What is Beyond Enlightenment? – Osho
What is beyond enlightenment?
Maneesha, beyond enlightenment is only beyondness. Enlightenment is the last host. Beyond it, all boundaries disappear, all experiences disappear. Experience comes to its utmost in enlightenment; it is the very peak of all that is beautiful, of all that is immortal, of all that is blissful — but it is an experience. Beyond enlightenment there is no experience at all, because the experiencer has disappeared. Enlightenment is not only the peak of experience; it is also the finest definition of your being. Beyond it, there is only nothingness; you will not come again to a point which has to be transcended.
Experience, the experiencer, enlightenment — all have been left behind. You are part of the tremendous nothingness that is infinite. This is the nothingness out of which the whole existence comes, the womb; and this is the nothingness in which all the existence disappears.
Science has something parallel; there is bound to be something parallel. The spiritual experience is of the interior world, and science is the exploration of the exterior. But both are wings of the same existence — the inwardness and the outwardness — they always have similar points.
Scientists have come to a strange conclusion in this century, that a few stars suddenly disappear… and stars are not small things; they are not so small as they look to you. They look small because they are so far away, millions of light years away, but they are huge.
Our sun is a star, but of a mediocre size, medium size. In comparison to the earth it is vast, but in comparison to other stars it is a small, medium-sized star. There are stars which are a thousand times bigger than the sun.
And in this century, for the first time we had the instruments of observation and we were very much puzzled: suddenly a star disappears, not even leaving a trace behind of where it has gone. Such a huge phenomenon, and not even footprints — in what direction has it gone? It has just moved simply into nothingness. This was happening continually.
It took almost twenty years to figure out this new phenomenon: that in existence there are black holes. You cannot see them, but they have tremendous gravitation. Even the biggest star, if it comes within their radius of magnetism, will be pulled in. And once it is pulled into a black hole, it disappears. It is the ultimate death. We can only see the effect; we cannot see the black hole, we only see that one star is disappearing.
After the black hole was almost an established theory, scientists started thinking that there must be something like a white hole — there has to be. If it is possible that in a certain gravitation, magnetic force, a big star simply disappears out of existence…. We have been aware that every day stars are born. From where are they coming? – Nobody has asked it before.
In fact, birth we always take for granted; nobody asks from where the babies are coming.
Death we never accept, because we are so much afraid of it.
There is not a single philosophy in the whole history of man which thinks about where the babies come from, but there are philosophies and philosophies thinking about what is dead, where people go on disappearing to, what happens after death.
In my whole life I have come across millions of people, and not a single person has asked what happens before birth — and thousands have asked what happens after death. I have always been thinking, why is birth taken without any question? Why is death not taken in the same way?
We were aware for centuries, almost three centuries, that stars are being born every day—big stars, huge stars — and nobody raised the question, “From where are these stars coming?” But when we came to know about the black holes and we saw the stars disappearing, then the second question became almost an absolute necessity. If black holes can take stars into nothingness, then there must be something like white holes where things… stars come out of nothingness.
I am reminded…. Mulla Nasruddin had applied for a post on a ship. He was interviewed.
The captain and the high officials of the ship were sitting in a room. Mulla entered. The captain asked, “If the seas are in a turmoil, winds are strong, waves are huge and mountainous, what are you going to do to save the ship? It is tossed from here to there….” Mulla Nasruddin said, “It is not much of a problem: I will just drop a huge anchor to keep the ship stable against the winds, against the waves. It is not much of a problem.”
The captain again said, “Suppose another mountainous wave comes and the ship is going to be drowned; what are you going to do?”
He said, “Nothing—another huge anchor.”
The captain looked at him and asked a third time, “Suppose it is a great typhoon and it is impossible to save the ship. What are you going to do?”
He said, “Nothing, the same—a huge anchor.”
The captain said, “From where are you getting these huge anchors?”
He said, “From the same place. From where are you getting these great, mountainous waves, strong winds?—from the same place. You go on getting them; I will go on getting bigger and bigger anchors.”
If there are holes in existence where things simply disappear into non-existence, then there must be holes from where things appear from nothingness — and just a little imagination is needed. Scientists have not worked on it yet.
My suggestion is that a black hole is like a door: from one side it is a black door, a black hole—things go into it and disappear into nothingness. And from the other side of the tunnel—it is the same door, just from the other side — it is a white hole; things are born again, renewed. It is the same womb.
Beyond enlightenment you enter into nothingness.
Experience disappears, experiencer disappears.
Just pure nothingness remains, utter silence.
Perhaps this is the destiny of every human being, sooner or later to be achieved.
We don’t know yet whether there is a white hole or not—there must be.
Just as you enter beyond enlightenment into nothingness, there must be a possibility of coming out of nothingness back into form, back into existence—renewed, refreshed, luminous—on a totally different plane. Because nothing is destroyed, things can only go into a dormant state; things can go only into deep sleep. Then in the morning they wake up again. This is how the existence goes on.
In the West, this idea has never happened in the two thousand years’ history of philosophy. They only think of this creation: “Who created this?” and they get into troubles because whatever the answer is, it is going to create more questions.
In the East we have a conception of circles of existence and non-existence, just like day and night. Creation is followed by de-creation, everything goes into nothingness, just as day is followed by night and everything goes into darkness. And the period is going to be the same: as long as the creation is, so is the resting period going to be; and again there will be a creation of a higher order.
And this will go on from eternity to eternity — creation, de-creation, creation, again de-creation—but each time the morning is more beautiful. Each dawn is more colorful, more alive; the birds are singing better, the flowers are bigger, with more fragrance.
And the East has a tremendous courage of accepting the idea that this will go on forever and forever. There has never been any beginning, and there will be no end.
After enlightenment, you have to disappear. The world is left behind, the body is left behind, the mind is left behind; just your consciousness, as individuality, is still there.
To go beyond enlightenment is to go beyond individuality and to become universal. This way, each individual will go on moving into nothingness. And one day, the whole existence moves into nothingness and a great peace, a great night, a deep, dark womb, a great awaiting for the dawn…. And it has been happening always, and each time you are always born on a higher level of consciousness.
Enlightenment is the goal of human beings. But those who are enlightened cannot remain static; they will have to move, they will have to change. And now they have only one thing to lose—themselves.
They have enjoyed everything. They have enjoyed the purity of individuality; now they have to enjoy the disappearing of individuality. They have seen the beauty of individuality; now they have to see the disappearance and its beauty, and the silence that follows, that abysmal serenity that follows.
-Osho
From his book, Beyond Enlightenment, Chapter One
I remember reading this and wondering if he said this because he was surrounded by hordes who believed they were enlightened, so he just, apparently, raised the bar, as a way of telling them they weren’t.
Arps, I think you`ve a point there.
“Beyond enlightenment” was probably an even bigger cosmic carrot he pulled out of his bag for the donkeys who had been nibbling at ‘enlightenment’ for too long already.
I have occasionally wondered, Frank, if enlightenment happens when we know it’s only an idea.
Perhaps it isn’t though – after all, nothing (except Shantam’s same old same old, tired old propaganda) ever stays exactly the same in life, so why shouldn’t the state of ‘enlightenment’ also move on, mutate or evolve, as it were, into something even finer, into ‘no-thing’ even?! Why should consciousness necessarily be limited?
And even more important: Can Leicester City win the title?
Satyadeva, when you expect your Enlightenment?
Is this the purpose of life to read Berry very Long, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Osho or Eckhart Tolle?
I think you know more than anybody else all the theory. Question is, when you invite people for your Satsang than becoming a crowd for others.
MOD: Shantam, PLEASE CLARIFY THE QUESTION (LAST PARAG).
Not exactly sure at the moment, Shanty…
The latest intimations from the Deep Unconscious are that it’ll either be if or when Leicester City win the league – or Dunfermline win Scottish League One and I collect £458 from the bookies. Probably the former, as the latter’s been a nailed-on certainty for a long time (you know, rather like Lord Jesus).
Mind you, if Arsenal win the title (now only a remote possibility) I reckon I’ll be fast-tracked straight into that Blessed State, ‘Beyond Enlightenment’, no problem….
MOD: bookies = UK SLANG FOR bookmakers (betting companies)
It was a bit of sarcasm, as I presume SD is one of those who flirts with many self-declared awakened people.
MOD: Shantam, OK, BUT when you invite people for your Satsang than becoming a crowd for others DOESN’T MAKE SENSE. IS IT A QUESTION? SHOULD than BE then? WHAT DOES becoming a crowd for others MEAN?
You and your presumptions, Shantam…
It so happens you’re barking up the wrong tree, but even if it were true, so what?
You’re not exactly a shining example of the desirability or superiority of any ‘one guru for ever and ever’ philosophy. As almost everything you write here is flawed, often simply stupid.
So, remaining, ostensibly anyway, with Osho all these years doesn’t exactly appear to have enhanced your intelligence. Quite the reverse, in fact.
(Now, remember what I said about ‘enraging’ comments?).
The only possible response to both paragraphs is hmm!!
Plus…
1st parag:
Interesting notion. I see where you’re kicking the ball.
I recall Osho remarking that Meditation in the early days of Zen was the bullock-cart of the practice, and his approach, because of psychotherapy and his methods, the Rolls Royce (well, he would say that, wouldn’t he?). But I repeat this because that seems to me to fit with your musings.
Osho gave the talk about ‘Beyond Enlightenment’. So it is a biggest breakthrough story in the world of spirituality.
Question to ponder for disciples is:
Has Osho instructed His disciples, “From now onwards, you don´t celebrate my Enlightenment Day, but the day I went beyond”?
People who are reading the book ‘Beyond Enlightenment’, please find a single sentence like this.
I cannot say Jesus was participating in Easter festivities but I have seen Osho being part and parcel of His Enlightenment Day celebrations till his last years.
Shantam,
You forget Osho’s span as a teacher. The Enlightenment Day celebrations began in Bombay in 1971. His Ministry began in 1963. What happened before that? There were no such celebration days; in fact, as far as my research goes Osho did not really start talking about enlightenment until westerners arrived!
You also forget Laxmi wanted such celebrations as they were exceptional money-raisers, and remained so, including during the Ranch period. Without them the early publishing ventures would have had no funds to help them get along.
So if, as you sometimes claim, the present regime in the Resort is just after money, why don’t they do the celebrations? Now stick to the question please, Swamiji!!
About this issue I have just uploaded a video on my facebook wall, discussing a little bit of genesis of Osho Commune to Osho Resort.
The idea was that the change will bring more business travellers into the compound. This idea backfired. I was telling back then in 2005 too that you guys have no idea about human psychology.
No business traveller is stupid enough to waste his time and money into the facilities of a cult. People have not just ego but pride too. No dignified, secular-minded person ever gets attracted to the cults and sects.
My psychological understanding is the same: once someone becomes disciple, distance and barriers and defence mechanism falls and fails. Disciples live in a different paradigm. By destroying the presence of disciples, Jayesh and butchers have killed the hens who were giving golden eggs.
“you guys have no idea about human psychology…My psychological understanding is the same…”
Amazing what reading the Introduction to ‘Psychology for Beginners’ can do for a dyed-in-the-wool, pre-Freudian sceptic like Shantam…
Now then, Shanty-Pants, remember well, ‘a little learning is a dangerous thing’ – very much so, in your case!
He already talked about that stuff back in the 70s, man. He already gave that ‘going beyond the individual, going beyond experience’ rap.
Beyond enlightenment was just a tall story. Designed to push his people, any meditators, beyond any initial breakthroughs and not to get stuck in any state.
‘Beyond the beyond the beyond’.
Your comment here, SS, may betray your wish for ‘enlightenment’ to still be some kind of utterly superior state. Not a view I share!
But wanting to remain on topic…
I am sure all the celebration days were inventions of Laxmi and others to bring in the shekels, and Osho was very unlikely to refuse participation as he knew the spreading of his work depended on it being financed.
My own experience of celebrations was negative. I hated the crowds and thought underneath it all Osho was somewhat bored.
“Utterly superior state”, no. Total freedom from the mind, perhaps. But this freedom can never be total if the enlightened one still has a body-mind to drag around, and a body-mind, in itsvery nature, cannot be perfect.
Actually, I think the problem may be that people often expect the enlightened guru to be ‘superior’ or in a ‘perfected’ state, and the guru can also be a little deluded, just on a purely mental level, if they believe that they are knowing the answers to everything.
The Beedie-baba said “Nirvana means extinction”. But he also once said when asked if there is any ‘I’ left for the jnani, yes, there is still a small I, a small ego, yet the difference is that the focus remains most of the time on the Brahman, or the Absolute.
Naturally, the enlightened one still has a body-mind, and may have some rubbish in the bio-computer, the mind that is left over. These enlightened ones may be better off remaining silent, and trying to make gestures towards the ultimate freedom, or writing on a chalkboard, like Meher Baba.
I have not read the article yet. ‘Beyond enlightenment’? First off, chasing enlightenment then on to beyond enlightenment. The apparently highest religions are the ones that produce the greatest abstraction about God, enlightenment etc. We are told that one cannot understand enlightenment until one is actually enlightened.
I presume none of the bloggers or readers at SN are not delusional enough to proclaim themselves enlightened, so why bother with beyond enlightenment if nobody is enlightened? If concerned with such matters I suggest you find something more productive, creative to do with one’s time.
Mind you, it is none of my business and therefore entirely up to you. Me? I just finished painting a bathroom. I am now moving beyond the paintbrush and will eventually move beyond a cup of coffee. That is enough to be going on with.
Beyond enlightenment! Whatever next?
In late 1991, some 18 months after Osho died, a friend of mine was in Marin, California. He reported:
“Two sannyasins came back from Papaji and have declared themselves enlightened. Devaprem and Haridevi.”
This was also reported in Viha Connection. During the next months there was a major exodus of folk to Lucknow, where Papaji presided.
Devaprem gave daily satsangs at the time. And oddly enough, many of those who went also started calling themselves enlightened!
Dhanyam (the Editor of Viha Connection magazine) printed some criticism of this epidemic and Devaprem’s satsangs, and ended up being banned from them!
I wonder what Devaprem or Haridevi do now and how they feel about that period, and in fact all those who claimed that Papaji “popped” them off.
For me, at that time and ever since, I have seen enlightenment as a joke. Are there any reports from that Muslim Hall down by the burning ghats, Shantam, and of the enlightenment celebration going on there?! Just curious!
PM, speaking from experience, sitting with Papaji it was relatively easy to enter a no-mind state, for want of a better expression. Words always fall short when it comes to this particular realm of human experience. Suddenly the chattering mind fell silent and one could just be in a space of emptiness while being aware. It was beautiful, peaceful and one lived with a tangible sense that everything in life was perfect as it is.
When I left Lucknow I did so with the feeling my time there was complete and there existed no reason to return there. The sense that everything was absolutely just as it should be stayed with me for some weeks. Life went on and having to deal with one thing and another the powerful sense that everything was perfect slowly faded…albeit not all together.
Meanwhile, quite a few people I knew who had met H.W.L. Poonja began giving satsangs etc. Why not? Some people need to live the teacher role out, as do those in the role of students. If you ask me, it is a better way to spend one’s time than many other human activities. At least people are meditating.
From what I know of Papaji he would simply have had a good laugh about it all, knowing that ultimately it’s all good.
From my extremely limited (and all totally borrowed, of course) understanding, there are many ‘realisations’ that some people tend to term ‘enlightenment’, but ‘real deal’ climacterics, amounting to the most profound levels of ‘emotional and psychological death’ are still few and far between. Perhaps H.W,L. Punja (and other teachers?) didn’t make this clear enough to their disciples/students?
And in any case, such realisations have to be lived out in the course of an ongoing everyday life in order to be made more ‘real’, as it were, to mature. Moreover, the greater the realisation, the greater the challenges bound to come the way of the individual concerned, whose ‘enlightenment’ has to be tested by all sorts of circumstances.
I suppose setting oneself up as a spiritual teacher is one pretty good way of inviting such a process, and I wonder how many of those early satsang-givers are still plying that trade and how many eventually realised they still had a rather long way to go….
The thing about the style of advaita teaching used by Pappaji, Ramesh, Beedie baba and co. is that they are using words to try and trigger the glimpse or the gap in the mind of the people around them.
But for this method it isn`t useful to talk about different `stages` because that brings the mind back into duality.
SS says, “they are using words to try and trigger the glimpse or the gap in the mind of the people around them.”
The same could be said of Osho, because he spoke more than all the men mentioned combined.
Thing is, if you actually met Osho, or for that matter, Poonjaji, you will know it runs a lot deeper than words could ever say.
Osho spoke a lot, a hell of lot, six hundred books worth, but he didn`t speak in the style of the advaitins mentioned.
He just banged on about all different kinds of stuff, whereas the guys mentioned above concentrated solely on popping you out of your head.
And you presume wrongly that I never met Osho. Poonjaji I never met, but I’ve seen enough of his bald head around the place and heard enough reports to get the picture.
SS, I did not presume anything, wrongly or rightly. You did.
If you return to what I said, in an open state of mind, you will realize this.
I find that listening to satsang junkies going on about the big highs they`ve had and old seekers going on about enlightened geezers they`ve knocked about with is like getting stuck in the pub with an old bloke banging on about the birds he shagged and the drugs he took in his younger days.
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Lokesh is right, better find something else more creative to do with life.
Yes, Frank, right now I am producing music and very passionate about it. So inspiring and uplifting to create something beautiful out of nothing. A never-ending learning process. That is life, man.
Too right.
I`m just off down the pub for a couple of pints of barley wine and to try my luck with the new barmaid.
Frank,
Don’t you mean “a couple of pints of barley wine” or “to try my luck with the new barmaid”?
Here, Frank.
Try one of these.
This will sort you out.
In Indian yoga, the `no-mind` state is mapped as the ‘fifth body’, that corresponds to the fifth chakra, or throat chakra, Vishuddha.
“That is the problem with Indian yogis. They find it difficult to cross the fifth because they are method-enchanted, method-hypnotized. They have always worked with method. There has been a clear-cut science up to the fifth and they progressed with ease. It was an effort – and they could do it! No matter how much intensity was needed, it was no problem to them. No matter how much effort, they could supply it. But now in the fifth, they have to cross from the realm of method to no-method. Now they are at a loss. They sit down, they stop. And for so many seekers, the fifth becomes the end.
That is why there is talk of five bodies, not seven. Those who have gone only to the fifth think that it is the end. It is not the end; it is a new beginning. Now one must move from the individual to the non-individual. Zen, or methods like Zen, done effortlessly, can be helpful.
From the sixth to the seventh, there is not even no-method. Method is lost in the fifth, and no-method is lost in the sixth. One day you simply find that you are in the seventh. Even the Cosmos has gone; only nothingness is. It just happens. It is a happening from the sixth to the seventh. Uncaused, unknown.
Only when it is uncaused does it become discontinuous with what went before. If it is caused then there is a continuity and the being cannot be lost, even in the seventh. The seventh is total nonbeing: nirvana, emptiness, non-existence.”
(Osho – ‘The Psychology of the Esoteric’)
SS, I find nothing whatsoever inspiring about this Osho quote. On another morning he would have debunked the whole carry-on as mind-fuck, no matter that it all might be based in some kind of reality. ‘Spring comes and the grass grows by itself’ was much more his forte.
Parmartha, in regards to your posting:
Devaprem has dropped his enlightenment and returned to Germany, where he is a teacher. He is with Jesus.
As far as I know, his enlightened disciples have dropped their enlightenment. Haridevi dropped out many years ago and became a channel for the Pleiades or something like that.
There was a vacuum for a while that Kalindi filled. She died years ago. Osho Viha is still present and available after 30 years.
Thanks for the best chuckle I’ve had today, Dhanyam!
Dhanyam has written, “Devaprem has dropped his enlightenment and returned to Germany, where he is a teacher. He is with Jesus.”
Dear Dhanyam, can you please let me know the address of Jesus? I also live in Germany and would like to visit Jesus. If someone is with Jesus then Jesus must be somewhere, or…!
Thanks, Lokesh, and especially Dhanyam, for his comments.
I never met Papaji but have met many who sat with him and seen his vids, etc. at the time.
I had the feeling he saw the joke in everything. Andrew Cohen, who said he was ‘popped off’ by Papaji, never saw the joke in everything, at least in so far as the satsangs I attended of his, though he definitely wanted to teach, and one can give him credit for actually dong it!
I think that SD makes a good comment about one thing. That is that teachers of such traditions really need to be absolutely transparent about altered states of all kinds that can happen around someone who has become a black hole. And such states can be mislabelled and misunderstood.
I myself remember a whole range of people coming back to London from Papaji, though not wanting to teach, but felt they had ‘got it’.
Maybe Papaji was naughty, one might say, cos he encouraged many to teach, when he must have known that they were still very much in their egos.
PM says, “I myself remember a whole range of people coming back to London from Papaji, though not wanting to teach, but felt they had ‘got it’.
The same could be said in regards Osho. Looking back to orange robe and mala days, I was so full of myself in the sense that I too thought I had got it…well, partly true, I did get herpes, like everyone else.
Andrew Cohen was forced out of business by his own people who exposed him en masse as an abusive power-tripper. Check the story for yourself.
If you sat through his satsangs and thought he had `got it` then you are a mug. There`s no polite way of saying it.
You know how voodoo only works on people who believe in voodoo? Same with enlightenment.
Your own desire trips you up.
Going around looking for the next enlightened guy is like walking around a gay bar with a hole punched open in the back of your trousers.
You are definitely going to ‘get it’!
Flippin ‘eck, Frank.
Is there anything you haven’t had a go at?
Maybe it’s a Jewish thing.
Definitely.
With his overbearing Jewish mother writing a book slagging him off it was certainly the ultimate New Age version of:
“He`s not the Messiah, he`s a very naughty boy!”
Once a year, Frank, always in February, I go for a meeting here in Munich, you can call it
a ´Pow Wow’ of very different people, who are deeply concerned about the cruelity of all kind of war issues.
I always look forward to meet a very remarkable woman of a small Japanese Buddhist sect.
This very year, she shared with all of us the following:
“Somebody, being totally absorbed with – and attached to – aversion, anger, rage, is one who himself is drinking poison in (the futile) hope that somebody else is dying from it.”
I found that a very convincing statement.
Madhu
Madhu,
Good for you.
I hope you have some success putting it into practice.
Yes, Frank, I am practising every day; not the least while continuing to respond in this UK SN Chat, when being judged by people who don´t know me personally and probably would avoid contact (if that would be possible).
The reason I mentioned this woman was that her approach to´forgiveness´ was neither unbearingly romantic nor a kind of religious priesthood kind of blackmail, and the latter is so often the case.
Sucess? Well, I don´t know.
I just came to know that such understanding is creating space for life energy, which loves to express while on the other hand, life energy is shrinking when being shut down – for example, by contempt of others or heavy ironical or even sadistic approaches.
So it’s a very practical ‘device’ and has nothing to do with a ´preacher man’ – or woman.
Btw, I could even imagine you would have liked her being her statement…few weeks ago…
Madhu
Some poetry in service of the miraculous of extraordinary-ordinariness of life…
“In the past, in the days of THE UPANISHADS, those mystery schools that existed in India were called gurukula. A significant word – it means ‘the family of the master’. It is not an ordinary school, a college or a university. It is not a question of just learning; it is a question of being in love. You are not supposed to be in love with your university teacher.
But in a gurukula where THE UPANISHADS flowered, it was a family of love. The question of learning was secondary, the question of being was important. How much you know is not the point; how much you are is the point. And the master is not interested in feeding your bio-computer, the mind. He is not going to increase your memory because that is of no use. That can be done by a machine, and the machine can do it better than you….”
Osho, 16 August 1986, 7.30 pm
P.S:
German Gunnakar was there, whom I know personally.
And same talk Osho is speaking on ´unenlightened’ enlightemments, switching on and off and again and again….
It`s from the Osho Upanishad, isn`t it? Another series of discourses in Bombay.
I was also reading that one recently. Gunnakar thought that he was enlightened when he went to Germany, but whenever he came back to see Osho he would lose it again. But he recognised this.
A series of 3, Shanti:
Osho Upanishad. Beyond Enlightemment and Sermons in Stones.
One book really. A cross between discourse and darshan diary. (The audience was small. Same as the discourses given in Uruguay and Nepal).
Who knows, Enlightenment is like G-Spot. One can call it E-Spot!
Those who claim to have it should be daring enough to go through brain mapping and scanning. I am sure, only then angels will shower the flowers.
Enlightened, unenlightened and beyond enlightenment… can lead to a sort of divisive consciousness.
I prefer to take the view that we are all human beings, and all are capable of mistakes, and also of putting them right.
Those who are so confident or self- ighteous in their certainty that they “know” are guilty of fanaticism, whether in religion or politics, and this is the greatest danger in human beings. In that way such people basically ‘exclude’ themselves from being human.
If you think about it, everyone comes to Sannyas from a culture of being trained by threats of punishment, promise of reward, and ‘Enlightenment’ is the ultimate reward for making an effort and doing well.
A great big giant carrot.
I never think about enlightenment any more, unless the notion is mentioned here; but in retrospect I saw enlightenment as a way of escape from how life was, a place where I couldn’t be touched any more by the vagaries of human life. and as I have come to take the vagaries of living in my stride I’m just not looking for a way out anymore.
Enlightenment was certainly never any part of why I got into it, it was simply down to a mixture of body-mind well-being, never having felt better in my life, thanks to dynamic meditation (etc.), which was more than just a ‘new beginning’, it was a sort of ‘rebirth’, that I wanted to continue (foolishly, in retrospect), imagining the rest of my life would be similar, plus enjoying Bhagwan’s recorded talks and one or two books, finding them inspirational and just ‘right’.
Dynamic, or after-dynamic, is amazing indeed.
The absurd red-bottomed baboons again spout their worthless opinions of pure spiritual ignorance from their egos and their minds which are nothing but mind!
As the mighty sages of the Upanishads said: “The mind of a baboon will remain the mind of a baboon even if he starts to speak about enlightenment!”
Enlightenment exists, and for millenia the sages of mighty East have done everything neccesary to achieve it whilst white-skinned baboons like those here on Sannyasnews were simply mind-fucking, philosophising and psycho-analising each other, glorifying homosexuality, spouting liberal-lefty nonsense, allowing women out of the kitchen in depraved clothing and bringing about Kali yuga!
Parmartha speaks nonsense!
There is no question of divisiveness!
Either you are enlightened or you are not!
And those who remain egotistically attached to their egos and deny the existence of enlightenment simply remain in the mud of excrement, whilst those blessed ones such as myself, Swami Bhorat and Swami Bodhi Heeren float past completely above it all, like lotuses!
Yahoo!
Hari Om!