Boulder Late 1985

This short news video that recently surfaced after 30 years gives some interesting oversight of the

months that followed the end of the Ranch, and what happened after we left :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNhY6bvA6go

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25 Responses to Boulder Late 1985

  1. Arpana says:

    “Another tip is to adopt a flexible mindset, which is applicable both within and outside the confines of a therapist’s office. A flexible mindset means remaining open to several truths and explanations, rather than seeking, as Freud often did, one root cause to explain a broad range of feelings and behaviours. This involves letting go of a desire for something that Turkish psychologist Omer Simsek calls the need for absolute truth. Unquestionably, a common motivation for introspection (or even to buy a book like this one) is to finally figure ourselves out, once and for all.”

    Eurich, Tasha. Insight: The Power of Self-Awareness in a Self-Deluded World (Kindle Locations 1616-1621). Pan Macmillan. Kindle Edition.

    A common problem among those with sannyas names, methinks.

    • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

      Arpana,

      Please clarify for me, what you want to say with your last sentence here:

      “A common problem among those with sannyas names, methinks.” –

      As these are your (only) own words, contributed under your sannyas name and I don´t find any content or inner context with the ongoing threads, ‘vids’ or ‘no vids’ brought up here recently (as topic) or another of these lectures of a Turkish Private Istanbul University Psychological Project (on what? with another update content on such (what?) stuff you added today).

      If you don´t mind, please clarify – and please, without quoting anybody else. If possible.

      Madhu

      • Arpana says:

        Seems to me, it’s a very common problem among people with sannyas names, of looking for that one incident, moment of understanding, that puts everything right; seeking a panacea that puts everything right in a flash.

        Sannyas is a work in progress, we are works in progress.

        I even wondered if the concept of ‘Enlightenment’ feeds that.

        “…or another of these lectures of a Turkish Private Istanbul University Psychological Project” – WHAT!?!?!

        Er – why can’t I quote someone else if I want to??

        “In the West people are in so much of a hurry: they want instant coffee, they want instant sex, they want instant God; shortcut, packaged, everything prefabricated. Time is too much in the Western head, too much, and that is creating many tensions inside. Anybody can come and say, “This is the panacea and everything can be solved within just fifteen minutes.”

        Osho
        Yoga: The Alpha and the Omega, Vol. 4
        Chapter 4
        Chapter title: To Become Free In An Unfree Society

        MOD:
        POST EDITED.

        • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

          Arpana,
          Thanks for the answer.

          Are your first lines also out of that book? Or yours?

          And sure enough, you can quote anything, like we all can, can’t we? But it is good to know a recognisable source of a quote, isn´t it? Or to know when a response is a quote. Or being able to understand a content context to the topic given. Or being able to know when a recommendation is given from another source.

          For the latter I asked you for help.

          With some fantasy, “every sannyasin” would want Enlightenment like instant coffee? Well, that´s not my experience. But I came to know that many prejudiced mindsets are happening around it.

          Is what you stated your experience as a sannyasin? Amongst other sannyasins?

          In googling the book (for more understanding) of the author you mentioned in your response, I found out that some of your texting was re-writing lines of the author´s book and Turkish Project without parantheses.

          And I didn´t like that.

          Madhu

          • Arpana says:

            I have made it quite clear the source of the quote, as I always do?!?

          • Arpana says:

            “Is what you stated your experience as a sannyasin? Amongst other sannyasins?”

            Yes. Myself included at one time.

          • Arpana says:

            “With some fantasy, “every sannyasin” would want Enlightenment like instant coffee? Well, that´s not my experience. But I came to know that many prejudiced mindsets are happening around it.”

            You have as many prejudices as anyone else, Madhu.

            MOD:
            POST EDITED.

          • Arpana says:

            “In googling the book (for more understanding) of the author you mentioned in your response, I found out that some of your texting was re-writing lines of the author´s book and Turkish Project without parentheses.

            And I didn´t like that.”

            I did not re-write anything. You have not read what I posted properly.

            Still haven’t a clue about the Turkish remark. I’m reading the book now and haven’t come across it.

            • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

              Thanks for all your rigorous and stringent responses, Arpana, I will take it to heart.

              Madhu

              • Arpana says:

                “One man says, “I have made a firm resolve never to lie again.” Against whom does he make this resolve? Against his own self. Where is the need for such stringent rigidity? Because he knows that the liar within him is stronger than him. If he is not stern with him, he is bound to lie. So he says that he has vowed strongly, and the stronger the oath, the earlier it is broken. The more his vows break, the more resolutions he makes; but against whom does he raise his defences? He within whom the opposite no longer exists has no need for vows and oaths.”

                Acharya Rajneesh.
                The Way of Tao, Volume 2
                Chapter 12
                Chapter title: The signs of a saint: he is alert and irresolute, egoless and playful
                ~~~~~~~~~~~~

                This book is a bit of revelation. I didn’t know Osho had given talks on the Tao in Hindi until now.

              • Arpana says:

                You’re very welcome, Madhu.
                My pleasure.

                • Arpana says:

                  Nice use of adjective there, Madhu.

                  Stringent is such a great word. Can’t ever recall anyone using it. I’m going out this evening for a meal. I’ll see if I can work it into the conversation. Shouldn’t be to difficult. One individual who’s coming is bound to give me the opportunity. :)

                • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

                  Well, what to say, Arpana? Have a nice dinner. We don´t share the same taste, I guess – not only concerning gourmet´s scales.

                  How did Tan express it recently? She said, I am more a ´simpleton´ or something like that, didn´t she? I feel familiarity with that.

                  For heart´s lunch break, I had a short visit to the London Q&A (2014) re Leonard Cohen´s presentation of “Popular Problems”. Won´t harass you with his lyrics, though, about that now.
                  Just share that I had a good ´meal for my heart, so to say.

                  Madhu

                  P.S:
                  If you google the author of part of your quote you´ll find Omer Simsek and this Private Istanbul University and the various links – like the global (social and psychological scientists) connections with Tascha Eurich, NY/US.

                  The latter I saw in a TED talk, but as tastes express in diversity I only listened three minutes or so.

                  Maybe another time…maybe never again.

                  Who knows?
                  So much is happening, if one takes some to one´s own heart. One cannot predict it, what comes out of it (even GOOGLE can´t, but they are working on it).

                  Isn´t it a mystery, all in all?

                  Madhu

                • Arpana says:

                  You’re not a simpleton, Madhu. Nobody with as many expectations as you can call themselves such a thing.

  2. Lokesh says:

    “This short news video that recently surfaced after 30 years gives some interesting oversight of the months that followed the end of the Ranch, and what happened after we left.”

    I watched the video and found no interesting oversights or insights at all. It might have been of interest 32 years ago, but today I find this sort of news footage completely dead. Maybe it is because I never went to the Ranch, although I doubt it. Such uninspiring comments delivered by utterly dumbed down American news presenters just leave me cold.

    Perhaps, when you are someone who actually went to the Ranch, you can get excited about such things: “Oh, weren’t those lilac police uniforms groovy?”, or how about: “Wow, there is the old check point. Remember when Swami Ding a Lingam searched us in the hope of finding a hidden joint?”

    Really, there are a million and one other topics worth discussing but this sort of crap is strictly for the Orange Sunshine old folks home.

    • simond says:

      Lokesh,
      You are awful…but I like you.

      • bodhi heeren says:

        Since you and Lokesh are soul brothers presenting the exact same view of Sannyas and Osho, why on Earth should you NOT like him?

        The only difference between you two seems to me that Lokesh is the sarcastic type, always trying to be ‘funny’ while you, Simond, are the serious kind, always trying to sound authentic and ‘honest’ ;-)

        • Lokesh says:

          Don’t take it personally, Simond. The closest Bodhi Warton ever got to Osho was buying the dunce’s special edition of Osho Nursery Rhymes, or the ONR as regular readers call it. He has a picture of Osho namasteing above his bed, to remind him that he does not need to lie down to be fast asleep.

          • frank says:

            I think you should give Bodhi Harrangue a little more credit.

            Apart from having a full collection of back copies of Osho Nursery Rhymes (ONR), I hear he is a prime mover and shaker in the Osho Nursery And Neo Idiotic Spiritual Tartufferie scene
            (ONANIST).

  3. madhu dagmar frantzen says:

    @ Arpana ( at 11:14 am)

    “You’re not a simpleton, Madhu. Nobody with as many expectations as you can call themselves such a thing.”

    Oh yes I can, and I never said that Tan´s word-creation was ´a thing´, Arpana. I spoke of ´familiarity´ and, when I recall just the very last hours, I felt more than familiar with Tan´s estimation of a photo-shop-digital compilation.

    She said ´wrong´ and I subscribe to that. And it´s more than is to be seen by the eyes, and at the same time ´simple´.

    You well recovered after a fabulous dinner invitation?

    Madhu

    • Arpana says:

      Thank you, Madhu.
      I bask in the warm glow of your loving condemnation.

    • Arpana says:

      And I apologise for going out and enjoying myself with a few people I really like being with. (No connection to Osho either, apart from the fact they’ve been good friends to me for years and also good friends to others. Mind you, hard though it may be to believe, they think/feel I’ve been a good friend to them, friendship being about give and take).

      • Arpana says:

        I particularly like them because despite some major difficulties they’ve experienced in life, they just rise to the challenge, rarely complain and don’t seem to think they’re exceptionally hard done by. (Despite not being sannyasins, or into such matters, they seem to understand lots of people have hard times, not just them).

      • madhu dagmar frantzen says:

        Hi Arpana,

        Not at all hard for me to believe and to perceive you amongst friends. This website here is just a tiny, tiny particle of Life as such. Your life as well as mine.

        And yes – you are right when presuming that I sometimes would very much appreciate more of the ´give-and-take´ re sharing here.

        True.

        Thank you for sharing.

        Madhu

    • Tan says:

      Thanks, Madhu, to say what you feel about this disgraceful photo of Osho, which looks like it is a cover for a book.

      Who created this photo is sick. No wonder why the Poona guys are so strict with everything about Osho.

      Cheers! XX