Osho Resort Management reply to rumours

Below are two letters received from Official Osho International sources. (As Sannyasnews previously commented it would seem that there is a degree of manipulation and manufacturing by those who, for whatever reason,  want to see the demise of the present organisation running the Pune Resort.)

Beloved OSHO Center facilitators, Meditation Activity places and Friends, you may have received mails regarding a press article in an Indian newspapers. Again some people create some rumors, similar to previous ones in the last years. Here is the official response from our Pune Press-office

10/9/2011
Thank-you for contacting me regarding the article today in the DNA. I would like to make a point by point response and in addition will mention some highlights regarding expansion of the meditation resort over the years since Osho left his body.
First of all, there has been no application made to sell property of the meditation resort.
Secondly, with the permission of the Charity Commissioner, our property #9 has a mortgage against a small bank loan for renovations and upgrades that have occurred over the last three years including substantial costs to implement a world class security system. This loan practice is in the ordinary course of business, is current and in good standing and falls within our standard operating model.
The management committee has been in place for over 20 years as is the case for the Trustees and Directors. For your information, in terms of operations Osho International entered into a Joint Venture with Godrej Properties in order to carry out the construction of the Osho Guest House and the world famous, Osho Auditorium with a construction cost of 32 crores. 65 % of the construction cost of 32 crores came to the foundation from sales profits.
Over the 20 years since Osho left his body, 110,000 square feet of developed space has been created for use. When Osho left his body there was a total of 15,000 useable square feet, so in effect we have increased useable square feet by seven times! In addition, in this time we have added the front road development and the award winning Osho Teerth Park.
Regarding the people named in the article, Jayesh, Amrito and Yogendra, it should be noted that Jayesh and Amrito were respectively personally appointed Chairman and Deputy Chairman of the Inner Circle by Osho.
All three have a major focus on International Media and making Osho available. To that end, Osho in now available in printed books in some 60 languages, and has been seen by some 19 million people on the Osho International YouTube Channel. Osho has a yearly digital reach of over 350 million digital impressions through, digital mediums including, osho.com, FaceBook and Twitter. While it took almost 30 years to have Osho published in the mentioned 60 languages it has taken just two years to have Osho video talks translated to that same figure.
The trustees and management team will continue with best efforts to best support the Osho proposal.
Yours truly,
Amrit Sadhana for the Management Team”

Second Letter Received
One thing is very clear, in the last three years the Managing Team of the Meditation Resort, has put soooo much energy into renovating, security and beautifying the place, that anyone who has a  little bit of an idea how things work, cannot seriously belief that this place is to be sold.

Everybody coming is in great appreciation of this beautification. The OSHO Living In model is appreciated by so many people staying inside the campus.

And we are looking very much forward of having a wonderful winter season, getting ready to receive many people who have already booked for the three way’s of the Living In program, as well as the OSHO Guesthouse and the Multiversity courses/trainings, specially the meditative therapies trainings and the OSHO Meditation: In-depth and Facilitating training from 6th-12th Jan., 2012.
If you have plans to come, please bring some material from your center with you, as we will provide several opportunities where you can present your place and activities in  an “Osho in the world” minifair.
Please don’t hesitate to get back to us, if you have any more questions.

Otherwise we may see you for the OSHO Winter Festival 2nd-6th December, 2011.
With Love
Vatayana
OSHO GLOBAL CONNECTIONS
17 Koregaon Park,
Pune (MS) 411001
India
Tel:  +91-20-6601-9999 Ext. 865
Fax. +91-20-6601-9990
E-mail: Global@osho.net
Online: www.osho.com/GlobalConnections

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39 Responses to Osho Resort Management reply to rumours

  1. shantam says:

    It does not really matter who is giving the right logic or not, one thing is clear, both the sides claiming to represent Osho, stink with the fragrance of MIND, the chemical they were suppose to get rid off.
    Millions of people are reading Osho because of us, thousands of people took sannyas of us…Poor little Dick in divorce proceedings with poor little Mary!
    BUT who will keep control of the family property?
    Why not a solid division of the 24 acres of Koregaon park Property..Let both the sides run parallel business. Neo seekers will have the choice where to spend their time and money.

    I know this will happen only once Israel/Palestian dispute is resolved!

  2. Parmartha says:

    Those people drawn to “organising” will never be free of mind. Organising involves ego and feeling one wants and can lead, etc. Osho, unlike some teachers, choose to have quite an “organised” and large business to do this.
    That was his choice, he pondered it for three days according to those around him at the time in 1970 after Laxmi suggested it.
    There is a double bind here for all those who seek to share the light. If you dont have a strong organisation, etc then you restrict the number of honest seekers who you yourselves wish to attract.
    The truth is that many of us would not even have heard of Osho or read his books, or gone to see him without the books, etc being there.
    Many teachers certainly dont get to “every known crook and cranny” of the planet as Osho has done. The “organisation” is responsible for that.

  3. Arpana says:

    Least bad of available alternatives. Osho was as circumscribed by that law as anyone.

  4. Martyn says:

    why would anyone actually want to save humanity anyway with a message from a book….Have any of the Resort’s salvationists or their opponents actually travelled on a public bus in Bristol like i did yesterday.. the mental case and fetid, barely human ‘express service’ across the more desperate parts of town… has anyone on a visit to a shopping centre noticed the high incidence of the regressive gene in a large proportion of the population ..am I the only one here who thinks this is all a very very unsalvageable situation….
    ‘help humanity become aware’ through videos and books or sponsor some urgently needed evolution…mmmmm?… what millenium are we talking about..and upon which planet ? and how big’s the ffing book …the chapter on Eugenics would be a good start…. My beloved ones …..Stop Breeding…love Osho…

  5. shantam says:

    During the other week, in Italy and Corsicca, at petrol stations i was surprised to see Paulo Coelho´s novel on display boards. Was it because of Osho foundation?
    Lady Gaga has record number of followers at Twitter, are they because of Osho Foundation´s video channel?
    What i want to say is that words in any format are spreading like flies because of the digital revolution. It has nothing to do with disciples meditative wisdom.
    Unless and until words of the master are not lived, they are just empty words.
    In the context of this thread, it is important that some kind of democratic set up is required on adminstraion level, where best of India meets with the best of the west.
    Unfortunatly, present managers from the west are full with false vanity and some kind of Royal pride, as if without Queen and her bunch of family Great Britain will collapse!

  6. Lokesh says:

    Right from the beginning of Poona One it was clear that Osho wanted his sannyasins to get organised. This was not so easy to begin with because early sannyasins were, often as not, a wee bit disorganized…space cases etc. Time passed and more and more people with organizational skills began to show up and as a result the ashram became more organized. Ashram, interesting word…A hermitage, monastic community, or other place of religious retreat for Hindus. Of course it is no longer an ashram being discussed here. It is a resort…A place that is a popular destination for vacations or recreation, or which is frequented for a particular purpose. One of the principle purposes in this case being to make or spend money. My point is that Osho ( who enjoyed and encouraged his sannyasins to become involved with commerce) obviously wanted an organization around him, because he knew that in the modern world you need to be organized to make an impact. (even Gandhi and Bin-Laden knew that)
    When I first entered the ashram back in February 1975 I really did not like what I saw. In essence every cell of my radical hippy mind-set revolted. To my conditioned mind this was organized religion, a cult, the Beatles and the Maharishi all over again ( sometimes I suspect my first impressions were not inaccurate). Problem was, when I got up close and personal, Osho’s energy was such that it completely blew my wee mind out of the shifting waters of consciousness. And so it happened that I ended up staying in Poona One until the old boy split the scene in 1981 and went off to meet his destiny in Amerrikaka.
    I worked in the Ashram at various tasks and eventually made it to be an individual therapist. One of the constants during that period in my life was that I was always in trouble with the people in charge…the very ones who were holding the organization in place…under Osho’s watchful eye, I might add.
    At times I experienced times of conflict and guilt about being so ‘unsurendered’. Somewhat contradictory taking into consideration that the ashram was that of a master who described guilt as the most worthless of human emotions. In retrospect I am glad that my rebellious side never quie surrendered to what I now recognize as complete and utter bullshit. Bullshit…obscene word for unacceptable behavior. There was always plenty of unacceptable behaiour around Osho…sterilizations, getting tooled up with uzis etc. Yet, I hung out around Osho for almost seven remarkable years. Remarkable, even taking into account that part of that process had to do with my being young and healthy, My point here is that I stayed with Osho in spite of the organization that he allowed to develop around him.
    Now we have fools like Shantam railing against the organization that exists in the resort today. I find this tedious because it brings up one very obvious question. Why become involved with a guru who for one reason or another wants to be surrounded by a very organized community, and then start complaining about that organization?
    Such a mind´set is so uninspiring, pedestrian, and so far away from what Osho was really about, behind the external that the organization represents. I suspect Shantam does not really have much going on in his life along the lines of creativity, love life etc. or why else be so consumed by such a futile crusade? If we take this blog as a microcosm of what is going on, nobody here gives a shit about Shantam and his crusade, which sounds to me like how the likes of the Ayodah riots happened. In other words extreme fundamentalist ideas like and I quote, ‘Why not a solid division of the 24 acres of Koregaon park Property.’ The answer to that, Shantam, is because it is a completely stupid idea.
    When Osho died his last words were, ‘I leave you my dream’. This always struck me as odd because the man spent decades trying to wake people up from their dreams and then he leaves you with his. From what I know of Osho, surely part of his dream was for his people to commune. Now we have sanyassins like Shantam suggesting the resort be divided in half. This illustrates to me how little Shantam absorbed of Osho’s heartfelt vision of how the walls should be pulled down and our common humanity recognized. Ho hum….nothing new there. When the cat’s away the mice will play and in this case it is a very boring game that is being played out.

  7. Chetna says:

    Lokesh-great sharing. I really enjoyed reading your insights. Re Shantam you are also right (sorry Shantam but it feels so)

    “When Osho died his last words were, ‘I leave you my dream’. This always struck me as odd because the man spent decades trying to wake people up from their dreams and then he leaves you with his.” – that is where I think the split kicked off. It does not sound like Osho, so many sannyasins question all the last words that were presented by Puna gang and consider them false. So how can they now trust what they do?

    Also the fact that Amrito is an alcoholic and many therapists are off their heads on drugs and alcohol really puts me off that place. A mediator does not take toxins. It is a fact! So with what disturbed mind they work towards sharing Osho etc etc.

  8. shantam says:

    If Lokesh could get a bit of emotional intelligence, i think Scots are not famous for such thing, or are they?
    and a sense to read between the lines, it needs a bit of practice to come out from one´s own mind and try to give the time, what other intends to say. For example, when i wrote divide the Pune property in two, there is a sense of irony, some joke, some satire on the controlling mind.
    I hope, he and people like him will have the patience to look into it.

  9. shantam says:

    Lokesh, for your notice, i copy here the paragraph, you have tried your best to misquote.
    “Why not a solid division of the 24 acres of Koregaon park Property..Let both the sides run parallel business. Neo seekers will have the choice where to spend their time and money.
    I know this will happen only once Israel/Palestian dispute is resolved!”

    I hope you will be able to see the satire, the irony, the joke. And don´t forget to see the exclamation sign!!
    I think it is never too late to come out from the filter of one´s own mind.

  10. Teertha says:

    Was Osho ever interested in enlightening the masses? I don’t think so. His interest was in bona fide seekers, and the intelligentsia. He was an elitist, in that sense. His interest was in the individual.

    Martyn wrote, ‘am I the only one here who thinks this is all a very very unsalvageable situation…’

    I’d agree that human civilization is indeed unsalvageable, it has always been unsalvageable, and it likely will be for any foreseeable future. I think some of the old Gnostics had it right, that this world is a dim dimension, a boot camp, a place so entrenched in duality that friction, tension, and conflict are unavoidable. We live in a universe that eats itself. Organisms eat other organisms, black holes eat galaxies. As Gurdjieff said, we are food for the Moon. Wake up, or we’ll be eaten. In fact we’re being eaten right now, by the agendas of others, by our own self-loathing and laziness, etc.

    Lokesh, the ‘I leave you my dream’ comment always stuck me as odd as well. Osho spent the last year of his life disparaging all paths except Zen, even criticizing Coleman Barks’ readings of Rumi because he’d concluded by then that the whole Sufi path of ‘the heart’ was dreams and illusion, relationships were bullshit, etc. It was time to awaken entirely from cosy dreams. And then came his concluding statement, using the metaphor of the dream.

    Anyway, the thought of dividing the Pune resort is actually quite funny, a type of old school Berlin-type thinking. We could have East Resort and West Resort, and a China Wall between them — but this wall would be to be meditated on. All along it could be Bodhidharma Lane, where you get to sit and gaze at the Wall while inquiring into the Zen koan, ‘what is the other?’

  11. Gayathri Karthik says:

    I too feel the same way as shantam feels…but as far as his words i leave u my dream is concerned it just shows Osho’s determindedness to use a human language as Jesus last outcry..i leave u my divine plan ….my divine’s will…my father’s will is not his way of expressing..the way he deeply loved us he can talk only as i leave u my dream…(but after seeing jayesh i also had doubts whether he said i leave u my dream or i leave u , my dream…:)
    Love,Gaya3,
    Osho.

  12. NAVEEN says:

    the great theft : transfers of royalties into private international bank accounts

    NOTICE to O.I.F INTERNATIONAL – PUNE MANAGEMENT
    swami rajneesh

    all OSHO data : original master video tapes / tapes / audios photographs / signatures

    and all data materials have been physically stolen / removed illegally out of india

    this entire original data is now in the physical control of “ master zones ltd “ england

    which is a private limited company owned by private people.

    all this original data / materials are property of the OSHO trust in india

    as is documented declared to the charity commissioner mumbai

    hence without approval it is considered to be stolen property of OSHO trust india

    OIF has publicly lied / misrepresented / stolen / high jacked materials from the trust

    R.T.I – questions to the charity commissioner mumbai

    materials / data were physically removed from india / then transferred to
    OIF new york or OIF switzerland and by which legal authority ?
    how does OIF switzerland or OIF new york sell OSHO data for international worldwide royalties ? by transfer of such commission or royalty arrangement with the indian trust and how are these payments made and by whom ?
    as there is an authorized OSHO trust in india who allowed / transfered these intellectual properties / materials without approval ??
    show us their legal documents / bank transfers as to how they pay royalties to the indian trust / or transferred to OIF switzerland.
    how is OIF a public non profit organization of switzerland and where is swiss registration of this non profit status ??
    it is learnt that osho international new york is just a trading name for a privately held british company “ master zones ltd “ how has indian trust illegally transferred data to a private individual british company while claiming to be an indian public trust and non profit organization ?
    how can a private limited company gain profit / sell indian trust owned data materials worldwide for royalties / commissions for books ect ??
    how have these thousands of original works / material of osho’s books audio video photos artwork been smuggled out of india illegally as OIF switzerland claim it belongs to some indian trust who owns these materials in their applications before the charity commissioner bombay.
    if these are claimed to be owned, property of a non profit organization trust based in india then how have they been illegally transferred physically removed / smuggled out of india to new york, switzerland, england and given to a private company “ master zones ltd “ to publish illegally for profits by selling / claiming royalties from hundreds of foreign publishers to make personal profits aboad.
    there is a clear violation of trustees financially cheating the indian trust and also a clear violation of stealing materials that supposedly belongs to an indian non profit charity trust. OIF should be held for theft.
    publication royalties for books videos audio and such materials need to be paid into indian trust accounts and should be made accountable. if millions of dollars in royalties are being made in england new york and switzerland then they are violating FERA indian foreign exchange act and robbing the indian trustees of the income.
    the indian charity commissioner bombay has given the osho ashram poona a charitable non profit status and is being cheated by OIF who claim the non profit status in foreign swiss accounts misusing indian charity trust rulings while taking millions of dollars into personal bank accounts through copyright sales and book royalties
    copyright jurisdiction laws / ownership of copyright materials remain properties of india which can claim loss of revenues and theft of royalties on intellectual properties created in india.
    misuse of non profit charitable status in swiss banks by claiming direct non profit organization status in india is a criminal offence.
    this is a indirect attempt of trustees to steal from the trust and avoid taxes in both countries.
    have hundreds of international book publication deals been notified to the indian charity commissioners office ?

    to the inner circle management :

    we will all soon free from your personal financial exploitation…and misuse and blatant theft of sannyasins inheritance worldwide and attempts to cheat millions of new seekers on the path of truth…

    swami rajneesh

  13. amanda says:

    Osho Foundation trustee, Mukesh Sarda, a part of Darshan Trust?
    DNA Newspaper covered this story today – 15 Oct 2011

    Who is Mukesh Sarda and what exactly is his role in the Pune-based Osho International Foundation’s (OIF) proposal to gift Rs8 crore worth of prime property to an obscure, New Delhi-based Darshan Trust?
    Sarda’s story is as mysterious and worthy of a fact-finding probe as that of Delhi-based Darshan Trust, which does not have a Delhi address.
    In a series of exclusive reports since October 9 (Politicians eyeing Osho’s Rs1,000 cr property in Pune?), DNA has brought to light how OIF trustee Mukesh Sarda has filed a controversial application before the charity commissioner, Mumbai, seeking permission to “gift” six units (6,611 square feet) of prime property to New Delhi-based Darshan Trust.
    This property, ‘Osho Sanai’, is located in Little Woods Co-op Housing Society, Plot Number 22 in Koregaon Park.
    The application records Darshan Trust’s registered office address as A-34, Defence Colony, New Delhi, and states that this property is “excess space” not required by the OIF to fulfill its objectives. A visit to the address by this reporter revealed that it is neither the property of Darshan Trust, nor does the trust have its office there.
    The property — a plush two-storey residential compound — belongs to Darshan Trust’s lawyer, Ramni Taneja. In fact, it belongs to her father, DV Taneja, a “retired banker”. Ramni is a Supreme Court advocate.
    Speaking to DNA on Friday, Ramni Taneja said, “Under law, you are allowed to give the address of your lawyer for any correspondence. Their office is in Pune. This is my office and residence.”
    Taneja said she was not aware of DNA’s report about the controversy pertaining to the Rs8 crore “gift” her client was in the process of receiving. Asked by DNA to reveal the office address of Darshan Trust, she said, “They don’t have an office in Delhi. I will give you their contact person’s phone number… Wait, let me call him up and you can speak to him.”
    The person on the other side did not respond. Taneja then said, “He is not responding at the moment. I will give you his number. You can talk to him later. His name is Mukesh Sarda.”
    When told that Sarda is a prominent trustee in OIF, Taneja explained, “He represents both Darshan Trust and OIF.”
    When asked how it was possible for Sarda to represent both OIF and Darshan Trust at the same time, she said, “I don’t know, you will have to ask him only.”
    Asked about her status with respect to the two trusts, she said, “I represent Darshan Trust and Osho International Foundation also. I take care of OIF’s Delhi region matters.”
    Taneja, however, was unwilling to give Darshan’s Trust’s Pune address and said, “You will have to ask Mukesh Sarda only.”
    When Sarda was asked to reveal the address of the Darshan Trust office in Pune, he said it was located “at the same place where the OIF has its office”, his voice sounding nervous. Asked whether he represented both the Darshan Trust and OIF, Sarda responded, “Yes, I do.”
    He, however, refused to elaborate on the matter and from here on said, “The matter is sub judice and I cannot tell you anything.”
    A few minutes later, Sarda called back this correspondent to correct himself and said, “I am not representing Darshan Trust. The trust has its trustees who are representing it.”
    DNA: “But are you a member of Darshan Trust.”
    Sarda: “The matter is sub judice.”
    DNA: “But a few minutes back, you yourself said you represent Darshan Trust. Even your lawyer said you do.”
    Sarda: “I was then sitting somewhere.”

  14. martyn says:

    hey Rajneesh…why don’t you and Amrito and crew have a pillow fight together with you and your crew… we’ll clap you all on..it’ll be great fun…
    ps Teertha ,the bus ride was so much fun i bought a return…like being born… we just keep coming back for the show…

  15. shantam says:

    http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20111016/main7.htm
    So the snow ball is showing the effect. One after another, most of the Indian newspapers are running the story of dispute among Osho disciples.
    This holier than thou mask of sannyasins is falling apart. Inspite of listening Osho and claiming to be meditators, deeper psychological issues are still remain the same and that is of power and control, domination and i am better than you because because because………..
    Where is the newman, new vision? Seems like old wine is bottled in the new throw away pack.

  16. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, your stupidity knows no bounds. I did not misquote anything. I simply took your words at face value which, taking into consideration your usual stuck viewpoint, was not a difficult thing to do. You say, ‘I hope you will be able to see the satire, the irony, the joke.’ Unless you give a hint that you are being ironic or satirical,( I find it ironic etc) which you didn’t, how is anyone supposed to know that is what you intended. Do you imagine this blog to be home to psychic detectives. As for ‘the joke’ that is easy to see, although I am quite sure not in the way you intend. I find almost everything you write laughable. Like your conclusion…’I know this will happen only once Israel/Palestian dispute is resolved!’ I know this will happen only once Israel/Palestian dispute is resolved! Very escoteric indeed. And you add for the unenlightened like myself….’And don´t forget to see the exclamation sign!!’ Yeah, well, all that leaves me with is a question mark ‘?’. An exclammation mark is supposed to tell other commenters that this is irony, satire and a joke? What does the ‘!!’ mean then? Please share the joke.

  17. Lokesh says:

    Amanda, what went wrong in your life.

  18. Lokesh says:

    we will all soon free from your personal financial exploitation…and misuse and blatant theft of sannyasins inheritance worldwide and attempts to cheat millions of new seekers on the path of truth…

    swami rajneesh

    I find it tragic that anyone might take such hype in the least bit seriously. Swami Rajneesh and Shantam would definitely make a great team. Quote: ‘ attempts to cheat millions of new seekers on the path of truth…’ That really takes the prize for hyperbole this year. What a twat.

  19. Lokesh says:

    Chetna, I only know Amrit from the old days, where I remember him as a nice guy. Most alcoholics that I know are in denial about it and often under that boozy haze they live in quite sensitive people. Life can be hard and cruel at times and alcohol is just one more thing that people use to lessen the harsh impact of reality.

    • it’s much like being in love with a domineering woman. My pops was an alkie, had several “friends” too… all professed their love for the “drink” either foamy beer or booze… such poetry i would hear coming from these mouths about their love affair with alcohol.. if only they had such love for themselves.

  20. Lokesh says:

    Teertha, I enjoy your comments. Coincidently, I had dinner with friends last night and we were discussing Gurdieff’s ‘food for the moon’. Recently I’ve been looking at this world like it is a very dense dimension. On the other hand there is something about the human realm that makes it a very special place. Any comments as to why that might be?

    • good sex… you can’t have that with the moon.

    • Teertha says:

      Perhaps much of it has to do with stages of life, and how we are looking at things. Recall the so-called ‘Copernican revolution’ of nascent science in the 17th century. The big realization then was that what we are observing depends on the observer — the stars above appear as they do because, as Copernicus figured out, of the movements of Earth in its orbit (not because Earth is fixed in the center of the universe). Then Darwin took away the specialness of the human, then Einstein showed that space/time is not absolute. Then quantum physics arrived with its ideas that the observer affects what he is observing, etc. And we’re still making realizations. But each realization seems to demonstrate one main thing, that being that the condition of the observer determines the reality he observes.

      There is an inner equivalent of that, and it is that our views of the ‘world’ are shaped entirely by where we’re at in life (age, handling business, unresolved stuff, relative clarity, health, etc). I’m 52 years old, so am able to know the perspective that comes with the 50s, but not the 60s, though I gather it is more of the same, i.e. letting go, appreciating context, and dropping delusions — provided we are not stuck in a rut, spinning wheels and wasting energy in resentment, or as what happened to Ouspensky — constant drinking to kill pain (his unresolved stuff with Gurdjieff) and indulgence in nostalgia. Sannyasins in particular probably have watch that one, simply because we were part of a past that had such high drama. I mean, what do you do for an encore after Osho? You don’t, which leaves us nothing but our own minds, and that can be hard. The entertainment, the ‘divine distraction’ was removed long ago, and TV or sports or Poona drama doesn’t somehow do it.

      G’s ‘food for the Moon’ thing is interesting — I understand that he only talked about this idea in his earlier teaching phase, and after 1920 or so never mentioned it. Osho used to say that humanity needs a war every decade or so to discharge energy. The ‘food for the Moon’ idea is similar, being that we are food for other dimensions, just as other levels are food for us. But some of these ‘lower’ levels feed off of our negativity (just as we humans will watch gore on TV or in print, the ‘secret’ to selling newspapers — you could say we ‘feed’ off of the suffering of others). According to G., there is an element in the universe that needs us to remain asleep, because it needs the energy of our unconsciousness. He was basically agreeing with the ancient Egyptians, who taught that if our life was shit then at the end of it all we’d just get eaten by a demon in the afterlife (the feather on Maat’s scale thing).

      I’d agree however that this world is, as you put it, a ‘very special place’, because there is great fun in breaking out of hell. No hell, no fun. Were this world ‘heaven’ we’d just be a bunch of lazy, spoiled bastards, getting bored, creating mischief, and then sooner or later creating hell again anyway.

  21. frank says:

    teertha,
    you are right about nostalgia.
    those stories on oshonews,for example with oldtimers banging on about their fantastic silver-lined experiences of semi-enlightenment
    in poona and the ranch.
    its like being at an old folks home listening to dementia patients going on about their time in the army….

  22. shantam says:

    If a politician play politics, it is natural it is His job, he is doing what is suppose to be done but when the spiritual seeker plays politics with his/her own fellow seekers, it is CONDEMNABLE: it is like a nun doing the prostitution business.
    I think we the sannyasins should be judged with harshest possible criteria. Our master was making fun of each and every institution, World has a right to know, where we stand, what the hell we do with those values which are the natural outcome of meditation.
    If the Osho mangers are unable to radiate trust, love, sharing compassion in the policy making, they MUST GO.
    NOW

  23. Lokesh says:

    What on earth are Osho mangers?

  24. shantam says:

    OSho managers (sorry for the spelling mistake in the above post) are a new breed of priests, politicians, technocrats and seekers all mixed in one, almost like new electronic gadgets.
    Their numbers would have grown but the lab where they are produced is lacking further funding for such high tech production.
    Any way, the original idea was to create a better man, new man.

  25. Lokesh says:

    Funny enough, Shantam, I just came across this Osho quote and thought of you.

    The Osho Quote

    I am against any kind of organization because every organization has proved an enemy of truth, a murderer of love. I trust in the individual. Each and every sannyasin, alone, is my medium. Each and every sannyasin is connected to me directly. There is no organization between me and you. There is no priesthood between me and you.

    Why not drop all your concerns about the managers? It is such a lot of childish nonsense. Life is very short and it will be over soon. Why waste time on such unimportant things?

  26. shantam says:

    To put quotations out of context is as dangerous as to give any tablet for specific disease.
    When Osho spoke these words, had he dared to stop all organisational business around Him?
    Why not?
    Even till the last, he was preparing the generation next to take over the day to day working and was giving instructions about the continuous expansion of His work.
    Why?For what?
    I cannot find the exact words, where He is heard saying that organisations are necessary evils. one has to use them.The continuous saga of Arabic spring is showing again and again, how difficult it is to let go THE POWER, and the notion country will be lost without me. Even when writing on the wall is clear, power fixated souls will prefer to die like a rat then to let go with grace.
    IS this because these dictators are not meditators, have no prayerful heart inside?
    after spending life time with meditators, i am sorry to say, glue of the power is stronger then the sensitivity of the meditation.
    Only solution is to curb this tendency with constitutional reforms in the countries and organisations.

  27. what does the Arabic spring got to do with anything? Those are men rioting, not women, men so sexually and mentally schizo that a “spiritual” awakening is getting up in the morning and seeing their buddies shooting an AK-47 at a tank, then rolling out the (red) carpet) and chanting “Allahu Akbar”. maybe in a thousand years or so, and they evolve into humans we can continue this discussion.

  28. Lokesh says:

    Shantam, is always good for a laugh. I reckon Osho spoke those words for people like Shantam, who want to carry on Osho’s great legacy of buffoonery.
    Buffoonery – acting like a clown.

  29. shantam says:

    A child who sees more then one men visiting his mother will find it difficult to distinguish who is the uncle and who is the dad, same way a disciple passing through the gaze of many masters may find it difficult who is who and whether some attribute belongs to A or B.
    Example sake, Osho And Punja Ji.
    Whether creating a bond of master-disciple, and in the process to change the names into wierd sounding Indian words was an act of Osho or Punja Ji?
    Who was forming an inner circle of 21 disciples to take care of His work, was it Punja or Osho?
    Who was planning his whole life and working deliberatly to be as World teacher, was it Punja Ji or Osho?
    Whether Punja ji created a list of few festival days and participated in his own birth day celebration not for one or two times but years.
    1000 Rupees (15 Euro) per day entry fee is for Osho´s place or for that middle class house in Lucknow!!
    Question is not who the hell is real or bogus master, but whether like everybody Osho has the right to have His will interpretated in the spirit of His life and actions.

  30. Padmini says:

    Wow. I hope some of you have enjoyed the resort recently. I love going there to truly let go. The resort works for me – and thousands of others who discover it in India: a tribute to that country, an immense jewel of beauty, meditation, and health with a welcome surprise – enlightenment!

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