An undiscussed topic within the history and present of sannyas is the subject of sterilisation.
Let’s face it, what children there were in the old communes gave it a mixed press when they gradually became adults - but the truth is that there were not many children statistically….
I can only speak specifically of an earlier time. For example when I worked in a big department in the then ashram, a number of “workers” both male and female got sterilised, and this procedure was given free to those who were seen as dedicated.
The ashram even gave reasons for workers to consider. I no longer believe these reasons came directly from Osho but they were sometimes enunciated as if they did.
One was a perfectly valid reason and still very true today: overpopulation is killing the planet.
Another common point coming from middle managers in the ashram was that children hindered personal growth and meditation: being a seeker one had to be one pointed and plan a life free from distraction. This reason seems more dubious: surely meditation needs to be tested amongst the noises and chaos of the world…
Another reason given to female workers who were considering sterilisation was that they could become more orgasmic and live without fear of pregnancy. Maybe so, but lets face it many people got sexually transmitted diseases, so even that is a mixed-up reason.
During my 40 years of sannyas and being addicted somewhat to networking, I have met a fair few female sannyaisns who regretted, in hindsight, their sterilisations, and one does wonder about it. In the best conversation I had about the topic, the sannyasin concerned said that sterilisation should have been only for the very few. It should never have been a “fashion” and actually even though being a “worker” in the ashram showed a certain maturity and one pointedness to pursue ones own enlightenment, it was not in and of itself an indelible mark of being “ready” to give up “everything”.
A view I share, and which still continues, I would say, to be valid today.
Parmartha
Maybe this sterilization is the reason Sannyas as a way of life did not go beyond infantile stage and teenage tantrums. One can look around the life happening around us, people in their 40s or more who don´t have kids always remain occupied with the stories of their parents.
Future may or may not happen, past is always there.
Tell us about Poona 2 and 3, Shantam. Was the fashion for sterilisation dropped by then?
Shantam, you say, “Sannyas as a way of life did not go beyond infantile stage and teenage tantrums.”
What exactly do you mean by “Sannyas as a way of life”? For you personally, that is?
You complain here so much but let’s get down to specifics, towards the source(s) of your problem. What in your own personal, daily/weekly life is ‘wrong’, ie that makes you disturbed, discontented, unhappy? Do you ever ask yourself this question? Please be honest, Shantam.
P.S:
From past evidence I don’t expect a convincing response.
Satyadeva, without boasting, I am one of the most honest sannyas writers, not just on this platform but at facebook too.
At facebook the situation is such, those who are not willing to take direct position provide me the information and urge to speak or write about the Sannyas-related matters. I know you won´t be on facebook as it is required to share some basic bio data and photo.
I can write a complete article about “Sannyas as a way of life and its decline”. Right now, I share one example from my facebook wall. It took place yesterday in my post where I have written about watching the dance in cinema or tv or dancing in Osho meditations. At this, one friend wrote, “It is not just dance. Hugging too has a stamp of Osho. When two sannyasins hug it has so much flow of energy and purity. It simply touches the heart.”
I asked, “When was the last time you have hugged another sannyasin?”
Honestly, he answered, “During mid-90s.”
Sarcastically, I wrote, “Those thugs who think Sannyas is spreading like wildfire should read this dialogue.”
While writing this, a thought was arising, “When was the last time I have hugged a sannyasin?” It was during last summer on the parking area of a resort in Ibiza, when Lokesh came to drop me and my son.
Apart from such hugging being far from the sole province of sannyasins (and btw, what a typical piece of ‘sannyas elitism’ your attitude represents), you’ve apparently chosen to ignore my second question, Shantam, the one where I ask you to look honestly at your own life and see exactly where the problem(s) is/are.
By the way, please leave Sannyas out of this enquiry, that’s just a convenient ‘red (or orange, or rainbow-coloured) herring that enables you to avoid the issue(s).
Until you’re able to do this your claims of ‘superior honesty’ are, frankly, simply laughable delusion.
Satyadeva,
Are you idiot or what? Have you any shame, any human dignity or you are so blinded by your fucking vanity?
A man hiding his identity asks about other people´s honesty. Only an asshole can be such.
Shantam, I may well be an idiot, I may well have no shame nor human dignity, and I could very well be blinded by vanity.
However, I’m not stupid enough not to realise that your raging reaction simply demonstrates that I’ve hit you where it counts: somewhere inside, you know I’m on the right track, whether you admit it to yourself or anyone else, or not..
Such reactivity, by the way, is the epitome of dishonesty. As is your risible claim to be “one of the most honest” ones about and around Sannyas. Because the self-blindness thus manifested is the very foundation of dishonesty.
No wonder you’re starved of hugs.
For goodness sake, Satyadeva, when are you going to stop trying to convince Shantam Prem of anything?
Two years I’ve been reading your attempts to convince and change him.
You are getting as repetitive as he is. Kettle black and all that! Get over it, old boy.
It’s called boundary-setting, vicar. Show some respect.
Shantam declares, ‘While writing this, a thought was arising, “When was the last time I have hugged a sannyasin?” It was during last summer on the parking area of a resort in Ibiza, when Lokesh came to drop me and my son.’
I suppose as far as hugs go it was a memorable one. I am surprised to hear Shantam is so unhugged.
When was the last time I have hugged a sannyasin? Ehm…er, this very afternoon. I met two old sannyasin friends on the street. We hugged. Went for a coffee. Chatted and then hugged and said adios. Kind of an almost daily thing for me. Not something I think about.
Osho and his sannyasins helped popularize hugging…helps connect with your inner child etc. For me, it is natural to hug a friend. I suppose I am quite tactile for a Scot. I cool the hugging numero when visiting the auld hameland. Or else the locals are liable to see you as being a weirdo. And yes, I am speaking from experience.
In Poona 1 until today I never went for the ten minute hug. You know, eyes closed and a serene expression on the lips. Just not my thing…always seemed a bit contrived to me…but hey….different strokes.
I find it healthy to live somewhere where giving a hug is viewed as normal…without the need to connect with my inner child. My outer child is enough to be going on with. As Keith Richards was heard to say, you do not grow up until you die. Yes, good to have friends around that you hug when you meet. On Ibiza it has become common over the last three years for guys to kiss you on the cheeks. Yeah, okay if you are good pals.
So, Shantam, I suggest that your declaration betrays the fact that, for a man like yourself, you might try moving somewhere that people appreciate you enough that they might feel inclined to give you a hug now and then. Whether or not people are sannyasins or not isn’t really the point. As Hoo Flung Dungo famously said, a hug is a hug is a hug.
Lokesh, just because 50-100 European sannyasins have found their abode in Idiza and connect with each other as a tribe does not mean it is a great expansion of Sannyas Inc.
As far as appreciation of people is concerned, I have enough gravity for this and capacity to reciprocate. Without getting nourishment from something bigger than myself I would not have stayed this long in Europe.
So understand the things in their right perspective, and don´t treat yourself and Ibiza as a navel of the world.
‘So understand the things in their right perspective’, says Shantam. After having said, “just because 50-100 European sannyasins have found their abode in Ibiza and connect with each other as a tribe does not mean it is a great expansion of Sannyas Inc.”
I never said that, meaning Shantam has misunderstood me by taking a wrong perspective. That is, going by what he lays down as the way to see things. I hug people that I feel connected with, whether or not they are sannyasins is besides the point.
You are right, Lokesh. I will also keep in mind, “So understand the things in their right perspective.”
Now imagine, you or other disciples get a chance to correct someone like Bhagwan types! That is a burden to be a master, you can not avail the liberty to be wrong and false. Disciples kill the market value of such fallible Messiahs/Masters.
My younger brother was dropped on the floor by the nurse on his 6th day after birth and his left side got paralysed. He did go to a special school but my mother had to take special care of him till he passed at 11 years. All that probably left me traumatised about having children.
Somehow even as a child or in my teens I never once dreamed of having children. In my growing- up years for some reason there was always an understanding that it’s better to adopt an abandoned child than have one; somehow, when I came to Poona/Osho that too vanished.
I have heard too many stories of Osho insisting on having sterilization and also encouraging abortions in his Commune. Well, if that’s true I am sure he had his reasons – guess we all do.
I remember in my initial years of sannyas, once when I was taking care of my ailing unmarried & childless uncle, who had spent his whole youth & life thereafter with J.Krishnamurti, he told me that it was a mistake not to have had children & so I should not do the same mistake. I said to him, “let me make my own mistake and learn. Thankfully,he never once said anything about this again.
Frankly, I somehow am glad now at 49 to have no desire to have any children or any real regrets so far about not having any.
I have come across fewer sannyasin friends who regretted not having children & mostly many who seem helpless after having them, but then I have few non-sannyasin friends who are in similar situations. Wonder if this can ever change anything/any time.
Good and interesting post, Kavita.
“I have come across fewer sannyasin friends who regretted not having children & mostly many who seem helpless after having them, but then I have few non-sannyasin friends who are in similar situations. Wonder if this can ever change anything/any time.” (Kavita)
Thank you for sharing, Kavita.
As far as your last sentence goes, I would say this IS changing everything, any time, as change is all that is.
Otherwise, I could very well relate to your contribution, although ´my story´ is quite another one, having gone through abortion issues long ago, regret and much pain. It´s a scar in my case.
Lokesh did put up some fitting remarks on the climate of times long, long ago – but from a male body-mind.
How I see it, those kind of ´immaturities’ he described are really gone by now for quite a while.
It´s like a turning wheel, and this wheel is turning and turning and turning….
Madhu
Thank you too, Madhu, but after reading your sentence, “As far as your last sentence goes, I would say this IS changing everything, any time, as change is all that is”, I came to more clarity for myself. Are you saying now there are more sannyasins who regretted not having children & mostly few who seem helpless after having them?
Anyway, what I meant was it’s a totally individual situation and in that sense we ourselves are responsible for our situation in the narrow sense, due to our individual circumstances.
You misunderstood me, Kavita, sorry.
I may clarify that, maybe, later.
Madhu
That would be interesting Madhu, thank you.
“One was a perfectly valid reason and still very true today: overpopulation is killing the planet.”
There is nothing perfectly valid about this reasoning at all, if put in its correct context. Most of the sannyasins who underwent sterilization in Poona 1 were westerners. What does overpopulation have to do with countries like Scotland? Nothing. Same goes for a number of countries in Europe. A lack of young people is putting a strain on pension systems etc.
To believe that those sterilizations helped the world’s overpopulation in any way illustrates a time when people were undergoing the worst kind of brainwashing, because it is pure bullshit.
Another common point coming from middle managers in the ashram was that children hindered personal growth and meditation. More bullshit. The truth is quite the opposite. Many enlightened men and women in the past were also parents.
One of the main recruiters for sterilization in Poona 1 was Diksha. She later apologized for any damage done. Many young women of that time lost their capacity to bear children and later deeply regretted it. One of the more unsavoury aspects of Poona 1. It is history now. Perhaps some will learn from the mistakes we made during those times and then perhaps something good will come of it.
Bottom line is think for yourself and question all authority. Osho was seen as an authority during those times and so were people like Diksha, who actually coerced and encouraged people to have those ops. It was ridiculous and a good reflection of the downside of those crazy times, times when people were ready to give up everything, including their critical faculties and common sense…and for what exactly? Enlightenment?
Does anyone know of just one person who became enlightened due in part to undergoing a sterilization operation in Poona 1? Just the question frames the absurdity of the whole carry-on.
Lokesh, you describe it well, how in one way or another, and in this case, in the matter of sterilisation, how we have all been duped or fooled by the ignorance and the authority of others.
In many ways the whole journey is about this phenomenon.
We are born into an ignorant world, with parents who are themselves ignorant, and teachers who are lost. It is a wonder any of us learn. But some of do see through the veil. Like Lokesh, which makes you a delight to read.
The sterilisation issue seems a perfect example of how some were duped into an action they later regret and see was totally ignorant and unnecessary.
Whether it came from Osho or not is in many ways irrelevant; at the time, some believed it did and followed with action.
I too believed Osho as I did other teachers and figures of authority. And I too have been ‘let down’ by my ignorance. The key, I’m told, is to learn from experience – and as I keep observing, experience is a funny old thing! On occasions I’ve learned nothing from being kicked around and in others, the experience has truly shown me something and I’ve never made the same mistake again.
How this works is still a mystery to me. On the one hand, I observe this incredible fear and defensiveness in others that almost by definition precludes the possibility of real learning. It’s almost as if within the larger world as well as within ourselves is this massive block or wall.
To put it simply, we don’t want to change. We will defend our right to stay in the mind, to live in the past, to defend our beliefs and sacred ideas, to the very end.
Many might suggest that the more love and affection and real direction we were given as children affect how we cope and manage and learn from experience in later life. ‘If we are loved we are less defensive’ is the mantra…All you need is Love?
I can’t help but see that positive parenting helps, but if it were love alone that solved the issues why would those from the same loving family respond so differently to life’s challenges? Why would fear still be so strong in those who have been loved? In my mind, love is too simplistic a blanket to help us solve the issues we face.
Comparing and contrasting my own experience with others around me reveals that there have been moments when I’ve been faced with my ignorance and duplicity and taken the opportunity to get beneath the problem and change forever. And I’ve helped others by doing the same to them.
At the same time I’ve been offered the opportunity or offered it to others and failed. So what was the difference? Why sometimes does it work and on other occasions, not so?
Is it simply fear? Is it that simple a reason? And why are some so much more afraid or defensive than others? How do we combat this fear and defensiveness?
It’s hellishly challenging and fraught with contradictions. Who am I to lecture? What right do I have? But if I don’t do something aren’t I just giving into my own fears?
One angle I’m seeing is that in some people there is a deeper connection to the void, to nothing, to space, to the place beyond the mind (whatever you may call it). This provides a foundation for them that helps deal with defensiveness. Whilst others don’t so readily have this.
This foundation helps them deal with criticism and helps them see through issues around authority and their own minds in a way that others, who don’t have this foundation, don’t have. But this begs further: why do they have this foundation and why do others not have it?
Everyone is someone’s villain, and everyone is someone’s victim; so most of us move around that axis.
We have all wronged others because of our wrongful assumptions and expectations, and we’ve all been wronged because of the wrongful assumptions and expectations of others.
“this begs further: why do they have this foundation and why do others not have it?”
For sure, for sure, Father Simon, it`s a mystery, so it is…
Some are born to sweet delight
Some are born to endless night….
It’s just a sweet little mystery that makes me try.
One of the most crazy things I ever heard Osho talking about (think it was some time on the Ranch) was the idea of abandoning human pregnancy altogether and just using science growing babies in test tubes and labs…women would be liberated and we would be able to create babies with more intelligence…and no defects…
I mean, was he off his head, or what…?
Given how much he made of being contradictory, it is not out of keeping that this most intelligent of men would talk bollocks as well.
Consistently inconsistent.
Of course he was, SS!
Iam reminded of this sannyasin’s view on enlightenment. Sw.Yoga Murti, of Indian origin, was probably older than Osho, he had shared that he met Osho in his late 40s, he was a traditional Yogi and was totally frustrated when he met Osho. Osho advised him to get married and have a family, he had an arranged marriage with a girl less than half his age, they have 2 children.
He is one of the most remarkable men I have met in my life. Once in 1993 he was visiting us by chance in Poona, he mostly lived in Bombay those days. I had some medical issue which I doubted at that time could be related to my appendix surgery (anyway, the issue disappeared after few days) and he said, “Enlightenment is not possible after any kind of physical surgery & the only way for a woman to be whole is to bear children.”
After that, I dropped all my ideas about my personal enlightenment!
Don’t know about “remarkable”, Kavita, but the comment you quote sounds remarkably stupid. As were you to take it on board.
SD, yes, to me he is a remarkable man, to have confessed of his frustration takes a lot of courage. & about the quote, I found that hilarious even then!
Interesting to look at some of the different groups and their attitudes towards sex and children.
AC Bhaktivedanta, the recent expounder and guru of the Krishna Consciousness movement, taught his followers, the shaven, bald-headed ‘sannyasins’, that sex was an absolute no-no.
Householders, on the other hand, were allowed to have sexual relations, but this was only for the purpose of procreation.
Once per month was his recommendation, in the context of marriage of course. Any pleasure would be frowned upon, the ‘activity’ was strictly for the purpose of having children, of course, who could then easily be programmed with the teachings of Krishna consciousness.
Similar to Catholicism perhaps, but rather different from Osho sannyasins.
Yes, SS, it’s interesting. Guess every or perhaps some Masters like Osho have personal guideline if asked, and who knows in future whether there will be some freak Osho fundamentalists who will write laws for every single human activity, like in Islam they have a book of law, Sharia, for every human activity!
I`m sure that people may try, but Osho has made it difficult for anyone to make a dogma by contradicting himself on almost every point.
Hope you are right about this.
“Bottom line is think for yourself and question all authority.” –Lokesh
Yes, this is good advice, Lokesh. When I was growing up all the authorities were saying the right thing to do was to get married and have children. That is the message I heard in the church, in the educational system, from mainstream politicians, and from my parents and family. It was the completely ‘normal’ thing to do. All the societal and family authorities were speaking with one voice, and that voice never mentioned sterilization or overpopulation.
Years before meeting Osho or taking sannyas I made the decision, at age 21, to become sterilized (for ecological reasons). It was hard to find a rebel physician 45 years ago who was willing to do the sterilization. I have had no regrets. When I came to know Osho, I saw Osho as a comrade, a fellow believer in sterilization, not as an ‘authority’ to rebel against.
Osho is the rebel against the ‘authorities’ – the society, the priests, politicians and other authorities. Osho always encouraged me to think for myself and I only felt pressured by Osho in one way: towards meditation. But even in that, Osho respected my individual freedom. Osho provided education and suggestions, but did not force or coerce. If you are thinking for yourself and questioning authority, you will likely not be coerced anyway.
Osho was right to address overpopulation. The westerners were the right people to be sterilized since western developed countries consume, per capita, and pollute, per capita, many times more than India does.
For example, Spain consumes 5,230 kWh (kilowatt hours) per person. India consumes 565 kWh per person. Sterilizing one person from Iceland (51,142 kWh per capita) saves the planet from resource depletion and environmental degradation to a much greater scale (almost by 100 times) than sterilizing an Indian.
True, the western developed countries do not have high numbers of people, but their consumption patterns have a much greater detrimental effect on the Earth, both in terms of resource depletion and pollution. For example, if you look at per capita carbon dioxide emissions (metric tons of carbon dioxide per person) contributing to global warming: USA=17, Australia=18, UK=8, Russia=12, Saudi Arabia=19, Canada=16, and India=1.5, so some non-Indians are contributing up to ten times more to harm the environment.
Sterilization makes sense everywhere (in both East and West) to extend global carrying capacity, to reduce environmental contamination, and to conserve natural resources. Not doing child-rearing is just icing on the cake, freeing more time for creative activities, friendships, meditation, etc. Osho is right that the world has enough people already.
Sam,
Osho was right to address overpopulation.
Pretty much anyone with any kind of say has avoided it like the plague for fear of riling the religions or raising the cry of “eugenics”.
On the other hand, sterilising a few freaks dressed in orange robes and no underwear didn`t really solve the problem either.
Was it supposed to be a kind of ’100 monkeys’ thing where if enough people did it, then the rest would energetically and magically follow suit?
Btw, I think your statistics about CO2 emission aren`t taking into account India`s present coal-mining rush.
Personally, I think they should get all the obese people and melt them down and use them for fuel. That would be a win/win.
Oh well.
So now we know a little more about the enigmatic bon viveur and Learian fool that is Francis. He isn’t morbidly obese. (And he was head boy of Eton. I forgot that).
It looks like there may have been somewhat of a shortage of women to men in the ancient subcontinent, judging by some of the temple carvings in Pashupatinath…
Well, SS, it seems the human ratio has changed over the ages!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sex_ratio
P.S:
After seeing the Indian ratio now it seems it’s totally opposite.
Sam, I read your comment and what it boils down to is not overpopulation but rather a defunct energy-providing system.
Besides, your saying that non-Indians are causing more pollution might not add up because there are so many Indians, who happen to be living in the most polluted country in the world. Sterilization and allowing only one child per family in China was enforced for years – end result…another kind of mess.
I would not know where to start in solving the world’s problems. It is very complicated. What I do know is that Osho’s ideas about sterilization of his sannyasins promoting spiritual growth was complete bullshit. Osho was great with kids, but left to himself he could not really be bothered with them. Perhaps his personal relationship to children gave him the sterilization ideas, or maybe some book he read. Who knows? It is all water under the bridge now.
I would say that quite a few were left feeling they made a mistake getting sterilized. As far as affecting world population it did not even cause a ripple. There are perhaps three billion more people living on the planet than there were at the time when Osho got a wee bit carried away with an idea that was put into practice and then forgotten for the most part.
Isn`t the Indian government involved in some kind of mass sterilisation project now?
My impression after going through all the posts on this important matter is that other than Kavita’s first-person account, most of the posts from men are simply intellectual jargon.
Example sake, I feel like asking to Shanti and Samarpan, two Brahmin Giants of vast knowledge of Osho Scriptures, how old are you guys? Are you both single or in relationship, and if you don’t have children is it because of Osho’s influence?
Shantam, how come you have not given your first-person account (unless you are too possessive about them?)?
I don’t plan my posts and neither I claim to be hollow bamboo!
No, no, you are beyond being a hollow bamboo and planning your posts!
It is one of the biggest myths in the world, “Earth is over-populated.”
Only certain pockets of Earth have huge population, even for them I won’t say over-populated. Anyway, has someone ever heard a Muslim talking about over-population?
Shantambhai,
Remember, it is written in holy Vedas:
“Man who wants to be important in Sannyas movement, but last time he hugged sannyasin was a Scottish baboon years ago in Lidl car park, is like man who thinks he has devoted harem of lovers whilst jacking off to Japanese Zen porn.”
Yahoo!
So, Shantam, do you think India is not over-populated?
Compared to Europe, India seems to be over-populated.
Muslims in a small extent, but other Indians are very conscious about it. Percentage of small nuclear families is increasing rapidly without outer coercion.
Shantam, what you say is not clear. Either you think India is over-populated or you think it’s not over-populated.
If you think it’s over-populated only in comparison to Europe, ie not necessarily over-populated per se, then I suggest you’re in a distinctly under-populated minority of one!
Perhaps you should “plan” your posts more often?!
So I say it in another way: Europe is under-populated and it hurts my sense of fairness that empty space is being filled by the Muslims.
Situation is like this: to see the herds of sheep, tigers, lions, elephants decided to go for sterilization. They felt forest is getting too crowded.
You’ve avoided the question again, Shantam. Forget comparisons with Europe: Is India over-populated or not?!
Here’s a hint:
Of course it bloody well is!
Europe under-populated? Depends which countries you look at. The UK, for example, certainly isn’t, although, as Lokesh said the other day, Scotland may well be termed as such.
But, for God’s sake, who wants to live in a country with ever-diminishing areas of open space, where you can hardly go anywhere without virtually tripping over people? ‘Experts’ are already confidently predicting the UK population will rise to 80 million pretty soon, especially with increasing immigration, should we remain in the EU. Appaling prospect.
Frankly, it’s hard not to see this world as irreversibly f***ed.
SD, do you have some child or children? If yes, then don’t poison their mind with your perception of this world as irreversibly f***ed.
Too late, Shantam. Whether or not I have children of my own is supremely irrelevant as, being a thoroughly nasty piece of work with strong paedophile tendencies, and having a lot to do with children and teenagers, I’m delighted to inform you that a large percentage of my young acquaintances have themselves been irreversibly corrupted already by my thoroughly malign influence.
Many of the older ones have resorted, out of sheer hopelessness, to the welcoming arms of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, or have become Muslim extremists hoping to attain glory and endless sex in the after-life*, while quite a few have already committed suicide.
And all thanks to my bombarding them with the deadly black magic mantra, “This world is irretrievably f***ed!”
So, I can die content, knowing I’ve done a good job of foisting this increasingly self-evident, poisonous truth upon them, thus ruining their lives forever.
* P.S:
Sounds like something there for you, Shantam – you know, loads of rimming and all that. But hurry up, the End Is Nigh, old bean…Why not make it a “happy” one?!
“Europe is under-populated and it hurts my sense of fairness that empty space is being filled by the Muslims.”
Perfectly correct, Shantambhai!
It is clear to those who have taken incarnation in the Jullundur area that the gap should be filled by noble Sikhs and Punjabis such as you and I who, in response to this disgraceful and shameful injustice, must go there and introduce to the Europeans both the wisdom of mighty Bhorat and our export-quality Bajaj love-pumps in order to raise both consciousness and population in the near-deserted spiritual wasteland of West!
Yahoo!
It seems India has made some attempts to control the rising population but there has been some controversy:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/12/india-sterilisation-deaths-women-forced-camps-relatives
In 1987, when the phase Pune 2 started, air was filled with the fear of coming AIDS epidemic. Over-population was not the theme. When two-thirds of the humanity is going to be wiped out through natural disasters and unrestrained sexual practices, sannyasins were more concerned about using contraceptives and no wet kissing and no sixty-nine and rimming etc., with the idea of being one of that remaining population which will survive and become base of New Man, New Humanity.
It seems like the cosmic minister who takes care of Earth was not listening to Osho, or in that sense it feels like Existence does not give a damn importance to messiahs, prophets and masters of human tribes.
Rimming? What is it? Did I miss something? Well, still there is time, before I pop off! Could you elaborate a bit more, Shantam? Cheers!
Tan,
Please do a google search, ‘What is Rimming?’ Read without blushing and ask yourself, is something you have missed?
Seems as if Shantam would blush himself to bits if he attempted to describe this practice, Tan.
Do you still want to know what it, er, ‘en-tails’?!
P.S:
What a cop-out. What’s Shantam’s problem here, I wonder?
Afraid he might show the full extent of his lasciviousness, or what?
Yes, please, I had a look at the urban dictionary, but it is not there. Enlighten me! Shantam is kidding, after all the perversions that SS posted, what can be worse? We, women, are always the target! And in the name of religion…most of the time. Very sad!
https://en.wiki2.org/wiki/Arnold_Rimmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKO8kW-x7QQ
Tan, women are not target, neither they are victim. Most of the time they are the willing partner in war and peace.
In the woman-to-woman love stories rimming is a common thing. Men when crazily in love with women also show their devotion through the act urban dictionary has mentioned as-The act of using one’s tongue on the anal rim of another person in order to gain and/or give sexual pleasure.
Insertion of the tongue is not necessary. Circular motions in the clockwise directions are supposedly better in the northern hemisphere, and anti-clockwise ones in the southern.
I`m deeply shocked!
It turns out that there is a subject in the world that Shantam actually knows something about!
Thanks, Shantam and I am REALLY SORRY to have asked. Cheers!
Rimming…oral-anal contact.
Ugh…anyone who thinks that kind of thing is fun can kiss my ass!
Thanks, McLoke, I don’t know why but piles has come to my mind. Cheers!
If only sannyasins had listened to Osho`s instructions to use rubber gloves, no kissing or even better, stay chaste,
Perhaps the energy of the buddhafield could have lifted to a whole new level, but no, foolish sannyasins just couldn`t help themselves.
Stay chaste…indeed a totally crazy instruction and totally unrealistic….
If one were to lay the world’s entire population side by side they would only cover an area the size of England and Wales combined.
Tell Nigel Farage.
He`ll be delighted.
What would happen if all of the world`s population decided to jump up and down, just once, all at the same time?
Nothing.