IS LIFE A MYSTERY TO BE LIVED AND NOT A PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED?

Lokesh reflects on the old Osho adage

Of all the Osho quotes ‘Existence is not a problem to be solved it is a mystery to be lived.’ is perhaps one of the most well known and commonly repeated by sannyasins.
I myself have quoted it over the years. It comes in handy when confronted with something you cannot figure out with the mind, and serves well when someone else is in that position and needs a little advice to put their mind at ease. Yes, it is a poignant saying that holds much appeal, but recently I have began to question it. I think it is a great mistake to repeat things Osho said as if they are irrefutable, especially if it has become a sort of personal mantra. How about sannyas or suicide? Sounds a bit extreme these days, but once upon a time it made perfect sense to many of us.
According to Ramana Maharshi, ‘Mystery and suffering only exist in the mind.’ Does that mean all this ‘Mystery School’ business is just a mind trip? Could it be that seeing life as a great mystery is actually not conductive to awakening, that it is actually a trap for the seeker after truth? When set in a historical context keeping life mysterious has always been a foundation stone in any organized religion’s framework and worldview. Enter the priests, who have the keys to the door of the mysterious and will give you a glimpse of what lies behind it…for a price.
Another pitfall of being logged into a worldview that subscribes to life being ever so mysterious is that it is easy to write things off by shrouding them in a cloak of mystery. An image of sannyasins back in the Ranch days comes to mind. Instead of saying to each other, I think something is fundamentally wrong in the way Sheela is running the commune, it was all written off as part and parcel of Osho’s great rock and Rolls Royceing magical mystery tour. In other words, adopting an attitude wherein one sees everything as a great mystery can and sometimes does short-circuit our critical faculties and, like dosey sheep being fattened for the abattoir in a verdant alpine meadow, leave one ripe for exploitation and manipulation.
According to Osho, and in direct contradiction to life not being a problem,  there exists one very big problem and that is the mind, very much a part of life which, when one considers it, is quite a biggie that we all deal with on a daily basis. Osho and many other mystics seem to agree that all other problems will fade to insignificance if we can sort out the problem of the mind. Nothing mysterious there as this has pretty much been established as a fact of our spiritual reality.
To round this off I’d say that there is another problem,  and there is nothing mysterious about it either. This problem has to do with the fact that we have become totally identified with our body-mind complex and forgotten who we really are,  and as a result all manner of problems have arisen…you name it we got it! Our job as seekers is to rid ourselves of this mistaken identity. This means we have to debunk the mystery package that has always been part and parcel of all all religions and religious cults…sannyas being no exclusion, for in itself sannyas fills many of the criteria as to what it is that constitutes a cult or cultish mentallity.
Our situation is such that it is only through embracing our aloneness and diving directly into ourselves that we will come to know the truth. We don’t need any social framework for this. We don’t need to belong to a mystery school. We, you, can enter the kingdom right now, by simply closing the eyes, relaxing and maintaining inner awareness. In so doing all of our problems dissolve and our lives will become concentrated in this very moment,  and there will be no longer a need for any mystery or problems that need solving. It is important to understand that we are all destined for enlightenment. End of story.

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100 Responses to IS LIFE A MYSTERY TO BE LIVED AND NOT A PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED?

  1. shantam prem says:

    Whatsoever we write or say, we bring our mind in.. Howsoever pious, howsoever advanced, howsoever mature; our mind, the sum total of our experiences, cultural conditionings, racial profile etc. simply creeps in.
    Even the sage Ramana Maharishi, the Tamil Brahmin quoted here, is saying refinedly what was part of his religious upbringing.
    Same man in the West would have been one of those who elect pope, the Christians who follow the arduous path of hearing their “higher calling”.
    What Lokesh has written is just one of the present day beliefs…
    We are all destined to be enlightened…Is it like Moms telling their school going girls, ” Don´t worry,sweethearts, you are all destined to get boobies like mami. Just a question of time!”?!

  2. Lokesh says:

    Shantam says, ‘Whatsoever we write or say, we bring our mind in.’ Reading his comment one has to agree.
    Without the mind it would not be possible to write anything. Osho used his mind to compose his discourses. There is an ocean of difference between using the mind and allowing the mind to use you. Isn’t that a big part of mastery of one’s self?
    Apart from that, I disagree almost entirely with everything else in his comment. I chucked the’ destined for enlightenment’ line in just to add flavour to the soup. Nonetheless, it has nothing to do with present day beliefs, but rather something that has been said since at least the time of Buddha. Another element of Shantam’s character seems to be coming to the fore recently…that of the cynic. Get well soon.

  3. Karima says:

    What comes up is mysterie versus materie. So it’s still part of duality. It really cannot be talked about, ’cause one can only be It. But I like to have a go imagining that mysterious is the unknown. When I really live in the moment, not from the past or the future, then the next moment ( if there is such a thing) must be totally unknown, as if i put my foot forward and i don”t know if it will land on the floor or an abyss. Nothing to hold on to any more.

    • Arun says:

      A comment on ‘living in the now/present moment’, Karima, if I may. This concept has to be the biggest misnomer in modern spirituality. This is by no means a personal attack on Karima, for the Now phenomenon is an unchallenged global ‘attitude’. But I’m going to be brave and highlight its considerable inconsistencies and contradictions.

      Firstly, the idea that time can be divided into the past, present and future is purely a ‘convenience’ of time-keeping to identify one happening from another – my birthday was yesterday, today I’m a day older, for example. However, the truth is that time, the past, present and future are a single-fluid whole and the division and attempted separation is a glaring example of dualism.

      Each action in each moment is really a ‘reaction’ to the previous moment. No moment, no action can exist in isolation of any other moment, the past is inextricably bound to the present and the present is inextricably bound to the future. The Buddha called this phenomenon ‘dependent origination’, Einstein called it the spacetime continuum. Karma has the same understanding, that past action determines present action and present action determines future action.
      These posts for example, none of them were written in the present moment, they were all written as a ‘reaction’ to a past event. Before they were written there was, without exception, an ‘intention’ from the author of the post, intention is a projection in future. How many intentions do we have in a day? To write a post, accessing the learned skill of writing through memory in response to a previous post is a projection into the past. How often do we access learned skills or behaviour patterns, how often do we access memory in a single day?

      If we observe our action ‘in the moment’ without being bound to the idea that the past and future are somehow undesireable or irrelevant we will see that that present moment abides simultaneously in the past and the future, we will see that ‘all’ time is happening Now, not just the present moment. This is the true sublety of Now, it’s three dimensional – past, present, future – it is not the one dimension of the present. Only in the sense of Consciousness or Totality is the now One Dimensional. This subtle idea has been dumbed down for/by the Western seeker, the Now has become spiritual curry powder – one homogeneous flavour to represent the thousand and one Indias.

      The reason this idea has caught on so well, I believe, is because it fits very well with western impatience and the desire for instant gratification. We have been conditioned to believe we can have whatever we want, materially, physically or spiritually – now.

      Freedom does not abide exclusively in the present moment but in all and any moment, freedom is inclusive not exclusive.

      • Arpana says:

        God, that took me a lot of not nows, not thens and not tomorrows to read.

      • Karima says:

        First of all, understanding the Truth is not the same as living it. If i would live it totally I probably wouldn’t be interested in writing this down. It actually is so mysterious ’cause the mind cannot understand it, but nevertheless it will try! So here it goes…… If everything is the One, then past and future,all the pasts and futures are the One, but this can only be seen from the standpoint of the One. From the mind’s standpoint there is only past and future, and being in the moment is interpreted by the mind as the space between past and future. It’s a start, but it is still a focus, a holding on to a kind of tiny present. A tiny present, when the big present includes All , that’s why it’s such a big present!!

        • Arun says:

          Ah, back to the ‘mystery’ that Lokesh began with. The ‘standpoint of the One’ can be revealed in meditation, this is its purpose. ‘Holding on to a kind of tiny present’, why? – when the Whole holds onto you, not just now but always. It always has, continually is, always will…

          • Arun says:

            ps. now that’s what I call unconditonal love!

            • Arun says:

              An analogy that might help: The River

              The river’s spring (the past) flows uninterrrupted into the river (the present. The river flows uninterrupted into the estuary (the future). Our perception is of linear time, the past is gone, the present is happening, the future hasn’t happen yet. A mountain (meditation) stands next to the river. Meditation allows us to climb to the mountain-top and transcend our linear pereceptions and projections. From that standpoint we ‘share the view of the One.’ The entire river is realised, the spring has not happened in the past but is happening Now, the present is happening Now and the estuary is not going to happen in the future it is happening Now. When this is realised there is no need to ‘hold onto a tiny piece of the present’, we can let go of holding, grasping, and literally ‘go with the flow…’

            • Lokesh says:

              The thing about unconditional love is that it needs the right conditions to exist, so it is therefore not really unconditional.

              • Arun says:

                On the contrary Loke, unconditional love by definition is non-existent. Call it the ‘divine zero’ if you will, it represents Nothing, so it requires no conditions, it has no quality whatsoever. A bit like switching on your calculator, the first thing you see is zero. No matter what numbers end up on the screen zero remains the Unchanged essence – the divine DNA of Emptiness, the Void, the Unmanifest, there are a thousand names for it – the Eternal is another. Tantrikas, among others, call it ‘love’ because its ‘absence’ allows for ‘presence’ of all life, all creation. This ‘Nothing’, this Unconditional Love is entirely free at ‘any’ moment – which brings a whole new meaning to apparently cynical phrase, Nothing is life is free…

                • Arun says:

                  apologies, typo, should read: ‘to the apparently cynical phrase, Nothing in life is free.’

                • frank says:

                  arun,
                  yes,it brings the words of that great country and western advaitist kristofferson into perspective,too…
                  “nothing aint worth nothin`,but its free”.

                  speaking as a cynic,i find that unconditional love is for the most part, hopelessly misplaced…

                  yet,cynicism has no direct opposite,polarity or clear antonym.
                  so may very well be the ultimate non-dual position of the full-blown advaitist…

                • frank says:

                  nothing is better than nothing
                  —–samuel becket

        • Lokesh says:

          Maybe the tiny present is a diamond.

  4. Arun says:

    First, Karima: the distinction between duality and dualism. We exist in duality, where the sun is obviously ‘distinct’ from the moon, and hot is distinct from cold and so on. Yet the sun and moon, like hot and cold although distinct are elements of a single Manifestation of Oneness. To believe distinction is separation of one thing from another is ‘dualism’, to understand distinctions as an inevitable expression of Consciousness keeps us bound to duality yet aware of the non-dual context within which distinctions abide.

    The idea that the ultimate truth cannot be talked about, that we can only ‘be it’ buys into the mystery that Loke has exposed. Sages and seekers of every kind from the Buddha, Jesus to Ramani Marhashi ‘have’ talked about it. To talk about it and then say we should not is a lazy excuse not to exhaust all inquiry unitl the truth is revealed, this is the very definition of enlightenment. To share that truth with others can only be compassion.

    The mind is not a problem. The mind is the tool, the lense through which we perceive and understand. Patanjali suggests that we clean that lens through various practices such as yama, niyama, asana and samyama, so that we are able to perceive the truth with ‘clarity.’ Ultimately. in the samadhi the mind and ‘no-mind’ dissolve each into the other, their separation or ‘dualism’ is understood as an illusion, and yet their distinction or ‘duality’ remains, even though it cannot be perceived by the perceiver. It is the same as our ordinary waking state, whether we are buying vegetables or driving our car, the state of enlightenment remains inseperably bound to us all, yet it cannot be perceived by the perceiver, there is no dualism. The only distinction is, the enlightened ‘know’ this to Be the truth and the seeker does not (yet). Ultimately though, it matters not because the enlightened wave and the wave still searching for the Ocean are moved by that same divine will. We are always embraced by That, whether we know it or not. I ‘know’ I Am That. The mystery is at an end.

  5. Karima says:

    Thank you, Arun for the reminder. Truth or Mysterie can be explained in so many different ways, also this response is part of trying to explain the unexplainable, to understand, to grasp. Isee myself doing it, and until it has exhausted itself it, it shall keep on doing it. And when it stops sometimes what a relief, truly being lazy, knowing nothing!

  6. shantam prem says:

    Many people have a ticket to enter the kingdom of God…and when i peeped inside, people without tickets were occupying the best seats.
    Also there was a small reminder, just like No Smoking, ” God (Existence) is allergic to all the teaching stuff”.

  7. shantam prem says:

    Lokesh, as I see, you are propagating people to drop the train who have not even entered yet.
    What you live or convey, is very much based on the fact that once as a young man you have spent precious years of your life around a man who has more or less the same height and a will to succeed in his chosen career as Nicolas Sarcozy!
    Most of the people in this age will never get a chance to waste their life, though many hearts have the longing to follow some higher stuff, even when one gets fractured like many of us!

    • Lokesh says:

      Talking of trains, Shantam, I sometimes wonder if perhaps you’ve had a head on collision with one. If so would you like to share the experience. You say, ‘Most of the people in this age will never get a chance to waste their life.’ Well, what a boring world it would be if everyone was like you. I wouldn’t worry too much about it as the damage has already been done. Just stick to the ‘higher stuff’ you mention, whatever that is, maybe that will get you back on track in time for a head on with a runaway choo-choo.

  8. martyn says:

    Arun, I always like to shimmy the three into the one… and when the truth hits …it often makes me sing… here’s a video of what you point to .. with some good moves and a decent tune…. just for you arun arun…


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  9. martyn says:

    mmmm yes …Although a lot of people have turned to advaita to lose weight as part of a calorie controlled diet of not biting off more than they can chew in the higher realms. However one has to be nimble and adept.

    Nevertheless, advaita does hold some linguistic utilitarianism..for instance; when using advaita for flirting, the opening gambit ‘ Would you fancy a return to some dualism tonight ?’ can be coupled with ‘ No thanks, I’m enjoying the one in the many, but you can go on the list if you don’t mind waiting’.

    Another example for advaita is that it resembles toast in many ways , as you can put any extra sweetening jam or additional flavour on either side..it really doesn’t matter this or that side ..it’s all the same piece of unified advaita.

    Originally invented in Sweden for the long conversationless winter nights, advaita is a dry thing which depends on your imagination for making it interesting for guests. The English attempted to market a fluffy alternative to this dry as dust material, and came up with having two slices with a filling , again bringing us all the pleasure of two things filled with the joy of the third which makes one …..

    Some people really cannot be bothered with so much time spent sandwiched in between two equal and opposing thoughts and so, like Frank has done, they go off in a huff, sometimes taking all their beguiling wisdom with them. One minute they are here and the next …gone in under a minute and a huff. Which again is very much like ryvita the biscuit or advaita the insight, you can generally polish it off in next to no time.
    Leaving you free to watch John Wayne in the Duellist, both aiming high and pointing low whilst firing blanks. Yes, if these advaeaters were hired deputies, then we would always be in the OK Corral.

    Makes you think eh ?

    • Young sannyasin says:

      martyn, when i read your absurd posts i always have a vicious feeling…..are you probably something vicious. you are.

      • Lokesh says:

        Just goes to show…viciousness is in the eye of the beholder. You’re so vicious..you hit me with a flower.

        • Young sannyasin says:

          Sure! That’s another typical sannyas way….whatever you say to another…….”is just your own stuff you are projecting on me”.How many people have been manipulated in this way of doing something they would never have done in normal life? Water has passed under the bridge….thanks to Existence I don’t have to fall in your game another time.

          • satyadeva says:

            It’s not confined to sannyas, ys, projection is standard psychology. Which isn’t to say that it’s always right (or always wrong).

            As usual, it depends on the case in question.

          • Lokesh says:

            YS You are missing the point in this case. I saw Martyn’s comment as witty and you saw it as vicious. The comment is the same but our viewpoint is different. Saying something is typically sannyas is typically sannyas ad infinitum. My take is that you are not as smart as you think are. That’s something else you can thank Existence for. As you believe things to be so they appear.

      • satyadeva says:

        Well, re-reading Martyn’s ‘advaita’ post I can’t see anything “vicious” there at all, it’s just funny, absurd, yes – and as such, a good laugh.

        Btw, dictionary says vicious means addicted to vice, depraved, wicked, spiteful, malignant.

        • Young sannyasin says:

          there is no connection with the content of the post,(which by the way or it is in a code language that i don’t know,or it has no more meaning than a good gibberish) i was just describing the feeling that i get every time i read any comment from martyn.And vicious is exactly the right word for it.But there is no explanation for this as well there is no explanation for his posts.
          Projections?Sure,they are everywhere.It’s a great discovery,probably from Freud if i’m not wrong,or maybe the buddhist already know it,i was just pointing that to turn everything could be said about you into a projection from the other is very popular among sannyasin as well as others with any interest in psicology.

          • Lokesh says:

            YS, don’t worry about it. You’re probably just feeling a bit viscous. I suggest a good dose of cod-liver oil and a good night’s sleep. Get well soon.

            • Young sannyasin says:

              you also don’t need to worry about martyn. He looks pretty able to stand for himself, he don’t need a defence lawer. Strange reaction this martyn has been able to generate in this cynical infested water….lokesh + satyadeva all together he gets protecting the holy gibberish…he must be a professional something. Goodnight, by the way.

              • satyadeva says:

                If you don’t want a response apart from agreement, why bother to say anything here, ys?

                And I find your humourless response itself a rather “strange reaction” in this instance.

                (Btw, the issue is re one post, not the ‘collected works’).

              • Lokesh says:

                Trust you did not forget the cod-liver oil. Might be a good idea to borrow a pair of recycled chuddies from Shantam. Don’t want you awakening to a pile of intestinal waste in your silk sheets. Boof!

                • Young sannyasin says:

                  Hey guys…..what’s up? Did they forget to give you the tranquilizer after breakfast today at the orange retirement home? I didn’t know martyn was so important for you….Btw i’d never had silk sheets,just normal cotton ones.Maybe you are mistaking me with somebody else….

    • Lokesh says:

      It sure does Martyn. Great comment.
      Last night I was reading out some of your comments to a friend along with Frank’s and Shantam’s. We were in stiches. I don’t know how serious Shantam is with his comments but some of them are absurdly funny. He could be very successful as an offbeat stand-up comedian. Keep up the good work, for it is providing much needed humour. Big up, baba.

    • Karima says:

      No, it blows away all thinking! making non-sense of the non-sense!

    • Arun says:

      Martyn, it has indeed made me think…
      Advaita is as you say a culinary ‘dry thing that depends on your imagination for making it interesting.’ My teacher was imaginative enough to spice up his advaita discourses with some other exotic flavours, and the great thing was you never knew what you were gonna get. One day it was delicious Tantra-Tikka in coconut source with Non-Voliton Noodles, the next it was juiced-Jnana and Balti-Bhakti. I confess the Karma-Curry gave me the trots, but it was a valuable part of my journey none the less. The habit of spicing up advaita has stuck with me to this day, and no matter how many fancy flavours I add to the melting pot it always remains manifestly One Pot. As I write this I’ve just added a pinch of Sufi-salt, I would like to give it a stir but typically in the advaitist’s kitchen, ‘there is no spoon’…

  10. Arun says:

    Thanks Martyn, excellent song, great moves as promised. Now the damn tune is stuck in my head! Some would say though that advaita is not three into one, but three into ‘none’ – but as you quite rightly allude to the third option is that one defines the other, kind of like the hole in a doughnut. Have ever noticed that it’s only when you eat the hole in the middle that are you truly satisfied, and when you don’t you want another doughnut??

    • martyn says:

      For Arun : Yes yes yes …I learnt all my insights from the handy ‘Teach yourself Thinking ‘ vol 1.
      The very nature of nothing (it says in the opening chapter ) shows us how much we can think without it being of any use (pointless thought) however not all thoughts are useless ( consideration).
      If for instance you have a wobbly table leg, you could using Descartes ‘ La Pensee Humaine’ use it to steady the miscreant item into a state of balance. Similarly when I print off this blog onto my handy wi-fi printer/toilet paper dispenser all our thoughts return, recycled into their natural origins.

      • Arun says:

        A long time ago in a virtual reality not so far away…

        Martyn, some may see you as some kind of ‘vicious’ Sith Lord, but I see you for the Jolly Jedi that you really are. Your Jedi mind trick works very well it seems on the young sannyasin and I wonder if you’ve sat back and had a good chuckle at the weak-minded Storm-trooper waving you off into a galaxy of stars?

        Why has no one pointed out to the Stormtrooper (myself included) that you’re just having fun with the Force and your posts are lyrical not literal? Somehow it turned into bear (can be substituted for Wookie) baiting. Cruel sport that.

        I wonder myself sometimes at your crypticisms (is there such a word?! There is now.) For example, Descartes’ La Pensee Humaine? Did Nourisson not write that?? Could I stabilize a wobbly table with a book that doesn’t exist – or maybe that’s your point? You see how the Jedi mind trick can effect an old Stormtrooper like me who has long since hung up his helmet and laser-blaster. But on the subject of Descartes, “cogito ergo sum”, if ever the ego found a super-food to gobble up (or maybe tv dinner would be more apt), and lounge around ever since, ‘self’ satisfied, that was surely it.

        Martyn, the Force is with you…

        • Arpana says:

          You’ve posted here under another name.
          That’s a question, or a request for confirmation.
          (I recognise that voice!!!!!)

          • Arun says:

            Er, no Arpana, I have only recently arrived here ‘by post’ under a single name, kindly linked by Lokesh.

          • Lokesh says:

            Arun is a yoga teacher in my ‘hood on Ibiza. He has the best physical posture of anyone I know on the island. One might say a fine figure of a man.
            So, sorry Arpana, you’re barking up the wrong bodhi tree.

            • frank says:

              sounds like you`ve got some swankalishious dudes down there in yo` buddha `hood….

              • Lokesh says:

                Yes, Frank, Ibiza has always been a magnet for all types of ehm..er…’misfits’ is the best I can come up with, but it really does not quite sum it up. Right now on the island some kind of quickening is going on….maybe everywhere on the planet, I don’t know about that, because Ibiza’s dreamtime is very dense and absorbing and the world at large seems remote, which is one reason for choosing to live here.

        • frank says:

          so arun,
          you have “hung up your helmet and laser-blaster”.
          you`ve come to the right place..
          take shantam, for example…….
          the doctor gave him some blue pills,but his helmet is still hanging there and he just hasn’t been able to get his laser to blast since 1988-90……

          • Arun says:

            yes Frank, one can only travel at near light-speed for so long before it starts to catch up with you. It’s good to know that I’ve come to the right place though, feels like home. Arpana seems to think I’ve been here before, maybe I really have actually caught up with myself after all.

            Sorry to hear about Shantam’s space-sickness, shoulda taken the red pill…

          • Lokesh says:

            Ah sippose it’s a simpul case oave his photon condenser tube malfunctioning,

        • martyn says:

          If you can imagine the table… you can imagine the book…it is called cogitative thinking , and can be used also to imagine that this reply is of any use whatsoever…

        • Young sannyasin says:

          -Your Jedi mind trick works very well it seems on the young sannyasin -
          It seems it works much better on you,Arun….

  11. shantam prem says:

    Lokesh, I will prefer to be unemployed than to be a stand-up comedian..It is not worthy, keeping in mind most of my classmates are now in guru profession.
    My job can be “anti-guru guru”, but I know quite well, there is not much money, neither too much respect nor too many available women, playing devotee girls..
    So no job..but surely not as stand-up comedian…
    I don´t feel bad to be an outspoken Osho disciple who sometimes gets foot in the mouth syndrome ( ” I will dissolve in my sannyasins”…one can see the outcome in me)

  12. shantam prem says:

    I am fascinated by sannyasnews for the reason it is a Microcosm of original sannyas ( Not that sannyas which is given by Pune, Delhi or Kathmandu shoplifters)
    Only problem is it is virtual, not real.
    Osho´s Pune was that microcosm of universe where different people with different mindsets were learning to play the tune which was unique and path-breaking.
    That reality was neither Zen nor Sufi, neither sex nor Samadhi but simply a celebration of all that which is possible. Not a facebook but a soulbook!

  13. Lokesh says:

    Soulbook…I’ve just copyrighted the domain name.

  14. martyn says:

    Lokesh…… you write ‘ our job as seekers…’
    I have claimed this, as have many millions in the UK as ‘Job-Seekers Allow-ance’ from Her Majesty’s government….Although my claim was based on having previous experience, I never actually attempted to find what I was looking for as this would have resulted in Job-Finding, thus nullifying the truth, which would have been immoral and unethical and a viscous, glutinous lie.

  15. martyn says:

    The editors of Sunshine News wish to point out that if anyone is dissatisfied with any comments here or the quality therein, would they kindly return the comment in its original packet, in a plain brown envelope for a full replacement of two free insults plus a rude remark which can be used at any time in any subsequent article.
    The management wish to make clear that the software designed to eliminate vicious comments was mis-spelt and resulted in references to the inertial value of fluids and motor oils being banned instead.

  16. Karima says:

    Frank(ly), there is another side to cynicism. Cynicism, whattaweirdword, anyhow in my experience it’s judgement ( I don’t like it the way it is) wrapped up in some “clever” mind warp. I can’t believe I’m writing this, but I shall proceed with the sermon, only because I think I’m so clever and I like others to think that too. Soooooo……..the ozzer site is on-course, as opposite to off-course, and ze transcendance (anotherweirdword) of the two is irony, which has no judgement in it, but lovvvve, that irons everything which was crinkled smoothly into ultimate smoothnesssss…………more inf. www. mysteriousultimatesmoothness.com

  17. shantam prem says:

    The boss of facebook with his team ringing the bell at world´s biggest gamble street is the top news on every news website.
    What millions of other enterpreneurs are unable to do, what billions of other human beings are unable to do; young Messiah of facebok has done it, becoming instant billionare with his student idea!
    It is pity not many Charismatic gurus are around, otherwise Mark Zükerberg is the right fish to catch with the idea, ” Now you go for inner richness..That richness which can never fall on the Wall Street”

    • Lokesh says:

      Shantam, how do you know that? How do you know that MR FB is the right fish. You can’t possibly know anything much about him. He looks like a young guy doing the right thing at the right time n the material world, but who knows?
      That’s the whole thing about judging people; you don’t really know who a person is on the inside. Maybe we reincarnate millions of times. Maybe we have all been Kings, Queens, Rock Stars, Rich and Famous, afterall the universe has plenty of time and space to play a million roles in.
      Long before I met any wise guys I found out by myself that you can never really tell what level of consciousness some people are operating from. Besides, maybe tomorrow MR FB’s Gulfstream comes down on a transatlantic flight and is last heard of three hundred kilometres south of the Azores. I would not want to trade places with the guy. Being a billionaire is no guarantee against suffering in life. We are all on the same leaky boat. We all need to learn how to swim before it sinks and money won’t help you then.

  18. Teertha says:

    Re the nature of a given poster’s writing — many people who regularly post online do so in altered states of consciousness. For example, I’d be willing to bet $100 that some of Martyn’s posts are composed after he’s smoked a doobie (or two). Possibly the same with Frank. (And I usually enjoy both, so that’s no moral comment).

    Aleister Crowley wrote much of his 1,000 page autobiography on heroin and cocaine. Gurdjieff wrote much of his ‘Beelezebub’s Tales to His Grandson’ while drinking French brandies. Osho dictated books on nitrous oxide. And I wrote much of my recent work ‘Rude Awakening’ while enjoying good stout BC pale ale.

    As to the matter of Lokesh’s opening post — good stuff, and above all to be commended for using his intelligence to arrive at his own conclusions, instead of just riding off of the shoulders of Osho, Ramana, or anyone else of the Sat Pack. There is this lingering residue of religious programming that many sannyasins seem to still carry, that being the fear of assessing one’s own guru, and one’s own relationship to that guru. It’s a carry over of religious conditioning that to assess one’s own ‘god’ is to be punished. It has infected many — a good example being a guy who has posted here a few times I think, a certain Swami Heeren, who, in his recent review of Subhuti’s book, referred to my own book as a ‘slanderous, anti-Osho’ work…

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/My-Dance-Madman-Anand-Subhuti/dp/1905399634/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1337383620&sr=1-1

    …which is nonsense, given that my book runs 80-90% supportive of Osho, and I’ve been accused by other authors of being an ‘Osho apologist’. But this is what happens when devotees of a guru are incapable of critical assessment.

    A thing I appreciate about this message board is that it is the only sannyas board I’m aware of that has intelligent posters who are not caught in the grip of religious programming that blocks their ability to assess matters, or even to cultivate some of the Joker’s energy. In older times only the Joker could criticize the king, everyone else risked losing their head to do so. The Fool of the Tarot is all about that inner freedom that is not bound by fear-based conditioning. I think Osho himself deeply embodied the Fool archetype.

    • frank says:

      PT,
      less of the slanderous writing please!
      i would like to make it clear that i have not “smoked a doobie”as you put it,or any other stuff,since way back in the last millenium.
      that,in crowleyan terms,is a previous aeon!
      so you lose your virtual $100!

      poor old swami herrenvolk.
      the first para of his review says it all.
      referencing the gospels as some kind of explanation of oshos life.
      poor bloke`s obviously got some splinters from the holy cross stuck up his ass,and the infections gone to his brain.
      but i like the guy,
      he should come here more often.
      it would be like guantanamo for him here on jackass news.
      even the most hardened orange-clad,bearded,longhaired,fanatical religionist will lose his faith faced with some of the torturers we have here.
      forget waterboarding
      we would set the vicious martyn onto him.
      with his slanderous satire,preposterous puns and redicudicrous neologisms,
      he`ll be begging for mercy in no time….

  19. Lokesh says:

    Top comment Teertha, thanks. You have the right name and I’m quite sure I’d enjoy to sit down and have a bottle BC pale ale with you, although I’m not really a drinking man.
    My favorite drink is Baron De L. Two bottles shared with three friends and you have a grin on your face and see your two companions as two of the most enlightened people you know. A great wine and therefore doesn’t come cheap. Highly recommended!

  20. martyn says:

    I would like to put paid to the viscous, wishful, facile, fish-faced, vacuous, facetious, visceral, venal, vestigial, viperous, verses, of fatuous, vicarious and voiceless lies regarding my vernacular herein (not heeren).
    I have not smoked a doobie doo wah wahh since 1989, nor partaken of any other drugs since 1979 of any kind.I cannot drink alcohol past one glass of beer as it gives me headaches.Nor do I like its taste much or its effects.I have never drunk liquor of any kind ever.. yukki yukk.
    My bizarre style of commenting comes from god knows where.I can tell you that I enjoyed four months of training in Commedia dell’ Arte with Antonio Fava’s troupe of merry improvisers.And yes the tradition of fast paced storytelling done on the hoof still enchants me. I’m a fan of buffoonery since I was a child , and my father entertained the troops as a song and dance man on their days off from the awfulness. He introduced me to the arts of commedia through laurel and hardy. I am privileged to say I started my rebel jesting at an English public school, with those who went on to greater heights than me in this field. Their work endures in famous BBC series of tomfoolery, and in touring commedia theatre companies.
    I write , affected by the implicit spirit of the one and only Osh,who made me laugh my tits off and gave me energy darshan that evidenced the nature of his joy .That was the most intoxicating joyous event of my sannyas and was hysterically shattering. I had just the one energy darshan.
    So I talk from a place of my own affinities and inclinations. There is no loss or gain here for me, i just try to use as many various influences as possible , to colour in the art of conversing and play. And i’m far too disorganised and incapable to ever charge for the mischief, so I just do what comes naturally , for free. I also don’t get out much.And if it doesnt make me giggle I don’t post. I don’t believe in therapy or religious identity getting anyone anywhere significant, through the limited personalities and other challenges we face in life. But I do believe and experience that the joy of play and generative transparency that good comedy both charms and entrances with, is a gift of the gods, with greater benefit than all striving and immediately accessible to the wonder-welcoming child in us all.

    Next week in the psychiatrists chair ….

  21. martyn says:

    Ps Frank ,
    I thought you were supposed to be on holiday in North Korea….? What happened?

  22. shantam prem says:

    Just saw the Champions league final. I can understand now, why football is the most loved “religion” on the earth. I wanted to watch with awareness without taking any side, but became difficult not to get identified with Bayern, May be for the reason i am living in Germany.
    Millions of football fans pray for their side to the same divine God yet only one side wins..
    I prefer Win Win..It is no good to be be happy at the cost of others.

    • frank says:

      also i was watching champions league final….
      competition for stewardship of oshos vision,like both sides praying to the god, but only one winning, has led once again to the white (and brown) skinned subjects of her majesty emerging victorious in a spiritual competition…
      also i was identifying with bayern and against corrupt organisation led by billionaire CEO who has ripped off his own people,but once again,due to rotation system by caretaker manager in the squad of 21, i am supporting losing side!
      bayern was leaving me their dream,but cruelly snatched away by striker for english team claiming osho and fate was on his side….
      also visiting goalkeeper resisting black magic attack from german cultists and fans, leading to failure on home turf for traditional religious team with long and glorious history!
      i prefer the win win,but due to astrological consideration,i am pisces,not having feet to kick ball i only experience the lose/lose…
      anyone who has read a bit of porn must have inner child!

    • Lokesh says:

      White skin referee was obvious disciple of nappy king, reading book but not getting message. Too busy asking who am I?

  23. martyn says:

    Shantam , you are just being potentially vacuous. And you know you can beat us all at that game ..no matter how hard we try to match you.
    I shall now take cover behind the sofa, to avoid the shower of invective that will undoubtedly return from the blogosphere

  24. martyn says:

    Lokesh and Frank, you really are so inner childish….our beloved referee here is simply being feckless.That’s no excuse to impugn his humble, though witless, syllogism.
    Frank, he may be feckless, but your impunity is at risk if you continue to ascribe him a lascivious mendacity.
    We don’t like lascivious here on SN.

  25. shantam prem says:

    Many times it is like this, “Slaves have only one wish, not to be free but to have their own slaves”.
    Many prisoners spend their last years in peace, most probably for the reason, till now they really get the message from the wise books in the prison library “Inner freedom is more important, rest of all is transitory.”

  26. shantam prem says:

    Almost every week some cotton growing farmer in the Vidarbha region of maharashtra, few hundred kms. away from Pune commits suicide.
    When a poor farmer on the bottom of Indian success story takes the extreme step to get free from the traps of money lenders it has its social implications but when a wealthy educated American like Mary Richardson Kennedy hangs herself to death, it has also the elements of spiritual hollowness prevailing in that society.
    I wonder whether Late Mary Kennedy had ever got the chance to read Osho, as for many people the magic of Osho books has opened new doors to encounter the usual life problems.

  27. Lokesh says:

    Slaves have only one wish, not to be free but to have their own slaves. Yes, of course that is soooooo true. Oarsmen, ramming speed!
    The magic of Osho books has opened new doors to encounter the usual life problems. Yes, of course. Why didn’t I think of that as an explanation for the sannyassin suicides that took place in Poona One? Some people took what Osho was saying literally. Like jump into the unknown and then that Argentinian sannyassin jumped off the Bund Garden Bridge and landed on the rocks.
    Shantam, I think you could make a career out of detective work Or should I say Sherlock Shantam…SS for short?

  28. martyn says:

    After reading your life-draining posts, me old Shantwindbag ..I know just how people can lose the will to…..

  29. shantam prem says:

    I have heard, those who love reach the kingdom of God..
    Does it mean it is overfull with people and there is a signboard at entrance gate, “100% Occupancy.. No Vaccancy”
    Who knows people with the slogen love life laughter are in the best heavenly area, like 1,Hyde Park!
    If that is the case, Advaita people will look at that building compound, the way Britishers look at Oligarchs!

    • frank says:

      as sri sri eric morecambe used to say…
      “there`s no answer to that…”

    • Preetam says:

      Yes, a world without British machinations would be a lot more peaceful.

      What I find frustrating – maybe see me paranoid – is that In my view, there is a force at work, only one goal in mind, to submit people and exploit them for their fascist ideas of ownership and domination. This group has a huge advantage compared to the group of all the enlightened. They are pulling all together with one single pull against Humanity. It’s organized and carries out unconditionally to the order and structure of destabilizing Humanity in every possible way. On the other hand, the various Enlightened Ones and Co-Enlightened discussing about true innocence, the highest truth and who is the greatest, most shining light of selves and who is only a faker. Isn’t it possible for the Co-Enlightened to bring it together, with the same focus on freedom, pulling in one direction, or do “they” already do so?

      Make a worldwide election: Let the people decide what they want to have, War, starvation and oppression… or Peace?

      Isn’t it infantile hoping for the divine, managing it, when Humanity is the divine manager in it “self”?

      • Young sannyasin says:

        What about that:the Co-Enlightened and the other group who pull against humanity are very near to each other, they go in the same places ’cause this group follows the potential of humanity to study how they behave, in order to create new ways to control them again in this “new age”? One of these places could be the notorious ex-ashram, now meditation resort in Pune? It makes sense?

      • frank says:

        how are you going to get the enlightened ones to pull together?
        jkrishnamurti branded osho “a criminal” who had “lost his enlightenment”
        osho said jk was just a “solo flute” compared to his “full orchestra”.
        ug krishnamurti said osho was a “pimp”
        osho said ug was awakened but “just ordinary”
        to osho, dalai lama was “his phoniness”
        etc etc etc
        my god, being enlightened makes you as bitchy as a gay fashion designer!!
        ….and as for the modern advaitists.
        despite trying,no one has ever been able to get them to sit in the same room!!

  30. martyn says:

    and then it all went quiet….shhh.

    I know ‘ , said a little voice at the back, ‘why don’t we mention something more useful and contemporary…and fun…?’
    ‘oh you mean ,like the Ranch?’ said another.
    There was then the sound of many footsteps all scurrying towards the exit doors…

  31. Lokesh says:

    Ehm..er..after reading SS’s latest post I am also running for the exit door….dirty Britishers!

    • frank says:

      anyone who has read a few war comics with his inner child can understand!
      gott in himmel, britischer pigdogs have plundered our glorious religion aaarghh..
      donnerwetter! and bayern munchen hev lost to ze black englanders and russian oligarchs. teufel!

  32. frank says:

    yes, it’s gone quiet, i can only assume all the jackassnews contributors have realised that life is not a problem to be solved and have gone out to live the mystery……

  33. shantam prem says:

    Life is a mystery to be lived and not a problem to be solved; is there a need to give absolute statements, and most of the time out of context and many times in irrelevant situations? I think it must have taken around 25 seconds for Osho to speak this sentence in a discourse of 90+ minutes.
    Is not life has many shades?
    Are not problems part of this bloody/sugar-coated/sour mystery…?

  34. shantam prem says:

    Just came across a website, http://www.oshosearch.net.
    I typed the search for “My commune”. 239 articles were found, where Osho has spoken about His vision about commune.
    I typed the search again as ” My Resort”
    and the result, let me paste it-
    Found: 0 articles, showing 0 – 0
    Search time: 0.001 seconds.

    It simply means from Osho Commue to Osho Resort is one of the finest forgeries of our times. Few people have secured their grip on the property but at what a huge Cost!

  35. Lokesh says:

    SS says, ‘I typed the search again as ” My Resort”
    and the result, let me paste it-
    Found: 0 articles, showing 0 – 0
    Search time: 0.001 seconds.’

    Maybe it’s a secret.

  36. shantam prem says:

    whenever i see a Zero(0), i am thrilled..it feels like entering into mystery…just the otherday, seen one more zero added in my bank statement.
    It was Satori!
    (Evolution of Ramana Advaita)

    • Lokesh says:

      Having one hundred euros in your bank account is not really a big deal in Europe, Shantam. It’s generally considered bad form in the Lions Club to mention any aspects of financial life. I suggest you keep such information to yourself, or others might get the wrong impression and think you are stupid or something. This could have a knock-on effect and give the general public the wrong impression about sannyasins. Never forget that the new religion is like a silent fart that can cross invisible boundaries and have a powerful impact on people’s lives to the extent that they sit up straight and ask urgent questions.

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