An open Letter from Swami Ageh Bharti re Osho’s Death
Because of recent allegations and comments that have been made publicly about Osho’s death, Ageh Bharti has written an open letter to shed light on the more exact circumstances of Osho’s death, and to repudiate speculation.
Many Osho friends have been asking me to share my understanding about Osho’s death because there has been lot of hue and cry on social media recently and attempts to impose allegations about some Resort officials, in particular with statements by Dr Gokani. I wrote an article on the topic in Hindi and hundreds of friends thanked me and said that now the issue was clear to them and they were feeling great relief after having been in utter confusion and tension. Then some friends asked that I should write in English too and let also others see the real picture.
Firstly, I would like to say that everyone knows that Osho formed an Inner Circle and that he chose Jayesh as Chairman, Amrito as vice-Chairman, and Anando as Secretary; i.e. all three are western friends. Well, Osho trusted western friends more than Indians because in the past, several Indian friends proved themselves to be untruthful to Osho and his people.
The second thing I would like to remind about is that Osho is the man of Krishna, Buddha and Mahavira’s stature. Naturally wherever he lives, a divine glow, silence and sacred serenity surrounds him. Hence, he himself had to choose his caretaker, personal physician, dentist, cook, secretary and others who were necessary for the existence of his extremely delicate and fragile body. Not every disciple was worthy of being in his close proximity.
If seen in aforesaid light, Dr Gokani’s doubts, if any, just fade away. When he was called for and was told that Osho was leaving the body, he started to weep; Amrito asked him not to weep. Poor Dr Gokani wants to say that something was being concealed, that’s why he was not allowed to weep. It is a very common fact that weeping cannot be allowed in such a situation. I hope he too knows it but with mal-intention he is being tricky to turn this too into an allegation. Dr Gokani’s own statement is enough for any sannyasin to understand that he was not worthy of going near Osho in those moments. If he had been permitted, he would have cried even more noisily and thus caused pain to Osho who has been teaching his whole life to celebrate death.
Dr Gokani states that when Osho was leaving his body, why wasn’t Osho’s mother informed between 1 pm and 5 pm as she was living so close in the Ashram. It is so obvious that she was not informed because of the same reason. She is a mother, far more closely attached. She would have beaten her chest, weeping loudly seeing her son dying and it can only be imagined how much pain and disturbance Osho would have felt. In fact, Amrito and Jayesh deserve appreciation and respect that they behaved like perfect disciples by protecting Osho against unwanted emotions while he was leaving the body.
It was a most extraordinary moment. A Buddha was leaving his body as if discarding clothes. Any slightest noise or expressed emotions, at that moment, would have been a cause of great pain and inconvenience to the Master.
Dr Gokani appears childish by presenting the most positive acts of Amrito and Jayesh as being negative. At such a time, if it is necessary to move around, one has to be very slow and calm, not only physically but mentally as well. If Dr Gokani has not understood yet how to be near a Master, he was certainly not worthy to be near Osho 26 years ago. But his ego got hurt that he was not allowed to go near Osho and so he is taking revenge after 26 years.
Osho was given slow-working poison in an American jail and was passed through radiation which resulted in dramatic deterioration of his physical body. He understood well that the body was no longer worth living in. Only then did he ask for his Samadhi to be made in Chuang Tzu, saying that he needed a new bed in there. For this purpose, marble came from Mumbai and it was created as per his guidance and direction. Perhaps for one night he slept there also, and then moved to his previous bed again.
Before leaving the body, he suggested to Amrito that after burning his body, the ashes are to be kept under that new bed and sannyasins can sit and meditate there. He had realized absolutely that the pain of the joints was not curable and living in the body would be immensely painful. In fact, he never let his disciples know about the severity of pain he was suffering in knees and other joints and because of that he decided to leave the body. He made several preparations – in addition to the Samadhi, he had all Ashram buildings painted black; he recreated the energy-field that had become scattered during his absence.
It appears Dr Gokani sought an ugly way by creating a drama to become a widely-known figure after 26 years, and he did indeed become world famous. But he lacks even simple common sense seen in the points raised by him. For example, he raises the question as to why Osho’s body was taken early to the burning ghat. It is absolutely credible to his disciples that he gave such an instruction to Amrito because it carries his vision behind it. He had been asserting his entire life that he is an ordinary man and behaved exactly as such. He had his last rites done in the same way as it was done to disciples who died in Pune previously. That is, the body to be kept in Buddha Hall for ten minutes for Darshan, then singing and dancing, then the body taken to the burning ghat and celebrating by burning the body on the pyre. In this lies the last message of the Master to his disciples that he had been an ordinary man, and they too ought to be ordinary.
Dr Gokani says when Osho was giving directions before going to bed to leave the body, why was it not video-recorded? It makes it clear that Dr Gokani could not become a disciple but remained a student because this is an utterly childish allegation. It shows he was totally unaware as to what a great and historic event in the world’s spiritual history was happening there. Only silence could be the right thing to be maintained. If Amrito and Jayesh had done a recording of everything they would have proved to be nothing more than fools.
It was an occasion to maintain absolute silence. A greatly significant thing was happening. A great enlightened Master of all time was leaving his body exactly as we leave clothes behind. The event needed be watched in absolute silence.
Amrito and Jayesh deserve respect for they proved to be the right disciples when Osho needed them. Dr Gokani’s view appears to be childish in that he tried to narrate all positive things as negative. He presents things in such manner as to make Osho’s death a mystery. This is a very wrong route of becoming world-famous. Here one can see the clear shortcomings in his discipleship. It feels Dr Gokani never understood the Master. Osho was a Master and he remained a Master till his last breath.
When Amrito was helping Osho back from the bathroom to his bed, Osho hinted to go to the chair. Amrito suggested to the Master that his body has become so weak, that he should go to the bed instead of the chair. At this, Osho tells him like a Master to take him to the chair, and Amrito does so and gets him seated. Sitting on the chair, the Master gives the instructions that you all know. And then he is helped to go to the bed where he lies down and closes the eyes.
And then happens the great event of his leaving the body exactly as Krishna has said in the Geeta, as one leaves the clothes.
Here I would like to share something about the Master’s charisma which is not known to many disciples. When we watch the video in which Amrito is reporting on 19th January as to how Osho left his body, there comes a moment when Amrito’s breathing stops for a bit, his face swells up, his eyes brim with tears and he becomes virtually speechless! Seriousness covers the entire congregation in Buddha Hall but suddenly Amrito laughs aloud and simultaneously the whole congregation laughs too. Actually, some sannyasin had gifted a clock to Osho that crowed like a cockerel every hour. Osho had asked to put amplifiers on every gate and set the timing from 5 am to 11 pm so that every time the cockerel crows it is a reminder that one more hour has passed from life! So, it is really the Master’s setting that when the entire gathering became serious and aggrieved, the cockerel from the clock crowed as it became 7 pm and everyone laughed aloud at the Master’s arrangement to dispel the seriousness!
When Osho came to Buddha Hall on 17th January to bid goodbye to his people despite his doctor’s advice not to go due to acute weakness, Osho remained standing up with folded hands for about 19 minutes, namasteing each disciple and looking into their eyes – what was that, Dr Gokani? His body’s weakness was such that he was unable to stand rightly and once his legs even started trembling.
That day many friends could feel that Osho was bidding goodbye. Many people told me so. I can remember two such names who realized it so clearly that they responded with a heavy heart, “OK, Osho, goodbye.” They were Swami Yoga Pratap Bharti, a long time ashramite, and Ma Jivan Mada from Canada. And if my memory serves me right, Ma Shunyo said the same in her book. What was all that Dr Gokani? You are an Osho disciple as you say but you could not understand anything.
On 18th January Osho did not come to Buddha Hall and on the 19th he left the body at 5 pm. Friends who were not present in Buddha Hall on 17th January, must watch the video ‘The Last Namaste’ if they have not watched it yet. And they can see and understand that Osho had really come to say a final goodbye.
Dr Gokani is an unfortunate disciple, who had been running his business and now, to become known, he is pointing his finger at people who had left their homes, prestigious professions, and their countries to remain most loyally with Osho. They were handcuffed along with Osho and went to jail. They were not only with Osho during his world tour, but it is they who managed the tour. And the most significant thing is that Osho liked them to be close to him while he was leaving the body.
In having the body burned the same evening, it was really Osho’s farsighted intelligence! It is far beyond the capacity of Dr Gokani and alike people to understand.
Even when Osho was in the body, finding accommodation in apartments and hotels of Koregaon Park was not that easy for visitors; one had to try hard to find any. If Osho’s body had been retained for a day or two, there would have been great difficulty in getting accommodation for the many who would have come pouring into Pune. Maybe many would have had to camp on the roads with their entire family and then some of Pune’s loafer-type people could have misbehaved with our women and the possibility of quarrel and fighting cannot be overruled. In the past, such incidents had happened and in such cases unnecessarily we would have been on the receiving end of the antagonism from Government officials too. To prevent all discriminating possibilities Osho gave the best instructions possible.
When the body was burnt there remained no urgency for his lovers to rush to Pune at once. Friends living far away came even later, at their convenience. And those who rushed at once, many of them left again after a day or two. Thus a beautiful population balance in the area was maintained. This certainly was the beauty of the Master’s farsightedness otherwise not only lovers, even opponents would have crowded in to look and it would have been so hard to manage such a large crowd. On that day, the price for one rose flower rose to Rs 500.
Furthermore, Dr Gokani charged that when Neelam informed Osho’s mother, the latter commented, “They killed him.” Mata-ji (Osho’s mother) rightly said so. She meant the American Government. She used to listen to Osho’s discourses in which Osho had repeatedly said that when he was in jail in America, he was given slow poison and was passed through radiation that had ruined his health. She had been in Rajneeshpuram where she had seen Osho in such good health before going to jail. It was after the release from jail that his body developed multiple problems.
She saw all that and had great affection for Jayesh and Amrito and others who were taking so much care of Osho. Had she not trusted them she could have said it then and there. I was in Rajneeshpuram for four months in 1985 as Osho’s personal guest and was meeting Mata-ji almost every day because I stayed in no. 54 Town Houses which was barely a two minutes’ walk from Mata-ji’s. Either Neelam misunderstood Mata-ji’s comment or tried intentionally to shape the three word comment later in order to create doubt and controversy because she was banned from entering the Resort. She remained angry with the Resort officials. Her resentment can be seen by the fact that Osho said that the Ashram was his body and Neelam once protested and threatened to break each brick of the Ashram.
There is no mystery about Osho’s death. Can Dr Gokani explain why Osho had all Ashram buildings painted with black color about two years before his death? And why he had the Samadhi built in Chuang Tzu? And why he came to Buddha Hall against his doctor’s advice on 17th January, only to say Namaste to his people, standing for 19 minutes with folded hands? Why, on that day, did he look into the eyes of each and every disciple present with a good-bye gesture?
Ageh Bharti
(Ageh Bharti wrote this as an open letter, but it first appeared through Osho News which we are glad to acknowledge. )
I wonder whether Ageh Bharti or editors of oshonews or sannyasnews have read the latest book, ‘Who Killed Osho’, written by one of the finest unbiased journalists.
Naturally, no devotee likes to see human side of the stories of their chosen few. This man is classic example of devotee scattered around in every religion, cult or sect.
Review can be read here: http://www.oshonews.com/2017/06/04/new-book-about-osho-with-misleading-sensational-title/
I feel so moved by this.
I realised I was trying to rationalise away how I was feeling, and I can’t.
I really am moved.
He sounds so straightforward and sincere.
If one were in need of evidence to somehow prove that Osho was a truly remarkable and enlightened man, one need look no further than the manner in which he died. Over the years he talked often about how different masters died and the great significance of such events. There can be no doubt in this instance that Osho did not just talk the talk, he also walked the walk.
I find Ageh Bharti’s writing to be full of hyperbole, contradictions and containing a lack of anything resembling real insight. It does not take long for him to wheel out the usual headlines, “Osho is the man of Krishna, Buddha and Mahavira’s stature.” Sounds good, but how on earth does he deem himself fit to pass a judgement like that? Those men have been dead for ages, yet Ageh knows the truth to the extent that he can rank Osho alongside them? The truth is he does not know that. How could he?.
Usually, what lies behind such statements is either fired-up religious zeal or a need to be recognised as some sort of authority, which, going by his writing, I do not believe he is. The hype continues, Osho described as a great enlightened master of all time. All time? Once again I ask myself how would A.B. know that? Or is it just a simple case of ‘my master is the best, so it follows that being his disciple I must be special also’?
Then, to top it all, we have the declaration that Osho was just an ordinary man. I can recall when Osho first came up with the notion that he was the most ordinary man in the world, and we all sat at the feet of one of the most extraordinary men of the twentieth century, somehow employing a particular brand of warped logic that succeeded in making sense of it all.
The same sort of warped logic is still at play in A.B’s. writing. First it is Osho the Buddha, a one in a billion occurrence, then it is Osho the ordinary man. Brings to mind a televised confrontation between Sheela and Osho, wherein she implored Osho to admit that he was just an ordinary man. He did not admit it and instead said that Sheela would either go insane or commit suicide. He has not been proven right on either of those points…yet. But it does go to show that Osho did have quite an ordinary vindictive side to his personality.
On to “Osho was given slow-working poison etc.” The jury is still out on that one. Much discussed in past posts on SN it would seem that the truth might never emerge about the whole carry-on. Enough said.
And finally on to this poor bugger, Doctor Gokhani, who obviously holds the number one slot on A.B’s. shit list. This dastardly villain of a doctor apparently became “world famous”, due to his evil deeds in relation to Osho’s death. Strange thing is I do not recall ever hearing the “world famous” doctor’s name before today. Which in turn might be an indication of A.B’s. keyhole perspective, or maybe mine. I leave it to the reader to decide.
H. W. L. Poonja introduced me to the well-known saying, ‘The past is a graveyard.’ Reading Ageh Bharti’s article I get a whiff of old skeletons, rotting in their cupboards. A desperate need to set the past right for the record, but really none of it makes the slightest difference to your life here and now. Or does it?
Grateful, being able to read your compassionate relating and responding to Ageh Bharti´s statements in his open letter, Lokesh.
I´d say, if there wouldn´t be ´old skeletons´, as you put it – hanging around energetically and kind of claiming (or asking) for redemption in the living, there would hardly be anything to say (or would there?!).
So – in a way relating and responding in a life-affirmative way is asked and you took the effort and found words to do that. As what needs redemption, needs to be listened to before.
And how strange that is, Ageh Bharti´s statements are also on a ´redemption-line´, and relating to that, the way you did, a reminder – not only to serve Ageh Bharti but for any of us, including you – the responder.
Isn’t most of the stuff coming up as thoughts having the the ´whiff of old skeletons´, Lokesh? Trying to get a grip on our individual Life, till they go the ´redemption-line´?
What I want to say, that first- they (the skeletons) must be acknowledged, investigated before putting them ´straight´ or something like that.
Loved your contribution. In times of inter-netting with words, verbal responses are needed, aren´t they? Little ´helpers´ for Friends of THIS.
Madhu
“Brings to mind a televised confrontation between Sheela and Osho, wherein she implored Osho to admit that he was just an ordinary man. He did not admit it and instead said that Sheela would either go insane or commit suicide. He has not been proven right on either of those points…yet. But it does go to show that Osho did have quite an ordinary vindictive side to his personality.”
“Vindictive” is your interpretation, Lokesh.
It is part of his teaching that if one does not get what one wants (in this case, Sheela) one will go insane or commit suicide.
The other option is one takes sannyas.
“It is part of his teaching that if one does not get what one wants (in this case, Sheela) one will go insane or commit suicide.
The other option is one takes sannyas.”
Is there anyone who gets each & every thing one wants?! There are also some who have a natural death.
Or maybe there is a fourth way!
Perfectly correct, Satchit!
It is absolutely necessary for true seekers such as yourself to cling to beliefs about enlightenment like limpets to the ass of parrot with loose bowels in outbreak of dysentery in Indian public toilet or else only other option is sannyas, madness or suicide in no particular order!
Yahoo!
Good, Yogi, that you came back from your depression, sharing now your manic episode with us.
Satchit comes away with, “The other option is one takes sannyas.”
Such extreme thinking went out in the rubbish, along with the Bee Gees and orange clothes. Besides, Sheela was already a sannyasin and was Osho’s right-hand woman for sometime, and I hardly think Osho put her in such a position to teach us all a lesson about fascism.
What should Osho do being called “ordinary” by Sheela? Should he feed her ego saying “Yes, I am as ordinary as you, Sheela”? Every Master would say “No. My ordinariness is different than your ordinariness.”
Deep.
Lokesh precociously interpreted:
“Brings to mind a televised confrontation between Sheela and Osho, wherein she implored Osho to admit that he was just an ordinary man. He did not admit it and instead said that Sheela would either go insane or commit suicide. He has not been proven right on either of those points…yet. But it does go to show that Osho did have quite an ordinary vindictive side to his personality.”
Well, this is a very superficial blaming of Osho to be: “vindictive”…To my feeling with this reaction he showed he still loved Sheela as being humble and insightful enough to kill herself – or at least go insane…
No, Sheela showed no regrets at all to this day. She was below Osho’s love and trust for her.
Good post, Veet Tom. Sheela was a dominatrix with high heels corrupted by power, and has never apologised for betraying Osho and abusing sannyasins with actual bodily and psychological harm and the commune. Powerful woman but not humble.
And now they have her all over YouTube. Which is confusing many young Indians who don’t know any better.
Maybe I should create a biographical sketch of Swami Ageh Bharti and Dr. Gokul Gokani. Both of them I know from Pune 2 days.
If history of our own time is being corrupted in such a way, one can imagine the outcome of centuries old gospels.
One thing is for sure, Amrito´s statement on the eve of Osho´s death is a scripted, doctored creation almost in the style of death bed dialogues in a Hindi movie.
Somewhere there is a sense of betrayal in all those who pour their precious emotions at the call of the master.
MOD: Shantam, PLEASE DO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT Swami Ageh Bharti AND Dr. Gokul Gokani.
Here is the facebook link of Dr. Gokani:
https://www.facebook.com/Kumud1942?fref=nf
Yesterday I have written him the message at facebook and private message to respond to the article at sannyasnews.
As I have seen one post, he has replied but at the five years old thread, so I am not sure whether it has reached editor or not.
I have requested him to post at this thread and given him the link.
I sent him the link to this page.
Love,
Punya
In 1988, I had a chance to be a guest in Swami Ageh Bharti´s railway quarter accommodation in Satna, around 175 kms. away from Jabalpur.
I visited his home with my first girlfriend; I don´t know how come she was so eager to visit him, maybe for the reason he is one of those Indians who were declared in bulk some kind of Sabuddha or Bodhisattva by Osho during Rajneeshpuram days.
I think before me, Ageh Bharti´s son Raghu was one of her friends. So maybe she must have got family know-how.
Being from the same area, Ageh knows Osho from days of Acharya. He has written two, three books also based on early memories.
One thing worth appreciating is the complete surrender and dedication to Osho. It is nothing unusual as most of the Indians marry once and choose master once for ever.
It is very usual in the human nature, whatever may come I won´t go against the establishment created by master even after his death. Surely, for disciples, masters don´t die therefore it is presumed any priest controlling the establishment has the direct blessings and sanction of master, otherwise he would not be in that position.
Modernity, rationality and religious beliefs don´t go together.
Perfectly correct, Shantambhai.
You say:”Modernity, rationality and religious beliefs don´t go together.”
This is why IS (Indian Sannyas) must band together and drive out the infidels who have murdered the prophet and restore everything in Kaliphate Park to the former glory of when prophet was alive!
(Including giving Shantambhai an advance/sub on his 72 virgins for invaluable services rendered to the cause!).
The alcoholic kaffir baboon apostates and their loose morality, changing their wives, their masters, even their underwear every day! It is an abominaton in the sight of enlightenment!
They will never understand the wisdom of mighty Bhorat, which is wasted on them like master in Rolls Royce filling petrol engine with red diesel on Bajaj scooter!
Yahoo!
Inshosho!
I lived in the Ashram when Osho left his body and I was in close contact with Jayesh, Amrito, Garimo and most Inner Circle people, seeing them daily, spending long evenings hanging out and drinking together.
I have no idea what goes around in the media at the moment in regard to Osho’s death, but it looks like many twists in spite of our Master having remained very simple. Here it looks more like people trying to make things up to fit to their mind – not many facts with a sound base in this story: ‘The reality of Osho’s death’.
Your mind is maybe not able to embrace this experience, but try to keep it simple and keep it as an extraordinary experience – like being aware of your presence in this very moment…nothing more is needed.
Amrito did everything that he could do to support Osho being in his body. Osho’s health was fragile in the 70s and in the 80s, he talked about it in discourses several times. At his last day, when he was asked by Amrito to put him on cardiographic support, Osho said: “No, let me go.” This can be seen at the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYe34M2T_g8&t=285s
I am strongly recommending you to watch this video. I am not a supporter of how Osho’s work and community is managed, but that has little to do with Osho leaving his body.
Parnesh, think in this way, those who have crushed the spirit of Osho´s work and his community cannot be wise enough to take care of Osho´s body too.
Path to hell is paved with good intentions and no doubt Jayesh had good intentions to smuggle Osho out of American borders without even thinking air traffic control keeps eyes on every plane up in the sky.
This one cannot say for sure whether they discussed the plan with then Bhagwan or told him, “You need few days holidays in Trump Casino and resort to wash out the stress of Sheela Saga.”
Circumstantial evidence shows Amrito and Jayesh are two culprits imposing their minds on the work born out of No Mind. One can say in their defence, Osho has chosen them? Surely Sheela was planted by Narendra Bhai Modi!
“Your mind is maybe not able to embrace this experience, but try to keep it simple and keep it as an extraordinary experience – like being aware of your presence in this very moment…nothing more is needed.” (Pranesh)
Yes, Pranesh, I´ve been present too in His garden, and I remember the pin-drop Silence before Amrito entered the stage. Too bad, isn´t it, that our capacity to hold this Silence seems to turn out to be quite limited?
As far as this very point is concerned, Ageh Bharti´s valuable clearance has nothing to do with any “hagiography”. It´s just what you then are putting out again ‘here-now’ in simpler words. As such has no time, and I even dare to say: no space-and-time.
And thank you for remembering that.
Madhu
The article is informative on some details – the support of his close disciples in the lead up to Osho’s death, but is otherwise a typically hagiographic tale.
What is it about Osho lovers who need to romanticise and emotionalise him in such a way that reminds me of Christians and Moslems, and is leading to the creation of a religion, despite Osho’s remonstrations to avoid doing precisely that?
It appears to me that they need, above all, to raise him to pedestal basis, as a means of avoiding taking the necessary steps to enlighten themselves.
Whilst I’m forever grateful to Osho, he died some years ago, his vision of a commune failed miserably, his views on AIDS or gays are outdated and Life and the wider teaching has evolved since his death. This takes nothing away from his contribution, but this continuing adulation is counter-productive. It keeps sannyasins rooted to the past and has already led to camps of various sorts all competing to keep ‘their’ vision and idea of Osho alive.
The Osho experiment was precisely that, a great adventure for those involved, but Life has moved on, whilst many contributions here are getting older and staler and often repetitive. Of course my own contributions are also rarer and perhaps no less repetitive.
It’s not entirely clear how Ageh Bharti believes he has shed light on the “exact circumstances” surrounding Osho’s death when he wasn’t even there!
He claims that many (Indians) had been reassured and are now at ease within themselves thanks to his sentimental and superstitious ramblings.
When Osho declared Ageh Bharti to be ‘enlightened’ Osho obviously forgot to mention to him that enlightenment is bad for memory. As AB has forgotten that Osho advocated euthanasia:
“Everybody should be given the fundamental right that after a certain age, when he has lived enough and does not want to go on dragging unnecessarily…Because tomorrow will be again just a repetition; he has lost all curiosity about tomorrow. He has every right to leave the body. It is his fundamental right.” (‘Sermons in Stones’, Chapter 29).
Unfortunately, euthanasia is illegal in India.
If Osho was good to his own words, and assistance was asked for, it would be sensible to have his request handled surreptitiously and on a strictly need-to-know basis. Why risk prosecution for Osho’s mother (and others) by making them unnecessary accomplices?
If assistance was given, then looking at the events of that night – from the outside – you would expect to see much clandestine activity.
So, what do you see when you look at the events of that night from the outside?
Whilst I do respect Ageh Bharti for his supporting the Resort management and I accept their ‘public’ version of events, I find it hard to accept his attempt to explain things away with patronising drivel.
At that time there was no division amongst sannyasins, so I suspect no consideration was ever given to the possibility that the events of that night may one day be challenged.
If Abhay Vaidya’s (“one of the finest unbiased journalists”) book does not contain the word ‘euthanasia’, then my recommendation for it would not be the bookshelf rather the pulping machine. Along with his reputation.
Good post from Anubodh.
Strongly recommended, re-read or read Veena´s (UK) contribution in Osho News, August 30, 2016, dealing with the issue under the title: “Stop this Sensational Nonsense”!
Link, Madhu?
oshonews.com August 30, 2016.
http://www.oshonews.com/2016/08/30/stop-this-sensationalist-nonsense/
Thanks for the link. It is a good article.
I´m wondering (not only this evening), if some of you guys feel a special urge in the chat to ignore my posts and some of my research; feel ´ghosted´, as one names it.
That hurts.
Madhu
A special urge to ignore you, Madhu, no, not at all. In this case I asked you for a link, which you did not manage to provide. No more, no less.
This is, Lokesh (16 June, 2017 at 11:56 pm), to use your own words, a ´squeaky clean´ response.
New standards of executing indifference have come up – especially, but not only, on the virtual lane.
I remember how thrilled I´ve been when you branded ´squeaky clean´, to declare that some topic expression has been missing – times ago – some vital authenticity, honesty.
Growing indifference and hiding – denying humaness behind technical explanations have become a huge major issue in these times, also on the minor ´Advaita-Market´ with some of its ´alpha – males´.
It hurts.
Madhu
Madhu, I am not exactly sure what you are talking about. This is quite often the case with your writing, because you often couch what you have to say in a language that to me is none too clear. This has nothing to do with the fact that English is not your mother tongue, you have a very good command of English, but it is rather more a question of over-elaboration.
A good example would be the following:
“Growing indifference and hiding – denying humaness behind technical explanations have become a huge, major issue in these times, also on the minor ´Advaita-Market´ with some of its ´alpha–males´.” I have not the faintest idea about what you are alluding to or to whom exactly on this blog it might concern.
You might find that you get the kind of response you are so obviously missing if you wrote in a simpler and more to the point style. It is up to you, as is the way you choose to take the way things are said or not said in relation to your posts.
How many bloggers were in Pune during those days of Osho leaving the body and before that, Nirvano´s late night silent cremation? It is a period of 40 days.
I was running my memory. I don´t think ardent devotee like Ageh Bharti has spent even 40 days in total during Osho´s second Pune stay. Whereas Dr. Gokani shifted to Pune with his family. I will ask him in which country he was living before.
Presently he is in Oregon. I think he is one of those who re-shifted from Pune once commune got changed into Resort.
“Presently he is in Oregon.”
Shantam, what makes you think that anyone reading this bit of trivia would be the slightest bit interested in Dr Gokani’s whereabouts? You really are a bit of a snooper.
Reminds me of my first encounter with Poonjaji. He told me, among other things, to mind my own business. For a while I wondered why the fuck he told me to mind my own business. I am not particularly nosy.
Then it came to me that it is not quite as simple as that. I was wasting my time on things that really did not concern me. I began from that day on to try and mind my own business. Fortunately, my partner pulls me up when I do not.
Minding your own business helps one live a more peaceful life. People who cannot mind their own business usually do so because they do not have any of their own business to attend to.
The main point is tht Osho ‘lived’ at all, especially post-enlightenment which seems to be universally recognised as a bit dfficult! (Stayng in the body and all that!).
Anubodh is spot on in mentioning the word euthanasia. Osho himself often spoke for it, and I never heard him speak against it!
Osho himself took risks with his health, against the advice of his then inner circle, over his use of nitrous oxide. There are clear incidents in the nitrous books where Devageet or someone is trying to persuade Osho to reduce the intake. Also, though it may not have been clear at the time, repeated daily use of nitrous oxide at certain levels is pretty dangerous and has symptoms very similar to thallium poisoning.
One answer to the ridiculous question of who killed Osho has at least two explanations which are simply that Osho himself took a large part in that.
“One answer to the ridiculous question of who killed Osho has at least two explanations which are simply that Osho himself took a large part in that.”
My sentiments entirely. The thallium story does not add up. Apart from anything else, Osho was seen as an oddball cult leader, not a threat to America. A nuisance maybe, but he was no Gadaffi.
While treating the body of a patient the Doctor should be in charge, not the patient.
Kusum, that is bollocks.
Kusum:
In Osho’s case you clearly have not read, for example, a key document from Devageet, Osho’s personal dentist.
When Osho told Devageet to take out most of his teeth (which were, in the ordinary dental sense, still okay) in late 1989, Devageet demurred. Osho just said something like “okay then.”
But immediately ordered up a dentist from the Pune town, with the express order to do as he said. When Devageet learned of this he himself did the job, as I understand it.
When one was a disciple Doctor or Dentist personally for Osho, then clearly this was a matter of complete surrender to the will of the patient.
The question of such surrender, and whether such surrender is misplaced, when one is sure the Master is mistaken, is the sort of discussion that could fill a book, and certainly another thread.
You can check this yourself by reading the excellent record from Devageet called ‘The first Buddha in the Dental Chair’, by Swami Devageet. I am sure that Viha will still stock copies.
Osho did not die in January 1990 but the day Osho commune became Meditation Resort. Creator dies if his creation is compromised.
His body won´t come again but His work in its original glory can be restored.
P.S:
Don´t tell me the mind rubbish, Osho´s main work is to go inside or some other philosophical garbage.
Shantam, please explain to the readers what you actually believe Osho’s main work is.
The opposite is the case, Shantam. Osho’s work was resurrected in 1990 by this development.
Actually, people there at the time tell me that you yourself benefited from this development as many from Europe came to the Resort, and you were often amongst them.
The implication of your last sentence is also the opposite of what you intend. Osho’s main work is to bring those interested close to emptiness and simply being a watcher…whether in the Resort swimming pool or on a Himalayan peak.
This is belief. Every religion or cult has their own set of beliefs.
Being Watcher does not mean you see a crime happening and remain watching without getting the guts to do something or at least give the right eye-witness account.
Shantam believes, “Being Watcher does not mean you see a crime happening and remain watching without getting the guts to do something or at least give the right eye-witness account.”
“This is belief. Every religion or cult has their own set of belief.”
I repeat, Shantam, please explain to the readers what you actually believe Osho’s main work is.
“Being Watcher does not mean you see a crime happening and remain watching without getting the guts to do something or at least give the right eye-witness account.”
Right. Being Watcher includes also watching your doing, your actions.
Watching your interfering into the crime or watching your not interfering into the crime.
Watching your criticising the Resort – watching your writing comments.
This is Veena’s letter on OshoNews. I think it very good, as other contributors like Lokesh do here, so I am posting it below. Well done Veena!
“I have seen a number of these stupid articles (re Osho’s death) and ignored them, hoping that people would get tired of them and see some sense. Now I want to object. It is time to stop this sensationalist nonsense.
If you look at each point being made here, they are all contrived and meaningless innuendo. I am not a fan at all of the people named in this and other like articles but I know with absolute clarity that they would never have killed Osho. Steal the money, manage things hopelessly, forge wills, yes, but they would never commit murder.
My feeling is that, as Osho said, the death of an enlightened being is a huge event of deep spiritual significance and should be met with deep love, silence and respect. Osho knew it was his time to go. Nothing should interfere with the vast occasion of his death. We know so well how soft and delicate one should be around a person who is dying, and respect this mysterious space. Why should that love and respect not be shown to Osho at the climax of his life? Well-meaning doctors (maybe self-serving doctors) would have interfered with this amazing and precious happening. Allowing strangers to try and treat him or rushing him to hospital and trying to save his life, attaching him to tubes and machines, when he was absolutely ready to go, would have been massively disrespectful, and destroyed the process of his leaving the body and releasing all his enlightened energy to be absorbed by his devoted disciples.
I credit Amrito and Jayesh, no matter how much I disagree with them about most things, with being aware of and sensitive to this momentous event and not interfering with the natural process of leaving the body. Osho said many times his ship was already waiting to take him to the other shore.
Please do not sully this precious mysterious event with stupid, disrespectful, media-oriented, sensationalist RUBBISH.”
Prem Veena
Beloved friends,
I read your comments carefully and conclude that your opinions are nothing but speculations depending on information from right and wrong sources. I know the nature, quality, ability, capability and limitations of Buddhas by my own experience. So I do not depend on information from any corner to know Osho. And there can be nobody known or unknown whom I can flatter. I never flattered even Osho. That is absolutely against my nature. So it is just some inferior ideas projecting on me.
Someone has wanted my biography:So, I saw Osho in July, 1964 in a condolence meeting of a VIP’s son. The VIP was a lover of Osho but I was not, though I had been a seeker of Truth from 1964 on my own. In early Dec. of 1966, some mysterious experience happened that changed the whole course of my life and that made me feel that I was enlightened because I was living all the virtues and symptoms of a Buddha. Then after about two months I had a strong feeling that someone else too should say it.
Then I met Osho one-to-one on 10th Feb. 1967 and told him the full details of the happening. Osho told that it was “not enlightenment but the highest stage of mind, which is rare, not common. Mind is capable to get a glimpse of ‘Truth’. But it is not common, it is rare. Enjoy the bliss within that God has bestowed upon and don’t tell people because it will pass over their heads. They wouldn’t understand. And they will say you a madman. And it is not good that many people say or think that you are mad. And when you feel like coming here, doors are open.”
On that very first day and thereafter I addressed him as Bhagwan instead of Acharya ji as people were addressing. Since that day, 10th Feb. 1967, I am his disciple and one of his most loved and trusted men till today. I alone had the privilege in entire Jabalpur city to see him without an appointment.
He took two kinds of work from me, writing and gossiping. He asked me to write articles in his name if demanded by a title on which he had not spoken by then and I had to use this authority once in 1969. I wrote the article, put Osho’s name and presented by Shiv (then Shiv, now Swami Ageh Bharti). He never told what he meant by gossiping and what I was doing nor did I.think any need to ask ever. Things were so heart-to-heart. He certainly understood me without telling in words and even I used to know his message not told in words.
During four years history of Rajneeshpuram only I was blessed to live there as his personal guest for four months in 1985. Very first day he called for me and chatted for an hour in most friendly way. I have authored 20 books in Hindi and two in English on and about Osho. About 300 articles are published on Osho. Well, my name too was in the list of enlightened ones in 1984. Presently, I facilitate Osho meditation camps, give talks in colleges, universities, clubs etc. I am 83 years and three months of age.
MOD:
Ageh Bharti, DO YOU WANT ONE OR TWO THINGS YOU WROTE IN AN EARLIER POST TODAY THAT WEREN’T INCLUDED IN THIS ONE (EG RE THE COURTS AND YOUR YOUTUBE INTERVIEWS) TO BE ADDED HERE?
Master dies a silent death when disciples start comparing who is the closest one?
Gee whizz! Reading Swami Ageh Bharti’s comment I now realise what a special man he is, very rare.
In Spain, when you describe someone as ‘special’ it means they are a few cards short of a full pack. Not that this could possibly be the case with Swami Ageh Bharti, because, as clearly stated, Osho gave him special treatment and he is 83 years and three months of age.
Congratulations, Swami Ageh Bharti, for having lived so long and more or less kept your mental faculties intact.
I agree with Ageh Bharti: “opinions are nothing but speculations.”
But, I was not giving an opinion or speculating on Osho’s death. I was simply asking what seemed most likely, given the known facts. Each individual can then form their own opinions.
There is a subtle difference between likelihood and speculation. Which Ageh Bharti does not seem to understand.
All he has done is use assertion to try and forcefully close what is self-evidently an open question.
I could have an ‘opinion’ that his name got put on the list of ‘enlightened ones’ by mistake, an error deemed too embarrassing to retract once the list was made public. But, that’s just speculation.
He said when he first met Osho he was told: “No, you are not enlightened but on a ‘head trip’.” Considering he spent one paragraph dismissing any concerns with incoherent nonsense, and five dedicated to self-aggrandisement, is it plausible that my speculation is true, and so, he’s still on a head trip?
Each individual can now form their own opinions.
I suspect that Ageh Bharti could be Anand Yogi`s guru, Swami Bhorat. Or at least a close relation.
To come in for a sharing or to come in for installing or forming an opinion, looking for ´followers´ like in a social network, is quite something else, isn´t it, Anand Anubodh?
Maybe I´m really unable to grasp how come that even now. some are so kind of obsessed with an ´Enlightenment-Certificate´ or thoroughly downgrading such as fraud.
What for, Anand Anubodh?
Madhu
Hello Madhu,
I hope you are keeping well.
Lokesh told you earlier that if your posts are difficult to understand you are unlikely to get a response.
I find the two questions you are asking me difficult to understand. I am not going to try and guess at their meaning, as that could start a conflict and upset you even more.
Maybe you could re-post the questions again in German, so I can put them into an online translator.
That may improve things.
Ok.
Hi Anand Anubodh,
Thanks for your good wishes for my well-being, if you meant by that ´keeping well´.
Thanks too for showing up with your intention to join Lokesh in his judgements about my writing here; it improves my understanding about your post.
And no, an online translator will not improve ´things´, as you put it; that´s what I simply know in this case.
Wishing both of us a beautiful summer day,
Sincerely,
Madhu
Madhu, that is one of the most coherent posts you have ever written on SN. Yes, I know that is a judgement. I hope you will forgive me for my transgression.
You won´t be surprised, I guess, Lokesh, that your kind of pervert formulated transgression is not forgiven.
From my side.
Otherwise, enjoy your clapping buddhies, the energetic field here, so to say.
Madhu
Almost every autobiographer tries to glorify oneself, painting a good picture of oneself in one’s own autobiography.
Nice to know that Ageh Bharati feels being loved & being special.
Good post, Anubodh.
My sentiments exactly.
“During four years history of Rajneeshpuram only I was blessed to live there as his personal guest for four months in 1985. Very first day he called for me and chatted for an hour in most friendly way. I have authored 20 books in Hindi and two in English on and about Osho. About 300 articles are published on Osho. Well, my name too was in the list of enlightened ones in 1984. Presently, I facilitate Osho meditation camps, give talks in colleges, universities, clubs etc. I am 83 years and three months of age.”
I don’t know what is in your minds about special and comparing, it’s all in your mind. He is simply stating facts.
Well, he was on that “enlightened ones” list. Does it prove anything?
No. I was not on that list. Does it prove anything? No.
Still one of my favourite Osho quote: “All Masters are great liars.”
And he was even a Master of Masters. Was he not?
Every individual is unique & special.
Kusum, there exist reference books called dictionaries wherein it says, among other things, that an individual is a human regarded as a distinctive or unique personality: so you really need not bother to tell SN readers what they already know and thus save your valuable time for more gainful activities.
Santa Swami, “Do you know, village mayor died of gun wounds in New York city?”
Banta Singh, “It is impossible?”
Santa, “Why?”
Banta Singh, “My God, I was the one who brought him to the airport. There was perfect police security.”
(Joke is dedicated to all Indians who know Osho from the days of Acharya).
I repeat, Shantam, please explain to the readers what you actually believe Osho’s main work is.
Lokesh, this is not complicated to write, what I mean by Osho´s main work. Only thing is I write spontaneously and not when commissioned.
Believe me, if I write it will be one of the most authentic pieces for the reason I will leave many windows open.
This is Osho style, basic architect is stable, windows have chance to be replaced.
Shantam, it would appear that you do not really have a ready answer as to what exactly Osho’s ‘main work’ constitutes or else you would have given a simple answer. Instead you write in a metaphorical style which conveys little.
Yet, earlier, you wrote as if you had a clear idea about what Osho’s main work is. This comes across as somewhat hypocritical.
Ok, Acharaya Lokesh.
Before I write an article dedicated to you let me ask for the preface…
What is the main work of late Mahesh Yogi?
What is the main work of late Sai Baba?
Same is the question for late January Krishnamurti, late Punja ji and our beloved late Osho Ji?
If you want, you can add two, three names of alive or departed spiritual or other greats.
For example, what is the main work of Bill Gates and Steve Jobs?
Answer this simple post and I hope to write an article sooner than thought: ‘Osho’s Main Work’.
Shantam, I asked you a simple question and you respond by asking me several.
If you wish to write an article about ‘Osho’s Main Work’ then why don’t you just do it, instead of making it depend on what someone else has to say as a precondition? If you write your essay or not I don’t think anyone on SN will care one way or another. Really, man, it is up to you.
“Osho is the man of Krishna, Buddha and Mahavira’s stature. Naturally wherever he lives, a divine glow, silence and sacred serenity surrounds him. Hence….”
Why become so serious? If it is the funeral of someone who has given us all infinite laughter too, the inconsolable widow reactions I would leave on the road.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNIEroaKUs0
Ciao,
VF
Why choose one over the other? Why condemn “divine glow, silence and sacred serenity” as too “serious”, as “inconsolable widow reactions”?
Why not enjoy both dimensions? Perhaps each somehow implies the other anyway?
We are not deliberately ´choosing’ anyway in experiencing, I presume, Satyadeva; this ´we´ you are talking about is a multi-multi dimensional, multi-faceted appearance anyway.
Not every appearance of habits to react or responding is appreciated though.
The ´We-Space´evolves by sharing, and sharing in the least judgemental attitude we are capable of.
To the latter you gave an input and how nice is that!
Times ago, I have been looking into some vids about the author of this topic thread, Ageh Bharti, have been more attracted to his face and mimic and gestures as to some of the other Indian Swamis (as I don´t speak hindi, couldn´t get what he confers).
We – in this very small Sannyas chat – are enriched by his contribution as a venerable elder, I´d say.
Otherwise – the whispering then of a family…a Sangha…dysfunctional, functional and sometimes beyond these limitations; these being the moments we are all going for, aren´t we?
Madhu
I agree with you, if one did not read the conjunction “Hence”. Then the rhetoric of the sentence changes.
I did something perhaps grammatically incorrect, because “Hence” is inside quotation marks…
But the idea that with a corpse you can cook a Margherita, a Capricciosa and a Quattro Stagioni should be shared!
The inconsolable widow is not necessarily a Ma.
Ciao,
VF
MOD:
Veet, WHICH POST ARE YOU RESPONDING TO HERE, PLEASE?
Shantam Prem and Bharti! Osho’s main work! Add your name to the list if you value Osho, or complain about him and find another way…As for Krishnamurti or others, subscribe or unsubscribe, we are all here to ‘be’. Doing nothing is impossible.
@MOD
(sorry) I meant to reply to Satyadeva:
satyadeva says:
18 June, 2017 at 11:33 am
“Why choose one over the other? Why condemn “divine glow, silence and sacred serenity” as too “serious”, as “inconsolable widow reactions”?
Why not enjoy both dimensions? Perhaps each somehow implies the other anyway?”
I suspect most who become involved with Osho have noticed the strange and mysterious synchronicities that begin to appear in their lives.
This topic featured Ageh Bharti and his attempt to raise his profile amongst those in the wider world who had never heard of him. And once more something interesting has happened.
I pasted some of the text posted earlier in this string into Google translate:
“Maybe I´m really unable to grasp how come that even now some are so kind of obsessed with an ´Enlightenment-Certificate´ or thoroughly downgrading such as fraud”.
Then flipped it from English into German, and back into English. Just to see what would happen.
Amazingly the result was:
“Perhaps I am really not able to grasp how this is already happening. Some are so nicely owned by an “Enlightenment Certificate” or a thorough demotion such as fraud”.
The famous (or maybe, infamous) list of the ‘enlightened ones’ is not very far from a ‘certificate of certification’ (as that’s how some of them seem to take it).
So perhaps Osho really is still working on us from wherever. And those that need it are being reminded: “Some are so nicely owned by an enlightenment certificate”.
Spooky!
We have to trust Sheela completely, because Osho chose her as a secretary, so we must not question what she does.
Also Osho was this big enlightened figure like Krishna and Buddha. But he had to be incinerated right away, because Osho was just an ordinary person.
To me, the article is patronising drivel, basically “I meditated, I understand Osho better than you.” Also “Osho chose the Resort Management, therefore we should not question what they do”.
It is called brainwashing. Almost in all cults & religions that has happened. Check out all the cults through google.
I stumbled over this mind-thread from 2017 only now, because such old rumours still were revived somewhere on the net – of course to zombie-life only, as usual…Reading those comments show your elaborated minds, but all is just eternal mindfuck when you just watch it as a guest – even if some try hard to be honest and careful – with still poor words.
Yes, I can perfectly mirror myself in this brain-field of educated Jesuits, endlessly discussing the light that has dimmed on them years ago… Namasté, Love, His Blessings.
“I watched it for a little while
I like to watch things on TV
Satellite of love….”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJoHspUta-E