Les Zaitz, a long time journalist with the Oregonian newspaper invited sannyasins to respond some two years ago to their experiences between 1981 and 1985 at the Sannyas Commune in Oregon, Rajneeshpuram. He was criticised by some leading current Osho disciples for many things, but one suspects that many wanted and still want to “suppress” both their memories and the main plank of the story itself. And this for multiple reasons. He responded to them by saying
“So, for those who still harbor their misgivings, I find that unfortunate. They must still fear the truth, and that’s all I’ve ever been interested in. I truly thought my effort to reach out globally to solicit memories would be welcomed. I have had some wonderful responses ‑ honest, candid and sharing. This remains a chance for many of those not responsible for the criminal conduct to share with the greater world their perspective on these matters. That responding to such a request somehow might not be a good idea implies somehow that being honest is not a good idea.”
I dont see much wrong with these words of his.
Another thing, because I was at Rajneeshpuram at the time, all hard “news” about what was happening, was suppressed or covered up for many weeks around August/September, 1985 to working sannyasins there. In fact in that atmosphere gossip always takes over, and stories became exaggerrated and out of control. So when a friend managed to get a regular copy of the Oregonian to me, and also because I worked in the Tool Shop where I had a secret radio, and could listen to local news…. well I was wise enough to see there was more than a kernel of truth in most the reports., and was grateful to read and listen and prepare an escapade with a few friends, should the National Guard come over the hill.
Most pristinely “positive” sannyasins, even to this day disliked Les Zaitz, but I say it was good he existed, and continues to exist. The Oregonian was responsible for putting the Grand Jury transcripts from 1985 into the public domain. Even quite recently someone I met said they just did not believe the crimes of Sheela’s gang – yet they are clearly itemised in a number of the testimonies and they include attempted murder and poisoning of the Dalles, a local town, etc.
The main problem with Zaitz and the Oregonian seemed to me then and now a simple one. They believed in common with many others, and a large number of ex-sannyasins that “Osho was behind it all”. I have read at different times, a great deal about Rajneeshpuram, including the Grand Jury testimonies, and nothing I have read can even indicate this, on the contrary the more it is studied it is clear that Sheela herself was not well in the head after maybe 1982, and even conspired against Osho himself with wiretapping his room. Maybe this is just too simple for some, including Zaitz, but nonetheless I am grateful to him and his newspaper for what they did then, and the work they did recently in publishing the Grand Jury transcripts.
We got caught up in such an elitist trip, to a greater or lesser degree, did we not?; along with the expectation we should stick together, as do elite, and stigmatised groups; because as Osho people, we were both put on a pedestal and stigmatised. Still are…
I’ve met some great people among sannyasins, people with sannyas names, ‘cos not everyone with a sannyas name is a sannyasin, and not everybody without one isn’t., and fortunately I’ve never met anyone who was a complete remorseless shit, apart from an individual who posted here and that twat Osho Rajneesh; and I would invite most of you to eat if you didn’t live so damn far away.
Further to that, I have two neighbours, who are in their seventies, working-class Brits, who left school when they were fifteen. We have nothing in common. They aren’t bookish, painters, they’ve never meditated, haven’t got sannyas names, and I love them to bits. Smokin’ folk. Never laughed so much in the company of two people in my life, so I can accommodate to the notion that the reporter is a decent man, a man of honour. A good egg.
Nasty business that Rajneeshpuram, don’t suppose we’ll ever know the full story but IMO there’s no way Osho himself was personally behind the attested shenanikins. Unless he’d changed dramatically from university then Bombay days, which is unlikely, he was far too flippin’ lazy to be embroiled in such mischief. Sheela on the other hand was a very busy bee and by some accounts a possibly deranged and reportedly over- medicated busy bee at that. Mate of mine lives in Portland and travels round Oregon a lot. Still lots of strong anti-Osho feelings over there and it’s likely the blue collar folk who are most against us yet. Indifference in Europe to us is maybe no bad thing and in India, as far as the resort stream goes, it’s maybe just that bit respected now, if only as a successfulish business.. Taking Sannyas is still an option if folk are meant to find it and then decide to. Some still do that and it takes all sorts.
Asked this before on here: Is sannyas maybe that bit ‘denominational’ now?
You got your wannabe official OIF/resort strand.
Various independents.
The old hands, who had it direct and are getting nostalgic.
Old hands who just carried on regardless [Viha maybe?]
Young guns in town.
Shysters [Prefixed 'Osho'...Rajneesh etc]
Book buyers
and so on.
It happened that one of the great historians was writing the history of the whole world. It was an immense job to write the whole history of the whole world, of all the nations. He devoted almost fifty years, working almost twelve, fourteen hours a day. And the day he was coming to his last page, something
happened and he burned his whole life’s effort.
Somebody was murdered just in the neighborhood. Of course, so many people gathered there: the police were there, the journalists were there. The historian also went there. He asked one person who was an eyewitness, he asked another person who was an eyewitness — and he was amazed. The stories of all the eyewitnesses were different. And there was no reason for them to lie, they were not involved in it.
One eyewitness said he was killed inside the house. Another eyewitness said he was killed under the sky, the open sky. The truth was that he was killed in a house which was just being built, and the roof was not yet there. He was killed under the open sky — without the roof you can’t call it a house. But it was a house in the process of being built. The roof is only a part of the house, so the other was not lying either, saying that he was killed inside the house.
Listening to other eyewitnesses, he became suddenly aware of one thing: “A murder happens in my neighborhood; within two minutes’ time I am there, eyewitnesses are available — and it cannot be decided what actually happened. I have been wasting my whole life writing about Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Nadir Shah — so much time has passed. Can I say truthfully that what I have written is factual? Perhaps many of these people never existed!”
Osho.
From the False to the Truth
Chapter #31
Chapter title: No religions, no nations, no governments
Further.
Seems to me that is every bit as applicable to the Ashram situation.
‘The old hands, who had it direct and are getting nostalgic.’ You are not kidding, Ananto.
There is so much that is relevant to life taking place today, yet many older sannyasins seem firmly imbedded in the past these days. Which just goes to show they are no different from most senior citizens. I recently had a visitor at my home for a few days. Let’s call them X. X is an old India hand and almost every topic that comes up X has a story to go with it. Usually beginning with ‘I remember when…’. I find it very tiring to be around people recalling bygone events. What I learned from X is how uninspiring it is to have to listen to all our yesterdays and I never wish to be like that and if I catch myself at it I put on the brakes immediately.
I recently quit two sannyasin blogs wherin the old folks are constantly going over the past. Do you remember Laxmi Villas etc. Snore! Now on SN we have similar topics. Did Osho know what was going on at the ranch? Who are the 21? How things have changed since the original idea of living in the moment first caught on.
Living in close proximity to the present does not mean we have to sit around chanting Om all day, but it certainly has nothing to do with going over and over events that took place decades ago. This nostalgia for the past signals to me that people really don’t have much going on in their lives today. Why else return again and again to events long gone if it were otherwise. What difference does it make to your life if Osho knew what Sheela was up to? These topics have already been covered as much as possible on this site but here we are again back in time.
So come on guys, surely at least one of you can begin a thread that is at least a bit fresher than this tired old subject matter…something hot that we can get our teeth into, not some fossilized sandwich that someone tossed away over twenty years ago.
Mr Lokesh,
Sometimes some points are worth repeating, cos in my experience human beings are good at forgetting. The Ranch story is a sort of fable with all sorts of angles and lessons, like a modern Veda. How do you think in the world that Fascism “recurs” from generation to generation.
Cos the lessons are there, but never get learned. History is a great subject, but you and your Master seem to disdain it irrationally.
AND, you seem to need a wet nurse. You are so “new” and in the moment, and creative, why dont you produce an article for this “now” you go on about.
agree
Fascism is always now ‘cos some bastards are born fascists. History don’t come into it, comrade. Nostalgia’s much the same, some oldies are nostalgics, others not quite so nostalgic. Must admit that having turned sixty this year I have noticed a tendency to overuse the past tense. Reading and posting here is a useful remedy to that, in part. That said, we had better remedies in the old days. I remember Collis Brown’s Cough Syrup when it had opium in, now that was good stuff. You can’t buy it these days.
Heraclitus, you ask, why don’t you produce an article for this “now” you go on about?
Because I like to give others a chance.
You said.
History. Your Master seems to disdain it irrationally.
Really!!!!
You haven’t read any discourses is all I can say then.
He constantly references ‘History’, the past, whatever.
The rest I approve of. Nicely put.
Actually Arpana,
Osho did speak against the study of history and lauded the saying “History is bunk”!
Parmartha was a teacher in the Medina school, but was forbidden by the leaders of that commune to teach history, “because Osho did not want it”!
Probably bullshit, but certainly the interpretation Poonam and others who “led” the UK sannyas movement then put on Osho’s views.
Yeah! Sure. Whilst at the same constantly referencing history. Using historical references to make points.
That’s the point I was making really.
The oddest personal insight.
After all these years.
I am guilty of double standards where Osho is concerned and I’ve not recognised this before.
Osho contradicts himself. Tells Porkies. That’s OK by me.
Anyone else gets called out. (Not literally. Haven’t the energy).
For some reason, that makes me laugh.
There is no journalistic objectivity, not even in news, but I have no desire to go more in detail about it here.
However, I could not agree more with you Lokesh..Even you do give little bit impression of “old grumpy man, who knows it better..:)..”
I want to hear more..
Shantam, you are such intense character that you need to start organizing you own meditations, mystic rose, mini- mystic rose etc., osho meditations, where you live. Then you can practise and see how it works also. And in the end Poone organization might take you to their management team (=future hope). Or get your own disciples there in Germany. I would love to read about it from you. So, get your ass from the sofa.
I am facilitating several things since many years, not big big, but any way.. (and i do get my income from ””real work” else where). And this is the way i recommendent for everybody. At least when you start. So that you can come out from sharing space and not from survival trip. However, it should not be charaty.no, no no. I am saying this because the answer is not cheap meditations or cheap entrance fees.. And I assure you it’s not about money, entrance fees or group’s fees. Not for modern Indians or old sanyasins. I thought so for many years, so I have tested it for several years in many different ways.
Old sanyasin do not come for anything…(”it’s not the way like in their youth, not the way they want..”)
Not for one Euro or for free or not even for Osho lecture for free or some kind of example for younger ones (I have even tried going for listening osho at my friends place…that did not last because of washing machine etc). They also do not come, even if they could have a audience and ”lead” meditations or osho lectures. And I am talking about my friends, same age sanyas generation +20 or more, or older, or few years younger, who have been ”out” (normally out it in the relationships, not in the the process any way), whom I see and meet for dinners or something else. Who are my friends. So, they are not against my personality or me.
I have asked what they want. They say they want big parties with a lot of new people, but not with people they have some fight with.
So, it’s not about money, not about meditations, not about osho lectures.
They do not come. They only complain.
And it’s ok. But I am not listening to any complaining any more. Even I let them do it, it must be a release, a good reason..what ever.
Also, some new ones who say they do not have much money, go for good dinners in the restaurants right after their bargain group..etc,etc, so to talk about money is ridiculous. It’s actually harming to listen to this complaints because other people (for examble yoga teacher do it professionally and we are also not supposed to be a Charaty/religion…somebody pays the rent at least..)
So, back to the Lokesh suggestion. I would love to hear new things that old creative sanyasins are doing. Or new creative thing that new sanyasins are doing. What is inspirational, counts. going all over your comfort zone, doing something new.
Now youv’e done it.
You know best.
Fresch the world economy is collapsing from 2008,did you notice? And no real solution is coming out.This mean normal people are getting poorer and poorer,and money are more and more in the hands of the ones who already have a lot of it before.
If prices for meditation,workshop doesn’t go down and go on growing every year like in Poona,all the “seekers” there would be just a bunch of white collars and nothing else.
Still, I want to thank sanyas news (like before) that you take all these issues up here and go through everything in such cruel detail from every possible angle that it cannot leave any what so ever impression that we would be some zombie group. Actually, you might even be OIF’s shadow organization for freedom to speak up…:) at least I think they even might be happy about this site. I assume so, at least young generation. They might even refer this site..
And this Anthony “the writter” just happens to come by at “rigt moment”… I been involved in this kun of pr.. That is. How i would do it for osho …any organizaton..:) fun
Dear Fresch, I might be sixty but I am neither old or grumpy. I am a firm believer in positivity. I just did a six kilometre swim and a friend of mine who is a doctor took my pulse when I returned to shore. ‘Sixty!’ he exclaimed, ‘You are in great physical condition.
As for knowing it better. Well, put it this way. What went on behind the scenes in Osho’s private life is up for speculation. If there is something to be asked it is this. Were Osho’s actions those of a man claiming to be enlightened in a Hindu/Buddhistic sense? That is a difficult question to answer. For a start we have the stock reply of an enlightened one being beyond it all so what he or she does no longer matters. Take Krishna and Arjuna on the battlefield and the Lord’s firm advice to shoot down the enemy troops, because ultimately it does not matter as all is illusion. Viewed in another light Lord Krishna could be viewed in the light of condoning mass murder, making Sheela’s monkey business look like kid’s stuff.
Claiming to be enlightened carries with it the idea that anything that person says is faultless, which if you take Osho’s case would be a big mistake in certain instances. A simple example would be Osho’s advice to follow one’s feelings. What, I ask, does that mean to a person who is feeling suicidal, or so angry they feel like attacking someone?
Back in the seventies a lot of Osho’s tricks worked. He helped me when I was seriously in need of wise counsel. Times change and what once worked during a certain time frame may no longer be useful today, in fact it could be detrimental.
Osho spoke a lot and hundreds of books were published in his name. I rarely read a chapter in any of them. Yes, there are a few gems but there is a lot of muck in certain books that you have to wade through in order to find them. For me, Osho’s words were never that important anyway. He was an energetic phenomena, and on that level he often attained brilliance…in my eyes at least. Today we have people reading his books and not taking into consideration their place in a historical context. Some of his utterances relate to the timeless and eternal but more do not.
This need to go over his private life with a fine-toothed comb is alright up to a certain point but beyond that it is fruitless. The subject in this thread has already been discussed at length on other threads and is for me now obsolete. If things were kept private and secret so be it. The question to ask in relation to this is does this make an iota of differance in my life today. If you are honest you have to say no and close the musty old book of the past and move on to fresher pastures, where one might endeavour to become a better person, or, even better, delve into the mystery and find out if there is anything that actually backs up the illusion that you do exist as an individual or are you too just another manifestation of maya. Differant strokes, as the saying goes, but it is a long time ago that I got off on paddling in backwaters of the past…give me the deep end now, until the day I die.
The early books are pretty good. The Zen and Tao/ Chuang Tzu stuff especially, he’d done the reading and cuts to the key points with added gags.. Buddhism related Osho’s excellent although most of what passes for Buddhist work in English is total drivel from Theosophical drivel through to Tibetan animism/Tantra cocktails of medievalism combined with wishful thinking. Given the crap that’s out there Osho had nor has little opposition. There’s so many Osho books that there is probably something to suit most tastes, some of it good, some of it not so good.
The modern manifestations I see in England anyway are by and large one or two folk who come up with a money-making Osho offshoot [Bio feckin Danza anyone?], milk it until they split up or get bored, then move on to something else. Every twelve months something Osho-new comes along, most of it with the life expectancy of a just opened London restaurant [not long at all], other things fold. Osho-related interest waxes and wanes. Maybe an upsurge just now, but in the scheme of things we don’t make much of an impression. If it ever was a religion it only was such to those who wanted a religion. If you look at the Medina biogs you can spot those types easily and there never were many. Lifestyle hobby then for the majority back then, then, and no change in that now maybe. Nothing wrong with hobbies and if you can earn an honest penny thereby, albeit briefly, then where’s the harm?
I only came to this online stuff this year via Kindle 3G birthday present and can’t look at most sites, but all the Osho ones I have seen do seem to have their share of nostalgia for the good old days, sometimes at the expense of anything more recent or relevant to now. Maybe there just isn’t much happening of topical relevance in Osho areas right now.
Ohhh.. I do not want to get involved in this discussion: i have promised to my self keep low profile in the net and live life instead.. So, thank you ..but i will not go further here. You are all sweet
However, to be honest i have learned a lot here …from this history Stuff and all what you people have shared. I have tendency to wrote provocative…just teasing. It’s so easy to fall in love in a romantic way with osho or other guru ( more horrible than with normal man, even)..big, big thank you! When i was watching tsunami on tv, it looked so beatyfull…just the wawe..and it was killing people.
I also love reading your sharings and experiences any way..just love it and appreciate you all. But i need to take my self out..so be it..chao bellas. Hugs, love
And lokesh, you are a bit older than me, but when i read you or look at your picture, i might even go for a date with you:)
That’s what all the girls say.
Arpana, if you have an opinion, then you know better.. Of course, i know better, me too. Human. I feel you because i have been following you. There is this feeling (!)when people around osho meet, even we are so different too. I love it so much.
One more thing shortly about osho’s dental and valium stuff. He is a mad Master. What do you think rumi, bodidharma or crative people like painters or poets are? Are they saints or more like totally crazy? fortunately he talked about zen, too.
Also, is there any other group who will not ever, ever, again put women on power ” to make it better world”? Osho for sure made his point there. Hello, even with ” mamas”.. Direct experience.
Osho like a true leader simply recovered from the set backs given by His own people and hostile foreign govt. yet many disciples are still going for OPD treatment because of the emotional wounds from Rpuram face.
Secondly, Life had given another chance to disciples to create a better sample world through the team perfect structure left by Osho at Pune, yet they fucked it up through their inbuilt contradictions and confusions, on a deeper level sannyasins are so much hooked up with the idea of religion and religiousness, almost like an educated dentist who thinks mouth is only for chewing, idea of 69″ simply creates guilt and doubt….
In hindsight, i won´t feel shy to say that somehow there was a divine Prudence in the wiped out of Puram, as time has shown disciples of Osho; who are fighting like cats and dogs for 24 Acres are not worthy to manage a city state.
if true leader goes to urologist and he disrobes and cums in the face of urologist,then he will feel less shame than going to dentist pointing his finger and not biting finger but creating guilt and doubt by 69ing and chewing finger of educated dentist and prefering white skinned topless sannyasin women to males of the whiteskin species and building better world for racist homophobics!
‘Inbuilt contradictions and confusions’ – reminds me of some Sikh guy who writes on SN. Can’t remember his name….Shantipuram or something like that.
Fresch, if you go for date with Lokesh, please tell before hand to his wife Prita too. It will be easy for me to invite her for dinner and gossips,but not for date. My Indian middle class ethics don´t allow to look at colleagues wife in a naughty way.
I am sure, behind Lokesh´s “wisdom”, his wife´s presence has played a significant role.
Atleast, people like him can give Osho this much credit that thousands of people have experienced high and low of Love and relating because of Osho.
Is there any other Master on the earth who has been witness to so many relations going up and going down?
Not at all, most of the gurus don´t know the world beyond their hands!
That’d be ‘divine providence’ maybe Shantam?
If so, in light of your incisive ‘religion/religiousness’ critique then I am with you 100%.
Osho himself could not have put it better [as a koan].
World will be a beautiful place, if people don´t deposit money in the banks. In this way, we will not have greedy investment bankers. Can´t people take care of their money themselves?
World will be a beautiful place, if everyone knows the basics of self-healing. We will not have pharmaceutical giants, who are just suckers? Why can´t we heal ourselves?
There are big sharks in the energy sector, because we have not read Buddha´s famous saying, ” Appo Dipo Bhava”, Be your own light. We don´t need big dams but small glass pots to create our own energy!
In nutshell, world needs ex-sannyasins from Europe as their new breed of leaders. Complex problems can be solved only by those who have solved their own life!
Yes, I keep my savings under the matress.
Presumably then, Shantam, these “ex-sannyasins from Europe” will be female only, bearing in mind your recent blanket denunciation of all male fellow-travellers?
Re making banks redundant, well, sounds good, except where would people go for loans to buy houses, cars etc? Then there’d be the ‘very small matter’ of financing businesses, new and old…
Still, no doubt those female “ex-sannyasins from Europe” who’ve “solved their own life” would come up with the answers…Wonder where they all are….
On the other hand…if there’s a direct relation between ‘solving your own life’ and being able to solve the problems of the world, then talking utter nonsense about the latter might well indicate that a person is lagging far behind with the former?
But there again, Shantam, you’re just a mere male, of course…
Shantam, I do believe you’re having us on, you naughty fellow!
Shantam is having himself on.
Whiteskin ex-sannyasins being a light unto themselves like educated European dentists going to urologist wanting more and more and achieving self-induced joy by yogic postures learnt from brownskinned energy pumpers for self-sucking, then using the cum on back of head to make the world a better place, then having himself on by having himself off and becoming new breed of leaders while overweight darkskin sexist racist homophobes bang their western girls with no money in bank accounts, but really are bankers who are doing a lot of of banking and thinking of religion and religiousness as they wipe the back of their hands and solve the problems of their own life!
That would rap nicely Frank.
Bit o’ drum ‘n’ bass and a coupla swearwords mixed on.
I’d buy it.
At this juncture, to talk about Sheela regime at Rajneeshpuram is like beating the bush, we can rectify the history by bringing Jayesh regime at Osho Pune into right senses. Great places are not built with sand, cement and steel, but with love, compassion and awareness.
Slowly, slowly the disenchantement with sannyas managers is taking shape. Save Osho Pune group at FB is fuelling the fire aganist the lies, lies and more lies originating from the big boss´s office.
Also the Sheela is beating her bush, so my Indian middle-class sensibility is getting me rectified. If i go to urologist he will become slowly, slowly the disenchanted with the size of the problem and whilst 69-ing the educated dentist in the big boss`s office, he may notice the inbuilt contradictions and confusions in the mouth of sexist racist homophobic CEO’s of stupidity in the name of saving the Osho.
Frank, very amusing.
Well, I mostly lived in JG for about three years, and from what I saw and very close contact with Sheela I would say that the old man was definitely pretty firmly behind everything. As to bugging his room, he knew about that from the beginning and played it for his own purposes. I saw Sheela return many nights in tears from the verbal beatings she received from him, when things were not going the way he wanted them to.
I was also filming the night of the evening darshan when there was a “technical malfunction” so that all recordings were lost. In fact, in that talk, he affirmed that everything happening at the Ranch, and everything Sheela did, was completely his doing, and he had full knowledge of it. That could not be edited as we edited so many other of his evening darshans, could not be saved at all – so all copies of video and audio were sequestered.
He may not have known the dirty details of everything, but to me it is quite clear that he had basically ordered Sheela and the girls to make it happen by any means necessary, threatening to disappear if it didn’t. I’m, in fact, pretty sure that the attempt to kill Devaraj had to do with preventing him from giving Osho any kind of easy way out. Sheela was eventually pushed over the edge by the behind-the-scenes manipulation to replace her with the Hollywood crowd. Elaborate schemes had to be concocted to allow him to meet with Hasya, having to do with a fictional movie script, but Sheela could smell the coffee…
Believe it or not – it is up to you. This is what I know and what I have pieced together from my experience. It may not be completely accurate, but I’m pretty sure it is broadly accurate.
It wasn’t just Osho’s room that was bugged, Vivek’s was also. So your explanation does not hold.
The most famous “discourse” that was “lost” was from 1984/5 when Osho described Sheela’s empire as fascistic before she left the Ranch.
It was delivered to a chosen few, but the following evening the video never appeared for the mutltitude as was the custom in those days. This is widely known.
As far as I know there are no commentators on this period who deny this as this knowledge is from multiple sources, and it was destroyed on Sheela’s orders.
You seem to agree that Sheela was pushed over the edge, and you give your reason as Hasya envy. She was certainly in a bad mental way, but from much earlier (circa 1982/3) when she became addicted to uppers and downers given her by the Filopino.
This particular brand of subject matter holds little fascination for me but yes I reckon the old boy was quite aware of everything that was going on, if for no other reason than an intelligent fellow like Osho could not have missed the actions of a bunch of toads like Sheela and co. Osho was obviously behaving in a very unenlightened way during those times but really it makes no differance to how I now perceive the years I spent with him. Those were great times but they are long gone. Learn what you can and move on.
there seems to have been a culture of necking down some seriously duff drugs amongst the high flyers of the chosen few…
uppers,downers,nitrous,valium,gin,scotch…
sounds more like a squat in hackney,or something….
osho and vivek … a sort of sid `n` nancy for the new age….?
man,i would like to read a proper book about all that stuff.
its not going to happen,is it?
never mind an ashram …shoulda been a rehab….
I hope Toby that your sort of fleeting and anonymous visit to this subject is not only that, but that you are prepared to dialogue.
I am after being a detective myself, my great grandfather was actually quite a famous detective, and the genes are still there!
You mention a 1985 darshan in your post which was post Sheela leaving. Are you referring to the so-called Press Conferences or what?
As I remember this was mainly when Osho spoke publicly at that time.
These discourses are held for posterity in the various publications.
You would have to be much more specific.
I was around as a communard on the Ranch during this period myself, and do recall Osho saying a few times that “ultimately” he was responsible for everything that went down. I took this to mean it was HIS organisation, and he took his eye off the ball when he should have been keeping more of an eye out for what Sheela was doing – and that he had appointed the main players himself, so in that he was responsible.
As for Jesus Grove, well a number of people who lived there gave testimony to Grand Juries in 1985/6 and were under oath, which they did to save their own necks.
They itemise the crimes of Sheela broadly, and indicate they were cooked up by her and her cohorts, and Osho has by that time become almost a side issue to them, so identified with their “project” were they.