Dont Kill Him
Sheela’s recent Book publicity can be viewed below and at various other places.
Sannyasnews looks forward to some virulent debate once some contributors have read it.
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interesting title for her book… is she trying to show the world that she was really looking out for the old man’s well being? being a bit defensive for all the trash talk thrown at her over the years for her scheming, lying, cheating, stealing, and all of her other alleged illegal, hateful, two faced backstabbing, drug induced actions she supposedly committed against sannyasins and non- sannyasins during her reign at the ranch, with a little help from her like minded cohorts. I think this book may be an attempt to again justify her actions and/or make excuses or simply deny responsibility and blame the old man and others for all of problems and illegality that went on there. i’ll save my money and wait until it’s posted for free on the net somewhere.. Sheela’s not entitled to collect dog shit as payment for her book. in my humble opinion.
Great leaders have one quality in common; they are guiltless and remorseless.
If we add a bit of meditativeness and sprinkle it with Osho style words, it creates one of the refinest combination of cool cool Chutzuph.
Ms. Sheela Birnsteil is no exception.
Is it a different book from the one talked about here? It sounds the same to me.
Satish offers an English Synposis of Sheela’s book, and his Reflections
http://www.sannyasnews.org/sannyasnews/Articles/Satish2.html
In response to Shantam and Bodhi Vartan : I heard even Al Capone a dreaded gangster from Chicago USA who made a history in crimes also argued that he is a good person looking from his own eyes…
You forgot Mein….er…ehm…I forgot.
Same. The difference is that there has been quite a massive publicity drive with this book in the past weeks, with Sheela even emailing directly people like our very own Shantam with her publicity, etc to try and get people to buy it, etc.
I ‘d rather buy read a Mahesh Bhat book !
too true…
and how about “pinoccio”, “billy liar”
or anything by walter mitty ?
actually i injoy tintin !
me too.
“tintin in tibet” gets into my “books i have loved”,for sure.
blistering bodhisattvas..
…it`s captain haddock…
“Charlie Chan goes to Washington” is one of my favs
Belief ,as the construct that it is, prevents understanding through knowing and investigation. Any belief then is possible, but not sustainable. Belief therefore is a wish masquerading as examination.
In the attempt at achieving an independent psychological state of perception itself, the same error or wilful act of self regulating freedom from self without self limiting construct is attempted. Attempts at shedding the obstacle of thought itself remain just that.
We then deliver ourselves into the authority of those who appear to live what we yearn for and by our own definition fail to submit to in ourselves , in its totality. Can that high wire act of balancing what isn’t in us, with what apparently is in someone else ever be satisfying ? Or do we feel fragile in our ambiguity. And in that, is there the elements of incoherence, because of the difficulty of validating shadows of what we wish to be real, but aren’t.
Just a thought.
the attempt at a self regulating freedom FROM self without perpetuating any of the previous self limiting construct is attempted. As with belief ..we attempt to create what we think something would look and feel like if we were free… Attempting no mind no self remains …attempt.
Then the implicit frustration of the attempts at which, lead us into redemptive ambition and acquiescence via another’s redeemed reality or perhaps worse, unborrowable claim.
….i might give up trying to explain this in words and whistle the tune that goes with the words instead….
a bizarre one at that.
It takes all sorts …
Basking in the glow of hating colleagues
Marc Abrahams
The Guardian, Tuesday 8 July 2008
I have just read what may be the most satisfying, most incisive academic study of the past century. It’s called You Bastard: A Narrative Exploration of the Experience of Indignation Within Organisations. Professor David Sims, who published it in the journal Organisation Studies, is head of the faculty of management at Cass Business School in London.
“Our patience with forming interpretations and reinterpretations of others’ behaviour is not unlimited,” writes Sims. “The time comes when we lose interest in trying to understand, and conclude that another person is behaving in a way that is simply unacceptable.
The internal discourse changes from one in which the other is ‘construed as behaving strangely’ or as ‘seeing the world differently’ or even as mistaken; the discourse becomes one in which they are ‘wrong’, ‘wicked’, ‘simply a bastard’ and should be treated as such.”
From his vast experience working in and with businesses and universities, Sims selected three cases in which people came to define a colleague – generally a senior manager – as a bastard.
“No special efforts are required to collect such narratives,” remarks Sims, “many organisational members are marinated in them. The narratives raise a wide range of the issues involved in considering the experience of indignation in organisations. However, the narratives make no attempt to cover the complete range of those who might be designated ‘bastards’.”
First comes Mark, the Clever Bastard. “Because everyone knew that he was clever, they were not too surprised that they could not always understand him.” A fellow manager said of this bastard that: “We all thought that everyone else understood, and if not that, at least Mark knew how it was going to work. But he didn’t.”
Next up, Geoff, the Bastard Ex-machina. One of Geoff’s fellow managers lamented: “The trouble is that, when the heat is on and you need support, Geoff will never be there. You’ll get the sympathetic look, perhaps the comment that he has always found a particular investment rule very tough, and you think: ‘You bastard, you wrote that rule, you’re the boss here, you could have helped and you didn’t.’”
Finally, there is Alan, the Devious Bastard, whose tale is too subtly complex to relate here in just a sentence or two. This is not just about bastards. Sims is equally fascinated by the people who ultimately decided that the Marks and Geoffs and Alans are scum.
Most still felt angry at the person’s behaviour, “but they were even more angry because they could not make sense of that behaviour without thinking of the person as a bastard, and this felt like failure to them”.
But beneath that frustration, Sims cautions, there’s often something akin to pleasure: “There is a warm glow to be had in knowing that someone can be looked down on as a bastard.”
· Marc Abrahams is editor of the bimonthly Annals of Improbable Research and organiser of the Ig Nobel prize
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2008/jul/08/improbableresearch.research
Actually I think some people are evil and then it is hard for the average person to understand them. I cannot understand Hitler for example. Lots of business leaders are psychopaths…. see http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1222162–psychopathy-and-the-ceo-top-executives-have-four-times-the-incidence-of-psychopathy-as-the-rest-of-us
Have you personally met anyone you would call evil?
I’ve met so many people, who, if they weren’t so small minded, their lack of conscience would make them a danger to anyone and everyone.
Lot of abusers around who see themselves as victims when challenged.
Arpana asks, ‘Have you personally met anyone you would call evil?’
I’ve met some people that would be easy to label evil. The first one that comes to mind is a chap who murdered nine people. Juicy slices of his last seven victims ended up in a frying pan and when they were well done he ate them. I can remember asking him something and he said, ‘Listen, let me assure you, when you’re dead you’re dead.’ He was an extremely dangerous person. ‘Evil’ would not be a word that summed him up very well. ‘Human cancer’, might be closer to the mark. One things for sure, he was damned scary to be around.
maybe he suffered from some sort of brain disease- autopsies conducted on many a mass murderer have shown that in most cases there is a biological cause for their “Evil”(cancer, other malignancies, infections)- so are they then truly “evil” if they are acting out of mother natures wishes?
we call them evil based on past superstitions and without knowing all the facts.. here in the states this past year, we’ve had several serial killers.. just the other day a pre-trial hearing was conducted in Colorado where a mass shooting occurred in a movie theater, and the guy who did it gave up without a fight, read the stories- “Aurora Colorado Theater Shootings”. also in Newton , Connecticut where a guy killed 27 people, 20 of which were 1st graders in a school.. both of these guys seemed to have been suffering from sort of brain disease, yet some victims families consider those two to be “evil”.. the brain is an organ which also suffers from biological ills- Alzheimers for example- we can forgive an elderly person for bizarre behavior, but other brain diseases, most people are still stuck living with their superstitious religious mentality, maybe they are also suffering from some sort mental illness- are they also- “evil” for their actions?
Or, it might be the case that the biological disease is caused by the ‘evil’, ie by the ‘unnatural’, negatively emotionalised dis-eased self of the mass murderer.
it depends what the truth behind this mad game is all about.. i gave two examples of the buddhists traditions.. maybe this life is played by some other type(s) of rules… it is possible that evil causes the biological disease and it’s a shame that we are all kept in the dark of what the “real” game is all about.. it would save us from a lot of needless suffering, but if it is played out by the “Tibetan” rules, then evil entities are looking for a biologically matching physical body… as in a psychotic/schizophrenia/bi-polar brain… since those mental illnesses are primarily caused by genetic factors.. then again what explains the Ancient Roman madmen.. it is said(with written records as proof) that the ancient Romans drank their wine out of lead chalices.. the acidity of the wine leeched out lead into the wine which they consumed and helped to cause brain damage which in turn… caused many of them to go psycho… history has proved the Romans to be pretty psychotic in their behavior.(and past and present day historians look at the Roman Empire with admiration, how ironic.)
Arpana says:
“Have you personally met anyone you would call evil?”
When I was young I imbibed Rousseau’s idea that most people are basically good. This was a common idea floating around in the 60s. I have changed my mind and now I think the word evil can be applied to plenty of people : I would include my abusive father, several violent school teachers I had, the leaders of the British Conservative party, recent US presidents.
that’s because it was “hip” and “cool” and was the “in thing” to believe such nonsense… shows you how much of a herd mentality we humans possess. and for us to look for and follow gurus is just plain stupid.
you also forgot to mention, Rupert Murdoch and his goons at the “world” newspaper. Along with his entire organization and of course former P.M. Tony Blair.. brown noser of the decade in Britain. (he was a labour P.M. wasn’t he?) many in the Scotland Yard police force who help with the phone hacking along with other news reporters such as Pierce Morgan, who we here in the states have to suffer every week night, with his incoherent babbling. you guys don’t have a gun problem there, but sure do have a violence problem, so i suppose getting a shiv stuck in one’s back is better than having a cap put in one’s head…. any more “evil” candidates?
if you go by the Tibetan rule of reincarnation.. hitler chose his incarnation as a lowly Austrian painter-turned- dictator.. he must have had lots of beastly animal like qualities in his past incarnation and was able to incarnated as a human, that had a genetic predisposition was towards psychosis/schizophrenia… which lead to…. tricky, this tibetan buddhist stuff.. now if you hold to the southern buddhist traditions, that everything is by cosmic chance or a crap shoot.. we only have the Cosmos to blame for the likes of a Hitler, Genghis Khan, Sheela(small potatoes in the scheme of things)etc. and that everyone is not guilty of any crime for no crime or good/evil exists since the Cosmos dictates and controls all actions by every living thing and all occurrences- even when a giant meteor strikes the earth and wipes out most life forms…. get the drift?
down the ages, no one has successfully “solved the problem of evil”.
it would be nice to think that the raggle-taggle magi and DIY philosophers of sannyasnews could finally pull it off…
but i`m not holding my breath….
give it time.. “the resort” in Pune is supposedly creating a new 6 month intensive training course called..”How to recognize and transform evil people into loving, meditative herpes spreading devotees”. all for the low price 5,000 Euros…. money back guaranteed, (just have to return the knife that was removed from your back) for a full refund.
i only hold my breath when i’m orally pleasing my girlfriend…
Gandhooji says that the concept of reincarnation is a concept for the ignorant. I know what he means.
gandhooji-goo-goo, chain smokes cancer sticks.. if that’s being ignorant, i don’t know what else is…. he probably thinks cigarettes are a health addition to one’s diet… he sounds like a fool from the 1940′s, ignorant people back then also smoked cigarettes cause they were told it was healthy for them to do so, and also it was the “in” thing to do. i don’t pay much attention to retards like Gandji-goo- goo -garbage brain.
babasv, I refer you to my post of 8.10pm, in response to egg-on-his-face…
i found it, but i think you’re the one with egg on his face… i liked frank’s comment though.
So you most brazenly choose to deride the One who has come to help us in these Dark Days, babasv? For someone so acutely aware of personal and planetary crisis, you are strangely unaware of true Spirit, it would seem…
Still, I suppose you must be simply incapable of seeing beyond your disillusionment. I’ll ask Ghandoo-ji to send His help tp you when I see him. It won’t be long coming, I’ll be over there in a couple of weeks.
He smokes cigarettes as an aid to breath awareness.
gandoo likes a good puff
so he always has a few fags around the ashram..
Yes, I’ve heard about that from a friend who’s recently been with Him, Lokesh. My feeling is He’s doing this out of compassion, giving a practical demonstration of how to use a so-called ‘bad habit’ for a beneficial psycho-physical purpose.
Smoking won’t harm Him, of course, and surely the idea must be that once the smoking disciples truly get the hang of breath awareness they’ll tend to drop smoking fairly rapidly?
Heart-warming stuff indeed.
satyadeva: you’ve gone loco… your guru, the indestructible, the omnipotent, the superhuman with mystical powers, he can walk on water(and never drown) smoke fags by the truck load and never get cancer or emphysema.. leap tall buildings in a single bound.. look up in the sky, it’s a bird it’s a plane, its.. Gandja-goo-goo.. singing “You’re too shy shy”.
yeah sure, smoke cancer sticks just to get breath awareness- try vipassana instead… what the fu…? you gullible buffoon. while in india- stay there!!!do the rest of the world a favor.. gotta keep those insane people locked up somewhere- might as well be india.
common sense doesn’t enter a mind such as Satyadeva’s. superstitions and stupidity rule the day.
Poor Baba, he is blind to the fact that evrything Gandhooji does is a device for our awakening. His compassion is infinie as is his patience.
Beautifully put, Lokesh-ji, simply beautiful. See you over there soon, ok?
lots of bastards working there.. anybody of “legitimate” birth?
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Satish’s review of sheela’s books (and it seems to be the same that’s SN is harping about) is pretty spot on…. i’m reminded of the old saying that a chronic bullshitter eventually gets tripped up by their own bullshit. Sheela seems to fit that bill to the tee. She’s also a chronic, “please feel sorry for me” person… She did no wrong, everyone else is to blame… See my last comment to Lokesh in the “It began at the Gateless Gate” column… she’s so much like most sannyasins from back then to today… “everyone else is to blame: we can do no wrong: everyone else makes mistakes, not us; Only we know how to live life.” thanks Sheela for putting the spotlight back on the delusional sannyasin mind.
To be honest, Sheela’s book will be an interesting read in the same way her star role in the docu, ‘Bhagwan his secretary and his bodyguard’, was. When it comes to making money there are no flies on Sheela. When it comes to warped personalities she pretty much takes the cake. It is a bit hard to stomach at times, but she can be a very entertaining nutcase.
Lokesh
‘ to be honest ‘ and ‘Sheela’s book’ are mutually excluding ingredients in the same sentence according to my old well thumbed recipe book for cooking things up with Sheela
called (…wait for it)
Knowing your Sage and Aumnions
Brings tears to me oyes.
Frank are you evil.. is that what’s troubling you…? Are you in Addams family 3 ?
Do you suffer from mirthless cackling laughter ? Do you have a heavy south bronx accent ? Do you have an ejecting stiff right arm. Are you planning a launch of a military satellite disguised as a weather ballon. Do you sometimes give your parking ticket to incoming cars at the car park ? Frank do you feel more alive in thunderstorms, with gothic title sequences ?
I was on lake Geneva the other day and I thought of how Mary Shelley was inspired by the grandeur and power of the mountainous location…
she couldn’t get over the Alps….(nearly went home with the unused crampons…)
anyway, marvellous she said.. awesome….
…she then read about Christian Gottlieb Kratzenstein in his electric lab.. and well the rest is herstory….
Apparently Kratzenstein was so infatuated by her that he famously said, whilst holding her in a tight amorous embrace,
‘he’d do anything to have her…. he’d even pay….’
..
Evil ? no, just a very naughty boy….
since you were in Switzerland , why didn’t you stop by Sheela’s old aged home and ask her that question? otherwise your trip to the swiss cheese land was a waste.
the Darwin awards celebrating the GenePool..and all who swim in her….
Not evil just dumb…..people who think they can reap any benefit by shortcutting their way to privilege to others disadvantage
http://www.darwinawards.com/old/index200705.html
A pair of Spanish metal thieves trespassed into a building site in the village of Torrejón de Ardoz (near Madrid) and decided to steal the steel cables of the elevator being used to lift building materials.
Unfortunately, at that point the elevator itself was at a height equivalent to a 4th floor (roughly 25 feet, 8 meters). The thieves climbed on the cage of the elevator and, standing there, cut through the cables that kept the elevator in place.
They plummeted down. One of the thieves (25 years of age) was killed upon impact, and his companion was heavily wounded and ended up in hospital with serious damage to his abdomen.
Link to the Spanish newspaper “ABC” with the news, and a photo of the building site where the incident took place:
http://www.abc.es/20121110/local-madrid/abci-muere-caer-desde-cuarto-201211101744.html
Superficially this incident is similar to a Darwin Award from 2008 wherein a thief in the Czech Republic tried to steal elevator cables, but in his case the elevator cage was in the ground floor and what happened was that the counterweight, no longer secured, fell down and crushed him. Link to the story in the Darwin Awards site:
http://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-08.html
for every one thief who gets “caught, 1,000 get away. what you say is meaningless, and inconsequential.
re.the ideas of:
seeing people as basically good
choosing your birth
creating your own reality.
i think that its possible to look at these ideas from at least two ways:
firstly, as an attempted objective observation of facts.
or,secondly as an “as if” exercise carried out as an experiment to see where it gets you.
for example,if you say that people are basically good as a philosophical argument,then you will have to explain the actions of hitler,pol pot etc… you can get pretty bogged down!
on the other way,you can have a bash at treating people you meet as basically good, and see what effect it has on your life.
likewise,with”you create your own reality”.
as a philosophical observation,someone will always counter you with:”what about those kids starving to death in somalia,did they create their own reality?”
and you`re scuppered.
these ideas are probably about getting yourself into a different frame of thinking and seeing.
so,for example, when something difficult happens,you can consider,rather than saying “oh,so and so did that shit to me,she is evil” you try and see “did i create that thing in some way?”
actually its a way of getting more power over the situation,rather than being a victim.
and ok,if it doeant work,you can always say.
“its difficult,he was a total bastard,maybe he was evil,i dunno”
and its a personal thing.
you try the ideas out for size.
its not for some newage philosopher or priest to walk past you when you`re lying on the roadside after being beaten up by hell`s angels,or you`ve been raped, and saying,knowingly:”mmm.you see,you create your own reality,you clearly chose to be born as a victim and a loser in this life”
like the guy shantam mentioned : shree ram it arup your ass baba or whatever he was called, who proclaimed that the girl who was raped and killed in delhi was as much to blame as the perpetrators.
ideas are s(words) and always two-edged.
and there is always a chance of abusing the best ideas,not to mention the worst.
Create your own reality…bit of a koan. Makes me think of all those poor Syrian refugees. Did they create their own reality? I don’t think so. Some rotten bastard did. On that level creating your own reality is a bullshit concept for smug shits.
you over simplify it lokesh.. it a collection of people living their own reality that created that mess.. a great collective of idiot dreamers and superstitious buffoons living out their reality that has nothing to do with reality that exists..a world wide problem that humans don’t want to accept – hence, denial…. “Day dream Believers”.
What about the children?….nightmare believers?
If someone does evil then the old tried and tested method is to have them apologise whilst applying to enter a religious establishment and converting..it works every time..
alternatively they can be given community service like reading the unwanted entries on a cyber blog and sweeping them away into the dustbins seven days a week….its a punishment which if taken appropriately causes them to rehabilitate into the community very easily without re-offending. I wonder why?..still the main thing is that it works…
Next week how to mend a puncture in a polish gas bag.
The Blue Peter Guide to Curing Evil
Hello Boys and Girls well gosh yes already into the New Year and we have lots of fun ideas to stop Evil .
First off we have a suggestion from a regular viewer a young lad by the name of George Bush from Texas.. He writes in with the suggestion of a theme park devoted to fighting the axis of evil, located somewhere in the Nevada Desert where everyone can shoot their mouth off instead of each other. Grrreat.
Then this great suggestion from E. Knievel who sends in a lovely photo of his bicycle and a pile of stacked cardboard boxes. But unfortunately he’s forgotten to write in with an explanation or why.
Next we have a young group of what appears to be nice school children who write in with their teacher…Dear Blue Peter , thank you for your visit last week with an old pop presenter.
Strangely the letter ends there.
…..oh well…
Next a group of children from Russia has written in saying that , and don’t they look sweet, anyway, they’ve written in saying they all want to become venture capitalists drilling for oil in the Arctic as it melts, although they don’t think this will stop sin , but enable them to buy football clubs ..which is greeaaat, yeah.
Next we have a young lad from the Brixton Peace and Burgers foundation, the signature is a bit scribbled looks like M.G, saying he wants to develop a network of comfy chairs and snack shops for helping people to sit at home feeling good about themselves and not going out to cause trouble, which would put an end to rioting in socially deprived areas, failing which they can send out for a nice £9.99 bucket of lard to help stop people being famished whilst watching the telly. Waaagwaaann maaan? Greeeatt !
..anyway greeat .. keep sending in your suggestions kids..
We have one from someone who says there’s a parking lot near his home where youths congregate and cause trouble ..perhaps they could use it to build an experimental socially unifying meditation centre for looking within ..and apologising……
Well yes that is a greeatt idea…
and that really is all we have time for , but keep those suggestions rolling in…..
I looked on Amazonian.com and could not find this Blue Peter guide. Was it written by an Eskimo taking a piss in a blizzard or is that just an ugly rumour? While we are at it, is Amazonian.com called that because of all the trees that were chopped down to make books like ‘Don’t Kill It’. Whatever happened to tree hugging?
for the most part, sannyasins were never into being “green”, with some exceptions. tree hugging wasn’t the “in” thing with sannyasins, people hugging/fucking was the rage at that time. When things moved out of the U.S. and the ranch, the German nut jobs pretty much had the run of the company, and the “green” movement took hold in sannyas land. Osho picked up on that and started giving discourses about environmentalism and saving the earth and so forth. But not even 5 years before, he was raving about capitalism and consumerism. I wonder if Rolls Royce had a battery operated or hybrid model car back then, would osho have driven one? going with the flow- even if it’s made up mostly of sewage.
Blue Peter is the correct common name for it.
Testicicles Frigidorum Stalactitus Aurora Borealis Tinkle Winkle is the medical name.
It refers to the twinkling northern lights that bounce off the chilled Blue Peter during night time disturbances, and literally make frozen wind chimes for the local folkloristic Lapp Dancing songsters. I have similar wind chimes here at 4 and half thousand feet in the frozen Alps.
Tree Hugging followed by Tree Talking ,Tree Sharing Tree Relating, etc are all part of Arun’s Chat of Osho Tales…
…towards the last 20 minutes of this vid.
starts a bit weirdly though….not exactly for the slightly squeemish
see here….
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from 7.35 minute onwards actually its about Osho’s tree loving
By Jeevan Ekin
Sheelum Retardetum is a newly discovered species looking like Human beings inhabiting diverse regions of the time and place near enlightened masters only.
Sheelum Retardetum species is profoundly mentally retarded and impotent only proliferating at regular intervals especially when an enlightened master makes an appearance.
Sheelum Retardetum is a peculiar species characterized by having no intelligence, wisdom, wit, sapience, discriminative intelligence and sensibility with a well developed tendency to betray the master mainly plotting a mass murder having perfidy, treachery and treason
Sheelum Retardetum has no conscience to repent and redress the crime committed but to keep on justifying the bad karmas till death.
Sheelum Retardetum is uniquely adept at utilizing systems of symbolic communication such as language for self-expression to lure the likeminded impotent pimps and whores.
Sheelum Retardetum was Ghandoo’s choice of secretary. A device and a half or what?
Pull the other one Ghandoo, it’s got bells on it.
Ting-a ling.