SannyasNews has received this information today (October 7th)
We would advise readers to remain sceptical as there have been several such reports over the last years.
A news items has just been published today in papers of Mumbai, Pune, and Gujarat, headed:
Are politicians eyeing Osho’s R 1,000 crore property in Pune?
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After an application was found with the Charity Commissioner for the Sale of Properties of the Pune commune, a Petition for Denial of Permission was promptly filed by Swami Prem Anandi, Swami Prem Geet and Swami Jagdish Bharti.
An online ‘Save Osho Premises at Pune’ campaign has already begun among Osho’s disciples worldwide to galvanize support for the impending conflict against any plans to sell the Pune properties.
If you would like to explore this, please visit www.oshowork.org for details.
I pass through this website after a loooong time and I find the same rumors as always. Let me guys clarify something for you. The property of the Osho Meditation Resort ( aka ashram), is owned by a foundation, Osho International. Not by individuals. Therefore no individual can sell the property. Amrito, Jayesh and Yogendra can not sell the property , even if they wanted to.
This rumor has been going on forver… as back as 1990, as back as 1981, as back 2001, as back as 2006, then 2009, and now again.
no one is selling anything. come on!
anthony
Always nice to have you back, Anthony. Brains and judgement are in rare supply in the sannyas world. Most people write with unconscious agendas.
October 12, 2011
In response to the circular issued by Management team of Osho International Meditation Resort date 9th October 2011, we state that:
1. First of all, there has been an application filed by the trustee of Osho International Foundation (OIF) Mr. Mukesh Sarda at the office of the Honorable Charity Commissioner at Mumbai dated 19th September 2011. This application is filed by OIF to transfer the portion of trust property by way of gift to Darshan trust situated in New Delhi under section 36 of Public Charitable Trust Act 1950. The copy of the same is available on http://oshowork.org/updates.html
2. The said application for gifting part of Osho Ashram is in contradiction of the statements made by Ma Amrit Sadhna . Our question is that if they are mortgaging ashram property #9 to raise funds for renovations and upgradations then why this generous act of gifting is required?
3. In appreciation of the said developments as mentioned by Ma Amrit Sadhna, our contention is that such development is done by thousands of Osho disciples from around the world by contributing their time, money, labor and dedication to Osho. Where are those people and why they are not able to come into ashram anymore? The presence of people has now reduced by 70% – 80% in last five years.
4. The front road and award winning Osho Teerth Park was made and completed in the year 2000.
5. We heartily appreciate presence and contributions of Swami Jayesh, Amrito and Yogendra. Respectively we would like to have list of Inner Circle members and period of their tenure holding membership of Osho’s Inner Circle since its inception.
And further we pledge to all the persons concerned that:
We are making statements hereby in order to clarify our stand on the matters taking place in current situations. So there is no prejudice amongst fellow travelers.
We have mainly Six fundamental objectives with the administrators, trustees and persons responsible in Osho International Foundation, Neo Sannyas Foundation and the directors/ members Osho Multimedia & Resorts private Limited:
I. Do not create or cause to create any third party interests in the properties by the way of sell, gift, lease, easement, endowment or otherwise. Because these properties and its benefit factors, belongs to Osho followers who have created it in the presence of Osho with their time, money and dedication. This objection includes all the infrastructure developments which have taken place in the said trusts premises.
II. We appeal to make the entry fees nominal up to Rs.100/- without prejudice of cult, creed and nationalities in order that all the disciples can afford to pay the same.
III. Osho Disciples have right to work in ashram for 3 hours while paying the entry fees and up to 6 hours for free workers pass.
IV. Considering Osho’s words “Power Corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely” we appeal that all the decisions specially on fundamental issues shall be passed by more persons and the powers shall not rest with handful persons.
V. We demand transparency in the decision making and accountability in all trust matters.
VI. We appeal to stop the indiscriminate banning of fellow travelers seeking entry in trust premise.
1) Yogesh Thakkar alias Swami PremGeet
2) Kishor Raval alias Swami Prem Anadi
3) Nitin Phulphagar alias Swami Nitin Bharti
From Koregaon Park, Pune India
HI Anthony
What you said is legally true but here in this case they are trying to convert it from a Charitable trust to a limited company. Already the relevant applications have been filed in the Charity commision office in India . Pl see http://www.oshoworks.org for more details.
Dear, They managed to demolish the Buddha Hall, they changed the name of the commune.They removed the OSHO’s pictures from the vicinity of the Commune. Why cant they sell the Commune it self.
Prashant
You did not read what we said very carefully Anthony.
The ‘news” was offered with the usual provisos.
However bear in mind that many in the sannyas world knew of these Indian press stories two days ago and the response from “people power” sannyasins, but dont publish, etc. And for why?
Whilst it may or may not be true that Osho International is trying to find a way to sell the Resort, your own logic is not sufficient to deny it.
What we would call the Chief Executive, and Board of Directors in the UK are actually those whose names you enumerate for Osho International.
Incidentally you mention rumours in the plural. What “other” rumours do you consider we deal in??
Sannyasnews
Having read the Indian newspaper articles, and the Oshowork website, this could be a sort of provocation device.
The characters who always criticise the present Resort management do want a fight, after which they hope to run the place themselves. The whole Court action could be simply to try and bring on such a fight. Cant imagine the Management Resort survivors, for that is what they are, would fall for that kind of trick.
I do find the Indian conditioning about samadhi sites a bit tiresome. Osho is everywhere, and even more so since he left the body.
I must say the three Indian characters seem to be playing a highly manipulative game to get publicity. I feel sorry for Amrito etc having to endlessly battle these so called followers of Osho.
Parmartha,
it might be that you are tired of Indian sannyasins and their way to see and feel…. it does not speak very much in favor of you! I am a “western” sannyasin and pretty much tired of people like you who arrogently think their western way of seeing things is the non plus ultra and the only right way to see. Every one has he right to see and feel in their own way and if it makes you tired, just take a good nap!
As for the Samadhi, maybe your western way of perceiving makes you a little bit insensitive, otherwise it is certaibly felt by everyone who is open to it, western, eastern or from the moon, that in the Samadhi due to the vibration of the ashes and marble, and Oshos physical presence so nearby for many many years, it was so much more tangible and easy to absorb. This is all about love, not about logic. Everyone has their way to love. I dont object to your not “needing samadhi” or seeing it the way you see, just……. have some respect for the needs and feelings of others. ….
and osho is everywhere…. sure, ….and for some people he is felt most dearly in the samadhi…….
if you love the east so much Sampatti- how about pitching a tent in the slums of Delhi? I forgot, Delhi is a slum. I beg you couldn’t bear to be without your cappuccino and clean smelling clothes for more than a day….. three cheers for hypocrisy.
Are you a misogynist Pennie, for fuck sake, you are so rude, I think quite a lot of us would prefer clean clothes and cappuccino to roughing it in delhi.
sell the freakin’ place already- no need to have “cathedrals” or shrines… or burn it down… “Smoke on the Water- a fire in the sky”.
just….. some people. and I am one of them, really love the place…..
or do you love osho- what did he say AGAIN, about dropping attachments? Yet, another who wants the world to revolve around them, and not the other way.
Anthony is not a native English speaker.
Thanks, Alok, that explains everything.
The thing is Osho did not want to leave behind a religion or a church, I often think the ones that run the resort are doing a pretty good job to that effect.
On the other hand I can think of nothing more benign than leaving the Koregoan Park premises to Indian sannyasins (or others if interested) They appear to be a group that still has Osho in their hearts.
The Samadhi, I’m told, still evokes silence in people that sit there.
Osho gave so much to the world, keeping all or some of the premises honours that.
Don’t you reckon whoever had been running the ashram, this would have happened Dharmen. They are just people on the path, or not, with egos. They were always going to be either demonised or put on pedestals. They don’t really have much power, or influence would be a better word, outside the ashram??? O_o
Not sure what point your trying to make. I reckon the guys that run the ashram now have locked their selves into a position where they can’t/won’t talk to anyone. Utter arrogance!
No doubt, they are well intentioned and ironically they have stopped the place becoming a church. They have gotten Osho’s words published across the globe, I don’t see them as bad.
All were welcome in Osho’s world, I find it sad that so much division has happened so quickly.
I reckon the bad stuff would have happened whoever. People have so much to resolve about power and authority. All the people new to sannyas, let alone those allready in it. If they had been ‘Saints’ (I use the word advisedly) They would still have been on the recieving of the trips of thouands about authority and power.
They still are!
Seems only human to cut off, faced with so much criticism. The people who criticise them are as critical of each other as they are of the committee at the ashram,.
Who should they listen to, cooperate with. Whatever happens they are going to be on the receiving end of mountains of criticims. 21 of them on the receiving end of all that hate and condemnation.
To be honest I think Amrito etc are doing an excellent job. As Arpana says they receive endless criticism. It is only natural for them to cut off. Usually they explain what they are doing once, but the critics haven’t done enough research to understand what is going on.
And Dharmen, how do you know that Amrito etc does not have “Osho in his heart.”?
Alok, I don’t – but I know what he’s got in his blood!
“The samadhi… still evokes silence in people that sit there.” This is still a head trip. One can find silence anywhere, it’s your head trip that says…”I can only find silence if i sit in the Samadhi”, or at the resort. why is this so hard for sannyasins to accept… oh, that’s right it’s called attachment…. I’ve never in all my life seen so many sannyasins with pacifiers in their mouths.. aren’t you supposed to move on to smoking cigarettes after the age of 3?
You can find silence anywhere. You can, no doubt about it. But some places are conducive to silence, in nature, in a forest, on a beach, its easy to relax into silence. There are buildings too, that people claim effect a still mind. I have been in a few building where I would have to say that this is the case. The thing is, I don’t always find it so easy to quiet my mind and I guess I’m not alone in this so I’m not surprised if people, especially seekers, go off to some samadhi or such like seeking experience. Now you may say they are deceiving themselves and maybe they are. Definitely we can speculate that some kind of placebo effect may occur and they get the silence just out of belief. But if they get it, do you really care how?
Osho’s Ashes and their vibrations….
I’ve never actually experienced this phenomena. Anyone here care to enlighten me.
I thought,
‘of course those Ashes have his vibes.
I’l tell Lokesh!
my leaving darshan box is an example,
that had his vibes,
first hand experience,
can’t argue with that,’
So i wrote, ‘I have an old leaving darshan box,…that box had some special quality (after all it does have one of his hairs in it.)’ etc.
but then it struck me,
I HAVE NO IDEA IF that means something about the ashes. Its only me joining up the dots.
Oh!
Anyone got firsthand experience?
Yeah, Osho gave me one of these wee boxes with toe nail clippings in it, back in 1977. I sold it on ebay last year to a sanyassin woman called Darshana in Barcelona. I’m not telling how much I got for it, because I don’t want to be hit with an extra tax bill.
Ok… I have done some research. Wrote to some people who have lived in the Resort for a long time and they tell me it is all bullshit… they ask me if after all we know how come we still believe in what is written in news papers.
One of them told me about this campaign orquestrated by some Indian sannyasins to get the Resort to be a place of worship and religion… a temple for their Osho cult. She told me it is not what they want to do with the place… They have no interest to turn one of the greatest iconoclasts of last century into an object of worship… They want to keep it as a place for meditation, self discovery, personal growth and meeting people with this common interest, where Osho remains as a source of inspiration but not an object of cult…
It makes sense to me
anthony
if you subscribe to the idea of one place having holy vibes
(and lets not beat about the bush,holiness is what we are talking about here…)
then,like it or not,you immediately,by virtue of your investment of desiring to go there, enter into the power struggle around the control of that property..
do you want that?
the humanimal is,like all animals,highly territorial..
and the addition of religious or spiritual reasons/motives for this territoriality make the whole fight a lot more interesting and exciting….
its a uniquely human twist….
welcome to pune,jerusalem,ayodhya……
sunnyasins against oshi`ites…
desi devotionals against religionless religion khaffars..
as lord krishna famously said in the bhagavad gita..
“arjuna. i am not looking for trouble.but if they want it,they can fookin have it……”
and furthermore.
if one distant place is always more spiritual than the one you`re in now,where does that put your life?…..
None of the legacy issues matter unless you can sign the cheques..and if you think you are going to make your life better sillier wiser healthier sexier and attunedier? by sitting in a shrine or remembering the good times then try some auto hypnosis instead..sit in a car and go vroom vroom without driving anywhere..its similar to discussing or feeling the energy and just as good for you..and if you need an hypnotic anchor for the session use a box of sacred spanners or spark plugs
Better still, post a comment on sannyasnews!
i do i do… hows the harmonica going ? Yeehhhhaaaaa…
Lokesh ,I think Australia won them last time by 4 runs.
HI Friends,
Its true in a charitable trust ,one cant sell the appropiate property attached to the trust but in this case of Osho commune ,Pune they are trying to convert it from Charitable trust to a limited company and then sell vast property of Osho commune which is worth now millions and millions of pounds.
PL read carefully http://www.oshoworks.org for more details and updates.
I find it interesting/ironic that a discussion about the value of Osho’s ‘shrine/samadhi’ is taking place on a website that has as its wallpaper-background a picture of Osho’s shrine.
The great challenge with any spiritual movement is preservation. How do you preserve a master’s wisdom? Clearly YouTube, where Osho videos share space with Lady Kaka, talking dogs, piano-playing cats, and informed comments such as ‘u suck moron!’ won’t do.
In twenty years, most first generation sannyasins (taking sannyas while Osho was in the body) will be gone, at which point the ‘organization’, if it persists, will become a religion. The resort will be the church. Osho however left no real organized doctrinal body of teaching behind. He was, as mentioned above, an iconoclast, and so his teaching is not easy to preserve (as a system) for future generations who did not have contact with him while he lived. Five hundred years from now Osho’s image will probably be closer to how we now think of Heraclitus or Hakuin rather than Jesus or Buddha. (But the iPads that exist then will probably allow for holographic re-creation, in which case the idea of ‘resurrection’ may take on a whole new meaning).
Seems to me that the only way to truly ‘preserve Osho’ is via our meditation practice and inquiry into truth. Osho spoke a lot about ‘dissolving into existence’, and it is certainly true that all things break down, scattering outward into the vastness. The resort is ultimately a means to remember that.
Teertha… are you sure you’re not confusing it with the plumbing at the resort and the Gents lavs…many plumbers i know use the same language of scattering the break down into the varseness of existence…come to think of it they charge a fortune to unblock the simplest blockage… just like any decent self respecting Oshite therapeutae cum healer wallah…
Martyn — Dalai Lama recently bought a hotdog from a street vendor. Gave him $20 and waited patiently, meditatively, for the dog. The vendor eventually handed it to him, all dressed with ketchup and onions, etc., but no change.
‘Hey’ said Dalai Lama, ‘where is my change?’
The vendor shook his head. ‘Change must come from within’ he said.
Any plumber worth their unblocking drano knows that change is more valuable than some gateless Gate.
I didn’t know you were a Tom Jones fan..great song that ‘Why why why DalaiLalama.. i never really understood why he was singing about Tibet , but maybe he was referring to the Dai Jones’s , the Dai Lama’s welsh cousin…
This blog title will soon be released as a full album cd sung to the tune$ by woody guthrie.including…’ this ashrams your land’..sung by finger pickin’ Dharmen ‘silent boy grunt’ ..on harmonica and yodelling louisiana farmboy ‘ Farm Arthur’ supported by the line backing group ‘ THE TOTNES Death Watch Beatlettes’ (yatro ,maneesha et al}