Anatto recalls his first contact in the seventies
By three o’clock in the afternoon of that same day I arrived in Poona; I jumped into a rickshaw and instructed the driver, “To the ashram please”.
Needless to say, on the way to the ashram I started looking around if I would see my friend and strangely enough I spotted him on the road on a bicycle! After a warm hug and a sweet welcome I was so happy to see a known face! He took me into the ashram and showed me around and we had cake and chai at the ashram’s tea shop called Vrindavan which was located within the premises. Walking in, I was overwhelmed by feeling such a freshness, coolness, greenness and cleanliness. I felt I was in heaven.
Gateless Gate, Shree Rajneesh Ashram
I settled at the Shalimar Hotel in town and went to the ashram every morning and although I did see Bhagwan (later Osho) I could not get to understand any of his messages because he was speaking in Hindi. But I observed all these people in the ashram being in obvious harmony; just to walk through the ashram was so uplifting, among the people there was such beauty, such a fragrance. I was fascinated by the way I saw how people were working and living in gentle harmony and I fell in love with that energy.
After a few days I again met my friend nwho told me he was participating in some of the groups offered in the ashram and that I should sign up for some too: “Just go to the office and someone will suggest which ones are good for you.” I really had no idea what a “group” was but it sounded like fun so I went to the office where a young woman called Masta listed eleven groups to participate in, starting with Enlightenment Intensive. I really dived into it and for the next four months I migrated from group to therapy session to methods of meditation and started to peal away layers of family and social conditioning, childhood and adult traumas and repressed emotions of pain and resentment.
When the first English discourse was to be given, I went to Buddha Hall to see Bhagwan (later Osho), expecting to find the truth pouring from his words; however it did not happen that way and I was slightly disappointed. The reason I stayed was the people of the commune, the energy that bonded them, the single-pointedness that connected every one of them until there was no more separation but one unit meditating, working and breathing in harmony.
It was only later that I realized that Bhagwan was the orchestra’s conductor, the one who showed me the way, and found out that what I developed for him was an enormous trust, respect and devotion and especially an enormous gratitude for having put me ON the path, and after a deep clean-up kicked me in the back and let me walk my way alone.
This was the first time in my life that I was able to wake up and open my eyes and see the whole world lit with a different light, the first time when I understood that every person involved at any time in my life was my teacher and every experience was my opportunity to grow. In the years to come I kept traveling the world and between travelers often the question arises “Where did you grow up?” At this I often found myself saying, “I grew up in India! Before that I only vegetated.”
Needless to say my life from the first day I walked in to the ashram started to accelerate at an incredible rate; it is not always an easy or comfortable feeling to live with but I would not have it any other way and most important for me is that I have never been bored since!
Today, 32 years later I finally realized that this feeling of acceleration will never stop; on the contrary if I am on the right path it will always increase until every atom of my body accelerates to such a speed that it will melt me with the universe.
Excerpt from the book, Past the Point of No Return:
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then now
Swami Gyan Anatto was born in Rome, Italy. He took sannyas in 1980 after traveling for months through Nepal, Pakistan and India, avoiding Poona at all cost. He lives in Indonesia, on the island of Bali.
This first appeared on the Oshoworld website
This is a real joy to read and a confirmation of all that I have been saying.It pleases me deeply that finally someone has had the guts to say how it really was. Pune was a paradise on earth, and I saw parts of myself that were given freely without any holding back, seeing so much of my blindness and lack of vitality peel away from blocks that had been put there by all sorts of pressures and compromises.Life was sweet, and I became sweeter. Falling into embraces regularly and with laughter, showed me that the earth is indeed a paradise, and a great journey.
I have to go now as the nurse says I haven’t taken my meds for six overdue hours and I may begin to adopt a multiple personality and start speaking in tongues.
Anatto’s wee essay is really quite sweet. Many people could write similar things. Times change and it all sounds a bit like echoes from the past and one is left with the question, ‘For a movement built around a here and now approach to life why so much harking back to bygone days?’
Can’t Handle The Truth once more returning us to the tired topic of how much gas was Osho actually inhaling, which only says to me that a lot of orthodox sannyasins simply can’t handle the truth by acknowledging the fact that the old boy had a big time romance with jumping jack flash, although what difference that makes to anyone here and now is anyone’s guess.
Thanks to contributors like Martyn this site remains interesting and humourous. Thanks also to Shantam for sticking to his guns. Even though his smoking pistols are loaded with blanks he still provides a fun perspective at which we can toss rotten eggs at. It takes guts to play the role of village idiot.
Osho was a very enlightened chappie, but anyone who still believes he was enlightened in the classic buddhistic sense must be living on another planet.
Orthodox sannyasins…what a thought. Bit of a koan in the sense that it is mind-blowing how such a group of people came to exist.
Most of the sannyasins from around the world have felt transformed in one form or another once life took them in the compound of gateless gate-Rajneesh/Bhagwan/Osho ashram/commune/resort/boutique.
Is it due to the fact that Master was there or it is because of Dynamic, kundalini meditations plus Auervedic Massage with Aura Soma!
The other day, i came to know from one of my friend in Pune, magic of gateless gate is not attrcating many people. In his view, this season has got the lowest no. of visiters.
Dear Readers, I’m absolutely appaled that Anatto has not said a single word about the pygmie tribes inhabiting Koregoan Park during the time of his great liberation. What kind of enlightenment is this? What of the Bodhisatva way? Those poor pygmies with not a single Osho book in their community to awaken them to the fact that the master of masters was responsible for taking over their tribal lands and for cutting up their totem poles to make the gateless gate and melt their war shields to create those fancy brass studs that adorned it. The gateless gate was a gate that shut out the little people and thus, to this very day, they know nothing of Osho’s legacy, heritage, gift to humanity and laughing gas sessions. This is a disgrace. Where is the UN and why don’t they intercede before it is too late? The balance is tipping and dirty white skins in CEO high-backed chairs in The Resort just count the money that pours in from HIV testing at gateless gate. Rebel now before it is too late if it is not already. Anatto, please go to the lobby and receive a courtesy call on the white robe brotherhood phone.
Our resident in-house expert Dr Shatnam, will today inform us exactly how the combined effects of mat thumping , done naked with tape recorder voiceovers by his masters voice, bioenergetic stress positions in airless rooms at soaring tropical temperatures, flushing catharsis for hours on end, re-birthing and days worth of primal interventions, unpredictable emotional states following back to back to intense periods of early morning to late night confrontational questioning plus meditation plus discourse without extended meal breaks, and communal collective living in shared sexually active dormitories,under the watchful eye of interventionist therapists ….who maintained the pressure by positions of seniority and deference and linguistic baggage that was ready with projectionist and other ‘stuff’ routines, …..helped him, Dr Shatnam to open up his aligned spiritual self and mandate for the rest of the world. By example.The lecture will last about three minutes with a coffee break.
Later we will interview the
London centre leader who ran off to New Zealand having collected rent from fellow house inhabitants and never paid it to the landlord whilst telling everyone to shed their secrets, under combative pressure.
The second in command of a certain uk commune whose own son’s story spoke reams about minding your own business instead of being an interfering quack fixer of other people’s.
The royal leg up and legover lady whose own daughter recovered from alcoholic bingeing and married unpredictably financially upwards into the stockbroker belt.
The adviser to an international pop star who was actually from a plebean salvation army nutcase background who became Osho’s chief whipping boy until he had a nervous breakdown and heard space ships in his head in southern england.
A famous psychotic celtic guard at lao tsu who after years of sitting at masters feet , actually made a huge effort and broke a leg … but not his own, in a flying rage.
the greek individual sessions lady and rich girl, who loved other people’s problems so much she attempted several overdose suicides.
the internationally famous emotional releaser who suffers secretly a degenerative disease and who if he isn’t on meds hallucinates that people are out to kill him.
the balkan and resort active ex marine therapist who enjoys orchestrating disciplined breathing sessions on more uplifting moments, until his much younger girlfriend leaves him and drives himself with machinery into a wall.
the centre leader who never did a group in his life but lead them for others, who whisperingly sinisterly threatens you in a headlock for jesting, after mystic rose, …but alas no more.Couldn’t take the joke I suspect.
The senior accountant who paid himself from a communal wage without authority or accountability.
The mouth specialist who liked to remind people who had chronic kidney failure that their opinion didn’t count much because they were dying anyway.And no, it wasn’t intended as a joke.
Don’t start me on the ranch…..like Dr Shatnam, unfortunately, I wasn’t there.
Oh and don’t forget the central london famous medical practitioner,centre leader and rich maharaja, whose own son gave illegal and virus laden blood transfusions.The maharaja was also able to give bags of insight to his closest daily attending follower and almost-living-there disciple, who wore texas boots and a red robe,who is now doing six years in prison for rape of many girls in us and uk.
ahemmm
anyone want tea ?
Tell it like it is THEN wax lyrical, it has more kudos then and is actually less of a cover story for cosmoposhitan and more about growing hairs on your chest.I stayed within the remit of sannyas for years, actually growing my own voice in my own way. And trying to avoid the worst of the worst, and remaining cool calm and collected….and giving it back large.. that’s the fun bit…..!
and still I think that it was better than the intended socialising norms of people like our paedophile science teacher at my public school who was last year jailed for those offences after a 4O year wait.
most of the time anyway…….
It was a very great time, and many had a very good time, and there was light around, all sorts of light. But was it because of the Buddhafield, and in spite of the organisation????
if you read my caravanserai the conclusion is, it was because of you.
Oshoness was in large part a manifestation of much more than what you bargained for. As for what Osho did to your heart that was in meaningful effect just between you, him and possibly just a few true and trusted friends.The rest was showtime invention because life deserves more than mundane social democratic interactions, and we wanted the show to go on. Reality then clicked in, he died and what’s left is close to worthless, unfortunately. But I’m always willing to spin the wheel of fortune.And for a few good years now I have me, not ‘it’. That must be worth it. Cheers to Oshoness , in a sort of upside down, devil may care way.
What more Life deserves, instead the will for celebration?
Where Light is as well is shade.
Actually, Osho and all Sannyasins proven, a social life out of celebration is possible. Thanks for the always celebration.
Have wondered if that atmosphere wasn’t hugely to do with all those young people, the majority in their twenties, a constant stream of them, finding this new and exciting environment, and Osho was the cause in that we came for him, but the atmosphere would have been much the same if all that same activity was going on, and activity was a key word, and he wasn’t there.
We didn’t sit on our energy did we. Groups. Active meditations. Dancing and singing. Charging around like loons. Fighting and loving and huggin’, and whingin’. The usual stuff, but without authority figures to tell us of, or punish us.
Arpana says:
The usual stuff, but without authority figures to tell us of, or punish us.
Actually, we were given permission to be happy and naughty. That is all we ever need, permission. What was happening between “Us” and “Osho” was a case cyclical enabling.
Psychologically there is such a thing as upper pleasure limit. We all tend to self-sabotage when we reach our limit.
If Martyn has a choice, he will blame for every crime in London to queen.
If Martyn has a choice, he will blame for every unhappy incident in world on Christianity.
One thing is clear, before or after Osho, no other master has encourgaed people to fall in love or fall out of love. I think they were clever, why to take shit from people, who will be on the receiving end of Adultary. Why to break people´s illusions that Love is permanent, i mean person who gives you good head will stay till the last rites!
shantam, when crossing the road do you look both ways and declare yourself a presence to be reckoned with so that everyone knows the situation?
….or do you dart in and out of vacant spaces leaving safety margins to fate itself, then blame others for poor driving ?
Or put it another way, when Osho said take responsibility .. he meant it..
And also he himself may well have benefited from receiving a few good warnings (just like you post here on all and everything wrong with the ‘shram now) at the time of the ranch about what exactly was going on, if we believe he was in the dark according to his script. Next time you meet such a man you may well give him some precautionary advice about noses and what’s in front of them. Whether then , as a 100 foot bridge jumper in the monsoons, he takes any notice is for him to decide, at least then he’ll have a choice on seeing whether his ‘shram goes down the swanny like his best mate did as a young boy, or not.. and having some feedback from more than three people.
Thats what I did, then I retired to puffing on my pipe and posting on SN in case anyone can use my approach for love, life and laughter. It’s a multi-universe and you get loads of it here on show on SN, warts an all with nothing like the suppression you get in the official centres, mostly hierarchical, mostly with vested interests.
cheers.
a swami…
Also, I would be remiss to not mention that I refer in the book (in Chapter 10) to an Oregon congressman, Jim Weaver, who reported his discovery of ‘nitrous oxide spigots’ by Osho’s bedside after Osho had vacated his Rajneeshpuram residence in Oregon. What I neglected to add is that these spigots may simply have been for Osho’s asthma; in addition, Weaver has been shown by other erroneous claims to have not been a credibly unbiased observer. (This does not negate the reality that Osho used nitrous oxide, that is indisputable. The unresolved question is to what extent he did. The accompanying question, of course, is to what extent the whole matter is even relevant. These matters were certainly not meant to be resolved in the book, but rather to operate as ‘reflective tools’ to enable us to examine our own inner process).
As someone who was an Osho disciple for many years while the master lived, I recognize that my doubting of Osho’s ‘full enlightenment’ (as I state at the close of Chapter 3) renders me a heretic in orthodox sannyasin eyes, and one might also question how many times I cite the psychiatrist Anthony Storr in Chapter 3, regarding Osho’s awakening process in 1953, but I think the need for all students of Osho’s work to lean toward an evolutionary edge — something that frequently involves questioning the ‘unquestionable’ — far transcends sentimental loyalism.
Dear Mr Mistletoe,
Thank you for the consummate update. You clearly are conscientious to a tee, which is a reminder of the earnestness of some of our last century’s African explorers’ diaries. It’s a trait worth having and worth its weight in solomonic gold. The mere mentioning of which returns me to your valuable opus and handsomely researched work.Without over-egging the issue, it is of considerable range and depth. In point of fact and without seeming to appear importunate, I should compare its effect to that which one has missed in the compendium of thought, without realizing its absence, until the welcome appearance of your publication’s esteemed meritworthy rendition of chthonic realities conjoining mythical and unseen worlds with scrupulous further evidence for the evident and seen one.
My wife is a great fan of yours and often holds your works aloft during her favourite activity, that is, whilst having a jolly worthwhile bedtime read. One minor point I noticed however, is that after reaching chapter 35 , achieving the reading of which had, by then, already burnt the nighttime candle down to its blackened wick, my wife suddenly gasped out loud, fainted and had to be brought round with smelling salts. She now considers herself to be possessed by the powers of the underworld and surrounds the book with chopped garlic and talismans made of the wood of the ngoro ngoro tree from the pygmy lands of the congo.
Should I be concerned ?
Yours etc…
You cant handle the truth says:
You cant handle the truth … something that frequently involves questioning the ‘unquestionable’ — far transcends sentimental loyalism.
Why are such matters still important to you? In the world of osho poker you were dealt a bad hand and folded a long time ago. If you want play again you have to put more anti. You must have come with expectations … otherwise what is the problem? Osho wasn’t putting himself up as a role model …
Some fall in love with Osho before they really know him or his politics. This chap here puts it apty:
ASANGA INTERVIEW AT KRETA (4/4)
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enjoy..
Why Osho be enlightened in the classic Buddhistic sense?
Are they the ultimate yard stick to gauge enlightenment or the sympathy for Tibetan cause has created a romantic idea about Zen and all that Buddhist chants.
I also won´t expect Lokesh to be enlightened in the classic Oshoite sense. Atleast from a sensible and rational person like him, it is expected to go through series of Psychological brain mapping in case, UG kind of lightening makes the brain chips memory free.
Sensible and rational…me? You have to be joking, Shantam. There is nohing romantic about the buddhist concept of enlightenment. I do not claim to be enlightened in any sense, so you can let go of your unexpectations.
“Classic Buddhistic” sense? which “classic” buddhistic sense are you talking about? there are at least two- the one which a person decides what incarnation they will take; or the one which it’s totally arbitrary, a roll of the dice sort of speak, with a little dash of karma thrown in, to fix the dice…. stick with your bizarre one liners please, it fits your “karma”.
Karma? Please enlighten me as to how you envisage karma. I’m sure it will prompt a few comments.
it depends on what “school” of buddhism you follow. The tibetan school or the southern asian school… the tibetan school says, you create your “karma”, or energies used on this plane of existence and followed through after death where a person picks his/her next incarnation.. the south asian(Sri Lankan, Thai, Burmese, etc) school says that a person really has no control of one’s actions and afterlife choices along with their next incarnation- roll of the dice sort to speak… either one is right, or both are wrong and something else is going on here that we no notion of how the big game is played.
Karma is… what confusion and lie does out of Love!
ooh,i love a bit of eastern philosophy….
karma translates as “doing” doesn`t it?
so karma is whatever you are doing.
of course, that depends on who or what you take “you” to be.
for example,when your food is digesting
or your internal organs are working
or you are asleep at night and dreaming
or you are breathing,
and the workings of your pituary gland..
are “you” doing that?
karma refers to all that doing.
and your relation with it.
and at a further level, as “you” are also interdependent with what seems to be “not-you”..
food, air, environment,family,others etc…
“you” are all that stuff happening too.
its a big trip.
and from “my” or “your” point of view,.
its definitely a dice game being played by some big time nutter/god
the trick is to align your little “you” with the big “you”
then you become the nutter/god…
simple.
anyway,thet`s what ghandoo told me…..
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/MWScan/tamil/index.html
http://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/mwquery/
I am having a strong suspicion around Karma. I found Karma translated as “above” and deduced from “Karman” as the above linked Vedic dictunary translate Karma.
Within the Atava Veda i have found a Prayer to Love and Love is in the Vedas spelled “Kâma”. Nowhere in the Veda I have found another Kâma / Love. It makes me stronly doubting about the truth of this Karma concept.
kAma (kAma) m. wish, desire, longing for (gen., dat., or loc.); love, inclination, lust, pleasure; pers. as the god of desire or of love; adj. — (esp. after an inf. stem in {tu}) wishing for, intending to. — {kA3mAya} or {kAme} according to one’s wish, out of love for or for the sake of (gen. or dat.) {kAmAt & kAmatas} voluntarily, intentionally. {kAmayA} (instr. f.) only after {brUhi & prabrUhi} freely, unreservedly.
41 kAmadeva m. the god of love.
42 kAmaja a. born of desire or love.
43 kAmalubdha a. libidinous (lit. greedy of love).
44 kAmamUta a. actuated by love.
45 kAmAndha a. blind from love.
46 kAmasUtra n. the thread of love, also a love-manual.
47 kAmatantra n. the book of love, T. of a work.
48 kAmavaza m. subjection to love, amorousness.
49 kAmazAstra n. manual of pleasure or of love.
All I want to say, it’s possible that Karma in the first place has to be translated as Love. Such as absolute possitive not something what has to be overcomed, as something what has to be integrated in daily life by understanding it the other way round.
In the school I’m currently enrolled in the whole concept of reincarnation has been tossed out the window. Phew! What a relief. Buddha declared karma to be one of the imponderables. Which kind of leaves you wondering
buddhist tossers,eh?
yeah,i`ve met a few of them.
frank- so what then about the buddhist concept that there is no “You”, that the body and mind are illusions? The “my” or “your” that you speak about mean nothing, and that there is no one doing anything. That’s what i’m talking about with regards to the two different buddhist schools, the southern asian one where there is no control, just we are parts of one Whole that is doing everything so that all actions are really neutral and there is no “good” or “bad”, yin/yang sort to speak, cause the “one” Whole consciousness is really playing a giant game with itself.. so in essence there is no such thing as karma if one looks at things plainly.. Consciousness is just a chronic wanker.
baba,
i am not a buddhist.
but if the whole of existence is playing a game with itself,
there has to be a structure to the game…
good and evil are part of the structure of the game,
they only exist in a relative sense…
thats like a game of football.
winners and losers are relative.
the deeper underlying fact is that the players are playing the same game in the same field and win/lose is part of the structure.
my buddhistic,football-based vision of enlightenment would be something like:
“its not the winning and losing,its the enjoying taking part”
frank- you may think there has to be some structure to it all but that’s your head trip.. doesn’t mean structure actually exists- its yours/mine/everyone’s head trip… just because we feel it should be so or think it’s so, doesn’t mean it actual IS so…. The point of the matter being – we are thinking it then it has to exist… one of the mental problems with extremists like Hitler… order of the world – according to him.
the Gateless Gate/ the Structureless Structure… etc etc.
babasvetlana says:
The point of the matter being – we are thinking it, then it has to exist…
If we can think it, we can make it. We are actually creating our own reality. How’s yours?
There is such a thing as Consensus Reality and we all agree that the physical medium is not only immensely stable, it also generates information. And yes there is a plan. It’s an open plan. Its structure is the human brain, the most complex structure known in the universe.
I do not know much of Buddha or Buddhist, but my sneaking suspicion is: another son of another emperor practical for their own interests of keeping power and creating their ideas into the Archetype manner. What those people like Jesus and Buddha brought to Humanity instead patience with Royals of the so called “Mob”.
Is that this inside outside thing? What is our collective expression of Love? Or at least of our self – respect, got it all lost within installed confusion about Love? Perhaps an impact on the relation between man and woman what seems contaminated, a little distorted.
baba,
the idea that “it” doesnt exist is just your head trip too!
fortunately your head trip and my head trip are obviously part of “it” too.
no probs.
conversely,that wall that you`re banging your head against doesnt exist either.
thats a relief isnt it?
remember heaven by the talking heads?
“heaven is a place where nothing ever happens..
its hard to imagine that nothing at all could be so exciting,could be this much fun”
that was a good one.
walls don’t think Frank
“we can think it- we can make it”- not so- try instead- “one needs to know his limitations”…as humans we can only go so far in creating things… laws of physics for example. we can’t travel at light speed for instance, just impossible.. We can’t fly like birds because we don’t have wings, sure we can build gliders, planes etc, but to fly and experience flight like a bird- never… We can’t breathe under water with out an aid of scuba gear… got anymore bright ideas?
There is a horrid ‘70s Xtian propaganda movie called “Gods Of The New Age” which states that at some point soon after the Indian independence there was a meeting there in which was decided that Hindu missionaries were to be sent round the world to convert everybody to Hinduism and all these gurus (including Out Friend) were and are part of that drive. We definitely picked up and are repeating a lot of their spiritual waffle. Terms like Karma, Reincarnation, Aura, just ike ‘Living In The Spirit Of Christ’ are so open to interpretation that they are actually meaningless.
Yes, we are just rugrat until… realizing Sarman’s self, watching those clouds vaporising.
Preetam, sorry but your last two posts are too hard to understand.
Kâma can be found originally in the Vedas. Spelled it is “Kâma” what means in the first place “Love”. Karma, spelled with r, I couldn’t find in English translated Ric, Sama or Atharva Veda. To me, Kâma not an invention of Buddhists, perhaps Buddha learned through Vedic teachings. And right at that spot I doubt Buddhism. Karma spelled with “r” must be a result of the translation from Sanskrit into another language. It is originally something what has to be realized and not to be overcome. What New Age and the Theosophical scene now made from “Kâma / Love” seems worse for human psychic.
babasvetlana says:
as humans we can only go so far in creating things… laws of physics for example…. … got anymore bright ideas?
There is plenty of room to maneuver before we need to start breaking the laws of physics.
With the basic question of, “How do we live?” some of our models go back to Sumeria for christ’s sake. We need to reboot and update the software. I don’t think that sannyasins will any longer get convinced with mere words, without seeing.
Lokesh says:
>Orthodox sannyasins…what a thought. Bit of a koan in the sense
>that it is mind-blowing how such a group of people came to exist.
Orthodox sannyasins must be the ones stuck in the Pune1 period.
I see orthodox sannyasins in a number of forms, their common denominator is often denial.
i take it lokesh, that when you say “orthodox”, you also mean, “catholic”. It’s typical of these types of people no matter what religion or guru they may follow.. the rules of nature apply to everyone except them…. mistakes are made by others, not by people who fly their gurus banner. So explains, why they excuse or make up excuses for Osho, Sheela, and others in upper food chain of the Sannyas organization. Looking through Rose-colored glasses by any other name.
Make that mystic rose-coloured glasses.
that’ll cost you 500 euros, for my advice.. cheaper than the mystic rose group.. worth every penny….
same as Egyptians then….must be the Book of Froth that whips them all together I reckon….personally I recommend looking for the source or the confluence of the two streams …that unites into one big alpha omega and delta…(more next week )
no Vartan, he speaks of people like you, in the present time.
babasvetlana says:
no Vartan, he speaks of people like you, in the present time.
If you are referring to the ‘orthodox’ … I haven’t as yet totally committed my mind as to how I will be approaching the subject in order to suit today’s environment.
There are two lines of thought at play. One which says that Osho arrived ready-made (for example, the Resort feels this way by not putting dates in his books) and the other that he evolved as he absorbed new information based on his experiments.
At this point I may even say that 50% of Pune1 was just “the calling” and of no philosophical value and that is why he “appeared” later on to be contradicting … which means that the later statement is the truer one. So to call me orthodox is a disservice. For the moment I am looking at the whole spectrum and constantly adjusting my standpoint. I am looking at you guys, and I am looking at the Resort, and Arun’s mob, and Oshodhara, and Veeresh’s mafia, and whoever else is sticking their head above the parapet.
If I were to describe my vision I would say it is part traditional and part futuristic. If I were to give it a word I would call it super-retro.
‘looking at you guys’ Oh, a spectator in our midst.
Lokesh says:
‘looking at you guys’ Oh, a spectator in our midst.
I am checking for leaks.
here’s looking at you , kid.
when will “The resort” leaders elect their “pope”? i mean their acting like the fuckin catholic church, re-writing osho’s lectures, reinventing his meditations and their purpose. Sounds like the catholic church just after the 1st century.. they’ve got balls given that most of what the old man said is recorded and published, the catholic church could pull off a stunt like that cause there weren’t any electronic recording devises, but sannyasins will somehow justify the Resort leaders and others’ actions to change the old man’s statements and direction. Just throw around some millions of $$$$ and people will look the other way, just to keep their high status within the organization… talking about being a sell out. they’re not cheap, but definitely easy.
I am trapped behind this flickering screen, unable to reach out to anyone’s avatar for a virtual hug or bliss out moment of shared apopleptic truthful joy. Instead I am in my aloneness watching the emptyfulness of the no self, and typing to fill the empty space. Nothing new or gatelessly gatey about that then.
Is SN torturing me on purpose with these news postings of better times…and can I break free of reading things to myself then typing a reply to someone who isn’t there until later? What a cruel heartless finale to what started out as a journey of youthful mystical ecstasy in communal namasteing. I have become a sannydroid not at the gateless gate but at the pointless point.
Will i ever become one or even… three quarters ?
I would compromise as I’m not greedy for what is my true nature……… and 75 % seems reasonable to me, ….well alright if my true nature was a car I guess it would have to have a sun roof and a top speed of 200mph. Who am I kidding ..? As it is I’m a second hand Robin Reliant with 3 wheels unable to even negotiate the minor bends of living ,with no insurance to boot or reverse gear.
Still like the man said…Why was I born ? Because the universe likes talking to itself via a third party….or even reading other people’s blogs…
the universe , like me, has copious amounts of time to do what it wants….for no reason whatsoever… how gatelessly gatey of me really….
If you are reading this then you too are at the pointless point .
and long may it remain so…..
this posting was brought to you courtesy of Finnegan’s Wake publications, Pune.
prem martyn says:
>Still like the man said…Why was I born ?
To use intelligence and language as weapons.
>If you are reading this then you too are at the pointless point .
You are projecting.
‘Vartan’ as much as can be established is mostly just a disembodied figment of my imagination, and the ‘j’accuse’ is therefore me, combined with my imagining of who you are….
perish the thought.. that couldn’t be happening here … that’s far too creative…..????
projections are for one to know and for the other to surmise.. otherwise its a projection the other way round….
as they say in court when there’s no evidence.. ‘projection overruled’
takka takka takka ….kaboom…..
watch out… sarge…
incoming……
prem martyn says:
projections are for one to know and for the other to surmise.. otherwise its a projection the other way round….
Projection is depression standing on its head.
Take buffoonery away from religions and sects and they look like Protestant church or Osho Resort, quite upright, quite straight, yet juice less…Nestle milk powder like.
Too much buffoonery also makes the religion or its torch bearers as a cynical world news.
One very famous Hindu saint; Shri Asa Ram Bapu has proved himself one such clown. He is even in daily mail. Gujrati Hindus, the richest Indians in UK and USA must be feeling a bit awkward!
Don’t be so hard on yourself Shantam…..we know you are only pretending to be the wise fool.. inside you there’s an idiot waiting to ..
…. just a minute…..
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Hi Parmartha..
Have you heard the one about these four blokes .. anyway there’s these four guys: a Harry Potter’s-Wizard-Hermetic, Don’t challenge-my-libido, Non-recovering Spiteful Carnivore-Alcoholic , Monotheistic Obligational Greek Orthodox Hermit, …anyway they all walk into this blog and one turns to the other and says…..
‘ I’m somewhat affiliated, by my own definition, to a vision of a mutually enhancing spiritual identity, by way of a fully comically provocative guru’
and they all go…..
‘ You must be joking…..’
Less of a religious legacy…. more like a severely crossed phone line……
or was it something I said ?…… oops … !
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re..anatto recalls his first contact in the 70s….
a nice bit of nostalgia…
it all comes back….
ziggy stardust only visited this planet for a while….
triggered the phenomenon of glam gurus with glittery space-suits….
a star man who thought he`d blow our minds..
… lets dance..
…you gotta make way for the homo superior…
he could lick em by smiling,
he could leave em to hang…
we thought we could be heroes
forever and ever…
but it was just for one day..
and we all know major tom was a junkie
strung out in heavens` high……
so…..
where are we now?
??
frank says:
so…..
where are we now?
Doing The Great Work frank. Do not underestimate the validity of your input.
Frank you are a truly creative individual with a lot of energy ..
i have been noticing your contributions over the years and you really must have realised by now, how worthwhile it has been for you…..do you notice how much better you feel after each of your posts ?
I am currently writing a book on projections , depressions and weapons as words. I have come to realise that if undisciplined thoughts come to mind which are not allowed, such as depression and projection, then it’s best to throw not only one word but the whole book at them. Something weighty like the thoughts of St Augustine coupled with the AA book of DIY, ( ps the section on domestic plumbing as a cure for depression is in my mind bound to fail in fits of rage, especially without the right u-bend in stock.)
A lot of creative people have given depression a bad name. My book aims to put that right by putting implosive bad moods back where they belong, as an ancient solution to feeling good. Frankly Frank, feeling good or the generic happiness-at-ease videos of those who have successfully tangled with the coils of depression , really makes me fed up. Which is why I don’t watch them these days. Not because I want to remember who I am , but because I want to forget who they are. Simples really. I also have a chapter on hippopotamus-es (more correctly, hippopotam-i) and wallowing. Depression- like my girlfriend, is a great feeling when you invite it to get you by the balls. Giving over to depression via nothing more than some good introspection with melancholic music and repeating ‘what’s the point’ without any sustainable method or insightful reply is my favourite most accessible reason for living. Luckily it’s also communal, as one often realises it just makes me typically historically human in a sort Delacroix liferaft of the medusa type situation.I often recommend if one can keep the depression simmering at low burn, it generally has a habit of never coming to the boil and spilling over into being totally pointless.
Love
VITHAL K. ( ET News )
As our car rushes down Kalo Dungar, the driver warns us to brace ourselves for paranormal (adbhut) speeds. And lo and behold! We do seem to be doing a rollercoaster down the Magic Mountain of Kutch!
Later, at the foot of the mountain, the driver tells us that even switching off the ignition does not seem to prevent the acceleration down hill; the vehicles still go down at speeds exceeding 80 kmph!
Officials at Bhuj repeat the same story.
Apparently, the so-called mystery is still being unraveled. Some folks insist that it needs to be gazetted as more than just a ‘rural legend’. There’s also some uncertainty about the ‘true’ Master of the shrine a top Kalo Dungar.
Most people invoke Sri Dattatreya. But some speak about a Datta-bhakta called Lakkhguru. Some colonial records point to a Pachmai Pir and his parasol (chhatri) being in place of the present temple. Folklore even outside KutchBSE 4.96 % talks about Sri Dattatreya’s penchant for Sufi attire or Malang vesh. Now, while Malang is synonymous with Sufi, the word is derogatively used sometimes for ‘mad’ or ‘nomad’.
In poetry or philosophy, however, Malang is reserved for a mystic: someone who does not care much for his external circumstances; someone who remains unworldly while going through the motions of being worldly. That description matches the seemingly bizarre displays of Tantric behaviour associated with Sri Dattareya. But the floridly transgressive sage ( Unmatta pishachavritti) is also enlightenment embodied ( Jnanamurtim). We bow to Him, the Remover of Dualities.
Gandhooo LOkka Maraj : Osho was a very enlightened chappie, but anyone who still believes he was enlightened in the classic buddhistic sense must be living on another planet.
Now this bastard Gandhoo Lokka Maraj will give certificate to OSHO about enlightnment. why u r so much caring about anyones belief ??? look at your stupid beliefs. What is yr buddhistic sense…. heyyyy Gandhooo name atlest 25 peoples around the world u think , have unconditioned mind.
Osho:
“BELOVED Tyohar,
DO YOU EVER SURPRISE YOURSELF? — AND IF YOU DO, WHO IS SURPRISING WHOM?
There is no one to surprise or to be surprised.
I am as absent as I will be when I will be dead, with only one difference… that right now my absence has a body, and then, my absence will not have a body.”
Once we believe in ourselves, we can risk curiosity , wonder , spontaneous delight ,or any experience that reveals the human spirit. – e.e.cummings
BELOVED OSHO,
WHEN YOU CAME TO SAY FAREWELL TO DADAJI ON THE PODIUM IN BUDDHA HALL, SUDDENLY THE AREA WHERE YOU AND DADAJI’S BODY WERE BECAME LIKE A FILM. YOU BOTH SEEMED TO BE WITHOUT SUBSTANCE. THE OTHER HALF OF THE PODIUM WHERE MATAJI SAT, AND THE REST OF BUDDHA HALL WHERE WE WERE ALL SITTING, SEEMED NORMAL. JUST THE PART WHERE YOU WERE SEEMED DIFFERENT. WHAT HAPPENED?
Death, if it happens with enlightenment, is a tremendous experience. On the one hand the man dies; on the other hand he achieves the totality of life.
When I touched my father’s seventh chakra, just on the top of the head, those who were perceptive, silent, meditative, may have experienced something strange happening. According to the centuries-old science of inner reality, a man’s life energy is released from the center, the chakra, at which he was living.
Most people die from the lowest chakra, the sex center. There are seven chakras in the body from where life can go out of the body. The last is on top of the head, and unless you are enlightened life cannot go out from that chakra.
When I touched my father’s seventh chakra, it was still warm. Life had left it, but it was as if the physical part of the chakra was still throbbing with the tremendous happening.
It is a rare happening. And in that moment it may have appeared to many that the small section on the podium where I was with my father’s body was in a different world. It was, in a sense, because it was on a different level. Just by his feet was my mother… and ten thousand sannyasins in Buddha Hall — that was the normal world.
But something abnormal had happened. The chakra was still warm, the body was as if it was still rejoicing in the phenomenon. If you had eyes to see, then this distinction was bound to be seen.
It is good that it came to your vision, the difference. It is a difference of levels. The lowest is where most people are living, and the effort here is, in this mystery school, to bring everybody to the highest.
Slowly, slowly, moving from one center into another, you will also feel within your body a few things. For example, if you are existing at the sex center, you will find a subtle division — below the lower center and above the lower center. You can feel it, that in the body below it and the body above it there seems to be a division, because the lower body has no centers, no chakras. It is the same for anybody. Wherever he is, the body below the sex center remains the same; it is our roots in the earth.
But if your center changes, comes to a higher level — for example if your heart becomes your very life — you will see again that below your heart the whole body is separate, and above the heart the whole body is separate. Wherever your energy is there will be a separation line.
When you reach to the seventh chakra, then the whole body is below it and there is no division. The seventh chakra is only in a sense in the body; otherwise it is above the body, as if a line touching your head is pulsing. Your whole body will become one, and for the first time you will see there are no divisions — and this you can watch.
With each chakra coming into function, your actions will change, your responses will change, your dreams will change, your aspirations will change, your whole personality will go through a change. As you move higher, newer dimensions start happening which were not available to you before.
For example, the heart center is almost in the middle; three centers are above it and three centers are below it. The man of the heart will be the most balanced man. In his actions, in his feelings, in everything he does he will find a subtle balance, an equilibrium. He will never be hectic; there will be a grace.
In other words, he has found the center of his life, exactly the middle path. You will not see any extremes in him, and because all extremes have disappeared from his life he will have a balanced view of everything. He will not be rightist, he will not be leftist; he will always be fair and just.
If the world was run according to me, then I would choose as magistrates and judges only people who are at their heart center, because only they can be just and fair. It is not a question of intellectual qualifications or seniority; it is a question of your inner balance.
The Sufi story is…. Mulla Nasruddin is chosen an honorary magistrate. The first case appears. He hears one side and declares to the court, “Within five minutes I will be back with the judgment.”
The court clerk could not believe it — he has not heard the other side! The clerk whispered in his ear, “What are you doing? Don’t you see a simple thing? You have heard only one party, one side. The other side is waiting, and without hearing them you cannot give any judgment.”
Mulla Nasruddin said, “Don’t try to confuse me. Just now I am absolutely clear. If I hear the other side too, then there is bound to be confusion.”
These Sufi stories are not just ordinary stories, they are extraordinary. It is saying that every judge is listening only to one side because he already has a prejudiced mind; he is not capable of listening to both sides. For that a totally different kind of man is needed — which no educationalist concerning law and jurisprudence has even thought about.
No one thinks — you ask the judge to be fair, but his mind is prejudiced. He cannot even hear both stories, both sides, with the same clarity — impossible. He only pretends. In all the courts of the world there are pretensions.
And now that I have been in the courts I can see, and say with absolute authority that they don’t listen to both sides. They can’t! I am not complaining: I am simply stating a fact. Their education is wrong.
As you go above the heart center, new things that may not have ever been a part of your life start happening. The second chakra above the heart is the throat. If that chakra has your life energy, then whatever you say has a deep authority in it. Without any effort to convert anybody, it converts, because it convinces.
The chakra above that is the most famous and well-known — the one on the forehead between the two eyes. That kind of energy moving through the agnya chakra, the sixth, has a deep hypnotic influence. It is managed… the person is not doing anything; it simply happens, his eyes become so full of some unknown magnetism.
The man with the seventh chakra open has the capacity, the intrinsic flowering, so that his presence becomes infectious. Below the seventh, the presence is not infectious; with the seventh chakra opening, it is as if the consciousness has blossomed and there is a fragrance, an aura.
Whoever is available to this presence, to this aura, will feel the freshness of a breeze, the freshness after a shower. And many rotten things — rubbish that you have been entangled in, fighting — will simply disappear from your life. Just a touch from this kind of man will be a transformation.
But that evening something was transpiring, and what you noted was an energy phenomenon; many others must have noted the same.
I answer such questions in order for you to become aware of your own situation and start moving upwards. Osho …
Jai OSHO , Jai J.Krishnamurti , Jai Mooji , Jai Eckhart , Jai Tyohar , Jai Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath….. where is gandhoooLokka… hahahaha …LOL!!!!
An ancient Sufi parable says:
Four persons decided to go into silence. They moved into a cave; they wanted to live in silence for three months, because they had heard so much about it — they had become so much intrigued. They were so ambitious to gain something out of it. It was not understanding that had brought them to the cave. It was greed, it was desire, ambition.
Hence within minutes everything was exposed. Just within minutes the first man said, “I wonder whether I have put the candle out or not? It will be a sheer wastage, there is nobody in the house.”
The second one said, “You fool! You have spoken! And we have taken the vow of silence.”
The third one laughed and said, “You are a greater fool! If he had spoken, what was the need for you to speak?”
And the fourth one said, “Thank God, I am the only one who has not spoken yet.”
Just by being silent nothing changes, you remain the same. Transformation comes through awareness. Awareness brings a silence of its own, very alive, throbbing with eternity, full of a song. It is not sad and not serious because it is not dead, it has a dance to it. It is tremendously beautiful, it is positive, existential. It does not make you just a hollow thing. It makes you so full that you start overflowing with joy. You become so fulfilled that you cannot contain your contentment within yourself, you have to share it. You become a cloud full of rainwater. You have to shower it.
But out of a hundred so-called seekers, it is only once in a while that a rare seeker comes to know the difference between the real silence and the unreal silence. How can the fool within you be dropped by being silent? Yes, it will not be expressed, but it will be there. In fact it will become more and more powerful — unexpressed it will accumulate energy. And any moment, any opportunity, and you will show it; you will be unable to hide it forever.
Jai Old Buoy , Jai J.Krishnamurty , Jai UG , Jai Eckhart , Jai Mira , Jai Rabia , Jai Lalleshwari , Jai Mooji , Jai Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath , Jai Tyohar…where is GandhoooLokkkaa …. hahahaha ..LOL!!!
consciousness, observes of this sea of infinite possibilities around us . But consciousness does not only observe, it creates , makes sense out of this sea of apparent randomness. Observation doesn’t collapse a wavefunction, it’s the fact you must interfere with the experiment in order to? make that observation (e.g., bombarding the photons with photons from a
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