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Arpana posted an update in the group Caravanserai 5 years, 4 months ago
In my opinion, Marxism is not an authentic philosophy for communism. My idea of communism is totally opposite. My feeling is that if riches can be produced — and they can be produced, we have the technology…. If seventy-five percent of our energy and money is not wasted in wars, there will be such an affluence all over the world — everybody will have their needs fulfilled. And who wants to fight? To me, that will be communism: the whole society becoming wealthy, keeping its freedom, its freedom of expression, and its democracy.
In Russia they have lost everything and gained nothing.
I am a communist, but totally against Marxist communism. I would like the whole world to become a classless society, so rich and wealthy that there is no beggar, nobody dies of hunger, no unemployment. And this is the time we can manage it. If we are not managing it, it is because of the political divisions of the world and political leaders’ egos, power trips — because no war means no politics. If there is nobody poor, then there is no Mother Teresa, no Pope the Polack.
All the religious leaders want poverty in the world, and all the politicians want continuous war and poverty. Nobody is interested in making this world a paradise. All the religions in the past have been telling people, ”We will take you to paradise.”
I say to my people, ”I want paradise to come to you.”Osho,
The Last Testament, Vol 4
Chapter #8
http://www.sannyas.wiki/index.php?title=Communism_%26_Zen_Fire,_Zen_Wind
SS,
I’ve not been able to get into the Poona 2 discourses.
I stop at the World tour talks, which are a mixture of discourses and Darshan talks; because Osho was speaking to such small gatherings. Really powerful. I’m reading beyond psychology again, at the moment.
”My concern is absolutely impartial. I have been interested in communism from my very childhood. The Soviet crew has been to my library, and they were amazed to see the communist literature there—perhaps there is no book that is missing from my library. And they were amazed to see that I have signed and dated each book before 1950. I was absolutely concerned to know about communism, everything. For three years, 1948, 1949, and 1950, I had collected all the literature possible. And I stopped at 1950. I have not read anything after 1950 about communism, for or against.
It is very strange…I go on forgetting small things. I cannot count up to five—after the third finger I start hesitating, whether it is fourth or third. But in these forty years I have not forgotten a single name of the communist revolutionaries. Small details are so vivid before me, because that was my first entry into the intellectual world. It got deeply rooted in me. But I never became a member of a communist party, because I could see something was missing.
It is a grand plan for humanity, but something central is missing: it has no soul, it is a corpse.
Because nothing new was happening, I stopped reading. And nothing new has happened since then, except Gorbachev. So I am talking about Gorbachev.
First I was deeply interested in communism, but finding that it is a corpse I became interested in anarchism—that was also a Russian phenomenon—Prince Kropotkin, Bakunin, Leo Tolstoy. All three were anarchists: no state, no government in the world. But I saw the point that they have a beautiful dream but with this criminal humanity, with this stupid mass, if there is no government and no court and no police there will be simply chaos, not anarchism.”
”Communism is just the roots, and the trunk will be meditation. And the flowers will be a world without any domination, without any interference with individual growth — a world without states, a world without boundaries. Just a world consisting of individuals – - not organizations, not nations, not races.
These are the three steps, and I can see them clearly because I have no identification with any — neither communism nor spiritualism nor anarchism. I am just a witness. I have no involvement with anybody. I am just a mirror who can reflect the whole situation as it is, and even the future as it can grow if the right nourishment is given.
So don’t think that I am a communist. I don’t identify with anything. Don’t think that I am an anarchist. I don’t identify with anything. Don’t think that I am a spiritualist. I don’t identify with anything.
I am just a pure awakened being, just a mirror who reflects — who has no involvement, no commitment to anything.
I don’t belong to any organization, I don’t belong to any party, I don’t belong to any ’ism’.”
Communism and Zen fire Zen wind
”Beyond Psychology” – a very esoteric book?
I have not seen any of the Uruguay discourses on video.
’'Beyond Psychology” – a very esoteric book?’’
Why do you say that?
Doesn’t read as esoteric to me
From memory- a bell in my head went ’ ting’ my head told me Uruguay – esoteric discourses
Am I thinking of the wrong book?
I’m reading the book for the second time, and is as if I never read it before, so I’m probably the last person to check that theory with.
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I think there are two other books, ”the transmission of the lamp” , ”the path of the mystic”
Yeah. I’m reading path of the mystic next
If we made a distinction between the need for complex systems to have some organisational centre; and politics; possibly complex organising systems with organising centres would function more effectively and not politically, if enough people who were deeply centred in meditation, were involved.
I can not even conceive of a world in which neutrality is the dominant mode.
Even ghosts have preferences I imagine.
Best not to read this.
Makes decision making even more complex than it is already. (Pity Marx didnt read it, and even more, those who sought and seek to make a society according to his teachings.)
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Laid-Plans-Unintended-Consequences/dp/0313385319
Think chess.