Amrit Sadhana who is in the management team of Osho International Meditation Resort, Pune wrote this short article below in the Deccan Herald last week about Dynamic Meditation… Well, dynamic…. questions that might arise for readers, how devrivative was it? how it changed and changes people’s lives, is it really a “meditation”?is it valid to say that by courting madness consciously one finally throws it off? and many more. How do SN readers respond…
Recently a journalist friend phoned me and said, “I have been to this ashram and that ashram, read spiritual books but I didn’t find any peace anywhere. Can I come and do some Osho meditation?”
“By all means!” I said, “but be prepared for a blast because Osho meditation is a dynamite, it is going to blast your emotional world and thinking patterns.”
The guy was not the one to be put off by small threats, he took the challenge and jumped into the cyclone of Osho Dynamic Meditation. After that he never talked about lack of peace or a disturbed mind. So much garbage was thrown out at one go that he became a fan of active meditations.
The entire concept of meditation has changed in modern times. The old methods are not effective. Our life is dominated by chemicals. The drugs we take for small discomforts like cold or a headache are affecting the brain cells and the guts. Experts say that the entire digestive system is closely attuned to a person’s emotions and state of mind.
Fat soluble drugs penetrate the gut wall and can injure the natural balance of the digestive system. There was an article published in the Scientific American, which says that there is a “second brain” in our guts and a big part of our emotions are probably influenced by the nerves in our gut.
Normally what do we do with these emotions? Push them inside. Our social system doesn’t allow us to express them. So there is huge emotional and intellectual debris in the unconscious. Unless we throw it out and clean the warehouse, no one can hope for a healthy and sane life.
The dynamic meditation meets this requirement. It acknowledges the connection of the body and emotions. It starts with breathing fast, deep and chaotic like crazy which is a great tool to unplug the emotions. Breathing leads to a deluge of catharsis, you can scream and cry to your heart’s content, which cleanses the guts and purges the physical system. You feel so fresh and clean after this purging, like the earth that has been washed by strong showers.
This meditation doesn’t stop at that. It goes further: to the being, the centre of our life and unleashes energy dormant in there. The amount of energy every human being has in store is unbelievable. Once you get hold of it, you will be ecstatic.
Meditation has become so essential in every walk of life that the Daily Telegraph has given a piece of friendly advice to stars walking on the red carpet in Cannes this year: “Do some meditation just before you get out there: you can’t change what you look like, so just go with it.”
Amrit Sadhana
When Osho was Bhagwan, dynamic was big news. I did this meditation for many years off and on, without at all realising it was a blend of techniques that Osho had built from other traditions. The second stage for example being a Reichian exercise, the third apparently a Sufi one, and the fourth a Gurdjieff one.
When I came to lead this meditation in the nineties in London I realised there was a sense in which it was not a meditation, but a preparation for meditation, and should have contained a sixth stage. I say this because invariably after a good dynamic many participants just lay there in corpse posture or similar for quite some time in the tranquillity that can arise after such a work out… i had sometimes been a participant in groups, etc where we were hurried out after the dance stage, and this was clearly a misunderstanding of what the meditation was to lead to.
One friend certainly told me that “Dynamic saved his life”, and I certainly believe him. Like any good thing it could also become a difficulty. I certainly met those who were addicted to it, and to carthasis in general.
More generally the dynamic was so unacceptable to those who followed traditional meditations that seemed to me a very good thing, it shook them up, and made everyone really think about what meditation was about.
I also saw conventional Doctors, mental health workers, say it should be treated with very great caution. However in leading the meditation for over three years I never saw a single casualty.
Have wondered on occasions if dynamic was also developed for those of us achievement oriented lunatics who felt they were achieving something because it was such torture, so hard.
Although I did at one stage do the meditation every day for about six months and eventually reached a point where I floated through it. (Would take pages to write about the impact on me, the no going back impact.)
dynamic was the most macho meditation of all time, for me….
I felt like a psycho-spiritual super hardman..
heavy breathing like a red-faced monkey on speed…
shouting “fuck you!” louder and louder every day..
projectile vomiting my negativity..
I actually vomited my ego wholesale down the toilet at one point…
jumping up and down like an olympian kangaroo-hoo….
standing as still as a gurdjieffian yak-killer….
and dancing like hooligan nijinsky in a riot…
man, I was ready to rumble after that…..
thanks, Osh…
You utter bastard.
So it was you.
Couldn’t hear myself screaming “fuck you! fuck! fuck you!” for the row
you made.
Dynamic Meditation is a great device for clearing out all kinds of psycholgical muck. I can honestly say that it can also be addictive. I had a four year period in the seventies where I did not feel right if I did not do Dynamic…at least once a day. Osho cooked it up and it served many people well, including myself,…to a point. Osho knew this and that is why during the late seventies emphasis shifted from practising meditation-orientated techniques to bringing a meditative quality into everyday life, which is of course what real meditation is all about.
I’d say there are pros and cons to doing the dynamic. I know it can be heavy on the body. In my own case I permanently damaged the cartilage in my left knee from jumping up and down for years, going hoo hoo hoo. I daresay that it could potentially bring on a stroke if conditions were ripe for it, One might sum it up by saying, extreme medicine for extreme conditions. Now that I am a wee bit further on up the road I’d say that practising dynamic is making the ground fertile for real meditation to take place.
Practising Osho meditations on a regular basis can bring you into altered states, not unlike drug-induced conditions, both of which have to do with brain chemistry. What I prefer about meditation techniques in relation to drug-induced states is that one has more control over one’s inner space. As it says in the above article, dynamic can give you a real blast, but that is somewhat limited when compared to say a powerful life-changing psychedelic experience.
Dynamic meditation lay at the core of the commune’s early stages. As things progressed it was seen as less important and ‘worship’ eventually replaced it as far as a communard’s life went, that is, generally speaking. I think this is an important point, because shifting from an experience that was powerful and cleansing on a daily basis to one of pure guru worship kind off undermined the whole scene until it became what it is today. This does not mean I see the resort as something negative…it serves its purpose well I am sure, but I’m equally sure very little rebellion is fermenting there today…it has become respectable. Such is the nature of progress in this case.
Dynamic Meditation was a great invention and it is a very good thing to practice when needed and to pass on to others, who need it but are not aquainted with it. On the other hand you can get what dynamic gives on certain levels by doing somekind of demanding sport…in my case long-distance swimming. Go for a two hour swim in the sea and by the time you return to dry land you will have little on yur mind and plenty of nothing to fill the gaps between thoughts.
“Osho cooked it up and it served many people well, including myself,…to a point. Osho knew this and that is why during the late seventies emphasis shifted from practising meditation-orientated techniques to bringing a meditative quality into everyday life, which is of course what real meditation is all about…
Now that I am a wee bit further on up the road I’d say that practising dynamic is making the ground fertile for real meditation to take place…
Dynamic meditation lay at the core of the commune’s early stages. As things progressed it was seen as less important and ‘worship’ eventually replaced it as far as a communard’s life went, that is, generally speaking. I think this is an important point, because shifting from an experience that was powerful and cleansing on a daily basis to one of pure guru worship kind off undermined the whole scene until it became what it is today.”
Lokesh, it’s possible to see a conflict in what you say here, ie that whereas a progression from practising techniques to being meditative in everyday life was/is highly desirable, the resulting change of emphasis on to ‘worship’ (another word for work-with-awareness, wasn’t it?) produced changes, “undermined the whole scene”, that tended to kind of spoil things for you.
Do you just mean that for you the transition from the former semi or totally anarchic “rebelliousness” to a more ordered, even “respectable” set-up, simply meant the scene lost much of its attraction, that the life somehow went out of it – despite the new emphasis on meditation in everyday life?
Or is your main point that over time, the work-meditation orientation sort of degenerated into “pure guru worship”, anathema to such as yourself?
If so, how come “real meditation’” created such an outcome?!
Frank’s got a point SD and I dig your question SD. Somehow I have to say that the dynamic energy kept it really high, whereas the worship ethic kind of took the edge off things, even though it was much fun to be part of it. Dynamic meditation became routine for me, but unlike much of life’s routines the dynamic helped maintain a certain level of awareness that I saw as lacking in the daily worship programme. This is purely my personal viewpoint and I’m sure some will disagree with me on this.
By 1977 I’d been doing dynamic in the ashram religiously for four years, but when I opened my eyes and looked around Buddha Hall I felt like a dinosaur in the respect that almost all of my contemporaries were working on the premises in one form or another. It finally dawned on me that, like Osho himself, his greatest meditation technique was a gate to pass through as opposed to being a place to set up permanent residence. Quite reluctantly, I joined the ranks and played various roles including toilet cleaner (close to enlightenment rank), handyman, laundryman, and ultimately individual therapist. These days I’ve returned to the roles of handyman and gardener and wouldn’t dream of doing any of Osho’s techniques, simply because they don’t figure in my life anymore. I’ve had enough catharsis for one lifetime and it suffices me to remember the I AM a couple of times a day if I am lucky.
btw.
re.dynamic, and catharsis in general…
where did/does all the “psychological muck” go when it is/was thrown out?
wasnt it a bit ecologically irresponsible just throwing it out without considering this?
tons of untreated negative energy shit floating about the ether /void/astral plane….
you wouldnt do that with regular vomit or shit,so why with psychic shit?
someone could just walk right into a pile of it…and get seriously ill….
there could be piles of the stuff all over your room…
maybe all that untreated psychic sewage hung around the place and people got unknowingly infected by it…..?
what about recycling?
it could very well be that learning to recycle it,
and use it for something else could turn out to be a better method?
Stops being yukky once its out.
good question SD,
but sitting on your ass like a pansy waiting for godot aint real meditation at all.
dynamic kicked ass.
like this,too:
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A braggart is telling his friend about his three cars, etcetera, etcetera. When he also mentions that he has two kept mistresses in New York, but that he has made his ravishingly beautiful and terribly passionate private secretary pregnant, and must therefore take his gorgeous blond stenographer with him on his business trip to Rio de Janeiro to see the carnival, the listener suddenly begins to pant, grabs at his own
necktie, and has a heart attack.
The braggart interrupts his tale, gets water, pats the victim on the back, etcetera, etcetera, and he asks solicitously what the matter is. “Can I help it?” the man gasps. “I am allergic to bullshit.”
Osho.
The Dhammapada: The Way of the Buddha, Vol 1
Chapter #4
Chapter title: Just lucky, I guess!
‘Where does“psychological muck” go when it is/was thrown out? That is an interesting question and yes I’d say it gets recycled just like everything else…world without end etc.
Just for record, Dynamic was developed in the Beginning of Osho´s “professional life”, during the last year of His life Osho developed Gibberish and Mystic Rose for the “Stadium full with Individuals”, one can say turning bulky telephone into handy devices…
When a single drop can merge with the Ocean, some civil engineer Mystic will definitely think how to create river, so that millions of drops reach the Ocean.
Question comes, has the river project been successful?
In any case, every time i think about those people on the Earth, who have given more than what they got, Osho is One such shining example..
“Every time I think about those people on the Earth who have given more than what they got, Osho is One such shining example”, says Shantam.
I wonder what it is exactly that is being used on Shantam’s balance scales to work this equation out. Osho did very well out of being a famous guru and enjoyed a lifestyle usually reserved for the super-rich. Perhaps Shree Shantam would care to go into this a little more.
Jesus Christ, CEO of Christianity which has given shining example so all law, science, technology, mobile phone technology is having Christian sentence from Bible behind it and inspiring white-skinned westerners to go to feet of surrogate mamas and papas in nappies, because civil engineering coming from sentence in the Bible with Moses in his professional life, parting the Red Sea and receiving text messages from Jehovah on the Airtel network..
Also Mary and Joseph receiving free messaging and free lodging in Travel Lodge special offer so western civilization can advance and give shining example.
Question comes, how many are understanding Osho`s final meditation, like brand-new Apple computer from Steve Jobs and Mark Zukerberg’s Facebook page, was the Gibberish….?
It gets back to Source , it was always Source to begin with, only our mind thought it was yakkie, and we believed that, and because of that belief it becomes unbearable, it has to be thrown out, “to be got rid of”, but it’s only temporarily ’cause I tried to get rid of a thought/emotion which was never real in the first place. What a joke, all these years, trying to get rid of these “negative emotions” in order to feel good, or feel silence and peace for a while! It’s great of course, but it is a crutch and creates a dependency. Now , all these “meditations” I did, do, in order to feel better or get “closer” to enlightenment have worn me out, physically, mentally,
Perhaps that’s their purpose, so I can finally rest in whatever is,moment to moment, at last!
formal meditations are essentially an attempt at feeling better or self-aggrandizement, much like drinking and taking drugs.
and the ultimate lesson of it all is to find out the drugs don’t work!
in all that trying to feel better, the question of why you feel worse is never grasped….
answer is….because you`re trying to feel better!!
“Now , all these “meditations” I did, do, in order to feel better or get “closer” to enlightenment have worn me out, physically, mentally”, says Karima.
I was wondering about that.
Bhagwan burn-out ?
Spaced out sannyasin SOS ?
Osho overdose ?
Could be time to move “from meditation to medication”….
More a doing to be overdose!
Compared to other successful public figures, I think Osho lived quite a modest life and unlike any other successful Indian man did almost nothing for his family members.
Many people still feel pissed off with Osho by the idea of having 93 expensive cars during His American oddyssey.
As He has explained himself, it was an act of provocation to American mind. One can at the most say, this provocative tactics reverted back, it did not achieve the desired result.
Most of the new Indian gurus are creating their ashrams within 10 years on much bigger scale than Osho did in His lifetime.
People spend more money to listen that boobie Justin Biber or Aunty Madonna holding her shaggy boobs in the coned bra, and still will not dare to say such people are enjoying luxury life because of us masses.
Sometimes I wonder whether many took sannyas because they were convinced by Osho and His vision or it was the fashion impulse of that time.
Shantam, you write, “Compared to other successful public figures, I think Osho lived quite a modest life and unlike any other successful Indian man did almost nothing for his family members.
Many people still feel pissed off with Osho by the idea of having 93 expensive cars during His American oddyssey.”
If you look extremely closely at the above two paragraphs you might find a certain, er, contradiction…Can you find it, Shantam?!
(I was also going to say you’ve mis-spelt the last word, ie only one ‘d’ should be there, but ‘odd’ yssey somehow fits, doesn’t it?).
i will continue to fight like a warrior without a pause to be reborn in next life in western world which has obviously been created from sentences from the Bible, while Pune 1 western white-skinned sannyasin fashion victims and disciples of Justin Bieber think about Madonna’s shaggy(?) tits in a zen koan, sitting in stadium of individuals, but cannot see.
Rolls Royce phase and dynamic phase were not achieving desired effect, yet final pumping phase, where the story of successful Indian man Shree Shantam and his Space Oddessey(88-2001) witnessed Osho, CEO of enlightenment corp, delivering to the spiritual supermarket , final and most effective product of enlidlment..
…gibberish….
Very funny!
It is quite obvious that Shantam has spent quite a lot of time living under a rock, with little communication with the outside world.
Just for the record. Osho’s love of expensive limos was not limited to his brief stint in USA. He was ferried around in them before and after the ranch. He was served hand and foot 24/7. He had women permanently employed creating biblical costumes for him to wear and wore watches that cost as much money as Shantam will ever see in his life. I could go on but this is enough to show how brain-damaged poor Shantam is in order to imagine there was anything modest about Osho’s life. I’m not saying there was anything wrong with the way Osho chose to live his life, just acknowedging the fact that the man lived like a king for a good part of it.
Thanks, Satya Deva, for giving right spellings to odyssey.
Surely, in life many times it becomes “Odd-yes-say” too, when followers and leaders do their best to massage each other’s egos at the cost of the whole world, before the moving Cameras of life!
Lokesh, I think just the celebration of your Majesty´s uninterrupted gluing life to the little United Kingdom has cost multiple times more money than all the property in the name of Osho and His sannyasins and still no one wonders, “What this royal family has ever contributed to the human evolution?”
Have they added a single poem or a story, what to say about any medical or scientific research or some theological insight?
Problem with your kind of mind is that it will never give the freedom to the soul people to have some kind of good life.
Let us say, even it was a pure oratory on Osho´s part, still all the work and talent involved, give Him this much credit that He was stirring and inspiring the human hearts. The women who were stitching robes for Osho; were they borrowed from the harem of Huge Hefner or were leased to Osho by job center?
By demeaning a simple act of devotion towards the master, you are showing your own shadow side and nothing else..
I think I should find out few mystics from Indian villages, who are still sitting in their lunghis preaching about, ” All that you ever wanted to know about” and waiting some white gentleman to come and make them world famous!
But you’re ignoring Lokesh’s point, Shantam, mine too (re the contradiction you apparently unwittingly stated). And what has bringing in the Queen got to do with the issue anyway?!
And you say to Lokesh, “Problem with your kind of mind is that it will never give the freedom to the soul people to have some kind of good life.”
Don’t think you’ve read his final sentence, have you?:
“I’m not saying there was anything wrong with the way Osho chose to live his life, just acknowedging the fact that the man lived like a king for a good part of it.”
Did you know that more Indians than Scots died fighting for the British crown in World War 2 ?
Shantam,you were probably one of those mugs in your past life.
No wonder you dislike whitey so much.
I dont blame you…
Problem with brown-skins is based in erectile dysfunction and the little man being simply too little to satisfy big fat Sikh ladies. Multi-national CEO cannot help with mishap, due to mother nature taking nap when sub-continental’s male half was being created and not enough flour in genetic cake mix. Blue pill does not help and now millions of women suffer every day because little man wiggles too much in big cavern, where one can meet truck driver who has lost keys to unarticulated lorry.
Now dirty white skins rule the roost and erect bigger flagpole than miserly brown skins worm. Little wonder new brown skin women pass through gateless gate to do hoo, hoo, hoo and worship big flagpole. I ask one simple question: who do you think you are? Flag on pole or pole on flag?
I first starting doing Dynamic in the early 1980′s. Just before that I’d spent a year in a Gurdjieff Work group led by someone who had studied under John Bennett (one of G’s main disciples). The ‘Work’ consisted of mental techniques (such as trying to remember to take ‘one conscious breath’ before speaking to anyone throughout the course of the day, or changing habits such as putting your watch on the opposite wrist, or getting into your pants via the left leg first instead of the right, etc.). Then there were the Gurdjieff ‘movements’, most of which amounted to stiff versions of Tai Chi. And then there was the interminable talking in the ‘meetings’, much of which clearly involved plenty of emotional repression. After all of that I was only too happy to plunge into Dynamic meditation and spend my early morning hours screaming and jumping with a bunch of people wearing beads and red underwear.
Dynamic is a very useful process, especially for these times and here again is where Osho’s brilliance showed best, in gauging the zeitgeist of his time. But the main problem with Dynamic is that it is too demanding of time and energy. It works for a committed stay in an ashram but is not convenient for the average person to somehow work into their daily life.
As for *catharsis*, it’s interesting that the word itself derives from a Greek word that became a medical term for voiding the bowels. As an idea it’s not a brainchild of the human potential movement of the 1960′s but was actually found in much older traditions (even Freud talked about it), including the Eastern Orthodox church of all places. The Cathars, the early Gnostic mystical sect, took their name from the same word (meaning the ‘clean, pure ones’).
Nothing in Dynamic meditation is original but what was clever about it was how it was put together. In that sense I think it was a great representation of Osho’s craft and his specialty, that being syncretism, bringing things together. Osho was not especially original. He was more like a conductor of an orchestra, rather than a musician himself.
‘take ‘one conscious breath’ before speaking-’ Now, that is what I call a good idea.
You mentioned somewhere above about not doing Dynamic anymore. It reminded me of a friend who recently asked his old Zen teacher what his current meditation practice was. The Zen teacher, now in his 60′s, replied that his practice now consisted of ‘a coffee in the morning and two ales in the evening’.
I wonder how many sannyasins, especially those of the early crowd who were at Poona One and the Ranch, still meditate. My own practice is sporadic. For the past few years I seem to have more interest in reading and writing than in meditating, partly because as I age I’m more interested in evaluating context, sharpening perspective, and deepening understanding, rather than just experiencing or witnessing the flow of the moment. I still recognize that meditation is important, however, especially as a means to prevent us from getting too identified with a given position about something. Meditation provides space. Every relationship needs some space, just as we need space between our thoughts.
PT,
i`ve met a few of those zen teachers,too.
when i was a zen seeker….
once,after a pretty heavy seshun,i was on the mat,and i asked master Bu-Zi:
“does the hair of the dog have buddha nature?”
zen master Bu-Zi replied:
“give me that bottle of vodka”
i continued:
“master,how can we get the booze out of the bottle without removing the cap,does that not represent the true spirit of zen?”
Bu-Zi replied: “stop talking shite”
punched me in the mouth, grabbed the bottle,guzzled the contents,burped and said
“the booze is out”
?who was it that said:
meditation is like swimming,you do it because you like the feel of the water over your body,the sensation of floating,the stretching of the muscles etc,how many laps you do and so on is irrelevant…
and it is like dancing….you dont dance to get to a particular place on the dance floor,just for the joy of it….
this is probably a pretty hedonistic way of looking at it,but on the other hand,people who dont enjoy it other than they feel they are gaining something by “discipline” usually come over like they`ve got a prickly pear stuck up their ass.
Frank, i did not dislike whitey too much..Not even a little bit.
One thing common between Indian politicians and Western ex.sannyasins is their sense of useless superiority complex, and this simply irritates me.
For example, Indian politicians speak about democracy and people´s mandate in such a way as if they got it from their holy Vedas, as if India was always a democratic country. Basically India was not even an India, it is the power of East India company that united length and breadth of town hall size kingdoms into what India is now.
Similarly whether in the ashram or here at snews, most of the western sannyasins give this impression as if inner awakening is such a simple thing, so simple that before the electricity was discovered, enlightenment was already there in Scotland or Canada!
Surely Osho has pumped this by saying something like ” You are all born to be Enlightened, but this is true as i have heard for ants too.”
And moreover, why i should dislike white people. For my eyes and heart, white women are the most adventurous and glamorous…Satyam Shivam Sundram!
White women also worship the big flagpole, Shantam. Therfore your chances are looking pretty slim when you get down to it. Stick with sheep is my suggestion, afterall you are a bit wooly behind the ears. Baaaah!
shantam,you say:
“for my eyes,the white women are the most adventurous and glamorous”
so,following your theory of christianity in the western world,exactlywhich sentence from the bible is responsible for white women being like that?
which of the judaeo-christian doctrines has led to them being so
(gl)amorous?
Yes,the priests had turned sex into a dirty thing, and that is still one of the main reasons of the great success of Osho in the West……the only worldwide famous guru who says sex is good!
Not quite the only one, ys, but certainly the most famous, yes.
I mean the only one you can easily come across on the web, or in the local bookstore…then if you can find one in a Himalaya cave or in another unknown place, that’s another story, that is not for the masses…
No, there are a few others, all contemporary western, none from a cave…
Not sure if Osho or they are “for the masses” though. “The masses”, in the west anyway, have been ‘sexually liberated’ for quite a while now, although whether that has led to a flowering of love is very much open to question (in other words, it clearly hasn’t!).
no,it has just release a lot of pressure….but this could be the pre-requisite. And this is also open to question.
old wiseguys with beards were telling you for centuries not to have or enjoy sex.
suddenly, old wiseguys with beards started telling you that you had to have it and enjoy it.
no wonder people are confused.
they don’t know if they`re coming or going…
As for being a white skin, read on. And Shantam, I hope you don’t get your plastic love doll out for a thrashing after reading this.
For centuries Indian women have been raised to believe that fairness is beauty, and this has given rise to a vast and ever-growing skin-whitening industry – which is now encouraging women to bleach far beyond their hands and face.
It all began with a YouTube video a friend sent me. You need to see this, she said, trying to contain her shock and laughter. And so I pressed play.
It was an advert. A couple sits on a sofa. The husband reads a paper ignoring his beautiful wife: her face, a picture of rejection.
What could this be selling? I wondered, as I watched.
Moments later, this scene of spurned love turned soapy when the leading lady was seen taking a shower. (calm down Shantam)
But – she wasn’t using any ordinary shower gel. No, she was using a skin lightening wash, which, as the graphic which then popped up on screen informed the viewer, would lighten her genitals.
Yes, I did just say genitals.
After an application of said fairness cream, rose petals appear on the screen, and just like the ending of a good old Bollywood film, the couple are seen happily embracing.
The moral of this story – true love will conquer if your nether regions are a few tones fairer. So, Shantam, order some now.
That logic would make the Scottish the most attractive nation on earth.
Some of those girls are so white,you have to wear sunglasses to lessen the glare…
When India is a superpower and the UK economy collapses, I can see a time when Indian sextourists will fly to Glasgow for their holidays…
Not a lot of people know about the traditions of Scottish tantra either ..
The Indian tantric yogis may have eaten human shit to get enlightened, but what about the scots? They took it further….
They eat haggis and deep-fried Mars bars….
shantam says: “enlightenment was already there in Scotland”
he`s right,you know…
there`s rabmana macarshi and his method of enquiry….
“who d`ye think y`r fockin lookin at,then?”
and forget egghead tool with his power of now,
“och aye the noo” has been around for centuries.
the bagpipes are a highly successful device to drive you out of your mind,too…
spiritual?
they invented the stuff.
Aye, right, and let’s no forget the six inch permanent smile.
Aye, right, and we are always busy tossing our cabers (something for Shantam perhaps) and let’s not forget that old favourite pastime for those long cold nights…bite the boulder.
Just spent a few days in Scotland. Not really renowned for producing masses of good-looking women, I have to say that some of those Scottish lassies are absolutely stunning. There is something delicate about very white skin that I find positively delicious. No. I have not become a cannibal…..yet!
It was clean and intimate drywash…isn’t it?
How funny!
Also Lokesh, you read that news….average Indian man’s dick fall short of condoms…leading to pregnancy for the ‘victims’
poor us :/
When a grown-up and spiritually wise guy like Lokesh comes to the point of Cms. between the legs, i wonder what kind of desperation is this?
Somehow a certain kind of fatigue has creeped in into the collective sannyas psychic, almost like a situation where we remember tentatively the digits of the number lock, still lock is not getting opened.
Dynamic, Kundalini, White Robe, Primal and Tantra, Mystic Rose and Who Is In…and still……??
…..dont forget gibberish….
White Robe is simply practice for old folks home. Staring at telly and empty chairs and stuff.
I FIRST MET OSHO IN DECEMBER, 1974. I TOLD HIM I WAS “CONFUSED”. HE TURNED TO VIVEK, AND SAID HE HAD THE PERFECT CURE AND GOT ME TO DO GIBBERISH DEMONSTRATION WITH HER SAYING SHE HAD HAD PLENTY OF CONFUSION, AND PLENTY OF PRACTICE WITH THE GIBBERISH.
HE ASKED WHERE I LIVED. I SAID THE FREE HOUSE. HE SAID FINE, OKAY TO DO GIBBERSIH THERE RIGHT ON, FOR 21 DAYS, 30 MINUTES A DAY.
Funny how people think that”gibberish” was invented by Osho in Poona two!
The so – called search for enlightenment in the West has always existed. The American Indians / Native Americans had medicine man (Master). Africa had medicine man and many unknown cults. Middle Europe, the Celts, Druids, Stonehenge and certainly much more mysticism. The biggest work India did, sure. Then came the known religions widespread by the ruling scenes. Even Alchemy was certainly a form of truth – seeking. The search for truth in my opinion is an attachment of our being. Therefore, it’s more important looking for our similarities, than trying to prove what the truth is.
And let’s not forget about the caveman’s search for a light.
all those druids and medicine men were probably full of it.
don’t believe what the misogynists say, druidry, shamanism etc. is the oldest profession in the world…
therapists, shamans and gurus are like prostitutes really…
people pay them for their time and come away feeling a bit better.
it’s a neccesary human function.
have you noticed how they are merging these days?
hookers are calling themselves tantrics and therapists are helping folk out with their sexuality.
it had to happen.
yea,is a kind of new age prostitution.That’s why i find perfectly right to change the name “Ashram” into “meditation resort”.It just reflect better what is all about.
Shantam says, a certain kind of fatigue has crept in into the collective sannyas psyche. And I wonder when Shantam will get it that this is simply a reflection of himself.
It is, of course, hardly surprising that the poor brown-skin feels fatigued. What with his constant war with the powers-that-be in the Resort, lack of funds to finance his campaign, constant dragging of his proud name through the mud by evil white-skins, no interest from the fairer sex because of his lack of size in the basement department, having to wear chuddies due to his incontinence, feeling inferior to the evil white-skins due to imperialistic impressions in the subconscious, feeling left out because everyone thinks he is stupid, rubbing that chemical whitener into his skin, my god!…the list is endless.
So, Shantam, I know you are not really interested in what anyone else has to say, but if you happen to read this I sugget you have a holiday. This has nothing to do with religion as in holy and everything to do with having a rest. I know that you have saved up 100euros in the bank and how proud your mama is about that, but please withdraw the money and spend it on yourself. German law allows you ( the sexually defunct) to visit a hooker for a bit of tantra and I reckon this would be a good start on your long road to recovery. Drink a bottle of cheap wine first for Dutch courage and then jump into the unknown that in this case is the local brothel. All your sessions with your blow-up love doll have left you tired and haggard. Time for the real thing.
Once you get better you will realize the reality here on SN is that, with the exception of about ten people, everyone else loves you and is overflowing with infinite energy.
Husband was furious over the phone, ” How come you leave me for that bastard? He is nothing, not even handsome.”
Wife retorted back, ” But his is 1.25 Cms. bigger than yours!”
Lokesh, don´t speak about projection and reflection kind of highly mediocre stuff, on the contrary tell me, whether the dialogue above happens quite often in Scottish families?
All the time, Jimmy.
Denial is quite a potent tool to protect mental equilibrium in situations of personal disasters. It is like people who bought Facebook shares will not accept that its course will remain on the downward trend. Same is with Nokia, same is with Osho sannyas.
Anyway, Lokesh, your investment is safe. You were a consumer of Osho products before it went big to the Wall Street.
Being a sannyasin, i won´t hesitate to say, ” Sannyas has lost its shine, not because something is wrong with the product but because it is unable to resolve in its own system, ” Where lies the head, where lies the heart”.
simple.
the head is up the ass.
Sannyas has lost its shine…take offyour sunglasses, Shantam.
Joking apart, I can only speak from my somewhat limited vision of how the sannyas scene exists today, here on Ibiza. There are quite a lot old-school sannyasins on the island and for the most part they are all very cool people. Many have specialised in one field or another and some are relatively successful as far as the world goes. Others are growing old and one or two are losing their minds and going daft.
One thing is for sure, nobody knows how to party-hearty like Ibiza sannyasins. Once in a while we all come together and dance and sing. It is an unbeatable vibe and it feels like home sweet om to me. Most sannyasins I know here rarely talk about Osho. Nonetheless, I can say that their contact with Osho left a positive impact on their lives and it shows. I don’t say they shine all the time but they are a great community of people and I am happy to be part of it.
lokesh,
you working for the ibiza spiritual tourist board?
sounds groovy,i`m booking my holiday right away.
got any old school sannyas chicks with wheelchair access over there?
it is not time to open your own resort in the island,Lokesh?
Frank said.
old wiseguys with beards were telling you for centuries not to have or enjoy sex. Suddenly, old wiseguys with beards started telling you that you had to have it and enjoy it. No wonder people are confused. they don’t know if they`re coming or going…
Lot in that. A whole discussion even. Riding two horses at once.
one solution could be to stop listening to old wiseguys…
hippies tried it, but ran into trouble..
http://www.biffonline.co.uk/hippy.html
(the figure`s gone up even further these days)
as the proverb says
“you cannot ride two horses with one ass”
people are confused,and another result of this is that nobody wants to make a baby anymore!
While the indians and the chinese are borning a new one every minute,white skinned are less and less…..
That’s another reason for sexual repression:in the country where you have to make a woman pregnant everytime you want an orgasm,the factories and the army will always be full of people!!
Arpana, you say, ‘Lot in that. A whole discussion even.’ If you really do believe that to be true why not construct something around the theme and begin a new thread? That way your theory will be put to the test and move into the actaul instead of remaining in the realm of the hypothetical.
Just for the record sake, in case people have this idea all is fine above and below the carpet…just saw this public appeal by the people who are taking the legal course to bring some accountablity in the world of Osho sannyas.
Osho Friends, Pune
Important Announcements
June 2012
With the feeling that all of Osho’s sannyasins and friends around the world are, as always, sharing the Master’s love and blessings…this letter is written.
The time has come to make some important announcements. All efforts up till now to settle our differences with the present trustees and administrators of the Osho Ashram, Pune – now branded as Osho International Meditation Resort – are failing. You can view the details of these several court cases on the website http://www.oshowork.org
The present administrators consist of: the management team and the trustees who are being controlled by Mr. Michael O’Byrne (Byrne) alias Swami Jayesh, Dr. John Andrews alias George Meredith alias Swami Prem Amrito, Mr. Darcy O’Byrne (Byrne) alias Swami Yogendra and Mukesh Sarda alias Swami Mukesh Bharti.
Our hope is that Osho’s work and this place shall soon flourish again with the presence of thousands of friends, all sharing in the Master’s energy. We would very much like to rejuvenate the meditation programs and those of Osho Multiversity, which has almost closed down. We look forward to greater participation of the present administrators in coming times. Rather than staying alienated from each other, we know; we could co-operatively work together to jointly produce a better scheme for how this place could be run more openly and efficiently.
As part of our fundamental manifesto, we propose that:
A – It is each and every Osho sannyasins’ right to visit Osho’s Samadhi and meditation places in the Ashram in Pune at reasonable entry fees. Inasmuch as, the present administrators have taken charge of Osho’s legacy, it is one of their obligations to fulfil this. If the present administrators are not willing or able to realize Osho’s dream – then they should bow out gracefully and leave it to those who will! If they choose to continue to play power games, then the court of law will replace them in due course.
B- The trustees and administrators should always remember that they are not the owners of Osho’s legacy; rather they are only its custodians. Any conspiracy to damage Osho’s work, vision and legacy shall not be tolerated.
This is to inform all our friends that if our extensive efforts to resolve differences amicably fail, then it is very important to understand what the consequences, which could take place in due course, could be.
It is anticipated that:
1. A government appointed committee may investigate into all the matters related to Osho International Foundation (in India and abroad), Neo Sannyas Foundation, Osho Media International, Osho Multimedia and Resorts Private Limited and other such organisations. Their investigations will be slow, steady and accountable.
2. The government may appoint a custodian or a committee to watch the trust matters and financial activities on a daily basis. How unfortunate!: Osho’s disciples and fellow travellers would be governed by the people who have no idea of Osho’s words and silence!
3. Inquiries may take place into Osho’s intellectual property/ copyrights.
4. Inquiries may take place into how the trustees, including Osho’s Inner Circle members (past and present), the management teams and directors of the said organisations are involved in manipulating Osho’s legacy.
5. Inquiries may take place into the whereabouts of Osho’s personal belongings, such as his library, his historical documents, the original master copies of his discourses and articles and his paintings and other such personal items. These inquires may include the need to know how these items are handled and by whom.
6. The investigations may lead to much more, which could go way beyond the scope of these predictions.
Therefore, we suggest (and would prefer) that:
• All parties concerned meet to resolve these matters congenially and wholeheartedly at home, at the earliest.
All sannyasins and Osho lovers should ask, write and demand to the present administrators of the said organisations to take urgent steps in the right direction and produce fruitful results. If they fail to settle these matters amicably then only they – the present administrators, trustees and their co-conspirators – will be responsible for any of the above anticipated degradations as and when it occurs. Nobody wants this to happen!
Let’s all hope that that day will come soon and that we can all enjoy the Master’s blessings and be able to meditate and celebrate together again under one roof!
For Osho Friends, Pune
– Yogesh Thakkar (Swami Premgeet)
– Kishor Raval (Swami Anadi)
OshoWorks.org
http://www.oshowork.org..
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Just for the record’s sake, I really don’t give a hoot about any of the above. What a load of boring bollocks. The whole scenario is so far removed from why I originally became a sannyasin in the first place that absolutely nothing whatsover in this statement bothers me in the slightest.
Osho’s legacy and vision…hey! what about Osho’s double vision; where does that fit into the scheme of things? If Osho had a legacy it had to do with how he affected the people who had contact with him. One might get a whiff of that power in a video or book, or a discourse but, if you are open to it, you’ll get more of a vibe from meeting people who spent some time around the man. Anything that Osho left behind in a physical sense can go to the dogs…like us they will all be gone from the earth soon enough…so why bother about it? Future generations? Gimme a break!Only a lost soul would take a stand and raise a flag on that ship of fools, sailing nowhere on an endless sea of litigation.
I know many sannyasins, from all corners of the world. They all participated in Osho’s dance while alive, not in some dead legacy. I ask myself what did we get out of the real thing anyway? I see it as a very mixed bag indeed.
As for Osho’s vision…what vision exactly? That is also a very mixed-up bag. I reckon there are as many Osho visions as there are people who met the man. So where does this leave us? I’ll give you a hint….be a light unto your self. Make your own legacy and vision. Osho had his turn. Now it is our go, because it won’t be long till we all follow in Osho’s footsteps and disappear from this world. Enjoy while you can…a fantastic, brilliant show of light, sound, emotion and pesky thoughts, with a hint of the beyond just around the corner.
good writing.
support indian nationalist politicians and lawyers?
or get a life unto yourself?
thats a choiceless choice
and a no-brainer if ever there was one.