Shantam Comments
Love love love, meditation mediation, meditation..Enlightenment, Nirvana…Godliness. All is so light, so easy, that unbearable lightness of being.
BUT – My God, who will carry the burden of doubts, jealousy, intrigue, manipulation and a deep deep desire to be loved and appreciated by the patriarch!
The Master was speaking, the disciples were listening to the talks. They became legendary books, things were really going fine, as long as Master was in command.
Quite average and low sighted people also learn from their mistakes, what to say about a Master like Osho, who had such a burning vision to change the way religion is done. Almost like creating a modern mobile religion.Telephone which is free from the burden of cables and also has photo camera and music facility too.
It somehow pains me to see that whereas the late Steve Jobs could fulfill his mission of making Apple one of the leading brand in his sector. Osho´s unique religious flavour is confined into the world of books and some cuttings on facebook. Once in a while some meditation camp or by the way, some therapy leader mentioning Osho…..
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If someone tells now, that famous punch line, Sannyas or Suicide, they will look almost like a delusional case from a psychiatric hospital.
Hundreds of videos of the Poona two phase are the living proof of how Osho was pumping his energy out into the present gathering and into the cosmos. If the impact of that energy has got diluted, the burden is not on Osho, but on His people who did all kind of things to puncture the tube!
This thread I wish to dedicate to those negative emotions which are lurking in all of us. The presence of the other, who are of the same league and have the capacity to shake our comfort zone, they get the poisonous taste of them.
I hope participants and readers will share their impressions about those negative emotions, who are ignored by the talk of love, yet they play havoc, almost like cricket spinners whose left hand underarm googlies change the fate of the game.
You said.
‘Quite average and low sighted people also learn from their mistakes, what to say about a Master like Osho, who had such a burning vision to change the way religion is done.’
Cant believe I’m saying this , but I absolutely agree with you Shantam.
I’m sure this is part of his working method. Trial and error.
If anyone is responsibile for puncturing the tube I’d say it was Osho himself. Many people gave everything to keep the commune going. Somehow that was not enough. Osho was not as involved with pumping the energy out as many of his sannyasins were. Osho drove by in a luxury car and then returned to the comfort of his home, while the busy worker bees slogged on.
I think the heart of the problem lay in the idea that Osho projected the idea that he was selfless and perhaps actually believed it himself. Along with the idea of complete selflessness comes the idea of being totally conscious, which implies that the selfless one is no longer under the power of the unconscious. The reason that a guru has to present themself as selfless is that it makes it far more attractive to prospective disciples to surrendeer to that person because it appears like there is no element of self interest on the master’s side of the deal, meaning that you can safely place your trust in the guru. If the guru gave the appearance of having unconscious motivations like sex, power, greed etc it would be far more difficult to surrender to the guru. That is why Catholic sannyasins have a big problem explaining away Osho’s cars and drug addiction for they are clear indicators that Osho may not have been entirely free of unconscious motivations, because he obviously enjoyed those things. This of course raises the question of a master being beyond it all and then getting himself involved with things that are normally reserved for those who are supposed to be mired in maya. Enter Zorba the Buddha, the man who can have his cake and eat it too.
One of the hurdles that I encounter when airing my views on this site are created by Catholic sannyasins who seek to undermine what I am saying by claiming I am only seeing things through my ego, rather than raising questions which need to be raised if we are to get to the heart of things and people including Osho. If you don’t raise those questions you are simply a lost sheep bleating in the darkness of an endless night of ignorance.
The idea that Osho was coming from a fully conscious position of unconditional love is the stuff of dreams, because his uncoditional love was based on you surrendering to him, which in itself is a condition. By presenting an ideal based on selflessness the ground is made ready for the repression of the unconscious and the covering up of selfish motivations. Enter the Lord of Curruption and Deceit. Anyone who denies that they are under the power of the unconscious has their work cut out for them, because that process involves an increase of the power of the unconscious and an undermining of the awareness that one needs to keep on one’s toes to keep an eye on what the unconscious is up to.
Osho put himself in a position of knowing it all. He had to because that is what the role of guru dictates.The all-seeing one who knew exactly what was going on and thus made himself appear infallible. But he was not infallible, as history shows. He made some major bo-boos. I suspect that might be a source of a lot of those negative emotions Shantam is pointing to. The part the sannyasins played in this negative energy drama was that they did and, in many cases, still do place responsibility for what is going on in their lives into Osho’s hands. They believe or believed that Osho knew what was best for them, instead of deciding themselves. This leaves people in a childish state wherein negative emotions have the clear possibility of running their course unchecked.
Bit rich this endless knowing, bragging, pontificating about what went on at the ranch, when you weren’t even there.
Apart from the fact that OSHO DUMPED YOU thirty years ago.((:
Make sure I’ve got this right.
The only reason anyone would disagree with you is because that person is a catholic sannyasin, a bigot, completely unable to see the whole picture, but when you disagree with anyone that’s because you are all wise, all knowing and all seeing, and you tower like a colossus over Osho.
Well. Good to be clear about these things.
Showing in a cinema near you, ‘Arpana and the Leafless Tree’. A tale of one man’s heroic fight against anything he did not understand. Co-staring Chetna, a woman in search of nothing in India’s holy city of Rishikesh. Filmed in glowing Projectavision by Shree(any colour but white)Shantam. Songs by Kavita, including her global hit, ‘I’m just sitting on a fence’. Produced by Osho, the man who was never born and never died and only visited planet earth for a wee while, before leaving for Alpha Centauri, where he was last seen in a Rolls Royce showroom.
The list goes on, a cast of thousands and all that. Sorry if you feel left out but it is just an ego trip anyway.
Fascinating. You even project yourself projecting.
Arpana’s above comment is a good example of what I meant when I said, ‘This leaves people in a childish state wherein negative emotions have the clear possibility of running their course unchecked.’
Sad innit? Here’s me splashing around in the pool, while you, who can’t swim, criticise me from the safety of the bank.
It is very easy to see the state of mind/mood from the writings on this site. And I think it is really irrelevant what was and was not. I think the right question is “what are YOU made of today?”
If you are made of hate towards Osho-you are hate, full love-you are love etc.etc.
Lokesh has a lot words, so he is certainly far from silence. And to be with godliness/Osho/ you need to learn silence.
I recently went to a satsang of Prem Baba in Rishikesh. First reaction-let’s judge him, but then I decided to learn something from him, to become quiet. And I did learn and it was very beneficial to me. So it only showed to me once again, the other is not the problem, the ME is!
Lokesh says “Osho drove by in a luxury car and then returned to the comfort of his home, while the busy worker bees slogged on.” My next question and what did Osho do after his drive?
I think the answer is – NOTHING! Can you do nothing all day long? I cannot. So there is certainly much more to learn from Osho than his Rolls Royce.
PS Good post by Shantam.
what are “negative emotions”
and who decides that they`re negative?
“negativity” was always and still is in the osho movement as in pretty much all “religious” movements.a tag reserved for anyone who doesnt tow the line.
one mans negativity is another mans vision of truth.
looking at everything about osho,like looking at life itself is like looking at one of those gestalt pictures made up simultaneously of a cup and two faces looking at each other.
you look and look how ever hard you look at it one way,the image you see eventually swings to the other and you see the opposite figure and back again endlessly.
if you try and see both together its really hard,you can never quite do it.
so you have to go from one view to the other.
the catholic sannyasins are desperately trying to hold their view one way.
some one like christopher calder is desperately trying to hold onto seeing it the other way.
if you let go and just allow your vision and your mind to keep moving,
just going with whatever appears naturally,the image becomes an heuristic experience….
so,oneness can be discovered in the total acceptance of duality and contradiction,
not in engaging in a continuous and unwinnable battle to wipe out one side of it…
thats what “rascal saints” claiming to be “ghengis khan and laotse both”
and going beyond good and evil
is all about,isn`t it?
Pretty good.
‘Lokesh has a lot words, so he is certainly far from silence.’
Is this judgment limited to me or does it extend to other people, Osho for instance? He has more words than anyone I know…hundreds of books full of them. Does that mean he was far from silence also?
Chetna asks, ‘My next question and what did Osho do after his drive? And then answers ‘nothing’.’ That is simply not true. He read thousands of books. Watched movies. Threw shoes at his girlfriend. Ate chappatis after astral travelling. Enjoyed the silence and probably had a good laugh about the legacy he was going to leave behind for people to argue the toss about.
Chetna, if you you think the right question to ask is, quote ‘“what are YOU made of today?” offyou go. From the outside it looks like self-righteousness, but who am I to say? As Osho so rightly taught it is only stupid people who judge other people, because what you are judging is only on the surface and a human being runs much deeper than that. In my extended comment above I covered a few topics and asked a few questions. What you choose to focus on is simply the things that most of the mainstream sannyasins will focus on…hoo hum.
Chetna concludes by asking, ‘Can you do nothing all day long?’ I have to be honest and answer yes. My problem is that my darling partner gets on my case about it and that is why right now I have to go and trim a tree’s branches in order to stop it turning into a Triffid.
Lots of love. Lokesh
chetna,
“can you do nothing all day long”?
it seems an odd way to ask a man to prove himself!
however,for myself,i can answer in the affirmative
you could have asked my mum and dad..
they would have testified for me.
not only did they say i did nothing,but i was even “good” for nothing…
excuse me,i must go and rest my hand now
and damn it,my automatically rewinding swiss watch has started again.
when you get to my level of cosmic consciousness,just a coupla mails to sn constitutes a busy day.
i`m going back to bed….
Just came across an Osho Video from Pune at facebook. It is posted on the top of my page(shantam prem).
Please watch (I don´t know how to copy the link and post it here) and feel is there any strain of Rajeeshpuram at Osho´s face or in the energy around. Many times one can hear him saying during this phase,” This evening is beautiful. Your presence has made it even more beautiful”.
This is what i have said, ” Osho was pumping the energy of the beyond”.
One can also ask, why one does not see such video clips in the Soso resort?
Who gave the authority to 2, 3 people to demolish that Podium, a symbolic bond of Master-disciple, where generation of new Osho seekers would have felt the same atmosphere?
Was this podium made from the same stuff as those environmentally friendly paper packing one gets with Big Mac?!
I still think this is a dead ringer for jerry springer….
‘carnivore says don’t touch my worship of a vegetarian ,while gay devotee admits to tangling with scots millionaire who complains of Rolls Royces to prove spiritual point to woman who speaks of her love of silence and no artificial additives….
btw chetna,
is that the prem baba who picks his own ayahuasca?
another whackjob with a beard sitting on a throne blasted off his ego on some brew or other and doing the “i`m so holy” routine and milking the barnum effect as a load of trippers grovel at his feet trying to get a piece of the action…
dont you think some of these characters should detox a bit from some of their hyper inflationary drug-addled delusions about themselves?
i met a guru the other day.
he pulled a couple of pills out of his pocket.
“this one is called extasy and this ones called fantasy”
i said “have you tried this one?”pulling a mint out of my pocket
“what`s that called?”
“reality”
you should try it sometime….
The point is not what Osho was or was not doing when he was not in his Rolls. The point is, what are we doing with our mind? The idea that the mind is supposed to be silent all the time is simply wrong. Hakuin (whom Osho admired) made mince meat of this faulty view three centuries ago when he derided most Zen practitioners as being “lumps of coal in black robes” because they were failing to inquire into matters.
Meditation has two components: witnessing, and inquiry.
If we only witness and never inquire, we become a lump of coal in a robe (sooner or later). Our consciousness becomes dull, space-cadet-ish.
If we only inquire, but never witness, we get too caught up in the mind and become neurotic. We all know that one.
The idea is to sustain a balance between witnessing and inquiry. One provides the clarity, the other prevents stupidity, dullness, space-cadetery from seeping in.
From what I’ve noticed of this board in my sporadic visits here, is that Lokesh, Parmartha, and maybe one or two others, seem to be the only ones who are trying to think for themselves, that is, trying to come to their own unique understanding of matters — trying to periodically inquire. Most everyone else is essentially parroting Osho. JCPenny was interesting in that he essentially went around pulling everyone’s pants down, preventing small-town sleepiness from seeping in, but he seems to be gone from here.
In life, we can be either a hawk or a parrot. A hawk lives more intensely, because he is seeking to realize truth for *himself*. He may be stumbling, he may appear arrogant or even (gasp) ungrateful, but at least he seeks the measure of his own understanding.
A parrot satisfies himself with mimicking the understanding of others. Sannyasins have to drop the parrot, and become a hawk. Was Osho a hawk or a parrot? You decide.
Some absolutely great comments and a few good laughs too. Big up to Sannyasnews for helping promote,,ehm…Osho’s vision?
I’m sure I can dig up an appropriate quote from the Osho vault to celebrate the occasion.
‘All the religions are collective, they belong to the crowd. AND MY WHOLE EFFORT IS TO MAKE YOU FREE FROM THE CROWD and from the collective SO THAT YOU CAN BE YOURSELF, so that you can blossom to your own potentiality, to your individuality. I am an individualist.
My vision about man is that he needs no organization. He needs freedom from all organizations. All organizations cripple him, blind him, destroy him. THE LIFE OF THE ORGANIZATION IS THE DEATH OF THE INDIVIDUAL. Because the organization demands obedience. It is not a question of right and wrong. It is a question that you should obey whatever is written in the scriptures, whatever is ancient, whatever has been always followed. You should not question.
My state is just the opposite: YOU SHOULD QUESTION EVERYTHING. It is your life. And unless you question, you cannot get rid of garbage and crap. All the religions ask you to believe. My vision is that THE GREATEST CRIME AGAINST YOURSELF IS BELIEVING, because believing means: you don’t know, yet you start feeling as if you know.
Nice quotes lokesh
which book?
(it should be from pune 2 for sure!)
Sounds of good will, but these Organizations never will allow disobedience at all. Ok, a few “crazy” individualist are allowed, but that must do. Or do you believe “my friends” will give up their wealth and leave Humanity in peace, cute.
I am having a Link, its pity only German, couldnt find a translated version.
http://www.internetloge.de/symhandb/symb.htm
Beautiful quotation….
Such words inspire to ask for the accountability from any one who is the organization in the name of Osho.
In spite of these words, Osho has created himself an organization or was it born afterwards?
One of the main question is to ask, is the organization around Osho is frozen or flowing, and this question is not a headache for those who are not in the need of such things.
Quite often Sunday evenings have some kind of melancholy in the air, so this time the ringing bells from the Church just pulled me in. I was surprised to see a handsome gathering, when shops are closed, people must have come to the middle of the town church only for the evening mass.
I am not a Christian neither i have that good command on German language to understand everything, still at some time i could feel tears in my eyes and a gratitude for Osho too, that it is because of Him, there is no wall between this and that religious place, i have no brand loyalty…
I find it is quite childish to take a stand pro or contra, even for abortion or against abortion..Only concern should be, those who want to avail the choice, have the best clinical facilities….
Shantam, a beautiful quotation it might be, but reading your latest post it seems to me that you are missing an essential part of it, and that is contained in the following sentence, which to me is an absolue jewel: ‘THE LIFE OF THE ORGANIZATION IS THE DEATH OF THE INDIVIDUAL.’
You say, ‘One of the main question is to ask, is the organization around Osho is frozen or flowing, and this question is not a headache for those who are not in the need of such things.’
Frozen or flowing makes no difference, Shantam. You, of all people, who are constantly rattling on about Osho’s legacy. I’d say the following is a big part of that legacy.’My vision about man is that he needs no organization.’ I’m sorry, Shantam, you simply don’t get it. This does not create a headache for people like myself, even though trying to communicate with you often feels like I am banging my head against a brick wall.
Tilopa, in answer to your question: The Last Testament.
Let Me Die A Youngman’s Death
Let me die a youngman’s death
not a clean and inbetween
the sheets holywater death
not a famous-last-words
peaceful out of breath death
When I’m 73
and in constant good tumour
may I be mown down at dawn
by a bright red sports car
on my way home
from an allnight party
Or when I’m 91
with silver hair
and sitting in a barber’s chair
may rival gangsters
with hamfisted tommyguns burst in
and give me a short back and insides
Or when I’m 104
and banned from the Cavern
may my mistress
catching me in bed with her daughter
and fearing for her son
cut me up into little pieces
and throw away every piece but one
Let me die a youngman’s death
not a free from sin tiptoe in
candle wax and waning death
not a curtains drawn by angels borne
‘what a nice way to go’ death
Roger McGough
Enjoyed answers from Lokesh and Frank.
Frank-yes, he is the one. The energy is pretty good and of course the satsang is full of sannyasins (ex I should say).
Osho’s quote is spot on, that’s why I stick around this man.
full of old sannyasins,eh?
well,there`s a surprise!
those satsang junkies will do anything for another fix….
altho`,satsang, like any drug,when the effect starts to wear off you need bigger doses or to introduce another drug to keep it all going..
enter the brown sludge dealers……..
and ayahuasca is not a drug its “medicine”.
thats what an ayahuascero told me the other day.
i said “but do you need to take medicine for the rest of your life?
if you do that,doesnt it mean you`re still suffering from the sickness?”
i got the distinct impression he thought i was being negative…
No Organizations..Yes Sir..
May God fullfill the wishes for all those who are born in the most organized countries of the world, where from cradle to grave every single step is organized!
Wonder is even if such people are born in the most remote parts of the world, with in days some kind of organization will take place…After all, one needs a plastic card to organize daily life.
Only request is, don´t call it Masters Card!!
Shree Shantam, I suggest you lay off the methylated spirits that you are washing your boot polish sandwiches down with.
Seems like a lot of people are having virtual relationships with a long dead master WItHiN themselves…which I THINK SHOULD BE CONSIDERED..(I’m typing loudly after understanding WHAT LOKESH QuOtEd as BEINg VerY IMpoRTANT ) as I was saying should be considered for an olympic sport..or perhaps the olympics for those who don’t have all their faculties…Of course they should be provided the full facilities as Shant-Ham says elsewhere to fully indulge themselves for their own benefit.Likewise if anyone can suggest why at least fifty percent of the sannyasins I can remember were absolute scheisters in the name of all things Osh..could they kindly write in and suggest which Olympic sport I should enter…could they address their postcard to
Sport Relief
Phil Betta
Abbott Yesil Rd
nr Gitika Running Jump Sports Shop
London.
Martyn, yes I hear what you are saying. I copied and pasted the aforementioned Osho quote from a website. Someone else thought they should highlight certain bits of the quote and therefore used upper case. I thought to myself and came up with Tim Learys last words, why not. and did what the Beatles suggested, let it be.
Nonetheless, I reckon it is a good quote, which was relevent to what was being said at the time.
Olympic sport? How high diving?
Aye tis true tis a jolly good quote it be aye…You’ll not be writin aboot them Rollers then tonite….? Ach no, yee’ve gotta mention ees one lest tayme.. ye know fer ol time’s sake…
here, ay’ll start yees off..
Feckin Rolls Royces rss rsss shite bollox, aym alreet dont yu worry aboot mee jack , feckin gurrrruuuu…
Ay rite, av hid aboot ah the steem am gonnae gett oot eh they auld bangers the reel big yin wiz say fond eh dryvin.
Nin the less, neu reports are kimmin in aboot thon fella Subhootyies neu ‘tell it ah’ bouk. Reely hoat deskriptshuns oh Ohshow’s sexx sesshuns wee cumlee besooms. He wiz apparentlee big oan karizma, but a wee bit shoart ohn stay in powar, like maist eh they arubbs oar there in chapateeland. A thenk Franco is maybee rite about thon Rumi fella, like maist oh thay arubbs, they urah bunch o’ truffle badgurs. Keep it tae yer sell, like. Ah dinnae waant ma fans tae thenk am a rachist.
us tha reet?
he wa shaaggin hi sen senseless an steamin allataim i wa thunkin he wair enlaitned?
ul be onnis wuya
a wuz a but o e bampot mesailf at th taime, y`noo
Aye, Frakie, am wee ye aw the way like. Am steel a wee bit ay a bampot macell, but am no a truful badgur.
“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing
and rightdoing there is a field.
I’ll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass
the world is too full to talk about.”
Rumi
Thats the point to me, this world is the spiritual abundance of our “Self”.
that rumi poem is clearly about him and his boyfriend meeting for a crafty shag in the fields.
kind of medieval ode to dogging.
and he managed to pass it off as mystic poetry.
he was good.
Yes, possible… if you mention it so.
Hardly crafty Frankie.
More or less, there is no Organization around the people, who were once sannyasins or still count them as sannyasins. Does it mean these people have fulfilled their destiny, are they walking, talking and doing things better then their neighbours?
Surely they can tell to the children, ” After spending many years in an ashram in India, we finally found out there was no need to go any where. So learn from our life and just walk around the shopping malls in the suburbs.
The matter of the fact is Osho had left a bubbling and kicking system behind Him. Photos speak better than the words and action are even sharper than photos.
Master or common man, it does not matter what one says or preaches, it is the actions which play the biggest role. As i said, in the main article, Osho has learnt from His mistake, not to put all the eggs in one basket, therefore during Pune 2, He had many numbers of people as secretaries and Ambassadors to many countries. I am not in the habit to check this and that book to find the relevant quotations, but if i rely on my memory, i have heard few times, His insistence that there won´t be concentration of power in few hands and even these few hands will go on changing. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely is spoken during last years of his life.
It is really a unique gesture of Osho that instead of choosing a successor, He has taken 20 disciples simultaneously to represent the anatomy of His work. He must be very sure about their trust and capabilities, the way these people were bowing before Him, giving the impression of complete merger in Him.
How these main 20 people, few of them well known therapists, esoteric masters, deep devoted disciples ended the orchestra, and how two or three people have got complete control by kicking on the ass of their colleagues is worth a plot for a thriller. Tragic part is we were supposed to transcend the childish jealousy and fear based pre-emptive strikes!
One solution, which is the easiest, is to blame the water in the swimming pool for cold and drowning accidents and therefore take an oath, we are going to learn swimming in the dry pools..One never gets the cold and also no need of lifeguards around the pools…
During the time of recession, Sannyasins can sell this idea to all the swimming pools getting open for the new season..I hope, at least this indigenous idea born out of Sannyas will get some acceptance in the mainstream world!
Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty.
Ronald Reagan
How damm ironic!
Exactly.
“mixed metaphors confuse
and absolutely mixed metaphors confuse absolutely.”
— lord fracton
Prologue
Spiritual masters are like entrepreneurs in any other sector. Surely, Marc Zukerberg has a right to have the concentrated control over his company-Facebook, . Similarly, Veeresh can do anything about his humanversity.but it cannot be said about any manager or CEO or those people who will inherit these empires.
Awakened souls like Osho have earned their rights to dictate the direction of their work, whether they want it to continue after their departure or not, is their prerogative.
If the Jayesh Amrito duo, who have the privilege also to be handcuffed with Osho during American Odyssey, at least show some courtesy to listen to the voices of those, who are equally capable and Worthy to share their interpretations of Osho. It is a black spot on Osho´s work that a master who had more than half million disciples could not create more than 5, 10 people who will not spoil the party!
One man is deciding the fate of Osho movement for more than 23 years, even Osho was not that much time on the driver’s seat. I find it quite disgusting.
They have the right to live in the ivory towers of their make believe world like everybody else, but don´t make it swallowed by other people.
I am sure, they will take a different course than Dr. Bashar al Assad of Syria. Just because there is no blood oozing revolt does not mean their is no dictatorship at the main seat of Osho.
I request through this website to the bosses at Pune to create an inviting energy, like the slogan of sannyasnews, “welcomes all sannyasins”.
Thanks for ignoring all those feelings i am pouring through my words….
Maybe Osho has been handcrafted only for the purpose, that both of your “friends” are with him handcraft. That is a possible practice of my “friends”, creating situations for a wanted result. An exemplar, how can one not conjecture if not getting true Information.
Betrayer She… did preparatory work, and Shantam’s “friends” the Rest… for a Commune under UK control and common use, in term of world Organisation for keeping Humanity under their control.
Shantam , I kind of doubt that most people writing on this site are particularly concerned about the issues that you feel so passionate about. I also suspect that most readers probably are not that interested either. I myself find your one-man crusade completly boring. As a matter of interest let’s see if anyone else cares to comment in either a positive or negative way. Sorry old chap but my feeling is that you are fighting for a lost cause and you are wasting your time. I might be wrong and I might be right. Let’s see.
tae be onnis wuya… aboot tha fat biffa,yanoo,tha daft rulujus nyaff…
uv nae red a wurud th slaackjawd haddie conts rutten fer yeers….
Aye, Frank, ah kin relayt tae that. Pour sool isnae playin wee a fool pak if ye aske me.
Ahm awee bet sapri yeev nawt bin sentsa’-layk by yem deft tamy shanters fer uusen franch strrit sayns frem der rue day remarques..gee tsus wapt..
Lokesh, i am well aware that my fight is for the lost cause, may be i should join “India against corruption” or “World without atomic weapons”, kind of causes or “Samadhi is my fu..ing right”, kind of campaign, if i want to get attention of (ex.) Oshoites!
On the other side, i am contented what i am writing..when all are busy in the winning game, why not give attention to the lost cause.
Still miracles do happen…..
Anyway the change in the Osho ashram is easily possible then to think UK will be free from monarchy and world will be free from two main religions.
That much lost causes, i don´t entertain..
PS- Few times in private conversation,i have heard, many people simply go to my comments, ignoring all the wise and sexy talk in between. Maybe the same people tell the same thing to others too. After all, to send ” I Love you” cards to dozens of people is quite in the trend.
Yes, Shantam, that is all very well but how come nobody is writing a few words of support here? You say, many people simply go to my comments. I think you are kidding yourself. If you are content writing about your lost cause then that is fine by me. The point is it looks like nobody else is interested. Not one person so far has said a comment that directly voices one word of support for your crusade.
nonsense,mr lokesh sir.
our beloved shatnam who was with the osho in the final phase of his pumping the energy out 23 years ago is right in his crusade to be CEO of best exotic marigold hotel,pune…
with him at the helm like steve jobs of bed and breakfast business handcuffed to osho like steve zuckeberg on the facebook for 23 years in the ivory towers of the drivers seat of bus company charging 400 rupees for childish jealousies of subjects of her majesty the queen like CEO of macdonalds throwing big mac and lost causes into the swimming pool then anouncing.welcome to pune,i love you,it is quite in the trend.
I see what you mean. Shantam’s hypothesis about the Macdoald resort on the Isle of Skye with exploding gas bubbles is like pure shaktiput. The dirty white skins cannot wash the negative emotions with Om washing powder that laundry shop only accepts rupee coins emblazoned with Gandhi gandoo’s head with mother teressa in the chai shop. When will the resort open up and see that Osho’s ten thousand buddhas are here and Osho is changing the world with over ten million sannyasins and still counting due to steve jobs big mac. Pure love is gold over chapaties, only ego must go with alcoholic commander in India.
Extroverted thinkers constructor code of rules embodying their basic judgements about the world. They aim to live by those rules, and consider that others should as well. Any change in their ways requires a conscious change in the rules. If their perception is not good enough to show them, from time to time, how their rules should be broadened, the code will be so rigid that it becomes a tyranny, not only to the thinkers, but also to those around them, especially their families. Everything that conforms to the rules will be right; everything that violates then be wrong; and everything not covered by them will be unimportant. They will become, as Jung puts it,’’ a world law whose realisation must be a chart at all times and seasons. (Anyone who refuses to obey is wrong; he is resisting the world laws, and is therefore unreasonable, immoral without conscience.)
Gifts Differing.
Myers Briggs
bingo,arpana…
you`ve just perfectly described everyone on jackassnews except me…
how do you do it?
you must be psychic or something….
Typical Frank.
I go to all the trouble of crafting a pen portrait of you and you are so modest you say it’s about everybody else.
Not many franks to the punt.
Maybe friends at sannyasnews can enjoy this nostaligic music, which is being discouraged by the meritocrats from the world of Osho, and the discarded photos, telling the story of a man, who thought himself not less than Jesus or Buddha; it is another matter, after his death, his followers feel shy to accept this “narcisstic trait “and try their best to fix him as better version of Mr. Deepak Chopra!
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Great video, Shantam, you are the true light of sannyas news, speaking from beyond the mind to awaken white skins from ignorance. Sixty seconds of that appaling music was enough to awaken my slumbering mind from the morass of beyondnes in paragata fun land. Osho is the master of masters, but who can buy a tea cup in a whore house?
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No Problem Lokesh, here is another gem from the world of Osho…
One suggestion…..Think about Punja ji…while listening this song!
and be sure, tea cup in the whore house will also be provided..Service has no limits*
Shantam, I’m not listening to anymore of that devotional crap. I am a DJ living on Ibiza. Your musical preferences could have a detrimental effect on me and I’ll get banned from playing music.
here`s a good number from one of osho`s favourite movies.
(these are my people)
youtube.com/watch?v=hFjgyL_CuUY&feature=related
or what about this other osho fave movie
youtube.com/watch?v=g-DdTpzNzwo
Shantam,does it ever occur to you that you might have got the wrong guru? I ask because all of that nonsense you are so caught up in about the resort is really so far away from what Osho was trying to impart, which is life is a drama to witness not something to become completely identified with. I reckon this was in part one of the ranch’s great lessons. Something you obviously missed. Osho did not want his sannyassins to become smug and comfortable in a new age retirement home. Sannyas was originally devised as something to help people wake up to who they are not get all new age and ehm…unrebellious and boring. Get too comfortable and you fall asleep, if you were ever awake in the first place.
Now we have people like you, Shantam, crusading to have a cosy dead guru legacy. Place a red rose on the samadhi and play faithful chelas. Same old mumbo jumbo hindus have been playing for centuries. Bound to the past there is little space for freedom today. Just what the brahmins ordered.
I suggest you get in touch with Shree Muktananda Krishna Bharti, down in Bangalore. He is a traditional hindu guru who teaches that bhakti yoga and singing praises to the master in bhajans is the only true path. Not many white people have yet discovered this particular master and the scene is predominantly Indian, so you should fit right in and be able to forget about all those westerners for a while.
That sounds of over all knowing Neo sannyas, insurgent and unbreakable free. Ok their Commune is lost to the common, but many of them egoistic enough for creating an own small space to live workaday life the last years, what’s new?
Or better, whats “Old” and never becomes “Old”?… question of the Morning, who answers rightly is getting a sip of Gold
Gold?
Jup, that Gold the Masons miss by their admeasurements (Or, the high initiated simply camouflage (Blackmagic) because of their motives). One main causes for inferiority complex and envy in our world.
Why not Osho management adds some prefix in all Osho books, ” In case of any doubt about Osho teachings, please check our authorised service agent, Scottish Lokesh from Ibiza?!
Maybe once the project is successful, they can increase the list. I am sure, many retiring age sannyasins living a comfy life can add some extra ego chips in their resume!
Anyway, the timeless Osho music is a 100% creation of western sannyasins. Milarepa is an American who was chosen by Osho to be the director of Osho Academy of Music. Premal and Miten are other famous ones, who are well in demand.
Unfortunately Lokesh kind of minds ruling Osho Pune have banned such music because in their limited capacity, they are unable to see rainbow has many colors, human beings have many forms, Coca Cola Inc. has many products in their pipeline, Osho has many. many devices fitting with unique temperaments and conditionings(Sanskaras) of every individual..
Shantam, your statement and I quote, ‘Osho has many. many devices fitting with unique temperaments and conditionings(Sanskaras) of every individual.’ is rather interesting. Perhaps you’d care to share with us what particular Osho devices apply to you.
Oh, I see, ‘Sanskaras’ is it? First time I heard the word was from a friend in Lucknow, when he explained how he was working through his ‘latent tendencies’. To use the word conditioning as a meaning is inaccurate…impressions would have been more precise although, as is often the case with such words, there is no exact translation in English. Some Hindu teachings also use the word to refer to a rite of passage.
Once again, I request that you relate how Osho devices helped you work through your very own personal brand of latent tendencies. I’m sure it will make interesting reading to hear for example how you are working through your tendencies towards racism etc. Please reply promptly as I will be disappearing soon from SN ( very flat at the moment) as I have to concentrate on a work project.
Dear Fans…
Can’t keep up with the postings as am away in central europe balkan land looking at Danube-ile young girls who need to feel my strong spiritual tendencies…am extra busy for the next few months so cannot share the joys of being ness as I’m doing ness instead… anyway much harpiness to all and remember to watch others thoughts here ….only on sn news….the place where harsh judgements meet with their dance partners; shocking disapproval…. good night….love the posts frank and lokesh….
Happy trails, Martyn. About to edit someone’s novel, so I will be a bit busy also as I need the dough-dough to sustain my luxurious lifestyle….I say, pass the bubbly. Where is that dominatrix? It must be twenty minutes since I called her.
martyn,
have you finally put on your black robe,shoved a copy of “the idiots guide to tantra” and headed east for the easy pickings?
czecking out the talent…
getting to grips with a few pole dancers…
or lapp dancers…
those ukraine girls really knock me out etc..
hey,if you see brian rajneesh out there in his moldovan electro-shock commune,tell him i havent forgotten about that pint of guinness he still owes me…
People come to sannyas with such idealistic expectation. This is it. Utopia.
Then the cynicism sets in. All that thwarted idealism, unconscious optimistic expectations. All pessimists were once idealists. Its the expectations.
Is this real life.
Is this just fantasy.
Caught in a landslide.
Escape from reality.
easy come ,easy go..
little high,little low…
any way the wind blows
doesnt really matter to to mee…..
Arpana, Is Osho´s sannyas a kind of Ponzi scheme, where in the end expectations are bound to fall`?
Were sannyasins taken for ride with the promise of full enlightenment at discounted price?
Anyway, sannyas was a thing of a different era. From its peak days till now, earth population has doubled, availablity of all kind of information is hundred thousand times faster, what is the state of idealists of this age, where they are pouring their energy?
Maybe to the next Apple store?
good point.
are apple and orange CEOs steve jobs and osho pumping energy into creation of ponzi schemes ,like cocacola having many products in the pipinglining of spiritual facebook , so subjects of her majesty the queen jayesh and amrito and lokesh-type minds from pune 1can stop 100% expansion of osho inc.?
Experienced Lokesh cannot find a cup of tea in whore house, and the way martyn has written a “farewell and come back soon note to his fans”, looks like whore houses with young girls in Balkan land don´t have Wlan connections.
And to type few lines from roaming Uk connection can cost more than a 15 minutes of service!
Shantam, you come across as a very flakey man. All the talk of sanskaras and then you completely ignore my sincere questions in regards to this. I can only presume that you are full of hot air and little else. Now that I think of it that is not very surprising.
I’m left in no doubt that if I met you in person we’d share a hug and a laugh. Nonetheless, it would be stupid to think that anyone with a little intelligence would take your flakey style of communicating for anything other than what it is.
Lokesh, Now surely i will try to answer your question, because you have mentioned it sincerely..and i will answer what i know feel and think about and not just what i have read…
Other fact is sometime sharing through the words happen by itself..it is easier for my Pisces temperament..but to think and plan and write, i am not accustomed with.
For example, i know from all the junk i have written, at least one book worth of material can be edited out..but to do this laborious thing seems to be worth postponing, though i know, one such book will make my mother and son proud.
i also am following osho dictates like steve jobs apple employee of the month.only not from the mind but spontaneously pumping out what is inside,like monkey on a typewriter hoping to write shakespeare or rumi,thinking and planning is not fitting my temperament also as my venus is in uranus and also in steve zuckerbergs uranus on the facebook…
23 years ago osho was pumping out the energy,now the subjects of her majesty ,like indian plumbers have succeeded only in stopping the pumping…
oh i am so much missing the pumping with the samskaras of the euro-ma`s of osho`s final pumping stage 88-90. now my pump is also in the terminal decline like the osho global business corporation,dried up like a well in the maharastra hot season…..
Very funny. Keep on pumping. Hail Mahatma Gandoo!
lokesh,
at last,i get it.
“mahatma gandoo.”
mahatma ghandi meets mr magoo…
exactly.