all us spiritual tarts here who know how to give our clients on SN a rollicking good time. Funtastic….
until next time
Kisses and stuff
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PM:”Just remember one thing if nothing else….out in the unreal world here in Italy nothing comes close to the years spent larking about making waves in and out of sannyasidom…not even a Guy Fawkes banger up the Khyber Pass could shift most people from their slumber….”
Indeed Indeed!!!
Have been reading the gibberish that most write in here and me must admit that some DEEP DEEP indulgent sleep is most obvious. ZzzZz
Hehehe.. Most entertaining though.. Between the wannabes gurujis and the wannabes followees/devotees.. Hem hem.. Though sh*t mate!
C’est la guerre des tranchées all over again.. Which is quite fitting with the times..
Big warm hug to Lokeshji and Prem Martyn and Krankji who somehow crack me up almost all the time.. They appear to be in the eye of the storm with the ankle-bitters all around.. Bueno Pura Vida and don’t forget to breathe…..
Bhakti, great name.
Thank you.. But it is spelled with the H after the T..
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Is Bakhti the live in of PM?
I think this fellow wanted to write his name as Bhakti.
How close yet how far away Bakhti and Bhakti are, I can explain only through a joke.
what is the common factor between FBI and 69?
Just a slip of tongue and one is deep shit.
Swami Anand Arun,
Good intentions – No clarity, Sincere but have subtle ego and gurudom.
Doing great job of spreading osho, only his kind of people do the foundation work which is appreciable. I have found most of the camp takers, centre leaders (not all) want attention and are ambitious people with hidden superiority/seniority complex which is used for good for new commers and themselves as their outgoing energy needs expression. This judgement is as per my osho understanding till date. I may be wrong in my judgment. I am sorry for hurting Arun fans, I know Arun will not feel hurt, he is a real Gurkha brother and I have so many Nepali friends and neighbors who are among the most beautiful, trusting, cheerful people. I love Nepal and Nepalis.
There is a problem with sex with the Arun outfit. Perhaps one of the most amazing things that Osho did for those of us involved with him during the seventies was that he directly addressed the sex issue in a Reichian way. At that time it was a real revolution to be living in a commune that somehow alchemically worked – one seemed to meet the right person whether for a night or a month who was somehow right for one’s growth, and you were right for theirs. And that freedom was essential to personal growth and living what could be called a truly energetic life, and eventually ending up simply just being in some way “love” in an unpossessive way towards all.
But from what I hear it is all a bit straight laced in the Arun outfit, and arguably a little bit calvinist…. now how has that been lost when the “semblances” of mala, sannyas uniform, etc are all the same as the old Pune one commune?!
Parmartha,
You have touched the rare point in the above post; the point which was the USP of Osho movement. How sex and love became the part of seeker´s journey and set Osho´s movement apart from any thing and everything other masters are doing or have ever done.
It was not Pune one phenomenon but continued in Pune 2 in more refiner way, and amazingly till 2000.
If USP could survive ten years after Osho´s death, there was no way to stop it even for thousand years.
To blame Arun is really unfair. He is not dealing with the crème la crème of the west but Nepalese. His is the Hindu version of Osho and fact is Osho would have done the same when sannyas movement was a regional sect supported by Gujratis, Biharis, Punjabis etc.
Even Osho´s main seat is not keeping that fire intact, why to blame the others.
Parmartha, I think we cannot compare Arun or anybody else with Osho or the time when Osho was in the body. It is pointless, and “love” you refer to I am sure was because Osho was around. I have not been there, but that’s the feeling I have. If you go now and shag a new person every day, I am sure you will not feel a bit of love. Londoners practise free sex a lot, but it is often under the influence of drugs and alcohol so in that unconscious state love cannot rise. Arun comes from Nepal and by now we should learn and appreciate different countries and cultures.
I guess if we wanted to Arun can be criticised a lot and rightly pointed out his Calvinist way of presenting Osho. The thing is that it is exactly what attracted me to his style. When I came to Osho I was looking for meditation, nirvana and a lot around Osho was much on a periphery and cannot stand even close to Osho’s words (forget about His energy). With Arun at least the emphasis is on meditation and not on shagging the next to me ugly bold man during the tantra group.
With Arun things are different. Yes, he is not perfect, but he is special, devoted, hard working. For someone to achieve what he has in one of the poorest countries in the world is a “hat off” achievement. Most of the people are lukewarm in their professional, personal and spiritual life. Arun is way ahead and that is very inspirational.
Now can I sit here and criticise him or someone else, of course I can. Words are cheap…You go and open a small Osho centre? There is none in London! There is nowhere to go and meditate with sannyasins (small groups here and there). Whether the hell all those progressed spiritual sannyasins to carry on the fire? If I go to Nepal I have a massive choice, and isn’t it wonderful? To set them up and run them financially in any country is a big deal, but in Nepal is a miracle!
Quality post Chetna.
Many things around Arun imitate Poona one, that is all I want to say, but it certainly misses the tantric element. A mutual contact of ours, Swami Navojat, reports being “told off” by Nepalese after a loving embrace after a meditation…
It was a great mix that between love and meditation, and nothing to do with shagging the next man or woman, if you think that you are mistaken.
I am against “centres” and “organisations”, I saw in my life so much destruction of what I would consider Osho’s real work that way.
But it can and does happen without such things – in tube trains, in moments on a windswept heath, sannyasins can simply commune, and whenever the alchemy brings them together even on a free floating website.
In supermarket checkouts even.
\(^o\) (/o^)/
Actually I meant in supermarket checkout lines.
Even.
\(^o\) (/o^)/
Ah, it must be Swami Heathcliff calling us from those Wuthering Heights of…er, not Nepal, surely?!
this is amazing I had a totally opposite experience. I want to tell you first that with the help of osho meditations I had tremandous tantra experiences and appreciate osho approach towards openness about sex. I went to attend one of the Arun’s Camp with my girlfriend and enjoyed the meditation and celebration part but when he took question answer session and a quite elderly woman asked that now she is no more interested in sex to my surprise Arun immediately told her that it is not good and she must go for sex and the way he said it, it was not the least in osho spirit and a person like me who is so much open minded about meditative sex and my bold girlfriend really felt disgusted and all our projection of Arun’s seniority and osho understanding immediately evoporated and we laughed at his interpretation of osho tantra. Believe me he is even more advanced than osho himself as far sex is concerned. And I tell you most of Nepalis are bold people and have a healthy and open approach about love and sex. But in the end hats off to Arun’s Osho devotion. No doubt he was one of the favorite of osho. I adore his tremendous contribution in osho movement.
There is no Osho Centre in London!
it means there are no expat Nepali Sannyasins in London neither there are from Russia, Ukraine, Romania or even Azerbaijan.
These people have passion and uncultivated heart as far as Osho is concerned. They have not lost anything in Ponzi schemes. With these people Osho vision can grow, the way Buddhism grew in China. Arun ji have become almost like Bodhidharma of Osho movement.
In the main land west, Osho can resurrect again if leadership in Pune get changeg and keep the original USP.
But seems like they are so obstinate, will go on trying the Petrol vehicle with Diesel. Miracles do happen.
Starting petrol car filled with Diesel is a Zen version of one hand clapping!
There may be no centre, but neo-sannyas is alive and well in London but it isn’t wearing orange and a mala!
Going to Nepal, Delhi or Dharamshala for 2 weeks of Dynamic, Natraj is like going to Napoli from London for Pizza Napoli.
One just need to write Kundalini Yoga Meditation in Google and names of cities will come automatically. This is not with any of Osho meditations.
Parmartha…there is certainly irony in what you have observed, because sexuality might not be seen in the open in Tapoban, but rumours have it, behind closed doors, there is a lot of it….and in the spaces where you’d least expect it. Can’t say more than that.
Thanks. Yes I had heard the same rumours!!
Selling sex on Arun’s behalf Amrito? Are you getting a commission? Osho was well aware of the power of selling sex too, wasn’t he? Sex always draw the punters in, doesn’t it? Another example of the ‘ dickstinct branding’ you previously referred to? Your choice of language gives you away. Stop messing around with the small fry of OIF, just send in a job application to some big corporation or oil company or some such. Quite clearly you are a salesman! Have the courage to come out of the closet instead of hiding behind meditation!
Lol, commission from who? Which side are you claiming I get commission from? And in what context are you taking my points of view? I’m clearly open about who I am, hence there is direct link to my website and activities, so there is not much to hide “Steve James” AKA _______. Hypocrisy is all I’m pointing out, and it boils down to exposing a puritan approach to OSHO which in reality, is not very puritan at all behind closed doors.
Judging by your reply dear Amrito, it looks like you are a sensitive soul and I have hit a sore spot? You query my identity, so OK I’m gonna come clean with you! My sannyas name is ‘DoesItMatter?’. I am the voice of conscience and constructive criticism as well as being a fully qualified Reality Checking Inspector. OK so let’s try and be sensible and not pursue this reactive line any further. You have just gone into your emotions, I guess, and are lashing out a bit. Be rest assured, your reactive feelings will pass, just like the clouds, and to this end I will pray for your soul.
In your case tho it is crucial to know who you are or not, given the notoriety of your sannyass name! So please let’s ascertain exactly who you are, because it is not clear to me from your website, who you are and this could in fact be a simple case of mistaken identity. Are you the AMRITO, second in command of the OIF and side-kick, chief ass-licker in waiting, to Jayesh? Are you the one with the carefully cultivated appearance of an Old Testament figure with gray hair, fanatical beard and crazed eyes, painstakingly achieved over many years by imbibing excessive amounts of alcohol? Were you or were you not, responsible for doctoring Osho? Are you the ONE, the Anti-Osho? If you are not THAT ONE, then Amrito I will humbly offer an apology, because I will have done you a great disservice. Finally, I would just like to say that if you are not THAT ONE, then if I were you, I think I would do myself a favour and change my name.
Arun’s new sannyas version of sex= repressed sex, behind closed doors or is it “Behind the Green Door’( famous early porn movie made in 1973). So, now sannyasins are in the process of regressing, at least in Nepal, a country not so open about sex, compared to the West. so we are to follow Arun’s lead and regress sexually? at least Osho let things hang loose, and allowed for the free expression of sex in the communal setting.. I mean how many times did i see it, where one second at a party, things are mellow, then next, several couples are humping away on the floor, couch or kitchen table.. blowjobs, pussy licking you name it… and with flare too; one person dressed up in S/M bondage outfit, the other, feathers in his hair, whipped cream hanging off the tip of his tongue ready to muff dive on down to the wheat field. Now, with Arun directing, might as well rent a room at some flea infested flop house with a broke condom machine and fuck with your clothes on.. sounds a we bit too Orthodox Jewish for me… is that Gefilte Fish I’m smelling?
Perhaps those very goings-on tended to create a sort of ‘tranquillising effect’, helping to nurture a climate where people wouldn’t bother too much about what the powers-that-be were getting up to?
Somewhat like the western world these days…
Just an idea, that’s all.
Seems very strange b/ c I don’t think anyone in nepal or Tapoban have anything against sex, yet I’m very happy they do not practise what you HoneySuckle describe as basically orgies. Nepal actually has a lot better sexual health than India and it shouldn’t be generalized that it is necessarily repressed; however those that need to continually advertise their sexual freedom outta be questioned for their repressive roots (ie Christianity ) . Unfortunately India due to their Christian and Muslim invaders , has become a repressed land , even though the spiritual side supports freedom FROM sex. Luckily, Nepal was never invaded and continues to have healthy attitudes!
I am really interested in what the Arun’s, Veeresh’s and Rajneesh people of this world say to these plain facts about Osho’s directives which I was personally present for in 1985:
On September 26, Osho told us to stop wearing the colours of the rainbow and the rising sun – and the mala, the traditional symbols of initiation (Rajneesh Times, 1986: 27). All malas were to be sent back. When some protested, Osho relented a little and allowed such people as wanted to, to keep their mala and wear it privately. However many still use the mala and the colours of the rainbow publicly nearly thirty years after the teacher responsible for them foreclosed them!
At the same time he announced the end of Rajneeshism, saying “A religion has died.” A celebration of the death of Rajneeshism took place at Rajneeshpuram which I personally attended in which a funeral pyre was made of copies of Sheela’s book Rajneeshism and her “Pope’s robes.”
The Rajneesh Times of October 4, 1985 offered Osho’s explanations for these actions: to me they reveal his acute concern for the problem of institutionalization.
In an interview with Bill Graves of the Bulletin, Osho said he had decided to take these steps in an effort to keep his movement from becoming institutionalized. The book and the word “Rajneeshee” were developed he stated by Ma Anand Sheela – against his wishes during his three-and-a-half years of silence.
Osho said:
“I hate the word ‘ism.’ ”
Osho continued to deliver blows to the organisation of his movement. The Rajneesh Times of October 2nd reported when I was still personally present on the Ranch that he abolished the daily “gauchamis” or bowing ceremony “which he said was too similar to ritual Christian and Mohammedan prayers” and at the same time he put an end to the terms “worship” and “temple” which were to become plain old “work” and “department” again. I understand such gauchamis are still being used in some organisations of sannyas, nearly 30 years after they were discontinued!
Funny how those who most say surrender to the Master is vital, actually ignore his plainest directives!
he abolished the daily “gauchamis” or bowing ceremony “which he said was too similar to ritual Christian and Mohammedan prayers” and at the same time he put an end to the terms “worship”
It’s clearly like that,but why he allowed this before? Everyday they have done it for some months or year,and then it become an old stupid religious worship of the ugly past of humanity,everyone is happy…..so why he set up this scene? A device to awakening? Or all was designed from Sheela? AND IF YES,WHY HE DON’T CARE? This people was there for him…..To this simple questions,again and again,there is a decent answer?
YTS.
it was all part of a master plan to get rid of religious crap.
osho always said you have to do stuff first in order to to go past it.
god is a fantasy
religion is bollox
religious groups make people retarded.
krishnamurti knew it and said it…
so did osho.
the difference was, osho set up and conducted a massive situationist quasi-religious psycho-drama to actually prove it!!
my view is that the likes of arun are continuing the work.
if they are all asking god for mercy and coming on all hindu then all popping out the back of the cowsheds for a shag,pretty soon the cowshit will hit the fan and they`ll get egg on their faces (or lunghis)…
oh,but I`ve said too much,shouldnt give the game away……
Gauchami’s
dear YS, as far as I know were an invention of Sheela or one of her crew circa 1982, others may have the full detail. I dont have personal knowledge of this, but believe they are still “done” in certain places, perhaps Tapoban?
Osho didn’t care very much at all about what was happening around him organisation wise. Difficult for you maybe to understand. He was a supreme delegator, and then didn’t look to even see how people like Sheela were really doing in their jobs…
Surely he personally introduced them in 1981, just after he stopped Darshan, and he began silent sitting in the morning and then went to the States.
I may even have been there the first morning
Happy to be corrected. I first remember doing them in Medina around 1982, but my memory is not what it was!
Do you have the reference when you say that Osho “personally” introduced them.
That was badly phrased.
He was there. In Silence.
An Indian woman sang and then we followed.
Was May 1981.
Parmartha!
When you miss the point, you land in confusion!
What is right? Right is what comes out of Enlighenment!
Osho is enlightened master!
So Osho was right when he allowed robes and mala!
Osho was right when he disallowed robes and mala!
Both the instances, he was right because he was enlightened!
So Aruns, Veereshs, Rajneeshs they all are right if they are enlightened!
Enlightened persons are entitled to freedom of choosing any tools!
Opinions of unenlightened never mattered to Osho, nor it is going to matter to Rajneesh and Arun!
Parmartha, the real issue is whether you are enlightened?
If yes, you are entitled to your cribbing!
If no, your cribbing has no value!
It’s fine, but why proclaim that those matters today are what “Osho’s” wishes are. Why not be a little more integral and say “I believe OSHO may have been wrong, and I believe I am right, and these tools are MY understanding”. These days “OSHO Says” is like the classical game of “Simon Says”.
But Amrito, Ekantam is saying Osho (and each of the others he lists) was/is ALWAYS right!
There’s sometimes, or even often, a fine line between 100% sincere devotion to one’s ‘path’ and downright, essentially unintelligent fanaticism. Ekantam, not for the first time here, has crossed that line.
Why does ‘spirituality’ seem to attract such foolishness? Or is it a virtually unavoidable characteristic of the human race?
Now, just watch out for all those exclamation marks….
Yes certainly there may have been instances where OSHO made the “wrong” decision, however, it was a decision none-the-less, and from a broader perspective, even that experience can help in someone’s growth. No one can compare to OSHO’s broad, often inconsistent, directives over time–which today, when someone really is looking to put OSHO into a dogmatic BOX, there are always very clear holes that OSHO left behind so that people can question their motives.
Well, yes, Amrito, after all, this life is nothing but a school, so whatever happens someone somewhere – or many – will learn from it, whoever makes any decision.
Yet whatever the valuable lessons learned from it, unfortunately Osho himself bears a certain responsibility for the wreck that Rajneeshpuram became, which has arguably hampered his work in the West for the last three decades, despite the attempts of some to distort this self-evident truth by blaming only the US government for the fiasco.
That ranks amongst the biggest loads of unenlightened codswallop that’s ever been published here, Ekantam.
But at least it confirms the sort of mentality you operate with: that of a fundamentalist devotee with little or no powers of discrimination.
You choose to comfortably rest in the delusion and illusion of the omniscience and infallibility of the so-called (in the cases you cite) ‘enlightened’. Even Osho – head and shoulders above the others you list – committed blatant errors of judgment, eg appointing Sheela, the catalyst for the crimes and ultimate failure of Rajneeshpuram, which has arguably handicapped his work in the West for nearly three decades.
And if Sw R is ‘enlightened’, then my name’s Mehsut Ozil. As for Arun – decent enough seeming guy, but not someone I’d travel half the world to meet. Priests, both of them, not masters.
Ekantam, I hope that one day you wake up and realise you’re a fool to believe this nonsense.
Dividing the world of human beings into those who are said to be enlightened and those who are not is just a mug’s game. The fact is we are ALL human beings, and the beauty of that is we ALL make mistakes….
what you are advocating is the same as the medieval Popes – infallability – and look how dangerous that has turned out to be.
Superb observation Parmartha. If I predict it, a pope-like figure is very well being manufactured in some places around the world, where instead of people listening to ROOT (OSHO), they listen to the messengers’ interpretation–which is very idiotic, given OSHO is clearly recorded word for word. But guilt and fear of being “ex-communicated” from a specific group means many have lost their individuality.
Have always been people who are here for Osho, or Bhagwan, while others get involved to follow sannyassins.
That was true in Poona 1 as well.
Perhaps Ekantam’s exclamation marks should be termed ‘ex-communication marks’?!
Put it simple dudes….
the new generation didn’t get to see what osho had done in his life…..i wonder you intellectuals got any time to see Osho’s good old videos or not, if not then listen….before every discourse this ‘gauchamis’ prayer was sung. Now the new people who are coming in touch with OSHO’s meditation world…this prayer has become boon in their spiritual progression….that is what going on in Tapoban.
Parmartha- funny Osho says many things – AFTER the fact- too bad he didn’t say he hated “isms” when Sheela darling started on her religious endeavors.. whats the use of saying that after the house is burned to the ground? Was he just trying to deflect any criticisms that he thought would be forthcoming?
October 4, 1985 till Januray 19, 1990 much much much has happened.
Just because few people were not there does not mean all the time it was Colgate tooth paste advertisement on the big screen!
Cannot understand this comment from you at all SP, what is the moderator doing!!
sounds like shantypants has got the colgate ring of confidence.
trouble is – the ring in question is at the bottom end rather than the top end of his body……
Shantam likes commercial images to illustrate his spiritual comments.
Perhaps by his toothpaste tv ad reference he means to emphasise something along the lines of that Poona period being ‘really real’ rather than a figment of some pr person’s imagination?
But why, I wonder, does he feel a need to stress this so much? Is it because he needs to reassure himself as at this distance it feels increasingly like a dream (and his present life, in comparison, rather like some sort of nightmare)?
Lokesh kind are not willing to go beyond Pune one, Parmartha kind are not willing to go beyond Rajneeshpuram; my stress is that any one who is interested in Osho´s work should look at the whole picture.
what about mark five – that is now Shantam… a very interesting time really!
Parmartha,
when Rajneesh Bible was spoken, was Osho reading the notes prepared by Sheela?
Dont understand your question, maybe a moderator can help?!
(ED: I GUESS SHANTAM IS SAYING OSHO WROTE THE RAJNEESH BIBLE. PERHAPS HE’LL ENLIGHTEN US?)
If Gacchami was Sheela´s idea, then who gave the idea of raising the arms and saying OSHO OSHO OSHO?
Well clearly the movement is in a mess (like predicted by osho in 70s) and someone like me who was not part to any of these games will never know what was going on and what Osho actually wanted.
Arun teaches gachami etc. Pune still pushes for robes, and many still give mala (well Pune continued initiation for a long time after Osho left his body) and most of sannyas news writers either do not care or are BEYOND all religious attributes cause they KNOW it all.
I remember quite a few years back I was asking Narendra sw (actually a cousin of Osho who grew up with him and was VERY active in Osho’s scene) about the mala and the robe and the fact that Osho said to drop it (and actually the next morning he gave a very painful discourse of how people dropped malas and robes and it hurt him) …. Narendra got so angry/intense with me and basically like Arun said this was never the intention of Osho. Him and Mukti wear mala and the most beautiful Osho sannyasins I have ever met. In fact I wear it and love it – it reminds me of meditation and awareness. Anything is welcome that can help to wake up.
To me all of this attributes are trivial at the end of the day. Who cares who wears what? Honestly! This is so childish and quite funny when coming from those who HAD to wear orange to work and to disco We need to make peace in sannyas movement and only then we can EVER have any peaceful influence on others and this planet altogether.
Surely the master plan was to make this planet a little bit more peaceful, a little more meditative, friendly and loving before we go to another shore?
And I totally disagree with London sannyas scene being well. It is so asleep and all sannyains rushed (like rats after the wrecked ship drowned) to Moojies, Mammajis, and other time wasters (oops sorry Satsang teaches who cannot even stand next to Osho)…
Chetna, what to say about a post that on the one hand calls for unity, friendship, peace, love, then later rubbishes those (“rats”, you likened them to!) who went to other teachers?
Do as I say, not what I do – is that your credo for transformation?!
Chetna, it is a little difficult for someone like me as I was actually present in the discourses/press conferences/etc at that time when Osho gave these clear instructions about dropping gauchamis orange and the mala, so perhaps you can have some empathy for me!
If you or anyone else want to do gachamis, or wear malas, or orange, I have no problem with it, as long as you dont inflict it on others who may have heard the master enunciate the opposite.
As I said in other places, many things are projection. You see a “mess”, I see a real neo sannyas. You see organisation as a key, I am more esoteric, chance meetings, synchronicities, they are what can change one’s life, and maybe even the world. And have you thought at all why “organising” is so difficult for you? Could it not be all those malas, gauchamis, and orange that put people off?
Not sure how you have understood my post, SD, but what I meant was that many people who are seeking have gone to other teachers (fine by me) but often because there is no juice/live in Osho movement. There is nowhere to go really in London. They ran away (rats is not a pretty word but best describes escape) because so much mess also happened. Osho has so much to offer that personally I do not think there is any need to go anywhere but if there is no centre no commune, what else to do? Look for another teacher, place…many people moved on and it is a shame…
Chetna like a teen age sannyasin is raising valid questions. Senior ones are trying to cover the naked king with the sheet of newspapers.
Fact is dry tomatoes have more juice than the so called Sannyas movement, atleast in the west.
For example, just now I wanted to type in Google, sannyas movement in the …..and automatic search did not suggested the word West but the past.
If my memory is right, during one of these days 29 years ago, Rajneeshpuram was falling apart like a Logo” castle and master was captured by the US marshals.
What we as Osho people have learnt or not learnt from the history of our past is a matter of debate.
Yesterday, there was some quotation in facebook, the meaning was something like, ” Mistakes can be valuable lessons but we spend our time in denial.”
The difference between fools and wise men Shants is that wise men learn from their mistakes and dont make them twice, whilst fools go on making them and rationalising them.
Some like Sir Karl Popper have even said that the “more” mistakes you make the better. In his case he was talking about how science makes advances, but this could be applied to personal growth also.
If that is so Parmartha, then this world is running out of wise people. It seems that especially authorities are unwilling to learn from faults.
Seemingly, for Popper science is accidental, a curiosity perhaps, just as life is for him. We live in an materialistic world. In such world the cunning uses the mistakes of the wise for his profit.
Dont understand your reply, Preetam – maybe a moderator could help?!
I knew Popper personally, and he certainly did not think that science was accidental, but a very intentional activity.
(MOD: DON’T REALLY KNOW EITHER, BUT PERHAPS PREETAM IS SAYING ‘THE BLIND ARE LEADING THE BLIND’ IN OUR WORLD, WHATEVER INTELLECTUAL HEIGHTS THEY MIGHT HAVE REACHED. PLEASE EXPLAIN, PREETAM!).
I find it terrifying if science learns mainly through mistakes. We have lots of science institutes. Are they really research for humans welfare? Or stand behind interests and try to control the whole scene? It’s created by rational materialistic people. Why this world becomes crueler with all rationality and high developed science?
Understanding comes from the heart and not from mistakes. Mistakes perhaps make us sorry and next times we will act with deeper understanding.
To me it is accidental if science tries as long till something fits. A bit terrifying with Institutes like Travistock or CERN and medical – vaccinate researches, what often is disputable?
Maybe the words “Trial and Error”, rather than mistakes, especially in regard to science, etc , might help you Preetam. It’s how we got out of the jungle… and climbed up the evolutionary tree literally!
You know what they call it in schools these days?
Trial and improvement….
Parmartha, this is what the sannyas movement has done since the time first crisis hit under the belt.
Blaming only Sheela for all the mess of RPuram is one such denial, and because nothing has been learnt from the concentration of decision making powers in the mind of some chosen few, end of the final phase of Osho´work has also turned into a game played in the World of Ants.
“Chetna, it is a little difficult for someone like me as I was actually present in the discourses/press conferences/etc at that time when Osho gave these clear instructions about dropping gauchamis orange and the mala, so perhaps you can have some empathy for me!”
Of course I do and I heard the exactly same discourse. But will you have empathy for me when very devoted and dedicated sannyasins like Narendra and Arun say the opposite? Hence a mess…In fact Osho’s discourse says the opposite. I can send you the link.
“And have you thought at all why “organising” is so difficult for you?”
Not sure what you refer to but organising on top of a full-time job in an investment bank is not a joke as I do it at my free time only. Organising Sw Arun’s camp is a challenge, that’s true, but every time we do it people thoroughly enjoy.
The real challenge is that there is no real home for Osho in London and that there are only few old sannyasins that really support (majority are like you I guess). You might be surprised every month we have so many new people coming who have been looking for Osho /people and cannot find anything. Books choice is tiny in the UK (compare it to Italy or India). So not sure why you are against it, many people ask us about the centre…
If I could, I would just go to the centre and pay for it with a peace of mind without any organising. I am afraid “esoteric, chance meetings, synchronicities” are not enough for me. I need regular meditation, I love it in fact and Osho techniques are best when done in a group (well, you know it all).
Also on the same topic, me and you have common friends who do not do mala or gachami and they have the same struggle with numbers… you tell me what the problem is?
Thanks Chetna for the reply. I am not sure what Arun and Narendra quote, yes I would be interested for the reference.
I know at the time, as I had devotedly been wearing orange and mala for over 10 years, and doing gauchamis for three, that it was a shock, but understood also what Osho was saying made sense. Like “now you can go underground” – like a different phase of “sannyas” kicking in.
I have done my bits of “organising” in the past, for example between 94 and 97 I ran Osho meditations in London, and on a weekly basis. There were even sometimes over twenty people to dynamic on a Saturday morning at 7.30am, but I certainly did not do a mala and robes trip – so I am not a stranger to this debate.
People still contact me sometimes about “where they can find Osho” and of course I “read” their situation as far as possible. Sometimes people have gone to Pune through me, sometimes Arun, sometimes Nityananda, sometimes Paca Mama..sometimes Osho Leela… … . dont feel I am against you, it is just I am a little different. Good luck with your work.
I bow down at swami arun’s feet for his continuous efforts to expand osho ‘s work round the globe.
i also bow down…..
but not behind the cowsheds or in the bog…..
swami ram-ass bapu and a few of his hard-core neo-hindu mates are probably hanging out (so to speak) in there,by the sound of it.
mind your backs!
yahoo!
hari om!
give him a medal instead- or salute- but bowing down- never!!!
You are perfectly correct K Satyarthi.
I bow respectfully at your feet.
Intellectuals like honeysucklerose making statements like
“One person in an s and m outfit, another with feathers inn his hair with whipped cream dripping off his beard waiting to muff dive down into the wheat field…”
Certainly,he must have been to Oxford, Harvard and the Sorbonne to produce that kind of writing,but nothing beats the bang of cold marble to the forehead as one sings Gaucchamis and pray to god for mercy.
Could that intellectual fool with whipped cream on his beard manage it?
Jai Jai .Hari Om!
Yogi- you need a bit of fresh air- and a blow job from your lover…. then you can chant all you want.
Epilogue-
Most of the time flowering of success depends upon the right time with right people in right environment.
Other than passionate desire to work for Osho, one of the main ingredient of Arun is that he is from Nepal. Country definitely need new role models, it is like China 2500 years ago; centuries after Buddha, people accepted the imaginary as real.
West is too tough and fastest moving market. Just imagine, Amrito and Shunyo go around the UK with the batch, ” We got transmitted from Living Buddha´s energy. We are transformed.”
Just imagine, how many people will shrug their shoulders, how many will join and how many will ask, ” What happened with Nirwano, our cute British Girl?